Thursday, January 3rd 2013 - 21:51 UTC

“The Falkland Islands remain free to choose their own futures”, FCO tells Argentina

A day after Argentine President Cristina Fernández sent an open letter to be published as an advert in several UK newspapers calling on PM David Cameron’s government to re-open negotiations over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands, the UK responded: “the Islanders remain free to choose their own futures.”

A copy of the request was also anticipated to Ban Ki-moon

Cristina Fernández sent the letter on Wednesday, which was published Thursday in some of the UK’s biggest national newspapers, on the 180th anniversary of the day the UK allegedly took over the disputed archipelago.

The strong-worded letter addressed to PM Cameron and copied to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said: “Argentina was forcibly stripped of the Malvinas Islands, which are situated 14,000 km from London, in a blatant exercise of 19th century colonialism.”

On Thursday the UK’s Foreign Office responded, pulling back the focus of the issue to the rights of the Islanders themselves, referring back to the UK’s response to the United Nations General Assembly at the beginning of last year.

An FCO spokesperson said: “The people of the Falklands are British and have chosen to be so.

“They remain free to choose their own futures, both politically and economically, and have a right to self-determination as enshrined in the UN Charter. This is a fundamental human right for all peoples.

“There are three parties to this debate, not just two as Argentina likes to pretend. The Islanders can’t just be written out of history.

“As such, there can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the Islanders so wish”, concluded the FCO.
 

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1 Anglotino (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
UN Charter
Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2

“To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples”

Enough said really!
2 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
@1 I think you've said enough.
3 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
Thank you CFK. Really, we couldn't generate such good press ourselves. Come on March and the internationally recognised referendum where we will exercise our right to democracy and self-determination.

Thanks again to the UK Government for its strong stance on the issue. We won't forget.
4 reality check (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:22 pm Report abuse
That guy standing next to Dave, is he the bloke that the RG's have difficulty comprehending?

You know, he says one thing, they hear something else!

Think it's called Moon Syndrome.
5 Shed-time (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
That's Banksy (Moon)

He's looking upset because the UN Corrupt Annexation Committee want to give Dokdo Islands back to Japan.

He'll get over it.
6 Pete Bog (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
The UK could discuss the UN resolutions with Argentina.......
1/-The Islanders don't want independence yet, but this is what we've done to give them more autonomy since 1982. What has Argentina done to give the Islands more Independence? Nothing? Oh let's move on.
2/- We are taking the interests of the Islanders into account , what are you doing to take the interests of the Islanders into account? Oh nothing again, let's move on.
3/-This resolution has to be discussed taking into account the provisions of the UN Charter. But as you don't believe in those provisions you are technically against this resolution-shall we meet again next year to give you idiots an opportunity to understand the wording?

And can you please bone up on your history, not the fantasy stuff from never never land.

Simples. Argentina will never agree to the provisions of the resolution, as it only requests the participants to talk and asks for a peaceful resolution-it does not suggest Argentine sovereignty.
7 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
In UK they can do as they wish. But Islas Malvinas Argentina is not in UK is it?
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
Did UK gived the Romanian gypsy's self determination in UK? Why would we now give the British gypsy's refuge in Argentina?
8 Brasileiro (#) Jan 03rd, 2013 - 11:47 pm Report abuse
Free? Persons are free, Intitutions are free too, but, weak in someplaces. Falklands need strong institutions, but far to the englishs, because our SA is romantic, romains, strongers, masoquistas, preserved identity, the last flower of the Lácio, but too, friendly, open market for ours. I dont know, but is there....forever
9 Anglotino (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 12:57 am Report abuse
Brasileiro that post made absolutely no sense.

Though if I get some jist of it, shall we recount the list of military governments of Brazil and Argentina in the past 200 years and compare those in Britain?

Which country has the stronger institutions now?
10 expbrit (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:59 am Report abuse
This article is a good read.

www.asiapacificms.com/articles/argentine_sovereignty/

My favourite bits are:

“... Vernet had the authority of the United Provinces of the River Plate. Argentina, as we know it today, did not yet exist; it came into being with the bloody conquest of Patagonia and the country assumed its present name in 1853.

