Tuesday, February 5th 2013 - 17:39 UTC

“Falklands will be under Argentine control within 20 years”, Timerman tells UK media

The Falklands Islands will be under Argentine control within 20 years, Minister Hector Timerman said in an interview with The Guardian and The Independent in London insisting that not one single country in the world supports the UK governing the Falklands.

“I don't have to persuade the Islanders. We have to apply international law and accept the UN resolutions”, underlined Timerman

Timerman is in London to lobby before a British Parliament group and later European groups Argentina’s case on the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty dispute, and in the interview indirectly admitted Argentina is making life difficult for the Islanders’ by complaining that UK has been taking unilateral decisions on fishing licences and exploring for oil.

“It is strange to be accused of being fanatical when you see all your natural resources being taken away, part of your country under the administration of a foreign power and you try to sit down and have dialogue and you are refused” said Timerman who pledged that the existing Islanders, once they depend from Buenos Aires would be protected under Argentine rule, including “their way of life, their language and right to remain British citizens”, but he drew a distinction between the Islanders' interests, which could be met, and their wishes, which could not.

The interview was done by The Guardian’s political editor Patrick Wintour and published on Tuesday. Some excerpts from the piece titled “Falklands will be under our control within 20 years, says Argentina” follow.

Visiting London for the first time, he ruled out a military solution to the 130-year-old sovereignty dispute but claimed the world increasingly recognized that the Falklands were a product of colonialism. He accused the British government of being motivated by a fanatical desire to hold on to the islands and claimed “the United Kingdom has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity to find a solution for the Malvinas”.

He said: “I don't think it will take another 20 years. I think that the world is going through a process of understanding more and more that this is a colonial issue, an issue of colonialism, and that the people living there were transferred to the islands.”

He vowed that the interests of the existing Islanders would be protected under Argentine rule, including “their way of life, their language and right to remain British citizens”. But he drew a distinction between the Islanders' interests, which could be met, and their wishes, which could not.

Timerman is in London to argue the historical and legal case for Argentine sovereignty over the Islands. He has refused to meet the foreign secretary, William Hague, after the Foreign Office insisted representatives of the Falklands also attend. He said Hague's refusal to hold talks bewildered him as in the past the British had been quite willing to talk to a military junta that claimed 35,000 Argentine lives.

In his interview, Timerman refused to discuss the possibility of joint sovereignty, saying he would not as a diplomat conduct negotiations through the Guardian and could only do so directly with Hague.

Explaining his refusal to meet the islanders, Timerman, speaking at the Argentine embassy in Mayfair, said: “We have been trying to find a peaceful solution for 180 years. I think the fanatics are not in Buenos Aires [but] maybe in the United Kingdom because they are 14,000km away from the Islands. And I think they are using the people living in the Islands for political [reasons] and to have access to oil and natural resources which belong to the Argentine people. I think we are not fanatical at all.

”There is not one single country in the world which supports the right of the United Kingdom to govern over the Malvinas. Not one.

“According to the United Nations, there are only two parties to the conflict – the United Kingdom and the Republic of Argentina. It is an issue that has to be resolved by Argentina and the United Kingdom. By introducing a third party [the Falkland Islanders], the United Kingdom is changing more than 40 resolutions by the United Nations, which call on the two countries to negotiate.”

Asked if it would be better to develop a relationship with the Islanders as a way of reaching a settlement, he said: “I don't have to persuade them. The United Nations says there is a conflict between the United Kingdom and Argentina. I don't have to persuade anybody. We have to apply international law and accept the resolutions, if not the UN becomes a body that is only useful when it backs the powerful.”

He also dismissed the referendum that is being held by the Falklands’ government on the Islands future in March, designed to underline that the Islanders want to remain part of the British Overseas Territories. He said the referendum “is something that doesn't mean anything because if you ask the colonial people who came with a colonial power and replaced the people who were living in the islands, it is like asking the British citizens of the Malvinas Islands if they want to remain British”.

Timerman likened it to asking only new Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories if they want to remain Israeli.

He pointed out that the number of Islanders who have lived there for more than nine generations were tiny.

A form of joint sovereignty has been repeatedly urged on both countries as the best solution to the conflict, and in the past before the invasion of the Falklands by the military dictatorship in 1982, British diplomats had discussed the proposals with their Argentine counterparts.

Pressed on whether Argentina could propose such a solution, he said: “When we sit down we will discuss everything that has to be discussed, not before. You don't discuss through the media. You discuss face to face. That is why I asked for a meeting with William Hague and he refused. If I can sit down with him, he will know what we think, but he refuses to sit down with us.”

An exile during the military junta that invaded the Falklands leading to a total of 907 deaths, he ruled out any Argentine intention to settle the dispute through force. He said: “I am a victim of a dictatorship, please take me more seriously. Argentina is a country which has not been in a war under a democratic government for over 100 years.” He pointed out Britain had invaded Argentina three times in the past.

He denied the Argentines had been making life difficult for the Falklands Islanders, instead accusing the British government of taking unilateral decisions including giving fishing licences for 25 years instead of, as in the past, just two years. He also accused Britain of exploring for oil in a way that could cause a real ecological disaster.

He said dryly: “Wherever there is a smell of oil, big powers start to look around and they find a reason to stay there. I think probably oil will complicate the peaceful solution that is asked for by the United Nations. I think in history that Britain has had a tendency to stay in places where there are natural resources belonging to other people.”

He also denied that his government was seeking to distract from its economic problems by highlighting the conflict. Taking a swipe at the state of the British economy, he said: “I think it is the United Kingdom that is going through an economic crisis and is becoming isolationist more than Argentina. They want to get out of the European Union, there is a sense here [in Britain] that we want to stop the world and get out.”

He also said that at least under the Labour government Gordon Brown had been willing to meet the Argentines.

The foreign minister ended with a plea for Hague to meet him, saying he was willing to stay in London for extra days until the foreign secretary could find a slot in his diary.

He said: “I hope that one day soon we can start a dialogue and not be hostage to a group of people who are there because a colonial empire took them and sent them there to settle and to live. There are other issues we should be discussing and hope we can discuss them.”

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1 HansNiesund (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
Hector does comedy, but evidently not irony
2 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
3 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
Cracking article, you need to speed up a bit though, not long left now!
The worlds spokesman still has a lot of people to reach out to.
Ferkin dipshit,he has absolutely no idea how rediculous he sounds!
4 Condorito (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
In the last 60 years one of these two countries has been in an on going process of decolonization and granting independence to former colonies as per the wishes of its subjects; while the other has been engaged in a process of aggressive (unsuccessful) colonial expansion.

We, your neighbors, and most of the world understand that difference. Recent history shows the UK has no imperial ambition, the same can not be said of Argentina.

Argentina you are going the wrong way at an increasing pace and with increasingly hollow rhetoric.
5 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
So the London comedy event is going well then?
6 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
The headline should read: Deluded man makes inane comments.

The only way that Argentina will ever get the Falklands will be over Britain's dead body. And we'll make sure that we take Argentina with us if that should ever look like happening.

20 years, he really is deluded.

But this is, of course, another pointless pile of crap spouted by a pointless pile of crap.

I'd lay better odds that in 20 years time Argentina will have ceased to exist, and will be 'absorbed' by Brazil, Uruguay and Chile. Who knows, even Paraguay might get its land back.
7 screenname (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
The only problem he has got is that if it is an issue about colonists, then the same issue applies to Argentina.
8 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
Is this a threat? It looks like a threat to me.
9 HansNiesund (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
One wonders, in fact, if Argentina will be under Argentine control within 20 years.
10 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
“I am a victim of a dictatorship, please take me more seriously”

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!

Oh dear god!!! Does even he believe the pile of crap that he is talking??? He is an embarrassment to his country, to his office, to his government and to himself..........

Still, you've gotta laff innit?

Not with him....... but AT him!!
11 Rufus (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
@8 Shed

Not a very effective one.

I'm quite convinced that Twitterman is the reincarnation of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf (the former Iraqi information minister (aka Baghdad Bob and/or Comical Ali))
12 MrFlagpole (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
It's funny they talk about implanted people.

