Tuesday, January 22nd 2013 - 21:54 UTC

Major blunder of (Timerman) and Cristina Fernandez in Vietnam

Argentine president Cristina Fernández tour of Southeast Asia came to an end on Monday with an embarrassing admission by the leader that she had “put her foot in it” in a press conference in Hanoi by making a statement which was factually incorrect regarding when Argentina recognized Vietnam as a state.

Cristina Fernandez and Truong Tan Sang with Ho Chi Minh overlooking

The care taker, el Tío (the uncle) and President Juan Peron

“Oops, Timerman made me make a mistake, back to the tunnel”

However, the President responded by blaming her hapless Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman for giving her the wrong information.

The incident occurred during the final day of Cristina Fernández tour of the region, in which she described Vietnam as the “icon of struggle” of its generation, after meeting with her counterpart President Truong Tan Sang to strengthen commercial ties.

The Argentine president was hosted at an official reception by her local counterpart, whom she invited to visit Argentina to “forge denser bilateral ties.”

The President also referred to her meeting with the CEO of the top 18 companies in Vietnam as “very, very good” and mentioned the interview with the CEO of the Hong Kong Noble Group and “major investors in Santa Fe.”

These groups “pledged investments (with late former president Néstor Kirchner) and fulfilled their obligations. They announced that they continue and will continue to invest,” said the President.

As to the mishap, Cristina Fernández in her speech on Monday said she was happy after “40 years of bilateral relations” and that Argentina, after Cuba and Chile, was “one of the first countries to recognize a unified Vietnam,” although the President said that this occurred under the presidency of Héctor Cámpora.

Argentina officially recognized Vietnam during the late Juan Domingo Perón’s third stint as president in 1973. Cristina Fernández later recognized her mistake, admitting that she “put her foot in it,” though blaming Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman for the blunder.

“(Héctor) Timerman mixed up the date; he told me that (the recognition) had occurred during Cámpora’s presidency, and I put my foot in it at the press conference,” confessed the President.

Full diplomatic relations were established 25 October 1973 during Juan Domingo Peron’s very short third presidency from September 1973 to his death in July 1974.
Vietnam opened its embassy in Buenos Aires in 1995 and Argentina in 1997 when then President Carlos Menem visited the country and officially opened the embassy in 1997.

The Argentine president also had to admit that the Vietnamese outwitted her even with Argentine history: via Twitter she described Monday talks as “excellent”, adding “a more intense day would have been impossible” and paying tribute to her counterpart’s knowledge of Argentina: “(Truon) spoke about Juan José Castelli as a great speaker of the May Revolution...I almost fell out of my chair”.
 

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1 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Ha Ha Ha, the RG Govt are the best comedy show around.
2 Raven (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Yes Christina, there are others who are better at history than you, as well as diplomacy,running a country...
3 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
What a difference between officials that admit making mistakes.

And the anglo-saxon culture, where even when speaking the truth, you are traduced and ostracized if the truth “hurts”. Mitt Romney should know all about it when he only spoke the truth when he said “UK dropped the ball in the Olympics, and the games are too big for them”, and he was excoriated... and he said nothing wront or mistaken!!

Indeed, botched flags, anthems, empty seats, burstin sewers, and two police strikes later... he was proven right.
4 Orbit (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
@3 - wow, clutching at churlish straws there fella.... The olympics were a resounding success, which some of your fellow South Americans admitted to the worldwide media they would have trouble following. Have you learnt to switch the lights on at a football stadium yet ?

And you just can't help yourself can you. The strikes were called off. You really are crap at facts. Are you part of CFK's government ?
5 Xect (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
Ah back to making the mistake of confusing causality vs correlation again I see Tobias.

The Olympics were a roaring success by anyone measure hence the reason the Brazilian government requested the UK's assistance in its preparation. Still in your warped mind, something else happened of course, it just appears only you hold that view VS the respected world.

And also its worth pointing out she blamed Tinman as opposed to being strong enough to apologize on behalf of herself and the Argentine government. You will find folk with a narcissistic egomaniac streak like CFK will always place the blame elsewhere.
6 HansNiesund (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
@3

So this admitting your mistake, Argentine-style? Blame it on Hector?
7 ICFreedom (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
the whole govt is a giant lying machine - even the hacking group anonymous broke into govt statistics site and we havent heard a thing from from CFK about this little fiasco.. Here's the link (between arrows )
8 Rufus (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:40 pm Report abuse
@ 3

Nostril, you do know that the British Police haven't been on strike since 1919?

I think my favourite quote from the Romneyshambles tour was one of the journalists saying that the last time someone bombed that badly in London it was the Luftwaffe.
9 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:42 pm Report abuse
Of course the Olympics were a disaster in Argtards eyes....they only got one Gold Medal.....

UK got 29

Yes...I'd consider that a disaster too Nostril.
10 ElaineB (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
I mentioned CFKC blaming Timerman in another thread.

What is shocking is that Timerman seems to be writing her speeches on a scrap of paper at the last minute. Don't they have researchers and speechwriters that would get this right and make a speech tailored to the audience she is addressing - the Argentine government look like a bunch of amateurs.

