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Uruguayan famous striker holds football training camp in the Falklands

Footballers both young and old, in the Falkland Islands have had the opportunity and rare privilege this last week of being coached by one of the game’s legends.

Toto da Silveira, Governor Nigel Haywood and Ruben Sosa at Government House reception

Once regarded as one of the best strikers in Europe, who could shoot, volley, dribble, create and pass with precision, Ruben Sosa played for a succession of top clubs in Spain, Italy and Germany, in the eighties and nineties before returning to Uruguay in 2003 to round of his playing career with Nacional, for whom he now coaches.

At the beginning of his career in 1982, when he was fifteen years of age, Rubén Sosa was one of the youngest players ever to play in the Uruguay First Division.

Four years later, after transferring to Spain, he was part of the Real Zaragoza team which won the Copa del Rey and scored in the final against Barcelona.

With Italian team, Internazionale, Rubén was that club’s leading goal scorer in the 92/93 and 93/94 seasons, helping them to win the UEFA Cup in 1994.

Further European honours came in the 1995/6 season with German club, Borussia Dortmund, when they won the Bundesliga with Rubén’s help.

Returning to Uruguay, Rubén collected more winners’ medals as his club Nacional won the Uruguayan League Title with his help in 1998, 2000 and 2001.

Mr Sosa was also part of the Uruguayan national team which won the Copa América in 1987 and 1995 and played in the World Cup in Italy.

Accustomed as we have become to the tantrums on and off the pitch of some of today’s millionaire football super stars, it was refreshing to meet Mr Sosa, whose enthusiasm for the game which has been his life’s passion is infectious, as his enthusiasm for coaching the footballers of tomorrow with his own school, the RS Escuela de Fútbol..

In Stanley, accompanied by one of Uruguay’s most famous sporting journalists, Mr Toto de Silviera, who was present in 1996 when England beat Germany to win the World Cup, Rubén Sosa has been holding a series of football workshops for school children and also for the Falkland Islands team, which culminated last Friday afternoon in a match between children and their dads.

Asked how he found the young Falkland Islands players, Ruben Sosa, who has run football training camps for young players in the USA as well as Uruguay, said that he had not expected there to be so many young players in such a small community.

He was impressed by their keenness to learn technique and to do things correctly, but felt that the older group of 13 to 15 year olds lacked a bit of the fun of the younger groups: 5-9 and 10-12. For him, soccer was about passion, but also about having fun.

With regard to the senior players, Rubén said that he had been working with local coach Ian Betts on their physical state and had been demonstrating ways of increasing their fluidity of physical movement.

Ruben Sosa said that he was aware of the long-standing historical links that existed between the Falkland Islands and Uruguay and hope that his visit, which was sponsored by the Falkland Islands Government with the assistance of the British Embassy in Montevideo, would help these links to continue. (PN).-

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1 so_far (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
Nice shoe colour combination Nig......wonder why people call u ca lown ?
2 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
Jealousy and envious,

Cfk will not be amused,

She will now summon the Uruguayan ambassador and make a formal protest, for aiding the enemy as she sees it,

A formal protest will be sent to the UN , O A S , and the F A ,
3 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:40 pm
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4 briton (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
Jealousy and envious.
5 andy65 (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
Old Hag Crissy Kirchner depspatches the jew boy Hector to the United Nations to complain about this terrible wrong doing.

@Pirat-Hunter Let me tell you this you think the whole of South America is with you but yes its called LIP SERVICE then they come to Europe and UK like Chilean President did in November and give a news conference reafirming there countrys strong ties and friendships to The UK
Your only friends are the idiots like Venazuela and Ecuadore the rest just say Yes Cristina then stab the bitch in the back once it's turned,get use to it thats how things roll baby.

God Bless The Falkland Islands
6 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
#4 lol NO! Disgusted to see a man serving another, I don't like slaves they are cowards, the brits love them because they could never get anything done with out slaves, even the english woman knows their only hope of a fun life is with a black man son. Too bad the fakland company hires new slaves to do their theft and lies for them.
7 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Complaint to FIFA in the post?

You've lost me. What has slavery to do anything? Although I suppose you do have so much debt everyone owns your ass.
8 redpoll (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Oyez oyez Maradona to Venezuela Hand of God intervention required
9 HansNiesund (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
Football para todos!

