Thursday, January 24th 2013 - 19:58 UTC

Exchange Mali support for French involvement if Argentina ‘invades’ Falklands, suggests MP

A British Member of Parliament called for greater military support for France in Mali as a way of committing Paris in the event of an Argentine ‘invasion’ of the Falklands. However the British government downplayed any military attempt from Argentina and reiterated that no ground troops will put foot in the African country.

North Bolton MP David Crausby, (Labour), “We are quick to help but they won’t help us with Falklands”

Minister Robathan: “I have not had any discussions with the French on this matter”

MP David Crausby, Labour from North Bolton told Parliament on Wednesday morning that London should call for France’s support in the event of an armed conflict in the South Atlantic, as happened in 1982. His words were supported by Jean Stroud-Mort the widow of John Stroud who was killed during the Falklands conflict at the age of 20.

The Royal Air Force is currently providing logistical support to France in its ground campaign against Muslim rebels in Mali.

MP Crausby asked whether “France would return the favour if Argentina ever invaded the Falkland Islands”.

Argentina occupied the islands in 1982 until they were reclaimed by a British task force, but tensions in the South Atlantic have escalated recently with ships flying the Falklands flag being banned from some South American ports.

Addressing Andrew Robathan, the minister of state for defence personnel, in parliament, MP Crausby asked if he expected any support from the French in the event of an invasion, and whether he had discussed the matter with his European counterparts.

Minister Robathan replied that it was unlikely that Argentina would invade the Falklands because there was a clause in the country’s constitution that prohibited it.

He said: “I have not had any discussions with the French on this matter”.

Speaking after the debate Mr Crausby told The Bolton News: “The point I’m making is we are quick to help them but everybody knows they won’t help us in the Falkland Islands. “Every time Argentina is in trouble it raises the issue of the Falkland Islands because it’s popular with the people.

“I don’t expect a conflict but we shouldn’t be complacent. The only way we can do that is by increasing defence spending — which is unlikely — or by having the support of our so-called allies like the French.”

Mrs Stroud-Mort said: “France didn’t support us during the Falklands War so I think David Crausby should raise the issue — I have a lot of respect for him.

“The Falkland Islands should be supported by the UN, not just by the UK on its own” concluded the Falklands’ widow.


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1 Think (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
Chuckle chuckle©
Or should I say
Shòuqle shòuqle©
2 Raven (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
and the warmonger/pirates statements to come from the usual posters, or an article about CFK claiming we want to go to war, will be coming in 3...2...1...
3 briton (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
Very good question,
But alas the honest liberalised government of Cameron plays it down,

Would France come to our assistance or not,
Well how can you prove it,
1, if argentina invaded,[most unlikely]
So a blank promise is not enough, seeing as we brits help without condition,

So perhaps a joint French and royal navy training [out or Europe exercise]
In the south Atlantic, in the summer,
If anything, it would totally infuriate CFK and at the very least, a French militating of the south Atlantic,
But would it happen,
The French could out of respect or friendship, suggest such an exercise,
Still it’s the thought that counts,
But will she even think about it.

After all,
he has just told em he loves Europe,
the least they could do,
is show a bit of affection
4 Joe Bloggs (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
How interesting. However the chance of a military invasion is slim. Less slim is the chance some sort of political “stunt” to attract attention. Sort of like a child's tantrum which is an appropriate analogy considering Argentina's president. Anyway, I can't imagine the UK would need help from France to fend off any kind of “stunt” from CFK and her son the Burger King.

I wonder if France sees a parallel between the Falklands and the other British territories in South Atlantic and their own territories in the Caribbean and South America.
5 screenname (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
I don't understand what help they would give. Even if the Argentinians with their stone age military somehow managed to take MP I thought it was planned for special forces to fade into the wilderness with ground to air missles.

No air craft carrier required for control of the skies over the Falklands.

Although NATO forces on the Falklands would make it very funny to watch the SA meltdown.
6 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
“The Falkland Islands should be supported by the UN, not just by the UK on its own”

Like to hear British recognizing the UN does not support the UK in the FI Colony.
7 Anglotino (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
The FIG should just threaten to impound any Argentine military assets and hand them to the “vulture” funds.

Seems to scare CFK no end.

Argentina pretty much lacks the ability to project military power anywhere. But as Joe suggests, be prepared for a stunt. But then again nothing will highlight Argentina's powerlessness more than the world laughing at some stunt.
8 Clyde15 (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
The situations are not the same. The intervention in Mali is to prevent the country falling to militant Islamists who wish to attack Europe. It is not just aimed at France. France is aiding a former colony whose legitimate government is under attack. The UK could be a target as well as France so it is in our own interests that they succeed in pushing these insurgents out of the country.
9 yankeeboy (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
First of all thank goodness the UK is considering getting out of the EU. Itis like an anchor around your neck.
Secondly, the MP was only pointing out that UK ( like USA) are always helping out their friends and the “friends” never seem to do likewise.

Plus what in the world would the UK need from France that they couldn't get from the USA? Cheese? Snotty Attitudes? Smelly people?

