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Twenty four South Atlantic countries meet in Uruguay to promote cooperation

Twenty four countries from South America and Africa with coast on the Atlantic Ocean will be debating next week in Uruguay how to increase cooperation in several fields such as environment, charting and seabed resources exploration and fighting organized crime.

Montevideo will host the two-day meeting next week

The VII Ministerial meeting of the Peace and cooperation Zone of the South Atlantic was created in 1986 following on a resolution from the UN General Assembly, and will take place on January 15/16.

The meeting is scheduled to work and advance on a Plan of Action adopted in Luanda, Angola in 2007, according to the Uruguayan Foreign Ministry that is organizing and hosting the event.

The purpose is to generate “cooperation mechanisms with visible results addressing environment issues, air and sea terminals security, mapping and exploration of the sea bed and combating trans-national organized crime”.

Born as an initiative to promote peace and security in the region and as part of a process to revalue south-south links and cooperation, since first launched it has only held six Foreign ministers meetings, the last of which in 2007.

Ministers of Defence from several of the member countries are also expected to attend the meeting in Montevideo.

The peace and cooperation zone of the South Atlantic is made up of Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay from South America and Angola, Benin, Cape Verde, Cameroon, Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Ivory Coast, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Equatorial Guinea, Liberia, Namibia, Nigeria, Sao Tome and Principe, Senegal, Sierra Leona, South Africa and Togo.
 

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1 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
ah another chance to spout off about the Falklands, wonder if Ghana and rgenweener's representative will say to each other.
Ministers of Defence from several of the member countries are also expected to attend the meeting in Montevideo. So the perfect opportunity for them to pay lip service to the tinman and flick him the bird when he turns round
2 reality check (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
No doubt he will complain about the UK ramping up the Militarisation of the South Atlantic in their recent deployment of 150 Division ot the Falkland Islands. Whoops silly me, did I type Divisions, I meant soldiers.
3 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
@2 bad man LOL
4 Anbar (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile... even less tourist via cruise ships will be going to Argentina.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20998358

“Foot, shoot, own, your” - rearrange if you are the Argentine Government.

I suppose they could talk at this meeting about all the other countries are benefiting from the loss of tourists to Argentina. ;-)
5 ChrisR (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
At least Uruguay will get the revenue from the hotels and restaurants, can’t see anything else coming out of it.
6 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
24 countries,including Sao Tome and Principe,an island 964 Km square in size.So MAlvinas is not there? AHAHAHAHAHA of course not the pirates are not represented...
7 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
@6 of course not dickhead they are a British Overseas Territory, however there are a few countrys from the Commonwealth there (including Ghana).....do you have a Commonwealth or Overseas Territories, of course not no one likes you
8 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
6 of course not dickhead they are a British Overseas Territory, however there are a few countrys from the Commonwealth there (including Ghana
lazy,is it represented Malvinas or not,imbecile? No we are not pirates..idiot!garbage,uk is FINISHED,pirate nation scum of the world!
9 ynsere (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
ChrisR @ 5
Exactly, Chris. Good business. Got a friend making her little pile out of this sort of extravaganza. The more the merrier.
10 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@8 of course The Falklands are not represented they ARE A BOT, whats so difficult to understand you imbecile. Malvinests (not decent Argentinians) scum of the earth, get back to me in a few months I'll send you 50p towards your food ..................NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH that's right you don't live there anyway do you knobend? You couldn't be pirates anyway you need ships for that !!!!!
11 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
An international meeting about Peace and cooperation in the South Atlantic within the UN framework: “BOTs” missing representation.

Lack of recognition, perhaps?

British colonies are not welcome.
12 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
@11 British Overseas Territories don't give a fook they know they will be looked after comprendi? And how can rgenweener talk about peace and cooperation, what a joke, I'll have some of what your smoking.
13 reality check (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
21 African countries and 3 South American countries, seems like a lot of other people are'nt welcome either, or more than likey, could not be fooookin bovvered!
14 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
@13 “seems like a lot of other people are'nt welcome either”

What South Atlantic countries are missing?

