Friday, February 1st 2013 - 20:13 UTC

Falklands regret Timerman attitude and calls on Argentina “to respect our rights”

The Falkland Islands government said on Friday it deeply regrets that Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman refused to meet with lawmakers from the Islands and Foreign Secretary William Hague, next week when he travels to London.

Timerman tells Hague he is interested in ‘bilateral talks’ and “certainly not supervised by Malvinas settlers”.

“Sadly this refusal comes as no surprise to us, as this is not the first time our attempts at dialogue have been ignored” said a release from the Falklands’ legislative assembly, adding that “it appears the Argentine government is afraid to hear from the Falkland Islanders themselves”.

“All we ask is that our rights be respected and that we be left in peace to choose our own future and to develop our country for our children and generations to come”, adds the release in direct reference to the Falklands referendum next March which has strongly disturbed the government of President Cristina Fernandez.

Earlier this week the Argentine embassy in London announced that Foreign Minister Timerman would be travelling to London for a two-day event related to the Malvinas Islands, involving “18 European personalities” that sponsor a resumption of discussions on the Falklands long standing sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK.

Taking advantage of the trip, Minister Timerman requested an interview with Foreign Secretary Hague who said he was looking forward to the meeting but also cautioned that if Falklands’ issues were to be addressed, representatives from the Islands elected government would have to be present.

Anyhow and before hand Hague also stated that there would be no Falklands’ sovereignty discussions.

The Argentine government rejected the presence of Falklands’ representatives in the meeting and Timerman regretted the whole situation since he was interested in ‘bilateral talks’ and “certainly not supervised by Malvinas settlers”.

Likewise in a letter addressed to Hague and made public, Timerman tells Hague “it is not necessary for you to keep attempting to make appointments during my coming visit to London, leave that for our very efficient embassy”.

In its Friday reply to the exchange between Timerman and Hague, the Falklands government recalls that in June 2012 at the United Nations in New York President Cristina Fernandez was offered a letter asking her to meet with Assembly Members “to hear their views and to discuss matters of common interest. Regrettably, she refused to accept it”.

The letter was subsequently delivered to the Argentine Government “however we have never received a response”.

The Falklands’ government reiterates that the purpose of the meetings was/is to address various matters of mutual interest that could be discussed, for example the conservation of fish stocks in the waters of the South West Atlantic.

Furthermore “the Falklands Government’s desire for normal neighbourly relations is nothing new but this most recent refusal of the Argentine Government to recognise our people or our rights once again demonstrates how one sided this desire is”.

The government then insists that “we were looking forward to a full and frank exchange of views, and would have taken the opportunity to give Mr Timerman some very direct messages on the unacceptability of Argentina’s actions against the Falkland Islands in recent years. All we ask is that our rights be respected and that we be left in peace to choose our own future and to develop our country for our children and generations to come. It appears that the Government of Argentina is afraid to hear this from the Falkland Islanders themselves”.

The full release follows:

Argentine Foreign Secretary refuses to meet with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague and Falklands Assembly Members

The Falkland Islands Government deeply regrets that the Argentine Foreign Secretary Hector Timerman yesterday refused the opportunity to meet with the United Kingdom Foreign Secretary and Members of the Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly in London next week.

Sadly this refusal comes as no surprise to us, as this is not the first time our attempts at dialogue have been ignored.

In June 2012 at the United Nations in New York President Fernandez de Kirchner was offered a letter asking her to meet with Assembly Members to hear their views and to discuss matters of common interest. Regrettably, she refused to accept it. The letter was subsequently delivered to the Argentine Government, however we have never received a response.

There are various matters of mutual interest that could be discussed, for example the conservation of fish stocks in the waters of the South West Atlantic. The Falkland Islands Government’s desire for normal neighbourly relations is nothing new but this most recent refusal of the Argentine Government to recognise our people or our rights once again demonstrates how one sided this desire is.

We were looking forward to a full and frank exchange of views, and would have taken the opportunity to give Mr Timerman some very direct messages on the unacceptability of Argentina’s actions against the Falkland Islands in recent years. All we ask is that our rights be respected and that we be left in peace to choose our own future and to develop our country for our children and generations to come. It appears that the Government of Argentina is afraid to hear this from the Falkland Islanders themselves.

Singed by The Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands.

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1 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

The gift that keeps on giving...
2 jeffski (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon will surly be observing this Argentine childish petulant behaviour on the worlds diplomatic stage, After all Argentina have stated in the past that they only wish to talk, give peace a chance just talk. Haha what amateur fools they really are. The whole world is laughing at these fools.
3 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
Timerman was born in Argentina but his father only emigrated to Argentina in 1928. Knowing this he calls Falkland Islanders whose families have lived on the islands since the 1850s trespassing colonialists? How does that work?
4 julio (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:34 pm
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5 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
In some of the Spanish speaking forums it's clear even Argentines see this man as a fool
6 Joe Bloggs (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
We regret it do we? LOL! Of course we do.

For the benefit of the international audience:
We deeply regret that the Argentine Minister was not able to get the appointment.

In reality:
More good news. Another fine trap the silly bungling fool has walked into. Ha ha!

Not long until March and the internationally supervised and recognised referendum.

I vote:
YES!

Home tomorrow. Can't wait to see Mrs Bloggs.
7 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
Julio
Yeah! and they are going to have them for another 189 years and longer, for nothing, shame, live with it!
8 Phil H (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Hulio.. A diplomatic trap was set and Tinpot man walked right into it. How silly. A lightweight on the international stage. Hague would have torn him to shreds- jajajajaj
9 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
4-Julio

Thank you for your input, it is highly literate and valuable.

However, it is important to get facts correct on these forums.

The current islanders have had the Falklands for 180 years, it is possible that there is a bloodline back to the Vernet community which could make it possible for 184 years.

Compare that with the only time Argentina has had the islands...74 days in 1982 and the only time the United Provinces of River Plate had the islands around 60 days in 1832.

So something like 62000 days versus 130....most of the 62000 have been peaceful, almost none of the 130 were.

And as a reward for their 62000 days, the islanders will shortly become an oil rich state...80,000 barrels per day by 2019....who knows by 2029.....