”... It is, therefore, hard to take Argentina’s claims seriously. “Malvinas” is just a Spanish adaptation of the name the French gave the islands.
The Falklands, as the map shows, is an older name than “Malvinas,” and, apart from a brief and chaotic period in the 1820s when the mainland was also in turmoil following the collapse of Spain’s Latin American empire, no independent South American country ever tried to colonise the islands. Nor are there any known descendants of Vernet’s settlers living in Argentina today who can lay claims to some “ancestral homeland.”
Moreover, most Falkland families have lived on their islands longer than the vast majority of Argentine ones can claim to have been in their country. Argentina, too, is a country of settlers of mostly European descent.”
11 DanyBerger (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 06:12 am Report abuse
Rubbish and more rubbish Argentina will not get back those islands without a good fight... So lets be prepared for a good war...
12 Britishbulldog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 07:17 am Report abuse
11 DanyBerger!!!!!! What the fuck are you on? You morons tried that once we even gave you prime position by letting you take up positions to defend your so called right to those Islands and your country still got the shit kicked out of them and were turfed of them with our size twelve boot up your arse's.

That was when Argentina had some sort of military might ( well you all thought you did anyway) I guess you found out the hard way that there is always a bigger bully in the playground that does not give a shit when push comes to shove.

So bring it on Dany boy prepare you finest boys and girls for a war, strut your stuff act like peacocks while the rest of us look on in amazement at your feeble country's attempt to be some sort of player in the real world. But remember this!!! The next time your country comes knocking at the door with an agenda for war we wont be stopping at the Falkland Islands we will come knocking on your shores something that we should have done in 82 and we will make sure there is no where for you people to hide, it will be that bad you people will be on your knees begging to become British as we kick you up the arse's

You want to know what war looks like, think its big to threaten another country with war do you? Well Dany boy I am up for it like I was the last time so bring it on lets finish it once and for all bring all your best mates and as many as you like and I will bring a couple of mine lets see who is last man standing shall we.
13 DanyBerger (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 09:52 am Report abuse
@Britishbulldog

Don’t worry wars are good for the economy and also a good opportunity to test new weapons.

Tell me how did you know that your Royal Navy have a weakness and could be sunk so easily?

Yeap! Thanks to Argies pilots that sunk many UK ships.

Can you see?

Ok some people die in the process but people will die anyway and for many stupid reasons so why don’t to give them a good patriotic reason to die and be remembered for so many years?

Tell me who is not proud to have a grand dad who fought in WWII and killed so many enemies?
Eh!

If we didn’t have WWII how many of our grand dads now will be not remembered or even worse they are remembered as Grand Dad the drunk, goo for nothing homeless, etc.

Then think you are having a serious problem with unemployment, so are you going to waste this opportunity to have a really bloody war with the Argies and bring this nasty unemployment numbers down?

Ok, Ok I know 10.000 Brits less in your statistics will not produce and impressive result but remember baby steps are some time much better than adult running.

Oh! Bbdog you are disappointing me you don’t need to bring any mine or something like that.

Just give me you address in UK and I will visit you I’m close to go back to Europe in March do you have something to do in March?
14 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:12 am Report abuse
DB
You returned those Mirages to Peu yet? You know the ones. The ones they gave you to replace those aircraft shot down sinking those British ships.

I do not expect you have, you never give anything back, I stand corrected. You probably returned the wings, but kept the fuselages. That's how you operate, isn't it? I believe you call it restructuring?

Oh! and those brave ships! they have been replaced by better types by the way, how is it going replacing your aircraft?
15 malicious bloke (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:21 am Report abuse
Lol RGs coming back for the hattrick?