“BOTs” missing representation.
Lack of recognition, perhaps?
British colonies are not welcome.

:)
15 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
@14 why represent your countries and waste money at a meaningless meeting that is so important it hasn't been held since 2007, bit like the c24 and other so called meetings that rgenweener attend just to gob off and get blanked by the rest of the world, still i suppose they go for a laugh. We wait with baited breath for the reports from Vietnam and the rest of the places CFK is visiting (in her British hired jet) for the rhetoric and bullshit about the Falklands and then wait for everybody to shoot her down in shite and the sound of laughter and “who was that idiot”
16 reality check (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
I said South American, not South Atlantic.
Here's the list, look them up yourself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_American_countrie...
According to the UN list, 11 by my count!

Oh, dear and one of them is the Falklands.

Did the article say this was set up as a result of a UN resolution? So if they wanted to attend?

You can work out the ramifications of that for yourself, I'm sure your capable.
17 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
@16 i doubt it mate, he's not capable of going to the loo by himself
18 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
@15 Well, you spend money on meaningless referendums...

@16 This is a “SOUTH ATLANTIC” meeting.
I don`t know what countries like Peru has to do with the South Atlantic...
British Colonies are right at the heart of the South Atlantic and they´re missing.

I`m sure the Metropolis will be invited when colonial possessions in the South Atlantic is debated.

:)
19 reality check (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
Whoooops!! South Atlantic, get it now.
Like my teachers used to say, RTFQ!

Unlike some on here, I'll admit it when I've bollocksed up.

But the Falkand Island point is still valid. Established by UN Resolution.
Accorfding to Wik, Falkands listed 14th on UN List of South American Countries and most deffinately in the South Atlantic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_American_countries_by_population

So what if they wanted to attend, I do sress if. I wonder could a certain party prevent them.
20 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@18 well we can afford it and actually fly in our own planes
21 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
@19 Ha ha ha Wikipedia? Try UN!

@ 20 After centuries of stealing the riches of hald a world, I bet you can...
22 reality check (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
HA ha ha.

This is a list of South American countries by population, primarily based on estimates by the United Nations Population Division.
23 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
@21 thats right ....................Jealous? Thats why you are trying to steal the Falklands is it not?
24 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
@22 Ha ha ha

Try again:
esa.un.org/wpp/Other-Information/WPP2010_Special%20Aggregates%20-%20list%20of%20groupings.pdf

World Population Prospects: The 2010 Revision - Special Aggregates: list of groupings (August 2011)
Type of aggregate, group, and constituents:
3. United Nations related groups:
NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES:
The Non-Self-Governing Territories consist of 16 territories as of May 2011: Western Sahara, SaintHelena Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, Bermuda, FALKLAND ISLANDS, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands,
Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States Virgin Islands, Gibraltar,
American Samoa, Guam, New Caledonia, Pitcairn, Tokelau. — Source: [1]
www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml (Accessed on 22.08.2011) and [2]:
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/gaspd422.doc.htm (Accessed on 22.08.2011)

Colony
25 reality check (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
Slatzzz

This how she is planning to go on her next trip. tI's all she can affford.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUHyCLbC9Pc
Sorry, she can afford the best, what I should have said was, what they can afford. TMBOA aint gonna use her own hard graft, I meant earned money to pay to travel on their business,

Whoops, spot the deliber
26 cornishair (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
ummm... Tierra del Fuegue was an Argentinaen colony till 1990? so how is that different to the Falklands?.
27 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
@24 one fuck up with your statement. Well all of it actually I said before do some homework to stop you looking a tit.
simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_overseas_territories
28 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORY

Colony
29 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
@28 you really are thick aren't you, do you not get that if any of those territorys wanted to be independant they only have to ask, but no they prefer to remain under the umbrella of the UK whilst running thier own goverments, laws and policies, depending on the UK for nothing but defence against twats like Rgenweener, in return we offer them stability and ANY aid they require as well as someone they can ALWAYS rely on. What could you offer except propoganda and a failing state
30 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
They prefer to remain under the umbrella of the UK = Colony
31 cornishair (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
The Agentinean land pirates are getting boring now! whats funny is they've stolen far land the we ever did. Silly land pirates!!!
32 slattzzz (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
@30 no it means they are FREE to decide what they want.....get it yet?
33 Anglotino (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
The UK did not support the establishment of this ineffective grouping 30 years ago. Also Norway, which also has an island in the region, does not attend.