Hardly for nothing Julio....hahahahahahaha
10 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
@2 jeffski

The whole sovereignty saga is partly down to the UN, sending mixed messages out. Its obvious to anyone that if an implanted population like Argentina has the right to self-determination then so do the Falkland Islanders. Ban Ki-moon knows this but has to be careful what he says and how he says it.
11 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
Oh my god! All that lovely oil!!!!
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12 Frank (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
I read somewhere that Titman may be calling off his visit to meet with '18 European personalities' so it is a win win. Lots of global coverage about him refusing to meet with the Islanders...all of which makes him look like a petulant prat so a win win win......
13 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
No doubt they will be sat in B.A right now plotting another fiasco
14 saphira (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Oh dear they have more problems looming
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-01/imf-censures-argentina-for-not-sharing-accurate-economy-data.html
15 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
This will never stop,
until someone stops it,

Mr tin man should be banned from the UK ,

But sadly we have a government that puts the likes of Africa before the British people,

The more CFK goes on, the more it will continue,
As long as we are perceived as weak, her regurgitated diarrhoea, will continue
To stink out democracy,
..
16 julio (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
@15 briton
the UK have the choice to stop the diplomatic relations with the country you dislike so much. Call UK PM David Ca-Moron, the sooner the better!
17 GFace (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
@8, oh puleeeeze, Phil :-) Timerman didn't step into a trap, he stated openly that he was planning to walk into a bear cave with his little planned passive agressive press stunt. Lucky for him it was only a metaphorical one! Real bears don't like it when are within 100 feet of their cubs, let alone $#@& with them. In the gentle world of UK diplomacy, the bear just asks you to sit with her cubs for a bit and listen to what they have to say and you can then leave with your limbs still attached your body. From what I've seen watching Animal Planet, I'd say he got a pretty darned good deal there.
18 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
we agree,
we should cut of all connection from argentina .
19 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
@12 Frank
Tinman will cancel his London trip because, the MEP's he is meeting will only ask for sovereignty talks between the Argentina and the UK.
So how hypocritical would he look at the press conference asking for talks, when he has just turned down talks with William Hague.
He would look an even bigger idiot than he does now.
20 MrFlagpole (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
I wonder what will be seized when he comes.

Be coming in rented underwear.
21 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
No other country would put up with this childish behaviour,
So why do we have to,

To be fair to CFK ,
Im glad she is not clever enough to take the British to the ECHR
To claim we are abusing Argentina human rights,

And by not letting them steal them, we are in fact
Stopping CFK from taking her rightful place as Queen of the Argentina Empire,

Please argie bloggers, don’t inform her,
Or we will be in real trouble.
xcxcxc

.
22 XAVIERV (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
The good news is that after March 11 will be no more no air contact with the mainland. Tell Cameron to rush into the construction of the airport in the African island, and from there only God knows where it will go ..
23 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
wheres BK ,
his friend was speaking.
George Galloway blast Hilary Clintons US concerns over UK defense budget cuts
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS4-KJw-wRg
Justa thought ??
24 ElaineB (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
Hague is playing the game masterfully. We don't want to do anything that gives the Argentines the opportunity to play the victim. Every action they take makes them look aggressive, unreasonable and backward.

Loving the Falkland Islands statement working in that Timerman is AFRAID and the Argentine government DISTURBED. What fun!
25 José Malvinero (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
Much laughter that give these hypocrites okupas.

“All we ask is that our rights be respected and that we be left in peace to choose our own future and to develop our country for our children and generations to come”.

So 100% British that when they refers not to the British Isles but to the Malvinas Argentinas, say “our country”. They think the people are fool (as stupid as them).

“There are various matters of mutual interest that could be discussed, for example the conservation of fish stocks in the waters of the South West Atlantic.”

Broken Faces! They believe that we will discuss fisheries issues with thieves on the Argentine Sea. Why not we discuss fisheries issues and why oil in the North Sea?

“We were looking forward to a full and frank exchange of views”.

Also on sovereignty? Because that's all that matters. Of course to discuss with London.
These squatters emboldened because they do have to back Britain and operated by agents sent especially to the Islands.
Kelpers are only their pimps.
26 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
What ex, you saying that Chile is cutting the flights to the islands, do not think so, unless you have some conclusive proof to show otherwise?
27 Clyde15 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
#22
Do the Falklands have a direct air link with Argentina ?
I thought it came via Chile but I stand to be corrected.
I believe the Falklands managed to survive before the advent of air travel. Are you the minister for ALL S.A countries with the power to bring this to pass ?
28 redpoll (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
@20 Flagpole Rented underwear? Just as well as I THINK Mr Hague just set fire to Mr Tinderboxes trousers
29 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Jose

Of course you are correct. They should not be having negotiations with the argentines about South Atlantic fish stocks.

Ey should be negotiating with the Patagonians, not the Argentine thieves who stole the Patagonian land in a blatant example of 19th century colonialism.

I would suggest that next time the rightful, democratic and ONLY owners of the Falkands Islands want to discuss South Atlantic issues they should seek out Patagonian Amerinians..not the thieves, pirates and genocidal colonialists from Buenos Aires (Madrid)!!
30 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@Clyde15 There are 6 flights a month from the UK to the Falkland Islands, via Ascension Island. From South America, Lan Chile flies once a week from Santiago de Chile via Punta Arenas (in Chile) to Stanley. This Lan Chile flight has a monthly stop-off, in both directions, in the Argentine town of Rio Gallegos. Passengers can board here.
31 briton (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
22 XAVIERV
matters not old chap,
unless argentina now controls chile,

you dream to much .
32 XAVIERV (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
Finally did something good Timerman ('ve always been a good for nothing). This time, given in the key and fell into the trap that you tended. Because accepting the presence of the illegal entity and would give implicit recognition to their colonial government .. Sorry islanders, the next will be .. But today, to mourn the cross more .. ja
33 Orbit (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
@25 your ignorance is embarrassing, as is your government. Look behind you, there is no-one with any credibility to back you up or do anything of any significance that achieves your wishes. You are pissing into the wind.
34 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
@ XAVIERV you should be concerened with more bad news for Argentina that shows you as thieves and liars

www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-01/imf-censures-argentina-for-not-sharing-accurate-economy-data.html

Now who would want to live with these types of creeps your reputations going south daily my friend = DOWN THE PLUG HOLE
35 XAVIERV (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
We do not control the decisions of Chile, but if we control our airspace and will not go there .. It will not air contact, at least we can not use our airspace .. be warned ..
36 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
@XAVIERV I think you will find there are international laws that stop a country trying to strangle another countrys/peoples survival. Chile although supporting your claim have made it clear they will not be bullied by Argentina on what and who they trade with and WILL NOT be breaking any international laws I believe Uraguy take a similar stance.
37 ElaineB (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
@34 Yes, the IMF have taken the first step towards expelling Argentina. At least they will be the first at something; the first country to be expelled.

Timerman has admitted he knew the Falkland Islanders would be present at the meeting for 20 days but has only just decided to make a fuss about it. I suspect they saved it to bury bad news. Peso at 8/1, power cuts, more wage protests etc.
38 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
Oh, dear we are shaking in our boots! The losers have threatened us, what, you going to send your fleet to sea. Be careful to avoid that obstruction blocking the end of the pier! What's it called? Oh yeah, an Argentine destroyer! Not going to laugh my f...cking arse off any more. It's starting to hurt!!!!!!!
39 XAVIERV (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
@ 36
So the locks are banned? They give me laugh! What makes USA to Cuba? Or China with Taiwan? As you call that? Chile can not do or say anything, will never Chileans in defense of you and you know why? Because I have enough problems on the border with Bolivia and Peru, will not open another front in hostilities with Argentina .. Because you think Piñeira not agree to Cameron's plea to allow the flag illegal? I tell you, will be left without flights sooner than later .. If you think that will not happen, I say sit and wait.
40 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:19 pm Report abuse
@ElaineB Difficult but I still think the IMF could have gone or should have gone further
41 Tobers (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
Argentina is a failed state. Its not working. What a mess.
42 ElaineB (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
@39 Empty threats. Chile already regard Argentines as hostile and make soothing noises at your looney, bonkers, drugged-up President.