Your previous military dictatorships were too shit at fighting wars to present much of a challenge, how do you think a denuded military equipped with 1980s french army surplus is going to achieve this? Keep dreaming.
16 Usurping Pirate (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:39 am Report abuse
To the parents of PIrat Hunter :
Please unblock the child filters on little Pirats computer , so he can look at pictures of naked women ( or boys ) .
His frustrations need an outlet , and the posters on this forum are getting a tad bored with his incessant drivel brought on by this frustration .
17 Anbar (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 11:21 am Report abuse
“”“”“In UK they can do as they wish. But Islas Malvinas Argentina is not in UK is it?
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
Did UK gived the Romanian gypsy's self determination in UK? Why would we now give the British gypsy's refuge in Argentina?”“””

why wont you (hahaha - I mean real Argentines) give self-determination to Patagonia.

oh, yeah, you wiped them all out in a colonial expansion by Argentina that involved rather a lot of genocidal pogroms.

funny old thing.
18 Pete Bog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
@11
“Argentina will not get back those islands without a good fight... So lets be prepared for a good war...”

That is the only way Argentina can get the islands as your claim lacks legality, but do you really want to be embarrassed again?

Still, I am sure the Brit troops will be scared stiff to see the Libertard sailing towards the Falklands, and your 1980s vintage flight optimistically hoping to get within 400 miles of the Falklands without doing submarine impressions.

I won't warn you of the infantry you will be up against, but they'll give you a very warm reception if you pop your head above the shallow depression in the ground you will be kissing unless you fly the standard white flag issued to all Argentine forces in their ration packs.
19 Pirate Love (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
@11 ”prepared for a good war...” ......involving argentina? seriously?
brief sea exchange at best.

but i really do hope argentina make that mistake, just remember one thing HM Forces are a completely different animal than in 82 :))), for argentinas non existent forces good luck but you will find pots and pans will be ineffective against such superior might let alone the threat you dont see ;)))) as i have read previously this time around the argentine people do need to feel the effects of war right outside their front door with a few cruise missiles, something they have never experienced, that way they will not be too quick to wage any war if they know the consequences, regardless if they believe they can hide under the S.A umbrella. Dany you Should really give peace a chance, warmongerer :)))

SELF DETERMINATION, All day Every day!
20 gustbury (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
Islanders can be whatever they want to be ,but the land is Argentina.I believe the parasites that live on the islands are also Argentines like it or not!! greetings
21 Gordo1 (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
The letter was only published in The Guardian but its content was reported in other newspapers. The Guardian is not widely read as its politics, views and opinions meet with the disapproval of the great majority of the British people.
22 Pete Bog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
@20
There is no sensible evidence that it is Argentinian land, as every historical claim made by Argentina can be countered by another.

If the land is Argentinian it is suprising that there is no Argentine flag flying on the Falklands and that the primary language there is not Spanish
23 Raven (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
@ 11 DanyBerger

Are you seriously saying that over 900 people dying, just for the status quo to remain the same isn't good enough for you?

Are you seriously in belief that more people dying is a good thing?

If you are, then please put yourself in the front of the queue, after all, if you believe in a cause so passionately, you should be prepared to be the first one to die for it shouldn't you? and everyone else can remember those who died in 1982 instead.

Go mount your own invasion if you like, there are fields there marked with the sign 'MINES'. It is the perfect place in the middle of those fields for you to set up your forward operating base...
24 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
Oh yeah and do not forget to make sure your Mk 1 Mine Detectors are laced up tight. They will make it easier to pick up all your toes.
25 Britishbulldog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
13 DanyBerger--- Your welcome to pop over to my home any day of the week so I can bop you one on your nose or worse.

Now tell me how how many planes did you lose trying to sink our Royal Navy. Don't bother to even try to answer the question you probably where lied to anyway so I will try to explain to you how many planes you lost in the feeble attempt to beat a far superior foe.

11 IAI Dagger A, 10 A-4B Sky hawks, 7 A-4C Sky hawks, 3 FMA IA 58 Pucará, 3 A-4Q Sky hawk Navy, 2 Mirage IIIEA, 2 B.Mk62 Canberra's, 1 C-130E Hercules, 1 Aermacchi MB.339A Navy, 1 Learjet 35A, 3, 1 Puma SA330L Army, 1 Puma SA330L Army.

Those are the ones that dared to get into the air.

Now for the ones that we destroyed on the ground.