It would be hard for the Falklands to attend something called the “South Atlantic Peace and Cooperation Zone” when one if the existing members has already invaded it and keeps threatening it.

Expect lofty pronouncement that mean little and will be ignored even by those pronouncing.
34 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
@33 Of course it didn`t. The UK is precisely a menace to Peace in the Zone of the South Atlantic.
35 reality check (#) Jan 12th, 2013 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
That's rich! coming from someone whose country is responsible for starting the most recent war in the South Atlantic.

Standby for the classic RG reply, they did not start the war.
36 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 12:51 am Report abuse
@28 Islas Maligna

Check the links again.

Falklands have an elected Legislative Council ELECTED by the FI people:

“Falkland Islands

The Government consists of an elected Legislative Council. The Governor is the head of government and leads the Executive Council, consisting of appointed members made up from the Legislative Council and two ex-offico members.”
37 Anglotino (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 02:09 am Report abuse
@34 Islas Malvinas

“Of course it didn`t. The UK is precisely a menace to Peace in the Zone of the South Atlantic.”

Really? Please enlighten me on which country in this region was the last one that invaded the internationally recognised sovereign territory of another country?

Remember when answering this question, that the UN recognises that the UK has sovereignty over the Falkland Islands as shown by the islands inclusion on the Decolonisation list.

So tell me, which country invaded the UN recognised sovereign territory of another country?

Which country is a menace? Which country forces the UK to station so many troops in the region?
38 Frank (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 08:00 am Report abuse
3 south american countries.... 7 commonwealth countries... a smattering of french and portuguese speaking countries....I guess all business will be done in english
39 Tinx (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 10:25 am Report abuse
but American English not British English..for now !
you all are not businessmen
so you should learn foreign language(s) to keep in touch with foreigners.
40 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 11:20 am Report abuse
@37 “the UN recognises that the UK has sovereignty over the Falkland Islands”

Ha ha ha

You made my day
41 reality check (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 11:44 am Report abuse
Ah! that's kind of you to say so.
42 Anglotino (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
@40 Islas Malvinas

“You made my day”

Well it seems your low IQ and inability to articulate any independent and coherent thoughts are now bolstered by a complete lack of come-back skills.

You just couldn't answer the question could you!

If the UK doesn't have sovereignty, then who does?

The Falkland Islands? If that was the case then they wouldn't need to be decolonised.

Argentina? Well if that was the case then Argentina wouldn't be calling the UK an imperial power.

Your own government's words betray you.

What was that...... oh! I thought I heard a come-back forming. But nope.
43 redpoll (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
@33 Shhhush anglo. Dont tell the RGs about Bouvet Island! If they can find it on a map this will result in an immediate demand to the Norwegian govt for it to be “returned” immediately to Argentina
44 ae337 (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
first of all I would like to introduce myself, I'm from Buenos Aires and respectfully greet you all. I would like to know your opinion about today headlines about new plans to defend the Islands. Given the
calamitous state of our armed forces ( eg check what happened right now with the ARA Espora), which do you think is the real purpose behind this ? Are there any upcoming defense budget debate in UK perhaps ?
45 Shed-time (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
@44
'Trust in God and keep your powder dry', Oli Cromwell.
'Never ever ever trust an Argentine', Confucious

We basically don't trust you. You have a peronist (hitlerist) government that condones expansionism at any cost; your ruling elite are corrupt beyond words, running a terrorist organisation and a gang of early-release criminal thugs; and your nationalist government, having lied to everyone about its economic situation is about to bankrupt itself once again, calling all their bond-holders criminals.