10 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:10 pm
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11 Pirate Love (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
@6 @10 wtf are you talking about??? seriously you sound like a jealous rambling idiot, or is it a homosexual cry for help! try and stick to the topic instead of revising your irrelevant sick delusions.

nice to see some more positive interaction enraging pro-arg posters yet again while they are on the outside looking in with rage, wondering why their sad isolation tactic isnt working on The Falklanders :)))))

12 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
@10 pirat
Can't afford to feed Maradona all his pies. Or all his coke.

There fact that you are making gay insults just shows how backward you and your country is. 21st century, good luck finding it. Maybe it's been looted.
13 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
#11 sorry I was talking about british homosexuals is that you ? Didn't you read I do not talk to perverts, homosexuals and child molesters? Now you know zip it up.
#12 uk can have self determination in UK no problem there. Islas Malvinas Argentina is not UK so go home retards and take the fakland holdings with you. Or let us build a nuclear defense program to fight as equals like men should not like english Cowards.
14 MrFlagpole (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
If you want a nuclear defence program you are welcome to try. You don't have the money or the expertise to build one though.

It seems unlikely that you will ever fight as equals. Not against us at least.
15 bushpilot (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:29 pm Report abuse
@PH bin Laden

What do you think of that British system of government you are living under in Canada? Do you hate it?

Aren't you kind of leeching off of a group of people you hate? If they are supporting you, why do you hate them?

Argentina would be a lot better to live in,right? Why do you want to stay in Canada with all those “caucasians”?
16 Pirate Love (#) Dec 22nd, 2012 - 11:57 pm Report abuse
@13 so let me get this right you are looking for british homosexuals???

interesting!!! any reason why British ?? its the accent isnt it?, gets you off??

Thats cool pirat nobody cares what your sexuality is, and i dont want to know what your sexuality has to do with a uruguayian footballer or is that another story, surely even you can understand the concept SELF-DETERMINATION to be what you want to be??
17 saphira (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:29 am Report abuse
Think paragraph eight needs a little correction there seems to be a typo in the date it should be 1966 not 1996 :)
18 Xect (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:33 am Report abuse
Argentina build a nuclear defence program? BWHAHAHAHHAHAH

Argentina can't even service its debt never mind spend several hundred billion building a nuclear weapon. Not only does it lack the finance but also the skills and technology to do so.

What next?
19 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 12:34 am Report abuse
#15 you asked and it's bias and racist. slavery can show you who the leaches are, Sounds familiar? You, of all people should be more careful when passing judgement on others. Lol all those who? Wrong! Poor little man obviously you haven't gone to any major Canotian city, I live in America, I don't know what you are quacking about.
20 ProRG_American (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:54 am Report abuse
Waste of effort. Argentines are much better at the game than Uruguayans.
21 Pete Bog (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:57 am Report abuse
You seem to forget that the two black slaves that were amongst the 22 civilians who elected to stay in the Falkland Islands in 1883, were freed under British rule.
I believe one of them lived for quite some time in the Falklands. They would have stayed slaves under Vernet.

So much for your Argentine crap about a transplanted 'English' population in 1833,(none of the civilian population staying in 1833 were English, though I do believe many of Pinedo's sailors were, you know, the
ones who were transplanted to South America and not allowed to stay in the Falklands )?
22 brucey-babe (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 11:36 am Report abuse
@13 P-H.
I cannot find reason for you to call the U.K. cowards, we did not surrender in 1982, the Argies did. FYI, Have you noticed that all our army vehicles are left-hand-drive the reason being that we don`t wage war on our land we take it to you ( so much for being called cowards !) As for nuclear weapons, we won`t use them on you, we don`t have to; as I have already said we take the war to you. 1st. your airforce runways will be obliterated, 2nd. all fuel depots will be incinerated, 3rdly. any civil airport used for military use will join the airforce runways, kaput ! there will no more Argie flights or indeed any missiles over F.Is. All this we can achieve without using a single aircraft, SAS, SBS, Marine commandos come to mind. Sorry, Argentina would be as dead as your lamentable post. May I wish all Argentinians who have not swallowed the same sick diatribe as you a , Very Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.
23 Conqueror (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
@1 Is that the best you can come up with? If you look carefully, you may see the similarity to combat boots. Perhaps the Governor had just returned from that part of Antarctica now officially called Queen Elizabeth Land.
@3 What's the matter, alex? Did you have an argument with a customer who insisted on access to your throat as well as your ass?
@6 Thanks for clarifying, alex. You're unemployed. Probably unemployable. Still spongeing, eh?
@13 “Perverts, homosexuals and child molesters”. Go to argieland. All that is legal there. Go now. Get in on the “ground floor”. In the next couple of years, it won't just be legal, it'll be compulsory. You can get yourself shagged at immigration, again at customs, again by the bus or cab driver. And the hotel clerk will want his share of your butt. Bet you're looking forward to it already! “Self-determination”? Can't have that in argieland. Implanted population. Also, minimum 60% faggots.
@19 An argie lies. Anyone surprised?
@20 Argies only know how to cheat, lie and bugger each other. You can see the cum stains on the back of their shorts.
24 Gordo1 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 11:57 am Report abuse
Ruben Sosa - good neighbour! Puts to shame the nation of Argentina.

