Thursday, January 31st 2013 - 14:06 UTC

Two Falklands’ lawmakers fly to London to meet with Argentine Foreign minister

Two elected members of the Falkland Islands’ Legislative Assembly will be travelling to London this weekend to be available to take part in any discussions regarding the Islands when Argentine Foreign minister Hector Timerman meets with Foreign Secretary William Hague, according to a release from Gilbert House, Stanley.

MLA Dick Sawle fluent in Spanish and Falklands’ history

MLA Jan Cheek has a long experience as lawmaker

Minister Timerman expected in London next week

The Falklands’ elected government has repeatedly stated it is willing to meet with the government of Argentina in order to make the people of the Islands views clear and to discuss matters of mutual interest including fisheries and communications.

Such willingness was again openly displayed by Members of the Legislative Assembly in their letter of 2012 to President Cristina Fernandez, details of which were made public on 15 June 2012.

Earlier this week the Argentine embassy in the UK announced that Foreign minister Timerman will be taking the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty claim to London in a scheduled event February 6/7 with “outstanding figures from 18 European countries that have been calling for a resumption of (UK-Argentina) negotiations”.

Taking advantage of his trip to the UK, minister Timerman requested a meeting with Foreign Secretary Hague, who happily accepted and anticipated he would raise London’s serious concerns about Argentina’s policy towards the Falkland Islands.

Likewise Mr Hague also underlined that for any conversation on Falkland Islands issues, the Falklands’ government must be represented, and that there can never be any negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until the Falkland Islanders so wish.

The Timerman incursion to London is geared to expose in Europe the 180th anniversary of the alleged ‘forcible usurpation’ of the Falklands in January 1833, according to Argentina’s interpretation of historical facts, but most important to try and water-down the significance of the Falklands referendum March 10/11 on the Islands political status and future.

The full January 31st release from Gilbert House, seat of the Falklands’ elected Legislative Assembly states the following:

“The Falkland Islands Government has been advised that the Argentine Foreign Minister will visit London next week, and has requested a meeting with the UK Foreign Secretary William Hague.

“Mr Hague has told the Government of Argentina he would be happy to meet Mr Timerman. At that meeting he would want to raise the UK Government’s serious concerns about Argentina’s policy towards the Falkland Islands.

“He has also made it clear that, for any conversation on Falkland Islands issues, the Falkland Islands Government must be represented.

“Mr Hague has also reiterated to Argentina that there can never be any negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until the Falkland Islanders so wish. The Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly believes that the result of the forthcoming referendum will demonstrate definitively that we do not. Should the issue of sovereignty be raised at the meeting, it will not be discussed.

“Members of the Legislative Assembly made it clear in their letter of 2012 to President Fernandez de Kirchner (details of which were made public on June 15, 2012), that the Falkland Islands Government is willing to meet with the Government of Argentina in order to make our views clear, and to discuss matters of mutual interest including fisheries and communication. Therefore, MLA Dick Sawle and MLA Jan Cheek will travel to London this weekend to be available to take part in this discussion.

“We want to reassure anyone concerned by this that we are not going to be negotiating any deal with Argentina. Rather we are anticipating a full and frank exchange of views. Indeed we look forward to giving Mr Timerman some very direct messages on the unacceptability of Argentina’s actions against the Falkland Islands in recent years. We demand that our rights be respected, and that we be left in peace to choose our own future and to develop our country for our children and generations to come. It is only right that he should hear this directly from us, as well as from Mr Hague”.

The Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands

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1 jeffski (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
Brilliant, suck on that titman.
2 saphira (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
How long before his trip is called off ?
3 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
Give him hell and watch him squirm. Bet he'll come out with all sorts of shite afterwards about how he made them see rgenweeners case when the truth of the matter is he will be handed his arse on a plate by WH and the MLA's and left in no uncertain terms on the UK / Falkland Islanders stance. Then CFK will sack him, still think they should invite him to Pompey dockyard though or even a tour round the Queen Elizbeth in Rosyth
4 GFace (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
Time to lay odds if they will even be let in the building let alone room.
5 womble (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
The chances of them meeting are slim to none, and slim just left town....

An expensive flight for no purpose, I think.
6 jeffski (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
Great move by WH, one thing for sure which ever move titman makes he is going to look stupid. I personally hope the meeting goes ahead and the FiG reps get stuck right in, it will make great press.
7 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
Well if he meets Mr Hague as HE has requested, just have the two MLA's present in the room, and a surprise visit by David Cameron who can hand him a letter with all the correct history of the Falkland Islands including documentation from the 17 & 1800's ships logs etc etc and a inslip telling rgenweener to do one.
8 Idlehands (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
The meeting will be in the foreign office not the Argentine embassy so Timmerman will have no control over who is able to attend. He'll just refuse to attend himself.

Good time for Dick & Jan to do a bit of shopping.
9 redpoll (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
Gosh those two sure been clocking up the airmiles lately!
10 coldo (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
How will this work...?

Timmerman is not allowed to acknolege the existing of the Falklands people yet if they are sat infront of him he cant iognore them...

Rock and hard place Timmerman.... LOL
11 Britworker (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
Yes I'm quite sure the meeting won't go ahead, it's difficult to look someone in the eye and tell them their human rights don't matter and they have no right to self determination. It's much easier to do this from a safe distance in sound bites, that is the cowards way, the Argentine way.
12 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
8 Idlehands

Exactly......... We should be taking bets as to whether Laughing boy Timerman attends his own meeting!!!

By the way, The photo of him, at the top of the page, do you think he looks a bit...........well, hunted?
13 Escoses Doido (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Sorry for being off topic, But here's Argentina's contribution to UK road safety.
14 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
13 Escoses Doido

Ignoring laws, not paying fines.............. You can tell he's from Argentina.
15 Orbit (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
@12 - Agree - wonder what the odds are on him asking for political asylum :)
16 jeffski (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
It would be a classic if titman walked in expecting a one on one with WH and the two MLA reps are in the room, what can he do “run out”? haha and WH has the camera crews at the exit door. Bring it on you clowns.
17 Raven (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
It looks like the FCO are about to play their end game. I suspect Timerman will be left feeling inadequate and exposed and certainly not calling the shots at this meeting.
18 Idlehands (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
That's not likely to happen now they've announced the two will be present at any meeting. It's in the BAH too so it's going to at least take some wriggling to get out of it.
19 coldo (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
I wonder what the topic of conversation will be if this does happen

1 Your not buying enough from us despite our agreement not to buy anything from you
2 Your money is worth more thabn hours which is not fair
3 You must force your ships to come back to us and miss the Falkalnds
4 Your old ship you sold us years ago has sunk and it's your fault
5 It's our cluster of islands acording to our rewrite of hystory, prove me wrong
6 Why are you taking all our fish and oil from the mother land
7 Antartica is ours becuase we are closest and no one elses
8 Everyone in the world in goverment, power, on the streets, int he air, in space, in the bible even say that the Falklands are ours. Honest they do, they even signed this piece of paper to say so. Prove me wrong!

