Argentina “again ignores the rights and wishes of the Falkland Islands people”
The Falkland Islands are an British Overseas Territory by choice, entirely self-governing except for defence and foreign affairs and have been settled for at least nine generations, well before Argentina even claimed what is today Tierra del Fuego, points out the Falklands’ elected government in a release-reply to the open letter from Argentine President Cristina Fernandez published on Thursday in the British press.
“It is disappointing that today the government of Argentina is once again ignoring the rights and wishes of the Falkland Islands people”, begins the reply to the open letter, which then clarifies some of the inaccurate historic points raised by Argentina in the message to PM David Cameron.
The Falklands’ elected government also underlines that the open letter from President Cristina Fernandez “fails to mention the most significant aspect of our recent history – the attempt by the Argentine Government to take away our home by military force when they invaded thirty years ago”.
In her open letter published in several London newspapers, the Argentine leader calls on PM Cameron to return the Falkland Islands to Argentina, 180 years after the territories were “forcibly stripped” from Buenos Aires” (3 January 1833) and demands the PM honours a United Nations resolution dating from 1965 and start negotiations about handing over the Islands.
Follows the full text of the Falkland Islands elected government:
“It is disappointing that today the Government of Argentina is once again ignoring the rights and wishes of the Falkland Islands people. The open letter sent by President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner to British Prime Minister David Cameron is not only historically inaccurate, but fails to mention the most significant aspect of our recent history – the attempt by the Argentine Government to take away our home by military force when they invaded thirty years ago. The people of the Falkland Islands, who for nine generations have lived and worked these lands, would like to take the opportunity to clarify some points raised by President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
“The Falkland Islands had no indigenous population prior to their settlement by our ancestors – the Islands were unoccupied. Argentina claims the Falkland Islands form part of the province of Tierra del Fuego – an area that was not claimed as a part of the Republic of Argentina until after two generations of Falkland Islanders had been born and raised in our Islands.
“There is no truth to Argentine claims that a civilian population was expelled by Britain in 1833. The people who were returned to Argentina were an illegal Argentine military garrison, who had arrived three months earlier. The civilian population in the Islands, who had sought permission from Britain to live there, were invited to stay. All but two of them, with their partners, did so.
“We are not an implanted population. Our community has been formed through voluntary immigration and settlement over the course of nearly two hundred years. We are a diverse society, with people from around the world having made the Islands their home.
“The UN Charter enshrines the right of all people to determine their own future, a principle known as self-determination. It is in exercising this right that we have chosen to retain our links with the UK. It is this fundamental right that is being ignored by the Argentine Government, who are denying our right to exist as a people, and denying our right to live in our home.
“As a modern, self-governing Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom, we enjoy a relationship based on the shared ideals of democracy, freedom and self-reliance. We are not a colony of the United Kingdom; we are a British Overseas Territory by choice, which is something entirely different. We are not governed by Britain: we are entirely self-governing, except for defence and foreign affairs. We democratically elect our Legislative Assembly Members; they are chosen by the people of the Falkland Islands to represent them and to determine and administer our own policies and legislation. In March we will be holding a referendum on our political status, so that as a people we can make our views heard in a clear, democratic and incontestable way”.
The release is signed by Dick Sawle, Member of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands.
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@3 Prat! WTF has Coca Cola got to do with anything?
Shake them up and they go off with a POP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hit the wrong key?
However, what you Argetines have failed to do is explain why the Falklands are part of Argentina.
Your President has lied twice on your behalf today:
1) suggesting Argentine civilians were expelled.
2) suggesting that Patagonia was Argentine in 1832.
But, absolutely zero evidence as to why the Islands are part of Argentina.
No Spanish inheritance
No territorial integrity
No civilian expulsion
No historic claim
No moral claim
No geographic claim
Argentine history in the islands summarised:
Colonialist intention, violence, mutiny, murder, rape, retreat, lies, Nazism, cowardice, invasion, cowardice, humiliation, more lies, whining, Botox.
British history of the islands:
Peaceful colony, shipping, trade, withdrawal, shipping, peaceful settlement for 150 years, bravery, heroism, removal of fascist junta, peaceful settlement for 30 years, massive oil discovery!!
Notice the difference...
are you kidding here ?
who/what is the London appointed Governor ?
Yep, I was too busy laughing at your comment :)
There are London appointed governors in 15 other commonwealth countries...including Canada, Argentina and Jamaica, what's your point?
no one can take serious who can not elect freely head of state .
What a silly question.
just a comedy.!
So are people not allowed to settle in Argentina and become Argentine. Is Kirchner an indigenous name? I 'light think' not!
Prepare yourselves for another humiliation in March.
Shake them up and they go off with a POP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uk and Morgan have a lot in common: BOth pirates and LIARS!
So you cannot take seriously any country that doesn't have an elected head of State??
Interestingly, that is about half the countries in the UN and a good proportion of the people of the world.
Probably most of them look at yours, and are quite happy not to take Argentina too seriously either.
i said ...“ taking serious ” ...not “ recognizing ”.
the “ recognize” and “take serious ” are not same things.
(This is a serious question)
i guess everybody knows TMBOA in Argentina
T ..transandantal
M..meditation
B..British
O..Organizational
A..Area
Cristina would only ruin these people's lives, if they were subject to her stupidity.
I just wish Pirate Butt Hunter would shut up. Either come to Argentina and share your views with other morons that agree with you here, or shut up. Being conveniently at a safe distance just makes you look stupid.
you dont know Argentina !
Dream on Argies you will never get back the island and you could lose more to Chile if you are not careful. And Paraguay sorry you will never get back the north Chaco.
The only answer is dual sovereignity in the future. Let's face the facts. The President of the Argentine is only after the oil rights to line her pockets and those who put her in power. Let the free people of the islands decide for themselves Man !!!!!!!!
certainly,nobody knows what the real growth /inflation rates.
what are the real growth /inflation rates of Argentina ?
adding a clue ...
if you buy a property abroad as a british citizen ,that country can expel you
but can not seize your property..becouse this property owner is the her majesty Queen according to the UK laws.