Viva Uruguay!
25 womble (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
Interesting to speculate what might happen in the future, if the Falkland Islands, like Gibraltar, join the ranks of national teams and enter regional competitions......Would neighbouring fans be allowed to bring their flags for away games?
26 travellingscotsman (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
27 Britworker (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
That pirat-hunter guy sounds like he is starting to lose the plot, he sounds insane. He is trying to mask the real reason he is unhappy, which is the fact that a famous Uruguayan, ignoring Argentina, is taking the time to visit the Falklands people.
28 Brit Bob (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:12 pm Report abuse

No such place as Islas Malvinas, just the Falkland Islands, a British self governing overseas territory with a proud history.

Read and digest:

And take note of Argentina's 102nd position in the Global Transparency Index:

and also note that although the ARA Libertad sailed away the War to recover money from Argentina is not over:

God bless Paul Singer and his work.
29 ProRG_American (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
La Nacion and C5N have confirmed that ARA Espora has sailed from South Africa and is headed towards the Brazilian coast where it will join ARA Libertad to escort it into Mar Del Plata Naval base on January 9, 2013.
30 Anbar (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
“”“You seem to forget that the two black slaves that were amongst the 22 civilians who elected to stay in the Falkland Islands in 1883, were freed under British rule.”“””

Its a total waste of time pointing out historical fact to either PH or other malvinistas - they have, and will always, just re-write history or ignore the relevant bits whenever it suits them.

its pretty pointless even responding to the guy as he is completely delusional.

really. seriously, delusional.
31 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 06:54 pm Report abuse

congratulations on getting one of youre ships fixed in only 8! weeks was it (or was it longer) i relise this is a cause for celebrationin in Argentina after having overcome actually having to pay hard cash to get the repairs carried out, but for the rest of the world with modern navies this news is a bit meh. :) Merry christmas!
32 Frank (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
@29 Pro RG RG ... some celebration .... 2 ships out of hock .... it could only happen in RGland.
33 briton (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
The British abolished slavery,
So your point is worthless,
Insulting the brits just show how insecure you really are,
Envy and jealousy,

We had what you never could,,

We have, what you cannot,
We will always be, something
you can never be,

but you do have one advantage over the British,
you talk to much..
34 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
If insulting another nation is proof of insecurity, quite a lot of the posters here suffer from severe lack of self-esteem. Where is the famous British manners? Or was it Brutish manners? Is this the best Britain has to offer to present their views? If so, it's really sad. Sad and embarrassing.
35 briton (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
The brits don’t do to bad,
Besides, it’s only a blog don’t cha know,

The morality is ,
Its not what others do,
But what you do,
Someone once said that every citizen of every country abroad is a representative of that country, whenever he/she likes it or not.
And everything this person does, reflex on that country’s good name,
Is this not so,

So thank good no one takes this site very seriously,
Rather than in good spirited,
After all, no one is perfect.

36 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
I'm not calling for perfection. I'm merely calling for decency. Is this truly a representation of Britain? I truly hope you are wrong.
37 briton (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
on other sites things may well be different,
some only reply to argie insults,
and some go way over the top,

but im sure, if they all met in person, you would see that respect would be shown.
38 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
I hope you are right, Briton. But for all those readers that don't comment, how do you think they percieve this blatant.... Stupidity, I'm sorry to say?
Does it truly male you proud being a Brit? Is this how you'd wish to present your country on an open forum?
39 briton (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Im a proud brit, thank you,

And it was Argentina that illegally invaded the Falklands,
It is thus Argentina directly to blame for the deaths of hundreds, is it not,

and is it not CFK who has for the most part, insulted , abused , threatened , intimidated , blockaded , and told abhorrent lies abt them,

Called the British pirates and thieves, [this from a head of state]

The British government, has it on record that the British only wish to be friends,

And this was publicly ridiculed at the UN by CFK herself,

So yes im proud to be British,
But are Argies proud to be Argentinean, after what her leaders have achieved,

We think not..
40 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
Oh, so this blatant stupidity from the British posters derives from the Argentines invading the islands 1982? Seems they did a bit more than invade the Falklands...
41 Monty69 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:18 pm Report abuse
40 Stevie

And how, in your opinion, does the word 'Brutish' (as used by you) convey 'decency'?
42 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
Monty, I never called anyone brutish. My wonders were if people confused the famous British manners with brutish manners. It's not me insulting people here, that I can assure you.
43 Pete Bog (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
“Seems they did a bit more than invade the Falklands...”