CFKC begged on her knees for Pinera to cancel the LAN flight to the Falklands over a year ago. In fact she proclaimed there would be a statement about it - we are still waiting. I am certain Pinera made the kind of platitudes you make to a seriously crazy person when they are in close proximity but he knows Argentina is going tits up, Mercosur is pointless and he need only delay long enough and CFKC will be gone.

I say sit and wait, indeed.
43 Redrow (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Censure today, expulsion in September. 8 Months of standing on the trapdoor with the noose in place. The great irony is that if they just wound their neck in, dealt responsibly with the IMF (as Britain as had to do in the past) and come up with a sensible plan then everyone would respect them for it. Instead they come up with this London visit shocker. Now in March at the very point where they need some international credibility their stock will be at an all time low.
44 XAVIERV (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
@42
You talk trash, so far Argentina never considered canceling the flight to the islands. If veterans have requested but no one else so far. The refusal to accept flights from Buenos Aires to the islands, is the perfect excuse for us to waive the flight from chile .. And you know what? .. What we do .. Again .. Only a matter of time .. Tic .. Tac .. Tic .. Tac ..
45 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
@25 José Malvinero

Why do you hate the Falkland Islanders?
What have they ever done wrong?
46 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
@XAVIERV I ask you to look at the language of The Chilean President on his last 2 trips to London in the past 2 years you might be a little surprised

en.mercopress.com/2010/10/18/chile-and-britain-s-friendship-has-deep-historical-roots-says-president-pinera

www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-secretary-met-sebastian-pinera-president-of-chile-and-his-foreign-minister-alfredo-moreno

I guess you could say we have a more grown up kind of relationship with our Chilean friends
47 Redrow (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
@44 Xav

you mean tick tock
tic tacs are breath fresheners
48 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
'IMF hits Argentina with first-ever censure of a country - The International Monetary Fund has censured Argentina for failing to supply accurate economic data, the first time the global crisis lender has taken such an action against a member.'

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9843640/IMF-hits-Argentina-with-first-ever-censure-of-a-country.html
49 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
@39 New St Helena airfield makes landing in South America irrelavent. Cruise ships rerouted to Falklands. Construction of Falklands port for oil industry. The refusal to talk is costing the Argentine dear. The longer Argentine flounces off the more they alienate the islanders and Britain, and the less chance they have in sharing the development of the South Atlantic. Foot in mouth comes to mind.
50 andy65 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
@Steve-33-uk Another First in all acounts something to be proud of,well not in this case

ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM-AGAIN
51 Pugol-H (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
@25 José Malvinero
Correct, much laughter and getting louder. The Brits can be very cruel sometimes.

But the Islanders are about to be filthy rich, and you lot are dirt poor and getting poorer by the day, and you call them stupid.

And what about our just and right full share of the Vaca muerta shale oil deposits then, you owe us that in compensation.

@32 XAVIERV
TinPotMan has never done anything BUT good for the Falklands cause. Best of all his crowning glory is yet to come, watch this space.

Oh and talking of S. American (potential) conflicts, just remember where Chile (and others down there) buy much of their military equipment, well the stuff that works anyway.
52 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
'“Clarín became English Foreign Office spokesman” said Timerman - Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman regretted that Clarín, “nothing more than oppose the national government has become English Foreign Office spokesman” when “historically had a pro Argentina in the Falklands...”'

www.radiofmq.com/detalle.php?articulo=Clar%C3%ADn%20se%20convirti%C3%B3%20en%20vocero%20del%20Foreign%20Office%20ingl%C3%A9s,%20asegur%C3%B3%20Timerman&tipo=5&documento=40946&sistema=fmq
53 Shed-time (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
Ah, here it is again! This story is just fantastic insofar as the level of diplomatic fail is quite incomparable.

Add to this his selling out of the Argentine Jewry and the IMF Censure and it makes you just utterly gob-smacked that they're still whinging about the Falklands at all.

Clearly the IMF isn't a paper tiger then.
54 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
Hate to say I told you so. the IMF Censures Argentina and gives them until September, blah, blah blah. February 2014 and on to September 2014.
The IMF will not do shit, ferk, if I know it. what's the chance that Argentina knows it.
Time for the UK to withold paymets. What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.
Yeal, as if! pissed off with this never ending circle of one rule for one and anothet rule for another!
55 Monty69 (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
39 XAVIERV

You tried to ban the flight quite recently and the Chileans told you to get lost. I can't see what has changed this time around.

If this is the plan, then why are you not threatening it openly now, before the referendum? 'Vote 'no' or we'll cut off your flight'. I don't think it would win many votes but it's worth a try, surely. It's a bit late after the referendum, as a sort of punishment. What would that achieve?

Anyway, you go for it. We'll have a flight in place to Miami before the end of the month. What do you think we've been saving all that oil money for?
56 Shed-time (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
@54 from what yankeeboy suggests, a censure is enough to remove their access to dollars. This pretty much leaves them in a dreadful position.

I can see the IMF dragging it out, but I can see the eventual end is clearly expelling them. It should be the same thing in the G20 to be fair.
57 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
X
You want to make your mind up, one second your saying come the Referendum no flights, the nezt your saying, who said that. Well what is it?
Shed Time.
Yankeeboy seems to know is stuff about economics, but I have to say, the IMF is in no way consistent in it's dealings with it's members. Frankly, they seem to be afraid of the consequences of their decisions. In my experience, that's not good for any organisation.
58 malen (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
55 with the money of oil you would be able to avoid all kind of usage of arg air space and get better roots to Miami or Europe.....excellent.....SAM for SAM
59 reality check (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
Malem

Whoos! whoos!

Look it up! your using a computor!
60 Diddles (#) Feb 01st, 2013 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
Well played William Hague. Well played Falkland Islands Legislative Council. You snookered Timmerman with that diplomatic play....how can Argentina talk about wanting discusssions any more.....complete fools.

Argentina is a laughing stock these days....as many have said before, its government has become the gift that keeps giving....a complete joke. As for Timmerman, as an implanted Argentinian, who are you to lecture the Falklanders on their rights to self determination. As for the brainless Argentine Malvinista Trolls that pop up on this website, one can safely assume most, if not all your forebears were migrants too.....so go back and sit and your corner and suck your thums, you foolish hypocrits.
61 Idlehands (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:01 am Report abuse
Steve's link fixed:

tinyurl.com/abwybqg

can be translated here:

translate.google.com/

Worth a read
62 andy65 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:04 am Report abuse
LOL so now CLARIN are to blame

You really could not make this shit up
63 Monty69 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:06 am Report abuse
58 malen

'SAM for SAM'

What does that mean? I mean what does it really mean? What makes someone South American? What makes a place South America? I thought we were an integral part of your territory so it can't be to do with geography.
I know, it must be to do with race. We are just too European. No, that can't be it, you're nearly all European too.

