Twenty four South Atlantic countries meet in Uruguay to promote cooperation
Twenty four countries from South America and Africa with coast on the Atlantic Ocean will be debating next week in Uruguay how to increase cooperation in several fields such as environment, charting and seabed resources exploration and fighting organized crime.
The VII Ministerial meeting of the Peace and cooperation Zone of the South Atlantic was created in 1986 following on a resolution from the UN General Assembly, and will take place on January 15/16.
The meeting is scheduled to work and advance on a Plan of Action adopted in Luanda, Angola in 2007, according to the Uruguayan Foreign Ministry that is organizing and hosting the event.
The purpose is to generate “cooperation mechanisms with visible results addressing environment issues, air and sea terminals security, mapping and exploration of the sea bed and combating trans-national organized crime”.
Born as an initiative to promote peace and security in the region and as part of a process to revalue south-south links and cooperation, since first launched it has only held six Foreign ministers meetings, the last of which in 2007.
Ministers of Defence from several of the member countries are also expected to attend the meeting in Montevideo.
The peace and cooperation zone of the South Atlantic is made up of Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay from South America and Angola, Benin, Cape Verde, Cameroon, Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Ivory Coast, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Equatorial Guinea, Liberia, Namibia, Nigeria, Sao Tome and Principe, Senegal, Sierra Leona, South Africa and Togo.
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Ministers of Defence from several of the member countries are also expected to attend the meeting in Montevideo. So the perfect opportunity for them to pay lip service to the tinman and flick him the bird when he turns round
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20998358
“Foot, shoot, own, your” - rearrange if you are the Argentine Government.
I suppose they could talk at this meeting about all the other countries are benefiting from the loss of tourists to Argentina. ;-)
lazy,is it represented Malvinas or not,imbecile? No we are not pirates..idiot!garbage,uk is FINISHED,pirate nation scum of the world!
Exactly, Chris. Good business. Got a friend making her little pile out of this sort of extravaganza. The more the merrier.
Lack of recognition, perhaps?
British colonies are not welcome.
What South Atlantic countries are missing?
“BOTs” missing representation.
Lack of recognition, perhaps?
British colonies are not welcome.
:)
Here's the list, look them up yourself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_American_countrie...
According to the UN list, 11 by my count!
Oh, dear and one of them is the Falklands.
Did the article say this was set up as a result of a UN resolution? So if they wanted to attend?
You can work out the ramifications of that for yourself, I'm sure your capable.
@16 This is a “SOUTH ATLANTIC” meeting.
I don`t know what countries like Peru has to do with the South Atlantic...
British Colonies are right at the heart of the South Atlantic and they´re missing.
I`m sure the Metropolis will be invited when colonial possessions in the South Atlantic is debated.
:)
Like my teachers used to say, RTFQ!
Unlike some on here, I'll admit it when I've bollocksed up.
But the Falkand Island point is still valid. Established by UN Resolution.
Accorfding to Wik, Falkands listed 14th on UN List of South American Countries and most deffinately in the South Atlantic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_American_countries_by_population
So what if they wanted to attend, I do sress if. I wonder could a certain party prevent them.
@ 20 After centuries of stealing the riches of hald a world, I bet you can...
This is a list of South American countries by population, primarily based on estimates by the United Nations Population Division.
Try again:
esa.un.org/wpp/Other-Information/WPP2010_Special%20Aggregates%20-%20list%20of%20groupings.pdf
World Population Prospects: The 2010 Revision - Special Aggregates: list of groupings (August 2011)
Type of aggregate, group, and constituents:
3. United Nations related groups:
NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES:
The Non-Self-Governing Territories consist of 16 territories as of May 2011: Western Sahara, SaintHelena Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, Bermuda, FALKLAND ISLANDS, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands,
Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States Virgin Islands, Gibraltar,
American Samoa, Guam, New Caledonia, Pitcairn, Tokelau. — Source: [1]
www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml (Accessed on 22.08.2011) and [2]:
www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/gaspd422.doc.htm (Accessed on 22.08.2011)
Colony
This how she is planning to go on her next trip. tI's all she can affford.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUHyCLbC9Pc
Sorry, she can afford the best, what I should have said was, what they can afford. TMBOA aint gonna use her own hard graft, I meant earned money to pay to travel on their business,
Whoops, spot the deliber
simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_overseas_territories
Colony
It would be hard for the Falklands to attend something called the “South Atlantic Peace and Cooperation Zone” when one if the existing members has already invaded it and keeps threatening it.
