Saturday, December 22nd 2012 - 08:15 UTC

Rioting and looting because the President is out of touch with the people, says Moyano

Argentine dissident organized labour leader Hugo Moyano claimed on Friday that President Cristina Fernandez is out of touch with the people and “the lackeys she has are scared of her and can only say stupid things”. Moyano’s strong words followed accusations by the government that he was behind the extended rioting and looting that hit several Argentine cities on Thursday and Friday.

Abal Medina from Government House blamed dissident unions

Moyano said the lackeys that surround the president can only say stupid and idiotic things

Berni insists that the lootings were clearly organized and had political intentions

“I think the president is out of touch. She sends these blokes to say a lot of stupid and idiotic things. The government can’t pretend to be serious with these lackeys”, underlined Moyano without naming any official but in direct reference to cabinet chief Juan Manuel Abal Medina and Security Secretary Sergio Berni whom he described as a “devalued Rambo”.   

The teamsters boss said that the government’s officials were a pack of ‘bigmouths’ that can only repeat stupidities and this is because “the government has no answers, no replies so it then tries to play the role of the victim and accuses the workers”

“These officials are acting as in the time of military dictatorships. They accuse whoever they please and invite people to come and bash us. They are provoking people into violence, when in reality teamsters are victims because many of our lads had their cargoes stolen and were also beaten”, insisted Moyano.

The teamsters’ leader pledged that “these gentlemen will have to repeat what they are saying before court. They are constantly accusing and disqualifying the workers and the official media are scaring the people to make them think that we who represent workers are responsible for what is going on”.

“The Government created the conditions for the lootings, not workers” underlined Moyano.

Earlier on Friday Cabinet Chief Abal Medina said that the supermarket lootings and widespread violence in several cities across Argentina were linked to anti-government union leaders Hugo Moyano, Pablo Micheli and Luis Barrionuevo.

“In Campana, there is someone linked to the Teamsters union” stressed the cabinet chief during a ceremony at the Government House. “Violent people do not rest and seek to keep on putting a spoke in the wheel,” he added.

Berni in Bariloche, (where the looting started on Thursday) with 400 Border Guards patrolling the Patagonian resort said that the looting was ‘organized’ and ‘respond to political issues’, and then linked them directly to the dissident unions and their leaders such as Moyano and Pablo Micheli.

“They are isolated incidents clearly organized which attempt to distort social peace, and spoil the great moment Argentina is living” said Abal Medina who added “nobody was after food: they were after plasma TVs, LCD, electrical appliances and drinks”.

Asked to be specific about those responsible for organizing the incidents that spread to several provinces and major cities such as Rosario and metropolitan Buenos Aires, Abal Medina said that “the government of Neuquen pointed out to dissident groups from unions and other governors told us they had seen sectors linked to teamsters and the gastronomic union in the incidents”.

“We’re talking of people who clearly have political intentions”, affirmed Abal Medina.

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1 Orbit (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:13 am Report abuse
The term “lackeys” invoked a strongly worded response from Mr Timerman: “Only last week I left a cabinet meeting to go to the toilet without putting my hand up. And yesterday I said 'No' to Cristina. Indeed she asked if I would be repeating my rebellious disloyal stunt of going to the toilet without asking permission and I told her 'No'. Quite firmly”.
2 TipsyThink (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:21 am Report abuse
Moyano says presidéñt says idíotic things.............

Moyano ! say sane things ..lets lísten you. !
3 JoseAngeldeMonterrey (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:59 am Report abuse
As usual, Cristina´s strategy is to blame others, the opposition, the labor union leadership, Clarin, the Judges, the Hedge Funds, the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere, you name it...

But what she needs to do is to assemble her cabinet and start some real soul-searching into why things are going so wrong.
4 Britworker (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:03 am Report abuse
Great news, keep it up Argentina, whilst you're fighting amongst yourselves and shooting each other, you are not bothering the Falklands.
Great keep it up.
5 willi1 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:18 am Report abuse
now ck has her reason to send her SA troops La Campora with her son at the peak.
forbid the unions and throw mojano and medina into jail due to majesty insult!
what they said is what I say since years: the government is a silly, stupid, criminal gang of liars, ignoring the rights of people, only looking to keep their personal profits.
they completely know that they are at the end with their politic. the “model” is scrap because it cannot be paid any longer. they tell the ´poor´ lies regarding their increase of income. the inflation everything gobbles up again.
6 ptolemy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:42 am Report abuse
Hey, where's Stevie? This is his article.
7 ElaineB (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
Was it really organised or did an element in Bariloche start something that others saw as opportunist?

