Murdoch’s The Sun tells Cristina Fernandez “HANDS OFF” the Falklands
In a full page advert published exclusively in Friday’s Buenos Aires Herald, in English and Spanish, leading British tabloid The Sun admonishes President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner with a “Hands off!” from the Falkland Islands, in response to the Argentine president’s letter to Prime Minister David Cameron, published on Wednesday in several British dailies.
The text followed a similar rejection of Fernández de Kirchner’s letter on Thursday from Cameron himself, who insisted that the future of the Islands “should be determined by the Falkland Islanders themselves.”
London 4 January 2013
President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner
Thirty one years ago this year, Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands with the loss of 255 British service personnel, 649 Argentine troops and three Falkland Islanders.
This action was in direct conflict with the UN charter’s principle of self determination in which the people of the Falkland Islands are British and have chosen to be so.
Self determination is a fundamental human right for all peoples.
Claims that 180 years ago Argentina was ‘stripped’ of the Falkland Islands are unfounded.
No Argentine civilian population was ever expelled. It was an Argentine garrison which had been sent to the Islands to try to impose Argentine sovereignty over British sovereign territory.
British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands dates back to 1765 before the Republic of Argentina even existed.
The Islands have never been governed by or formed part of the sovereign territory of the Republic of Argentina,
Until the people of the Falkland Islands chose to become Argentine, they remain resolutely British.
In the name of our millions of readers, and to put it another way: “HANDS OFF”
The Sun
London
PM Cameron was adamant that “whenever the Falkland Islanders have been asked their opinion they have said they want to maintain their current status with the United Kingdom.”
The Islanders are expected to vote overwhelmingly in favour of the existing arrangement in a referendum in March.
“I hope the president of Argentina will listen to that referendum and recognize it is for the Falkland Islanders to choose their future,” Cameron said, adding that “as long as they choose to stay with the United Kingdom, they have my 100 percent backing.”
The Foreign Office was no less explicit when a spokesperson said that the Islanders “remain free to choose their own futures, both politically and economically, and have a right to self-determination as enshrined in the UN Charter. This is a fundamental human right for all peoples.”
“There are three parties to this debate, not just two as Argentina likes to pretend. The Islanders can’t just be written out of history,” insisted the spokesperson, adding that “there can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the Islanders so wish.”
The Sun is a British daily national tabloid newspaper published in the UK and Ireland. It is published by the News Group Corporation division of News International, itself a wholly owned subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation.
The Sun has the tenth-largest circulation of any newspaper in the world and the largest circulation of any daily newspaper in the United Kingdom.
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One wonders what sort of reaction CFK expected from her letter??
Disappointed, I'll bet.
The 99% or Argi population have no idea of its existence.
I guess that the ad in Mercopress will have more impact than in BAH.
I hope Murdoch have a good insurance because Queen Cristina can send some SIDE killer to take care of the idiot with a 50 caliber.
“I hope Murdoch have a good insurance because Queen Cristina can send some SIDE killer to take care of the idiot with a 50 caliber.”
LOL, rolling my eyes, dumbo Dany!!
What he really means is with inflation at over 23% most Argentines can not offord to read that newspaper
www.clarin.com/politica/britanico-The-Sun-Cristina-Malvinas_0_841116034.html
www.lanacion.com.ar/1542757-los-medios-britanicos-se-suben-a-la-pelea-por-malvinas
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9781596/Falklands-Argentines-abuse-cruise-line-passengers-in-Buenos-Aires.html
Keep it coming, this is a great spectator sport :)
And, of course, the other newspapers picked up on the story and reported it.
I think the Argentine plan must be to deter all cruise ships from Argentina; it appears to be working.
That would before they had inflation rates of 500% wouldn't it?
Before he took the bread basket of Africa and turned it into the dust bowl of Africa, before infant mortality rates went through the roof and thousands died from cholera. Wouldn't it? Man he's doing a ferking great job.
That's alright, you admire him mate!! the rest of us will just treat him like the ass hole he is!!!!!!!!
And while his country was going down the tubes he was making grandstanding speeches about how Zimbabwe was standing up to the whole colonialist imperialist world AND WINNING!
Sounds oddly familiar, doesn't it?
True, but then any form of publicity that exposes the facts of 1833 (even if in this case glossed over) and combats Argentine propaganda is not a totally negative thing. As bad as the Sun are, their staff seem to be more aware of actual Falklands history than the so-called intellectual Guardian.
@4
“I hope Murdoch have a good insurance because Queen Cristina can send some SIDE killer to take care of the idiot with a 50 caliber.”
Is Corned Beef Kate, the darling of 'Junta Pirate Radio' from 1982, still alive then?
“The funny thing is that none Buenos Aires Herald is Newspaper for foreigners English mother tongue.”
The even funnier thing is that you thought the news would not spread to other Argentinian newspapers.
@6
“i remémber oñce Robert Mugawe had said “” UK hands óff ....“” !”
Well I remember that once Zimbabwe was the second wealthiest African country.
It like Argentina, has gone down the 'Everything is Imperialist Britain's' fault route whilst systematically ruining its own economy and killing its own people.
Zimbabwe today is basically a burned out shell with much internal suppression-and guess what? Mugabe and his Mrs have stashed loads of their countrymens's money overseas.
Let's compare with Argentina.
When Argentina had good relations with the UK (we built your railways and meat industry by the way) it was amongst the 5 wealthiest countries in the world, in fact on a par with or richer than the USA.
Since going down the 'Everything is Imperialist Britain's fault' route, Argentina as a nation have nosedived.
In the meantime 30 years ago (ie that's more recent than the 19th c.)they also managed to massacre their own people.
Although they are not as burned out as Zimbabwe, guess what? Their great leaders have stashed their countrymen's cash abroad as well.
Similar themes eh Tipsythink?
Let's hope her paper is not the next on KFC's radar.
@9 I understand your thought BUT the advertisement from The Sun makes a point. The views expressed are not just those of the British government, but also those of the majority of the British people. CFK should not make the mistake of thinking Britain is like argieland. WE are quite capable of telling our government when they get it wrong, something argies aren't allowed to do. But any British government that fails to support and defend the Islands will be out of power in days. The people of argieland have no equivalent influence.
i fear the latter....
