Rioting and looting because the President is out of touch with the people, says Moyano
Argentine dissident organized labour leader Hugo Moyano claimed on Friday that President Cristina Fernandez is out of touch with the people and “the lackeys she has are scared of her and can only say stupid things”. Moyano’s strong words followed accusations by the government that he was behind the extended rioting and looting that hit several Argentine cities on Thursday and Friday.
“I think the president is out of touch. She sends these blokes to say a lot of stupid and idiotic things. The government can’t pretend to be serious with these lackeys”, underlined Moyano without naming any official but in direct reference to cabinet chief Juan Manuel Abal Medina and Security Secretary Sergio Berni whom he described as a “devalued Rambo”.
The teamsters boss said that the government’s officials were a pack of ‘bigmouths’ that can only repeat stupidities and this is because “the government has no answers, no replies so it then tries to play the role of the victim and accuses the workers”
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“These officials are acting as in the time of military dictatorships. They accuse whoever they please and invite people to come and bash us. They are provoking people into violence, when in reality teamsters are victims because many of our lads had their cargoes stolen and were also beaten”, insisted Moyano.
The teamsters’ leader pledged that “these gentlemen will have to repeat what they are saying before court. They are constantly accusing and disqualifying the workers and the official media are scaring the people to make them think that we who represent workers are responsible for what is going on”.
“The Government created the conditions for the lootings, not workers” underlined Moyano.
Earlier on Friday Cabinet Chief Abal Medina said that the supermarket lootings and widespread violence in several cities across Argentina were linked to anti-government union leaders Hugo Moyano, Pablo Micheli and Luis Barrionuevo.
“In Campana, there is someone linked to the Teamsters union” stressed the cabinet chief during a ceremony at the Government House. “Violent people do not rest and seek to keep on putting a spoke in the wheel,” he added.
Berni in Bariloche, (where the looting started on Thursday) with 400 Border Guards patrolling the Patagonian resort said that the looting was ‘organized’ and ‘respond to political issues’, and then linked them directly to the dissident unions and their leaders such as Moyano and Pablo Micheli.
“They are isolated incidents clearly organized which attempt to distort social peace, and spoil the great moment Argentina is living” said Abal Medina who added “nobody was after food: they were after plasma TVs, LCD, electrical appliances and drinks”.
Asked to be specific about those responsible for organizing the incidents that spread to several provinces and major cities such as Rosario and metropolitan Buenos Aires, Abal Medina said that “the government of Neuquen pointed out to dissident groups from unions and other governors told us they had seen sectors linked to teamsters and the gastronomic union in the incidents”.
“We’re talking of people who clearly have political intentions”, affirmed Abal Medina.
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Moyano ! say sane things ..lets lísten you. !
But what she needs to do is to assemble her cabinet and start some real soul-searching into why things are going so wrong.
Great keep it up.
forbid the unions and throw mojano and medina into jail due to majesty insult!
what they said is what I say since years: the government is a silly, stupid, criminal gang of liars, ignoring the rights of people, only looking to keep their personal profits.
they completely know that they are at the end with their politic. the “model” is scrap because it cannot be paid any longer. they tell the ´poor´ lies regarding their increase of income. the inflation everything gobbles up again.
It doesn't take much with modern networking for something localised to become a national incident. Though it does take people willing to break the law to do it.
It strikes me as ludacris that the Rg posters on this board talk about Democracy like they have ever experienced it. Their minds are warped, brainwashed, clueless. It is frightening how stupid a whole country can get over a couple generations.
I wonder how many Northern tourists have opted to go to Uruguay or Chile rather than the rat hole of Argentina this season?
In Argentina they have “Asphalt Pirates” which are gangs of thugs who take over a bus or truck and rob it or steal it. It happened last night on along distance bus, 100s of people robbed on the highway.
So dangerous and scary...
most people cannot afford the daily food basket, i would loot too if it meant feeding my family, but hey as long as Crustina and her minions have a nice christmas thats all that matters.
Argentina you voted for her now suck it up!