They real poor them Brits, they don't yearn much. Not as much as those RG's, who yearn a lot for those pesky Brit islands!
#9 axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
#21 Sorry Andy my passport says am Argentine and I admit it I am, I can't be deported even if I wanted to, so I travel this continent as I please. I leave the war mongering to the English and respond to them with a king spirit. CFK is going to be around for a long time i suggest you get use to it, CFK is the best president Argentina had in 40 years, like it or not she was elected and might be elected again. Sorry but now that you mention isn't Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria under NAZY regime? Before you go on trashing others have a good look at the mirror in the morning.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
Case in point:
KFC, “Give us the Islands.”
Brits, “No.”
See, you can not getmuch simpler that that, now can you?
On the GDP figures your country is now way outside G20 around 27 so NO MORE CRISSY at G20 meetings ,thats why Christine Lagarde from IMF has threatned you miserable people because of false accounting.The point I am making is telling lies comes natural to The Botox Queen,ofcourse you might know the bitch personaly and know different,she might even restart the flights of death soon because she is so alike the old Generals in the junta,infact shes the same in tights.
I read the load of drivel posing as a serious journalistic article.
Specifically looking at the section where the UK was militarising the islands. As part of the build-up, the article reported the following :-
”There are also 101 minefields on the island covering twenty square miles, containing 25,000 mines (according to US State Department figures).”
What you were meant to believe was that these were currently laid by the British forces.
What they failed to say was that these were laid randomly by the invading Argentine forces in 1982 WITHOUT clear plans as to where they were laid !
The rest of the article is about as truthful as this.
Read it too. LMFHO. Using their own uncharted minefields as evidence of British Militarisation, a real gem, priceless.
It basically has no validity, ethically or morally.
Or are you goint to tell us the British sneaked ashore and laid them before they landed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
You're making no sense. Please make some sense. Thanks.
If Kirchner has her way, Clarin will be emasculated to status of a government mouthpiece, like her new friend, Iran's - Press TV
The current population of the islands is not in “people”.
“fails to mention the most significant aspect of our recent history – the attempt by the Argentine Government to take away our home by military force when they invaded thirty years ago”:
What we are remembering the act of January 3, 1833?
“who for nine generations have lived and worked these lands”:
It will not be your case, is not English?
“The Falkland Islands had no indigenous population..”:
And!!! Does that give you the right to steal if it belongs to another? In India when he broke the “English civilization” were millions of Indians, which did not stop running out to ask permission to say much.
“There is no truth to Argentine claims that a civilian population was expelled by Britain in 1833”:
Looks like this guy has better information than the prominent and serious Argentine and foreign authors, Goebels case.
“.. had sought permission from Britain to live there, were invited to stay”:
Besides being a total lie, it's like steal and usurp your handle and then the thief invites you to work for him ... as a domestic. In fact in those years, the gauchos them out of step with the animals “in field” to the useless occupants.
“...a principle known as self-determination”:
Why is it that the invaders always forget “territorial integrity”? Why should not they?
“We are not a colony of the United Kingdom”:
The claim may be true. It is simply an “overseas territory” stolen from Argentina Republic.
“We democratically elect our Legislative Assembly Members”:
Is “burned” alone should have said “we are elected democratically.”
Strictly, the UN Charter issue is not a question of sovereignty, rather a question of removing colonial rule from the Islanders through the process of self-determination
Specifically both Argentina & Britain must support this change under UN treaty obligation; furthermore Argentina is obligated to support the British implementation of Article 73 via Resolution 1514 as Argentina voted for 1514 & is a UN Treaty signatory. In accordance with this Declaration the British government as the Administrating Country must develop self-government by transfer of all powers to the people of the Islands & the British government must report annually to the UN Special Committee on Decolonization who's terms of reference are defined in resolution 1654 as to examine the application of the Declaration, to make suggestions & recommendations on the progress & extent of the implementation of the Declaration, & to report to the General Assembly
With respect to the question of territorial integrity, the effect of the UN Charter is not retrospective & does not apply to disputes before 24 October 1945. In terms of the UN Treaty, Resolution 1514 protects British interests as Great Britain exercised sovereignty on the Falkland Islands/Malvinas at its inception & 1514 protects Britain from the self-determination of the Islanders if it would disrupt British territorial integrity & national unity
Only the existence of a sovereignty dispute was noted in resolution 2065 & both Argentine & British governments were invited to find a peaceful solution by the UN General Assembly; Argentina chose war in 1982 & resolutions 1514/2065 have remained unresolved because of this
She obviously did not consult you? did she, before tsking out the advertisement, because you with you intimate knowledge and personal experience, would have advised het to place it in, yep! you guessed, the Telegraph!
Night all.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaezjE1uJTw
The letter that President Cristina Fernandez wrote to Camer-moron has had the desired effect. What??? you don't believe me?? Take a look!!!
Kirchner's Falklands demands are delusional and insulting
Some what lacking as headlines go ..........
Argentina's understanding of history 'laughable'
this one, hits the nail right on the head I think!!
Crass “diplomacy” from a third world dictator. It is actually becoming embarrassing now.
I love it!!! You can't make this s**t up!!
Her latest Falklands rant is an act of pathetic desperation that merely underscores the futility of her cause
This is pure comedy gold!!!
Yeah, and KFC / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy / Asslips Kirchner is SUCH a looker isn't she??
WOW!!! If I was married to that, I would be cracking one off the wrist every night!!! Just so's I couldn't Sh*g it!!!
Not only did she fall out of the ugly tree but she hit every single branch on the way down!!
She's got a face like a bulldog licking p*ss off a thistle!! Man KFC is ssssssoooo ugly that when her mum squeezed her out, I'll bet that the mid wife slapped her dad!!!
Do you think that KFC's mum and dad were brother and sister?
Is CFK working for Cameron?
Ja, Ja, Ja, do not make me laugh! If there is not a question of “sovereignty” the UN charter, how can colonize a country without recognizing their own territory where it exercises its sovereignty?