I know- it must be because we don't want to be Argentines. Well you'd best take a long hard look at yourself and wonder why that might be.

Why don't you just engage your brain for once before spouting your revolting hate- filled nonsense and think about what it means. And what it says about you.
64 Tobers (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
from the photos in the title00

Hague = John McClane
Timmerman = Beaker
65 reality check (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
“Colonial Law” and “Nuclear Weapons” jesus christ, how the hell can you even think of holding discussions with the inmates of an insane assylum?
66 andy65 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
Views from Argentines on Yahoo

1)The apparent lack of diplomatic training this “foreign minister” adds his usual tough making statements characterized by ignorance, denial or professional childishness. Ignores the essence of integration of 16 nations to precisely defined as COMMON WEALTH?. It seems that lives in his own world, where he is the chap

2)The “40 decisions” to which Foreign Minister Timerman said Argentina exctamente you must negotiate and UK considering rights (through Resolution 1514/60 which directly prescribes autodetrminación and the Charter of the United Nations) and interest of the inhabitants of the Islands. The first and most important decision in this regard was the 2065 in 1965 and then in Argentina but did not move from the controversial hypothesis that respect the interests not listen to the desires, much less consider them. This theory bases sat Argentina between 1965-1982 at the height of fascism ruling also understood that a military elite “military friendly” could interpret the interests of Argentines without listening and respect their wishes ... It's amazing how firmly holding this government that theory absurd. In modern international law, the only way to preserve the interests of a population is listening to it and interpret and to execute his wishes in the most clear and honest as possible

3)Timerman could use some kinds of international policy to NOT make us look like ignorant to all Argentines. OTHER INTERNATIONAL AND VAN newsprint ....

4)you son of James you think a pi ay ........ j ........ not even provide for dildo. Once properly speaking, you're a chancellor, not a revised aircraft. How ridiculous you did and as always says the ridiculous is not returned, with comments like those of you. only seem conventilleros, imagine how worried they are the English for your sentences, put on to work, very minor always yours and think you paid a salary for the passes you talking to the tenement, a chancellor is nothing!! Berreta!
67 reality check (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:48 am Report abuse
Like people on here have always been saying. somewhere out there are the real Argentinians.
68 Pirate Love (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:51 am Report abuse
Lets face it argentina is a joke politically, militarily, financially, domestically, economically and more importantly internationally and come to think about it they have always been thanks to the amateur megalomaniac governments they insist on electing, they have bitten off more than they can chew with no way out, this will be reliably entertaining with no happy endings for crustina and her nazi regime.

SELF-DETERMINATION....The UNs happy ending! :)
69 Idlehands (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:56 am Report abuse
A point of note - the Alicia Castro twitter account has been suspended - maybe it wasn't her. I'd expect the Timmerman account to go down too as it is much the same.
70 reality check (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:08 am Report abuse
Or, maybe in keeping with their national trait, the Embassy as not paid there electricity bill and they have been cut off. Probably Enpower. Bastards!

Quick run round to my Grans. she's got a bob for the meter.

Oh, if only!!!!
71 Frank (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:13 am Report abuse
@61 from the translation “at this time, due to imperial and colonialist policy of Great Britain, is the most militarized zone in the world, there is one soldier for every three inhabitants.”

Chagos and Ascension would beat that by a long shot.... prick can't even get simple facts correct.
72 andy65 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:14 am Report abuse
I think you can safely say those two Twitter accounts were fake
73 reality check (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:27 am Report abuse
A bit like the Argentines then!
74 José Malvinero (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 03:49 am Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlBk_7vILo8&feature=related
75 DanyBerger (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 06:03 am Report abuse
@ Monkeymagic
“However, it is important to get facts correct on these forums.”

Yeahhhh sure and to speak perfect welsh like me too.

Bore da!
Croeso i Gymru,

Dim problem

Almaeneg Da Brutish Drwg

Wela i chi! Pelotudumdums

@Steve-33-uk

“Why do you hate the Falkland Islanders?
What have they ever done wrong?”

What about stealing to start with?

Clarin Pinochio! and why not finochio?
76 Domingo (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:22 am Report abuse
It is an ugly fact that since the 1940s the Argentine government & bureaucracy has carried out its policy of systematic political & economic persecution against the Falkland Islanders with the aim to ostracise them from their geographic neighbors by deliberately exploiting regional bigotry against peoples which do not share the same hispanic culture as the majority of Latin America in order to deprive the Islanders of their rights

To say to present day Falkland Islanders “go home to Britain!” is equally as racist bigoted &wrong as saying to black African Argentine immigrants “go home to Africa!” The facts are that the “go home” sentiment applied to immigrants is an unpleasant & unreasonable. especially for descendants of immigrants who are born in a place and have always been there. These people are native to that land and know no other place. The place they are born and grow up in is there home. It is in their heart and soul; that is where they feel they belong

For a native Islander, Britain would feel no more like home than Spain or Italy would feel to an Argentine born in Argentina of Spanish or Italian descent. However, the racist view that cur Islanders must be dispossessed of their homes & forcibly deported as scapegoats for the past is de facto Argentine government policy

The fact is the Argentine Constitution offers no protection for the Falkland Islanders whatsoever whilst such bigotry against them exists within Argentina the region; the Argentine government & Argentine people shall never be respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants according to the principles of international law. Past acts and omissions of the Argentine government & popular bigotry are clear proof, including Timerman's contempt for the Islanders & complete lack of respect for both Islanders & the Argentine constitution

The sad reality is that the Argentine government & people would more readily enact a Bill of Attainder against the Islanders than uphold international law
77 Britworker (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:48 am Report abuse
@75
Stealing - Dishonest appropriation with the intention to permanently deprive.

I think you need to be reminded now and again when your chaotic mess of a country came into existance?

Answer - Well after the Falklands did!
78 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:26 am Report abuse
Standing back for a minute, it does make me wonder if Peronism is going to provide all us non-argentines with a lifetime of chuckles and belly-laughter.

It's done pretty well until now.
79 Viva Las Falklands (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:40 am Report abuse
Well there it is Argentina have been offered talks. But Argentina declines!!!!!!!!
So what was all the shouting about?