Yes, they've tried to bully the Islanders-so for that the Argentine government (not the Argentine people unconnected with the bullying), deserves to get some stick.

If the Argentine government did not bully the Falkland Islanders, these posts would be less busy and less vitriol sent in their direction.
44 Stevie (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Lets not go down that road, lets not deal stick based on historical invasions and bullying, or you'll have a whole forest coming your direction. Not the British people of course, as little as the Argentine.
45 Monty69 (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
44 Stevie

No-one could be less interested than I in 'historical invasions and bullying.
Argentina gives us plenty of ammunition every week, now, with its bullying tactics towards Falkland Islanders.
46 scarfo (#) Dec 23rd, 2012 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
stevie, from a lot of youre posts (quite evident in this thread) and others you appear to be here for nothing more that to knock British posters

If insulting another nation is proof of insecurity, quite a lot of the posters here suffer from severe lack of self-esteem. Where is the famous British manners? Or was it Brutish manners? Is this the best Britain has to offer to present their views? If so, it's really sad. Sad and embarrassing.

yet when Argentine posters make posts like this

Fakland holding will buy any slave willing to shine the shoe of the white man.

#4 lol NO! Disgusted to see a man serving another, I don't like slaves they are cowards, the brits love them because they could never get anything done with out slaves, even the english woman knows their only hope of a fun life is with a black man son. Too bad the fakland company hires new slaves to do their theft and lies for them.

and this in less than the first 7 posts, yet you say nothing? preferring to call the other posters ''sad and embarrising''

mind if i ask what nationality you are stevie?
47 briton (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 12:28 am Report abuse
Steve wishes to condemn the actions of the British, whilst totally ignoring the argentine,

He wants to condemn the brits wording and responses, yet ignores the Argies,

Sorry Steve,
The fact is, [and it is a fact]
If Argentina had not illegally invaded the British Falklands,
We would not be here now, would we?

The British Falklanders have done nothing wrong,
Their only crime it seems is to be left alone and be British,

The British have done nothing wrong,
Their only crime was to defend the Falklands,

That leave only one country fully responsible for its own actions, and is guilty,
And that country is Argentina, [government]

So the brits have nothing to be ashamed about,
But the argentine government has a lot of blood on its hands,
And that’s a true fact..
48 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 02:11 am Report abuse

I know it's off topic and and not in line with the mutial hate that goes on in this forum but I would just like to extend my best wishes to all those in the Falkland Islands.

Yes. I think that with a BIG year coming up next year, I would just like to say “Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year” to everyone in the Falklands. All the best for the New Year and I hope that the New Year brings Peace, long life and good fortune with it....

And To all my friends on this forum as well. I will say “All Hail and well met!!!” May you and your families have a great Christmas and a very Happy New Year. May all your hangovers be small ones!!!

And lastly, to the Argentine posters on this forum. Friends and friendly enemies alike, have a good Christmas. Look after yourselves and your families, stay safe and have a Happy New Year. I hope that things get better for Agentina in the coming year. I hope things get better for ALL Argentinian's everywhere.

Love and Peace from Nottingham


P.S:- Has anyone tried “Hot Vimto”???? They were selling down at the Christmas market. If you haven't, DON'T!!! It tastes like warm mouth wash.
49 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 05:20 am Report abuse
In will like join the discussion but I don't know anything about golf.
50 Phil H (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 08:32 am Report abuse
Come on Stevie several good questions here about why you attack us for being 'Brutish' but ignore the Argentine abuse? Answers on a postage stamp please. Are you an Arg?
51 Stevie (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 09:15 am Report abuse
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I've only seen one Argentine spreading the same moronic childishness as far too many Brits, and that is Pirate-hunter. I truly appreciated Anglotino's post directed towards this character, a post full of sincerity and no abuse whatsoever.
Too many people here abuse and presents theor ideas like enfuriated teenagers, and when confronted with their own inmaturity, they point at their opposition. You'll never make me believe that this childishness is because Argentina invaded the Falklands 30 years ago, or that Pirate-Hunters idiotic, homophobic and racist posts sets the foundation for any discussion. I don't expect much from a man that talks about killing his own mix blooded people in order to replace them with what he thinks is good blood, and maybe I was wrong in expecting more from the Brits.
52 emerald (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 09:55 am Report abuse
This web site messages on Christmas in related article