What have I missed?
20 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
3 slattzzz

Well Laughing boy Timerman is no stranger to public embarrassment is he? It's pretty much a comedy roadshow whenever he walks out on stage.
He cannot seriously expect to get anything other than a right, royal bollocking and to be made an idiot. He is pretty much walking to his own, very public execution.
21 reality check (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
This explains the other story about is meeting with the euro18, it's a tag on. I was wondering how the hell he could conduct Argentine foreign policy from the Embassy, without some form of UK FO involvement, did not make sense!
22 Islas Malvinas (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
This is gonna be interesting
23 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
It needs to be televised this would make great viewing
24 Idlehands (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
The MLA reps need to turn up at the embassy with a TV crew in tow too.
25 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
Exactly, they need to milk this for all it's worth because I am sure Argentina did not expect this
26 Conqueror (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
I really hope that this is videoed for posterity. A brainless argie wriggling on the hook he's provided. Can we just imagine it?
T: The Malvinas were stolen from Argentina in 1833.
FI: Can we start by discussing the situation of the Falkland Islands between 1690 and 1820?
T: That's not relevant!
FI: Is that because it's a 130-year period of British sovereignty?
T: Spanish sovereignty!
FI: But the Spanish didn't arrive until 1767. And, even then, they only bought the French settlement. The installations. France had no sovereignty.
T: The British abandoned the Islands!
FI: No. Because of other commitments, Britain temporarily evacuated its settlements. It never relinquished sovereignty.
T: The Nootka Convention!
FI: Doesn't apply. Britain agreed not to colonise anything else. It didn't. It just retained what it had already colonised.
T: The papal bull of 1493!
FI: That was rejected even at the time.
T: In 1833, the Argentine population was forcibly removed by British military action!
FI: No, they weren't. The illegal military garrison were requested to leave. Just four civilians chose to go with them.
T; Argentina inherited the Islands from Spain!
FI: But the Islands didn't belong to Spain. There was, and is, no legal principle by which a rebellious colony can “inherit” territory. And Spain didn't even “recognise” Argentina until 1856.
T: Argentina claimed the Islands in 1820!
FI: Leaving aside the fact of an illegal act by a common criminal, a pirate, why would Argentina decide to “claim” something it believed it already owned?
T: Malvinas Argentinas!
WH: Now, Mr Foreign Minister, why don't you accept the reality? The Falkland Islands don't belong to Argentina. And we have the evidence to prove it. Should you choose to take the matter to the ICJ. So why don't you sod off? Or do we have to crush your country properly?
27 XAVIERV (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
This is going to be to rent balconies. This minister our every day is crazier! (I am critical of the government). I imagine it will respond when it shows Islander representatives, Mr. William Hague Sorry, Argentina failed talks with penguins .. Jajaja!
28 kelperabout (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
Could be a catch 22 for the Argentine deligation. If they refuse to accept and talk to the MLA's they will be ridiculed and if they do acept the Mla's they will be dambed by their own Country for acknoweledging that we exist. My guess is they will find a way to cancel this planned meeting after our representitives leave the Islands. Either way The Falkland People win another round.
29 dixie rebel (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
More Argentine bullshit. Good thing that the Falklands are Brititsh.
30 Trunce (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
@11 Britworker

“it's difficult to look someone in the eye and tell them their human rights don't matter ”

But according to Arge - they are not a 'people'.
31 Gloomy Northern Boy (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
A pleasure to see a fellow Yorkshireman behaving with low cunning of the highest order...can't wait to see how the Argentine wriggle out of this one...
32 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
This is strange if Argentina accept the terms of this meeting because they have refused until now to recognise The Falkland Island government I think this story could change soon as no response from B.A yet
33 Anbar (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
£50 says Timmerman will back-out and not meet with the Islanders.

Which will effectively destroy all of Argentina's claims about “we just want to talk”. as show it ALL up as total bullshit.
34 reality check (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
10/1 Teething.
25/1 Nappy rash.
30/1 whooping cough.
50/1 Collic.
60/1 Measles.
Evens Chicken pox.
35 Gustbury (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Guys remember!!.only deal with the owner of the circus!
36 Trunce (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
@ 34 reality check

He could borrow CFK's back problem, 'Deviodus-Spineus'.
37 jeffski (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
@35 that is why CFC should be at the meeting as she sure is the owner of the circus that is the basket case Argentina.

Can't wait to see the “outstanding” EU peeps titman & co have lined up for this joke stunt.
38 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
verbal diarrhea
39 jeffski (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
Sorry CFK
40 Britworker (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
And my opening line to Timmerman would be:
“So Dumbo can fly”
41 Idlehands (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
Looks like Alicia's twitter account has gone down. I was going to ask who the 18 Outstandings are.
42 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:42 pm Report abuse
@41 funny old thing that eh, we should just fookin deport the bint. On second thoughts no they might replace her with someone sensible
43 Gustbury (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
When the numbers do not close, everything is negotiable! greetings
44 Idlehands (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
Seems OK now so I 've tweeted her to ask..

In December she tweeted that she is going to:

“ask European Court of Human Rights to address the issue of Argentines being denied basic human right to vote in Malvinas referendum”

She's bonkers. Maybe all UK citizens should too. There's 60 million of us so it should be fair.
45 Usurping Pirate (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
HM Govt : Please , please record the entire meeting and show it on TV . Hague utterly destroying every one of Tinpot's weak arguments will be excellent entertainment .
Just need the beer and pop corn .
46 Gustbury (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
There are many Brits here in Chubet province, happy to belong to Argentina!!
47 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
@44 obviously got a long way with that little gem
@45 oh wouldn't that be hilarious come on BBC get in there
48 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
45 Usurping Pirate

Is this an “invitation only” gig or an “all ticket” event?
If they are selling tickets to watch William Hague trample all over Timerman then put me down for eight. We can have a family day out in London and then stop off at the FCO for dinner and the show.
49 Gloomy Northern Boy (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
@46 - Could we send 16 (Air Assault) Brigade over to ask them door to door?
50 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
Tinman, is already showing us how desperate Argentina are, they need to maintain the publicity for their colonial claim. After the 180th anniversary of the fake usurp is over, there is nothing left to keep this in the news and they know the issue will start to fade. After this London event and the referendum the UK should just ignore the morons. Their claim cannot go anywhere without publicity.

Please have a read of the comments from the RG public in the link below, many of them agree with us, that the RG Govt are idiots.

'Kelpers Timerman want to meet before the referendum in Falkland
Chancellor summoned to a meeting in London for “a frank exchange of views”; anticipated that there will be no negotiations'
51 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
@46 that's what freedom of choice does for you know what I mean? If not let me enlighten you when the Falkland Islanders vote to remain British it will be freedom of choice, thier choice not rgenweeners or anyone else. So be a good troll and leave this debate to adults.
52 Raven (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
@27 Xavierv

Considering what you post, I couldn't believe you even if you owned up to being a La Campora troll.
53 Rufus (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
@19 Coldo

Your #4 misses out the funniest bit...

Your old ship you sold us the design for, that we messed up the building of, before we managed to get ourselves embargoed by the country that could sell us spares (meaning that we had to cannibalize most of the ship to keep the one that you built in something approaching working order) has finally sunk.
Were it not for the fact that we haven't actually paid for it in the first place we would demand our money back
54 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
@50 very interesting comments from the real people (not trolls) seems they want thier own country sorted out and see the Falklands as what it is, a distraction.
55 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
'Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman is not scheduled to meet with representatives of the British and the islanders during his trip to London. “Foreign relations are between states,” he said from Chancery.