Quicker this woman goes and joins her dead husband the better,AND YOU ARGENTINES KNOW IT ALSO.
Anyone have any info on this?
How do they get away with this kind of malarkey?
Hopefully soon they'll all be in jail
Especially since this may turn out to be a marginal year for crops when they desperately need a spectacular year to pay for heat next year.
The votex is starting to spin faster.
www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2012/12/22/fiebre-compras-navidad-687259.asp
And it's still not even “Noche de compras”, which is the night before Nochebuena, and the malls stay open 24 hour through the night, their biggest day of the year.
It shows how well diversified and robust the Mendoza economy is. And winning prizes all over the world in wine, medical research, tourism, and energy industrial manufacturing.
And no looting, no mass shootings... just peace and happiness, as the Harvest County fair season has begun. Mendoza is the only province in Latin America where each departamento (county), has its own party and county fair... choosing their “queen” for the Vendimia festival. And it goes on all summer long ending in the Bacchanal main event when there are wine tastings everywhere and wine flows through the streets, literally.
www.losandes.com.ar/vendimia/rocio-benegas-reina-godoy-cruz-687274.asp
Who knows, if she and her lackeys keep on dragging the country down she may meet a nasty end, just like the other president (who also tried to escape by helicopter - Caucescu in Rumania in December 1989.
Unfortunately, I believe that she has created an attitude of entitlement. People do not have to work but can ransack the supermarkets etc.
What chance is there of the military staging a coup as they used to do when they disagreed with the politicians?
Merry Christmas my friend may you rot in the land you call Argentina that resembles HELL.
I'm most certain that you are habituated by now to the feeling of eternal recession in the UK (five years non-stop of declivity knowing no end), but that shouldn't push you over the proverbial mental chasm.
You need to calm down your runaway disquietude my rebarbative lout, and inhale deeply before you perform an auto-noyade under your farcical, discursive, prolix fibs. And by the way, you are such a charming, affable nudnik aren't you know.
Have fun wherever you reside, I am certain that everyone there is just as saturnine as you are. Must be the jolliest place in England.
Almost 500 people have been arrested from yesterday's chaos.
Is Maxi still in the country?
Crissy still heavily sedated?
Toby you should buy as many hard goods while you can before the devaluation happens. Maybe that is why the malls are so full?
One thing that struck me as odd when I first moved to Argentina is that people walk around with shopping bags even though they have not bought anything, They usually have old items in there or nothing at all. andif you look really close you can tell the bags are old.
It's a strange strange place
perhaps you need to read the following also
Eurozone recession means UK fastest growing major economy in Europe in 2013 and 2014
Eurozone to remain in recession in 2013 and ‘only marginal growth’ in 2014
A distinctly worse Eurozone outlook is likely, according to the latest global forecasts by Cebr, the
economics consultancy.
The think tank now forecasts that the Eurozone recession will continue through 2013 and only
marginal growth is likely for 2014.
Although UK growth is likely to be held back by the weakness in its Continental trading partners,
UK GDP growth for 2013 and 2014 is likely to be faster in each year than in any of the major
European economies.
In its new quarterly edition of Global Prospects, the think tank predicts sluggish growth at best for
the world economy for the next four years. Moreover, the outlook could well be worse than this –
the risk of disruption through Middle East political disputes or through a collapse in the Eurozone
would make prospects distinctly worse, at least in the short term.
The forecast growth for 2012 and 2013 for the world economy has been further revised down very
slightly since the last projections were made in August (see Table 2), although the forecast for
2014‐2016 remains on average the same.
If there are no unusual disruptions to supply in the Middle East, the price of oil is forecast to drop
by about $5 per barrel on average in 2013 and primary commodity prices by 8% because of the
weak world economy and its impact on demand.
The fastest growing economies are in the emerging markets. The eight main Sub‐Saharan African
economies are forecast to grow by 4.6% in 2013 and 5.1% in 2014; the Middle East by 3.3% in 2013
and 4.2% in 2014 and the ASEAN economies ar
Since they closed most of the “good” (USA/EU) branded stores what are people buying this year? No CK, Polo, Apple, LV, etc etc are you stuck buying poor quality but very expensive Argentinian made products?