One would think Argentinians would be a bit more concerned that the Peso is dropping like a rock. 7.56/1 today
Lower Peso=Higher Inflation=Higher Inflation=Lower Peso
Where does it end
Hyperinflation I suppose
10/1 peso coming soon to a kiosco near you
10 screenname (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
@6 Islas Malvinas: the binding resolution telling Argentina to get out of the Falklands suggests you are mistaken
11 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
@10 ”UK on its own”
12 Think (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:59 pm Report abuse

La Pucelle d'Orléans to the rescue of les goddams….

Chuckle chuckle©
13 MrFlagpole (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
Honestly I think we've hit this one covered without or even with the assistance of the French.
14 Gloomy Northern Boy (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
I believe the French gave us a fair amount of discreet help in respect of Exocets (the Argentine spent millions in France trying to get more,tracked by the authorities all the while) and the USN offered to lend us a Carrier if we lost one in 1982...we also got ammo and intel aplenty; no reason to expect otherwise were it to happen again; which is most unlikely without a ten to twelve year lead time for the Argentine to rebuild a credible military capability; by which time we will be operating Aircraft two or three generations ahead of anything they could get - some of which will be at MPA, along with top of the line UAVs.

It's all blather...
15 Conqueror (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
@1 Who cares what a pillock says? Or twinks?
@3 We don't need the French. Never have before. If arsieland tries again, we should just destroy it. Totally. Leave nothing alive. They tried once. We gave them a spank. If they try again, hit them with everything we have. It's not as if they don't deserve it.
@6 UN doesn't support arsieland!
@11 More than enough to finish YOU. I have no problem with argie destruction. Argentines should leave. WE're beginning to get angry. You wouldn't like us if we were angry. We were more than happy to show the Americans how to make an atomic bomb. And we have a few, bigger, ones. That we don't need anyone's permission or assistance to send where we want to send them. Personally, I have no problem with 30 million trails of smoke. 30 million piles of ash. Just say goodbye, arsieland. Nobody likes you. Nobody wants you. Nobody needs you. Nobody gives a toss.
@12 Unnecessary. You're just living on borrowed time. And borrowed money. Tick, tock, tick, tock. Alarm! Explosions! Blast! Heat! Hubble, bubble, botox trouble!
16 Think (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Conqueror’s wet dream come true.....

Wall Street Journal; 24/01/2013
”Britain is dispatching a band of skilled killers to an island off the Argentine coast on a boat carrying a lethal arsenal.”

Chuckle chuckle©
17 Clyde15 (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
We managed to get rid of some invasive rats in 1982 without much bother. Ratus Norvegicus will be much more difficult. These are highly intelligent, resourceful and brave - the antithesis of the 1982 squatters.

As Roland rat was wont to say......... YEAHHHHHH!
18 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
Mali assistance is in return for the use of the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle - simples! It's already been agreed. With places like Martinique, a part of France with a vote and actually in the Eurozone, in the Rg colonialist view, France is just like England. ie more colonialists. Confusing isn't it?

But Rgland is the biggest colony of all 40 million mainly Latin interlopers! Trouble is they are all about as competent as Manuel in Fawlty Towers...
19 LEPRecon (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
The whole thing is a moot point. Argentina han't got a military worth a dime, which is why they're always trying to get someone else to fight their battles for them.

The title of this article is completely misleading too. The British are already helping the French out under the recently signed Anglo-French agreement. This was just a question posed in the HoC by one MP acting on behalf of one of his constituency.

Should the UK ever require assistance, then under this agreement, the French would supply what they could.

But let's face it, against Argentina the UK doesn't need France's assistance we already have all the help we need...the Argentine government and their complete inability to get anything right. :)))
20 andy65 (#) Jan 24th, 2013 - 11:43 pm Report abuse

You should be ashamed like the despot Argentine defence minister says he is below

Thursday, January 24th 2013- 20:02 UTC
Argentine Defence minister ‘ashamed’ of the Santisima Trinidad sinking in port
21 GFace (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
@19, well they could loan the FI constabulary Inspector Clouseau to handle the trespassing paperwork against any La Campora were stupid enough to be duped into a provocation stunt in the lead-in or followup to the referendum. But I'd really prefer it if they sent Inspector Florentini 'cause he's wicket kewl.
22 screenname (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 03:26 am Report abuse
@16 Think: re your web link

'island off the Argentine coast' is a bit like saying the UK is off the coast of Africa

@8 Clyde15:

'France is aiding a former colony whose legitimate government is under attack'

do you not remember 1066? And at the minute it looks like French Usurper colonists are replacing Argentina in Newcastle (jajajajajajaja)
23 Chuch (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 09:21 am Report abuse
I don’t think the FI and the UK would be on their own in a time of trouble………..
It would and always has been a loose bruise situation for Argentina.
24 Clyde15 (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
Sorry, aged as I am, I was not around in 1066 and my ancestors would have been about 500 miles north of this.
Sorry again, but your reference to French replacing Argentina in the capitol of “Geordie land” has me baffled ????
25 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
Visitors to Argentina will know of the habit there of placing declarations that Las Malvinas belong to Argentina somewhat randomly on signs in unexpected places. I’ve seen one on a gantry over a motorway, for instance — which in England would probably carry warnings like ROADWORKS FOR 17 MILES or FOG.