Falklands government representatives were due to meet with Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman next week in London, according to reports today in the diplomacy of England. However, in Argentina were sharp and clear that no such meeting on the official agenda of the minister....'
56 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
well steve they had better start wriggling now then or cancel it as Tinman asked to meet with WH to discuss the Falklands so if the two MLA's are present what will he do sit there and say nothing. I think he will have to meet WH as a diplomacy matter as a Foreign minister visiting a country without meeting his counterpart is a bit off
57 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
55 Steve-33-uk

.........and now comes the frantic back pedalling!!! You see? give them enough rope and they always hang themselves with it!!!
58 Clyde15 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
After the meeting (the Muppet show), Mr T . should be invited onto Newsnight to state his case. I am sure Mr. Paxman will give him a fair hearing ans in return ask some embarrassing probing questions.
59 Usurping Pirate (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
@54 : You are right . Less and less Argentines give two hoots about the Islands . Others are quite sympathetic to the Islanders' plight , saying even we don't we want to be ruled by these clowns , so why should the islanders ?
60 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
@58 LOL that would be funny
61 Viscount Falkland (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
Looks like Dick and Jan will be able to have a good meeting with our friend Mr Hague and a bit of a giggle at Hector not turning up ,followed by a nice foreign office lunch.
62 reality check (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
He is not going to show. It's a typical dishonest RG ploy to hold this meeting with the Euro 18 at the London Embassy. No doubt be claimed as a diplomatic coup and be of tremendous propoganda value. The Latams wil love it, one over on the Gringo's.
63 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
Damn! I had my cannons lined up on the entrance for when he comes out. And WH had lined up some pork scratchings and a nice Melton Mobrey pie too... Let's find out where he is meeting the Eurotwats and have a nice welcome party waiting like they did for the disembarking P&O pensioners!
64 svt (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
uuuuuujajaja what a waste of time! same 3,ooo idiots craying at the same time!
65 Vestige (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
The Argentinian politician meets the British politician.
The other two mock representatives go stand in the corner.
The islanders are just an extension of Great Britain, spend the same money, speak the same language, have the same ...yuck...monarch, same military, culture, laws, same everything with some novelties thrown in (oh look heres a slightly different stamp , in a weak attempt to be a country (all the world see's through it).
Look just own up and say its a bit of England, stop this franchising BS throughout the world, it only causes trouble and huge animosity towards the very country they claim to love. (theres your loyalty)
Then perhaps real self determination and diplomacy can begin. The islands would be split 50/50 tomorrow if all Britons were given the choice. Because Britons are are normally sensible, not like the other crackpot deranged Britons that remain in various bunkers around the world, causing trouble for all involved, and in this case claiming vast swathes while whinging that they want the centuries old dispute to end at their convenience, riiight about now, 'we have it good so you can stop now' wouldn't that be handy.
Unfortunately such disputes don't get forgotten overnight, as the millions of mainland Brits know.
66 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
@Vestige (# LOL you must be well pissed of, all this ON BRITISH SOIL now go kiss your leaders nasty botox lips I can not wait to see old TINMAN slapped in the chops next week
67 cornishair (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
“The islanders are just an extension of Great Britain, spend the same money, speak the same language” would that make you Spanish then Vestige? or do Argentineans not speak a implant language, because they usurped the land they live in. God i hate this Colonialist attitude from the Argentina! Sometimes i think they must be living in a pre-21st century country, controlled by retards.

68 GFace (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
@55, well Steve, the more we see these statements where AR will only talk to the UK, not elected members of the FI, the more it AR appears to be desperate for validation from London.

Or as I said once.
69 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
@65 wow that was some spiel, few pick ups though.
the only one that will be standing in the corner is tinman whilst he gets his arse handed to him on a plate.
It's not a bit of England it's a BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY the clues in the title dipshit.
Think the chance of a 50/50 split is way off the mark try 98/2 against rgenweener owning any of the Falkland Islands.
None of our overseas colonys cause us any problems the only cause of problems is jealous twats like rgenweener that want something they can't have.
You are right on just one point though disputes don't get forgotten, we will never forget 1982, and thats why you will always be in our shadow and watch on enviously as the Falklands go from strengh to strengh.
So trot on and be prepared to be highly embarrassed when the Tinman cancels. And even if he doesn't cancel still be prepared.
70 XAVIERV (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
There will be pirate show
71 reality check (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
“Two mock representatives go stand it the corner.”

By that you mean the people who have inhabited the Islands for 150 years and you wonder why they want nothing to do with you! you thick or what?

Not yours. never have been, never will be. Time you learned to live with that, because frankly, you are all getting rather pathetic with your never ending whining.
72 Monty69 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
65 Vestige

Your attitude, of contempt and hostility towards Falkland Islanders is the best illustration of why there is no long term solution to this 'dispute' in sight. Your frankly colonialist attitude just won't do in this day and age.

Your description of the islands' society and culture has no basis in reality, and doesn't become any more true just because you keep saying it. If it were true, and the islands was 'just another part of England', then there wouldn't be a problem, would there? We would all just go 'home' and that would be the end of it.

We are Falkland Islanders first and British second, and our 'loyalty' doesn't stretch to destroying ourselves so that the British government can have a nice cup of tea with Timerman without things getting awkward.

I don't know what gave you the idea that you were qualified to talk on behalf of the 'average Briton'. Given your almost complete ignorance about the Falkland Islands, I see no reason to think you know anything about Britain either.
73 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
Another option for HE the Foreign Minister. He might choose to turn up with the Fabiana Rios and a gang of portfolio holders from the Provincial Government. Then the local politicians could talk at each other until they tire themselves out, leaving the two ministers to get down to the real business of relations between the two nations.

As we're talking political stunts, perhaps Governor Rios could relay to her subordinate executives on the Islands the progress of her simultaneous Referendum asking The Question of the whole of her bailiwick.
74 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
@Monty69 They are bitter and jealous nation so let the world see these sad Argentines refusing to speak to a peaceful community I ask WHAT ARE YOU AFFRAID OF?? perhaps THE TRUTH????
75 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
@73 there are two options sit and talk to the MLA's in the presence of WH and look stupid, or cancel and look stupid, either way rgenweener is not coming out of this one looking anything but stupid. End of.
76 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
If you look at some of the Spanish speaking forums it seems The Argentine people have alot more sense than there govermant, they are asking why not talk to The Islanders-seems CFKs Govermant is way out of touch
77 Monty69 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
73 Doveoverdover

William Hague said he wasn't going to discuss anything about Falkland Islands sovereignty without FIG representatives being present. It seems like a good way forward from the present stalemate to have our elected representative on hand just in case the conversation heads in that direction.

If you object to that approach, then I suggest you lobby your elected representatives for a change in government policy and vote accordingly at the next UK general election. That is, if you aren't a feeble Argentine troll, in which case you have even less opportunity to influence UK government policy. Never mind.