It doesn't take much with modern networking for something localised to become a national incident. Though it does take people willing to break the law to do it.
8 yankeeboy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
What does it say about a country where the people think the gov't organizes riots?

It strikes me as ludacris that the Rg posters on this board talk about Democracy like they have ever experienced it. Their minds are warped, brainwashed, clueless. It is frightening how stupid a whole country can get over a couple generations.

I wonder how many Northern tourists have opted to go to Uruguay or Chile rather than the rat hole of Argentina this season?

In Argentina they have “Asphalt Pirates” which are gangs of thugs who take over a bus or truck and rob it or steal it. It happened last night on along distance bus, 100s of people robbed on the highway.

So dangerous and scary...
9 Pirate Love (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
more reasons why i would not pay for a cruise/holiday to argentina far too dangerous due to the discontent with the self serving governement they have.

most people cannot afford the daily food basket, i would loot too if it meant feeding my family, but hey as long as Crustina and her minions have a nice christmas thats all that matters.

Argentina you voted for her now suck it up!
10 ptolemy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
Odd, I haven't heard the president come out and say anything. Maybe she thinks this is not important.
11 Pirate Love (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
@10 shes too busy creating her new illness for christmas sympathy.
12 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Expect any time now for old Crissy to dispactch old man Hector to New York to complain to The United Nations about the riots, also within hours expect Nazi Kirchner to appear dressed in black at a pre arranged mass rally calling for support of her Malvinas claims Argentine flags fluttering in the breeze.
Quicker this woman goes and joins her dead husband the better,AND YOU ARGENTINES KNOW IT ALSO.
13 redpoll (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
Anybody notice that while all this is going on that Cristina and her minions have expropriated La Rural where the national agricultural show is held in what looks like a direct reprisal for the farmers strike?
Anyone have any info on this?
14 yankeeboy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
The gov't is saying it wasn't really an expropriation, they're just backing out the sale FROM 20+ YRS AGO because at the time it was worth 60MM but they only sold it for 30MM.
How do they get away with this kind of malarkey?
Hopefully soon they'll all be in jail
15 redpoll (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
Another Repsol?
16 yankeeboy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
Seems to be, there will be more and more expropriations of the “enemies” of the state. I imagine the “unproductive” farms are the next target.

Especially since this may turn out to be a marginal year for crops when they desperately need a spectacular year to pay for heat next year.
17 redpoll (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
Yes,its an unsettling precedent for the expropriation of ANY private property though no duobt any assets belonging to you know who in Calafate would of course be excepted
18 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
To try and compare, the USA can take land as well, though I am unaware of the USA ever taking an entire business entity. We call land appropriation “Eminent Domain”. However, it has to be because of a project of public good, like a roadway, power plant etc. And they have to compensate for fair market value and any loses current and future. Apparently in argentina they just say....“let's take that”.
The votex is starting to spin faster.
19 redpoll (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:37 pm Report abuse
Yes Poppy thats how its done in most countries. Anything else is just state looting
20 Gordo1 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
Send la Cretina to Queen Elizabeth Land in BRITISH Antartica!
21 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
The malls in Mendoza are friekin PACKED!! And there's like twice the retail space than even two years ago!

And it's still not even “Noche de compras”, which is the night before Nochebuena, and the malls stay open 24 hour through the night, their biggest day of the year.

It shows how well diversified and robust the Mendoza economy is. And winning prizes all over the world in wine, medical research, tourism, and energy industrial manufacturing.