Generally the media showed CFKC as she is, mad, bad and out-of-control. 'Desperate' was a word often used before reporting on all the domestic troubles of Argentina. It puts it all in perspective.
i just hope theres no backlash by Crustina for Buenos aires herald time will tell.
I'd say Kirchner is very pleased with the story.
They need to keep stoking the fire you see.
This is part of the Kirchner end game, keep the plebs watching the Falklands, the cruise ships, and the rest of the conjuring tricks, but make sure they don't see the rise in street crime, the rise in inflation (now at 30%), the rise in unemployment, the rise in poverty (over 22%, up from 8%), the attack on the independence of the judiciary, the attack on the freedom of the press (Ley de Medios), the tightening of the dollar clamp, etc!!!!!!!!!!!
I suspect that this is actually a pivotal moment in this, because with this and other responses to the CFK letter, many Argentines will for the first time learn what actually the British position is on this matter, rather than what the Argentinian Gov has been telling them the British position is.
Two completely different things.
May not make much difference to what is believed, but they will begin to realise what they are up against, and then that they are losing the argument.
This will also have the effect of focusing world attention on the referendum, absolutely not what the Argentinian administration wants to happen.
The swansong of the Malvinas will, for all practical purposes, become the death knell of Argentinian colonial ambitions in the South Atlantic.
Then there was the Antarctic!!!!!
@4 PummelKopf
I think you will find that Murdock has far more money, and much better security and hit men than Queen Cristina has.
It is her that needs to watch out in that argument, she will be messing way above her league against him.
How could any nation have become so utterly pathetic is beyond me, but it seems clear that argentina is more than deserving of the contempt with which it is treated by the rest of the world
Yet another 'massive argie protest' like the two who put on an act outside the cruise line office a few weeks ago.
KFC and her goons couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
'Argentina must be a bigger bully to fend off John Bull - As a matter of fact, the question of the nationality of the islanders can be quite easily resolved, and whether or not that question is resolved is actually of little consequence.
Considering the small number of islanders, Britain can easily repatriate and resettle them in the British Isles or grant them the so-called British National Overseas (BNO) passports as it did to the former “British subjects” in Hong Kong before and after the 1997 handover of the former British colony to Communist China.....'
www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/world-issues/2013/01/06/366389/p2/Argentina-must.htm
Thank God for the Morning Star…..
www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/127947
If you have enjoyed this article then please consider donating to the Morning Star's Fighting Fund to ensure we can keep publishing your paper
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I have……
Welcome back, you realise what the morning star is all about don't you... Anyway on a more important note, tell us, are you the fat guy that keeps burning the Union Jack in the photos?
I just donated to their fighting fund, had to flush the toilet twice though, it's a long way to their editorial offices, no probs though, having written that article, they will be sure to recognise the shit when it arrives!!!
Nice to see you back. Happy New year! How was the fishing on Afon Conwy?
Ok enuff courtesies. You as a skandahovian stole the province of Chubut from the Welsh, abrogating the 1865 argreement with them unilaterally in I think 1901. Thats the way your govt has always worked, teariong up treaties as and when it suits them
Actually I am quite envious of you. You catch any of those big sea runs I see on Patagonian Waters ESPN telly programmes?
Cheers
Haha, the morning star is a communist newspaper lol, hardly a surprise what they think, they obviously strike a cord with you though. We would all be eating beetroot soup if they had their way. Unfortunately a democratic society is made up of all sorts, take comfort in it if you will, but don't be under any delusion what the majority of the British public think.
British poster Steve-33-uk (32) asks me if I “ realise what the Morning Star newspaper is all about?”………….
Well..............
The Morning Star is a left-wing British newspaper with a focus on social issues........
The Morning Star supported the National Union of Mineworkers during the 1984–85 strike and it still campaigns for the ”Clean Coal Industry” to be rebuilt.........
The Morning Star advocates a ”Two-State” solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and calls for Israeli withdrawal from Palestinian territories........
The Morning Star opposed the Iraq War.......
The Morning Star opposed the Afghanistan Invasion.......
The Morning Star takes a pro-Irish Nationalism line on Northern Ireland......
The Morning Star is Eurosceptic and supported the No2EU platform in the 2009 European Parliament election.......
The Morning Star is critical of the upper or ruling classes......
The Morning Star defends peaceful protests and civil disobedience and industrial action by workers to improve working conditions and wages......
The Morning Star is concerned with environmental issues and supports environment campaigning groups.......
The Morning Star advocates unilateral nuclear disarmament........
The Morning Star has, during the last years, carried contributions from Uri Avnery, John Pilger, Derek Wall, Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Caroline Lucas, George Galloway, Alan Simpson, Martin Rowson, etc..........
Yes, I ”Think” I do realise what the Morning Star is all about......
PS:
(35) Redpoll......
Bigger and shinier than even the biggest and shiniest HDTV could ever show ;-)
The Brutish Turnip poster whose complete ignorance about my beloved Argentina is only surpassed by his total ignorance about my beloved Rhodesia..............
The Morning Star is a extreme Left wing paper. It was founded in 1930 as the Daily Worker, the organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Great Britain.
A general trend from the far left is to see the UK as a capitalist right wing nation allied with the US and so support everyone we have a dispute with, without looking into the circumstances.
But at least some of the far left have done their homework on this issue, see the link below..
www.youngfabians.org.uk/blog/index.php/2013/01/04/the-left-has-to-raise-its-voice-on-the-falklands/
Anyway 'Think' that wasn't the question I asked, let me ask you again.
Are you the fat guy that keeps burning the Union Jack in the photos?
Ignorence?
(42) Conorworld
Any link or poroof for your above asseveration?
Or do we have to take your “Conorword” for it?
Isolde --reality check
first decide which gender are you from female or male !
Ignorance is bluss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There much better,
Like I said, ignorance is bluss!!!!!!!!!!
Cant you better than that?A leninist rag which prints 10'000 copies in Uk most of which are given away to the party faithful
All newspapers have a right ot express thier differnt political opinions thoughthe Star seems to be dependent on donations to keep it alive
Its called freedom of the press my friend, something that will be hamstrung by the media law in Argentina
You say ( about the Morning Star):
“A Commie rag nobody reads....... except my Commie son in law”.
I say (about your daughter):
A girl of exquisite taste with a God given chance to increase the red impront on the genetical poll of the Redpolls......