Expect lofty pronouncement that mean little and will be ignored even by those pronouncing.
Standby for the classic RG reply, they did not start the war.
Check the links again.
Falklands have an elected Legislative Council ELECTED by the FI people:
“Falkland Islands
The Government consists of an elected Legislative Council. The Governor is the head of government and leads the Executive Council, consisting of appointed members made up from the Legislative Council and two ex-offico members.”
“Of course it didn`t. The UK is precisely a menace to Peace in the Zone of the South Atlantic.”
Really? Please enlighten me on which country in this region was the last one that invaded the internationally recognised sovereign territory of another country?
Remember when answering this question, that the UN recognises that the UK has sovereignty over the Falkland Islands as shown by the islands inclusion on the Decolonisation list.
So tell me, which country invaded the UN recognised sovereign territory of another country?
Which country is a menace? Which country forces the UK to station so many troops in the region?
you all are not businessmen
so you should learn foreign language(s) to keep in touch with foreigners.
Ha ha ha
You made my day
“You made my day”
Well it seems your low IQ and inability to articulate any independent and coherent thoughts are now bolstered by a complete lack of come-back skills.
You just couldn't answer the question could you!
If the UK doesn't have sovereignty, then who does?
The Falkland Islands? If that was the case then they wouldn't need to be decolonised.
Argentina? Well if that was the case then Argentina wouldn't be calling the UK an imperial power.
Your own government's words betray you.
What was that...... oh! I thought I heard a come-back forming. But nope.
calamitous state of our armed forces ( eg check what happened right now with the ARA Espora), which do you think is the real purpose behind this ? Are there any upcoming defense budget debate in UK perhaps ?
'Trust in God and keep your powder dry', Oli Cromwell.
'Never ever ever trust an Argentine', Confucious
We basically don't trust you. You have a peronist (hitlerist) government that condones expansionism at any cost; your ruling elite are corrupt beyond words, running a terrorist organisation and a gang of early-release criminal thugs; and your nationalist government, having lied to everyone about its economic situation is about to bankrupt itself once again, calling all their bond-holders criminals.
It is a given that Argentinians hate democracy, self-determination, economic prosperity and political stability more than anything in the world. The South Atlantic Islands have little to do with South America, other than Chile and Uruguay. No one wants some South American verminous nation invading the Falklands during a referendum about their future. Given the recent rhetoric from the Argentine Fuhrer, them doing something stupid is a risk.
Get over it.
why should we tell you, what we are doing,
no tension here my friend
we are all friends.
@48 Dive-Wreck-in-waiting Espora draws 3.3m [1]. Mar de La Campora submarine base clearly has an undredged depth of 1.5 m, making it easy for all those 6.5m draughted submarines to get in and out really easy [2].
.... Oh, wait.
[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Espora_%28P-41%29
[2] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-1700_class_submarine
Hello, and welcome. Hopefully we can have some friendly and useful dialog, but for reasons already mentioned, any new poster is not likely to be trusted.
We do realise there are a few, independently thinking, English- fluent, Argentines that visit this site. Hopefully, you are one of them. Regardless of your beliefs, welcome.
However, there are several posters, at least, several personas, who post on here only to promote the political agenda of CFK. They are relentlessly anti-British, and Anti-Falklands. They appear to have the same message, suggesting they are paid agents of your government. They deliberately cause harm, not only to us, but the ordinary citizens of Argentina as well.
They are NOT welcome, and in my opinion, fully deserve any criticism or dislike they receive, as they are fully aware of what they are doing, at the expense of others.
If you're 40, then you would have been 10 years old when your Mütter und Väter took you into the streets to clap and cheer when your country started the War of Aggression, in celebration of Argentina militarising the South Atlantic, no?