CFKC “paying tribute to her counterpart’s knowledge of Argentina” clearly doesn't understand the value of having qualified and intelligent staff to brief her rather than her son's mates and a bunch of sycophants.
11 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Is that hole the Tangoed lady is coming out of Argentinas new nuclear defences?
12 LEPRecon (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:10 pm Report abuse
@11 - Captainsilver

Yup. Pirat-hunter is hidden in that tunnel with a working 'nuclear' device contained in his packed lunch box, and held together with an elastic band.

He plans to deploy it in the Falklands by using a really big catapult. However the elastic for this catapult is being held up a customs waiting for him to export soy to the same value. JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!
13 GFace (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
@10, I agree that is bad form. But as for her statement blaming Timmerman? That's even worse. She needed to just say that she put her foot in her mouth, without throwing him under the bus. She can yell at him *behind closed doors* all she wants (and, yes, maybe she should), but outwardly she should graciously apologize for what came out of her own mouth, and Sang would have graciously accepted it with no worries. This was a minor gaffe that she unnecessarily made much worse.
14 andy65 (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th The sooner Kirchner starts the one way death flights over The South Atlantic the better I'll gladly buy you a ticket
15 Conorworld (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
We all make mistakes, even Cristina. I'm glad she can admit to that. Pity about her failed economic policies.
16 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
@3 TTT

“What a difference between officials that admit making mistakes.”

Can you admit that you were mistaken when you said you did not want to converse with us anymore so you were leaving??

You seem to need our attention.
When are you leaving?

Oop, still here?
17 screenname (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
Can anyone tell me: If you invest in Argentina, are you allowed to turn a profit or is it basically charity?
18 surfer (#) Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
Anyone who ever invests in Argentina and expects to see any of their money again is in cloud cuckoo land, yup basically it's charity to a failed regime.
19 Britninja (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 12:12 am Report abuse
Part of me hopes she's re-re-elected - we might miss these comedy moments if Argentina actually became a normal country.
20 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:08 am Report abuse
Look everyone, why do you attack me? Attack Mitt Romney.

But then, you would be guilty of that which you claim makes you different from Argentina... not admiting error!

Dilemma, dilemma.
21 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:34 am Report abuse
Yawn.

weak try.

*rolls eyes*
22 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:38 am Report abuse
Btw, how the fk is this even a news story?

You argie haters... the sooner we are isolate ourselves from your countries the better. Can't stand seeing embassies with your flags on MY soil.
23 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:25 am Report abuse
@22TTT

“ Can't stand seeing embassies with your flags on MY soil.”

I don't know how you put up with us on here - you should leave, just as you made the big announcement you were going to.
24 Britninja (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:41 am Report abuse
@22 You'd be better off asking for *more* embassies and begging us to come and run your country for you ;)
25 Raven (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:17 am Report abuse
@20

We do not attack you personally, but your posts.

With reference to the supposed demonization of Argentines on here, this is not 100% true.

It is correct to assume there are a few nutters on here that would gladly cause holocaust but many others just wish for a balanced relationship with Argentines and Argentina in general. Isolationist policies practiced by CFK and her devoted followers do not make good friends, no matter what bad blood has occurred in the past. There are plenty here on ''our side'' that have both visited, lived and know Argentina for the country it is and could be. It would appear more positive than what is generally posted here.

Maybe, just maybe, if the isolationism that ferments currently could be turned into something a bit more positive. It certainly beats the alternative of oppression of views etc. and we all have to start somewhere...

This lot did, and long may it continue www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GYEwTiuI7k
26 screenname (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:38 am Report abuse
How accurate is this report?

I have a sneaky feeling she claimed Argentina recognised Vietnam in 1816, having inherited the recognition from Spain.
27 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:40 am Report abuse
OMG Only in MercoP(enguin)News this is a news story.
28 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:44 am Report abuse
@24 brit ninja

”@22 You'd be better off asking for *more* embassies and begging us to come and run your country for you ;)“

Ninja, you are right, of course.

However, TTT is the ”attention-seeking child“.

He keeps saying, ”Leave us alone“, ”we don't need you“, ”you don't like us, so we hate you“, ”go away“, and finally,”I'm leaving“.

Of course, all these statements are designed to get a response like ”Oh no, don't feel like that, don't go, we can get along...“ and on and on.

He won't go anywhere and enjoy all our arguing that Argentina cannot exist without us.

I suggest that we just agree that Argentina would be better off alone, and ”if you're leaving, you had best go, smart-like! You won't be missed, and Argentina won't be missed. Suits us fine.”

That should save us a couple of hundred wasted posts.

Ok, TTT, like you said, go.
29 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:36 am Report abuse
@28

Mr. Illiterate, I said I was going on “furlough” i.e. the word for vacation in occupations involving a chain of command.

I never said “I'm leaving for good”.

Geez, you are really dumb. You are the one who can't read right and you blame it on me.

@24

I don't think anyone on this planet has ever said the phrase “geez, I want my country to be just like Northern Ireland, or Iraq”.