“”....we extend to our readers and sponsors all the very best...“”

The sponsors ?? ...who are they ??
53 Steveu (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 09:59 am Report abuse
A Merry Christmas to ALL our readers

Anyone fancy a game of football on Christmas day? Just make sure that boy Messi stays at home - Ardilles and Maradonna should be just fine! ;-)
54 Gordo1 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:05 am Report abuse
Stevie - re 1982. Your memory seems to be poor - Argentina ILLEGALLY invaded the Falkland Islands, was ordered by the Security Council of the UN to withdraw but ignored this order and your armed forces were then roundly defeated by the British troops, surrendered and left the archipelago with their “tails between their legs”
What ignominy!
55 Monty69 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:25 am Report abuse
51 Stevie

I'm guessing you haven't been looking on here very long.
There's hardly a post goes by without some Argentine calling us 'squatters' or 'turnips'.

And it does have everything to do with the events of 1982, and every act of bullying since. It's not over.
56 WestisBest (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:36 am Report abuse
Calling for decency (on the Mercopress comments section) is pointless Stevie, this is predominantly a place where Argies and Brits insult each other. I doubt you're going to change that so maybe you'd better go back to reading the Guardian.
57 Steveu (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 10:47 am Report abuse
@56 One also has to blame MercoPress for poor moderation - some of the posts (from either side) should have been pulled immediately.
58 redpoll (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
57 Agree completely
59 Simon68 (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to you all.

An especially happy March to all Falkland Islanders.

Self Determination para tod@s
60 Pirat-Hunter (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
How is the golf training going? viva CFK the best president Argentina had in 40 years, out with the English terrorists and illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina. Death to pirates, child molesters and perverts. Send them all back home to UK.
61 British_Kirchnerist (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
#5 So now you're antisemitic too?
62 Conor J (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Yawn, you really are a nutter aren't you? :) Did someone get released from Broadmoor to early? Ha ha ha.
63 Pete Bog (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
“Lets not go down that road,”

I don't actually wish to go down that road, but Argentina insists on claiming the Falkland Islands using history that does not exist, and tries to insist the Falkland Islanders are a transplanted population from Europe, but deny that they themselves in the 19th century were also transplanted from Europe.

They try to deny the Islanders the right to live very modest livesin a democracy and govern themselves, rather than talk to the islanders and earn Argentnian $millions, (which is going to Chile and ther UK instead).

The Argentinian governmnet attempt to economically blockade the Falklands, the type of actions the UK themselves once were guilty of (our side don't deny the UK have not had a squeaky clean past), are threatening the peace of the region, therefore as with 1982, making it neccesary for hte UK to post a detterent force in the Islands.
If the UK are so bad, please tell me an instant where British thugs break into Argentine properties in the UK with the suspicious absence of investigating police as recent state sponsored Argentine thugs broke into and smashed up shipping offices, without any appearance of the police?

If the Argentines did not bully the Falkland Islands (it knows bullying the UK failed in 1982), I might not even be commenting on Mercopress, but I do emphasise that the main target of the posters are the Malvanistas, whom I have great pleasure in riposting.
64 briton (#) Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
very true,
and we agree.

merry xmas.
65 toooldtodieyoung (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 12:17 am Report abuse
59 Simon68

and I hope your family has a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year too Simon.

Be well, stay safe.
66 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 02:53 am Report abuse
@59 Simon

Best Wishes to you at Christmas, Simon.

Your posts from Argentina have been very enlightening.

Please stay safe and enjoy your Christmas. Wishing the best to Argentinians who are targets of their own politicians. Hoping for dramatic change or the better, in the near future.
67 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 06:44 pm Report abuse

Hahahah, you trully are inverecund aren't you.

Last time I checked, if gay partners lived together 50 years and one died, the other has virtually no inheritance benefits in the retrograde nation called the UK.

I'm sure when Scotland becomes independent, at least the situation will get better for the oppressed LBGT British populace...

In Scotland at least.