If Argentina got the islands what people would they put on them? Some indigenous ones?
13 LEPRecon (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
@12 - MrFlagpole

Only the penguins are indigenous to the Falklands, which is why their arguments are bollocks, and one of the reasons that they won't take their little dispute to the ICJ.

Mr Timerman makes a bold statement, knowing that neither he nor the mad harpy will be in power in 2o years. In fact, it looks increasingly likely that Argentina won't exist in 20 years, so he has nothing to lose by spouting this crap.

These Argentines obviously believe that the people of Britain are as gullible as the people of Argentina, and that we'll believe any crap he spouts out.

All it has done is show that he is an imbecile, a coward, a Nazi, and definitely a man who doesn't believe in human rights.

No one in their right mind would take this man or Argentina seriously.

But I'm happy for him to keep spouting this crap. There's nothing like over stating a message to make people turn off. I mean look how much affect anti-smoking ads on cigarette packs have. This has the same impact. Everyone goes 'Not again!' and then switches to some nice music in their heads while he babbles on.
14 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
I wonder what would happen if someone else said 'Patagonia be under chinese control in under 20 years'.

It would be interesting to see how it would be interpreted by the international community. Probably as a threat.
15 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
If Argentina builds a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina or a fleet of stealth submarines I am sure it could be done in 10 years.
Let's not forget we are dealing with Terrorist states who give refuge to MI6, CIA and Mossad.
16 ChrisR (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
Timmidman is obviously a crack-head.

He has his head so far up the arse crack of TMBOA he can't tell when he is being laughed at.

Pathetic, utterly pathetic.
17 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
Everywhere you look in this interview there are lies.
Not little white lies, but easily disproven fantasies.
It's shocking that a once sensible nation like Argentina has fallen so far, they are really now in the more with North Korea, Iran and Zimbabwe.

Hector...the islands will never be Argentian, never have been. They were a colony as was Argentina, they aren't any more.

Stop embarrassing yourself and your country.
18 Raul (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
Excellent speech and reflection Timerman:

He also rejected the referendum to be held by the government of the Falkland Islands in the future in March, designed to emphasize that the islanders want to remain part of the British Overseas Territories. He said the referendum “is something that means nothing, because if you ask people who came with colonial colonial power and changed the people living in the islands, is like asking the British people of the Falkland Islands, if they want to remain British. ”

Timerman likened to request only new Jewish settlers in the occupied territories if they want to remain Israeli.
19 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
15 Pirat-Hunter

Oh yes, I forgot, we have to take you seriously don't we?

I mean after all, you have your finger firmly on the pulse of the average Argentinian don't you??

Living all the way up in Canada, as you do..................

20 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
Don't give them any ideas, ethnically cleansing what's left of their indiginous
population and forcing to live on the islands, right up their street.
21 Orbit (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
He's obviously had a very successful day convincing people of his ridiculous claims:

22 Xect (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
That's brilliant, if there was any doubt about Tinman being out of his depth then this resoundingly answers that question.

His blunders, lack of intelligent comment and ability to make a cohesive argument are one of the many reasons Argentina is in complete failure.

When you have people like this running your country, what hope is there?

Still..... he's very funny even if he doesn't realise the joke is on him!
23 golfcronie (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
Timerman pointed out that the number of Islanders who lived there for more than nine generations were tiny.
Does he mean that a person on the Island can live for 630 years ? If so when is the next flight. Or does he mean that they ( Islanders ) are pygmys
24 Trunce (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
An amusing summary in The Spectator, re Timermans Parliamentry encounter.

25 Idlehands (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
Hector's not happy:

26 Pirate Love (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
“Falklands will be under Argentine control within 20 years”,

so The Falklands have 20 years to change from a self determined prosperous successful democratic country into a colonized satelite state to a rampant failed dictatorship who controls its indigenous peoples as sub human scum with no UN human rights.....
and this would be in the best interests for the Falklands population???

i guess the only democratic humane way is to ask these people what they want,
oh by the way nice carriers the UK will have, which i do believe will be in service for a lot longer than 20 years :))
27 Alexei (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
And Hector will be living in a castle on the moon, and crowned king on the moon people.
28 ElaineB (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
Just had a report on Sky News. There will be a press conference at the Argentine Embassy tomorrow.

One MP attending the meeting at Parliament today described it as 'tense' and Hector's remarks as 'offensive'.
29 andy65 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
@ElaineB I am ashamed and proud both at once that we have freedom of speach but that we let a dreadful man like Timerman into our parliamant to spout such hatred.
30 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
I read another quote describing him as furious.
31 Beef (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
I would love to see his reference for his next job.

“He learnt to dig when he hit rock bottom”

“Had a six pack but lacked the plastic thing required to hold it together”
32 Vuggevise (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
Hector Imbecile
33 ElaineB (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
We should be proud we have free speech. Timerman just made a tit of himself. And refused, once again, to accept a letter from the FIG representatives. Every move he makes alienates people and shows him up as the twat he is.
34 XAVIERV (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
Timerman is wrong, not in 20 years .. It will be a little later, because every day that passes the islands have fewer people, the children go to school and do not come back again, just return visit for Christmas .. Argentinos just have to sit and wait, in a few years we will study the archaeological remains of the islanders.
35 BritishLion (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
Amazing, just astounding, he has washed away the human rights of those many generations of islanders as though they don't exist and never have done, he is barking mad. Tinman has just blundered along in his bubble of self belief on his mission thinking the whole world stands squarely behind him and his Nation. Things must be worse than we thought back home if they are that desperate to get media attention on the Falklands. He sounds no better than the Malvanist trolls we get on this forum like the demented Sussie. F**cking amazing, and he calls himself a diplomat. God help Argentina.
36 Clyde15 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
So we have the date of the next projected invasion by the peace loving Argentinians
37 Xect (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
From the article, Tinman says;

'I think we have a very good economic situation right now [so] we can face with much strength the issue of the Malvinas.”'

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA - Now I know for sure he's kidding.......
38 Conqueror (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
Dear Tinpotman, Did you know that your “country” has occupied the Islands for a grand total of 134 days since they were discovered. By the time your pitiful little colony rebelled against Spain, Britain had already occupied the Islands for 31,390 days. Of course, Britain claimed sovereignty over a different period. 16,790 days. Makes your 134 days look a bit sick, doesn't it? Tell us, dummy, is Canada not a country? However many resolutions there are, they are NON-BINDING. How about the BINDING resolution your country ignored? The referendum is most important, dummy. It will enable the people of the Falkland Islands to express their wishes. Britain will support those wishes, whatever it takes. And, no, Britain hasn't invaded argieland three times. At best once. And that was a naval blockade. Are you planning a long life, Tinpotman? Reckon you can make it to 260 years of age? Still won't be long enough! By the way, the Falkland Islands are a wonderful training area for all our armed forces. Look forward to seeing more of them. Lots of them!
39 Optimus_Princeps (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
I doubt the old moron will still be breathing in 2033. Seriously, does any sane person vote for these people? Most of the people that do can't even pronounce the word “sandwich” properly.
40 Alexei (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Useless little maggot, it's a shame he ran away and the junta didn't get him.

The one place in Britain that would listen to the prat and give him a voice is the Guardian, but read the comments on the Guardian website. Even the vast majority of Guardian readers can see through his whining bs, and call it as it is

The only people who will listen to malvinista losers like Timmerman are anti-British, poorly educated ignorant people, with a chip on their shoulder. Unfortunately there are far too many of those in the world. However, we're very experienced and adept at dealing with them.
41 Pirate Love (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
@29 ashamed? more like a blessing as this allows for nuggets like him to provide the much needed comedy in what would be otherwise a pretty norm day in the news. I would pay to see him live... what a scream :)

and lets face it without the likes of him how would The Falklands have got such worldwide publicity, all publicity is good it just depends on how you use it.