Because that's what happens when the UK gets involved in other countries.
30 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:45 am Report abuse
@29 TTT, AraifuGonorrehea, Nozzy,

“Mr. Illiterate, I said I was going on “furlough” i.e. the word for vacation in occupations involving a chain of command.”

LOL,
Liar. You're wriggling to get out of it now.

You said you were going on 'furlough“ on Jan 12th, and then you came back on the 19th.

Here is what you actually said on Jan 21st, when you made YOUR LATEST PRONOUNCEMENT:

”Lucky for you I'm bored of these nationalistic spitfests. I have no interest in insulting your country much further (saying the truth about mass shootings with actual links excluded). If you and others haven't noticed, I have also laid back from my constant “anglo-saxon”, and “Europeans” bashing. I've lost interest in that.“

”bored of these nationalistic spitfests“ and ”lost interest” in bashing us, yet you showed up again on Jan 22nd - slagging the USA.

Anglotino was forced to call you out:

70 Anglotino (#)Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:44 am

Nostrolldamus the 8th at Jan 21st, 2013 - 01:01 am

”Lucky for you I'm bored of these nationalistic spitfests. I have no interest in insulting your country much further (saying the truth about mass shootings with actual links excluded). If you and others haven't noticed, I have also laid back from my constant “anglo-saxon”, and “Europeans” bashing. I've lost interest in that. ”

Couldn't even last 24 hours.

Weak-willed!

71 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#)Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:47 am

I said “much further”... that means I still have some ways to go.

But with the news feed of utterly cacchinating stories coming out of your countries, I must admit it's hard to resist!

You know who Craig Emerson is?

72 Anglotino (#)Jan 22nd, 2013 - 03:44 am

“Weak-willed now followed by....
Deflection!”

Squirm squirm squirm, like Think's gusano.

Get lost - no more pandering to you, little boy.
Have your tantrums on another forum.

en.mercopress.com/2013/01/19/tourists-arriving-in-uruguay-dropped-14-in-first-weeks-compared-to-2012#comments
31 Iron Man (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:05 am Report abuse
What really struck me the other day was the comparison someone made between the good relations we had formed with Germany and other countries we fought in World War II 30 years afterwards, compared with the cr@p relationship we have with Argentina thirty years afterwards.

I think it says more about Argentina than it does about the UK.
32 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:18 am Report abuse
20 Tito The Clown Troll

Still playing the victim card are we??? You are truely, truely living up to your titleas “Clown Troll” arn't you?

Still first at getting it wrong ( all together now ):-

“The more things change, the more they stay the same”
33 travellingscotsman (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:11 am Report abuse
The only reason why nostradamus is considering leaving is because these conversations have finally made him realise that he actually comes from a backward thinking, corrupt, out of touch, left of left of centre country that has no future unless it changes its government and their policy which quite clearly do not help the argentine people, south america, or anyone else for that matter. He is completely embarressed that he's argentine and no longer has the strength to defend the undefendable. And he, and PH, thinks that the UK is finished? The UK that is now the world's 6th largest economy and the largest exporter to Germany beating even the US and France - and we're finished?
34 ElaineB (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:26 am Report abuse
@27 Wrong again, I saw this story in the Argentine press before it was posted here.
35 Pirate Love (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:54 am Report abuse
Join in if you know the words at home:
“Nice One Timerman,nice one son, nice one timerman lets have another one!”
36 ElaineB (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
I think what makes it a story is that CFKC rebuked him publicly. Until now he seemed to make numerous cock-ups but still remained a favourite.
37 Shed-time (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:38 am Report abuse
Timmerman is quite happy to fall on his sword as many times as he has to in order to lead this collection of crypto-fascists to war, economic collapse, or worse. Then he'll return to his home in the USA and wring his hands over the millions that he has made betting on this with some complex financial product that he bought with his friends from Tel Aviv.

It's all in the plan.
38 GALlamosa (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:40 am Report abuse
The problem with so many lies is that you have to remember which one you told last and to whom.

Bunch of incompetent fools - give her a third term.
39 Idlehands (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
It was hardly the most catastrophic blunder of her presidency. Seems rather a fuss about nothing compared to most of her antics
40 Welsh Wizard (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
Non-story. So, they fcuked up...its nothing new
41 stick up your junta (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/122406/syria-argentina-heavyhanded-again
42 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
@31

And you honestly believe that 100% of that is attributable just to the Faklands row?

Your government has tried to screw us in every area of diplomacy for 50-60 years, from Antarctica, to trying to (and failing) to create a bogus “Southern Ocean”, alongside 61 other countries... thankfully Argentina vetoed it and the proposal has so far not been refloated. A clear attempt to strip away economic waters from Argentina in the far far south around the Piedra Buena Straight (there is no Drake Passage... Argentina and Chile control most of those waters territorialy or EEZ).

They have also for decades tried to cause wars between South American nations, in a well-known divide and conquer strategy. The UK foreign policy goal is to promote poverty, divisiveness, and instability in South America. Thankfuly you are not 5% as influencial as you were 50 years ago let alone 100 (when you cause havoc around the planet), so increasingly your long history of doing harm outside your shores is increasingly nugatory.
43 Britninja (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
@42 Well if we have no influence to cause chaos and disruption, that surely must mean that your country is just crap due to its own corruption and incompetence, no?
44 Idlehands (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
42 Nostrolldamus the 8th

So you don't believe that Argentina is in any way responsible for its own fate then? Iranians see a secret British hand behind all their calamities too. It's rather flattering to be considered so powerful.