Dear me, it gets right up your colonialist nose to see us pesky Falkland Islanders getting above ourselves, doesn't it, you old dinosaur. Well I'm tugging my forelock for you right now, but it's a hopeless cause I fear. The world will just move on.
78 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
@70 sorry Xavi but that is the start of the climbdown, the excuse will be we are not coming because they insist we talk to MLA's. He has to meet William Hague as part of the diplomacy pact in fact HE requested it, so he's between a rock and a hard place, only way is to cancel and look like a fool AGAIN.
@77 well said mate Dufferoverdover is a closet rg, he reckons he was in the Royal Navy, yeah right dream on and back down the legion
79 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Argentina needs to learn other countrys are not just going to jump to there demands and do things there way,unfortunate if your Argentine you have no choice with your leaders policy of Her Way Or No way ,that does not apply beyond your borders you need to learn the heart of deplomecy after all your dealing with the country that invented it GREAT BRITAIN.
80 golfcronie (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
I would love to be a fly on the wall at the meeting in the FO
81 Redrow (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
Timerman would have been better pulling a stunt at a neutral venue. But to go into the enemy's HQ where you have no control over anything and you are trying to argue a case that is miserably weak to begin with, is suicidal. By rolling out the red carpet Britain can say it is playing fair by (non-binding) UN resolutions to talk. It's lose lose for Team RG. I'm struggling to imagine what possible scenario they have in mind that could make them look good here. The 18 “outstanding” Europeans will need to be absolute A-listers to have any chance of avoiding a total whitewash. Either way it'll make great telly!
82 screenname (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
@65 Vestige

Tell you what, since Argentina is th size of India and only has a population of 41million why don't we have a 50/50 split of that land with the UK. It's not like you need all that space.

That makes a lot more sense than the Falklanders giving up half their territory to a nation that shows them nothing but malice and has a history of aggression against them. Who on earth would want their enemy in their property when they can have the nearly 300miles away?
83 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
@81 totally agree they must have seen this coming, they will look really bad for refusing to talk, whilst Britain and the Falklands will just say you had the opportunity but refused. The whole point of him coming is to put forward thier case however weak it is to 18 “outstanding” people, so to be seen to refuse to talk to either WH and the MLA's will not go down well with the UN or in fact any international committee LOSE LOSE.
84 GALlamosa (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
The Argentine Government is clearly scared sh****ss of the referendum and what it will do to their relentless campaign to colonise the Falklands.

Chances are they will end up with a bunch of no-makrk dimwits from the EU at an expensive champagne party at the Embassy, not discuss anything, and then claim they have huge European support. The EU-CELAC summit recently clearly proved quite the opposite.

The last throes of a failing Foreign Minister perhaps ??
85 briton (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
Apparently William hill is betting odds on fav, tinman will refuse to meet the Falkland islanders,

Either he will not come,
Or will refuse to meet the British, in case they are forced to meet the islanders.

Time is running out,
Will he//or wont he.
86 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
@77 Let's deal with the abuse first. I am not an Argentinian Troll; salaried or otherwise. Neither am I a dinosaur, being not yet extinct.

My gratuitous advice to Argentina on how to deal with you ungrateful colonists has only one objective. To drive you into the arms of the UK. My political strategy is very much forward looking. Extraction of the UK from the EU and incorporation of the Overseas Territories and Dependencies into the UK so that they can contribute to reducing the UK National Debt and the annual deficit. Once in the UK our elected representatives can then discuss devolution.

Splendid plan don't you think? Defeat Argentinian aspirations by meeting the one criteria the C24 can't reject. Integration.

I look forward to your support in the forthcoming Referendum. Vote NO for a debate
87 screenname (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
@73 Doveoverdover: if you want to talk about political stunts, lets talk about you still pretending to be in Dover.

Get a new username. You gave the game away weeks ago now, do you not realise how pathetic you look.
88 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@87 I may look pathetic to you. That is for you to say. All I will say is thank you for your gratuitous advice, provided in the medium of another content free post. I will not be following it.
89 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
@Doveoverdover What a sad individual why pretend to be something your not most milatry personel would slap you in the mouth if you spoke like you do face to face.
90 Orbit (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
The 18 outstanding will no doubt be like the worst celebrity reality TV show line up imaginable. A succession of insecure wannabes or antagonistic shite stirrers, who crave attention.

Talking of attention seeking children, I'm assuming WH et al are leaving the '18' meeting well alone. After all the only show in town is the referendum, only 6 weeks away.
91 Vestige (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
A lot I could pick out from the err, passion (?), above, but one gave me a little laugh ...“None of our overseas colonys cause us any problems”.
Seriously,I know it was probably said off the cuff, so you don't need me to correct this. But someone here should maybe take the time, just in case.
(btw cut the racial ad-homs , you don't know my nationality or background).
92 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
@89 Sad and pathetic. Two votes against so far, then. On your substantive point, such as it is with it's absence of grammatical structure, I managed to survive regular service from 1974 to 2011 without being slapped in the mouth by anything more penetrative than a Gurkha Curry. I'm sure the risk remainsVery Low.
93 reality check (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
This is what is called win, win diplomacy on the part of the UK.
The UK and the FIG show willing to engage in talks, provide a venue at date.
1. The Argentines fail to show. Win.
2. The Argentines show and refuse to talk with FIG representaives present. Win.
3. The Argentines show up and trilateral talks take place. Win.

There's one thing for certain. Having been invited to take part in talks at the FO. The Argentines are going to look pretty foolish, if they do not attend and continue harping on about the UK not complying, with Non binding UN Resolutions to do just that.

Then again, that has not stopped them so far!
94 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
@Vestige says,(btw cut the racial ad-homs , you don't know my nationality or background

Not that we are interested the only thing we do know you come across as being a right PRICK
95 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
@91 so which of our overseas territories cause us problems then?
96 XAVIERV (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
It seems that the Islanders will only sightseeing in London ..
97 Vestige (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
ouch, internet handbags hurt.
98 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
@Doveoverdover LOL grammer or not no one believes the shit you talk and if there was the slightest chance you were X military now living in a southern England port isn't that where the retired PEDOS slink of to??-tell you what i'll give you a call, whats your mobile number just to clarify things???
99 Think (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
(73) Doveoverdover

Firstly. I must thank you for having the deference of addressing Jacobo’s son by his right title……

Secondly, I’m more than pretty sure that…:
a) He will not be travelling with Mrs. Rios.
b) He has no intention of meeting any honorable English or Kelper MLA’s in London.
c) He will therefore, reluctantly, have to decline HE Mr. W. Hague polite invitation.
100 Anbar (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
oh lookie, Its doveroverdover the PROVEN sock-puppet.

yet again pretending to be British even though he has already been exposed as a liar and a sock-puppet... who makes things up top try to substantiate his claims to be British, but then cocks them up so badly he is caught out in a blatant lie.

By ek the Malvos must be desperate if they are bringing that old fake-account out of the cupboard. ;-0
101 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
So what's Timerman affraid of?? take a look at Spanish speaking forums most Argentines are asking Why not speak with the Islanders???
102 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
@98 Sorry old chap, don't understand your banter.

@99 I think these things are best left to Embassies to arrange.

On another point, did you see this gem from Penguin News?

Finally, a late paper was submitted [to EXCO] requesting that funds previously allocated for observer costs for the forthcoming Referendum be reallocated to cover additional administrative costs. EXCO paper 205/12 had previously requested funding for 'covering the cost of the observers, their travel, accommodation and subsistence'. As planning for the referendum has progressed it has become clear that it would be inappropriate for FIG to fund any aspect of the observer mission, hence the redirection of this funding.

Or could it be there will no Observers, UN or otherwise? Either way, I remain convinced that this political stunt was the work of a bunch of political amateurs.
103 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@99 he invited the meeting with WH halfwit read the story
104 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
@Doveoverdover Your a wanker mate go get a life
105 HansNiesund (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:38 pm Report abuse

The thing is, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it doesn't matter much if it really is a duck or not. The quacking's the thing.