If Hague were to go to Argentina then he should just take the Falkland's government representatives with him as Timmerman says they would'nt put any conditions in place. I wonder how long that offer lasts?
80 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:57 am Report abuse
@76 Domingo (#)
Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:22 am

I am nicking this.
81 Islander1 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse
39Xav- your President tried hard this time last year to get Chile to stop the flight- she got a firm NO from them.- she is to scared and wet to simply withdraw the overflight access herself. She also got a firm No do not stop the flight - from your own veterans and families Association.
If she did get the balls to be silly and stop it - so what - no Argentines would be able to visit here - and we would arrange very quickly an additional flight from somewhere else.
So who would loose - other than Arg and Chile?
82 ljordao (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 10:24 am Report abuse
@76:

You are spot on. Many Argentinians strongly believe that the legal tail wags the moral dog. (In fact, this is a Latin-American disease.) For them, a right is whatever the State allows its citizens to do, and so they have no philosophical tools to protect natural individual rights against bogus group rights. Such backwards cultures should not be allowed to prevail over the Western heritage of freedom.
83 Domingo (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
@80 ... be my guest.

@82:

Yes. It is a deeply disturbing aspect of this dispute that the Argentine state systematically persecutes the Falkland Islanders because they are an ethnic minority in the region

The record speaks for itself; the Argentine popular stereotype of the Falkland Islanders is that of an implanted people without human rights. The purpose of the stereotype is to dehumanize the Falkland Islanders; to scapegoat them as a collective object of hate for the Argentine populace -rather than see them as individuals just like each individual Argentine- in order to socialize the acceptance of outright hostility, prejudice & discriminate against Falkland Islanders because of their ethnicity

The facts are that the Falkland Islanders are ordinary people with wives, mothers, brothers, fathers & sisters, just the same as modern day Argentines. Both peoples descendants of European immigrants to the New World, who have built their homes & livlihood over many generations of toil. The two may be separated by their British & Hispanic cultural identities, but remain equal in human rights under international law

The fact that the Argentine government argues at the UN against equality in human rights for the Falkland Islanders & the fact the Argentine people are complicit in their support the disenfranchisement of the Falkland Islanders & sequestration of their belongings is repugnant

The source of recent anti-Falkland Islander decrees by the Argentine legislature lies in the indoctrinated hatred implanted by decades of state propaganda directed against the Falkland Islanders; the fevor with which the local populace support the Gaucho Rivero Law of Attainment against the Falkland Islanders is proof enough

Argentina is obligated to take its claims against the Islanders to the UN International Court of Justice to prove them & to uphold the Islanders rights, but Argentina prefers to derogate its obligations in favor of its ugly prejudice of ex post facto attainder
84 ElaineB (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:22 am Report abuse
Please continue, but are you suggesting the Falkland Islanders were given the role of the Jews in Peron's version of fascism?
85 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
@83,80,82 What you're describing is called 'Viveza Criolla' and is common in South America. It's a manifestation of moral and legal nihilism, whereby the
adherent believes that anything they do is acceptable.

We see this practically through the extensive use of obvious lies, ignoring of agreements, borrowing money without intention of paying and ignoring of the constitution. It also manifests in the high level of crimes seen in these countries.

Fundamentally a culture with this type of nihilism ascribed to it will NOT coexist well with the western cultures where law, rather than power, is the prevalent force.

Argentina is always going to be a mess because of this. It's basically a pre-savage culture.

[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveza_criolla
86 DanyBerger (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:35 am Report abuse
@Domingo
“deliberately exploiting regional bigotry against peoples which do not share the same hispanic culture as the majority of Latin America in order to deprive the Islanders of their rights”

The problem was that in 1883 was not invented the GPS, so you wrongly confused America with Africa that always was your natural rout.

There you will fit very well in fact you even will be welcome and none will care if you uses pyjamas.
87 Orbit (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
Domingo et al; this is the best discussion / description I have read anywhere of the main issue in all of this. Thank you for educating me. This needs to go on any and every medium relevant to the Falkland Islands.

Malvinistas ... A coherent, non ranting, response if you please, if it is within your capabilities?
88 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
@86 Dany, you're a useful individual to bring into this conversation, as you're just a product of the system under discussion. You and your fellow commenters continuously ask for everything ranging from the irradication of all life on the islands through to mass expulsion. Even Hector Timmerman, a member of the jewry, refuses to acknowledge the existence of the islanders, reminding us all of the holocaust.

My question is to you Dany, where is these feelings of hatred towards the islanders originally taught? Is it an educational thing or something that your parents reinforced over years?

It is an interesting inquiry.
89 Trunce (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:16 pm Report abuse
@Domingo & Shed-time

Fascinating. Wiki mentions a similar concept to Viveza Criolla in Brazil. Are they peculiar to these countries, or imported custom from Europe by immigrants?
90 malen (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
Very simple Monty, SAM land and people was colonized, since 1810 the people of SAM (that fought against its colonists) decided to recover its land and returned it to its real owners (6.000.000 of mixed people between indegenous and criollos against thousands of only spaniards). As Africa is of africans, afghanistan is of afghans, and its not a territory of french english colonists, etc.
Domingo according to human rights, we would like to know why cant argentines live in the isles for more than 180 years since they were expelled, only 25 live there, while british and even islanders can come freely to Arg??? The british community living in Arg is much more than 3.000 and dont seem to be complainning of any bad treat or bigotry.
And Monty nobody wanst you to be arg.
91 Domingo (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
@86. Dany you are an excellent comedian. You made me laugh. Please continue

@85. Yes, well said.

@84. Elaine, that is an interesting hypothesis, but no, I think that analogy is fallacious. However, there is no doubt the Islanders are subject to state sponsored persecution and discrimination; they are routinely stereotyped as “different” and “less worthy” than Argentines or Hispanics because of their ethnicity. They are a regional minority and are considered to have lesser rights to live in their homes than hispanics

What I see is an expansionist Argentine government that paradoxically declares the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands and their children born there to be Argentine nationals with the rights of Argentines enshrined in the Argentine Constitution whilst simultaneously declaring the inhabitants attaindered and denying their rights under national, constitutional and international law.

The source of this discrimination in Argentine society is at least in part based on the Islanders enthnicity; there is a belief that these 'Argentines' are not true Argentines and do not deserve the protection of the law and thus since Argentine society agrees the Islanders can be safely subjected to hate crime and discrimination. The past of 180 years ago is blamed on the present day Islanders and the present day Islanders are to be punished for the past by their forced deportation

Such premise would be ridiculous if it were not actual fact
92 stick up your junta (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Argentina snubs Falkland talks
news.iafrica.com/worldnews/840311.html

Britain 'disappointed' after Argentina snubs Falklands talks
www.dailystar.com.lb/News/International/2013/Feb-01/204634-britain-disappointed-after-argentina-snubs-falklan.ashx#axzz2JkE3QB2c

LONDON: Britain said yesterday it was disappointed that Argentina had rejected an invitation to meet Falkland Islands officials during Foreign Minister Hector Timerman’s planned visit to London next week.
arabnews.com/britain-upset-after-argentina-snubs-falklands-talks
93 Zethee (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
“Domingo according to human rights, we would like to know why cant argentines live in the isles for more than 180 years since they were expelled”

There is absolutely no factual evidence from Argentina or the UK that states settlers were deported from the islands.

