Monday, February 4th 2013 - 23:50 UTC

Hague ‘open’ to Timerman but if talks refer to Falklands, Islanders should be present

Foreign Secretary William Hague said on Monday that he continues ‘open’ to a meeting with his peer from Argentina, Hector Timerman, although he insisted that if the talks refer to Falklands’ issues, representatives from the Islands should be present.

Foreign Secretary Hague

“For Mr Timerman the offer of a meeting remains open, but of course in any discussion regarding the people of the Falklands’, it is most important that they should be present”, said Hague on Monday in obvious reference to a request from the Argentine embassy in London for a “two alone meeting”.

Minister Timerman arrived in London on Monday to press for Argentina’s Malvinas sovereignty case in two events, Tuesday and Wednesday, one in the British Parliament and a second at the Argentine embassy with 18 EU groups that sponsor a resumption of UK/Argentina dialogue on the dispute.

A spokesperson confirmed on Monday that the Foreign Office had received the letter from the Argentine embassy, signed by Ambassador Alicia Castro requesting the ‘two alone meeting’, but policy had not changed.

“We would be more than happy to have the possibility of meeting with Minister Timerman, but if he wants to talk about the Islands, we can’t do it without the presence of its representatives”, said the Foreign Office.

Hague made his statements during a joint press conference in London with Brazil’s Foreign minister Antonio Patriota. The Brazilian official said that the rest of Mercosur “supports Argentine sovereignty of Malvinas and dialogue between Argentina and the UK, under the auspices of United Nations”.

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1 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:14 am Report abuse
Middle stump from a full toss William!
2 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:20 am Report abuse
An offer was made and rejected, what's more the offer still stands, master stroke of diplomacy, whilst on the sporting analogies, the ball is well and truly in their court.
3 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:25 am Report abuse
”The Brazilian official said that the rest of Mercosur “supports Argentine sovereignty of Malvinas and dialogue between Argentina and the UK, under the auspices of United Nations”.

If you want this done under the auspices of the United Nations read this:

You don't need to read very far. UN Charter, Chapter 1, Article 1, Paragraph 2.

If you want to claim that the Falkland Islanders are not people go to the ICJ. It is their country and they will decide their future with or without your support.

If you can prove that they are not people then you might be on to a winner but I think you are up against it.

Do this or STFU you are embarrassing yourselves.
4 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:32 am Report abuse
Seems that the concept of the Untermensch is not a thing of the past and suprise, suprise, resurected by the very country that gave shelter to the evil basards that so enthusiasticaly embraced it!
5 Britworker (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:52 am Report abuse
Do they not realise how they are coming across when they say that the Falkland Islanders have no human rights, it's a shame that Brazil feels compelled to being pulled down by their filthy duplicitous Argentine neighbours.
6 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:05 am Report abuse
No I do not think they do. Frankly it's a disastrous stratedgy. Who, outside the usual suspects is going to align themselfs with this. That Universal Human Rights apply to some and not to all. Crazy!
7 hp_25 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:56 am Report abuse
I am wondering what the Falk-Slum-Islanders are going to wear!
8 GFace (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:04 am Report abuse
@5,6 At this point, I really am not sure. We have the usual fascist cheers from the Malvanistas combined with fascist rights-denying rhetoric from government officials who really should know what this sounds like in the context of history. And both of their tones that are raising with unapologetic crescendo to where it's impossible to adhere to Godwin's Law because their rhetoric hits too many disgusting historical parallels right on the money.

At this point the Malvanistas, Camporas and CFK's own government leadership are so sloppy drunk on their fantasy ideology and alternative history (that they now believe themselves) that their true character is really shining through. Raw unapologetic fascism that belongs in an era dead and buried. This is getting more eff-ed up by the hour. And we aren't even at the end of February.
9 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:08 am Report abuse
Chapter1 Art. 1 Paragraph 3:
To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion;

So, none of the usual AR (perhaps SA) prejudice against Falklanders because of their culture, race, language, religion.