As for my RedPolls those that vote Contraceptive quickly find themselves in the frigorifico. Cruel old world isnt it?
I found his articles most enlightening, “Power to the People!!!”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
At least she didn't marry an Argie....
“A Buenos Aires bid to set up a penal colony there ended in 1832 when soldiers murdered their own commander. John James Onslow, captain of HMS Clio, then sailed out from Rio and politely informed the local commander: ”It is my intention to hoist tommorow the national flag of Great Britain on shore.“ Far from expelling Vernet's settlers, Onslow urged them to stay. Of the 33, only 4 left. In the first test of public opinion , almost 90% voted for British sovereignty-by staying put. As acts of colonialism go, this was not so much ”blatant“ as courteous and entirely bloodless.”
And a quote from an Argentine (in the Sun). Fabian Cebron, 44, a courier, said: “I thought it was obvious the Malvinas were Argentine and the British were keeping a colony. But then I didn't know until I read the Sun's letter that the British had sovereignty before the Argentine Republic existed. That changes things.”
'Mrs Kirchener refused to comment through her office yesterday.'
Another own goal by CFK.
You don't try to teach me about my Patagonia....
I won't try to teach you how to palpate your Red Polls....
Deal?
Sounds just like TTT - “ I don't talk about local politics”!
the goverment mearly put her right,
on a few things.
I do talk about local politics, just not with any of you.
I know it may be a lost art in your parts, but to have respect you must earn respect. Clearly, none of you deserve my respect base on how you talk about my country, which is why after a brief period of “respectul” posting I lowered myself to a level the rest of you could understand.
Great article, Happy New Year!
“Just when things are going badly for David Cameron over his defence of Britain's colonial grip on the Falklands, Rupert Murdoch's Sun comes in to make things worse”
“There is no Falkland Islander nation. The current population of the islands consists of 3,000 settlers from Britain living 8,000 miles away from their native land”
That's rich, coming from a hypocrit who lives 8.ooo miles from his home land.
Why don't you go home if you love it so much, what's the matter, afraid of losing your British citizenship!
I'm sure individuals of all nationalities who post on forums are perfectly decent and nice people but simply human when it comes to debate and change styles to suit how they feel at that moment
The “go home” sentiment applied to immigrants seems an unpleasant and unreasonable one to me for descendants of immigrants who are born in a place and have always been there. The people in a land are native to that land and know no other place. The place they are born and grow up in is there home. It is in their heart and soul; that is where they feel they belong
For a native Islander, Britain would feel no more like home than Spain or Italy would feel to an Argentine born in Argentina of Spanish or Italian descent.
The application of this stereotype is a political means to scapegoat the present day islanders and to justify their political persecution and segregation from the rights of the majority. That's why this type argument is morally and ethically misguided and wrong
So a hand full of journalists write articles for it, therefore making it nothing more than an online news blog containing their own personal opinion and not a real newspaper, or media outlet. As for the author of the article calling The Sun a rag, well his blog is nothing more that a piece of virtual opinionated crap - Hell they can not even afford to publish without donations and do not even have a version in print, says a lot really really doesn't it lol!
absolutely true you said ..
none of media organ is free/detached in the world...
for example this Mercopress which celebrates own sponsors for christmas..
can it publish any news altho these sponsors ...No...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-case-for-an-independent-falklands-8439707.html
'Argie bargy: Voters call on David Cameron to stop British aid to Argentina'
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/voters-call-on-david-cameron-to-stop-1521379
boards.fool.co.uk/dear-argentina-12718008.aspx?sort=postdate
CFK is still a nut job.
Argies with no jobs are burning copies of the union flag because of.....any reason they can dream up.
Think is peddling the success of a newspaper that survives on the back of jumble sales and donations from GROLIIES (Guardian Readers of Limited Intelligence In Ethnic Skirts) who long for the days when they were sociology students at the local polytechnic.
RKH are still on course to submit concept selection development in June.
Argentina is in an economic mess with inflation up there with four other dictatorships.
The Falklands remain British (as they will always be - if any Argie wishes to challenge this then provide a date and time when they will come under Argentine administration).
I guess the only things that changes is the date and the weather!
you meant “ I went....” not “ you go ...” ?
I go
You go
He,She,It goes
We go
You go
They go
I went
You went
He,She,It went
We went
You went
they went
that will be true if the sentence writing like this ;
“ You go and work wherever for a couple of months and you find nothing on here changes ”
but i am very hopeful “ Beef ” will develop his english using.
:-)
www.businessinsider.com/argentina-ara-libertad-commercial-2013-1
I'm sure with a little research I can find many more
Definitely correct. It is a colloquialism.
'You go and and changes.
Thanks for the conjugation Tipsy Think but you shouldn't have.
invasion force let alone reach the Falkland islands territory without polluting the sea red with thick argentine blood,
now theres a satisfying thought “Argentine squid” bait!
SELF-DETERMINATION!
I don't know most of the contributors you list but if you knew the reputation of either Ken Livingstone or George Galloway, it might have stopped you posting this. Livingston was found to be a bit dodgy with his tax returns and had a habit of finding more postal votes in his council wards than there were voters. And Galloway has changed his politics as often as necessary to get elected and appeared on Celebrity Big Brother worryingly keen to pretend to be a cat... the less said about him having his tummy rubbed and purring the better!
As a Liverpool FC supporter, my feelings about the Sun won't need explaining, but occasionally a troll getting trolled can be quite satisfying. And the Sun is one of the biggest trolls out there. Mark the difference in response to the two ads in the two countries and you'll see my point.
UK: “You're having a larf!!! Ha ha ha ha ha!”
RG: Protests on the streets, Sun newspapers and Union Jacks burnt, anger and aggression directed at anything British.
Schneckster
@59 YOU haven't earned ANY respect because you're a prat. Do you enjoy talking to yourself? Because anyone who “responds” is simply inviting you to display how prattish you are.
@60 Yeah, good isn't it? And a little bunch of tosspot war criminals 400 miles away can't do anything about it. Oh, that's you, isn't it?
@78 Pissed! Do the world a favour. Drown!
how are you today ?
He told BBC 1's Andrew Marr Show: “I get regular reports on this entire issue because I want to know that our defences are strong, our resolve is extremely strong.”
Asked if Britain would fight to keep the islands, he replied: “Of course we would and we have strong defences in place on the Falkland islands, that is absolutely key, that we have fast jets stationed there, we have troops stationed on the Falklands.”