In your case, the quacking is remarkably, consistently, and repeatedly pro-Argentine, even when it professes not to be. I'm sure, for example, that your proposed integration option must be music in the ears of those who like to keep the Malvinistas in a state of fizzing agitation, and indeed of those who enjoy getting into such a state themselves.

Or maybe you really believe that the integration option would shut up Argentina, make us friends in Latin America, and retain our support in the rest of the world?
106 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
@HansNiesund, Perhaps old Doveoverdover was one of those poor Argentines dropped from a military C130 only it didn't gain height and they dropped him on his head on the runway def sounds like he's had a knock to the head.
107 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Timerman turns down meeting with Hague, Malvinas assembly members - Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman turned down an invitation by his British counterpart William Hague to take part in a meeting in London with representatives of the Malvinas government, assuring that “the international community does not accept the involvement of a third party” in the sovereignty issue.
In a letter directly addressed to Hague, Timerman acknowledged that he had been interested in holding a bilateral meeting with him during his next visit to London since “he is responsible for the United Kingdom’s foreign policy,” and regretted that he wouldn’t’ meet “without the supervision of the Malvinas Islands settlers.”

'Puricelli reiterated the “unwavering decision” to claim sovereignty through diplomatic - Defense Minister warned that “Britain is wrong to invest many resources to maintain an old colonial enclave”. It was to lead the inauguration of the monument that summons a plane Mirage M5 “Mara”, which participated in the Falklands War in Rio Gallegos.'
108 Redrow (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
@102 DoD

Possibly, OR, that in order to prevent anyone suggesting that the Observers had been influenced by hospitality they will have to pay their own way. Observers who have nothing to gain either way and who are paying their own way would have more credibility I would have thought. So brave yes from the FIs, but stupid no - unless you are right and there really are none. You'll know soon enough.
109 Vestige (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
95 - Gibraltar. And those islands in S.America...whatsit..yeah, falklands.

enough for today. ill check in for my insults later.
a good happy day to you all.
110 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
@102 political amateurs really, thought they were all to the west of the Falkland Islands, your theorys get worse by the day old man, there will be loads of observers there no doubt a few from Latam countries, and if Britain pays thier air fares so be it, as long as it shuts up arses like you with a resounding statement to the whole world that the Falkland Islands have the right to SELF DETERMINATION and the UN then go on to say that they have it.
111 Think (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:47 pm Report abuse
(102) Mr. McDod

I haven't seen that gem........ until now :-)
Maybe some observers from Gibraltar could be arranged?
Or from Pitcairn.....

“Political Amateurs” covers it quite well, I think.
Glad to see that the FCO is not utilizing their A team.
If there still is an A team....
112 stick up your junta (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
Div over dover and think, coincidence they turn up at the same time? just sayin
113 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
@103 “Hello Pot this is Kettle, over.”

@104 And you're illiterate . Go get an education.

@105 Rid the world of colonialism, that's what I say (and the UN too). Then it really is a simple matter of a territorial dispute between two member States. Nothing Special and Particular about that is there? Unless of course you share the view with my old foe Think that there is something morally wrong with a Northern Hemisphere State having territory in the Southern Hemisphere.

The status quo doesn't shut up Argentina, make us friends or guarantee us the support of “the rest of the world” now does it? Time to grow a pair (as others might be tempted to say) and stop hiding behind the Islanders.

@111 Taken in the last round of cuts, I'm afraid.
114 slattzzz (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
@109 once again dickhead Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands cause us no problems, SPAIN and RGENWEENER however, because you can't get what you want, what you never owned and what you never will own, Got it yet thicko
115 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
@Doveoverdover Belive me where ever you are I could buy and sell you any day of the week, now stop being stupid and give us all a little mobile number just to prove your not an Argentine trol which we all know you are I'm waiting
116 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
@114 Ah AB Slater. Good Evening. Had your rum ration I see. Good, Good.

I wonder if you share with me the understanding that the Referendum is consultative not definitive? As a consultative exercise one has to ask just how, exactly, can it be interpreted as an act of self determination.
117 Redrow (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse

Well that makes more sense. Better for T to look a bell-end in BA for rejecting a meeting that he had asked for than to look a complete tool in London in front of the UK press. still an own-goal either way.
118 Think (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
(113) Mr. McDod

You say...:
“Taken in the last round of cuts, I'm afraid.”

I say...:
Gott sei Dank!
119 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
Guys why should anyone here answer on engage with people like Doveoverdover ? best just to leave the saddo he will soon crawl back under the stone he came from
120 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
@115 It would be a relief if you rang 07595 323703 right now.
121 Steve-33-uk (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Please ignore 'Doveoverdover' AKA Marcos, he gets off on trolling.
122 ChrisR (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
BsAs Herald:
“UK requests meeting with Timerman, Malvinas assembly members”


“Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman turned down an invitation by his British counterpart William Hague to take part in a meeting in London with representatives of the Malvinas government, assuring that “the international community does not accept the involvement of a third party” in the sovereignty issue.”

It's off! So it was all down to the Brits! Who would have thought it? Ha, ha, ha.

AR couldn’t make this gutless twat look anymore of a fool if they tried.

123 Anbar (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
“”“”Div over dover and think, coincidence they turn up at the same time? just sayin“”“”

Is there anybody who posts here regularly that doesnt know DoverOverDover is a fake account anyway? ,,, its pretty indicative of how desperate the Malvos are when they hoik that old turd out.


Timmerman refuses ... big surprise there.

Total clusterfuck on Argentinas part though: they look exceptionally stupid AND just pissed on their own bonfire politically and morally.
124 José Malvinero (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
The thieves, okupas, one of them as English as he was born in England, the “English fisherman” of the Argentine Sea, want to be present to discuss their “rights” in London. Broken face.
125 Think (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse

Wonder if any of the Turnips, denying the existence of Mr. DoveoverDover have called the number provided by him at comment (120)

07595 323703, I “Think” it was.........
126 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Yes, he never answered what a twat
127 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:54 pm Report abuse

How many Argentines have ever been born on Las Malvinas?

none..?? can't be part of Argentina then can it....
128 José Malvinero (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:57 pm Report abuse

There are not, were expelled, boludo.
129 Musky (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
Thanks, for pointing it out.

Timmerman, kfc and their ilk will achieve nothing but could achieve so much if they were good neighbours instead they are shining beacons of stupidity.
130 andy65 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
@José Malvinero, How many were expelled, when was this ,who were they where were they expelled to??
131 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse

According to “think” the only Argentines that we ever expelled from “Las Malvinas” had only been there for 2 months. Are you telling me that when the Argentine militia arrived in November 1832 there were heavily pregnant women aboard??

And these heavily pregnant women gave birth during the 10 week window?

Maybe it was the shock of watching the murder of Mestevier that forced them into labour....or perhaps having to endure watching the gang rape of his wife???

It seems awfully harsh, that your government (or more accurately the government of the United Provinces) would select heavily pregnant women as part of a 50 strong militia to set up a penal colony...

I also don't see any record in your “National Archives” of 1-2 month old infants being part of the group that left in January 1833.