And no looting, no mass shootings... just peace and happiness, as the Harvest County fair season has begun. Mendoza is the only province in Latin America where each departamento (county), has its own party and county fair... choosing their “queen” for the Vendimia festival. And it goes on all summer long ending in the Bacchanal main event when there are wine tastings everywhere and wine flows through the streets, literally.
22 Ozgood (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
Captain Poppy, you may well be correct. The botox queen has sown the wind and now she will reap the whirlwind. It's a possibility that she may soon depart from the roof of the Casa Rosad by helicopter just like de la Rua did in 2001.

Who knows, if she and her lackeys keep on dragging the country down she may meet a nasty end, just like the other president (who also tried to escape by helicopter - Caucescu in Rumania in December 1989.

Unfortunately, I believe that she has created an attitude of entitlement. People do not have to work but can ransack the supermarkets etc.

What chance is there of the military staging a coup as they used to do when they disagreed with the politicians?
23 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 3rd Well my friend I see your out talking bollocks as usual just a picture of Christmas weekend here the shops are full of luxury food and gifts the cash registers are ringing away people are certainly spending money and preparing for a very merry and peaceful Christmas,same on our Falkland Islands,it's seems just Argentina in disaray this Christmas with hyper inflation looting people begging in the streets for food,arse paper $2 per roll-life can only get better my friend but do not forget your dear leader the botox chemically henanced queen crissy kirchner and her obese son Maximo will be sitting pretty this Christmas while the rest of you suffer in shit.
Merry Christmas my friend may you rot in the land you call Argentina that resembles HELL.
24 redpoll (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
Ozgood: No the carapintadas are long discredited and rightly so. No; the putsch will come from her own Sturmtruppen the Campora et al when they get fed up with her
25 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:22 pm Report abuse

I'm most certain that you are habituated by now to the feeling of eternal recession in the UK (five years non-stop of declivity knowing no end), but that shouldn't push you over the proverbial mental chasm.

You need to calm down your runaway disquietude my rebarbative lout, and inhale deeply before you perform an auto-noyade under your farcical, discursive, prolix fibs. And by the way, you are such a charming, affable nudnik aren't you know.

Have fun wherever you reside, I am certain that everyone there is just as saturnine as you are. Must be the jolliest place in England.
26 yankeeboy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
21. This post is the very definition of grasping at straws.

Almost 500 people have been arrested from yesterday's chaos.

Is Maxi still in the country?

Crissy still heavily sedated?

Toby you should buy as many hard goods while you can before the devaluation happens. Maybe that is why the malls are so full?

One thing that struck me as odd when I first moved to Argentina is that people walk around with shopping bags even though they have not bought anything, They usually have old items in there or nothing at all. andif you look really close you can tell the bags are old.

It's a strange strange place
27 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
As you might understand, your crude and apocryphal bunkum does not deserve or vouchsafe even a curt reply.
28 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 3rd You need to get a grip with reality you baboon your supporting a lost cause we have been telling you for months but sounds like crissy must be paying you to stay faithful while normality collapses around you.
perhaps you need to read the following also

Eurozone recession means UK fastest growing major economy in Europe in 2013 and 2014

Eurozone to remain in recession in 2013 and ‘only marginal growth’ in 2014

A distinctly worse Eurozone outlook is likely, according to the latest global forecasts by Cebr, the
economics consultancy.
The think tank now forecasts that the Eurozone recession will continue through 2013 and only
marginal growth is likely for 2014.
Although UK growth is likely to be held back by the weakness in its Continental trading partners,
UK GDP growth for 2013 and 2014 is likely to be faster in each year than in any of the major
European economies.

In its new quarterly edition of Global Prospects, the think tank predicts sluggish growth at best for
the world economy for the next four years. Moreover, the outlook could well be worse than this –
the risk of disruption through Middle East political disputes or through a collapse in the Eurozone
would make prospects distinctly worse, at least in the short term.

The forecast growth for 2012 and 2013 for the world economy has been further revised down very
slightly since the last projections were made in August (see Table 2), although the forecast for
2014‐2016 remains on average the same.

If there are no unusual disruptions to supply in the Middle East, the price of oil is forecast to drop
by about $5 per barrel on average in 2013 and primary commodity prices by 8% because of the
weak world economy and its impact on demand.
The fastest growing economies are in the emerging markets. The eight main Sub‐Saharan African
economies are forecast to grow by 4.6% in 2013 and 5.1% in 2014; the Middle East by 3.3% in 2013
and 4.2% in 2014 and the ASEAN economies ar
29 yankeeboy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
27. And yet you did reply, how sweet.