It is a given that Argentinians hate democracy, self-determination, economic prosperity and political stability more than anything in the world. The South Atlantic Islands have little to do with South America, other than Chile and Uruguay. No one wants some South American verminous nation invading the Falklands during a referendum about their future. Given the recent rhetoric from the Argentine Fuhrer, them doing something stupid is a risk.

Get over it.
46 ChrisR (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
@45 Execellent.
47 briton (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
Are there any upcoming defense budget debate in UK perhaps

why should we tell you, what we are doing,
48 Frank (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
@44 Greetings. Is there something we don't know about Espora? Is there a reason that there wasn't a squeak about her arriving in MdP? Did she sink??
49 ae337 (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
wow, had no idea how much tension is in this blog, anyway thanks for answer me. Espora did not enter MdP because the workers couldnt dredge the harbor entrance in time . She just salute from outside and goes directly to Puerto Belgrano
50 briton (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
how much tension is in this blog

no tension here my friend

we are all friends.
51 Shed-time (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
@50 Correct, we're all friends here. I don't feel any tension.

@48 Dive-Wreck-in-waiting Espora draws 3.3m [1]. Mar de La Campora submarine base clearly has an undredged depth of 1.5 m, making it easy for all those 6.5m draughted submarines to get in and out really easy [2].

.... Oh, wait.

[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Espora_%28P-41%29
[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-1700_class_submarine
52 redpoll (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
@ae337 First ae, welcome to these threads. As a newcomer you evidently have not followed the debate which has been going on for many months on these blogs and attitudes have hardened in view of your governments continual pin pricking against the rights of the Flakland Islanders and thier right o decide thier own future, paticularly by some of your compatriots who are Camporistas and also by your President and Foriegn Minister. I dont say there are not nutcases on the otherside of the debate also. There are a number of intelligent Argentines who post regularly on these threads. So amigo you will have to fight your corner, I hope with courtecy, whatever it is on these threads
53 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
@49 ae337

Hello, and welcome. Hopefully we can have some friendly and useful dialog, but for reasons already mentioned, any new poster is not likely to be trusted.

We do realise there are a few, independently thinking, English- fluent, Argentines that visit this site. Hopefully, you are one of them. Regardless of your beliefs, welcome.
However, there are several posters, at least, several personas, who post on here only to promote the political agenda of CFK. They are relentlessly anti-British, and Anti-Falklands. They appear to have the same message, suggesting they are paid agents of your government. They deliberately cause harm, not only to us, but the ordinary citizens of Argentina as well.
They are NOT welcome, and in my opinion, fully deserve any criticism or dislike they receive, as they are fully aware of what they are doing, at the expense of others.
54 ae337 (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
thank you very much Red and Troy ! I'm not a truly English-fluent person but I'll do my best. Regarding Camporas posters , we have them in our news portals too , just get use to them. I'm almost 40 and I must sadly say that I never saw our country so divided as nowadays , but gladly will have our chance again in a couple of years to elect a new gov. Said that, do not get confused; I'm Argentinian regarding the islands but I like the idea to get in touch with some islanders and/or British in friendly discussions, if that is possible
55 Shed-time (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
@54 “ I'm Argentinian regarding the islands” = Believe in a nonsense revisionist history laid out in 1930s by a hitlerist expansionist government, and want the islanders eviscerated in order to fulfill your entrenched german genetics.

If you're 40, then you would have been 10 years old when your Mütter und Väter took you into the streets to clap and cheer when your country started the War of Aggression, in celebration of Argentina militarising the South Atlantic, no?
56 redpoll (#) Jan 13th, 2013 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
Ok ae. At your age you have been indoctrinated from an early age over what you call the Malvinas.
A large majority of Argentines cannot trace thier residence in Argentina back from more than four generations. Some of the islanders trace back thier families on the Falklands for nine generations yet your government treats them as implanted colonist squatters and as such will not talk to them about mutual interests in fisheries and oil development. A great way to make friends and influence people. The Falklanders like things the way they are. UK would give them thier independence if they wished it. They do have an elected legislature you know. If they wanted to request the withdrawal of British military forces from thier islands I am sure the Brits would oblidge. But they dont want that while they are under threat from Argentina
57 ae337 (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 12:02 am Report abuse
well in fact I'm first generation, my parents are italians.