Paying 6X more for 5 year old computer products
but dreaming of an iphone/ipad
probably
Merry Christmas
Enjoy it while you can
My bet is you'll be poorer next year than you are this year
The same people that get a mental brain-orgasm for having “479” facebook friends or 15000 votes in their Fotolog, but can't name out of all those “buddies” who is a real meat and bones close friend.
I'm sure if you were younger you would have 1000 facebook friends and be a Fotolog whore with 10.000 comments... I have no doubts you would have been a legendary Flogger, dancing your elecktro at the entrance of a mall or skate park wearing your bright orange skinnies.
Yet by 9pm they find themselves alone and then cut themselves... lol. Yankeeboy the flogger.
I think you are projecting your craziness onto others...
as usual
Did you think we were going to defend the murderous genocidal British Empire back then? Please.
Betwen english-speaking nazis and german-speaking nazis... well, you know what Argentina. We fed both the UK/France and Germany/Italy Our plan was to draw out your war as long as possible, so that you could utterly destroy yourselves. Then we would have moved in and bought your puny nations. We had by far the world's largest gold reserves back then. Easy purchase hahaha.
@7 You bring the likely truth, as usual.
@21 Mendoza seems to be a high spot apart, noone doubts that :)
The problem is the cycle is accelerating, now its every 10 years where you have a massive destruction of wealth so now it is from sibling to sibling where a family's wealth is destroyed.
The path is assured Devaluation/hyperinflation/generational depression.
& Can you alter a person's personality ?Can you guarantee total amnesia under any and all conditions ?
& Could you seize a subject and in the space of an hour post H-Hypnotic to some actions ?
& Can you devise a system for making unwilling subjects into willing agents and then transfer that control to untrained agency agents in the field by use of codes or identifying signs ?
Haven't you report me yet ?
and now look what she has gone and done,
but hey,
it wasnt her fault [was it] ?
All illegal aliens shoulder deported from Argentina,
[so you now really do believe in aliens then.? ]
. Argentine's around to help world love CFK???????
[ But they help her, is she not the best comedian in south America ??]
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and this looters should be sent to a prison in malvinas[don’t exist]
Argentina where they can get land and fishing rights
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So now you actively support criminals, and believe they should be rewarded,
Your logic is rather piratical astounding?
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I hear Antarctica is open land for rough Argentine people,
No,?????????
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#52 too bad for you, I still don't talk to homosexuals, retards, perverts, child molesters or stalkers.
#53 homosexuals should stick together no one really cares for them.
However back to the rioting, wonder why they feel the need to riot??
www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
#56 I agree 100% that we disagree and you are wrong, come visit Argentina no CIA or mi6 terrorist there. Only mossad agents setting bombs in Jewish buildings.
As for homosexuals, you are still fixated on them, but you are the self admitted bi-sexual. You must be at odds with yourself to use calling someone a homosexual to think it's an insult. While I am not a homosexual, I have no issues or concerns about them. I would certainly rather be called a homosexual than a peronist. You are really quite a pathetic piece of compiled DNA. If you are troubled by your quagmire of being a homosexual you should seek counsel. Canada has social medicine even for psychological disorders. What it comes down to alex, you are a sad, angry mind altered individual that is totally out of touch with the decent people of Argentina. It funny when to claim the Argentine's all around the world support kirchner and yet you do not realize why they are not in Argentina.
You have hit the nail on the head. I agree with you fully.
Unfortunately this is the case with most populist leaders around the globe
Read SI LLORO POR TI ARGENTINA which was supposedly written by Mario Vargas Llosa, the Peruvian Nobel Laureat. He asks the same questions as you and many more of us do.
Pirate Hunter writes an incredible amount of the brown stuff. He is completely around the bend with his fanatsies
www.falklandshistory.org/
Argentinians are guilty of being duped!
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
At #54 I stated that it was too bad for you that I don't talk to homosexuals, retards, perverts, child molesters or stalkers.