It's not that difficult GFace. We Argentines just can't stand you Europeans, and never will again.
If you look at La Nacion, you'd think it was a public statement made as sabre rattling whereas the actual question he was asked was if he was prepared to defend the islands in case of attack, there are troops there so of course the answer is going to be yes. There's no major revelations here or anything new in the attitude towards Argentina or the falklands situation. Great, how the press jumps on these things and mistranslates them completely, and deliberately. I'm not saying the UK press don't do the same, but the papers know they sell more by being sensationalist, and that sensationalism feeds ignorance and nationalism. Sad.
You have no honour.
I used to have to go to the USA embassy a lot and I loved watching people get turned down, the shock, the horror, crying, wailing, and then asking the guards for their application fee back.
Haahahaha
Please, I am deigning to talk to you, a member of the most thieving hypocritical society that has ever been shoehorned together, the British.
You are not liked anywhere in the world, for that reason. It would only require you to be honest and not hypocritical and all that would change. So simple, yet so hard for you.
This is in comparison to all the south americans I've met in my life who have nothing but rubbish to talk about Argentina, calling you arrogant, whiney and hated. They don't say it to your faces because they know you'll just whine like little girls about it for the next God knows how many hours. Seriously, the world thinks you're a joke nation run by crying schoolgirls. No major achievements, no world respected leaders, you can spout how your country did this that and the other but no-one knows about it outside of your borders because, frankly, no-one cares.
British education system again at work. What has the UK done of useful practically in the last 50 years? hahahaha.
@98
Did we ever want your trust or like? We have been insulting you and ignoring you for the last 100 years. You coudn't even get us to enter WWII for you, when you bullied the rest of Latin America in doing so. hahahaha. losers.
In the same way as during the closing stages of WW2 it was decided to not do away with an upstart Austrian corporal who could only do more damage by remaining in power.
We are happy with that.
I would return the question to you and say what has Argentina done in it's entire history, because I'll happily bet my right nut that 150 years of Argie rubbish has achieved less than the UK does in a standard decade or even five year period.
Funny, in the other thread it said it was our fault.
Or.... you just are talking out of your arse. Tell me, do people run into panic everytime your fart? You know that's the new normal in the USA... a baby accidentally pops his or her balloon and people run for their lives. What a hellish place to live! I'm sure Somalians feel at home though with all the ammo going off around them.
@102
The WWW?? Is that like how the Mexicans invented chocolate? LOL
Anyone who says something like that deserves to be banned. If you understood even an iota about computing, you would know that it took inventions from Japan, Germany, France, Italy, USA, Canada, Brazil, Lebanon, just to name a few, for you to be being humiliated by me right now.
UK invented the www? hahahaha, didn't a US presidential candidate lose an election for saying something exactly so retarted?
@100
Here is crumbling Mendoza... hahaha
foro.univision.com/t5/Practicando-en-los-Foros/MDZ/m-p/443362863#M1989896
Oh my what a beatdown the antis are suffering.
Basically involves moving on to a new argument each time one is lost, instead of admitting defeat, see it plenty from the ultra Ks.
Funny they haven't reported any patents since 2008.
So yeah Argentina is one of the dumbest laziest countries in the world. They only thing they can rely on is the weather and hope and pray it gives them a good crop. I think most of the world gave that up a hundred year ago.
Really?
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/milk-prices-farm-bill_n_1933217.html
You better pray for rain this year, or enjoy your 15-20 dollar latte.... hahahaha.
Of course, 99% of Americans are far poorer than you yankee, so I guess when they have to pay 8 dollars for a 3L milk, welll... they will be brewing som grass for breakfast.
America #1! (no milk soon though... and how's that manned space program doing?)
You say...:
Can we also leave Celias cat out of the verbal exchanges too please?
I say....:
Celias cat...?
If by that you are referring to the charming father of your grandchildren; no problem with me ;-)
Never lived in your country as I said before, I spent about three days there in the past. If I have a British passport I would've use it as toilet paper long ago.
74 Beef “RKH are still on course”...to the toilet :-))
clip2net.com/s/2AKoT
Yeah, yeah, pull the other one!
How's the weather in St Albans?
Nice to see you on this video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_mkwB9ayK4
“What has the UK done of useful practically in the last 50 years? hahahaha.”
Hmm! lets see the vertical take-off jet a.k.a. the Harrier jump-jet. With only 26 of them took on all of Argentines air-force, apparently with great success.
Military. Ok. Kudos. Everyone knows that the last thing to wane is military power when a country declines. First economic growth, then innovative culture, then military power backed by growth and culture. But then the economic engine ceases, moral turpitude descends... but you still have a military legacy. That has happened all throughout history. In 50 years you will lose that as well as your military mirrors your decline.
Channel 4, 9:00pm. do not miss it.
The Rusty Lady? No thanks, I rather watch Messi right now in this nice summer day.
Nozzy runs out of things to talk about so he creates attention by speaking about fantasies and himself.
That has run its course, now.
Yeah they hate us so much they just don't want to leave as they love it here!
I think you got your wires crossed as its clear everyone hates Argentina even your own neighboring south American countries can not bloody stand your country, due it is constant whining and i want this attitude were you throw your toys out of the pram when you don't get what you want. Much like the Argentine response The Sun newspapers letter.
Who said anything about the programme being about Maggie, I certainly did not? your right of course, it is.
I repeat, pull the other one!
We also invented RADAR, CATs eyes, discovered DNA, developed Beta Blockers and Birth control Pills, the portable defiblirator...............To name but a few of the many achievements of the British of the 20th century. All of these things contribute to the saving of millions of lives, and the development of important technology. To put it simply your argument is god-awful.....
I know I am right
www.channel4.com/
I doubt YOU speak for anybody other than yourself... you certainly are not representative of Argentines. ...
and you often seem to be confused about which one of you YOU even represent. |-0
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“”“ Everyone knows that the last thing to wane is military power when a country declines. First economic growth, then innovative culture, then military power backed by growth and culture. But then the economic engine ceases, moral turpitude descends...”“”
aka the history of Argentine from 20th century first world super-power to impoverished non-entity in the 21st century.
any relation to CFK bud? you share the foot-shooting affliction...
Yeah, yeah, pull the other one.