Are you sure these Falkands born infants were expelled??
132 briton (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
every one
all on the next blog,
he aint talking,

we said, he aint talking.
133 HansNiesund (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
> The status quo doesn't shut up Argentina, make us friends or guarantee us the support of “the rest of the world” now does it?

Whats so bad about the status quo? Argentina is no more than a nuisance. After 50 years of trying they have never succeeded in getting sovereignity into a UN resolution, or any limitation on the principle of self-determination. The most serious support they have been able to muster is from their cultural cousins and the usual suspect rogue states, old and new. And there's not enough of that to get any more than a call for dialogue and peaceful negotiation that nobody in their right mind could possibly object to.

Except Hector Timerman, maybe.
134 José Malvinero (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:29 pm Report abuse

Excellent!. Are recognizing, as it is impossible to deny, the facts of the January 3, 1833 that ultimately that's what matters:
England's INVASION of Argentine territory indisputably with Argentine authorities there, with a flag flying at Puerto Soledad (the Argentina of course).
If these events had not occurred, there would be no ugly kelper but only Argentines as in any other part of our country.
Also here's a tiny sample of Argentine Malvinas born long before they began to get the okupas sent from London, of course, then take over our islands. Also those okupas are only 1000, make no mistake, the other 2000 can not even be considered Argentine by Argentine law. Only okupas.
135 Doveoverdover (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
@133 I refer the Honourable Gentleman to his own question and the answer I gave earlier.

@126 Keep trying and have your credit card ready this time.
136 briton (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
considering not all argies are argentine born,
that kinda kills your arument does it not,

the fact is, they freely choose to remain british,
and some of you, freely choose to remain deluded.
137 HansNiesund (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:39 pm Report abuse

Was I too subtle. I thought I was contesting your earlier answer.

One thing I forgot to add was that the only asset Argentina has is the colonial narrative which they have been able to sell to the gullible, the ill-informed and the ill-disposed. The problem with that is it is a depreciating asset, despite your most assiduous efforts at shoring it up.
138 Monkeymagic (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
Of course I recognise the events of January 1833.

A 50 strong militia of mutineers/rapists/murderers who had been there only 10 weeks (none of them islanders as they weren't born there) were removed by the HMS Clio, without a shot being fired.

Now..about the genocide in Patagonia.
139 XAVIERV (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
To the islanders say “Ice Cream Chicken”, because there are .. Jajaja!
140 José Malvinero (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
No, no, silly.
From the issue here is foreign occupying Argentine territory and do not want to return as if not subject to the laws of the country they occupy.
If you want to be “british” pack their bags and go to Britain, that you did not know, is a country left in Europe and not in South America.
That's the only thing they can choose freely.
Nobody here remains deceived and much less deceived by “British” and kelpers, they are the same.
141 screenname (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
@140 José Malvinero: and you are Latin so you might want to consider packing your bags are getting back to southwest Europe.

That's the one thing you should be able to choose freely because you should be subject to the laws of Amerindian culture, unlike the Falklanders who chose to live in a land than didn't have an indiginous population.
142 Monty69 (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 11:36 pm Report abuse
140 José Malvinero I don't think I will. Pack my bags and go anywhere that is.
This isn't Argentine territory and we are not occupiers.

So now what? Do you have a plan, or is repeating the same mindless drivel the best you can come up with?
143 Anbar (#) Jan 31st, 2013 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
“””Wonder if any of the Turnips, denying the existence of Mr. DoveoverDover have called the number provided by him at comment (120)

07595 323703, I “Think” it was.........“”“”

Or they could just google it, see its a massage parlour in Manchester and discover what a useless troll he and you both are...

you really are an idiot.. do you write Timmermans letters and do his appointment diary also?

you're also becoming more and more of a troll and far less entertaining than the old days. What happened? Did somebody else take over the job or did CFK run out of USD$ to pay you all?
144 redpoll (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 12:13 am Report abuse
Massage parlour in Manchester? Wow! And I thought they were only interested in sheep
145 José Malvinero (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 12:37 am Report abuse

The okupas continue their eternal nonsense for lack of a better argument.
Just look at the Argentine human kind, to bring down each and every stupid theories extermination Indians, Creoles and gauchos. Of course, where they were making the rounds the “british” is in South Africa, New Zealand or the U.S. itself, there if that race, the original European human type did not change in the least. Or the despised or killed plainly.
“the Falklanders who chose to live in a land than did have an indiginous population.” We might better say that chose to live in a part of a country, Malvinas Islands, Argentina Republic with the particularity of not recognizing their sovereignty source the dispute almost two hundred year old. Of course, they are British and not aliens pretending to be a third party in the dispute. In this trampita Argentina never fell.
The proof is that if they were aliens, the islands and would be in Argentina power, but it turns out there are the interests and ambitions of England (or Britain or like whore call) with its militarization. Or course!, Do not go thinking, babies, that they care about the False Self-Determination!
146 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 12:46 am Report abuse
@José Malvinero, In a nutshell, I hope you understand that
Tonight The Falkland Islands flag flys beautifully over The governors residence like it as for the past 180 years,you Argentines have cried like girls have fought like girls and still the same old flag flys, now instead of coming here talking shit go and make your own country Argentina a better place,andfor the first time in 31 years go and try and elect a leader and a governmant that is not corupt that will serve for the people of Argentina and not for it's own pockets then perhaps you will be a slightly nicer more at peace type of people but we will not hold our breath.
147 Monty69 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 12:52 am Report abuse
145 José Malvinero
When Argentina invaded the islands in 1982, there were approximately 80 Royal Marines here. And if it wasn't for you and your insane ambition, that is how it would be now.
There is no 'militarization'. There is less military presence here than at any time in the last 30 years. Now there are two companies of infantry and the means to support the Typhoons, which is the bare minimum to dissuade you from doing anything foolish.
You've only got yourselves to blame.
148 BenC30 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 12:57 am Report abuse

If Argentina was a peaceful nation and not a threat to the Falkland Islands, there would be no need for UK military to be stationed there. As the Argentine state is so untrustworthy, bloodthirsty and dangerous then military must be present in the Falkland Islands. Like Monty69 says, You've only got yourselves to blame!
149 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 01:23 am Report abuse
It is a waste of time trying to explain anything to these Argentines because just like The Argentine governmant all they belive is that


IMF, WTO no matter what happens it's always someone elses fault
150 José Malvinero (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 01:45 am Report abuse
Argentina not invaded in 1982 what belongs because nobody invades your own home. Argentina recovered the stolen and was again invaded by Inca-the-bitch.
151 Monty69 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 01:57 am Report abuse
150 José Malvinero
It wasn't your home. A home is somewhere you live. You didn't live here, we did. And you invaded. You can change all the words to fit your twisted view of reality, but it doesn't change what happened and it doesn't undo the suffering it caused.
152 screenname (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 02:05 am Report abuse
@145 José Malvinero: It has already been well established that that when comes to having their people removed by force from the Falklands, the UK beats 'Argentina' by over 60 years (1770 compared to 1833).


The diary of Vernet's wife proves that Vernet knew the Islands were not Argentine when he took his workers there, and his getting papers for his workers from the UK to allow his workers to live on the islands should give even the most stupid person a huge hint as to who Vernet considered to control the islands.

In the days of wind powered ships and basic communication methods the 'Argentine' soldiers and their hangers-on only lasted 2 months before being evicted by the UK. Again, even the most stupid person should be able to grasp that if Vernet had made any sort of claim for 'Argentina' (as he did - at least in the diary - in 1829) from the start of his venture, his stay on the island would have been very, very short or even not have happened.