By the way... it took Argentina 1 1/2 days to quell the “riots”. I think it took the inept angl0-saxons one full week.. and your cities were literally BURNING.
68 Steveu (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 08:51 pm Report abuse

If you make a Will I'm the UK then you can leave anything to anyone. this has been the case for very many years

Civil partnerships have strengthened the rights of same sex partners - these we're introduced in 2005, I think

Happy Christmas
69 Musky (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
@67 Nostrils
UK police did not use the right tactics for sure. The early mistakes made in london gave rioters elsewhere reason to think they could get away with it. thankfully nearly every perp has been identified and appeared in court. Somewhere around 1800 perps methinks.
70 Anglotino (#) Dec 25th, 2012 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
@67 NT5

Haha if there was ever an example of “inverecund” it'd be your use of archaic English.

But thanks for highlighting how deep and rich the English language is-much more so than Spanish and indeed many others.

Anyway, “Last time I checked, if gay partners lived together 50 years and one died, the other has virtually no inheritance benefits in the retrograde nation called the UK”

Time to check again. Just because Argentina enacted same-sex marriage before the UK doesn't mean they trailblaze all rights. Britain's civil partnerships predate Argentina's by 5 years. Open military service by 9 years. Ability to legally change gender by 4 years. Argentina doesn't even have national anti-discrimination or hate speech protection.

Complicated language bundled with shallow knowledge.

Your continual harping on about Scottish independence also highlights your own immature understanding and belief in self determination. Few countries so openly enable a sub-national unit to vote on independence. So thank you for hilighting the strengths and maturity of the UK.

A comparison with the 2011 riots in the UK again shows you up. Argentina didn't have riots. Just lots and lots of looting. In 40 cities at last count.

Let's compare the differences:
UK: Mark Duggan is shot by police
Arg: ???? Hunger? Poverty? Inflation? Unemployment? Christmas?

Response by national leader-
UK: leave cancelled and parliament recalled 4 days after start
Arg: Where's Cristina? 6 days and counting.

UK: 4 days (“I think it took the inept Anglo-saxons one full week” there you go thinking again)
Arg: 2 days though there was more looting in San Miguel de Tucumán on day 3.

Government action-
UK: Day 6, PM promises to cover uninsured facilities and buildings and set up a £20,000,000 fund for businesses affected.
Arg: Day 6? Pointing the finger still.

It's all very well to savour schadenfreude and deflect but it really doesn't tackle what just happened in Argentina.
71 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 12:32 am Report abuse

You are such a benighted, contumelious, and haughty specimen. In other words, a tribute to your race.

I've always highlighted to your incurious compatriots the fabulous panoply of English vocabulary, with the nuance and holophrastic qualities it provides. Yes, more so than Spanish and other languages. Ironic is it not, that they are the ones who obstreperously denounce me for making usufruct of it. Nor do they take the time to augment their lexicon. I as a lowly argie have more enjoyment in usage for you own language than most of you ever will.

Of course, as is ineluctably typical for you gauche Britons, you eventually allow vainglory to usurp your higher noetic functions. A hamartia of yours, and this proclivity inevitably results in embarrassment and gross negligence of facts.

Spanish has a FAR richer temporal field than English. Spanish allows for the placing of events and actions in ways no English speaking person will ever comprehend or grasp. The equivalent of trying to expound in words to a two-dimensional creature what a 3 dimensional world would be like. Furthermore, it can enunciate many temporal points of reference with superior deftness and eloquence (english requiring clunky and ackward periphrastic constuctions like “I would have been working for the whole day” = “Hubiera trabajado el dia entero”.... four english words for just to elegantly collocated Spanish verbs).

German is clearly superior in expressing spatial relations (“Wir gehen in den Garten hinaus ” = “We are going out into the garden from an inside location”, all that information just with the use of the pithy “hinasus”), and also has a freedom of word order that permits emotional emphasis English as an analytical language can never achieve (“Dich hasse ich!” = “YOU I hate!”... But in German this sort of positioning sounds far more expressive and not artificial.)

I could go on, but I think I have humiliated you enough.

As for the other claptrap, nothing happened in Argentina.
72 Anglotino (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 12:51 am Report abuse
So that boiled down to.

You're silly like the rest of your race (racism much?).

I love using English. Others should too. No one listens when I say this.

Britons just don't listen and make silly mistakes. (I'm not British-silly mistake).

Spanish is better than English regarding time usage through grammar.

German is better than English regarding spacial location through grammar. Oh and has great word order. It rocks!

I humiliated you (somewhere..... I'm still trying to find that one).

“nothing happened in Argentina”

Exactly! Nothing to see. Move along. Excuse me sir, would you like some bread and a ticket to the circus while you ignore is.

This is so easy I almost feel guilty. Almost.....
73 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:05 am Report abuse
I just wanted to point out to you that it is rare to almost impossible to asseverate that any language is “better” than another. Almost always being the case that when a language simplifies or restricts expression in one area, it compensates by becoming more complex or richly expressive in another.