SELF-DETERMINATION....thanks timmerman, you are a legend!!!
42 andy65 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
@34XAVIERV Do you not find it strange that Organisations and people all come to the same conclusion, your country just tells LIES as written below where you my friend just live in a dream world.
Carry on Timerman you are doing wonders for your dream

“This was a meeting of parliamentarians and officials from both countries. I could only conclude that there can be no resolution of the Falklands dispute while Argentina persists with an approach that is dishonest, and not merely intellectually”
43 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
I don't know, I thought the comment about us becoming an isolationist state, was pretty revealing. The man is deffinately not firing on all cylinders.
44 Think (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse

As mentioned above, HE Mr. Hector Timerman said....:
I THINK the fanatics are not in Argentina but maybe in the United Kingdom.....

And I THINK they are using the people living in the Islands for political reasons and to have access to oil and natural resources......

I THINK we are not fanatical at all......

Think thinks...:
I THINK the fanatics are not in Buenos Aires but maybe in the United Kingdom.....

And I THINK they are using the people living in the Islands for political reasons and to have access to oil and natural resources......

I THINK we are not fanatical at all......

El Think.....;-)
45 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
The thing about encouraging free-speech and having a free parliament is that you can allow people to go there and give themselves so much figurative-rope that they hang themselves with it in front of a knowing and educated crowd.

This is effectively what he did, and we should encourage him to do it again. We should also encourage some other interesting characters to do the same, and talk about 'the success of their economy' or some other easily refutable lies.

Free-speech is good. Slaphead making threats is good.
46 jeffski (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
“Timerman said in a joint interview with The Independent and The Guardian newspapers that Argentina would not take military action but that Britain would be forced to compromise soon”

What a complete idiot, how does he think the UK will be forced into compromise?? This is outright threatening behaviour by a visiting diplomat, the mans a moron and should be escorted out of the country immediately for his provocative and aggressive behaviour. Hope the UK & FIG send a strong letter of complaint to the UN.
47 Leiard (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
@44 Herr Think
That was a lot of thought that came out as nothing, but maybe Hector should have thought a bit more before he made such a fool of himself.
48 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
Agreed, he walks in to mother of all parliaments and he treats it's members, who by definition have enormous egos and treats them like they are all idiots, rude to them and their exclusive club.
Next time any Falklands business comes on to the floor of the house, they are going to remember him, his behaviour and his words.
Loving this visit, he should have come here long before now, tell you what, let's have him back after the islanders hold their referendum. Organise some ticket events, love to see one of his gigs live.
49 Ayayay (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
...hmm. PEOPLE, not govs all around the world support Falklanders self-determination!! And a neutral committee to work on this, ecspecially considering they found the paper where Spain (which didn't own the Falklands 'gave' them to Uruguay FIRST!
50 commonsparrow (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
Alicia Castro promised more harassment.
“You wait and see.”
Harassment and intimidation. Hector and Alicia, we see what you are doing.
Wer nut as dum as u tink.
51 XAVIERV (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
Timerman tells lies? Maybe so. But it is without doubt that the lies you live too. They try to deny that British imperialism brought to these lands, they say nonsense to justify the unjustifiable! Simplify and there: In the nineteenth century who was a world power? Which country founded colonies all over the world to get raw materials? Nation that tried to invade Buenos Aires 3 times? There is only one answer: the British Empire!
So: are children of “British Colonial Empire”, in that Timerman sure no mistakes ..
52 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
@44 Think

I THINK somebody else, like La Campora, tells you what to say and which issues to argue.

Your positions are the same points exactly, as other Trolls, and NEVER a criticism of CFK or her administration.

53 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
@51 which lands are you talking about? The South Atlantic Islands which we possessed before your country existed?

The British invaded BA when it was a Spanish colony, before the colony was even Argentina, which in turn colonised Patagonia through genocide.

I think you're an uneducated liar. Get over it.
54 GFace (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse

“Timerman likened to request only new Jewish settlers in the occupied territories if they want to remain Israeli.”

More like asking the people of Czechoslovakia you stupid little fascist. Your ideological next of kin didn't think they (or Poland or Denmark or Belgium) had the right to self-determination either. You lot have learned nothing from history and you never change.
55 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
#50 you are right! you are much much dumber then anyone can ever imagine.
56 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
@54 Seems he showed his true fascist true colours in a meeting with the MPs.

Let's invite him back again and book a bigger audience chamber.
57 XAVIERV (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
@ 53
It mean to be educated? Saying the same nonsense that tells you? My education level is not your concern (I am a teacher in mathematics and also a student of Rights) tipa Your attitude is an “English” when they do not like what they read only disqualify the participant.
58 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse

Coming from you, that's a laff !!

Say hi to your mom and Cristu and the pigeons. Or did you cook them yet?
59 ElaineB (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
@41. Comedy indeed. Someone should turn up at the press conference tomorrow with a laughter track to play every time he speaks.
60 CJvR (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Timerman should stop binge drinking when he is abroad on official duties.
61 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
Children of imperialism, then what the hell is the rest of South America, where did they learn Spanish, from the Indians. Bloody stupid comments, don't realise how foolish they make themselves look!!!!
62 AzaUK (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
referring this artical to this one en.mercopress.com/2013/02/05/argentine-leaders-creative-lies-according-to-a-leading-italian-newspaper
63 Pugol-H (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
Well he seems to have covered everything.

We shall see if he can persuade the rest of the world that a group of people don’t have the same rights as everybody else, and therefore Argentina should be allowed to annex that territory, oh and a whole lot more besides, in fact one of the biggest land grabs in history.

And he calls us Colonialists!

And then there’s Patagonia annexed and implanted only 130 years ago.

Once a planter, always a planter.
64 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
Isn’t it nice that these magicians can make 20 year predictions,
And of course all their brain dead indocronoughts will jump on this, as another victory for CFK ,

But hey we can all predict cant we,
Have you silly Argies cottoned on to the fact your present day government wont be here in 20 years,
And most of you will be ashes in 20 years,

But as you seem to believe things, can we have a go,
We pridict
1, Argentina will break up into 3 provinces within 20 years,
2, tin man will be dead within 20 years,
3, cfk will be living in paradise in 20 years, [with your money]
4, Hollywood will make a film [who shot CFK]
5, the British will still be in the south atlantic….
65 slattzzz (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
@57 my arse you couldn't teach a hen to lay eggs, if your the standard of education in rgenweener no wonder there are all these half wit brainwashed idiots like you on here
@55 We will see in March won't we dickhead you'll be able to watch it on CANADIAN television and cry into your Moosemilk, anyway why are you posting links to a papaer that is reporting what Tinman said and nothing else, that doesn't mean they agree with him, just reporting what a dick he is.
@50 she couldn't harrass a fookin drinks trolley she's that thick
66 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Argentina's foreign minister refuses to speak to Falkland Islander
Argentina’s foreign minister has angrily refused to acknowledge a member of the Falkland Islands parliament when he attempted to speak to him in the Commons.
I told you all yesterday he would go to parliament,

He is making us look fools.
67 The Cestrian (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
The bloke is a fucking wanker and has crossed a line today. To walk into another country and disrespect it, including its parliament, is beyond the pale.

I just wonder what would have happened if William Hague had boogied into BA and said something similar.

It must surely be desperation now. Cringeworthy.
68 CJvR (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
I doubt you could count to 20 without taking your shoes off and just because you study doesn't automatically mean you actually learn anything.
69 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
Cringeworthy, but hilarious.
70 Vuggevise (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
@64 briton

Half of Argentina will be begging for the right to self-determine their way into the Falklands as British citizens :p
71 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
I would love to see him interviewed by Paxman! Or, by Sacha Baren Cohen! Great YouTube material....
72 The Cestrian (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
If the cunt wanted a reaction he's certainly got it from me. Fuck the wanker.
73 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
'Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman Angers MPs Over Falklands Claims'

'Argentina’s Foreign Minister compares the Falklanders to Israeli settlers'
74 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
44 Think

WOW!! I THINK that you forgot to THINK!!!

I know everyone has the right to be stupid. It's one of the founding charters of the UN.