It seems that the UN has been wrong for decades according to this interpretation pirate, according to Resolutions 2065, 3160, 31/49, etc.. etc. etc.., which urges Parties: ARGENTINA and BRITAIN (not the islanders) to resolve the ISSUE OF SOVEREIGNTY (which is ultimately all that matters, like it or not like).
You're not gonna fool me with ridiculous words twisted in other words what you're saying is that Argentina should see the way to go peacefully relinquishing its sovereignty to the Malvinas Argentinas in talks with the lovable very kind Inca-the-bitch the framework of UN Resolution 1514. RIDICULOUS, is the opposite: It is clearly effective transfer of sovereignty to its own unique autentic: the Republic of Argentina.
No way, José. There is no UN resolution anywhere that a) excludes the islanders from negotiations b) requires negotiations on sovereignity and c) mandates as outcome a transfer of sovereignity to Argentina.
All the UN has asked for is a peaceful resolution of the dispute. A peaceful resolution in this context, might be for example, that Argentina finally recognises that 3000 islanders 400km away aren't a threat to the national manhood, although this is obviously a long term solution that requires an abandonment of propaganda and brainwashing in the education system.
This won't happen overnight, but reading comprehension would be a good place to start. Try some UN resolutions, for example.
57 Malvinero1
Yeah, and KFC / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy / Asslips Kirchner is SUCH a looker isn't she??
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA young: You are SOOO UGLY!
jose: The brits anti argentines in this forum,are useless unemployed....
Of course the UN recognizes a dispute...MALVINAS ARGENTINAS, Happy New year jose!
General Assembly Resolution 2065 merely notes a dispute over sovereignty between the governments of Argentina & Britain & invites Britain & Argentina to find a peaceful solution subject to bearing in mind three requirements, namely:
1. the provisions & objectives of the Charter of the United Nations
2. General Assembly Resolution 1514(XV)
3. the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas
Nota Bene: Article 73 of the UN Treaty states:
Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, & accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace & security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, &, to this end:
to ensure, with due respect for the culture of the peoples concerned, their political, economic, social, & educational advancement, their just treatment, & their protection against abuses;
to develop self-government, to take due account of the political aspirations of the peoples, & to assist them in the progressive development of their free political institutions, according to the particular circumstances of each
territory & its peoples & their varying stages of advancement;
Article 103 affirms in the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter & their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail
The UN ICJ always upholds its Charter
The only way that Argentina could ever achieve sovereignty over the Falkland Islands would be if the Islanders wished it. However, because Argentina has been aggressive to them, that is never going to happen. The United Nations will always respect the right of Self Determination (as Britain does), but Argentina denies these rights to the Islanders and in doing so, Argentina is forever cursed with never being able to obtain sovereignty. The Falkland Islands will be a permanent embarrassment for every Argentine government, until they learn that it is better to try and entice the Islanders with friendship, than to attack them and bully them.
Hand back Patagonia to its INDIGENOUS population, OR
... re-write history so you can pretend it didnt happen,...
pretend that you didnt massacre its indigenous people or pretend that you colonised their lands...
guess what Argentina, South Americas greatest coloniser, will chose to do?
Thanks Malvinero1, Happy New Year to you too.
What must have patience with these usurpers-pirates-invaders-OF-SHIT-No?
“the United Nations Treaty requires the transfer of power to the islanders.”
63
Let's see what Resolution 2065 (summarized because otherwise cut):
“Considering that Resolution 1514 is inspired by the cherished aim of ending colonialism everywhere and in all its forms, in one of which fits the case of the Malvinas Isles, the General Assembly invited governments Argentina and the United Kingdom to pursue without delay the negotiations ..... with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the United Nations Charter and of Resolution 1514 as well as the INTEREST of the POPULATION ”(NOT WISH)“ of the Malvinas Islands.”
In other words: “Let's stop FUCK and see mode Transfer the sovereignty”
Remeber when Dr Kohen,professor of int Law,explained in this forum,to the brits crooks? It is useless with these prick,at least 90% in this forum..Happy year,Jose!
a) a sovereignty dispute exists between Argentina & Britain
b) that resolution 1514 applies to the case of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas
c) the GA invites the governments of Argentina & Britain to pursue negotiations to find a peaceful solution to the problem
bearing in mind:
d) the provisions & objectives of the Charter of the United Nations
e) General Assembly Resolution 1514(XV)
f) the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas
You say only f) applies
In post # 63 I explain that the negotiated solution to the problem agreed between Argentina & Britain must be consistent with d), that is Article 73 regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories
Transfer of sovereignty to Argentina &the modalities thereof is only the Argentine side's political objective for the outcome of the negotiations excluding the terms of d) & e); in particular, it is the opinion of the Argentine Junta under Galtieri
Remember, according to e) the peaceful solution must, as you agree, take due regard of resolution 1514 which declares: “Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or color, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.”
Remember, in 1945, 1961 and 1965 the Islands population were subject to unfair undemocratic British colonial rule and its removal was required by the UN Treaty which is why the UN Charter and resolution 1514 covers the case of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas
There were negotiations to find a peaceful solution in line with UN Resolution 2065 between Argentina & Britain but Argentina terminated negotiation in 1982, initiated hostilities & lost
No new negotiations is Argentina's fault
I know they always exist but they can't offer anything new or concrete, not one actual indisuptable fact. Every 'fact' they do offer up can so easily be disproven that it is almost embarrassing to read their flailing around.
Quibbling over single words or sentences in decades old UN resolutions is salving when they realise the the UN Charter not only supercedes this but will over rule anything. Hearing it from the UN Secretary-General is conveniently forgotten.
After all Resolution 1514 talks about the interest of the population and not the wishes. How those interests would be served in Argentina is never discussed.
Self-determination is of course a pick and choose option. The UN can ask 615 Tokelauans what they want (twice) but for some reason the Falklanders can't be asked.
Documentation held by the Argentine government that disproves their claims is also quickly overlooked. And when faced with British documentation the topic usually turns to historical histories that have nothing to do with the issue.... or worse talking about the UK economy as if this suddenly changes everything.
Not much has changed in three years.