IF Argentina is to behave according to the UN Charter.
10 dixie rebel (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:14 am Report abuse
If a Falkland representative ever meets with Tinman, please tell him that the Argentines would like that the government do something to lower the high inflation rate of 25% that all the citizens suffer with rising food prices.Please tell him that the government do something to protect its citizen from the high crime rate that the people suffer. The people want safe streets. Also tell him, that the Argentines want that the government clean up its house by getting rid of all the corrupt officials in government. They want an end of corruption in the government. With these three items will be enough. Thank you Falkland Island representative, you will really help the Argentines.
11 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:40 am Report abuse

I don't know why Timermsn wouldn't listen to them, according to him, Falkland Islanders, and therefore, their Reps, are Argentinian, don't 'cha know!!
12 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:05 am Report abuse
@8 - GFace

That's because Argentina is rapidly going down the pan. The more hysterical they get, the worse the conditions in Argentina are.

I think this latest round of idiocy is due to being censured by the IMF.

They don't know what to do, they don't know how to fix the problems that they caused, so they fall back on the only thing they can do: Shout loudly, tell whopping great lies, and try to play the victim card.

But less and less this is working with the ordinary Argentine citizens, who are struggling to make ends meet. So the rhetoric gets even more hysterical.

It won't be long know before CFK is legging it to her helicopter just a few steps ahead of the angry mob. One can only hope that she trips before getting there....
13 Gordo1 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:56 am Report abuse
He is losing face on a grand scale! He's a weasel!
14 Austral (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:33 am Report abuse
@7 - probably something tailored in London, shirts from Jermyn Street etc as their currency will allow it and not force them to shop at rip off Christian Dior, faux designer boutiques or non-existent full-service department stores in BsAs. Just a thought.
15 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:28 am Report abuse
Did Timmerman get booed and get sent to the captain's naughty chair?
16 Be serious (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:11 am Report abuse
United we stand divided we fall.
Now close the door on the way out Baldy Man.
17 CJvR (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
One can't help wondering why Argentina even keeps an Embassy and a Foreign Minister when all they need is a trained parrot to sit around and squawk about the Malvinas all day.
18 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:42 am Report abuse
@17 Not unlike the Iranian Embassy and Israel? no?
19 GALlamosa (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:55 am Report abuse
I hope the meeting takes place on bi-lateral issues excluding the Falklands. The slamming of diplomatic doors is not a good thing. Mr T will feel the full blast of British feelings on the Falklands when he meets the Parliamentartians. He will not have a comfortable time there.

Just a shame he so completely lacks the confidence and the balls to meet our representatives. He might learn something, he might not, and same for us. But talking is what we have all espoused, so get off your high horse HT and meet some real people.
20 Conqueror (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
@7 So predictable, sussie.
@10 Can't help you. Your country, your “government”, your problem!
21 Ratamacue (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
Not really surprised at Brazil being so open about supporting Argentina's claim, but hopefully the UN will be really strong in support of the Islanders' self determination following the referendum! I will watch that with great interest although I am sure I will be disappointed!
22 BritishLion (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
@7 Saville Row suits and smart British made shoes I imagine, why the question? Seems rather silly to me...because its mad Sussie....jajajajajajjajaj, the idiot, thats why!
23 GFace (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
@21. Yes but also remember that the have to be in the same room with the prevailing mentally whacked AR leadership too often NOT to toss them some no-cost validation. I've worked with people who are compartmentallty unhinged and its amazing how you can “yes yes yes, next item” to their hobby horses. It's easier than cleaning up after the spills that happen once you've explained how things really work to them.
24 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
Sr. Patriota really knows how to kick in the goolies an international meeting on foreign territory.
What a way to open doors in his bilateral negotiations with the UK!
What a consummate diplomat!
I doff my hat to someone working so hard on behalf of his country.
25 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
Yes and apparently he is willing to extend his visit for those talks, he's going to have a long wait, longer that the 20 years he was refering to.