You are now abusing that right and should stop now. Go back to your turnips and other odd shaped vegetables ok?

Leave the THINKing to the adults.
75 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
Paxman would eat this little man alive! Like all his peers, he's shit scared of facing a real journalist!
76 BenC30 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
Not quite sure if it was a security threat or a desperate attempt at attention seeking. How could he say that whilst in London? A person that foolish should not be attempting to even pretend to be anything worthy as Foreign Minister.

There is one thing we should have learned from this. Now we know why those in Westminster are keen to keep or replace the Trident Nuclear Deterrent. The second Argentina tries military action, La Casa Rosada should feel the full force of it.
77 golfcronie (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
Timerman is incredible, speaking for the whole world,or so he thinks.
What a diplomat, do not think he knows what diplomacy means.
Saddam Hussain had more diplomatic skills.
78 The Cestrian (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:55 pm
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79 Conqueror (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
@51 Uh, no. Britain didn't “try” to invade Buenos Aires three times. Britain made landings there twice. Not your concern. The place was Spanish!
@57 You should be proud of being a prat! Not many argies achieve that level. It's well beyond most of them.
80 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
And they have threatened more harassment,

Is this not incitement,
And is this not illegal under UK law,
he should be arrested, and humiliatingly thrown out
Some say the British are acting like gentlemen,
But enough is enough,
They are taking the piss, today the Gibraltar paper states [now] that a Spanish WARSHIP entered British waters, enough is enough,
Instead of running around Africa giving billions away,
He should be defending British territory more vigorously,
That’s all im saying.
81 Redrow (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
No mention on C4 news. They even had 5 mins for a Bionic man so it wasn't that they couldn't have squeezed him in had they been bothered. I am slightly intrigued though at what the Diplomatic Package is that is too good for us to refuse might consist of - a massive box of Ferrero Rocher Maybe?
82 BenC30 (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
@80. The Spanish economy is very similar to that of Argentina. The leaders of the respective countries use intimidation and international threats and actions to distract average citizens of how much trouble they are in. Both Spain and Argentina are in terrible financial trouble!
83 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
81 Redrow

Could be red noses or those comedy , water squirting flowers.

Knowing the sort of clubs he likes to visit, it will probably be a box of tandum, zero gravity condoms..............
84 Condorito (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
Sr Think:

“I THINK we are not fanatical at all.....”

The hundreds of “Malvinas Volveremos” slogans and paintings splashed across walls of every city in your fair country and the naming of public buildings Malvinas this and Malvinas that....would probably contradict your statement above when considered by an objective mind.
I saw Tango 1 on the tarmac when I when through SCL Sunday before last. I thought I made out the painted silhouette of the Falkland Islands on the tail-plane. Surely not that fanatical I thought, surely not. On closer inspection it seems it was only where paint was flaking off.
85 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
yes you are correct,
they are both finnished,
86 Redrow (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Exactly. A red nose and a big pair of clown shoes could actually increase his gravitas again given how shambolic his performances have been this week.

Right now though he's probably emptying the hotel minibar and toiletries into his diplomatic baggage as he might be able to trade them in the coming months. I wonder if he's regretting the trip yet?
87 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
Apparently he thinks that Argentina will become a very powerful force to be reckoned with, in 20 years,

They will dominate the whole of the Americas,
A new dawn in empire building as CFK lays the first building blocks.
And CFK and tin man gets married and lives happily ever after .lol

88 stick up your junta (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
I saw Tango 1 on the tarmac when I when through SCL Sunday before last. I thought I made out the painted silhouette of the Falkland Islands on the tail-plane. Surely not that fanatical I thought, surely not. On closer inspection it seems it was only where paint was flaking off.

Ouch! LOL
89 screenname (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
@18 Raul: If is is a good reflection and just, then apply it to Argentina. That the thing about Justice, you have to apply it universally, and Argentina would be the biggest loser with their own line of logic.

You see, like the Falklands, Argentina is a construct or Europeans. The difference is there was no one on th Falkands when the Europeans arrived, unlike that area of SA, which already had a population of REAL south americans. Now the fact that the area of south america that you call Argentina is governed by people that live in Argentina does not mean a great deal, by Argentinian logic, because 97% of you are an implanted population (by your own bizarre definition) and do not get a say in the matter.

So how about you let the real population have an election, and decide what to do with all the european userpers.

Then let's give it 20 years and see if they are bothered about having some europeans 250 miles away over the water(or even further, depending how many countries the REAL south americans decide to split the european construct Argentina into).
90 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
why not take him at his own words
if they cant get them withing 20 years,
then they signe to agree to leave them alone and fxuk offy.
91 slattzzz (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
From a guy on the Huffington Post and i quite agree
I'm quite convinced that he's the reincarnation of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf - the former Iraqi Information Minister who was known as Baghdad Bob (in the US) or Comical Ali (in the UK)...

He needs to be renamed: how does Humourous Hector sound?

We've already got the Argentine Ambassador Alicia Castro: Comical Alicia? Ambush Alicia?
92 Vestige (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:37 pm Report abuse
Man oh man how you folks rant in here, its like an angry circle ---k.
Can any of you stop calling names like 'tinman' hur hur hur and pointing to problems in Arg's economy, and maybe take one minute to look at this from the Arg side.
If not for the higher thinking part of you then even just to know your enemy's motives.
Now pick up your cider cans.
93 The Cestrian (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:37 pm Report abuse

Brilliant. LOL.
94 slattzzz (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
@93 Vestige you knob in a word NO, now trot on there's a good Spaniard, oops I meant rg
95 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
93 Vestige [your words]
and he is your man
92 sacharin = 3,000 retards are living in such frigid islands

pot kettle black.
96 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
Islas Malvinas Argentina is not negotiable, the brits can go be brits in UK, this message was made simple for stupid people to be hable to follow.
#58 you still stalking Homosexuals? Did you go meet Mr. Alex or are you still the same chicken sh!t all mouth no action little mama's boy? When ever you are ready to meet your maker go see Alex so he can tell you to your face that you are the sperm your mom should have swallowed.
#60 you should mind your own country when sticking your nose in min.
#65 the truth must be hurting you, do as all brits do when they don't like it, live in denial. Am surprised to have to tell you everything most british come up with their own moronic ideas.
#61 the slaves era is over you are free to go to UK anytime you wish, Islas Malvinas Argentina is not negotiable and sorry but no ! there is no Indians in Argentina to claim anything, but I am a native Argentina and I say british claim in Islas Malvinas have to go ASAP or let's build a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina to have a fair fight if that is really what UK wants. Or are you all still chicken sh!t.
#63 yea why doesn't UK gives their citizens self determination in UK, Irland or scotland lol, you people are worst then pests. I have more sympathy for a cacoroach.
1. I predict that withing 10 years of a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina UK will give up Islas Malvinas Argentina or collapse economically do to high cost of militarization of Antartica.
2. I predict that Argentina fishing industry and licensing to fish Malvinas will increase 100 folds do to theft by UK and our industry competing for sea food.
3. I predict that you will die lonely and sad as every other british.
97 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
@44 I am not fanatical as you know well by now but.... I'm deeply disappointed that, in an attempt to address jealous accusations of outrageous financial self interest such as yours, the UK Government gives legitimate UK wealth away to its colonists.

The Eastleigh by-election is already lost to this lame duck Government, what with this, the failure to overturn the hunting ban and with homosexual marriage being created as a legal state. Bah.
98 The Cestrian (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:47 pm Report abuse

Nuclear programme in Rg Land? Ha, ha, ho ho.

You'll have to negotiate the Us, China, USSR, UK, France etc for starters and then you can look forward to being a pariah state like NK or Iran.

99 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
The point is the Rgland won't exist in about 5 years if it continues as an international basket case. Your closest relations, the Spaniards and the Italians are both going broke and yet you stole from them and cheated them. You are defying the International money men. Your country is run by the Mafia and corrupt politicians who are filling their boots with whatever the can before slinking off abroad. Your police are corrupt, you can't go out at night for fear of being attacked robbed or killed. One quarter of the population is living on peasant Chinese wages. You need to wake up and sort the country out fast and not interfere with the peaceful law abiding islanders whose gentle and peaceful lifestyle you envy so much.