Interesting article about the Falklands, originally posted by Geoff Ward:
www.huffingtonpost.com/azeem-ibrahim/there-is-nothing-to-discu_b_525649.html
Posted in the Comments Section of the article, by ALEX VARGAS:
”Alex Vargas
0 Fans
01:45 AM on 04/11/2010
If the colonist want to be British let them go back home, if they want to be Argentine they can stay in Argentine as they are, I am in Canada facing probable deportation for not doing my papers, I don't think think they should be treated any different. I will like to ask this reporter if he considers Patagonian indians, people? according to him there was no people in Malvinas but history and evidence says diferent, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands the british in the Malvinas should be thankfull that they don't run the same fate as the Patagonian idnians.”
Written in 2010, before ALEX started posting as “PIRAT-HUNTER”
Yeah Pirat-hunter won't talk to me because he won't reply to homosexuals. I remind him whenever I reply to him though.
But it is so funny to watch them squirm and deflect so that people will discuss anything... ANYTHING other than Argentina's non-existent proof of sovereignty.
”Former Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana expressed his support for “keeping (the issue) high” on the agenda, insisting that “the British will sit to negotiate when they realize that not doing so will be the more costly option.” Taiana's was the sole vocal statement coming yesterday from the Argentine Foreign Ministry. Minister Timerman has been silent lately.“
I wonder what he means by, ”more costly option.”
A vieled threat? or just something lost in translation, I wonder?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20907312
Yes, I noted that but I think it's up there with 'we will sue any company or bank who deals with the oil industry on the Malvinas'.
In other words hot air out of TMBOA culo.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/120856/widespread-criticism-of-cfk-letter
That's basically the case closed from a legal perspective.
The problem being that, Argentina thinks they won!
You forgot to sign your letter:
“...And case is closed”
We can see your pain on this issue.
This is a key point. Islanders must insist in divulgating this fact in all the countries of the region: Chile, Urug, Brasil, etc.
It is a historical, undeniable and absolutely essential fact but remains totally unknown for the vast majority of people (including argies). Most probably islanders does not understand and even ignore this. But if they want more attention and support to their desires they must divulgate this extensively in south american countries. It's a crucial point and it will be very well understood for chileans, uruguayans, brazilians, paraguayans, etc. This is a perfect momment, when all are bored and tired of Argentina, and sick of their version of history.
Although both the Spanish and English versions appear in the Herald, both Clarin and La Nacion have run this story also, although the letter itself is only partly reproduced in these papers in English and in both cases covered by fairly extensive reportage. The readers comments are surprisingly mild on the story in most cases
So the claim tby the “malevos” on this site that the story would not be read by most Argentines is balderdash
So what results are to be anticipated?
1. An attack on the Heralds offices by Maximos Sturmtruppen La Campora, probably with Molotov cocktails
2.Closure of the paper by the govt using some excuse based on the Media law
3.Should the Herald own thier premises, immediate sequestration of the same without compensation on a trumped up excuse as happened last week with the sequestration of the Sociedad Rural Argentinas national showground and premises in BA
Probably all three.
This will upset almost the entire press which are very concerned about freedom of the press
The madam seems to have an uncanny knack of making enemies.
Happy New Year to both!!
“They are absolutely right. Never forget the usurpation of 1833.
”The Malvinas are Argentine.
The usurper country, Britain says they were before 1833 and the Falklands have always been British, then the list of SPANISH governors appointed by the government of Buenos Aires SPANISH:
1767-1773 F. Ruiz Puente
1773-1774 D. Chauri
1774-1777 F. Gil y Lemos and Taboada
1777-1779 R. Carassa and Souza
1779-1781 S. Medina and Juan
JM del Carmen Altolaguirre 1781-1783
FD 1783-1784 Montemayor
1784-1785 A. Figueroa
1785-1786 R. Clairac and Villalonga
P. 1786-1787 Table and Castro
1787-1788 R. Clairac and Villalonga
P. 1788-1789 Table and Castro
1789-1790 R. Clairac and Villalonga
1790-1791 JJ de Elizalde and Ustáriz
PP 1791-1792 Sanguineto
1792-1793 JJ de Elizalde and Ustáriz
PP 1793-1794 Sanguineto
1794-1795 J. Aldana and Ortega
PP 1795-1796 Sanguineto
1796-1797 J. Aldana and Ortega
L. 1797-1798 Medina and Torres
Viana and FX 1798-1799 Alzaibar
L. 1799-1800 Medina and Torres
Viana and FX 1800-1801 Alzaibar
1801-1802 R. Fernández de Villegas
1802-1803 B. of Bonavía
AL 1803-1804 Ibarra and Oxinando
1804-1805 B. of Bonavía
AL 1805-1806 Ibarra and Oxinando
1806-1808 B. of Bonavía
1809-1810 G. Bondas
PG Martinez 1810-1811
After the emancipation of America become independent countries inherited the territorial limits they had before emancipation, then Argentine governors appointed by the Argentine government of Buenos Aires.
1820-1821 D. Jewett
1821-1821 W. Mason
P. 1824-1824 Areguati
L. 1829-1832 Vernet
1832-1832 JF Mestivier
JM 1832-1833 Pinedo
Never Malvinas were res nullius, as pirates said thieves. It also showed that the Falklands has always depended on the government of Buenos Aires. During all these years (66) had no English in the Malvinas Islands and Argentina Spain first and then “reigned” in the entire archipelago, without complaint from any country. ”
Face1354@hotmail.com
Just so you know.
I am going out on a limb here, an say maybe two and explain please, why would one of them ask for British permission to go there?
Dear madam President.
May I respectfully suggest that you immediately takes steps to have the senate appoint Governors for the Moon and Mars. As you well know, there is historic precedence for this and I would further suggest that this would place beloved Argentina in a legal positon to claim sovereignty of them, when other nations settle them for us!
“The usurper country, Britain says they were before 1833 and the Falklands have always been British, then the list of SPANISH governors appointed by the government of Buenos Aires SPANISH:”
“1767-1773 F. Ruiz Puente”
Britain settled the Falkland Islands in 1766, prior to the Spanish settlement and claimed it in 1690. Britain like many countries did not accept that the world could be carved up by the pope in favour of the Spanish and Portuguese.