Left alone?
You are a nasty arrogant bunch of people who have no identity, or at least a very confused identity.
Your thrashing about like an epoleptic in a fit with regards to the Falkland Islands, shows your pure paranoid philosophy regarding a group of islands that are in no way exposed to any 'claim' of ownership by (what is today), Argentina.
I know South America, and you Argentinians are the most Rascist, stupid, arrogant, bunch of Morons on this little planet of ours i have ever had the displesure to know.
Maybe he also could post photos of the immense rubbish dump on the rubbish strewn road to the airport with the dark skinned bare feet children root around for something to play with whilst the parents try to find something to use or sell... Or something a bit more central. What about around the bus terminal..? Nice.
here here, well said!
You ask a question . When its answered, you promptly move the goal-posts. What you call a decline still leaves the UK way ahead of Argentina. The most important thing, is to stay ahead of the curve. While you stick to your crystal ball. It's the same mindset as Argentine policy. Classic bully mentality. Except the UK was way too tough a nut for you to crack . But then again, thats all losers can do is dream.
“I really wonder what would happen if Argentina renounced the claim and left the Falklanders alone”.
Well if you renounded the claim, but wanted links you would get £millions more income through trade.
If not Argentina then someone else in South America.
South America would then be at a great advantage having strong links with the Commonwealth, and UK, to SA advantage.
Just read it, thought Mr Tinmans comments were enlighening too. Nice of him to be concerned about Europes so called social problems, though I think he would be better employed, sorting his own out first.
www.lanacion.com.ar/1543413-el-gobierno-repudio-las-amenazas-de-cameron-por-malvinas
'Argentina rejected Cameron's statements about the Falklands - ”The aggressiveness of the words of British Prime Minister confirm the complaint made to the United Nations about the militarization of the South Atlantic ”, said the Chancellery...'
www.infobae.com/notas/689986-Argentina-rechazo-las-declaraciones-de-Cameron-sobre-las-Islas-Malvinas.html
Proof positive of the intention to export the Dirty War and expose the Falklanders to the same reign of terror they had on their own citizens as soon as they felt confident that the UK would defend their fellows. Secret police and their “files,” threats to kill noncompliant islanders, undocumented land mines, playing russian roulette with civilians detaining civilians illegally in unmarked buildings in a war zone, shooting from surrender stances, medical facilitates used to support hostilities, undocumented land mines, and in the end, the cherry on top, intent to use the civilians of Stanley as human shields as defeat was inevitable and imminent (which caused Menendez to surrender before facing unavoidable charges war crimes that no act of “grace in victory” could override). The revisionist history spoon-fed to Argentines so they could sleep easy about their failure to overthrow the Junta before it became the Falklanders and UKs problem (and how the UK's humiliation of the Junta's henchmen on the Islands caused the Argentines to finally rid themselves of the Junta, years late and pesos short for its victims) is not going to last forever. The rest of the adult world knows that Argentina forfeited what minuscule small moral claim to the Islands that any sane country could claim.
You want to explain why you are going to the UN and complaining about article 51 of their Charter? Remember that? you should do, you signed it.
Surely the most appropriate thing to do, would be to bulldoze the place, wipe it from the face of the earth and place an even more appropriate memorial there.
Just my opinion.
If there was every an example of a country ABSOLUTELY declining and not just RELATIVELY declining it is Argentina.
To think that once Argentina and Australia were two of the wealthiest countries. And now look at the divergence. Australia is indeed one of the richest and most stable countries on Earth. Argentina is so far behind that it can't even be categorised with Australia any longer.
Argentina has short bursts of growth followed by terrible destruction of wealth and hence is now much poorer than Australia and Britain.
Argentina's military has been starved of funds because the government is too scared they will take over. Australia and Britain never have this fear and both have efficient and lethal defence forces.
Argentina doesn't innovate. Britain's innovation and inventions are extensive. Australia, younger and smaller, less so but still extensive. If you are using the internet with a wifi connection then Britain and Australia accepts your thanks as the countries that respectively invented them.
Britain's economic engine has not ceased. For someone who can't argue's supposedly extensive use of archaic english, you would think he would know the difference between recession and depression or implosion.
Moral turpitude….. LOL really doesn't convey the laugh I am having. Did you recently apply for travel to the US? Which country recently had looting?
A great article from a university in my hometown:
www.swinburne.edu.au/chancellery/mediacentre/international/news/2012/07/argentina-can-learn-from-australia
Ridiculous of course but no more so than Argentinas claim to the Falkland Islands AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Sure except Argentina protested since 1833,6 invitation to a court of justice,10 UNGA,25 C24 res,10 Mercosur,OAS,Unasur res..red: Just shut up,imbecile...
:-)
Desperate CFK now relies on the British, for transport,
Humiliated and shamed, you just couldn’t make it up
ha ha .
more dialogue, more diplomacy, more peace.
You are nervous David smoke Cameron you have no arguments and have no rights. So you need to resort to violence, true David?
Only loser like CFK needs this out dated methods,
We just either ignore you, or put you right on ya lies,
that’s enough to blow CFKs mind.
Still,
She could always fly with the best,
BRITISH, you know it makes sense ha ha .
@121 “I think you got your wires crossed as its clear everyone hates Argentina even your own neighboring south American countries can not bloody stand your country, due it is constant whining and i want this attitude were you throw your toys out of the pram when you don't get what you want”
@125 “aka the history of Argentine from 20th century first world super-power to impoverished non-entity in the 21st century.”
@127 “You are a nasty arrogant bunch of people who have no identity, or at least a very confused identity.I know South America, and you Argentinians are the most Rascist, stupid, arrogant, bunch of Morons on this little planet of ours i have ever had the displesure to know.”
@128 “Maybe he also could post photos of the immense rubbish dump on the rubbish strewn road to the airport with the dark skinned bare feet children root around for something to play with whilst the parents try to find something to use or sell”
@131 “Except the UK was way too tough a nut for you to crack . But then again, thats all losers can do is dream.”
@142 “If there was every an example of a country ABSOLUTELY declining and not just RELATIVELY declining it is Argentina.”
@146 “Humiliated and shamed, you just couldn’t make it up
ha ha .”
Well, I think that covers it right?
You are all a bunch of racist, genetically superior believing, supercilious jerks who see Argentines as inferior scum, and Argentina as the worst place on this planet.