If things don't change in 5 years you could have UN troops in sorting things out. Look around you, get real. We are only trying to make you see the reality in your country for what it really is.
100 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
your hunting days are now over,
back to argie land with you, sharpish.
101 slattzzz (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
@97 so bentoverdover you've moved to Southampton now then, better legion there ?
102 Redrow (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
@93 Vestige

OK - I'll bite. They've been raised to believe that if they recovered the islands they would somehow be whole again. But this is romantic nonsense because Argentina's problem are largely internal and self-inflicted. And telling Argentinians that they will have the islands in less than 20 years is cruel and irresponsible. If they somehow did get full sovereignty and the right to colonise the islands then it would make no practical difference to the average Argentinian life. In contrast, should their diplomats hit the reboot button they would find that dealing quietly and responsibly with the outside world gets you a lot more respect and a much friendlier hearing.
103 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Even the Italians call them liars.
Italian newspaper has published a very critical piece on Argentina
And the world doesn’t trust en either.

104 j_j (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
Spain and Argentina are not as bad as the USA.
how about the USA with 16 TRILLON dollars DEFICIT!
105 slattzzz (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
@104 the difference is the US economy can handle it Rgenweeners and Spains CAN'T
106 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
In 20 years the Falklands will be rich, and still affiliated to the UK..and still ignoring Argentina.
107 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
This statement is false,

The previous statement was true,

Learn Argies learn.
Gulp gulp.lol.
108 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
#77 if Saddam diplomatic skill are anything like the WMD I guess you should rethink what you wrote.
#82 did you know that meat till is the main dinner plate in Argentina, not hot dogs or burgers, pure lean 100 % fresh Argentina beef, sorry maybe you get your info from animation and cartoons.
#89 i was born in Argentina not every son of Europeans is is a son a bit!tch. Argentine's are good people when compared to our english friends in the north. We stop killing native years ago in Canada we are still killing them. Thatsnwhy Ottawa was being run down by natives last week.
109 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
92 Vestige

Eeeerrrrr no we can't!!! The Argentine position is utterly, utterly indefenceable. They are a load of bullies and the only way to deal with bullies is to b*tch slap them until they squeal......

Let me ask:- If someone wanted your house, your land, your village, not because it was theirs, but just because they wanted it... how would you treat them?

And Laughing boy Timerman... His political career should now be over and I for one am looking forward to the day that KFC / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy is found sitting in an alleyway, all her worldly posessions in a carrier bag, and talking to buildings.
110 j_j (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
the USA can “handle” the economy borrowing more money from third world countries? See the USA Debt CLOCK!
111 screenname (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:11 pm Report abuse
@96 Pirat-Hunter: The land you call Argentina is not negotiable, the latins can go be latins in south west Europe, this message was made simple for stupid people to be able to follow
112 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
The Falkland Islands will belong to argentina in about 20 years?

You've got two hopes, - And one of them's Bob.

113 slattzzz (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
@108 well go home then you sponging twat stop spending money with the Queens head on it. Well I guess from your statement you have now admitted to killing all those natives I bet Mr Tinman will be very proud of you
How do you know about RG eating RG 100% beef you've never fookin been there. Stop posting shite and making yourself out to be an idiot...........whoops too late!!!!!!!!!!!!! You'll be asking for a nuclear defence programme built in rgenweener next.....whoops too late!!!!!
114 Medea (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
”There is not one single country in the world which supports the right of the United Kingdom to govern over the Malvinas. Not one.”

115 Vestige (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:24 pm Report abuse
95 - Briton. I hold no responsibility for '91'. just as I don't assess you by '94'.

(who calls me rg etc, but doesn't know my nationality)
(cider can for that man)
116 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
Argentina is fast becomming a nobody.
117 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
@ slattzzz;
Aye, - I noticed pirat-hunter was using a 'querty' keyboard before.

Hey pirat-hunter - What are you doing in the UK?

I think you should call these people www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/contact/report-crime/

And ask them if its ok for you to be a parasite in our country.

By the way, I think I will actually give them a call, perhaps they can find out your name, and e-mail address, and the IP address you are at in the UK.

No doubt you know a number of argentinians there who are illegal like yourself.

Tell me I'm wrong pirat-hunter - Tell me I'm wrong.
118 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
115 Vestige
fair enough.
119 slattzzz (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
@115 I don't care what nationality you are all I know is you talk shite ;)
120 Vestige (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
a gentleman and a scholar.
121 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
Abrupt perhaps slattzzz, - But to the point.
122 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
#98 I don't think we claim to build a nuclear deffense programs 100% made in Argentina if we go asking any nation for anything, look up the definition of 100% I am sure it means completely.
#109 the same way we Argentines treat british illegal aliens, lol was that a trick question? Or the usual english comedy?
#111 coming from british son of a retard imagine how serious we take you all. LOL after 100 years you seriously think we forgot what the english colonists wanted ever since 1807? No sir we dont forget and as you can see we will never forget the filthy brits, and that's why we support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina, thats all you need to know.
123 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile back on blogg,

Mr Cameron may ask mr Holland, if the foreign legion would like to conduct exercises
In Patagonia next year,
As Britain’s claim for the territory crawls through the UN galleries.

So they say ?/

peace gentlemen.
124 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
Seriously P-H, - Whens the last time you had a phsyciatric evaluation?

I'm being serious here.
125 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
122 Pirat-Hunter
As you seem obsessive with nuclear weapons,
And this 100% clause,

Please, as you are so informed, could you supply me with the list of ingredients you would need to make a nuclear bombe?
And to become a nuclear power,
Please list them in alphabetical order,
That way we can see at a stroke, if indeed Argentina produces all the required ingredients to acquire this mythical arsenal.

126 slattzzz (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
@122 Yawn Yawn don't you ever get sick of making yourself look an idiot. And stop the WE bit you live in CANADA, if you had any decency at all you'd stop talking about Argentines as WE, because you clearly have no clue what they are going through from your haven in CANADA
127 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Ops - Sorry P-H - This is for you....

128 fortynine (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
UK PM Ca-Moron was wearing glasses this morning when Joe Biden met him to discuss the situation in Siria and Mali!
Poor britons...
129 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
You spelt his name wrong, - It's spelt Cameron.

(sorry, the Ca-Moron thing is just childish)
130 fortynine (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
that's how he is called in the USA! Ca-MORON!
131 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
you dont like men who where glasses then.
132 screenname (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
@122 Parrot-Junta says:'...british son of a retard ... after 100 years you seriously think we forgot what the english colonists wanted ever since 1807'

That would be over 200 years retard. Learn to count.

@108 Parrot-Junta says#89 i was born in Argentina... Argentine's are good people ... We stop killing native years ago”

Thank you for admiting Argentinians are not native to the land known as Argentina, and that natives still exist (and I would guess would like their land back).

I think that little slip of the tongue shows you to be the retard. Well done.

Now if the last european out of Argentina could hand over the keys to the natives, that would be great.
133 reality check (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
According to Sky news Titman skipped out on a scheduled press conference outside the House of Commons. No suprises there then.
134 briton (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
we will not forget the insults=
the islanders will not forget the insults,

and you will never ever get the islands,
so soddy offy
135 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
In 20 months KFC AND Tinman will be gone. Argentina will be a failed state officially. The world will pull the plug and the KFC regime will collapse and her cronies will scuttle off abroad to live off their corrupt proceeds. The problem of the Falklands will recede into oblivion whilst Argentinians struggle to find enough to eat, whilst the Mafia takes over. In a few years the UN will step in to control the civil war. it will make Mexico look like a kindergarten
136 Xect (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Ah fortynine (I suspect someone is named after their IQ).

No such thing exists except in your little head.......

I see we have a bunch of further fake alias's to pretend to support Argentina, all by the same person with the same atrocious spelling it would seem.
137 scottbart (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
This guy is funny, it like he keeps saying it enough to conivince himself, the truth is most of the world doesnt give a shit about the islands and certainly does see a poor argentine victim here

The 180 years of peace, lol, illegal murders and rapists removed in 1833 and an illegal invasion in 1982.