9 FMA IA 58 Pucará
1 Agusta A109 Army
1 Boeing Ch-47C Chinook Army
2 Aérospatiale Puma SA330L Army
4 Beechcraft T-34 Mentor Navy
2 Skyvan 3-M Coast Guard
2 Bell UH-1H Iroquois Army

Now we have all the ones that we captured.

11 FMA IA 58 Pucará
2 Agusta A109 Army
7 Bell UH-1H Iroquois Army
1 Boeing CH-47C Chinook Army
1 Aérospatiale Puma SA330L Coast Guard
3 Aermacchi MB.339A Navy
2 Bell 212

Then you lost a 1 Aérospatiale Alouette AI03 Navy that went down with the Belgrano. Along with six more that crashed in bad weather.

Now Dany boy lets go for a hat trick of Argentine own goals shall we. The third own goal that completely wrecks Argentina I am sure the ships that we replaced are quite good at taking a pop at your capital with a few missiles aimed at her that is an ugly bitch's palace as she entertains her lapdogs as they are sitting down wondering how to backtrack without losing face.

By the way you dopey sod, I said bring all your best mates and I will bring a couple of mine, mine being a couple of friends not some kind of mine you dopy sod.
26 Conqueror (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
@7 How about illegal argie gypsies in Canada?
@8 What a prat!
@11 Looking forward to dying? I'll be looking for YOU!
@13 WW2? A conflict that argies were too cowardly to take part in? Oh, I nearly forgot. Too busy licking Hitler's arse. Post your real name. Let's see if we can get you refused entry to Europe. Or are you too much of a yellow-belly?
@20 Then you'll just have to die, won't you?
27 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Not to forget the ships.
1 Cruiser
1 Submarine
Assorted boats

Not many hey! well what do you expect, the other cowardly bastards ran away, got the hell out of dodge while the going was good!
28 Bongo (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
Has anyone seen The Sun newspaper's “hands off the Falklands” advert published in the Buenos Aires Herald?

What a slap!

www.buenosairesherald.com
29 Brit Bob (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
CFK and the comedy club of Argentina keep quoting the various UN resolutions on the Falklands but forget to mention that any agreement on sovereignty should not be made against the wishes of the Falkland Islanders. I somehow doubt that CFK and her cronies are impressing the Falkland Islanders by their behaviour.
30 Pete Bog (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
@30
Bob
And they all mention Independance as an ideal and taking the provisions of the UN Charter into account.

Which the Argentines won't.

Another part of the wording of the resolutions the Argentines ignore, although its fairly easy to spot.
31 ProRG_American (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:17 pm
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32 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
We Brits like and respect the Chileans, also the Yanks, well, most of em anyways pardner!!!!!
33 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
#11 sounds good to me that's why I demand CFK to build a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentiba.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
#12 as soon as Argentina builds a nuclear defence program we can meet again, you do like fair fight don't you. I don't want to think you are all cowards. I mean who can even imagine that a none nuclear nation can threaten a nuclear armed one, if you as a britard feel the Argentine threat can you imagine how all Argentine must feel.
#15 a nuclear defence program 100%made in Argentina can make the next confrontation a fair fight, help us with support don't you want to see a fair fight?
#16 ignore my opinion, but visit this link. :)
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
#17 we Argentine propose to treat British gypsy's the same way that UK dalt with Romaninan gypsy's in UK, pari passu anyone?
#18 a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina will put an end to all those threats UK makes.
#19 fear is for losers, I rather rise to the challenge, thats why I support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina, self determination for everyone.
#20 easy to say when you'll never get a visa or enough money to visit and find out how racist this people really are.
#22 try this link,
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
#23 when Argentina builds a nuclear defence program call me I'll press the button. Trust me I push it without any remorse.
#25 for all the reasons you mention we support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina, we know how much the Brits like to have a fair fight not all of them are cowards.
#26 what about them ? Lol
#27 really a none nuclear nation took on a nuclear armed one? And you consider them cowards, lol do they teach you that in Britard schools? maybe I am a coward because now I want my country to build a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentiba to protect our home land from British illegal occupation.
34 Shed-time (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
@33 Who said anything was illegal? Just your opinion again, oh right.
35 reality check (#) Jan 04th, 2013 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
Ahhhh! fair fight in a nuclear war, you absolute prat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
36 Conqueror (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 12:43 am Report abuse
@33 What a fart. Argieland is about a thousand years away from a nuclear defence program. It can't even maintain a railway. Step this way. If I piss, you'll drown. We Brits propose to treat argtards, wherever they hide, like we treated Nazis. YOU couldn't “rise” to a toilet. Sorry. I forgot you don't know what toilets are. Already informed the Canadian authorities of your location. Go on, hide! Hello, yellow-bellied, gutless, cowardly alex. Still hiding 5,558.48 miles from “home”? Just as a matter of interest, will the police pick you up for being an illegal immigrant, a paedophile or an enemy alien? How would you like to be hanged? A short drop or a long drop?
37 briton (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 12:53 am Report abuse
well if you argies think,
and your leaders think,
and CFK thinks,