The evidence doesn't lie. Then you wonder why we don't exactly like you, foreigners.
I love Argentina and Argentineans, however that does not mean I need to like their government nor their economic policies.
YOU CAN'T ARGUE!
Something similar means Malvinas for the Argentines.
You can't prove a declining standard of living...
If you really “loved” Argentina, you would not lie so toothlessly about the place.
You are new here. I won't be long till you tire of the “rational” poster façade that actually insist he likes argentines, and you fully come out of the closet... which in this forum has a totally different connotation.
Only removed the illegal flag of the United Kingdom.
Only a small garrison was removed.
So why the UK angry and send a task force?
Oh of course, when it's your turn, you do not like it?
Yeah but you stole the ring you left your mother, so you can't complain when the original owner takes it back.
“You are all a bunch of racist, genetically superior believing, supercilious jerks who see Argentines as inferior scum, and Argentina as the worst place on this planet.”
That's only your opinion as an individual defensive nutter.
Another individual @127 does seem to believe that Argentina is the worst place on the planet, and the worst people. He says he is qualified to make that statement because of his personal experiences with Argentinians. He is entitled to that opinion too. You don't know his nationality or background, so you cannot attribute those sentiments to ALL Brits, or ANY Brits, for that matter.
Rascist??? - I see no racist statements by Brits. There are however, observations of certain race inequality in Argentina. Fair game to report that your aboriginal people seem to be the majority if the very poor, representing a visible sub-class of people in your society.
Posters are also pointing out your attempts to misrepresent Mendoza as a very affluent utopia, omitting the starving population of the region that is trying to scratch out a subsistance living.
You come across as embarrassed by your country and angry that you have been exposed for lying about it.
Our Freedom of expression-Our Freedom of choice - Our Laws and Legal system-our Freedom of what radion station we listen to -Our Freedom to live OUR lives theyway WE want to in OUR homeland.
Get the picture? Britain stands up for peoples Rights and Political Freedoms.
She always has.
Where did I single out the brits there? I've said on many occassion the entire world thinks that of us.
And you removed the Argentines,living peacefully in 1833. Sorry,but we will get back MAlvinas......It is never going to go away..the brits ARE GOING away fro the SA! That is a FIRM!
#145,tonto: AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHA SUPER LIAR! Just move out from the planet earth...
“
Where did I single out the brits there? I've said on many occassion the entire world thinks that of us.”
That's your comment???
I think you had best deal with these posts individually, instead of generalising.
Not ALL foreigners hate you. I suspect that MOST know nothing about you, SOME do not even know you exist. SEVERAL just don't care!
Sorry, that's a truth.
NO racist comments were made about Argentina, in your list.
NOBODY has suggested they are “genetically superior believing”, but I'm sure MANY on here feel they are CULTURALLY superior to Argentina, and your invasion of the Falklands, 1970's & 80's democide of aboriginals, 'disappearances', propaganda campaigns, and class warfare, will make MANY believe they are MORALLY superior to you as well.
This is not confined to 'foreigners' or those outside of Argentina.
What a pathetic worthless filthy little liar you are! It's well documented that one of the first acts of your precious Junta's secret police on the Falklands was to arrest and deport critics like Luxton and Colville. That of course backfired once they were free from the Junta's jackboot to tell the world the truth about the treatment of the civilians at which point your beloved Fascists simply made a local prison camp for them.
Racist?? Racist?? Might I remind you of this little comment you wrote on another story?
“It is germane to this topic to raise the issue of Autism on European genetics”
MMMM it would appear that you too are a racist AND a lower form of pond life...
as for this little gem.....
You are all a bunch of racist, genetically superior believing, supercilious jerks who see Argentines as inferior scum, and Argentina as the worst place on this planet.
Well, true to form, when you have lost an arguement you revert to the tired old position of.... Everyone hates us........poor widdle us.... the whole world is against.... wa, wa, wa......you know what? Save it for the social worker sweetheart
And the house your mother lives in was built on the land you stole from the inhabitants. You can't quote morality to us when you are lacking it.
www.leftfootforward.org/2013/01/a-letter-to-the-president-of-argentina/
'Vitriol Over Falklands Resurfaces, as Do Old Arguments'
www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/world/americas/argentinas-call-for-return-of-falkland-islands-causes-a-stir.html
Before her “open letter” ad, only a small proportion of the population in the UK had any notion of the Falkland Islands.
Her provocation woke up the British bulldog to defend the Falkland Islands.
Thanks a lot, Cristina.
Your not talking about jewellery here, your talking about real live people, with real hopes and aspirations and rights to freedoms enjoyed by everyone else on this planet. You want to take those from them, we on the other hand want to help them keep them. It is that simple.
The New York Times says in the piece from your link that Argentina “gained independence in 1816” - this is not quite true. To declare independence is one thing, to gain independence is another. And anyway the Republic of Argentina, as such, did not exist until after 1850.
@147 Wrong, Whortense. Try this. No war. Correct, we'll just be squashing a bug. No weapons - See above for how you can be drowned. Irrational? - Shut up then. More dialogue? What do you want to talk about? If it's the Falklands, don't waste our time. More diplomacy? We're polite. More peace? We haven't bombed you. Yet. We're not interested in “arguing” and we have all the rights we need. Goodbye.
@149 Congratulations, you're really getting the hang of copy and paste. As for the rest, you have to understand that there is no racism. Argies aren't a race. Being “genetically superior” is open to question. However, in the case of individuals such as yourself, mental inferiority is an obvious FACT. I'm happy to agree that not all Argentines, possibly, are inferior scum. It's just that you are. As for argieland being the worst place on the planet, I'd have to agree that it's not. Syria, at the moment, is probably worse. So is Iran. It is sort of on a par with Somalia. But Somalia is slightly better. Its thieves often succeed. Yours rarely do.
“You can't prove a declining standard of living...”
Indeed I can. For those that understand, even a tiny amount of economics, know that extremely high inflation and low growth lead to a decline in living standards. Savings are decimated and consumption is bought forward to compensate for the continual loss of spending power. Poorer people are disproportionally affected as a larger proportion of their income is needed for living expenses.
“If you really loved Argentina, you would not lie so toothlessly about the place.”