Last time it was end of the century and they will get them back, his time scales are changing, he better hurry the new aircraft carriers will be ready soon!
138 Think (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:44 pm Report abuse
(97) Mr. McDod

1) UK Tory Government giving ulegitimate UK wealth away to its colonists.

2) UK Tory Government fails to overturn the hunting ban.

3) UK Tory Government accepting homosexual marriage as a legal state.

Must be hell to be a Tory nowadays.....

My sympathy ;-)
139 Doveoverdover (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
@138 Sr Think. Thank you for your concern. Just one correction, though: Delete Tory Government insert Coalition Government.
140 Pete Bog (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
“Falklands will be under Argentine control within 20 years”, Timerman tells UK media”

You got the confidence to place a bet on that ?

In pounds please not your worthless wendyhouse currency, I'm willing to bet against that (pity the odds will be crap).

When Timerman you return to planet Earth , you will realise that in 20 years the Falklands are likely to be independent and still protected by the UK who will be a major trading partner.

Nice one slagging off the Israelis, by the way, when your best fighters are, Israeli built 'Fingers.'

Appropriate for old Tinman that the forthcoming referendum will shortly give him another type of finger.
141 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
@Escuses Doido, Screenname,

PH has some real mental problems as well as having trouble reconciling his bi-sexual lifestyle choice with his racist and homophobic Argentine heritage.

So I don’t like homos, just a matter of preference really. I am not homophobic, how can I be when I am bisexual. I just don’t like the effeminate pansy gays.“

Escoses, PH ALEX VARGAS seems to live in Canada, in the Toronto area. He does not travel as he is likely an illegal - I'll use that Immigration Fraud info to report him.

What little he knows about Canada is far more than what he really knows about Argentina. He believes everything La Campora tells him LOL!!


”#82 did you know that meat till is the main dinner plate in Argentina, not hot dogs or burgers, pure lean 100 % fresh Argentina beef, sorry maybe you get your info from animation and cartoons.“

Can you believe that he thinks that is true?
The only ”meat“ he and other La Campora thickee thugs are getting is a mouthful of ”sausage” from Maximo , LOL LOL !!!
142 Musky (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:28 pm Report abuse
Tinman must have been misquoted, he must have meant 2000 years!
143 Shed-time (#) Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
@142 he was slurring under the influence of too much booze. You'd be amazed at what a drunkard would say in front of a room full of MPs.

Making up some nebulous time frame, just outside of the reach of his political career in order to garner some kind of home support when their own politicians are being heckled and booed in the street is a bit obvious.

Best just give him some time on the naughty step to calm down.
144 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:00 am Report abuse
I wonder what Tinman will come up with next :)
145 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:03 am Report abuse
@130 fortynine:
To quote you, 'that's how he is called in the USA! Ca-MORON!'

What does that even mean?

The majority of Americans could not tell you the name of the British PM at any given time.
Trust me on that, I have very many American work mates.

So your outburst, is your opinion alone I'm afraid.

Cameron is a Scots name, which only a few hundred years ago was one of the most powerful Clans in Scotland.

Look at Scotlands influence in the forming of your country, the USA.

George Washington, - Where was his folks from?
Father of the American Navy - John Paul Jones - A Scotsman.

Many others too.
146 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:16 am Report abuse

I'm thinking that “fortynine” is likely “Sussie”, almost as mentally-ill as Pirat-hunter ALEX VARGAS.

You're right, no average American would know who Cameron is, let alone, have developed a common derogatory nickname for him.

Sussie has often claimed to live in the US, but all his claims have proven to be fake.
He often claims to speak for USA Americans, but knows nothing about them.
147 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:31 am Report abuse

Reminds me, my walking boots will look like that if I keep forgetting to dubbin them....
148 Islander1 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:44 am Report abuse
Raul - what an idiot! My great great grandfather came here in 1845 of his OWN FREE WILL - he paid for a ticket on a ship to come and settle in a land where there was NEVER an indigenours people - and where the others already there were also there of their OWN FREE Choice. No civilians had been deported or forced to leave.
Now how does that make me an implant? Please explain.
Oh - and Uk does not govern the Islands - our elected govt here governs the Islands - Uk only controls defence and foreign affairs.

Xav- as ever in cloud cuckoo land! Out population is INCREASING - and our young people who go overseas to study and get university and College degrees- they RETURN! Simple - email our Education dept and they will give you the numbers

20yrs - well some Arg said that years ago it would happen by 2000 - that was 13 years ago and the 2 flags that fly here are not just blue and white!
149 Falkland Islands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:04 am Report abuse
@122 the Prat that's why we support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina
that's why we support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina
that's why we support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina

Bloody parrot! Argentina can't arrange a pissup in a brewery, not alone playing with atoms.
150 Orbit (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:07 am Report abuse
Wonder if Timerman has been sent here to fail ? The inevitable outcome of his presence was always going to result in ridicule. Maybe for once CFK is thinking one move ahead, knows his intellect wouldn't cope when people are allowed to answer back, and needs a fuse between her and the failure to deliver on the ultimate pet project ?

Might explain why she has been busy democratising justice (can't wait for that one, got beer and popcorn ready) instead of vocalising support for Hector?
151 Lord Ton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:41 am Report abuse

Memories of carlos Menem in 1992 :-)
152 GFace (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:12 am Report abuse
@150 Ya know.. after seeing CFK unprofessionally throwing him under the bus for his rather trivial oopsie with the Vietnam visit, you might think that.

Trouble is this regime is so unapologetically tone deaf as to how their fascist and rights-denying rhetoric is received, that when he comes back they (and he) will be sure that the visit was a 100% success and triumph. They're just that embubbled and that clueless.

Then will come March. If things really go pearshaped I suspect they ~will~ make him a convenient fall guy. But I doubt they think anything wrong will go wrong with their cunning little plan.
153 simona68 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:20 am Report abuse
troy tempest tender testicles
she is an USA citizen. She gave her address to my husband, remember Simon aka Zhivago?
154 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:30 am Report abuse
#123 with all the threats coming from politicians and the british public alike, Argentina would be wise to build a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina.
#124 1998, and it was a waste of tax payer dollars in a ghost chase, I am also being honestly serious.
#125 you can start here. books.google.ca/books?id=YSih4JkUBesC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=yellow+cake+argentina+uranium&source=bl&ots=rxyiBGAyZ9&sig=D4l3NkAPyQ8_9Hlql4IdJ_wq98E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oKMRUcDVJKT90gGFhIAY&redir_esc=y
#126 we Argentine means we agree to disagree with the english culture, freedom of speech is universal isn't it ? Being a foreigner doesn't seem to stop you people from imposing your ignorance to Argentine subjects.
#127 whom am I reporting? Use it and use it wisely.
#128, #129, #130 caMoron with capital M sounds about right.
#132 retard? Poor boy is that the most sofisticated insult a britard son of a retard can concoct in 2013? Your future looks bleak, when they hand out the imaginary key you talk about let me know I am going there to collect it.
#134 if you know where your things are they aren't lost or are they? Justice comes to us all in the most surprising ways.
#135 that's why smart Argentine would support a nuclear defence program 100% made In Argentina.
#136 we are nothing like the brits.
#137 a floating target for a lucky submarine, a surprise visit could put most out of commission for a long time. Don't forget to sleep with one eye open, tic, tic, tic,bèeeeeeeep.
#141 you seem to think stalking people and predatory homosexuality is OK but its against the law. Get your act together or you will end up in jail, if you aren't institutionalized yet, and I predict that you will be soon.
#146 I bid anything Sussie didn't like you pv's stalking her neither. Am telling you its nothing to be proud of.
#149 it's fine if UK doesn't want a nuclear defence program but that doesn't mean we can't support one in Argentina.
155 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:52 am Report abuse

ALEX VARGAS defending “Sussie” - a mentally-ill homophobe 'bi-sexual' defending an attention-whore pederast !!!!
LOL !!