The pope was not the UN.
Spain is not Argentina.
Spain gave up her claim to the Falkland Islands with an official visit saluting the Union Jack well after 1833.
”During all these years (66) had no English in the Malvinas Islands and Argentina Spain first and then “reigned” in the entire archipelago, without complaint from any country. ”
Raul, are you being serious?
1778 – a large number of ‘maruading‘ sealers, American and British, are noted by the Spanish force at Soledad.
1783 – Captain Frost in the General Knox, hunts seals at the Falklands.
1786 – Lt. Thomas Edgar in the whaler, Hope, surveys Falkland Sound.
1787 – the British whaling ship Amelia, under Captain James Shields, visits the Falkland Islands.
1788– British ships visiting the Falklands and South Georgia include the Lucas, under Captain William Aiken, the Intrepid, under Captain John Leard and the Quaker under Shadrick Kearn. Thomas Delano in the Lord Hawksworth leaves South Georgia with a full cargo of seal furs.
1790 – October 28th, Britain and Spain sign the Nootka Sound Convention
1791 – Captain Eckstein in the whaler, Sydenham, visits the Falkland Islands. South Georgia is visited by Captain Cook in the London, William Clark in the Sparrow and Christopher Horner in Astrea. Captain Eckstein in the whaler, Sydenham, hunts near the Falkland
(Thanks to a previous poster today-there is more to come Raul as it won't all fit on one post).
They just don't seem to get arguments, and how to construct them.
It would make it so much more challenging or interesting if they replied to challenges to their arguments. The usual response to a reply is total silence( where you might expect some further researchand a counter challenge ) or' some crap like Ja Ja ja ja English pirates go home'
They are just behaving like all deniers behave, when they are faced with the truth. They just can not cope with the alternative and think if they lie to themself enough, it will change to what they want it to be.
Normal people just accept it has such and get on with it.
BTW wasnt there a self styled King of Patagonia once , a Frenchman to be sure, who issued decrees in his own name? Perhaps the Falklanders should be talking to his descendants. Oh dear see he has renounced his claim so no go
The last British possesion in continental France (Calais) was lost in the time of Queen Mary 1st yet the following monarchs still claimed the crown of France and included the fleur de lis on the royal coat of arms. I think this continued until about 1780 in the riegn of George 111. A bit like striking a special Argentine coin for the Malvinas perhaps?
So on this basis UK DEMANDS ( to use Kspeak) the return of France and while they are at it, the United Provinces of the Netherlands (William IV) and Hanover also (George 1st)
So you see how hollow and facile your publication of a list of paper governors is. Which of the ones on your extensive list were specifically mentioned as being govenors of Les Isles Malouines, Falklands or Malvinas? DO TELL US
They're just morons, and it's no wonder their economy is forked.
You can always spot the real Argentines though: they are polite, reasoning and capable of following real history - not the propaganda version promulgated by CFK and other Argentine governments.
The problem here is not with Argentines, it is with desperate populist Argentine Governments.
It is the Argentine Governments who have deliberated chosen a conflict with the Islanders, rather than a partnership.
It is the Argentine Government who spews revisionist & wholly false history, not the Argentine people.
It is the Argentine Government who lies, obfuscates, deceives and fawns; all in the effort to distract from its failing popularity.
D'ont make this a nationalist issue, because it isnt: its just yet one more failing Argentine politician desperate to gain favor with the masses.
And finally: all the history of the falklands is now irrelevant: until anybody can legally prove at the ICJ that the Islanders do not ahve the right to self-determination then its *tough luck CFK*.
Saying “they dont” doesnt count, go prove it in court THEN come back: until then everybody in the real democratic world will assume, and act as though, they do have that right.
Learn to live with it...everything else is hot air.
I learned to live with it a long time ago, they apparently didn't.
They were voted in by blocks of vote purchased for a box of food and some pesos.
The curse of the Argentine political system and the ease of vote-rigging is not a reason to despise a nation's population: if you do you are nothing more than a xenophobe and racist.
Cast your darts at the government, not the people, or find yourself classed in the same type of person as CFK or the malvos on this forum.
The issue here is that someone is ultimately responsible for the creation of a political and socio-cultural system that says corruption, lies, coercion and theft are acceptable.
So in your opinion, who is responsible for the current actions of the argentines? and should they start another War of Aggression, who would be responsible then? No one, I presume.
The people apparently want to be ruled by filthy corrupt animals that shouldn't be managing a lemonade stand much less a country and most of them should be in jail or put against a wall. Yet over and over again you get a bunch of hoodlums stealing vast fortunes while the population gets poorer by the day.
They MUST see how wacky CFK is, how much money she steals, how terribly stupid and corrupt her minions are, so again I say what is the general population doing about it? Nothing! So again are they dumb or just lazy?
It takes a lot of work to make a country so rich in resources poor. A lot of work! Yet time goes by and the country gets lower on the GDP list. It is sad and I definitely blame the general population. It is their fault for letting it happen.
They get what they deserve.
In the case of Argentina, they either voted, or abstained from voting because they felt the system was rigged. Their responsibility is then either to accept they voted a crypto-fascist into power, they voted against a crypto-fascist or allowed other people to vote a crypto-fascist into power. If they felt this was wrong, then it's up to them to engage in thoreauvian civil disobedience. Bar a bit of looting, no one seems to be doing that.
The people are ultimately responsible for their governments, either through their choice of action or inaction. The Argentines were culpable for the 1982 War of Aggression, and they're they're responsible for their current government.
I agree.
The privilege of living in a democracy is tempered with the responsibility that the people (or voting public) must assume. It is the duty of the citizen to ensure that their elected officials act correctly.
It appears that the Argentine population just shrug their shoulders and accept corruption as a way of life. Until the people get off their backsides and decide for themselves how they want their country to be, then it does become their fault, and their responsibility to fix. You reap what you sow.
So if you sow bad politicians by voting them in, then the consequences are that you will reap a bad, corrupt government.
KFC certainly does not fear the people of Argentina, so they need to have a good hard think about what precisely is governing them and ultimately they are responsible for the bed they have made.