41 stick up your junta

Did that article make sense to you? I couldn't quite gauge the underlying meaning - IE why didn't they support the resolution/letter? Was it simply that there was nothing in it for them?
45 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
@42

you are quite paranoid aren't you.

Tell me, if the UK were trying to create havoc 100 years ago and in your words were very influencial, why was Argentina one of the richest countries in the world.

Why has Argentinas wealth then fallen compatively to the rest of the world 50 years ago, as in your words, Britains influence was reducing,

And now, when you say britain has only a tiny influence, Argentina is one of the poorest most corrupt shitholes on the planet?

Doesnt seem to add up.

In fifty more years, carrying on the pattern, Britain will have zero influence and Argentina will be hell on earth.

Interestingly exactly the same happened in Zimbabwe.

Blame Britain for all your ills, and gradually slide into a festering pile of shit.

Yet the 50 or so Commonwealth countries who behave like adults, generally prosper.

Perhaps its you nostril, you and your continued corrupt and inept Governments. your belief of their propoganda..and sucking on CFKs nipples for any lies she wants to feed you.

Poor Nostril and his shitheap of a country...LOL...chuckle chuckle
46 Redrow (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
“(Truon) spoke about Juan José Castelli as a great speaker of the May Revolution...I almost fell out of my chair”.

Why so impressed? It's called briefing. Perhaps not being a professional politician she never noticed before that people with folders whisper things into the ear of the President/Prime Minister she's about to meet. Usually they just whisper “If she mentions something about Malvinas she's referring to the Falkland Islands so just smile and nod”.
47 andy65 (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th, I've always said itthis is how Argentines see themself

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM

It's not other countrys that cause your problems it's the crap you people elect to rule you,by Argentines own accounts you have not elected a leader who as not been corupt since The Great British helped you get rid of that military Junta in 1982,you have so much to be grateful for where The Great British are concerned I am shocked how ungrateful you are.
48 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
@43

The UK is working in a grand alliance with the USA, European Union (lead by Spain, Germany, and Italy), China, Japan, and I woudn't be surprised if Brazil and the other Mercosur countries plus Chile and Mexico. I would never say we could win a fight against the entire planet seeking to ruin us... but I have said we at least have the balls to stand up to it.

If all of Britain's former enemies have reconciled with you, then that speaks fine of US. Because we never forget. We haven't forgotten the Spanish (why do you think we screw them over with “YPF” and corporate colonialism talk)... and that happend 200 years ago.

Argentina never forgets, that's why we are still fighting and battling over things that happened 100 years ago by former presidents of ours, or why Peron is still so influencial... we NEVER forget, and NEVER move on until we decide it is time. Centuries can pass by before we decide to let something go.

That is a strength, because we won't be screwed over again by any outsiders.
49 ElaineB (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
@46 Exactly my point. She is an amateur totally out of her depth.

It is amusing that all over Latin America the 'badies' are the Spanish that brutally subdued and conquered the continent but only in Argentina do they give that role to the English (they rarely say British), and only since Peron started brainwashing them and changing history. That alone should be apparent to even the most cautious of enquiring minds in Argentina.
50 Britninja (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
A strength? It sounds more bitter, sour, twisted and self-pitying to me. And where has your so-called “strength” got you? Your country is a laughing stock.
51 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
“That is a strength, because we won't be screwed over again by any outsiders”.

Nossie, you dont need to be screwed by outsiders...CFK is f8cking you up the arse without even giving you the decency of a reach-around. Problem is you are too stupid to see it.
52 Idlehands (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
48 Nostrolldamus the 8th

The mentality of 5 year olds in the local playground.
53 andy65 (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:27 pm Report abuse
@ 48 Nostrolldamus the 8th says, That is a strength, because we won't be screwed over again by any outsiders.

My friend it is not outsiders screwing you over it is your princess tippy toes the botox queen Hitler Cristina and her obese son Maximo who are doing THE SCREWING ask yourself why Kirchners wealth as gone up by 800% since coming into office or perhaps she is just paid well
54 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
@46 Andy
Didn't the British build most of their modern infrastructure in late 1800's and early 20th century? Built their railways at least. US or UK built their telephone system IIRC.

Hardly sounds like they would invest $$$ in a country just to sabotage its economy so there are fewer and fewer returns and eventual failure of the ventures.
55 jakesnake (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:50 pm Report abuse
Anybody who has ever been in a leadership position knows that the fastest way to lose all respect as a leader is to blame a subordinate publicly for your shortcomings. If she were in the Army, she'd get some “wall to wall counseling”.
56 Welsh Wizard (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
@48

”The UK is working in a grand alliance with the USA, European Union (lead by Spain, Germany, and Italy), China, Japan, and I woudn't be surprised if Brazil and the other Mercosur countries plus Chile and Mexico.”