But lets say for Arguments sake, they were deported. In the real world people can only abide by laws that are in existence. 180 years ago when these people were “expelled” there was no such notion of human rights and no such law was broken.

In 2013 there is such a law. And the islanders have the right to control there own future.
94 LEPRecon (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
@90 - Malen

If any Argentine wants to emigrate to the Falkland Islands they can apply to the Falkland Islands Government to do so, just like ANY one else can.

The FIG control who can live on the Islands, and will only choose people that will add to society, regardless of their original nationality.

In fact, Argentines have had 180 years to go and live on the Islands if they wished to do so, and apparently they didn't.

Remember that immigration control in the 19th century was non-existent on the islands.

An even bigger question for you Malen.

In 1833 after the murderous mutinying troops from the United Provinces of the River Plate were expelled by the Royal Navy, no British troops were left on the Islands. Only a British flag entrusted to one of the colonists.

If the United Provinces truly believed that the Islands were theirs, why did they never return? I mean all there was to stop that return was a flag and a few dozen colonists.

So why did the UP not return? Is it because they knew they didn't own the Islands and realised that the British were not just going to give them up?

Come Malen, you've got all the answers, don't you?

No UP troops returned. No Argentine or Uruguayan people turned up on mass to populate the islands. In fact, hardly a word was ever spoken about the Islands until 1941, when your Nazi loving President thought he could steal the islands while the British were busy fighting against one of the most evil regimes the world has ever known.

Come in Malen, show us the proof, and tell us why?

Come on Malen, if Argentina's claim is so solid why won't you take it to the International Court of Justice?
95 HansNiesund (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
@91

Interesting all the same that some of the most pronounced anglophobes on here, such as for example Think and Feldwebel Berger, are not Hispanic in origin.
96 mollymauk (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
@90 “according to human rights, we would like to know why cant argentines live in the isles for more than 180 years since they were expelled”

This is clearly not true - Argentines (or rather their predecessors, as Argentina by that name did not exist in 1833) lived in the Falkands immediately after 1833, as the non-military population of 1833 largely remained in the islands. Since then many Argentines have made the Falklands their home. There is nothing to prevent an Argentinian coming here now, either as a temporary visitor, or after a meeting certain qualifications (the same as for anyone of any other nationality) as a resident or eventually a naturalised Falkland Islander. The only restrictions I know of particularly aimed at Argentinians was for a period after the 1982 war (about 12 years I think) when Argentinian passport holders were not welcome - for obvious reasons.
97 Conqueror (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
@22 Really? You surprise me. And do tell us, exactly, how your pipsqueak little “state ” is going to stop a Chilean civil airliner if it doesn't enter argie airspace? Of course, it might no longer stop at an argie airport. Wouldn't that be a shame for the relatives of your war dead?
@25 Aw, shame. Things not working out? Where is “Malvinas Argentinas”? Oh, I remember. Between Oz and Neverland. CFK often drops in on her way to the Land of Nod. Didn't CFK want to discuss fisheries a little while ago? Only to find that dear departed hubby had torn the agreement up! Shame that!
@32 Sorry, dimwit. There's nothing “colonial” about the Falkland Islands. But then, you're short on “comprehension” aren't you?
@35 You need to look at a map. And remember that aircraft can go around things. See if you can imagine this. Aircraft takes off from Punta Arenas and flies south for 100 miles. Then it turns left and flies 200 miles east. Then it turns left again and flies to the Falkland Islands. Somewhere along the way, it exchanges its Chilean Air Force F-16 escort for an RAF Typhoon escort. Like it?
@44 Who's refused to accept flights from BA to the Islands? Wasn't aware that argieland has ever made the proper application to the Falkland Islands Government.
@75 Who stole what from whom? Oh, I get it. The British stole the Falkland Islands from God! Fortunately, God doesn't seem to mind.
@86 You're quite right! No GPS in 1883. Fortunately, British seamen had other aids. The stars. The sun. The compass. Landmarks. Charts. Oh, and the fact that they had been going there since 1690! Do you think that, as they sailed along, the fact that all the land was on the right, not on the left, might have given them a clue? I bet you've got GPS. Have you got the route back to your loony bin programmed in? Or do you have to wait for the nurse to come and get you?
@90 It's because you're not nice people. Here's a short list of what you are: Murderers. Genocides. Useless thieves. Invaders.
98 commonsparrow (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
It is horrifying for me to read that Timerman REJECTED THE PRESENCE of the Falklands reps.
99 Monty69 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
90 malen

There are many, many Falkland Islanders with Argentine ancestry. Argentines have been able to settle here freely for almost all of Falkland Islands history, and many did.
You can come here yourself; all you have to do is get a job. Nobody is allowed to settle here without the means to support themselves. Does that seem reasonable to you?

I'm not going to deal with your sad deluded fantasy version of your own history again. I will say that it seems quite unbelievable that your ancestors gained their independence from Spain, and yet you seem to think you have the right to deny us the same opportunity. Because we will, one day, move towards independence, almost certainly.
But you don't want that do you? You want to make it as difficult as possible, and to colonise us if you can.
I don't care how many 'British' people live in Argentina; they chose to go there, and good luck to them. We didn't choose that. You wouldn't go roaming around the UK finding people to take away to Argentina to become happy Argentine citizens, would you. SO why do you think it's OK here?

So if you don't want us to become Argentine citizens, what do you want? What are you planning for all those men, women and children, many of whom have known no other home than the Falkland Islands, perhaps for many generations? What do you have planned for our homes, businesses and livelihoods, families and communities?

I think I know, but let's hear it anyway.
100 andy65 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
@Conqueror (#) And liars according to The IMF
101 ElaineB (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
@85 As I recall Simon Bolivar had in mind a blue print for Latin America similar to the United States but concluded after many years that it just would not work. The inhabitants of South America were a different culture and he eventually took the role of dictator as the only way to unite a disparate people.

@91 I can see your point in modern day context.

Juan Peron made the decision to make the Falkland Islands the cause to unite a very divided population of Argentina. He needed a common enemy. Peron took his ideas from Mussolini's brand of fascism. He used the English immigrants as his attack on the bourgeois culture as they had been the most successful and consequently wealthy.

You can see the elements he was bringing together at the start of the assault and alienation of the Falkland Islanders which only really took shape under his rule. In has, of course, mutated over the years.