English was wise enough to openly embrace words from any source and from all invasions of Britain in history (from Scandinavian “welkin”, to Norman “lunacy”, to latin “expunge”, etc, etc, etc).
74 Anglotino (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:34 am Report abuse
I never said that English was “better” than any other language. Just that it was deeper and richer than other languages especially Spanish.

But very nice deflection. Most on here would fall for it but I don't. Understandable since I've bested you at every claim today. But you can take solace in your linguistic abilities.

As to the article, funny how other countries such as Uruguay and Chile are deepening their ties and cultural exchanges while paying lip service to Cristina. But it just continues 30 years of Argentina shooting itself in the foot when it comes to the Falklands. If there is any one country pushing the Islands towards eventually independence it is Argentina.

They've painted themselves into a corner and handing all their power and control to the Islands and UK to exercise.
75 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 01:43 am Report abuse
You must be daft as well as ethnically elitist. “Deeper” and “richer” without any restrictives clearly states you are attributing such qualities to the language in its entirety, and not just to a particular facet.

If I say I am better than you, it is an implication of entirety. Compare that to saying “I'm better than you in language and debate” (but perhaps not in arrogance or ignorance). In other words, you are better in certain things, and I'm better in others, and not in everything.

And your “specially” Spanish is another unsubstantiated jab. You have provided absolutely no evidence to your statements, because you are speaking out of your arse. And that's that.

Uruguay and Chile and Brazil can do as they wish. Argentina has no interest in any sort of exchange with the UK.
76 Anglotino (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 03:35 am Report abuse

Don't get upset with me just because you continually highlight and lavish praise on yourself in your use of English. It isn't me who expounds on this and fills these forums with verbal diarrhoea in a vain attempt to hide a complete lack of ability in arguing any point and dearth of facts.

Resorting to insults as frequently as you do only highlights your deficiencies. I don't want you to stop because you are only shining a light on yourself. You are racist and make false assumptions with little information.

While your anger is palpable, you'll never elicit the same reaction from me. Indeed I can't even break an intellectual sweat with you. So sorry no insults - blatant or otherwise.

I plan on being on these forums a lot, so you will soon grow tired of being bested (time to research, that doesn't mean I'm saying I'm better than you as you mistakenly claimed.

It would seem that Uruguay, Chile and Brazil do indeed do as they wish. Further proof that Argentina's geopolitical and economic strengths are on the wane. With Brazil entrenched as the regional power and Chile the regional economic superstar, I expect the noise from the Casa Rosada to reach a particularly shrill point soon.

Hunting down world leaders at forums to ambush them will become an embarrassing memory when Argentina suddenly finds herself at less and less of them. I'm even predicting Colombia replacing Argentina at the G20.
77 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 03:50 am Report abuse
For me to use my intellect would require a commensurate stimulus from the opponent. Sorry, but you have not succeeded thus far.

Argentina's geopolitical and economic strengths are on the wane? If so, and?

What, is the UK's geopolitical and economic strangth rising by some chance? If that is what you believe, let me be the first to inform you the other 7 billion people on the planet see a very different reality.

Europe is a has been. period.
78 dab14763 (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 05:53 am Report abuse
“I would have been working for the whole day” = “Hubiera trabajado el dia entero”.... four english words for just to elegantly collocated Spanish verbs).

'would have' = 'habría' (conditional), not 'hubiera' (past subjunctive)

would have 2 syllables
habría 3 syllables

I would have been working the whole day 9 syllables
habría trabajado el día entero 13 syllables
habría estado trabajando el día entero 16 syllables

'hubiera = had

If I had had the time, I would have worked the whole day 13 syllables
Si hubiera tenido el tiempo, habría trabajado el día entero 23 syllables

In speech there's no particular advantage to using an inflected verb over a verb phrase.
79 Nostrolldamus The 5th (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 07:40 am Report abuse
You are scratching at the surface of temporal translation.

To clarify, the “si” clause of past-clause of irreversible outcome is normally ”si + past perfect subunctive + past conditional). However, in many dialects it is acceptable to replace the past conditional from that, thus: “si + past perfect subjunctive + past perfect subjunctive”... So “Hubiera trabajado todo el dia si hubiera querido”, is fine. In fact French has a literary construction just as this. See the bottom of this page:

Your translation above is literal and not conceptual, which is an understandable mistake most people make. That is why non-natives can't really master a second language... most are simply unable to create a new linguistic conception and are irremediably constrained by the conventions of their native tongue.