then stop talking, and try it,
full stop, end of ect .
38 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 02:10 am Report abuse
#34 that's right my opinion, you seem to care!
#35 you do know what a fair fight is don't you?
#36 Mr Alex wants to know if you told your big brother, mom, and dad about him too? Lol kids. Why would the police come to see me? are you planing to kill me? Why would I hide when I have 14 assaults to police under my belt, and they never fight one on one.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
#37 it all starts with political support for a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina I am sure you understand.
39 huynhhai (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 02:23 am Report abuse
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40 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 07:44 am Report abuse
@38 ALEX VARGAS

“Why would the police come to see me? are you planing to kill me? Why would I hide when I have 14 assaults to police under my belt, and they never fight one on one.”

Ha ha, you coward! You are so full of sh1t. LOL!

You couldn't cut it in Argentina.

LOL LOL Campra Juvenil stooge!!!
41 Teaboy2 (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 08:03 am Report abuse
@38 - ”“Why would the police come to see me? are you planing to kill me? Why would I hide when I have 14 assaults to police under my belt, and they never fight one on one.”

How about for being a Traitor and urging and attack on the United Kingdom i.e. Terrorism. There are laws in canade that you are clearly breaking by posting your crap. Yet you live there because? oh right i forgot, the wealth fare state!!

Your just a free loader, that i personally would not even piss on if you were on fire!
42 DanyBerger (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 08:50 am Report abuse
@Britishbulldog & co

I just ask for your address in UK no need to post all that rubbish.
I will just invite you a drink and see if you are so tough to tell me all that shit in my own face.

I will go back to Europe in March and will be a pleasure to go back to UK just to visit you.

Am I asking too much?
43 M's Bulldog (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 09:04 am Report abuse
^ what a machismo bell end.
44 DanyBerger (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 09:23 am Report abuse
Just another irrelevant statement of weak KaMoron.
He cannot take the country on truck and needs some stunt to keep the masses busy.
And invasion over FI will give him a good push to the drains...
45 M's Bulldog (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 09:47 am Report abuse
^ what a machismo bell end.
46 Pete Bog (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
@44
Well, if CFK was intelligent enough to persistently offer to help the Falkland Islanders(even though they would see through the bluff), ie 'we want to help you -no preconditions, but if you don't want to take us up on the offer, that's fine', you would find that would really hit Cameron and the UK government for 6.

Instead CFK has been the biggest gift for Falklands autonomy and support from Britain for many years.

Can you Argentines not work out that Cameron is not (like many UK politicians) overly popular, but repelling pieces of innacurate nonsense/disowning pathetic cheap stunts from the Argentines is an absolute political GIFT for Cameron.

The fact that the FCO are only marginally less ignorant than the Argentines concerning the context of Falkland Islands history (ie even an MLA last year did not know that the resident population of 1833 was allowed to stay, just north of where he lives ffs ), makes it even more incredible that all Cameron has to say (and rightly of course)is that the Islanders have the right to self-determination, and he wins.