Since they closed most of the “good” (USA/EU) branded stores what are people buying this year? No CK, Polo, Apple, LV, etc etc are you stuck buying poor quality but very expensive Argentinian made products?
Paying 6X more for 5 year old computer products
but dreaming of an iphone/ipad
Merry Christmas
Enjoy it while you can
My bet is you'll be poorer next year than you are this year
30 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@yankeeboy While Crissy and Maximo get richer
31 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
I have never owned an iphone/ipad, I do not own fancy cellphones since I value my personal time studying in serene environments. Those are for losers who like to pretend they are popular by always chatting or texting on the thing. I see those people all the time if I take the bus or the metro, and it's the same all over the world and they are to the very last one all LOSERS.

The same people that get a mental brain-orgasm for having “479” facebook friends or 15000 votes in their Fotolog, but can't name out of all those “buddies” who is a real meat and bones close friend.

I'm sure if you were younger you would have 1000 facebook friends and be a Fotolog whore with 10.000 comments... I have no doubts you would have been a legendary Flogger, dancing your elecktro at the entrance of a mall or skate park wearing your bright orange skinnies.

Yet by 9pm they find themselves alone and then cut themselves... lol. Yankeeboy the flogger.
32 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
Nostolldamus the 3rd says “have never owned an iphone/ipad, I do not own fancy cellphones since I value my personal time studying in serene environments” Serene envirioments proves your not in Argieland no serene enviroments there my friend mass looting and killings going on The Brazilean President as just said South America must to get to grips with this woman meaning Kirchner because she is out of control,I always thought the Brazilean President did not care for her much bucher masculine looking counter part down south.
33 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
Don't stop on my account andy, keep making a fool of yourself and your entire country with your utterly mendacious drivel.
34 yankeeboy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
by 9pm they find themselves alone and then cut themselves...

I think you are projecting your craziness onto others...

as usual
35 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 3rd You are the biggest fool around the way you speak I enjoy pissing you of constantly LOL, in fact I feel sorry for you that you defend the un defendable I can just imagine you being a German in the 2nd world war when the allies marched into Germany and most Germans declared we did not know what the Nazis were doing-thats the type of person you come across as but your country as a long history with Sympaphy for that type haven't you,loooooser
36 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:52 pm Report abuse

Did you think we were going to defend the murderous genocidal British Empire back then? Please.

Betwen english-speaking nazis and german-speaking nazis... well, you know what Argentina. We fed both the UK/France and Germany/Italy Our plan was to draw out your war as long as possible, so that you could utterly destroy yourselves. Then we would have moved in and bought your puny nations. We had by far the world's largest gold reserves back then. Easy purchase hahaha.
37 Ayayay (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@1 lol
@7 You bring the likely truth, as usual.
@21 Mendoza seems to be a high spot apart, noone doubts that :)
38 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus The 3rd Shame you don't have all that gold today, instead of having the debt collector constantly rapping at the door perhaps Nazi Nestor might be able to help you all with the millions he stole from you
39 Nostrolldamus The 3rd (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
Countries rise and fall. At least for some 80 years 1870s-1950s we were one of the richest.
40 yankeeboy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
36. But the plan failed and since then even with all of that gold reserves and considered one of the richest countries in the world, you keep moving down the gdp and ppp chart, generation after generation getting poorer and poorer. Fastest move by any other country in the world!

The problem is the cycle is accelerating, now its every 10 years where you have a massive destruction of wealth so now it is from sibling to sibling where a family's wealth is destroyed.

The path is assured Devaluation/hyperinflation/generational depression.
41 LightThink (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
& Can you create by post H-Hypnotic control an action contrary to an individual' basic moral disciplines. ?

& Can you alter a person's personality ?Can you guarantee total amnesia under any and all conditions ?

& Could you seize a subject and in the space of an hour post H-Hypnotic to some actions ?