An extremely silly and juvenile statement. How can love be conditional? And please list all my lies about Argentina. Love is not being a sycophant. And being patriotic is not unswerving and unquestioning loyalty to a government. It is knowing what is best for your country. My current government has done some good and quite frankly a lot of bad-I look forward to them losing an election this year. My country is not defined by a government. They are there to enable not control.
“You are new here. It won't be long till you tire of the “rational” poster façade that actually insist he likes argentines, and you fully come out of the closet...”
Unlike you I do not hide who I am. You are right I am new here and for that reason you know very little of me. Just because you reek of your own disappointment and compromised your own standards, please don't ever presume to know mine. Unlike you, I am a confident and secure person with a sound personality and I don't abandon my own standards in a vain attempt to fit in or lower them when cornered. If you are waiting for me to drop to your level then it will be in vain, though I am sure you will spend the next several years waiting and hoping.
I am not above the odd snide comment or quip, but unlike you I do not schizophrenically oscillate between attempts at rationale dripping with delusions of grandeur and manic desperation.
Only one of us wears a façade here.
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-211350-2013-01-07.html
The national government repudiated the “militaristic threats” made by the Prime Minister of Britain, David Cameron, who said he was “ready to fight” to maintain colonial rule over the Falkland Islands. The Foreign Ministry issued a statement in which he asks the premier to “not use the legitimate and peaceful demands” made by Argentina in international fora “to continue to support the arms industry, rather than alleviate the severe social crisis being experienced Europe ”.
The response of the Palacio San Martin insists Britain require that meets “the obligation to accept the resolutions of the United Nations to resolve the issue peacefully Falklands”.
“The aggressiveness of the words of British Prime Minister confirm the complaint made by the Republic of Argentina to the United Nations about the militarization of the South Atlantic and the possible presence of nuclear weapons introduced by the colonial power,” said Foreign Ministry.
During an interview with the BBC, Cameron said it is “absolutely essential to have fast jets and troops stationed in the islands” and stressed that his country “has one of five defense budgets in the world.”
Therefore, the portfolio by the Minister Héctor Timerman asked the British premier “do not use the legitimate and peaceful demands” that Argentina made “against the usurpation of part of our territory and against colonialism as an excuse to continue to support the arms industry rather than alleviate the severe social crisis currently affecting Europe. ”
All he is doing is to up the rhetoric, plain for anyone to see and frankly laughable.
He is one of the most stupid diplomats in the last decade. I find if impossible someone is that deliberately dumb and still had a job.
I agree. He would be much better off advising her to back off and use quiet diplomacy, because every time she goes public, it seems to backfire spectacularly, all it does here, is to increse the British publics resolve.
You have to wonder if she already knows that and has people are saying, is meley using the issue has a distraction from current Argentine domestic and economic problems.
They only understand if you give it right back. They'll always back down because they are not very smart and generally cowardly.
Where I come from a “sheep shagger” is a term of enderament, so stop trying to butter me up with your compliments.
In the words the words of the late great Arthur ASKEY, “I thank yewww!!!”
Major cities under water AGAIN..seems like every 3 or 4 days now.
I guess that is what happens when you build for a decade but don't upgrade the sewers.
If anyone is wondering where our RG crazies are they probably have no electricity or are trapped in a flooded street.
Bahahaha
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252030/Floods-leave-hundreds-homeless-Christmas---village-wonders-just-spent-1-2-million-flood-defences.html
Merry Chrisymas LMAO
The difference is that the UK hasn't spent the last 50 years bleating to the world about an expulsion that never happened.
EVERY 3 days; no electricity, massive damage to public and private property, lost wages, lost productivity, Sewage filled streets, and yet NOTHING GETS FIXED.
Ahh but CFK can spend U$1MM on a private jet or U$2MM on a house for her UNEMPLOYED SON all while her personal accounts grew day by day.
Doesn't it make you sick to your stomach? Or are you too stupid to realize you are getting robbed blind?
Peskyman.
Always liked to play the field myself, being monogamous though, I never sheared my woman with anyone, so you will have to find your own!
Humour too sophisticated, for him/her you think?
Back to theme.
UK has every right to excercise the right to self defence under article 51 of the UN Charter. A charter to which Argentina is a signatory. Cameron has every right to say the UK will excercise that r.ght, nothing provocative or militarising about that.
Given the overwhelming force used the last time they invaded, it makes sense to have sufficient strength there and on standby, should they consider the same action again.
It still amazes me that they continue to bleat on about the UK militarising the SA, FFS it is because of these muppets and there aggressive actions and behaviour, they are a total embarrassment.
“It is interesting that you coincide your call for the Falklands at a time when your own people have been protesting at the endemic failures of your right-wing government. Argentina faces removal from the IMF and is ranked toward the bottom of the world table on perceptions of corruption. While you ‘never wear an outfit twice’ and cover yourself in jewels and designer labels your own people are suffering. Playing the Falklands card might be a nice smokescreen for your own policy failures but it will not help Argentina out of the mess you have left her in, just as it didn't help the dictatorial junta that invaded in 1982.”
“The Falklands have never had an indigenous population – but the current inhabitants have a better claim than anyone to being natives. Like Britain, Argentina has a shameful colonial past – it is therefore odd to act holier than thou when your own country is founded upon the blood of Amerindians. Europeans conquered Argentina, their descendants tried to conquer the Falklands and now, having failed, you act surprised that Britain and the Islanders feel there is nothing to negotiate.”
“Perhaps one day a President of Argentina will write to a British paper apologising for the invasion, apologising for the dishonouring of our war dead and recognising the Falkland Islanders’ sovereignty. Until then, I too look to the United Nations. So let’s take this back to first principles, Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2 of the UN Charter – the right to self-determination.”
I am partaking in a salubrious and well accorded furlough from duty! I depart at 4:40. So in my sorely mourned absence I would enjoin you to remain leery of your redaction, I will be sdrutinizing your contributions once I return, and admonishing, objurgating, and castigating with due commeupance all transgressions, fibs, prevarications, mendacities, vituperations, and obloquy.
As a latitudinarian gesture, I hope the British posters here can during my leave finally find a job so they can become productive citizens again, but given the country they live in I hold exceedingly reduced expectations they will succeed. Such is the nature of Broken Britain.