ALEX , do you know what a pederast is ?? Get Sussie to show you!

156 LEPRecon (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:46 am Report abuse
@154 - PH

I love the fact that you keep banging on about your 100% Argentine nuclear defence programme.

It's amusing. It's very amusing, because Argentina is treading water fast, and keeps sinking under the waves. They're too busy trying to keep from drowning to care about your deluded plans.

Just to develop your nuclear weapons programme would bankrupt Argentina for the next 100 years. Plus we all know that any money the government would put towards 'developing' such a weapon would magically disappear, just like the US$2 billion investment in Argentina's airline did.

All of it sitting in various off-shore bank accounts of CFK and her cronies.

With the rampant corruption is Argentina, they will be lucky to build on new military vessel, let alone develop a completely new weapons system.

Keep dreaming Alex, because like your claims to the Falklands, it's just a fantasy.

Just like Mr Timerman's claims that the Falklands would be under Argentina's rule in 20 years time, a fantasy, said to try and distract the people who live in Argentina (not you though is it Alex), who are increasingly not giving a damn about the Falklands as they are too busy trying to survive from day to day.

There is a greater chance that Argentina will cease to exist in 20 years than in it ever gaining sovereignty over the Falklands.
157 scottbart (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:57 am Report abuse
154 Pirat-Hunter (#)
what use would nuclear weapons be to argentina be in this matter? If you nuked the islands would they be useless to you? Or do you think you would nuke the UK? You would need submarines that would be able to avoid the new astutes and that would cost £billions also if you succeeded do you think that the whole of europe would be pissed off with the nuclear fallout landing on their land?
You talk of justice, how about a country that owns vast amounts of land bullying a small group of people 300miles away for their land that have been settled since before you were even called Argentina, is this justified.

You miss the point about modern laws and practices, it does even matter if Argentinas versionof history is true, the fact is, it isnt the modern day islanders fault if it were and 180 years is too late.

It reminds me of that girl that locked up in a guys house and abused for most of her life, he was going to get caught and killed himself, his home and belongings were given to the girl because that is all she had ever known and was all be it wrongly, her home, i hope she sold and moved on etc. But my point is this is all the islanders have ever known and who is Argentina to try to take it away?
158 Ozgood (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:27 am Report abuse
Just think what the Falklanders would have to look forward to under Argentine rule.

Rampant inflation (25% or more)
A moribund economy
A dishonest government

This will not happen in the foreseeable future
159 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:04 am Report abuse
Which of the Malvinista Muppets on here run the @HTimerman Twitter account? It has the spelling mistakes and grammar of Gustbury. The same user tweets as Luis Vernet and also had a twitter account in the name of Alicia Castro - until the Argentine embassy heard about it, complained about it and asked Twitter to shut it down - which they did.
160 Clyde15 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:19 am Report abuse
You seem to think that changing the name of Cameron to Ca-Moron is highly amusing. OK childish, but that is how you come across
Kirchner. How about if I remove one letter from this name--say the letter R. This would come out as Kichner which on Scot's gaelic would mean a pile of shit !!!!
Shall I continue to use this , no, I am an adult.

I have wondered for a while who Timerman reminds me of. It came to me last night - DOPEY from the Walt Disney film of Snow white and the Seven Dwarfs !
Take of his glasses and he is a dead ringer !
161 The Chilean perspective (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
Why does everything that comes out of Argentine officials mouths sound like it belongs in a stand up comedy routine?
They desperately need to get serious, I feel sad for the Argentine people since it looks like they are being taken on a road to nowhere by these clowns. On another note it seems like the people might be getting to the end of their tether specially with kicillof's and Boudou's little encounters.
162 row82 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
Please support this page - Falklands Forever British - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls - www.facebook.com/truthfk
163 Ozgood (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
It's a shame that the Chamberlain government never adopted the same attitude, as HM Government has now to the Argentine government, to that nasty Austrian corporal in 1938. They handed Czechslovakia into the hands of a brutal dictatorship and Chamberlain did not want to know any more about the affairs of a distant central European country about which the said they knew nothing - not that Argentina presents a clear and present danger.
164 War Monkey (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
@160 Clyde15 (#)
Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:19 am

Well yes but no. To be fair I automatically think of KFC when I think of their president. I know it is childish but you've got to laugh haven't you?
165 simona_69 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:11 pm Report abuse
@155 troy tempest aka yankeeboy aka kelperabout
MERCOPRESS is nothing more than SHIT WEB SITE for THE BRITISH to demostrate their dislike of Argentina and argentinians!
Who cares?
The fact that Mercopress don't updated their web site to DELETE offensive words means that is direct it as the british wants:
166 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
For you lot to implode, not much longer now.
167 Escoses Doido (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
Why are you shouting simona?
168 scottbart (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
@165 simona_69 (#)
You finally get it then? That the UK and falklanders wont give it to your ridiculous claims of ownership!

Then why is the argentine governemt still going on then? It is now at the stage where you would use military force, argentina have ruled that out, so shut the fuck now then!! because your whining wont change a thing!
169 agent999 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
sussie timerman it must be past your bed time.
170 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
answer the question,
and supply the list please.

you argies may just have pushed to far.

and you will surley rue the day.
171 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
#155 I am not defending anyone, in fact I was telling you and your brutish friends that no one likes stalkers, predatory homosexuality or perverts, sound to me you are on their side, in any case in the words of BF skinner I can assure you sussie's life style is merely a condition not a choice, pederas is not in my vocabulary, please enlighten us,
#156 freedom of speech and democracy is better then a nuclear defence program but you have to follow the lead or you get dropped behind in this world. A nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina will create many jobs, money flow, tax returns, demand on products and an energy independent Argentina. See how a nuclear defence program improve the life of the community it depends on, and they pay lots of taxes if you look at their income range. A word of advise burn your micro economic book and get yourself a macro economic book. You might also want to pick up a busyness statistics book and a local stock market traders book. Enjoy.
#157 a 100% made in Argentina nuclear defence program will force UK to invest in more weapons and ships causing a rock in the middle of the ocean to pay for food and arms while Argentina brings itself to the new international defence standards. And it will convince UK that diplomacy is better sooner rather then later. I predict that as soon as an Argentine defence ministers mentions a nuclear DEFENSE program, diplomats will fly in from all over the world to Argentina, Lol no longer sitting out in the halls of another nations capital waiting for some corrupt idiot hiding behind papers.
#157 and who is UK to take that away from Argentina when we did allow for Brits to live there, you ever heard the term, you have overstayed your welcome, now you know. And its fine if you don't want UK to build nukes but we Argentines feel we must build a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina to stop our land from being illegally occupied.
172 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:23 pm Report abuse

“#155 I am not defending anyone, in fact I was telling you and your brutish friends that no one likes stalkers, predatory homosexuality or perverts, sound to me you are on their side, in any case in the words of BF skinner I can assure you sussie's life style is merely a condition not a choice,”

Please explain your condition or choice, then.
173 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:47 pm Report abuse
122 Pirat-Hunter
As you seem obsessive with nuclear weapons,
And this 100% clause,

Please, as you are so informed, could you supply me with the list of ingredients you would need to make a nuclear bombe?
And to become a nuclear power,
Please list them in alphabetical order,
That way we can see at a stroke, if indeed Argentina produces all the required ingredients to acquire this mythical arsenal.

174 scottbart (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
171 Pirat-Hunter (#)

Yes a nuclear program would create an idustry but it is very expensive and the people forget about decomissioning, it cost billions and takes years. All this green energy stuff is bullshit it just doesnt have the capicity to feed 65 milllion people, i only ever see green energy giving 10% of any nations power. Nuclear is the only way i feel

I dont think argentina becoming nuclear would be of much concern to the UK military as the UK already has nuclear weapons and wouldnt need to race argentina to develope them.

I dont think Argentina would nuke the islands either, what would that achieve?