A large majority of Argentines cannot trace thier residence in Argentina back from more than four generations. Some of the islanders trace back thier families on the Falklands for nine generations yet your government treats them as implanted colonist squatters and as such will not talk to them about mutual interests in fisheries and oil development. A great way to make friends and influence people. The Falklanders like things the way they are. UK would give them thier independence if they wished it. They do have an elected legislature you know. If they wanted to request the withdrawal of British military forces from thier islands I am sure the Brits would oblidge. But they dont want that while they are under threat from Argentina
Answering shed , no, I was not clapping, my father told me what was coming. The foundations on my believes I don't think can bring any productive thing here, so I will prefer move on
“Said that, do not get confused; I'm Argentinian regarding the islands but I like the idea to get in touch with some islanders and/or British in friendly discussions, if that is possible”
I'm sure that is possible. There are several on here, and I should let them answer you, not me.
We know what you have been taught all your life, starting at a young age.
However, it was politically motivated mis-information.
If you monitor this site long enough, you will be able to read the real history of the islands.
Many families on the Falklands go back 9 generations to the original inhabitants, Vernet's group and others from before 1833.
That was before Spain withdrew their claim, (so Argentina had no claim) and before there was an Argentina in 1853 ( so Argentina has no claim), and before Argentina conquered the Amerindians of Patagonia, ( so Argentina that existed, BA, was still over 1,000 miles away - nowhere near the islands ), and Chile was much closer to the Falklands.
Try reading a history of the Falkland Islands by Roger Lorton:
www.falklandia.com/Timeline/Introduction.htm
This book gives a history based on academic research by professional historians, based on verified documents and treaties of the various governments involved, as well as written accounts of inhabitants and mariners of several nationalities, of the 1700's and 1800's.
Roger Lorton occasionally posts on this site as “Lord Ton”.
Please take the time to discover this new perspective (for you).
It is rare that an Argentinean is willing to openly debate and discuss issues on here. So many revert to jingoism and nationalistic slogans. Or even outright lies to support their viewpoint.
However I think you may have already decided to quit while you are ahead. You state that you are “Argentinian regarding the islands” but are not willing to discuss why you are or if you have all the information.
As a first generation immigrant you would understand how strong your attachment and identity is to Argentina, while still retaining a residual love and identity of your mother country. Now try to understand that that is exactly what the Islanders feel. And some of them are ninth generation and feel no attachment to anywhere else.
“The foundations on my believes I don't think can bring any productive thing here, so I will prefer move on”
If that means you feel you can't support your beliefs or have them challenged then perhaps that is best. But just remember what if someone told you that you were not Argentinean and should go back to your mother country, how would that make you feel? Would you agree or would you disagree and tell them that you are in your own country?
Put yourself in the shoes of a Falkland Islander and then repeat that you're “Argentinean regrading the islands”.
For these reasons you're likely to adhere to the social norms of calling the islands by their papist faux-name of 'Malvinas', and for these reasons you're likely to support another attempt at conquering them, regardless of the historical revisionism.
It's textbook... page 1. book 1.
@62 They're in the south atlantic, argentina is neither peaceful not cooperative, get over it. More importantly they're not Argentines, and this makes your germanic SS genes mad.
Maybe you're full of hate because your president lies to you.
BTW lorton,is a totally biased,untrue history.It is like salt&pepper....No serious academics work will refer to these clowns....Dr Cohen,expert in international law at Geneva University,posted here several times,only to be discredit by brits trolls in a very rough,stupid manner....So if you want any serious discussion,I am sorry,do not pull those 2 trolls...
[Hate]
Malverino or pirate hunter perhaps, both anties,
But you reply [im Argentinean as far as the Falklands go]
What does this mean then?
Can we interpret this as?
[Im argentine so the islands are argentina]
So can we say?
We are British as far as Patagonia go,
So being British, then Patagonia must be British,
You say you try to understand British newspapers, thus suggesting you have aces to the net as well,
And thus should be well aware and well bygone CFK brainwashing to understand some basic things on these islands,
1, Argentina has never ruled them
2, they have never been argentine,
3, they were British sovereign , before argentine existed
4, the islanders freely wish to remain British,
5, you argentine reply would also be most interesting,
As far as being British goes, they are British, ..
And as such are a very friendly bunch of people,, just like us ..
.
“BTW lorton,is a totally biased,untrue history.It is like salt&pepper....No serious academics work will refer to these clowns....Dr Cohen,expert in international law at Geneva University,posted here several times,only to be discredit by brits trolls in a very rough,stupid manner....So if you want any serious discussion,I am sorry,do not pull those 2 trolls...”