You were offered them, you refused them, now piss off and work out how your going to waffle that one away at the UN.
26 Tobers (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
----but if talks refer to Falklands, Islanders should be present---

so clear, so simple, so right, no insults. That's diplomacy
27 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
What Falkland Islanders, they do not exist, they are not a people, they are irrelevant and of no consequence. All that matters is how and when are we going to hand sovereignty over to them.

I am not sure that, 'when hell freezes over' is the correct diplomatic response, but it is certainly the most appropriate one.
28 ynsere (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
GALlamosa @ 19
Dealing with the CFK gov't is not like dealing with normal people. They'll break every promise, they'll let you down every time. Ask the Uruguayans.
29 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
Does this means Argentina has to allow for a member of the fakland holdings corporate to sit at a table, and will this corporate pay for the cows and land they stole from la fonate and vernet, I think it would be a good idea if they also included SanCor in the meetings.
30 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:29 pm Report abuse
Read it, keep up the good work Timmerman, making yourself look a right idiot.
31 Artillero 601 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
why don't we fire this guy and with the money we save , we fix the “ Santisima Trinidad” . Just a thought :-))
32 Pete Bog (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
“land they stole from la fonate and vernet,”

Lafone fleeced the Falklands without ever setting foot there, Lafone stole from the Falklands with conman deals. Nothing was stolen from Lafone you muppet.

The UK did not steal land from Vernet-he was given permission by the British to be there. Also it was the British government that paid Vernet compensation for losses (Argentina did not nor did the USA, who did not recognise Argentina sovereignty).

Vernet was largely disposessed by the USA in 1831, his fault as he commited piracy against US ships and paid the price-typical Argentine tactic actually, start a fight and then moan, whine and merrily fly the white flag when their asses are kicked.

Incidentally, Vernet's settlement was allowed to continue in 1833 under the British flag .
What you boneheads never point out is that Pinedo's sailors were mostly British nationals and so the most numeric nationality in the UPot RPs forces kicked off by the British were........British

What you boneheads also do not point out is that most of the rebellious garrison sent home by the British were tried by the United Provinces and executed by firing squad-not by Britain , by the United Provinces.

Your history research sucks pal, you need to do better than that.
33 ynsere (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:00 am Report abuse
Pete Bog 32
In my country, Uruguay, Samuel Fisher Lafone is remembered as a great man who was a fair employer and gave money to charitable causes, including the building of the Holy Trinity Anglican cathedral. There is even a square named after him in the Montevideo neighbourhood of El Cerro.
It seems almost as if you and I were speaking of different people. I wonder if you'd kindly share what you know about his actions regarding the Falklands?
34 Pete Bog (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:34 am Report abuse
Yes, perhaps the Falklands administration should have kept an eye on him-he was an excellent business man but the islands suffered as he killed most of the wild cattle after promising the government to provide some for the citizens and didn't. I will find what I discovered about him and provide a link. It could be that his business methods were sharp and the government in Stanley should have kept a closer check on his promises and contracts to the islands. Something interesting was that despite the Argentine's insistence that they were not allowed to settle in the Islands, Lafone did use 150 gauchos, many I believe settled in the Falklands-as you have raised doubt I will check what I researched is valid. I remember reading that lafone did not deliver all he promised in contracts and caused unsustainable damage to the wild cattle population.

I believe he was very popular in Uruguay and understand he never set foot on the Falklands.
35 row82 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
Please support this page - Falklands Forever British - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls -
36 dixie rebel (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:39 am Report abuse
#10 troy tempest

YEA, I guess you're right. But poor RG's, their gov. does not listen to them. How can a society withstand a 25% inflation rate. Their gov. forces them to live with this inflation because the gov. does not recognize that there is inflation. Somebody has to help these people. They want a solution to the inflation problem and don't care a shit about the Falklands. Thank God that the Falklands are British or you would be having a good 25% inflation.
37 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.

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