It unclear whose benefit these stern insistences are for. In Córdoba, for instance, the pleasant inland city I’ve been staying in, where British tourists are hardly common, a permanent notice on a pole in a shady square where you might expect to read “No Cycling” announces that it is forbidden to forget that the Malvinas are ... etc.

But on Sunday I spotted a new medium for this message. A bus company is actually called Malvinas Argentinas — their registered company name on the sides of their buses (and, let’s hope, not to be confused with the destination of the bus).

Could we British take to the use of trade names for political propaganda? Calling a minicab company “Gibraltar is British” would be thought eccentric
26 Gustbury (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
15@shut up .idiot!!!stupid sick boy!!
27 Boovis (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
@25: there's a restaurant in Berlin called the malvinas as well, it was all i could do to stop myself bricking their windows.
28 LEPRecon (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
@26 - Gustbury

Good comeback....NOT!

Keep taking the medication, it will eventually start to work.
29 briton (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
So the consensus is,
We don’t need the French, seems ok.
Anyway, apparently we have a few Special Forces in Mali,
One sentinel and two transport aircraft, helping them,
Back to the Falklands, [just a sec]
Check this out, [all British]
3 different views, but the first two pictures seem to be of old stock,
And apparently the Queen Elizabeth will go into the water next year, ahead of schedule..
Engine installed.
Rolls Royce,
he he

30 screenname (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
@24 Clyde15: I take it you don't follow sport that keenly

The Frenchies got a bit further north than you might think.

Balliol, Comyn, Bruce, Wallace: all evil colonist userpers. Is there any way we can find out who their descendents are, and deny them any part in the democratic process? or maybe that's just crazy Argentine logic.
31 slattzzz (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
she's well ahead of schedule I was down the dockyard today having a look, (She's fookin huge) apparently the F35 is ahead of schedule as well. It was interesting to see large parts of the Prince Of Wales already sitting on the adjacent dockside ready for assembly soon as the docks empty
32 briton (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
yep she is going to be great,
a chance for the navy to show off power it has missed for decades.

i presume we will all see her float out next year.
33 roger (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
uuuuuujajaja what a joke!
the islands are kept in british assholes!
no money, no classs keep the islands is such assholes! uuuuujajaja!
34 Anglotino (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 01:09 am Report abuse
I'm not sure if “roger” has the same connotations outside of Australia but I do find it funny that this poster's name is roger and he keeps talking about putting things in arseholes.
35 Clyde15 (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 11:03 am Report abuse
How many names does Sussy have ? I notice she still has a stutter.........uuuuujajaja and an anal fixation. Maybe her potty training did not work.
36 rogers (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
don't you know that nobody can invade “the islands”? the islands are kept in the british assholes! uuuuujajaja!
37 slattzzz (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
@36 fook off sussie your needed streetside, still sponging off our American friends, you've obviously forgot your methadone today. Do you get paid extra for bottom sex? If so you must be loaded unless your a right munter that is
38 reality check (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
Triple bag job!
39 slattzzz (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
sussie only keeps changing it's name because it has nothing intelligent to say, it thinks it can pull the wool over our eyes by these cunning plans. I reckon it works for the rg intellignce service, which explains quite a lot really
40 briton (#) Jan 26th, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
Only you Argies can wiggle your tongues ,
And wonders why, know one wants you.
41 s1b (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 12:46 am Report abuse
yes! @40
you are right! the british are bloody rubbish people!
42 Pirat-Hunter (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 02:16 am Report abuse
Mali 9/11 and the french trained terrorists murdering civilians and protesters with the help of the british money and weapons supply, nothing new! same old colonists doing the killing for their lords. Killing black people is a way of life for white people. I don't think history can hide this repetitive and obsessive way of life, living by the rule of murder and theft from ethnic groups. I wonder how the french and brits would feel if armed gangs killed their civilians at their homes? Anyone wants to elaborate on that? Somalians are the only people with courage to treat the english the way the english treat others. Let the white people kill as many blacks as they wish so the orphans meet the white murderers face to face.
43 Anglotino (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:29 am Report abuse
Yep exactly!

Next troll please.......
44 Clyde15 (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
#42 ...........nothing new!
Still peddling the same old inane crap. Do you EVER read about the things you post ? Do you ever look at the newsreel footage of what is happening in Mali. The local populations are coming out to cheer the French forces for getting rid of a murderous group of insurgents - including Arabs - trying to inflict Sharia law on a BLACK people who do not want it.
Somalis have killed thousands more “blacks” than whites.
It is nothing but a tribal state ruled by warlords who will kill anyone for a profit - including Argentinians regardless of their colour.
If you have anything resembling a brain with cognitive processes, try using it - in your case it is probably futile to hope for this.
45 s1b (#) Jan 28th, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
@ 39
nothing scares her! You are a coward!

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