& Can you devise a system for making unwilling subjects into willing agents and then transfer that control to untrained agency agents in the field by use of codes or identifying signs ?
42 Stevie (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
Moyano may be right in a lot of what he says, but he did say that this was orchestrated by the goverment in order to victimize itself, I think it's not an accident that MP chooses to quote the whole speech leaving that particular part out.
43 Teaboy2 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
@39 Yeah and you fucked it up too, so hardly something to boast about or be proud off considering what Argentina could have been!
44 LightThink (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:52 pm Report abuse

Haven't you report me yet ?
45 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
and was it not these rouge argies that condemed the uk for its riots,

and now look what she has gone and done,

but hey,
it wasnt her fault [was it] ?
46 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
All illegal aliens shoulder deported from Argentina, starting with the brits and ending with the Chilean mapuches. Argentine's around to help world love CFK and this looters should be sent to a prison in malvinas Argentina where they can get land and fishing rights, I hear Antartica is open land for rough Argentine people like this looters.
47 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
46 Pirat-Hunter
All illegal aliens shoulder deported from Argentina,
[so you now really do believe in aliens then.? ]
. Argentine's around to help world love CFK???????
[ But they help her, is she not the best comedian in south America ??]
and this looters should be sent to a prison in malvinas[don’t exist]
Argentina where they can get land and fishing rights
So now you actively support criminals, and believe they should be rewarded,
Your logic is rather piratical astounding?
I hear Antarctica is open land for rough Argentine people,

48 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
We love CFK and demand she deports all this criminals to Antartica or Islas malvinas Argentina, as the brits did to populate Australia and other islands around the world we demand pari pasu for all or none. Not just a bias international law to protect just the white english people, we demand justice. We invite the protesters to come to UK and USA embassy in buenos Aires next for a von fire.
49 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
@Pirat-Hunter But you can't you don't have any boats to deport anyone and your beloved airline is bancrupt
50 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
#49 doesn't matter in Libya and Iraq the english hunt them down and executed terrorists, I think we should hunt this terrorists down before they set the US or british embassy in Bs. As. on fire.
51 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
But the terrorist are Maximo and Cristina and before that Nazi Nestor they stole all your money DID YOU NOT KNOW
52 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
It's comical how the piss hunter alex vargas promotes violence from the safety of his comfortable life in Canada. Now he is suggesting to start the US and UK embassies on fire. After Libyan murders pirate hunter, I think DHS takes a dim view of terrorist threats. Again I cut and pasted your posts and forwarded them to Homeland as your are suggesting a terrorist act again.
53 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
Well done Captain poppy we can not be to careful
54 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
#51 the protesters are really terrorists who will eventually hit the british and US embassy as they did in Iraq and Libya keep cheering them and they will soon go to the US and UK embassy to roost, Don't say I didn't warned you. Did you report CIA agent bin laden as well funny boy or is this all against everyone else who is not english??? All perverts and liars should be executed where they stand.
#52 too bad for you, I still don't talk to homosexuals, retards, perverts, child molesters or stalkers.
#53 homosexuals should stick together no one really cares for them.
55 aussie sunshine (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
A Nation like Argentina that could be RICH and WEALTHY is once again POOR. A NATION RUN BY MAGGOTS, A Nation that could risen above the rest with all the resources it has IS AGAIN POOR. And to see that an island small and with only a few thousand inhabitants which is THE FALKLANDS/MALVINAS is WEALTHY. Argentina needs a REVOLUTION to oust these corrupt individuals who are holding back Argentina.
56 Pirate Love (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
@50 another example of a well thought through comment, baseless accusations with a pinch of veiled threats, congratulations!