You are right Dany-if CFK is stupid enough to attack the Falklands and Cameron is seen to immediately repel Argentina he will recieve another huge political gift wrapped in gold paper, tied with a nice bow signed love CFK.
47 agent999 (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
They did repel those heavily armed dock workers that tried to move the IOU Liberturd.
48 reality check (#) Jan 05th, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
It was vicious, bloody hand to hand fighting, with no quarter asked and none given. In the words of Lord Wellington, “It was a close run thing.” Madam President will no doubt plagiarise the words of that Great Briton, Mr Churchill, when he said, “Never in the field of human conflict, have so many owed so much to so few.”

Then again she could say, “Never in the field of human economics, as so much been OWED by so few to so many.”
49 briton (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 01:28 am Report abuse
38 Pirat-Hunter
nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina I am sure you understand.

So when can we expect this argentine nuclear defence program to star, and then finish, and then operated,
Details please ..
.
50 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 09:16 am Report abuse
They remain free to choose their own futures, both politically and economically, and have a right to self-determination as enshrined in the UN Charter. This is a fundamental human right for all peoples.

AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAH ,The MAlvinistas are NOT people......Not applicable to MAlvinas case...the pirates brits are FINISHED.....poor stupid empire.....2,5 million unemployed,hated by 1/2 of the world....UN,C24,Mercosur,Nobody wants the brits in the SA......They are NOTHING..
51 reality check (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
In my heart there’s a call for the isles far away
Where the wind from the Horn often wanders at play.
Where the kelp moves and swells to the wind and the tide
And penguins troop down from the lonely hillside.


CHORUS:

Those isles of the sea are calling to me
The smell of the camp fire a dear memory.
Though far I may roam, some day I’ll come home
To the islands, the Falklands, the isles of the sea.

There’s a camp house down yonder I’m longing to see,
Though it’s no gilded palace it’s there I would be.
Just to be there again I would race o’er the foam,
For that lone house so far is my own home sweet home.

There are no Malvinas Islands, never has been never will be.
52 Anglotino (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 11:19 am Report abuse
@50 Malvinero1

“The MAlvinistas are NOT people”

Agreed. There are no such people as Malvinistas.

How very perceptive of you.
53 reality check (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
Anglotino

Not true, I overheard one talking the other day, to a Narnian. They were discussing the current political situation in Shangrila! Fascinating stuff!
54 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
Agreed. There are no such people as Malvinistas.

How very perceptive of you. That is rigth.They are PIRATES MALVINISTAS,not people...Poor deluded brits scums...
55 M's Bulldog (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
^ by that thinking should you not be called “PIRATE MALVINERO1” ?
56 reality check (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
Oh dear, oh dear, there's the scum word again. Think we are hurting
his itty bitty fweelings!
57 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
@54 Pirat - Malvinara

Speaking of “scum”, who was Alejandro Betts?

I am trying to understand some of the Argie propaganda.

I heard he abandoned his family in FI and went to Argieland after the failed invasion.
Was he a SPY, I mean “hero” from Argentina???
58 reality check (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
50 silver pesos comes to mind. Probably thought they were going to give him an important job in the new provisional government, after they ethnically cleansed the islands of course.

What makes him even more odious is that he was not of Spanish descent, he could have at least tried to justify his treason by claiming that.

Still, he's probably basking in the adoration of his new neighbours, though I am suprised, I did not think they looked kindly upon agents of the junta.
59 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
@58Reality

Thanks, RC.
It looked like an interesting story.
As mentioned in the propaganda alternate history, Betts left right away the argentines were defeated - the implication was that he was the only 'noble' Islander.
Did anyone suspect? I hope you are not offended that I ask about this. One really wonders about the circumstances. As an outsider, new to the forum, the true history of the war is fascinating.

Thanks for indulging me a bit already.
60 Pete Bog (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
@50
“,The MAlvinistas are NOT people”

I wouldn't say that you aren't a person Malvi, more a pirate type of a person.

What's the name of your pirate ship chey, is it called the Heroina?
61 reality check (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
Troy

I'm only going on what I read on here and googled. There was a response to his testimony at the C24 hearing . Some posts from the Islanders on his behaviour. I believe they consider him to be a traitor. Quisling was the much used name.