[1] www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/when-governments-fear-people-there-libertyquotation
It is a sad and very messed up country.
They lack hope and don't know what to do about it.
The smart and upper middle class have the ability to escape but the rest are just miserable people living in fear watching their savings disappear.
I get emails from friends all the time asking if I can help them get a visa to come to the USA and unfortunately for them the answer is no.
I was reading an article today about the “blue” U$ exchange, this alone should be enough for nightly protests and it floors me that the people just accept the misery and try to work around it. So does that mean they are lazy or dumb? I would really like to know.
Unions are typically a democratised movement that represents the workers rights, when confronted by those of a more powerful organisation. This is often a necessary exhibition of democracy, but they typically manifest socialist with often communist leanings.
Peronism is not socialist, it's ultimately right-wing. So why the hell are these socialists keeping 'the third way' parties in power, causing pain to ultimately themselves? From my high level viewpoint it seems nonsensical.
Surely if people are so left-wing crazy, they'd be better kicking out the Front for Fail and getting themselves some socialists instead.
They're clearly uneducated in any kind of political philosophy or thought.
news.sky.com/story/1033203/argentinians-burn-sun-in-row-over-falklands
'Falkland Islanders Hit Back At Argentina'
news.sky.com/story/1033203/falkland-islanders-hit-back-at-argentina
'Falklands: Britain condemns luxury cruise 'intimidation' amid fresh protests'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9780947/Falklands-Britain-condemns-luxury-cruise-intimidation-amid-fresh-protests.html
'UK denounces 'intimidation' British tourists in the Falklands'
www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2013/01/04/internacional/1357317457.html
Liked the picture of the clown in fatigues burning The Sun and a paper Union Jack.
He looks like a complete moron and acts like one, so I would imagine he IS ONE.
There is no hope for this section of the AG society, is there?
chuckle chuckle
BTW where is our resident sage from Chubut aka Think?
'BTW where is our resident sage from Chubut aka Think?'
Maybe 'Think' is the fat guy burning the flag?
Yeah, what a cheap skate, he couldn't even be bothered getting a REAL flag.
Talk about half a job.
Memo from Momma to Maximo.
What the hell do you call that? I said burn flags not bumper stickers!!!
and why the hell wasn't this letter published by Clarin? Really junior, must I do everything myself.
What the antagonistic people here seem incapable of learning is that if you hate an entire nation for their governments actions then you do nothing but breed animosity, resentment and populate the ranks of those who condemn you. YOU do that, not them. YOU.
Its all very high & mighty to say “Its their fault” but its often nothing to do with reality.
How much of the UK supported Blair's decision to go to war with Iraq? Bet your ass it wasnt a majority, and what happened, did the UK population as a whole stop that government doing as it wished? No it didnt - so everyone one of you is morally culpable for a war started on the basis of deliberately doctored reports and fake fears of WMD, morally and politically bankrupt in every aspect.
Not such a great stance now is it?
It is utterly naive and completely short-sighted to stand there screaming “all Argentines are XYZ” - it never will be true and it will only ever breed a situation where YOU recruit for those who would oppose you. it is YOU who stir up hatred, it is you who convince fence-sitters that the facts are unimportant compared to nationalistic feelings, it is you who convince the neutrals to take the other side, it is you who convince the rest of Latam that the UK is arrogant and colonial...because that is precisely how you act.
And all the time you think you are bigging it up over the malvos? sheesh.
You are doing exactly what you keep laughing at CFK for: Shooting yourself in the foot because you cant reign back on the nationalist rhetoric.
And somewhere in that breeding ground of animosity and nationalistic contempt you seem to think you are doing the Falkland Islanders a big favour.
Make your point without the bullshit rhetoric and anti-Argentine “we hate you all” self-defeating claptrap.
If you cant you dont deserve to call yourself British.
Every expert in international law interprets that.Self det,nOt applicable in the MAlvinas case. Wrong Again.
“British judge of the court, Dame Rosalyn Higgins, wrote: ”Attractive an aphorism though [self-determination] is, it still has to be said that the territorial issue does come first. Until it is determined where territorial sovereignty lies, it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have a right to self- determination” (Dame Rosalyn Higgins, Problems and Process - International Law and How We Use It, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1994).“
The jurist Rosalyn Higgins President of ICJ arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: ”No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentinas acquiescence.“ 1
1. Rosalyn Higgins, ”Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.
Rosalyn Higgins is the former President of the International Court of Justice. She was the first female judge elected to the ICJ, and was elected President in 2006. Her term of office expired on 6 February 2009
They were arbitrarily incorporated into Argentina as they refused to do military parades on Sunday in I think 1901 which abrogated their agreement of 1865 with the RRG govt that thier language, church and way of life should be protected. Yet another instance of Argentina not abiding by thier signed and binding agreements so nothing new
Apparently you also think people that 'mix it up a bit' have no place in this world, are redundant and having not attended the type of educational establishment that has a debating society, you don't see the value in thinking from all sides of an argument.
Finally, FYI 95% of South Americans exclusively speak spanish and/or portuguese. Chileans and Uruguayans are the only people who are really outgoing and modern enough to see the value in the English language, and they are unlikely to get a rise out of everything that is written here. The few Argentines in attendance are so cognitively broken when they arrived that I doubt we turned them into nationalistic stalwarts.
Hope you got all that.
It would be to go against Holy Writ to agree with the other side.
From an UK perspective, we hear all the pronouncements FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT, about the UK militarising the S.A with nuclear weapons - blatant lies.
We heard a speech from your defense minister that the only thing preventing Argentina from taking the Falklands was the UK force stationed there.
We see burning British flags, attacks on tourist offices with your police watching and doing nothing.
Your reference to the IRAQ war omits the fact that about one million people took to the streets to protest against it.
In1982,crowds took to the streets in BA to cheer the invasion of the Falklands, not to protest against it.
We get regular insults against the hated Anglos, the worst nation on Earth, responsible for every crime known to man, etc.
Maybe we, as adults should turn the other cheek but human nature is not like that. We assume that the Argentinians posting here are expressing the opinions of the population at large and reply in kind.