It is shocking that the Argentine government seeks to portray the Falkland Islanders as having no rights and as less than human.
102 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
'Timerman and MALVINAS - Our Constitution in the second paragraph of transitional clause 1 establishes two insurmountable limits to foreign policy in relation to the objective of recovering the Malvinas: 1) act in accordance with international law and 2) respect the way of life of its inhabitants. Refusing to participate Islanders meeting between British and Argentine foreign ministers is invisible to these people. Evil can be respected if they are invisible, as claimed Timerman.
Argentina has already held meetings with representatives islanders. At the meeting in London between 24 and 26 May 1999 Argentina diplomacy accepted the presence of the directors islanders Norma Edwards, Sharon Halford, Janet Cheek and William Luxton, subscribing to a joint statement completion. At the meeting of July 2, 1999 in New York delegation was present island formed by Halford and Cheek. Finally, between 13 and 14 July 1999 was held in London the planned meeting between Argentina and British delegations on matters considered. The British delegation included counselors Halford and Mike Summers. Argentine Foreign Minister was accompanied Marcelo deputies Stubrin (UCR), Carlos Raimundi (Frepaso), Marta Ortega de Araoz and Fernando Maurette (PJ)....'

www.lanacion.com.ar/1551166-cartas-de-los-lectores
103 redpoll (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
@102 Steve thanks for the link. Really interesting. Problem is that incipient bridges get broken
104 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
@102 The interesting bit is at the end when he says 'if we cannot respect our own laws (constitution), then how can they (the argentines) gather the respect of the international community?'

The fact is Argentines are ardent racists who fear anything British, fundamentally because of jealousy. The 'jewish question' in europe was always about jealousy that the jews being forced into jobs that no one else would take, like gold-lending, ultimately made a success of it. This is exactly the same issue here, and leads to the same nationalism, racism and screams for ethnic cleansing.

You see the same thing happening in Spain. They have descended into failure, and ultimately see the Gibraltans as non-existent, refusing to discuss acknowledge that they exist, simply because of their Britishness.

This will all end badly, for them.
105 ElaineB (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
Historically the Christian faith forbade money lending (this was a misapplication) so the Jews were 'allowed' (sounds terrible now) to live in small numbers in England for this very purpose. They set up the first banks. Small communities were permitted in London, Norwich and York under the protection of the Crown. They became rich very quickly and jealousy made them unpopular.

The jealousy towards the British stems from their success in Argentina. They represented the upper class because of their acquired wealth and we all know fascists pretend hatred of the upper classes whilst aligning themselves with the proletariat. It is, of course, a scam. They replace the upper class and keep the poor in their place.
106 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
'The Government stresses the illegality of March referendum in Falkland - It will define whether the islanders are a British territory. Timerman said that UN and declared that it is not for a population because they are implanted. Argentina confirmed yesterday that the referendum scheduled for March in the Falklands by its inhabitants define whether they want to stay as an overseas territory of Britain, in the middle of the sovereignty dispute over the islands between the two countries, “is illegal.”
“The referendum is illegal because the United Nations declared a nation that is in place since 1833, when London invaded and expelled the Argentine people” of the islands, said Foreign Minister Hector Timerman told the channel C5N ....'
www.clarin.com/politica/Gobierno-insiste-ilegalidad-referendo-Malvinas_0_858514261.html

'More crosses with Britain after the rejection by the meeting Malvinas -
“They think they are an empire”, launched Timerman, from London said the Chancellor knew they would invite Islanders. Far from abating, the sparks between Argentina and Britain over Falklands kept multiplying yesterday, after the Casa Rosada rejected an offer from London to welcome the Foreign Minister Hector Timerman to discuss the conflict, but only in the presence of the islanders....'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1551256-mas-cruces-con-gran-bretana-tras-el-rechazo-a-la-reunion-por-malvinas
107 Monty69 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
This is really quite shocking. The UN has not said any of those things.

As for 'they think they are an empire' ??? This is amazing really. Timerman is the one that wants something out of this. Does he really think this is the way to get it, by dishing out insults?

I think he just got rattled and let it show. Perhaps diplomacy is just never going to be his thing.
108 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
@105 The issue here is that as with 'the final solution' to the long-standing jewish question , the fascist Argentine elite will also have to live up to their promises and try to eradicate the focus of their jealousy.

This happened regularly with the pogroms, the massacres and eventually the widespread genocide in WW2. Argentinians will at some point try to do the same with the Falkland Islanders, because let's face it, they have no other optin and have talked themselves out of the possibility of peaceful co-existence. Their rhetoric is that of pretending they don't exist, and this will eventually be put into practice.

The only thing standing between the Argentines and their dreams of genocide are the British, as the USA will stand by their 'important latin-american markets', ignoring the plight of the islanders.

This will all end badly, for them.
109 Xect (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
Its amazing how many lies were told in such a short space of time! Did he think everyone would somehow believe him and he'd get away with it?

Anyone remember the speech at the UN about the secret military radar which happened to be a weather radar many countries had been using for many years? Or during the same speech the picture of the British nuclear submarine in SA waters which turned out to be a picture from a British newspaper of a submarine off the coast of Scotland and if that wasn't bad enough they even got the class of the submarine incorrect.

The lies are so spectacularly bad, they have reached the point of being funny. His only hope is that the Argentine people are ill-educated and easily manipulated into believing the lies.

It's comedy central......
110 ChrisR (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
109 Xect
“His only hope is that the Argentine people are ill-educated and easily manipulated into believing the lies.”

But that is exactly what the problem is. ARs education is pathetic by any modern measure. UBA is a laughing stock and should be closed as should most of the other argie uni's.

Such a stupid people.
111 andy65 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
I wonder if The Argentines are reading some of the remarks from there people like below from Clarin.

What government? no matter who thinks Buenos Aires. what matters is the people's voice: kelpers. Mrs. Thatcher led democracy in Argentina, Buenos Aires but still not understood to mean the democracia.l
112 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
Darwin would suggest that the measure of environmental fitness within Argentina is directly related to how unscrupulous and immoral you are capable of being. If I was culturally or genetically British and lived there, I'd be considering a move to another country before the 'purge' begins.

They might be incapable of the saying or knowing the truth, but the argentines are perfectly capable of ignoring international laws and using chemical or biological weapons.

Not very ideal.
113 Domingo (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
@95. Yes, that is a shrewd observation

Nonetheless, willful support to state persecution of the present day Islanders and explicit desire for ex judicial punishment of the contemporary islanders for supposed historical crimes is a commonly held Argentine prejudice
114 andy65 (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
Perhaps comments like below on some sites are peeing Hector of

The very fact that the UK government had arranged a meeting with the Argentine Foreign Minister did surprise some people with David Cameron insisting there would be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the islands until the result of the vote was known. Whether this was a private meeting during which all parties could air their views or perhaps something of a PR stunt by the Argentine government is unclear. Whatever it was, the planned meeting has certainly backfired on the Argentine government which now seems to have isolated itself even further from diplomacy.
115 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
@114 well, they've essentially isolated themselves from being able to say 'the UK doesn't follow UN resolutions and organise talks in good offices' on loop. This is because they organised talks with good offices (and tea and biscuits) and the Argentines told them they didn't want to.

Goodness knows to what depths their next dipomatic strategy is going to plummet.
116 ElaineB (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
Even the Buenos Aires Herald has an editorial basically saying that Timerman is thick.
117 ynsere (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
Falklanders: the less you have to do with Argentina, the less you'll be lied to.
118 Shed-time (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
@116 If you think that's bad you should read the comments on LaNacion about Don Lorenzo and Killicof's not-economic model. They're quite staggering.