I'm afraid, if you look at the historical documents, and are capable of even the slightest critical analysis, you will have to conclude that Vernet was at least a migrant worker in British territory and you could even go as far as an immigrant to British territory.

Oh, and just for further notice, if you are going to quote me: don't actually type the opposite to what I wrote in your quote. It makes it really obvious that you are a liar when people have to 2 posts to compare ON THE SAME WEBPAGE.

It also makes you look really stupid.
153 José Malvinero (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 02:46 am Report abuse
I was not talking about Vernet but if that's the point ...
Vernet, a German immigrant to the Rio de la Plata, with Pacheco asked the central government of Buenos Aires land concessions for exploitation in Soledad Island was granted, and also was given the title of Political and Military Commander all the Malvinas Islands in 1829 (from the English for these Argentine beaches, no news, because recognizing the Spanish sovereignty, the very pirates had retired in 1774). They are known all measures adopted after Vernet enforce laws against Argentine sailors who came and fished on the islands (field no one got in until the arrival of Vernet). This means that fully exercised the attributes of his office. For example, the illegal fishing boats catch Americans involved, as I remember, the only time that Argentina severed diplomatic relations with the U.S.
After Vernet preferred if this or any other sovereignty in the islands, is absolutely irrelevant. An individual can not decide the sovereignty of a part of the national territory and, therefore, if it existed, has no value. Could be Vernet, Juan or Pedro would be the same.
154 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 02:48 am Report abuse
@José Malvinero How stupid are you?? you CAN NOT give something up that you never had in the first place
155 José Malvinero (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 03:09 am Report abuse

Are you blind, stupid, asshole or what?
Did not you read my previous post on the number 153?
The government of Buenos Aires could not take the actions you took in the Malvinas if it not belonged. But as you are not going to understand because instead of a human brain you have a machine programmed to one thing and not reason, you can go to the same shit. Chau okupa!
156 redpoll (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 03:20 am Report abuse
Oyez, oyez!!
New set of mythical islands Las MAVINAS which are Argentinas. Immediate invasion called for by the mythical Argentine navy , flagship the upside down Santisima Trinidad
157 screenname (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 03:39 am Report abuse
153 José Malvinero:

'An individual can not decide the sovereignty of a part of the national territory'

@153 José Malvinero: Glad you agree. Then CFK and her hangers-on were full of shit at the UN C24 when they claimed Argentina's claim to the Falklands was from 1829.

Already British territory. The UK claim did not expire in 1774, just as the Spanish claim MAY not have expired in 1811 when they evacuated to Montevideo (although some say it reverted to France at this point).

Either way Spain only gave up its claim in 1836, so you have been caught writing lies again.

@155: Argentina (in whatever form) has proven throughout its history that it will do and say whatever it likes, no matter what the reality is.

With this in mind your statement, “The government of Buenos Aires could not take the actions you took in the Malvinas if it not belonged” can be viewed as complete drivel.

Well done. Your help in pulling apart the Argentine Malvinas myth is really appreciated.
158 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 06:23 am Report abuse

On one hand you say that you cannot be an islander if you are not born there.
Then you agree that no Argentine has ever been born there
So there has never been an Argentine Islander...

You then say, well there would have been if it weren't for Jan 3rd 1833, when the 50 murderers, rapists and mutineers, who'd only been there 2 months were removed by the crew of HMS Clio.

In the grand scheme of the Americas, and the removal of indigenous people, by both Northern and Southern's not really up there is it?

2 months...50 people...already murdered and raped....most of them European...not a shot fired.

Sorry mucker....don't feel too bad about that one.

Perhaps the 900 deaths on your conscience in 1982 should weigh more heavily.
159 Think (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 07:31 am Report abuse
(120) Mr. McDod

“Samantha’s; The gentlemen’s retreat”….
What a proper place for a retired gentleman…

No wonder your secretaries didn’t answer poster (126), ”Mr andy65” call…
He ain’t no gentleman ;-)
160 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 07:37 am Report abuse
“.............according to Argentina’s interpretation of historical facts”

That is a very polite way of saying “Ignoring the truth and attempting to re-write history in your favour” isn't it?
161 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
if they are yours,
then why dont you go and get them,

go on, you know you want to .lol.
162 Vestige (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
114 - oh im sorry i wasn't listening
163 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
@159 At last, something we can agree on. Re-reading his effort, I do believe he pressed Submit Comment before completing his sentence with “ ..... I was for thinking he would give me his actual phone number and ending up ringing a brothel”.
164 malen (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
150 You have to understand them......they think they are the mapuches of SAm and they have Margaret Thatcher and Queen Elizabeth as liberators.......jajajaaj
They dont know what to invent poor angelitos.....
165 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
@José Malvinero My dear man the only people brainwashed and manipulated are Argentines from a very early age
166 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
Jealousy will get you nowhere.
167 julia (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
You need to meet UK PM David Ca-Moron and ask him why he insists in maintaining a diplomatic relation with this SA country you dislike so much!
You see? There is a solution, but... mmmmm...I believe the britons likes the SA country very much....
168 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@164 Malden
Listen mate, I served in Queen Betty's Flying Circus for 14 years and I can categorically tell you that when we
169 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
170 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
Damn I hate that bloody tablet, back on the laptop. Now where was I before I was so rudely interupted.

Ah yes, we never used Liberators in the South Atlantic, or Lancasters, the odd Victor, Vulcan or two, but deffinately no Liberators.
171 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
In the meantime we are approaching March at 24h/d and the much anticipated, internationally supervised and recognised referendum.

Good tactic.
Good question.
Good result.
Good support from the UK.

It would seem that the very vast majority of people support us. Try the spin Commander but you'll get nowhere. The letters page in P News was good today wasn't it.

Chuckle chuckle.
172 julio (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
what the falk-slum-islanders are worry about?
they have the islands in their british assholes ..
173 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
julio and her regurgitated diarrhoea,
174 redpoll (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
Dont upset sussie in all her guises.
Shes good comic relief on these threads.
She changes her name as often as her knickers. On second thoughts given her chosen profession she probabably dispenses with that item of underwear.
And her heart belongs to daddy. Cant remember if he was Patagonian or Peruvian. The beauty of of it is she doesnt read my posts so cant reply. Away with you Sussie. The night is young. Plenty of time for two or more tricks
175 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
poor suzy,
the best comidian this CFK has produced
176 Musky (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
Julio must be 17 years old max to be so purile.
177 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:53 pm Report abuse

You know how you can recognise an Argentine asshole?

Simple, it's got a British boot in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
178 Vestige (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:10 am Report abuse
or an American one. a British tongue in it.
179 reality check (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:23 am Report abuse
Typical RG, stealing someone elses joke!

Besides, everyone knows, you would never get a British tongue up a yank presidents arse, not unless you climbed over an Argentines shoulder.

Thank you for supporting our sacred claim to the Malvinas Barac, lick, lick, suck, suck. Ho! what lovely buttox you have Mr President. Lick, lick, suck, suck. Phut, phut, phut, phut. Damn pubes!

Mr President, the UK foriegn minister is outside.

Not yet man!, can't you see I have not finished taking a crap.