Think on this, you are a Falkland islander who daily hears threats and demands from your government that the islands should be handed over to them. They are told by the posters on your side that they should either except their lot or go back to the UK. although their descendants go back 6 generations.
How would you feel? I would feel extremely worried unless I had someone on my side - well they have !
As I have said several times, it is a form of baiting which gets out of hand.
Burns night coming up soon. Enjoy your haggis tatties and neeps!
Thanks and good year, Raul!
I recognize that comment that shows the full exercise of sovereignty over the entire archipelago of the Islas Malvinas Argentinas, first by Spain and Argentina immediately after.
As some of these intruders think is fantastic, was not included for reasons of space, the degree (high) of the marines of the Spanish Armada that ruled continuously for periods from Puerto Soledad, which, of course, after the encroachment the “british” appoint him again as Port San Luis was founded Louis Antoine de Bouginville.
In relation to this character, a descendant of him, Count Francois de Bougainville, said in 1982:
“Argentina is the rightful heir of the Spanish Crown and so, the archipelago”, adding: “consider legitimate holders of the Falklands are British, is to say that the Queen of England can exercise sovereignty in New York” .
Sds!
You any idea how utterly, utterly pathetic that sounds!
It's not the problem of the translator: it IS the problem of AG in that the indoctrination of the populace and children, so I suppose that includes you, still cannot face the reality of the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you pratts).
YOU and TMBOA et al ARE the problem.
Glad to have put you right on that.
Jan 04th, 2013 - 04:45 pm
Mate I am with Anbar on this.
Firstly the Nazis claimed that they had a mandate for what they did in the 1930s and 1940s from the German people. The fact that they did away with free elections following the 1933 vote nulls and voids this claim I reckon but that is just my opinion.
Secondly I personally think that Ted Heath was a traitor and a scoundrel for deliberately misleading the British people into voting yes to membership of the EEC back in 1973 by leaving out imprtant details such as the planned, slide stage by stage into EU federalism. I wasn't old enough to vote at the time so how could I be held responsible for the actions of those that could?
Thirdly I think that attacking the Argentine people is counter productive. There are pleanty of them on the fence and plenty of them who know the truth but if you alienate them they will always come down against you. That is politics I know but it is also a fact of life.
... it just shows ignorance.
“Hmm! the case of Argentina V British Falkland Islands. Well we'll allocate one day for hear that hearing then”
If you respect the Chileans, and tha Yanks, there is no reason you cannot respect the Argentines. Return their islands!
She could suprise us, but the Libertard in port will undoubtedly lead to ant-Falkland rhetoric-“They said we would not return the Libertard, they said we will not get Islas Falklands. but here we have the Libertard and next we will win Islas Falklands.”
Meanwhile back in real land, the Libertard will only be seen along the Argentine coast.........and mostly in port.
And we will get another laugh at her expense.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
VIVA CRISTINA!
So it would seem that Britain has taken everything by force does it. Wonder how Argentina became what it is. Oh pardon me for even thinking it but did not Argentina kill of the indigenous people the actual people that first settled that lans. Did Not Argentina steel land from their neighbours.
Not really sure what qualifies you to actually sugest otherwise.
One thing is crystal clear to the World is that The people who came and settled the Falkland Islands were people who wanted to find a new life in a distant place. The Falkland Islands was bare of all people and therefore was legally right that these pioneers make it their home.
There is an Argentine myth that the people of the Falklands were implanted. It is total rubbish and your government knows it. But then again when someone wants to steel your homeland then of course they will oinvent many lies to achieve their aim. Unfortunatly for The Argentines the Falkland Island people have a very solid case and one that is unblemished as they did not kill anyone to aquire what they have.
This claim has been going on for many years and many have lost their lives over it. Pointless to say the least but rest assured the people of the Islands will not cow down to any CFK bullying. Remember in 1982 Argentina was given a thrashing for attempting to take our homeland by force. Also remember that our society believe in the right of self determination and nothing in the world can change it but the very people who make that statement and believe me it is not going to change anytime soon so Argentina had better get used to it.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
The guy who wrote the article, claims to be a PhD candidate, and seems to have written another badly edited piece for the new statesman on the same issue sans the comedic imagery [1]. He says ”For Britons, the legal status of the islands is an open-and-shut case: Britain has no legal right to the islands. This has been reiterated at the General Assembly.” Well, that's clearly just utter nonsense, showing a complete lack of factual knowledge and massive bias.
There are some pretty dreadful quality articles out there, and new statesman appears to be printing them all. Desperate times.
[1] www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2012/03/argentina-britain-islands-oil
Alex you know the slogan “The Mounties always get thier man” and sooner or later you will be deported with a free ticket to Buenos Aires. There you will have two alternatives:
a Join La Campora
b Forage for food in the municipal rubbish tips
#139 everyone has their own opinion, I am not here to read your as much as I am here to promote mine.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
#140 do you think you can find someone who you don't know is there? In any case I choose option C close down the UK, Canada and USA embassy and expropriate anything not made in Argentina, in exchange for the tax money I payed here in Canada,
Barrick gold sounds like a great and profitable place to start the expropriation process.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
she will fall soon,
talk to the people of argentine,
not the indocrinoughts.
“Join La Campora”
He is already La Campora, albeit an unpaid impotent member.
Before he cleaned up his FB pages, there were many images and references to La Campora, La Campora Juvenil, and their propaganda rallies and events.
He seems to speak from the same script of NA and UK “race crimes” as the other trolls that are moronic fanatics
surprise he pays Canadian taxes. Isnt that against your Argentine principles Alex me lad?
I knew that sooner or later our alex was going to bring up the subject of Barrick gold , a Canadian company and probably next on Crisinas hit list for expropiation. I dont like what Barrick are doing but thier mine straddles the frontier between Argentina and Chile. No problem for our wee gommeril Alex. He would of course invade Chile to take it over being the dumbcluck he is
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
#143 support for a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina was my idea, la campora are light years away from being hable to lunch a revol front.