You forgot the Freemasons. How could you forget the Freemasons? Don't you understand that they are behind it all...
57 Shed-time (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
She's just a liar, and a puppet of Timmerman.

It's that simple.
58 GFace (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
@36, yes I actually feel sorry for him. He could stand up and professionally apologize for making CFK look.. well ... like the standing caricature of CFK. But it was really in the scale of foot chewing on the fly, a very minor gaffe, like mispronouncing a name, or eating with the wrong fork, or 'accidentally' doing the backward peace sign while in Australia (and you ~know~ *that* wasn't an accident ;-). It wasn't like she threw up at a state dinner, regretted not being able to speak Latin when in Central America, or glad-handing Lizzie while giving her a iPod with all of your boring narcissistic speeches on it. It was an oops. And it could have been handled discreetly and professionally in the open and at full tilt behind a closed door.

As with such things the trivial gaffe is outweighed by the CMA and trowing someone under a bus, and that's what people remember.
59 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
And we always come back to the same point... What should Argentina do? Forget the crimes European nations have commited?

You as individual nations have not even apologized yet for those crimes (at least the ones commited in the Americas).

Don't bring me the crap about 'Argentina did it too'. You were FIRST, and secondly you Europeans are supposedly more “moral” and “evolved” than us... So why don't you apologize first to US, Argentines who live in the land you pillaged? (Americas)

You people really need help if you expect someone to forget when you haven't even asked for forgiveness.
60 Britninja (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
@59 Hmm let me get this straight... You want Europe to apologise for sending your ancestors to South America. So, in other words, you want us to apologise for the fact you exist? I think that's something we can all agree on.
61 Shed-time (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
@59 I think the issue here is that in Europe, we generally understand that previous crimes against humanity, such as war crimes or genocide are not something to be proud or happy about. So, you will see Europe frowning upon the Holocause, Armenian genocide, et cetera. Generally in Europe war is seen as a bad thing.

In Argentina, you glorify genocide with pictures of the war criminals themselves on your bank notes, you have laws named after common murderers, and you conveniently forget that the genocide happened when it suits your attempts to claim other people's land. You're basically a mess of immorality.

That's the difference. Get over it.
62 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
The saddest thing is that Nossies rants are on a news story where there actually is a country that has been screwed over.

Vietnam was screwed over by the Chinese
Vietnam was screwed over by the French
Vietnam was screwed over by the Japanese
Vietnam was screwed over by the French again
Vietnam was screwed over by the Americans

today, are they bitter, are they pathetic like Nossie...

No, they are building a tiger economy, working with their former enemies to build a better society for their people. They have proven themselves 1000 times braver, 1000 times more resolute and with 1000 times greater humility than the Argentines.

if any country had cause to whinge and complain it would be Vietnam...instead they have got on with life and beginning to prosper.

Perhaps CFK should have stopped to learn rather than looking to teach!!
63 andy65 (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
@Nostrolldamus the 8th, LOL I am now fearing for your sanity you have definetely gone over the edge I guess We could say the same to Germany and Japan but how long would you like to carry this on?? Speak to the Spanish as for the rest of us we have NOTHING to apologise to Argentines for, absolutely nothing.The only regret is that The Great British forces did not attack main land Argentina in 82 and teach you a lesson once and for all
64 Conqueror (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
@20 Attack you? Of course not. You open your big, fat gob and make a complete arse of yourself...again. And you want us to criticise someone else? Have you ever thought of trying to become a prat? Ambition and trying to better yourself is good. Even if you have no chance!
@22 YOU don't have any soil. It belongs to Amerindians. If you want to “isolate” yourself, go drown. That's real “isolation”! Don't be scared. If you let us know when, we'll all stand around waving goodbye. What's wrong with hating argies? (Different from Argentines like Simon 68.) Argies seem well worth hating. You're belligerent, cowardly, criminal, dumb, futile, genocidal, hapless, ignorant, juvenile, larcenous, mendacious, putrid, queer, ridiculous, stupid, turgid, unscrupulous, vicious, xenophobic and so on. What's not to hate?
@27 You don't have one. Read the Commandments lately? Start with number 3. Then 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. Well, well, well. Broken 6 out of 10!
@29 Thought you wanted “isolation”.
@42 Don't be a silly boy. We haven't tried to screw you over Antarctica (disgusting thought). We were just there first, that's all. “Southern Ocean” appears on all internationally-recognised maps. Just not argie ones. Get out more. Of course there's a Drake Passage. You're probably sitting on it. Always loved screwing the Spanish! Why would we need to promote poverty, divisiveness and instability? You don't need out help!
@48 You don't have the balls to play bowls. Or even marbles. Bet we can screw you next year. And you'll love it. You like being screwed! Because you ask for it.
@59 Sorry. The first recorded “pillaging” of the country currently called “argentina” was by.....argies! The two “conquests of the desert”. Remember? Or is that “inconvenient”? You need some “psychotherapy”. Find a concrete wall. Smash your face against it, as hard as you can, 100 times. If your skull hasn't fractured, do it again. Keep going until you have expelled at least 12 pints of blood.
65 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
59 Tito The Clown Troll

Wow!! what an excuse!! you are seriously in need of professional help arn't you?

wa, wa, wa I know we pushed our own people out of a plane but you europeans were doing it first!!!!!

wa,wa, wa I know we invaded the Falklands but you Europeans have been invading everyone else........

and here was me thinking that I'd left all that sh*t behind in the playground. Who have known it, right?