Answering shed , no, I was not clapping, my father told me what was coming. The foundations on my believes I don't think can bring any productive thing here, so I will prefer move on
58 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 12:23 am Report abuse
@54 ae337

“Said that, do not get confused; I'm Argentinian regarding the islands but I like the idea to get in touch with some islanders and/or British in friendly discussions, if that is possible”

I'm sure that is possible. There are several on here, and I should let them answer you, not me.

We know what you have been taught all your life, starting at a young age.
However, it was politically motivated mis-information.

If you monitor this site long enough, you will be able to read the real history of the islands.
Many families on the Falklands go back 9 generations to the original inhabitants, Vernet's group and others from before 1833.

That was before Spain withdrew their claim, (so Argentina had no claim) and before there was an Argentina in 1853 ( so Argentina has no claim), and before Argentina conquered the Amerindians of Patagonia, ( so Argentina that existed, BA, was still over 1,000 miles away - nowhere near the islands ), and Chile was much closer to the Falklands.

Try reading a history of the Falkland Islands by Roger Lorton:

www.falklandia.com/Timeline/Introduction.htm

This book gives a history based on academic research by professional historians, based on verified documents and treaties of the various governments involved, as well as written accounts of inhabitants and mariners of several nationalities, of the 1700's and 1800's.

Roger Lorton occasionally posts on this site as “Lord Ton”.

Please take the time to discover this new perspective (for you).
59 Anglotino (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 12:51 am Report abuse
ae337

It is rare that an Argentinean is willing to openly debate and discuss issues on here. So many revert to jingoism and nationalistic slogans. Or even outright lies to support their viewpoint.

However I think you may have already decided to quit while you are ahead. You state that you are “Argentinian regarding the islands” but are not willing to discuss why you are or if you have all the information.

As a first generation immigrant you would understand how strong your attachment and identity is to Argentina, while still retaining a residual love and identity of your mother country. Now try to understand that that is exactly what the Islanders feel. And some of them are ninth generation and feel no attachment to anywhere else.

“The foundations on my believes I don't think can bring any productive thing here, so I will prefer move on”

If that means you feel you can't support your beliefs or have them challenged then perhaps that is best. But just remember what if someone told you that you were not Argentinean and should go back to your mother country, how would that make you feel? Would you agree or would you disagree and tell them that you are in your own country?

Put yourself in the shoes of a Falkland Islander and then repeat that you're “Argentinean regrading the islands”.
60 Shed-time (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 01:02 am Report abuse
@57 as a first generation ex-italian you will be used to the acceptance of corruption within society, and quite likely to want to be a part of the core culture that is being 'a non-brown Argentine'. This means you are likely to accept the propaganda you were presented with in school with much exuberance to prevent yourself from being rejected or referred to as an outsider. This would relegate you to a position of italian-hyphen-argentine, leaving you clinging to your parents culture like a parasite, without the necessary geographic connection.

For these reasons you're likely to adhere to the social norms of calling the islands by their papist faux-name of 'Malvinas', and for these reasons you're likely to support another attempt at conquering them, regardless of the historical revisionism.

It's textbook... page 1. book 1.
61 redpoll (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 02:30 am Report abuse
Shed Lay off it. I think this guy is genuine until he shows otherwise. Our favourite old chestnut Conkers hates all South Americans. I hope you dont put us all in the same bag as he does.
62 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 04:39 am Report abuse
@8 of course The Falklands are not represented they ARE A BOT, whats so difficult to understand you imbecile. Malvinests (not decent Argentinians) scum of the earth, get back to me in a few months I'll send you 50p towards your Ahahaah slazzy.......Just go to HELL! LOSER!
63 Shed-time (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
@61 he said he's argentine, and so I was just explicitly stating how he 'as an individual' thought. I wasn't stereotyping south americans.