Apparently, two of his brothers were also there during the war. one a Merchant Seaman with the Task Force and the other an active member of the Resistance before and after the landings. I believe these two brothers are much respected on the Islands.

One of them recently appeared in an interview, during the recent Liberation Anniversary Celebrations.

Perhaps an islander could enlighten us more?
62 Anglotino (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
@60 Pete

I do find it quite funny that firstly anyone can think that calling Falklanders pirates is an insult. Unless, having never been to the Islands, there are an inordinate amount of people walking around on peg legs, missing an eye, complete with pet parrots and rum consumption on a per capita basis is inordinately high.

As for the Heroína..... it is indeed interesting that the first declaration of Argentine sovereignty over the islands was made by the American born Jewett not long after he became an actual pirate.

So Argentina's sovereignty is based on an action by a real life pirate.
63 briton (#) Jan 06th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
boy,
you argies are really really desperate aint you.
still,

you keep talking, it suits you.
64 Raul (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
UNFORTUNATELY, NO MercoPress posted this item

“People need more work and less wars”

www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-211350-2013-01-07.html

The national government repudiated the “militaristic threats” made ​​by the Prime Minister of Britain, David Cameron, who said he was “ready to fight” to maintain colonial rule over the Falkland Islands. The Foreign Ministry issued a statement in which he asks the premier to “not use the legitimate and peaceful demands” made ​​by Argentina in international fora “to continue to support the arms industry, rather than alleviate the severe social crisis being experienced Europe ”.

The response of the Palacio San Martin insists Britain require that meets “the obligation to accept the resolutions of the United Nations to resolve the issue peacefully Falklands”.

“The aggressiveness of the words of British Prime Minister confirm the complaint made by the Republic of Argentina to the United Nations about the militarization of the South Atlantic and the possible presence of nuclear weapons introduced by the colonial power,” said Foreign Ministry.

During an interview with the BBC, Cameron said it is “absolutely essential to have fast jets and troops stationed in the islands” and stressed that his country “has one of five defense budgets in the world.”

Therefore, the portfolio by the Minister Héctor Timerman asked the British premier “do not use the legitimate and peaceful demands” that Argentina made ​​“against the usurpation of part of our territory and against colonialism as an excuse to continue to support the arms industry rather than alleviate the severe social crisis currently affecting Europe. ”
65 M's Bulldog (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
64 Raul
Only Argentina doesn’t have any legal right over the Falklands, and never did. Argentina does however, have illegal intentions of colonising them, against the inhabitant’s wishes.
This explains why there are no negotiations.
The UK Military are there to protect them, as we know what would happen should they leave.
Personally I would up the defences to send a clearer message.
Stop indoctrinating your children with lies and teach them the real history which resides in the archives in BA.
66 Raul (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
65 M Bulldogs
With all the respect you deserve, you are dead wrong. UK has no legal claim to the islands. Remember that the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations considers the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony.
Besides the UN resolutions are referred to a colony.
See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 ( 40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It is a territory to colonize.

Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony. Example Wiki requested.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comit% C3% C3% B3n A9_de_Descolonizaci%

Keep in mind that the specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity leaving Argentina Therefore, the possibility of applying the principle self-determination, as its exercise by the islanders, cause the “disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that Resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ”
67 M's Bulldog (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
@66
You really do need to step outside the box and take a look at how ridiculous your country’s demands are. The entire fabric of Argentina, is constructed purely by colonialism and annexing. Maybe your country should be on the decolonisation list too!
After the referendum, the FI’s will be removed from this list. They are a self governed overseas territory. They don’t want to be governed by Argentina. You need to read the real facts in your archives. The original population WERE NOT removed by force but invited to stay, which many did. This is where your education system has failed you.
How do you think the islanders feel, knowing that they are continuously badgered by a bullying neighbour? I have it on good authority that the residents living there, who’s ancestry goes back to the Provinces of the River Plate, would rather be under British sovereignty anyhow, and will be voting in favour of this come the referendum.
68 Anglotino (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Raul you know the real history and refuse to believe it.