I also will propitiate the higher powers that they may protect Yankeeboy from the approximately 15 mass shootings that will certainly take place in his morally forlorn nation of his. I hold hope he and others around him will not die of a heart attack when they hear achild's balloon popping when he attends a movie theater next weekend, thinking it was a mass shooter on the lose, as it is now customary as a visceral reaction in the peaceful, chariming United States.
I will also pray for Captain Poppy to be able to afford his milk at least until February, before him along with half of the USA is forced to brew Bermuda grass for breakfast when milk goes to 8 dollars.
I will also keep in my thoughts Anglotino, so that Australia is spared this year from some massive cyclone, biblical flood, disastrous drought, or some mice plague. You know, every year is something different in that forsaken locale.
I will pray for the other Europeans from France to Spain to Italy, so that they have enough food to eat.
I will hope Germany is spared another mass outbreak of deadly bacteria in alfalfa sprouts.
I will ponder over Latin America ex-Argentina, and hope they can someday even come remotely close to what Argentina did in its history.
And with that, ttyl!!!
As illiterate as ever I see - you see, dictionaries aren't actually much use unless you have a basic grasp of the language you are trying to write in. You, I am afraid, have no such basic grasp and consequently just confirm your status as a prize plonker :-)
...and you are telling us because??? what???
You think that anyone will miss you?? We won't
You think that we care in anyway about you?? We don't
You thing that this forum revolves around you?? It doesn't
The best thing you can do is f**k off and don't come back. Oh and that oxygen you are breathing? it could be used to keep someone far more worthwhile alive, you self centred, egotistcal, Narcissistic, selfish, useless gene-dogding, bottom feeder....
P.s:- Happy New Year
Lots of love from
The U.K
% of population living in poverty:
Argentina = 30% (which is worse than Ethiopia, Nepal, Laos ..)
Spain = 20%
Germany = 15%
USA = 15%
United Kingdom =14%
% unemployment:
Argentina = 7.6%
United Kingdom = 7.5%
Do be sure to enjoy your ration of unemployment gruel .. enriched with sawdust :-)
But in Britain you are classified as poor if you have not got Sky TV!
Having worked extensively in that industry, I think you will find that the target marketing demographic for cable and satellite TV are the poorer people .. the ones who can't afford to do other things ;)
How much does someone want to bet by the end of the week we have a new poster that is just as narcissistic, crazy and stupid as all of his other personas. For a week or so he will swear that he isn't Tony then finally relent.
I bet U$20 he is back in a week or less.
dailycurrant.com/2013/01/07/mapuche-people-cristina-kirchner-return-argentina/
The Mapuche want their country back!!!!!
“I will also keep in my thoughts Anglotino, so that Australia is spared this year from some massive cyclone, biblical flood, disastrous drought, or some mice plague. You know, every year is something different in that forsaken locale.”
Why thank you so much. It would’ve been nice if this was a sincere wish, however a prolific use of archaic language hardly masked your schadenfreude.
Unfortunately for you, you can’t retract this comment and it is there for all to see.
While there are no cyclones, floods, droughts or mice problems right now, we are facing one of the worst bushfires seasons ever. You probably didn’t even realise that emergency services are currently combing the devastating bushfires in Tasmania looking for bodies in some of the 100+ burnt homes. I doubt few could take perverse pleasure in that.
www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/dome-of-heat-to-stretch-fire-services-to-the-limit-20130108-2cdes.html
Though it is interesting that you only mention natural disasters, for even though “every year is something different in that forsaken locale” we have still managed to build one of the best run, prosperous and stable nations on the planet. With less than half the population and just over 200 years European settlement than Argentina we have managed to create a country with one of the highest standards of living together with low unemployment, high growth, low inflation, low corruption, strong institutions, stable society and a resilient democracy.
Yes, I see now why you highlighted natural disasters.
These are not inflicted by incompetent government. Our authorities fighting these disasters are not politicised or emasculated by a populist government. Our infrastructure is not crumbling due lack of investment by short sighted governments that try to distract us with nationalistic jingoism.
Thank you again for letting me highlight how well my country is managed compared to yours.
You have indeed become everything you say you detest.
Now my question. Is this the best publication that Britain can use to spread its vile when confronted with a reasonable challenge? I am sure that its war mongering fire spit was thought up by The SUN publishers themselves.
My lord things are bad in Britain. Argentina paid top bucks for their add in the Guardian.
Keep at it, shoot your selves in the foot....00ops... I mean peg leg. Nice image of yourselves you leave to the rest world. Warmongers!!
First you need to tell the world when the sad little warmongering argie tossers plan on sending a reasonable challenge, cos they sure as hell haven't managed to mount one yet.
“A tabloid published with the lazy ass uneducated of Britain ”
Yet the Sun are correct about the history of 1833. which makes the Argentine government incredibly uneducated.
Argentine government, cannot research the history properly in their own archives-must try harder.
“yawn”
weak weak weak comeback
about as much substance as your childish taunting.
Anglotino and Vuggevise make intellectual arguments to your throwaway charges - you are incapable of answering back, moron.
But you only want to needle until you get a reaction and reasonable discussion and the message get deflected, right?
You are right, but it isn't a waste of time. It is more like a gym workout for the brain. Exercising it. After all, he is hardly challenging and other than my need to look up the meaning of some archaic words, it is no more difficult than mopping a floor.
I mean look at the calibre of people on here. ProRG_American tried to besmirch The Sun and yet shot himself in the foot when assuming (claiming/thinking) that this was Britain spreading the word. Oh to have a simplistic worldview and not actually having to think like him.
Neither of them are a challenge and yet they are highly entertaining in their own way.
Which just goes to show, you don't need to be Albert Einstein to refute the Malvinista case. Thanks for all your help with that, incidentally.
Yes, you are correct, things are not too good in the UK....but , Christ, look at Argentina. At least we can bask in the knowledge that if things are not brilliant here, we are in paradise compared with over there!
Its all lies they shout,
But fail to prove there case in the ICJ,
Still
Talking exercises the tongue no doubt.
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Our carrier at the houses of parliament
Titter titter..
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/9785205/Pictures-of-the-day-7-January-2013.html
go on have a look.
I am not up on page 3 girls but I don't think a public vote would prefer a topless 60 year old with extensive plastic surgery to her face, to a nubile 19 year old. Of course, I don't see CFK through your myopic vision. Maybe we should ask the Sun to run a readers -(if any Sun buyer can read ) -to have a vote on the subject. I am not interested one way or the other.
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