However back to the rioting, wonder why they feel the need to riot??
57 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 01:30 am Report abuse
#55 fakland holding don't pay taxes in Islas Malvinas Argentina while Argentine tax payers have to support IMF leaches, I think the revolution should start at the US and UK embassy, that's the only revolution I would support.
#56 I agree 100% that we disagree and you are wrong, come visit Argentina no CIA or mi6 terrorist there. Only mossad agents setting bombs in Jewish buildings.
58 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:24 am Report abuse
Go back to argentina to gain some credibility pirate hunter. You speak of no knowledge whatsoever of argentina. That slowdown in your PC is probably DHS logtap trojans. You are a very dumb individual to be threatening to burn down the US embassy like in Libya......are you planning on killing US Embassy personnel also pirate hunter?
As for homosexuals, you are still fixated on them, but you are the self admitted bi-sexual. You must be at odds with yourself to use calling someone a homosexual to think it's an insult. While I am not a homosexual, I have no issues or concerns about them. I would certainly rather be called a homosexual than a peronist. You are really quite a pathetic piece of compiled DNA. If you are troubled by your quagmire of being a homosexual you should seek counsel. Canada has social medicine even for psychological disorders. What it comes down to alex, you are a sad, angry mind altered individual that is totally out of touch with the decent people of Argentina. It funny when to claim the Argentine's all around the world support kirchner and yet you do not realize why they are not in Argentina.
59 Ozgood (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:30 am Report abuse
55 aussie sunshine (#)

You have hit the nail on the head. I agree with you fully.

Unfortunately this is the case with most populist leaders around the globe

Read SI LLORO POR TI ARGENTINA which was supposedly written by Mario Vargas Llosa, the Peruvian Nobel Laureat. He asks the same questions as you and many more of us do.

Pirate Hunter writes an incredible amount of the brown stuff. He is completely around the bend with his fanatsies
60 commonsparrow (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:44 am Report abuse
The speeches never give direct answers, the speeches are full of “I'm dismissing you.” Chip away, chip away until you are numb to the evil and cruelty of the learning curves.
61 Brit Bob (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
The president is out of touch with the people and successive Argentine governments have been telling lies about the history of the Falklands:

Argentinians are guilty of being duped!
62 ProRG_American (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
La Nacion and C5N have confirmed that ARA Espora has sailed from South Africa and is headed towards the Brazilian coast where it will join ARA Libertad to escort it into Mar Del Plata Naval base on January 9, 2013.
63 andy65 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
Just hope that old rust bucket Libertad makes it,can not for one minute see what there will be any celebrations for
64 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
Actually andy65 the Libertad is a fine sailing vessel, I've seen her ,been on her. However I agree that there is nothing to celebrate, though the peronist have no pride so they cannot be humiliated, only laughed at.
65 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
#58 come make me go home Nancy, if a racist british retard can dictate for Argentine's why not dictate to britards? If you can dish it out be man enough to take it. Your obsession with homosexuals is making you read more then I said.
At #54 I stated that it was too bad for you that I don't talk to homosexuals, retards, perverts, child molesters or stalkers.
#61 fakland holdings ! Duped you ! really? We Argentines agree they are brits, no question about that, go home. Prove it.
#63 we can celebrate the fact that CFK delivered once again.
66 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
piss hunter you speak so! As for making a coward of your magnitude go home, it would take a nuclear detonation to move you from Canada. You bleed yellow when cut, you call people names like a prepubesent. Retards, molesters, homosexuals, stalkers. You are beyond sad. The entire six weeks I am in Argentina I will be wondering why you are afraid of your own country. Perhaps you are the child molester running form Argentine justice.
67 ChrisR (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
The Espora should have taken up to six months to repair (makers estimate) but has sailed.

I have seen the photos of the damage that the electrical fire caused: total electrical system meltdown. I can only think that TMBOA has ordered it back coincidental with the sailing ship for a double whammy 'good for us' crap when it (if it) gets to port.

Woe betide the Captain if he is a day late or if it stops yet again.
68 Anglotino (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
@65 Pirat-Hunter
“I don't talk to homosexuals, retards, perverts, child molesters or stalkers”

Well as a homosexual I will happily talk to a retard like you.

What a juveline and petty person you are. What is so funny is that you sabotage your own points by such careless and purile statements such as this.

Please continue with statements such as these because it just higlights the paucity of logic in the arguments you espouse. So while you can joyfully cry “that CFK delivered once again” because the ARA Libertad is on its way back, you can't say the same that she has delivered one of the highest inflation rates in the world as it continues towards 30%. Let's bundle that with growth that has pretty much stalled for the past 12 months.

Now let's include the protests and looting. Yes CFK is delivering it all.

You are so vacuous that you you fall the 'bread and circuses'. This ploy is so simple that the rest of the world is forever in awe that people like you fall for it.