@62 They're in the south atlantic, argentina is neither peaceful not cooperative, get over it. More importantly they're not Argentines, and this makes your germanic SS genes mad.
64 ae337 (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
jeez, so much hate here, I don't know how can you judge a person that way in such short notice. Anyway, I did not come here to change your or my ideas. I was only hoping to get a chance to discuss a current headline in a friendly manner. As an Argentine, I often find difficult to understand things posted on the telegraph or the sun and maybe (silly me) you could have the same problem with our newspapers but unfortunately I dont think this is possible here . pity
65 Shed-time (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
@64 why do you think you are so full of hate? You should be all nice like everyone else.

Maybe you're full of hate because your president lies to you.
66 Malvinero1 (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
This book gives a history based on academic research by professional historians, based on verified documents and treaties of the various governments involved, as well as written accounts of inhabitants and mariners of several nationalities, of the 1700's and 1800's.”

BTW lorton,is a totally biased,untrue history.It is like salt&pepper....No serious academics work will refer to these clowns....Dr Cohen,expert in international law at Geneva University,posted here several times,only to be discredit by brits trolls in a very rough,stupid manner....So if you want any serious discussion,I am sorry,do not pull those 2 trolls...
67 briton (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
64 ae337
[Hate]
Malverino or pirate hunter perhaps, both anties,
But you reply [im Argentinean as far as the Falklands go]
What does this mean then?
Can we interpret this as?
[Im argentine so the islands are argentina]
So can we say?
We are British as far as Patagonia go,
So being British, then Patagonia must be British,
You say you try to understand British newspapers, thus suggesting you have aces to the net as well,
And thus should be well aware and well bygone CFK brainwashing to understand some basic things on these islands,
1, Argentina has never ruled them
2, they have never been argentine,
3, they were British sovereign , before argentine existed
4, the islanders freely wish to remain British,
5, you argentine reply would also be most interesting,
As far as being British goes, they are British, ..
And as such are a very friendly bunch of people,, just like us ..
.
68 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 14th, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
@66 Malvicious

“BTW lorton,is a totally biased,untrue history.It is like salt&pepper....No serious academics work will refer to these clowns....Dr Cohen,expert in international law at Geneva University,posted here several times,only to be discredit by brits trolls in a very rough,stupid manner....So if you want any serious discussion,I am sorry,do not pull those 2 trolls...”

Good try, Malvi,

ae337 should read Roger's book and make up his own mind. He has already done all of the reading penned by Argentinians, whitewashing the genocides and atrocities of your 'War of The Desert',( not really a war) against Indians and unarmed civilians, and other military land-grabs.
The Argentine version of the settling of the Falklands is just as biased.

Ae337 can check Roger's sources himself, compare notes with other historians and other timelines of events, that might lead to other reading, and allow him to draw his own conclusions.

No other historians or academics seem to be dismissing Roger's timeline as 'biased', and ae337 can see for himself what Dr Cohen may be commenting on, from a perspective of Law. He is not an historian, nor an expert on the Falklands. We only have your statement that he is an “expert” at all.

But again, let ae337 decide that, after he has read Roger's timeline of events. You seem intent on discrediting the book, and preventing ae337 from making an objective analysis.
69 Shed-time (#) Jan 15th, 2013 - 12:13 am Report abuse
@66 Can you define your use of the term 'expert' please? I think your intention was to use the term 'academic', which is something else entirely.

Do you not find it bizarre that such an 'expert', by your definition, could be beaten in a fair debate when matched against a set of amateurish 'trolls' and objectively verified truths?
70 ae337 (#) Jan 15th, 2013 - 01:32 pm Report abuse
shed, your hate is consuming your soul, life too short , get out, enjoy nature, family. Acusing me of my presidents actions talks very low of you, how old are you btw ?