You truely are a waste of oxygen. You are pathetic and weak and your arguements are the stuff that children use in the playground.

Grow up..........clown
66 jij (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:39 pm
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67 screenname (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
@48:@59 nutjob the 1st

My recent ancestors (last few hundred years) were all miners, or related industries. None of my direct ancestors even served in the 2 world wars, never mind any of the other military conflicts. Generations, before my parents, never left the British Isles (or even Britain itself), and my parents didn't until the mid 1990's.

And you want to blame me for crimes in the Americas??????

97% of Argentina's population either are, or are decended from, colonists. So why don't you have another go at guessing which Europeans commited crimes.

I'll give you a clue: they will have had to have been at the scene of the crimes.

The only people you cannot seriously point the finger at is maybe the Amerindians, and the Falklanders as there was not an indiginous population to screw over.
68 Britninja (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
@66 Come on Jij, we all know you're secretely hoping for the Official Campora 2013 Naked Maximo calendar for your birthday. 12 poses of wobbly jelly-like erotica, you lucky boy.
69 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
68 Britninja

eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!

Pass the mind bleach!!!!!!!!!!!
70 jij (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
@68 and 69
Tell me when the UK newspapers will announce what you have said!
uuuuuujajaja..........
SussieUS
71 ElaineB (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
@68 Oh dear, that is a graphic picture you paint there. And you just know CFKC would be handing them out as gifts to everyone.
72 jij (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:37 pm
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73 ElaineB (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
@72 Go away you strange person.
74 jij (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:47 pm
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75 ElaineB (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
@74 LOL! Mad as a box of farts.
76 briton (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Another lie by the CFK ,

still
tell us something the world already knew .
77 jtj (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
@75 Elaine Burra aka
Isolde Yensere-ly-Skare stinks like a british fart!
78 Britninja (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
@77 With glittering intellect like that, I'm sure you're on Turkeyneck's shortlist for the next ambassadorial appointment.

And a big sorry to anyone who may have thrown up their lunch at the Maximo calendar imagery ;P
79 yankeeboy (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
Methinks Crissy is going to have a tough time with the Unions this pay raise season. Teachers want 30%, CGT 25% Now and another negotiation in June, both want the tax floor raised too.
Rut Ro
Rapidly falling exports, rapidly falling tax revenues possibly a bad Soy crop on top of it all will make Crissy a very sad girl.
80 Anti-Fascist (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
So lets get this right, the government of the fascist Juan Peron recognised a united Vietnam, 2 years before North Vietnam conquered South Vietnam and yet in 1973 the US was still in Vietnam, so it's unlikely Juan Peron recongnised Vietnam as a unified nation in 1973 either!
81 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#) Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:43 pm Report abuse
@61

www.helium.com/items/153807-andrew-jackson-and-his-role-in-the-genocide-of-the-native-americans

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

A genocidal leader, that order complete ethnic cleasing, in the most USED US currency.

www.bing.com/images/search?q=20+dollar+bill&qpvt=20+dollar+bill&FORM=IGRE#view=detail&id=A16196B0C21FC116DBBE1042D361F52FB0E7709C&selectedIndex=5

And all the commonwealth nations have the picture of a woman the represents an institution that tacitly and financially backed Empire, killing, colonial oppression, and eugenics.

Argentina 100 bill my arse...

@62

Good for them. But as I said, Argentines never move on. That will ensure no foreigner ever messes with us again. Our memory is eternal.
82 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 04:28 am Report abuse
34 ElaineB
If true is even more embarrassing for MercoP(enguin)News to copy a non story.
83 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 05:11 am Report abuse
@82marcos

You are so desperate to find something 'wrong' that you are grasping at straws.

Laughable, you sorry soul...
84 Anglotino (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 06:53 am Report abuse
@60 Britninja

“@59 Hmm let me get this straight... You want Europe to apologise for sending your ancestors to South America. So, in other words, you want us to apologise for the fact you exist? I think that's something we can all agree on.”

PMSL. Pure gold! Thank you for making my afternoon.
85 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 07:07 am Report abuse
@81

You don't follow your own logic.

You say that Argentina is strong because it never forgets the ills perpetrated on it (mostly imagined) by other in the past. You say this “strength” will stop others from doing it again. You then say that Argentine is currently being bullied, “picked on” and harangued by other nations.

Doesn't show that your “strength” is working...does it?

The truth however is more logical.

The Argentines were very much part of the genocidal march across the Americas, whereas North America at least recognise this crime against humanity, it seems South America, and Argentina in particular, wish to blame someone else, or white wash it from history.

The Argentines are very much responsible for their own economic plight. The position of power of 100 years ago, with a strong economy, fantastic natural resources, growing infrastructure, has been wrecked by successive corrupt, self serving, crooked leaders....and cheered by people like you all the way. We witness this daily on here.