Damn somethings are sacred. like a mans toilet, and his ass wiper!
180 Vestige (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:53 am Report abuse
stay classy.
181 reality check (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 02:09 am Report abuse
182 juliano_88 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 02:27 am Report abuse
Keep the Falk-Slum-Lands in british assholes! uuuuuujajaja!
183 reality check (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 02:30 am Report abuse
Damn, glad one of them is on our side!
184 agent999 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:16 am Report abuse

hi sussie timerman
185 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:09 am Report abuse
@171 Kind of you to ask. Sadly, I don't subscribe. On the other hand, I will take the opportunity to highlight that the wider public (after all we are the audience for this stunt) has still to learn just who it is that is recognising and supervising this consultative Referendum of yours. The FCO doesn't count (how droll I am).

Further, whilst I normally don't double post, you may not have seen this cracker from Exco.

Finally, a late paper was submitted requesting that funds previously allocated for observer costs for the forthcoming Referendum be reallocated to cover additional administrative costs. EXCO paper 205/12 had previously requested funding for 'covering the cost of the observers, their travel, accommodation and subsistence'. As planning for the referendum has progressed it has become clear that it would be inappropriate for FIG to fund any aspect of the observer mission, hence the redirection of this funding.

With just over a month to go it finally dawned on someone that paying the expenses of observers was inappropriate. Amateurs..
186 reality check (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
That was very rude of me with the toilet humour, please allow me to apologise.

I am very sorry Mr President.
187 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:41 am Report abuse
.....and for not thanking me for letting you finish your public ablutions?
188 Think (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:33 am Report abuse
(171) Joe Bloggs

Who is precisely ”Supervising” that Consultative Referendum of yours?

No information whatsoever for us, the wider public (“after all, we are the audience for this stunt” :-) about who those ”International Independent Observers” are.

No reservations in any Malvinas homestay, hostel, hotel, lodge, motel, remote house or settlement for any ”International Independent Observers”……

Neither any reservations on LAN for any ”International Independent Observers”……

The FCO doesn't count, you know……… (How droll we are).
189 ChrisR (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 03:06 pm Report abuse
188 Think aka The Turnip In Chief

Realising how difficult it is for you not to mislead, I 'think' I need to suggest a correction to the final part of your final sentence:

(How troll we are)

There! Much more truthful and most certainly more accurate.
190 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
@189 Let me take time out of my busy evening to explain. It's a play on the word “count”, because that's what one does with a Referendum; one counts votes. However, as any representative of any country or territory with HM the Queen as Head of State could hardly be described as independent, the FCO can't supervise it. It wouldn't count i.e. it wouldn't be correct. Very subtle, understated and mildly humourous, as is poaching it from another poster and layering it with an ironic touch of one's own.

Were one a troll hunter of any merit one would point to the following inflammatory, extraneous, and off-topic comment as being the real work of a Troll and a not at all droll one at that:

171 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:59 pm Report abuse

In the meantime we are approaching March at 24h/d and the much anticipated, internationally supervised and recognised referendum.

Good tactic.
Good question.
Good result.
Good support from the UK.

It would seem that the very vast majority of people support us. Try the spin Commander but you'll get nowhere. The letters page in P News was good today wasn't it.

Chuckle chuckle.

Now having got that clear, why not review your own post and see if it identifies you as JB-like “more Troll than droll” too?
191 brucey-babe (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
It seems strange that Jacoba Timerman , (Hector Timerman`s father ) was tortured and imprisoned in Argentina for his support for human rights, a quality his son seems to be lacking. Jacoba timerman born in Ukraine emigrated to Argentina 1928. H.T. is a 1st. born Argentinian trying to move 8th. & 9th. generation Falkland Islanders. The man`s an idiot !
192 juliana_68 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
@184 Agent Yensere-ly Skare Isolde aka ElaineB aka Rosario
Remember SussieUS don't like jews in the US or in Argentina.
SussieUS is a latin sudamerican woman!
193 Think (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
(190) Mr. McDod

It wasn't poaching......
It was recycling.....
194 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
@193 Sr. Think.

Fair enough.

Before I call it a night I recommend the full report to you. The number of Islanders just went up but the police are ready for them. Oh, good news for our shares at last.
195 Think (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
(194) Mr. McDod

A reduction of Stanley Common annual grazing fees!
A bloody reduction of Stanley Common bloody annual grazing fees!

Favoritism, nepotism, cronyism, sheer fraud, corruption and dishonesty it is!

A true dictatorship, I say!

196 redpoll (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 12:20 am Report abuse
Think I think you should be supporting Sussie wholeheartedly as she shares your views. Why are you not?
197 celeste (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:04 am Report abuse
@196 redpiss!
none of your business!
198 agent999 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:27 am Report abuse
@197 celeste.

Hi sussie timerman, all these different names and still - quedar como una gilipollas.
199 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:47 am Report abuse
@195 It's JB and his parvenu cronies' way of sharing their good fortune with those Islanders who have been there from birth and are still there. He wants them to vote YES, and this is just a bit of fiscal encouragement to believe that things can only get better by staying the way they are.
200 agent999 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:00 am Report abuse
@195 and @199 the pantomime horse
201 Think (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:53 am Report abuse
(199) Mr. McDod

You know the old Kelper joke.......:

- How many Kelpers does it take to change a spent light bulb?
- Change ?!?............... Who needs change !?!
202 Pete Bog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:48 am Report abuse
I think it is hilarious when Argentines deduce that the UN resolutions requesting the UK and Argentina talk imply that the UN charter suddenly does not exist.

People in the foreign office seem to be scared of these resolutions but they quite clearly state that the Islanders interests are taken into account.

Therefore, Hague is 100% correct to invite MLA's along to view their interests as the indigenous population.

Hague is also complying with the UN Charter, of which all the points even territorial integrity, if this is examined properly, support the Falkland Islands.

Therefore Timerman's rejection of the chance to talk is against his favoured resolution which was made null and void by 1982 and resolution 502.

Hopefully by now, the sleepy MLA's will have acquainted themselves with the history of the islands from 1765-1820 and thereon which seem with careful analysis from many of the informed posters on here, to refute Argentinas claims.

I realise the claims are farcical but like some posters here, I think the MLAs (and the UK Foreign Office) should waste no opportunity to counter the Argentines when they misquote history, especially relating to 1833.

Full credit though to the MLAs who are getting out in the world to get their viewpoint across in the subtle way they are expert in.
203 Agent999999999999999999 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:58 pm
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204 reality check (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
Classy, how many names does that make now? Lost count!
205 agent999 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
@ 203 sussie timerman

another name, another joke
206 Pete Bog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
You have not the slightest idea that if a Brit in the Falklands slags the bens off, they do not touch their toes but give the Brit a piece of their mind.
But don't take my word for it why not try yourself? Go to the islands posing as a pom and try to get the better of a Benny on their home turf.
Good luck, hope you leave MPA in one piece.......
207 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
@Panto Horse

Yes, I think it's very funny when Think and DameDover speak to himself !!
208 Claudina (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:08 am Report abuse
@ 205 AgentSkare
You should be posting under the screen name of “Zhivago”...
The brits are CLOWNS!
209 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:21 am Report abuse
@208 Hows tricks Sussie? Not to good from the time you spend on this threads ?
210 row82 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:45 pm Report abuse
Please support this page - Falklands Forever British - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls -
211 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.

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