#144 when inflation hits 50% I hope. Argentina brings the tax on imports to 50% as cayman island does or at the very least moves from paper currency to gold coins.
#145 lol 14 assault to police should keep them cowards away, and I always pay what I intend to collect. Here in canada or in San Juan Argentina since the weapons restrictions order are only good in Canada, I think Argentina might be a better place for a thug like me to collect my tax money barrick gold is long away from home to do anything about a tax collectors in Argentina.
#146 what about the british firm, CFK didn't mention coca Cola or YPF and you don't hear us complain, what so special about slaves who name themselves after a british corporate. Ho no, how do I dear to forget that I am talking about britards. Lol
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
what are you smoking, you moron??
None of your post makes any sense.
Did the other kids call you a 'retard' in school??
Cruel, but They certainly should have.
Vaughn Rd. - aka “the Jungle” LOL
:-D
Britain Threatens Nuclear Attack on Argentina: How little islands are causing big problems…again
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
Would be laughable crap, but it is part of “the Big Lie” and therefore it needs to be properly refuted with the Truth.
You are now officially as stupid as PH ALEX VARGAS !!!
Hi Danny
www.inquisitr.com/461344/adolf-hitler-died-in-a-cushy-argentina-hotel-in-1965-according-to-new-documentary/
Your reply to ”#143 support for a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina was my idea, la campora are light years away from being hable to lunch a revol (SIC) front.”
Can you tell me why you think 'light years' is a long time, if you think it so that is?
You may think that calling people “paedo-faggots” somehow demeans them and strengthens your point at the same time.
As an openly proud and out gay male, or faggot if you prefer, I am highly offended that you choose to equate my sexuality with paedophilia to make some point.
You perpetuate a myth or assumption that homosexuals have a higher tendency or preponderance for paedophilia when this is totally unfounded.
I have had this post (and several others over the past month) removed, which means that your poor choice of insult has meant everything you had to say has been lost.
Saddly the successive governments of Argentina have never been able to run their Country that would bennifit their own people and as a result those people consistantly rise up against the Governments in power.
Untill a more mature people take control of the situation Argentina will always us the Falklands issue or Chille as a means to divert real internal issues from boiling over. Clearly this has never worked and always the leaders fall one way or another.
That is why we Falkland Islanders know that we will always be on the list of diversions.
Falkland Islanders are among some of the finest world leaders around , never war mongering, but intelligant enough to run a very successful economy. That is where the real problem exists.
Argentina who refuses to acknowledge that we even exist is also extremely annoyed that we as a people and small country in the southern region have been so very successful.
When the oil eventually flows our Country will be one of the richest per capita on the planet but it does not mean that we will become even more greedy and violant.
Violance and aggression never wins and Argentina really needs to address those two principles first.
Jan 05th, 2013 - 11:23 am
Mate I am afraid that you have to skip past Conq's posts he is unremitting and is as bad as the worst of the Malivinistas.
Conqueror is a retired old fashioned copper (from his past posts).
He abuses anybody and everybody irrespective.
No-one with half-a-brain on the Brits, Americans, etc. gives a damn what you are (as long as it is not compulsory :o) ) so just forget him, he is not worth it.
The “paedo” comment IS totally out of order however.
“Argentina Bomb them day an night”
You have to be over the target to drop bombs which is not very likely is it?
but...Conqueror , redpoll , DannyBerger ... are your other names.
Tinx how many others do you have?????
My reply #116 was directed to ANBAR at #112
Like you, I was in favour of the first Gulf war and thought we should have gone on and finished the job BUT it looked too much like a slaughter. We should have stayed out the second time but George W was trying to impress his dad and Saint Tony liked the idea of being a “world Statesman”.
I presume you meant to say invaded Kuwait.
At my advanced years, I think it is about time we “butted out” of being part of a world police force and stay out of regional conflicts unless we have defense treaties with the countries involved.
It costs British lives, large sums of money and we get nothing out of it. The Falklands is a British problem and we are duty bound to do something about it.
The middle east can blow themselves to Hell as far as I am concerned.
Anyway I digress. No, I will not be celebrating.
I never see the point of Burn's Suppers and I am not jingoistic by
nature. I am neither proud or ashamed of being Scottish.
I like or dislike people, not races.
Ha ha love the Dumkopf
She is sacrificing her own country,
For a land that don’t want her,
Still,
What does she care?
It’s only your country she is ruining,
Is it not..
Clyde15 = Isolde .
Clyde15 = Isolde. Is this some form of new mathematical equation ?
This one has gone over my head !
Clyde15 = Isolde: Mornington Crescent.
I bet that has it confused: Bot intelligence is an oxymoron.
you cannot miss out baker street!
Tinker also has a split personality and will shortly be posting under the soubriquets of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, mostly the latter I think as he was the bad guy
Is THAT what you call them? :o)
LOLs
I'm not a fan but she showed great strength during the Falklands War, totally whipped Argentina and had morality, legitimacy, UN resolutions and an incomparably professional fighting force in her armoury.
Mrs Thatcher is played my Meryl Streep in the film. If CFK had appeared in the film then she would have been played by Margaret Hamilton aka the Wicked Witch in The Wizard of Oz!
ha ha.
OH! What an awful mental picture that conjures up.
Mind you, the Sun photographer would need a few weeks notice to have the structural steel fabricated to keep her sagging tits from lying on the floor!
that isnt anything like i think, indeed you've done exactly what people criticize the argentine sock-puppets of doing: going of on a total tangent without any reference to what was written.
Again reinforcing my point and the hypocrisy of some of the 'British' posters on here.
it is total arrogance and xenophobia that suggests that nobody in Argentina that can read this site will ever be anything other than a malvinista and CFK supporter.
that is total bollocks sunbeam... its a piss-poor escuxe to condone xenophobia bordering on outright racism and going out of ones way to antagonise all Argentines.
If you think thats a good way to do things then i'm going to call you and anybody else on it whenever you are hypocritical and xenophobic..just like you do with the malvos.
there is, quite simply, no need for it.... and whats FAR worse it makes the idiot like vargas and gust (heck even nostro) quite correct in what they say...and that's frightening.
Good post.
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