The greatest part about all this is that you can't reply to me because I am a proudly open gay man and you don't talk to homosexuals. So not only can I beat you senseless on here with words (without breaking a sweat), I'd do the same face to face too.

Remember now, don't reply!
69 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 12:59 am Report abuse
Anglotino, I am happy that a gay man was able to shoot back at him. I am not sure if you are new here but he is a self admitted bi-sexual. We all think he has a sexual identity crisis as he lashes out at people with what he calls others. As I said before, he calls people homosexuals as if it's some kind of insult. Even without the childish attempts of insults he believes he is hurling, he makes very little sense when he advocates attacking embassies, getting nuclear weapons, eliminating imports. He is an insignificant, angry teen up in Canada....nothing more.
70 Anglotino (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 09:00 am Report abuse
Captain Poppy

People like Pirat-Hunter are not even a challenge. People who think that calling someone a homosexual, faggot, poofter, joto, maticón etc is an insult are quite pathetic. I'm all those things and still more intelligent than Pirat-Hunter.

So let's see:
Attacking embassies - go ahead and attack. It will do two things. Highlight that Argentina has a security problem and put Argentina in with a very select group of countries: Iran, Syria, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. Also government organised riots have a bad track record-not always controllable once started.

Nuclear weapons - hard to not laugh out loud. What would they pay with? And where would they source their uranium from? Need lots of US dollars for that? Not sure if Argentina has a spare $1 trillion US dollars laying around. Also hard to get uranium when you have eliminated imports.

As for autarky. Where do we start? North Korea is a great example.

So Pirat-Hunter isn't a challenge on any level. The fact he has to repeat the exact same thing ad nauseam on forum after forum in a vain attempt for it to even gain traction is telling.

But he can't reply to anything I say. After all he doesn't reply to homosexuals. LOL lucky me!
71 emerald (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 09:58 am Report abuse
Just typical “” Colorado Owl “” comments..!
72 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
CFK is the best president Argentina had in 40 years, she doesn't arm terrorists, she doesn't run CIA, she doesn't murder innocent Muslim women and children as USA and UK do, so ignore the english people here they are payed to trash Argentina by USA and UK. This are the same people who support CIA and ignore crimes in USA and UK. This useless terrorists can't fix Argentina since they can't even control the terrorists they armed in Afghanistan, iraq, libya, pakistan, turkey, Lebanon, Palestine and syria. Soon all this terrorists will go back to USA and UK to roost.
73 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
Moyano is a despicable scab, and I wouldn't put it past him to be behind these riots. If not him, likely oligarchic/foreign interests, like the ones he effectively helps...
74 Anglotino (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
Looting of over 300 businesses in 40 cities, 3 dead and at least 400 arrested.

And all people do on here is deflect

If Moyano is behind it, why? What does he gain? Worse if “foreign interests” are behind it, why again? Really Argentina isn't that important for foreign governments to be inciting looting. What do they have to gain? Argentina is becoming poorer and slipping down the ranks. There is more and easier money to be made in countries such as Peru, Colombia and Chile without punitive taxes and potential nationalisation.

Argentina is supposedly getting what it wants, to be ignored.

But if it is indeed foreign interests doing this; then people such as British_Kirchener are only highlighting further deficiencies in the Argentine state. How could any competent government allow such foreign influence to gain a foothold in FORTY different cities? All those police forces, the military and intelligence agencies missed someone mobilising THOUSANDS of Argentinean citizens.

Wow, what a sad reflection on the Argentinean government. What do they do all day while foreign agents and unions run around the country organising mob violence? And all to gain..... what exactly? Argentina isn't verging on anarchy. The government is not in danger of being toppled. There will probably be less inward investment, but then again less foreign investment and less imports is exactly what Argentina supposedly desires.

As for deflection, highlighting problems as crimes in the UK or USA doesn't change what is happening in Argentina. It doesn't discuss the reasons or consequences, it just tries to veer the conversation away from the subject. The recent shootings in the US have been discussed by everyone in the US and around the world - where are the discussions on the problems in Argentina? Oh that's right. Here!

Try it sometime.

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