You talk of foreigners “messing with you”. Argentina has got off lightly. Very lightly. Had it been Russian, French or American territory you invaded in 1982, the military repercussions would have been far more severe, we went easy on you.

Foreigners as you call them, have let the Argentines off staggering sums of debt, wracked up by corrupt governments of the past. If they had forced Argentina to pay, you'd be starving in the streets.

Finally, and I guess most readily experienced on these boards, Britain has patiently, calmly and professionally sat back and watched Argentina lie about it to any country, institution or news agency that is prepared to listen, rewriting history, dishonestly talking gobshoite around the world. The retaliation should be far more severe...you should be “messed with”

It is out of sympathy and pity for the Argentine people given their joke of a government, rather than fear of their strength that retaliation is not forthcoming.
86 mastershakejb (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:10 am Report abuse
lol, weakest leader move ever, blame someone else
87 Anbar (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:16 am Report abuse
“”“”“”“”“”“”“Argentina never forgets, that's why we are still fighting and battling over things that happened 100 years ago by former presidents of ours, or why Peron is still so influencial... we NEVER forget, and NEVER move on until we decide it is time. Centuries can pass by before we decide to let something go.”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“

Actually.... You forget history whenever it is convenient and you forget that you invaded the Falklands in 1982... ”it wasnt us, it was the Junta“.

You also forget 'you' colonised Patagonia in a near-genocidal campaign of expansion.

Doesnt look like very good memory to me... at virtual every opportunity you and your ilk forget things whenever it suits you... its done so often its become an almost ”national trait”... except that I dont believe for one moment that you represent the average Argentine... those claims by yourself and others here are just one more historical delusion.
88 mastershakejb (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:25 am Report abuse
how long til the Argie Cristina defenders on here are accusing Britain and USA of installing Cristina as a puppet dictator to destabilize and destroy Argentina? 6 months after the next Argie default and Cristina escapes in helicopter? a year after?
89 LEPRecon (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
@81 - Tobias, Nostril, whatever

You really are losing the plot.

You blame Europeans for all your ills, yet it is YOU who is descended from Europeans. The European colonists that you hate so much are YOU and the other 43, 000, 000 people of non-native Amerindian descent. You are the murdering colonists, Tobias. YOU.

But then again, you weren't born in the 19 century, so you can't be held accountable for what happened then, espeically as it is morally wrong to judge people from the past using todays moral standards.

However, this is exactly what you do all the time. You constantly blame the British for things done in the 19 c and before, by people who are long dead to people who are long dead, AND you judge them using today's moral standards. This makes you a hypocrite of huge proportions.

You are a weak man. You cannot accept that you are wrong. You cannot accept that Argentina can be wrong, and you cannot accept that Argentina itself CAUSED all of the problems it is now facing.

You wanted to be a part of the UN, IMF, WTO etc. but you don't want to play by the rules that EVERYONE else adheres to.

You are like children who are caught cheating at a game, and are then excluded from playing, and then complain that everyone is picking on you.

That makes you weak. A weak person. A weak government causing a WEAK country, economically, politically, socially and morally.

Maybe one day, Tobias, you'll grow up into a man. The best way to do this is to broaden your horizons by travelling. Of course, you can't do that because your government have left you so monumentally poor that you can't afford to travel to the next province, let alone another country.

My advice, Tobias, is travel. You see when you travel you suddenly realise that no matter what colour, religion or nationality someone is, people are basically all the same, and not evil monsters that you purport them to be. You fear foreigners, so you demonise them, but it just reveals you to be a racist and a coward.
90 atk357 (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
Is CFK trying to immitate “Jane Fonda's stunt”? one sure way to make more political enemies....
91 GFace (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
@90, so long as she doesn't star in a remake of Barbarella.
92 ElaineB (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
@89 “My advice, Tobias, is travel. You see when you travel you suddenly realise that no matter what colour, religion or nationality someone is, people are basically all the same, and not evil monsters that you purport them to be. You fear foreigners, so you demonise them, but it just reveals you to be a racist and a coward.”

Hear, hear. My advice to him also. His life will be as small as his mind if he doesn't put aside the fear.
93 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
@92 Elaine

Agreed.He needs to travel to see that there ARE alternatives to the way life is, in Argentina.
People live happily in other places, without preying on their neighbours or “tricking” them.
He can see how little significance Argentina has in the Grand Scheme of things.

Living under a “Siege Mentality”, it's Hard to get any perspective when he's known nothing else.
94 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
92

I agree; travel is the best way to properly learn about the world. It doesn't matter what you read in a text book or see on TV about a country (although the theory is very important). It's not until you go there, meet the people (not the foreigners working in the hotels, restaurants and tour companies either) and experience some of their lives.

Just don't end up travelling as much as I do! I've started again for the year. The UK has been good and it was great to see friends and all of my favourite sights but I'm just getting tired of so much travel. Heading south again on Saturday but not directly back to the Falklands; I won't be back there for some time. Next week sure will be interesting.

Are you on the road again yet?
95 Anglotino (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@94 Joe

I wanna hear more. At least I can travel vicariously!