Good try, Malvi,
ae337 should read Roger's book and make up his own mind. He has already done all of the reading penned by Argentinians, whitewashing the genocides and atrocities of your 'War of The Desert',( not really a war) against Indians and unarmed civilians, and other military land-grabs.
The Argentine version of the settling of the Falklands is just as biased.
Ae337 can check Roger's sources himself, compare notes with other historians and other timelines of events, that might lead to other reading, and allow him to draw his own conclusions.
No other historians or academics seem to be dismissing Roger's timeline as 'biased', and ae337 can see for himself what Dr Cohen may be commenting on, from a perspective of Law. He is not an historian, nor an expert on the Falklands. We only have your statement that he is an “expert” at all.
But again, let ae337 decide that, after he has read Roger's timeline of events. You seem intent on discrediting the book, and preventing ae337 from making an objective analysis.
Do you not find it bizarre that such an 'expert', by your definition, could be beaten in a fair debate when matched against a set of amateurish 'trolls' and objectively verified truths?
“It is rare that an Argentinean is willing to openly debate and discuss issues on here”. oops and wonder why. I really dont understand why isnt posible to have a conversation without insulting. All here seems to be focused on change the others believes, well get what, will never happen on neither side so move on , talk about sports , laugh together about CFK and Cameron stupidities, there lots of things to do together.
Fortunately I have a few British friends, visited London love it, which are very nice people so I already convinced that are not all like you here. I took the liberty to read old pages of this website and you people are insulting each other from years now. Ok perhaps this is your hobbie and way to enjoy free hours so then go ahead , Im out
”We have the responsability of avoiding all kinds of presense, transit and storage of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction“, said Uruguayan Foreign Secretary Luis Almagro.
Argentine Foreign Vicesecretary Eduardo Zuain, noted the concern regarding the military presence in Malvinas. And added ”this issue will be specificly included in the delcaration 22 countries will adopt next Wednessday“.
The final declaration will support UN position. ”There must be a pacific solution to this issue“, said Angola´s Foreign Secretary Georges Chikotti . And added ”we believe a referendum cannot solve this issue Argentina has a legitimate claim over the islands”.
noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/especial-malvinas-a-30-anos-de-la-guerra/paises-con-costa-atlantica-cuestionan-militarizacion-indebida-del-oceano,88c03898b2a3c310VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD.html
Thanks for that. Great news isn't it. Funny how a referendum isn't considered “a pacific solution to this issue”.
But we all hope that the Falkland Zealand's are included in any declarations. The more the world knows about the exercise of self determination on the Idlands the better.
It is almost like Argentina has decided to advertise this referendum on behalf of the Islands.
@70 ae337
“ I took the liberty to read old pages of this website and you people are insulting each other from years now”
Mate you haven't actually added to the discussion here. In your 5 posts so far you keep saying you would like to discuss the islands' status but you “did not come here to change your or my ideas”.
Continually harping on about the the discourse here without trying to understand the why is just plain naive.
There is a reason why people on here are rude to each other. You might not like that reason but continually highlighting will change nothing. Whee stand above it and add to the discussion or leave.
I asked you questions in my post @59 and you didn't answer. Trying to make other posters look bad while adding nothing makes you a troll.
I fully endorse this statement.
BUT
Argentina continues to make it impossible.
The Peronistas prefer confontation to cooperation.
CFK continues to make use of the Falklands to try and keep people's minds off the country's real problems. Just like the Junta did.
@71 Brazil has an agreement with the UK on military cooperation, they know they're eternally chained to a parasitic barrel of smeg, and they'll say anything to make sure said smeg doesn't wash onto themselves.
Besides, the Falklands weren't invited to the cooperation conference, neither were any of the South Atlantic Islands, so what a bunch of outsiders has to say about the South Atlantic is just nonsense.
get over it, we did.
1. Education
2. Inflation
3. Criminality and corruption, including the Pluna affair
4. Argentine bullying
5. Public health
6. Inhuman prisons
7. Railways
8. Foreign trade
Apart from the order of the items I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
then they can do it,, can they not,,
agreed.
Yes Chris, I was mentally shuffling the order even as I was writing the post. I wonder what order you'd put them in as a foreign resident in the country?
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