#61 fakland holdings ! Duped you ! really? We Argentines agree they are brits, no question about that, go home. Prove it.
#63 we can celebrate the fact that CFK delivered once again.
I have seen the photos of the damage that the electrical fire caused: total electrical system meltdown. I can only think that TMBOA has ordered it back coincidental with the sailing ship for a double whammy 'good for us' crap when it (if it) gets to port.
Woe betide the Captain if he is a day late or if it stops yet again.
“I don't talk to homosexuals, retards, perverts, child molesters or stalkers”
Well as a homosexual I will happily talk to a retard like you.
What a juveline and petty person you are. What is so funny is that you sabotage your own points by such careless and purile statements such as this.
Please continue with statements such as these because it just higlights the paucity of logic in the arguments you espouse. So while you can joyfully cry “that CFK delivered once again” because the ARA Libertad is on its way back, you can't say the same that she has delivered one of the highest inflation rates in the world as it continues towards 30%. Let's bundle that with growth that has pretty much stalled for the past 12 months.
Now let's include the protests and looting. Yes CFK is delivering it all.
You are so vacuous that you you fall the 'bread and circuses'. This ploy is so simple that the rest of the world is forever in awe that people like you fall for it.
The greatest part about all this is that you can't reply to me because I am a proudly open gay man and you don't talk to homosexuals. So not only can I beat you senseless on here with words (without breaking a sweat), I'd do the same face to face too.
Remember now, don't reply!
People like Pirat-Hunter are not even a challenge. People who think that calling someone a homosexual, faggot, poofter, joto, maticón etc is an insult are quite pathetic. I'm all those things and still more intelligent than Pirat-Hunter.
So let's see:
Attacking embassies - go ahead and attack. It will do two things. Highlight that Argentina has a security problem and put Argentina in with a very select group of countries: Iran, Syria, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. Also government organised riots have a bad track record-not always controllable once started.
Nuclear weapons - hard to not laugh out loud. What would they pay with? And where would they source their uranium from? Need lots of US dollars for that? Not sure if Argentina has a spare $1 trillion US dollars laying around. Also hard to get uranium when you have eliminated imports.
As for autarky. Where do we start? North Korea is a great example.
So Pirat-Hunter isn't a challenge on any level. The fact he has to repeat the exact same thing ad nauseam on forum after forum in a vain attempt for it to even gain traction is telling.
But he can't reply to anything I say. After all he doesn't reply to homosexuals. LOL lucky me!
m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/14/newtown-shooting-gunman-kills-20-children
m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/24/afghan-military-police-shoots-adviser
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19607834
www.naharnet.com/stories/en/64950-iraq-attacks-kill-48-on-eve-of-u-s-pullout-anniversary#new-comment
And all people do on here is deflect
If Moyano is behind it, why? What does he gain? Worse if “foreign interests” are behind it, why again? Really Argentina isn't that important for foreign governments to be inciting looting. What do they have to gain? Argentina is becoming poorer and slipping down the ranks. There is more and easier money to be made in countries such as Peru, Colombia and Chile without punitive taxes and potential nationalisation.
Argentina is supposedly getting what it wants, to be ignored.
But if it is indeed foreign interests doing this; then people such as British_Kirchener are only highlighting further deficiencies in the Argentine state. How could any competent government allow such foreign influence to gain a foothold in FORTY different cities? All those police forces, the military and intelligence agencies missed someone mobilising THOUSANDS of Argentinean citizens.
Wow, what a sad reflection on the Argentinean government. What do they do all day while foreign agents and unions run around the country organising mob violence? And all to gain..... what exactly? Argentina isn't verging on anarchy. The government is not in danger of being toppled. There will probably be less inward investment, but then again less foreign investment and less imports is exactly what Argentina supposedly desires.
As for deflection, highlighting problems as crimes in the UK or USA doesn't change what is happening in Argentina. It doesn't discuss the reasons or consequences, it just tries to veer the conversation away from the subject. The recent shootings in the US have been discussed by everyone in the US and around the world - where are the discussions on the problems in Argentina? Oh that's right. Here!
Try it sometime.
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