You also know that territorial integrity has never been used in denying any people the right of self determination.

You now this too.

UN resolutions are subordinate to the UN Charter. You know this but can't discuss it because it destroys your arguments.

And you also know the reason the UK has such a large military in the islands.

But that reason is ignored.

For every fact you claim there is a rebuttal but that will never stop you repeating them. And that's why Argentina does nothing but whine about this claim.
69 Pete Bog (#) Jan 07th, 2013 - 11:09 pm Report abuse
@66
“is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return,”

No, actually most of the original population in 1833 were invited to stay, and they did so, amonst them were two British people who were there before HMS Clio came.

However, you will note that most of Pinedo's crew were British , who were booted out by, yes, the British.

Matthew Brisbane was a colonist under Vernet before 1833 and he returned after the Briitsh left (you seem to have forgotten that the British Navy did not come back untilJanuary 1834, unless you count Charles Darwin , who was just visiting). So settlers did return to the colony, from South America.

If anu one can tell me please, maybe Raul? What time did Thomas Helsby(? The guy who witnessed the Rivero murders) show up, and was he English, or was he one of the 2 British settlers that stayed in 1833?

Oh yes, Raul, of what nationality was Pinedo's second in command then? Bet you can't answer that one can you?

Every time you peddle this lie someone will remind you of it.
70 briton (#) Jan 08th, 2013 - 01:01 am Report abuse
Mr Cameron stated yesterday that he was willing and able, if the events required it,
to send a British task force back to the Falklands, to defend British interests,

Asked if he would go to war, he stated, if to defend the Falklands he would,
................................
Reply from argentina
[Silence]
Reply from the mighty mouth CFK,
Silence.

Seems she has bitten of more than she can chew.
Or the cat has got her tongue..

still,
We can back it up.

CAN YOU .
71 Raul (#) Jan 11th, 2013 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
67 M Bulldogs
68 Anglotino
69 Pete Bog

You do not want to comply with international law. Do not want to comply with UN Resolution 2065 of 1965, ratified by subsequent resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6) , 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40) 1,987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self. It is a territory to colonize.

Certainly have to study the true story. They need to hear other bells speaking Argentine rights.

Links or links on Argentine Rights on Malvinas:

www.cuestionmalvinas.gob.ar/
www.embajadaabierta.com/?p=660
www.cancilleria.gov.ar/portal/seree/malvinas/docs/03-Jorge_Arguello.pdf
www.malvinasalta.com.ar/index.php/fundamentos-historicos-y-juridicos.html
www.malvinense.com.ar/derechos.html
www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/0109/1072.html
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-211180-2013-01-04.html
www.malvinas-1982.es.tl/Argumentos-Argentinos.htm

Always keep in mind the Constitution Argentina:
“La Nacion Argentina ratifies its legitimate and sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the corresponding maritime and insular areas, being part of the national territory. Recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty , respecting the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law are a permanent and unwavering goal of the Argentine people. ”

CONSTITUTION ARGENTINA, Prime transitional provision
72 Anglotino (#) Jan 11th, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@71 Raul

UN Charter
Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2

“To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples”

“UN Resolution 2065 of 1965”
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”ratified by subsequent resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII)“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”1976 (31/49)“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”1982 (37/9)“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”1983 (38/12)“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”1984 (39/6)“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”1985 (40/21)“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”1986 (41/40)“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”1987 (42/19)“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”and 1988 (43/25).“
Subordinate to Chapter 1 Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter.

”They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute.”
Correct. However not one of them denies self determination.

Thank you for the links. Here is one for you:
www.un.org/es/documents/charter/

Also thank you for the quote from the Argentine constitution which has primacy in Argentina only.

Here's a quote from another constitution:

CHAPTER I
PROTECTION OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF THE INDIVIDUAL
Fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual
1. Whereas—
(b) the realisation of the right of self-determination must be promoted and respected in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations;

Yes that's the Falkland's constitution. It has primacy in the Falkland Islands.

So tell me, which constitution adheres to the UN Charter and which one doesn't?

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