“It is rare that an Argentinean is willing to openly debate and discuss issues on here”. oops and wonder why. I really dont understand why isnt posible to have a conversation without insulting. All here seems to be focused on change the others believes, well get what, will never happen on neither side so move on , talk about sports , laugh together about CFK and Cameron stupidities, there lots of things to do together.

Fortunately I have a few British friends, visited London love it, which are very nice people so I already convinced that are not all like you here. I took the liberty to read old pages of this website and you people are insulting each other from years now. Ok perhaps this is your hobbie and way to enjoy free hours so then go ahead , Im out
71 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 15th, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
“We are concerned about the unnecessary militarization of the South Atlantic”, said Brasilian Foreign Secretary Antonio Patriota. And added “there are decolonization issues that are still not defenetly solved”.

”We have the responsability of avoiding all kinds of presense, transit and storage of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction“, said Uruguayan Foreign Secretary Luis Almagro.

Argentine Foreign Vicesecretary Eduardo Zuain, noted the concern regarding the military presence in Malvinas. And added ”this issue will be specificly included in the delcaration 22 countries will adopt next Wednessday“.

The final declaration will support UN position. ”There must be a pacific solution to this issue“, said Angola´s Foreign Secretary Georges Chikotti . And added ”we believe a referendum cannot solve this issue Argentina has a legitimate claim over the islands”.

noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/especial-malvinas-a-30-anos-de-la-guerra/paises-con-costa-atlantica-cuestionan-militarizacion-indebida-del-oceano,88c03898b2a3c310VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD.html
72 Anglotino (#) Jan 15th, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
@71 Islas Malvinas

Thanks for that. Great news isn't it. Funny how a referendum isn't considered “a pacific solution to this issue”.

But we all hope that the Falkland Zealand's are included in any declarations. The more the world knows about the exercise of self determination on the Idlands the better.

It is almost like Argentina has decided to advertise this referendum on behalf of the Islands.

@70 ae337
“ I took the liberty to read old pages of this website and you people are insulting each other from years now”

Mate you haven't actually added to the discussion here. In your 5 posts so far you keep saying you would like to discuss the islands' status but you “did not come here to change your or my ideas”.

Continually harping on about the the discourse here without trying to understand the why is just plain naive.

There is a reason why people on here are rude to each other. You might not like that reason but continually highlighting will change nothing. Whee stand above it and add to the discussion or leave.

I asked you questions in my post @59 and you didn't answer. Trying to make other posters look bad while adding nothing makes you a troll.
73 ynsere (#) Jan 15th, 2013 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
“There must be a pacific solution to this issue.”
I fully endorse this statement.
BUT
Argentina continues to make it impossible.
The Peronistas prefer confontation to cooperation.
CFK continues to make use of the Falklands to try and keep people's minds off the country's real problems. Just like the Junta did.
74 Shed-time (#) Jan 15th, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@70 Troll much?

@71 Brazil has an agreement with the UK on military cooperation, they know they're eternally chained to a parasitic barrel of smeg, and they'll say anything to make sure said smeg doesn't wash onto themselves.

Besides, the Falklands weren't invited to the cooperation conference, neither were any of the South Atlantic Islands, so what a bunch of outsiders has to say about the South Atlantic is just nonsense.

get over it, we did.
75 ynsere (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
Instead of wasting his time in Venezuela, Mujica should be trying to fix Uruguayan problems:
1. Education
2. Inflation
3. Criminality and corruption, including the Pluna affair
4. Argentine bullying
5. Public health
6. Inhuman prisons
7. Railways
8. Foreign trade
76 ChrisR (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
75 ynsere

Apart from the order of the items I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
77 briton (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
If we can think of it,,

then they can do it,, can they not,,
agreed.
78 ynsere (#) Jan 16th, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
ChrisR @ 76
Yes Chris, I was mentally shuffling the order even as I was writing the post. I wonder what order you'd put them in as a foreign resident in the country?
79 ae337 (#) Jan 21st, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Im out of here but this happened today so I would like to remind you how threatening we are : www.lanacion.com.ar/1547741-buscan-evitar-el-hundimiento-del-un-buque-de-la-armada

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