I just enrolled at uni. Going back to study again, so going to be a “poor” student.... well Australian poor. LOL no slums for me.

I'm heading to Colombia in July but probably fly via the US as it is cheapest, I'd prefer Santiago or BA but I can get to Bogotá for only ~A$1,800 on airlines I trust via San Fran or LAX. Alas not down to the Islands.
96 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
95

Hey Anglotino, it's been a while since I mentioned my travel on here. Some people accuse me a bragging about it. It's not bragging, trust me. The only people who think a lot of travel is glamorous are people who don't do a lot of travel. Don't get me wrong, i do enjoy it.

The other issue for me is keeping my identity safe. There are only 3,000 of us so if I mention my industry or too much about my itineraries people will easily work out who I am.

Having said that I travel extensively and am usually away from hom for around a full third of the year. Trips range in length from one to three weeks normally. Sometimes the odd one is much longer and sometimes the odd one is much shorter. I tend to be away every other month but usually try to avoid travel in December and January to spend a nice amount of time at home over the summer. As is the case most years I failed again this January.

I mainly deal with government officials in the various countries and sometimes politicians. Often the actual work is thankless and mentally strenuous but I enjoy it.

Enjoy your travels and make the most of being a student. It is a truly precious privilege in this world to have such opportunities at your disposal.
97 mastershakejb (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 03:02 am Report abuse
Colombia's ok, overrated. Southeast Asia has better beaches for much cheaper, and much safer. Ecuador's got better volcanoes for noticeably cheaper. Colombia exports all its good coffee, so don't expect good coffee, unless you want to pay even more than you would in USA, or even Australia, to get the same coffee, cause Colombia's good coffee can only be found in really expensive boutique places in Colombia. Bogota is mostly disgusting, but there are some decent little pieces. The south is much prettier, like Popayan/Cali. The only real reason to travel Colombia, IMO, is to check it off the list of visiting every country in the world scenario, like I'm doing....or if you like cocaine. I enjoyed climbing its volcanoes, and the smaller, higher elevation towns, but the beaches and cities were disgusting for the most part.
98 HaveToCorrectThisRetard (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 03:18 am Report abuse
same user as mastershakejb, just usin my other ridiculous name to add something:
Santiago is awesome, but further south is better, like Chilloe, Puerto Varas, Valdivia, Pucon. Chile was one of my favorite countries to travel in the world. The fruit is incredible and so cheap! The scenery/land is exquisite, and the people are nice and intelligent. And its very safe!

Argentina, on the other hand, is a whole nother story nowadays. It's a mess now. Crime is outta control, expect to have at least one scam/robbery tried on you. Expect prices so high that its more expensive than Australia, which isn't easy to accomplish. A broken public transport system, insanely expensive busses and metros that crash and kill/injure hundreds at a time. You have to pay exorbitant prices for everything in Argentina now, EVERYTHING, including every park or site to see.
99 ElaineB (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 10:56 am Report abuse
@96 I set off next month. I am inclined to keep my trips under two months at a time now rather than the epic overseas trips I did in the past. Like you, I do suffer from travel fatigue when on the road too much but wouldn't swap what I am doing for a suburban life. After the initial joy of reuniting with family, friends and loved ones, I start yearning for an itinerate lifestyle again.

@98 I have to agree, I am smitten with Chile. The contrasts from the north to the south never fails to lift my heart. In my experience Chileans are quite blasé about living in such an extraordinary place. : ) And it is safe, though to talk to Chileans you would think they were living in a desperate place. I guess it is subjective.

That said, I find myself enjoying most places I visit. There is a place in Argentina that is one of my top ten places in the world. It is true that is has declined noticeably in the last few years but I still enjoy the crazy country. There is something to be said for being surrounded by irresponsibility and feckless, reckless abandon; I just wouldn't want to have to live with it on a permanent basis.

Is there anything more exciting than arriving in a new country with everything to explore?
100 mastershakejb (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
@ 99
Agreed about Argentina. Bariloche, El Bolson, Nequen, and El Calafate are among the most beautiful places in the world....but I still wouldn't visit them again until better policies are put into place in that country. You can get a similar vista in Chile for a better price and better policies until then.
YES! traveling is one of the few pleasures in life that just don't get old.
101 Dr. Jeorbbels (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 12:03 am Report abuse
CFK, Timerman Argentine history? what do they know? What do they care? kirchener german #Timerman ukraine Falklands NOT Argentine. History! CFK read it !The true version.Not the version you would have the world believe. Not the version you promote in your schools. CFK is a disgrace to education!
102 reality check (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 09:45 am Report abuse
The more I read on there about Chile, the more I am convinced to take her indoors there for our Golden. What's convincing me is the comments about the Chilean people, the concensus seems to be that they are a friendly and happy bunch. To my mind you can have the greatest scenery and prices in the world, but the people make the place.
103 Audi Consilium (#) Jan 27th, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
22 Nostrolldamus the 8th (#)

'Can't stand seeing embassies with your flags on MY soil.'

Erm, technically speaking the flag is on OUR soil !! what a bummer eh ??? :)

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