If one was going to pick a stereotype from a Shakespearean play and run with it then one could assume that all Israelis are 'mercilessly opportunistic'. From this one could elaborate on the fact that Timmerman's friends in USA have probably bought significant amounts of financial derivatives to 'win' from the demise of Argentina. Under this assumption, all this nonsense would just be part of the plan and timmerman will be safely back amongst the NYC jewry with his bearer bonds (coupons attached).

“When they touch down, we'll blow the roof, they'll spend a month sifting through rubble, and by the time they figure out what went wrong, we'll be sitting on a beach, earning twenty percent.”, Hector 'Hans Gruber' Timmerman (2010)
119 briton (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 08:49 pm Report abuse
Why even talk to them, this will / would give them more ammo,
[they talked to us, therefore must admit we have a claim crap]
Never trust em,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Besides,
A Question of ethics.

1, if Argentina claims that the Falklands are argentine and thus belongs to them,
And thus they have a valid claim,, ]
2, then, the reverse must also be true,
,,,,
3, The Falklands can thus claim that argentina is a part of them and thus a valid claim, could be submitted to the UN that Argentina is in fact Falklands island territory,

4, and just for the sheer hell of it, and for the utter sake of bloody mindedness and total confusion,
The Falklands islanders, and or the British government, should at the earliest opportunity put in a claim to the UN , and Fxck em all up.

Just a wickedly nice thought .lol.
.
120 redpoll (#) Feb 02nd, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
Yes nothing further to talk about. HBM Ambassador should be called home to London for “indefinite consultations” and a diplomatic suggestion to Ms Alicia Castro to go and visit her namesakes in Cuba where her pal is “ill” A great scenario: Alice in Wonderland?
121 Pete Bog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
“certainly not supervised by Malvinas settlers”.

Well assuming this friend of Wallace and Gromit, with his plasticine face, refers to the Falkland Islands it would be rather difficult for the original settlers from 1765, 1833 0r any period during the 19th century to supervise anything as sadly they are long dead.

Did he think Hague had exhumed them?
122 DanyBerger (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
@ Shed-time

Hey mate you are not so important to have a chapter in education dedicated to you.

You make that to happen alone and very easy.

By reading only mercopress everyone will tell you that you are subjects to be hated by your own level of stupidity, ignorance and arrogance.

Lest put in other words...

You seems talibans that took my garden and not happy with that you bring more talibans to bomb my house and to impose your shitty rules.

And then you ask why are we hated? Are you idiot or what?

Anyone will be shooting your heads from their balconies, go back to where you belong and where you can exercise all your British stuff.

Everyone will be happy, trust me...

happy pyjamas party BTW
123 cornishair (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
122. wow..... An argentinean who thinks he's making a point lol.

Its a shame your government has shoot its self in the foot :)
124 Pete Bog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 02:46 pm Report abuse
@115
“say 'the UK doesn't follow UN resolutions ”

Which must be in accordance with the provisions of the UN charter and taking into account the interests of the Falklands population because it says so.

So Hague arranges for some of the elected population to be present to discuss their interests and Tinman declines.

Who's rejecting the UN resolutions to talk?
125 Brit Bob (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
Her Timerman is on twitter and has x7 followers.
126 andy65 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
@DanyBerger = TWAT, still pretending my man
127 Agent999999999999999999 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
Zhivago aka Simon68 don't know what to say!
128 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@122 zanyberger
“You seems talibans that took my garden and not happy with that you bring more talibans to bomb my house and to impose your shitty rules. ”

What are you saying?
129 Brit Bob (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
twitter.com/HTimerman

'I here to educate the world on truth about Argentina and Malvinas'
130 Pete Bog (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
@129

Just seen it more unreferenced b******s
131 Brit Bob (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
I believe that the Tin man and the Botox Queen are getting really worried as the rest of the World starts to realise that the fate of the Falkland Islands actually rests with the islanders.

The Argentine government has also come up with a better way of calculating inflation - it's called Cristina's Crystal Ball. Watchout INDEC!
132 Shed-time (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
@122 Dany, are you just upset because you turned down UN called for talks on the Falkland Islands with a UN registered administered state included in the talks.

I see you ignore UN resolutions now calling for dialogue that you reject.

Shame on you.
133 briton (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
The worlds number one laughing stock,

laugh , laugh ,
134 puerto argentino (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
133
briton their discomfort is understandable, but unfortunately live with shit British government in Tierra Argentina for more than 180 years, usurpers! and this is coming to an end for more Cameron insita with more troops and weapons are losing the battle without firing a single bullet Argentina, so the lies have short legs and the colonies is running out in the world
135 Clyde15 (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
#134
Another desperately deluded muppet.
136 redpoll (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
@134 Oh Sussie do go away and attend to your chosen profession
137 reality check (#) Feb 03rd, 2013 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
@134
Poor deluded soul, believe what you like, it's called a coping mechanism!
138 agent999 (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
In one of sussie's past posts she was a retired rocket engineer !!!
139 Claudina (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 01:55 am Report abuse
SussieUS don't need to work for a living or do bad things to earn money!
BUT,
the one who needs help is Captain Poppy trying to pay $800 pesos in the argentine restaurant!
uuuuuuuujajaja
No money No class!
Poor Falk-Slum-islanders!
140 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:12 am Report abuse
So Sussie gives it for free to la Campora. Must be a double bagger
141 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 02:19 am Report abuse
@redpoll

It might be best to ignore Sussie altogether.

Not even the Trolls listen to him - they're embarrassed.
142 redpoll (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:14 am Report abuse
@141 No she , he or it is good comic relief on these threads
143 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 03:56 am Report abuse
@142Red

I know they've had cutbacks in Arg Medical system, but they should not have closed the Psych. Hospitals - now the previous inmates have their meltdowns in public.
144 briton (#) Feb 04th, 2013 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
134 puerto argentino
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139 Claudina
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Two become one=?? ??
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145 Pete Bog (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:48 am Report abuse
@134
“usurpers”

No usurpation in 1833.

The brits got rid of the UP military (the naval part of Pinedo's force was mostly.....BRITISH sailors), and the rapists and murderers ejected, some of whom were sentenced and executed by firing squad by..... yes the United Provinces government.
So to recap how stupid your usurpation rubbish is, some of the people ejected from Port Louis were tried as criminals and shot by the United Provinces government (ie not by the British Government). And don't forget Pinedo's British sailors who were ejected by, yes, the British.

And just to remind you, the MAJORITY of the settlers who were allowed to stay under British rule in 1833, were NOT British, but South American Gauchos.

And there was NO British military presence until Jan 1834, which gave the UPs a full year to return to the islands if they wished as there was NO ONE to stop them.
146 row82 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
Please support this page - Falklands Forever British - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls - www.facebook.com/truthfk
147 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.

www.facebook.com/HonourRestored

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