To translate “I would have been working”, you don't need an equivalent progressive construction in most Spanish equivalents. This is because the Spanish past tenses have both discrete Aorist (perfective completed action), and Imperfective (undefined past finality) tenses.

So, to translate “cantaba”, you can't say “I sang” in English to express the nuance vs “canté”. It is impossible. Germanic languages have lost that ability to express perfective/imperfective aspect.

Invariably you need to say “I used to sing”, “I would sing” (but this in many speakers causes interference with the conditional), or “I was singing” to approach a more accurate translation.

Similarly “hubiera trabajado” is a pluperfect subjunctive, which is imperfective in aspect. The perfective equivalent is “hubiese trabajado”. Now, most Spanish speakers have lost the ability to discern this distinction; obviously I am a far superior Spanish speaker. Just as I am a far superior English speaker, and eventually a far superior French, German, and Portuguese speaker. Being superior is in my nature.

I digressed. I'll go on next time.
80 Anglotino (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 10:46 am Report abuse
@77 NT5

“For me to use my intellect would require a commensurate stimulus from the opponent. Sorry, but you have not succeeded thus far.”

I don't doubt that you have not used your intellect. I've never worked under that assumption. Your inability to articulate any coherent argument, lack of any sort of knowledge outside of linguistics, continued false assumptions and resort to insults speaks volumes about you without me needing to intellectually stimulate you.

“Argentina's geopolitical and economic strengths are on the wane? If so, and?”

Haha very interesting turn of phrase. Imitation is the highest form of flattery after all.

So what happens? Well people listen less. So say you are trying to gain disputed land for instance and you were ignominiously defeated when trying to use force; well then you fall back on international and multilateral institutions. Sorta like ambushing a country's PM at say... the G20 summit. Also when countries dispute your other territorial claims and unilaterally rename a chunk of it, well who will support you when their action is recognised and supported by others. So you have to stand back and take it and look at Queen Elizabeth Land on maps forever after.

Argentina's chickens are coming home to roost. The Falklands have never been so far. Chile has surpassed Argentina on a GDP per capita basis and is set to become Latin America's first developed economy-a future that Argentina had all to itself for so long. Brazil shudders every time Argentina creates another loopy policy. And Colombia is courted while Argentina is ignored.

For the Islands, Uruguay seems quite happy to step into the breach. Economically and culturally.

Isolationism has only really worked for one major country. That evil empire up north, the US. It didn't work for communist Albania, pre-1980s China, North Korea or Myanmar. And check out pre-1990 India for autarky.

Not sure why you bought up the UK or Europe, I didn't. You may now have the final word.
81 WestisBest (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 11:34 am Report abuse
Nostrolldamus, filling your posts with long, obscure words doesn't mean you're clever, it means you're a tit with a dictionary who's trying to look clever.
82 lsolde (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 11:38 am Report abuse
@ many, Nostril-the-5th,
Oh do please be silent, you stupid little man(woman/thing?).
You are becoming most tiresome.
Just go into the forest with a loaded pistol & end it all.
For all our sakes!
Join Holy Orders & take a vow of silence.
Just trying to help :-))))))))))☼
83 JohnN (#) Dec 26th, 2012 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Altogether, seems like a successful initiative, probably because there was cooperation and forward planning from several sides, including Falklands, FCO-British Embassy Montevideo and of course, Rubén Sosa.

Rather different than the rather one-sided presence of Rugby Sin Fronteras last year - showing up in Stanley to coach rugby where there appears to be little interest.

RSF seem to be earnest, involved also in using their rugby coaching to reduce Middle East tensions as well, but concern in Falklands (as reflected in Mercopress ) seems to be impression of a bit too much “Malvinas”-flavoured attitude.

To show friendly international attitudes are really growing in Argentina, maybe Falkland Islands Cricket Team might be hosted for a tour by Cricket Argentina?

Dressed as rugby players, Argentine lobbyists plan third visit, next April:

RSF Falklands intiative 2012:

Falkland Islands’ cricket team gearing up for Caribbean tour:

Cricket Argentina:
84 malen (#) Dec 27th, 2012 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
Some of an Arg association went to the isles as rugby “sin fronteras”, with no political interferences or purposes.
You can come here, I suppose, as cricket “sin fronteras” and play, why not??
85 Pete Bog (#) Dec 28th, 2012 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
“Argentina has no interest in any sort of exchange with the UK.”

I'll bet it doesn't. It owes the UK £millions.

As Argentina haven't paid for their type 42s we should impound/confiscate them.

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