A concern to the UK would be argentina having a modern air force and submarines with cruise missles and things like that.
175 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
all we have to do is send
2 packets of custard creams
2 packets or oreos,
and the latest flat top,
1 cream cracker,
and you argies are eaten..lol
176 simona_68zhivago (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
keep such crap in your stinky british arse!
177 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:34 am Report abuse
#172 I don't have the time to educate ignorant, I expected the brutsh education system to deal with that.
#173 did you go to school with #172? Sounds to me you know little about nothing.
#174 in a modern world of sticks and carrots a nuclear defence program will provide Argentina with a stick. Not to mention energy independence, it just makes good busyness sense, the extra energy can lower the cost of production, and the saving on cost can bring forth lower and more competitive prices, if you did a balance sheet for two busyness that sold and produced the same products, you will see that the energy cost of production is about 20 to 40% more in Argentina then the energy % cost in developed nations not considering industrialization or high tech processes, the saving on energy alone can be the component that turns a third world natural resources rich nation into a #1 world class economy, I don't think Argentina will use the stick neither but you must agree that it is useful to have them. Why do you think everyone is getting one or have one?
#175 Oreo, is that cocoa planted in UK lol or do you still theft it from Africa? Does, (thy shall not steal) mean anything to you ?
#176 well said you must be psychic.
178 scottbart (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:52 am Report abuse
177 Pirat-Hunter (#)
NO need to be rude, none of my comments were rude to you.

im confused as to why you think argentina should go down a nuclear route and why it should twist the arm of the UK to leave the islands undefended and leave the argentines to force the islanders out of their homes again?

Also why is Timerman calling the people born on Islands Argentine? What does that mean? If argentina get the Islands would kick everyone out who wasnt born there out? This is starting to sound like a certain German guy isnt it?
179 axel arg (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
The article is excelent, however it's necesary to say also that in a small interview that he gave for our public television, he said that if the u. k starts to respect u. n's resolutions, the islands will be under argentine sovereignty within 20 years.
Although i don't agree with some of timerman's opinions in relation to this question, i must recognize that he's a great chancellour.
He committed some omisions when he mentioned the british occupation of the islands in 1833. Actualy not all the population was expealed, but all those who wanted to be taken to buenos aires, with commander pinedo, who was deprived by onslow of exercising our sovereign rights over the islands.
On the other hand, i must recognize that i feel so ashamed every time i heard some of our politicians saying that the right to self determination is not applicable for the islanders, because they are not an originary population, that's a hipocrite argument, because most us aren't originary populations either. If the right to self determination is not applicable for the islanders, it's because argentina was deprived from the islands in 1833, and the u. k. has never let it to exercise it's legitimate sovereign rights.
Beside, a lot of ignorant people in this forum who know so little about our constitution, recur to the genocide that the argentine state committed when it occupied the patagonia, with the purpose of manifesting that argentina's claim over the islands is hipocrite. However, what many of you ignore is that our const. includes the claims and the rights of the originary populations, which is a true historic reparation. That's something that the u. k. has never made for arg., for having deprived it from the archipelago cowardly in 1833, the same cowardice of the argentine military invasion of 1982, anyway i know perfectly that it won't make it, because unfortunatelly, like it or not, such an admirable nation like the u. k., in some aspects still behaviours like the same thief of XIX century.
180 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
like susy he is rude because he is weak, his country is weak,
they have nithing , he has nothing ,
they are both losers,
so they insult, trying to make themselves big,

but in fact it makes them a very soppy pair .
181 scottbart (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
@179 axel arg (#)
I think Argentina need to leave the past behind, you cannot start applying todays opinions and laws with 180 years ago, here in the UK 180 years ago children were hung or imprisoned for stealing a loaf of bread or an apple because they were starving, outrageous now isnt it!

The fact remains that there isnt much historical proof or documents for either case really, when you look at it France and Spain could still claim but they dont. The channel islands are much closer to France than the UK but France dont try to claim them.

There is no more colonisation in the world, but we have to live with the aftermath, the UK doesnt have an issue giving the ill gotten lands back and has done decades ago. Argentina only started trying their luck after WW2, when the UK started giving back land.

The borders of coutries in the world were frozen after WW2 and for good reason, because if you start turning back the clock the worlds countries would look very different, there has to be a time when a line is drawn.

Im not sure what argentina are trying to do with this policy of causing as much trouble as possilbe for the UK, they dont have the military capability to escalate the matter further and it is making argentina look silly. Most countries are probably bored of hearing about the windswept rocks now after all there no benefit to them now matter who owns them.

I think Christina is pushing this very hard but I think her mind is clouded and she just trying to follow her dead husbands dream. Is she damaging to argentina?
182 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
its all about the riches from the OIL .
183 axel arg (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
I respect your opinion, however, accept it or not, if arg. and the u. k. are called to resume the negotiations by the u. n., and find a peaceful solution, it must be respected by both nations. One posible solution, could be the secret proposal treated between arg. and the u. k. in 1974, which was based on a shared administraton, which was read by c. f. k. before the u. n. in june 14th 2012. If the u. k. doesen't agree with that, then it should search another solution with arg., which respects the wishes of the islanders, and argentina's sovereign rights.
184 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.

185 DiWhittle (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
I hope with all my heart NEVER the falklanders AND Falkland be part of Argentina. Argentina government destroy everything they touch.
I love to see Falkland build and progress, this is something Argentinian do not know, because they do not respect others and believe all the stupid stuffs from the government. Is a shame to me to be born in this country, something I can not fix.
186 scottbart (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 12:01 am Report abuse
@179 axel arg (#)
no worries mate.
Your right, in 1974 i think the UK government were trying to get rid of the islands because they didnt want the expense of keeping them, this isnt an admission that argentina have a owenership case. The islanders protested and thats when the UK broke off the talks and shortly after argentina invaded.

I do recall that the Argentine forces were told not to kill any of the few soldiers that were there, which they suceeded in doing, i think ? A bigger issue is they were forcing the unarmed people out of their houses at gun point, this wont be forgotten.

The problem now is that the past invasion has changed the situation, it cannot be ignored. Argentina didnt respond to binding UN resolutions then and surely they shouldnt now be preaching about non binding UN ones to the UK?

The modern world is now that people decide what they want, if Scotland want out of the UK they will get it, if Gibraltar want to be part of Spain they will have it. Chechnya wanted freedom to do what they want and fought for against a mighty enemy and won, it shows that you cant force your will on people these days.

If the war hadnt happened and argenina were less agressive, i think alot of argenines could be on the islands right now if they wanted and would probably want freedom of their own right now, the Islands will split from the UK completly one day, imho

I remember reading an Argentine soldiers account of his time there and after the initial joy of capturing something he had thought was part of argentina. He thought it was horrible windy cold place were he wouldnt want to live and it was nothing like his homeland and nothing of Islands showed anything remotely Argentine. He picked up a nail on the road and it said “made in England” he looked around and thought, “Who are the invaders” he then thought to himself, “i am the invader here.”

It is difficult to see a solution that will please all here, and that usually ends in force which it already has.
187 Clyde15 (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 10:07 am Report abuse
“and argentina's sovereign rights.”having deprived it from the archipelago cowardly in 1833
This is your problem. You keep quoting this as Holy Writ, as if it is indisputable
Our point of view is that you have no right to sovereignty, so, this cannot form any part of dialogue unless the Islanders wish it.

I do recall that the Argentine forces were told not to kill any of the few soldiers that were there, which they suceeded in doing, i think ?

The government MAY have said this but the invading troops acted differently.

QUOTE from the attack on Moody Brook given by Royal Marines
It is my contention that the attack on Moody Brook Barracks was nothing less than an attempt to get the drop on the Royal, by killing them all as they slept.
Moody brook was attacked and trashed in a classic attack to kill everyone in there. I visited moody brook a few weeks :) later and it had all the signs of a firefight albeit a one sided one. I know major Norman he is a no nonsense down to earth sort of bloke, he moved 8901 out as no doubt because if he was attacking he would had gone for the Det first as well.

Maybe the Argies. have tried to sanitise the invasion by twisting the facts but these are quotes from Royal marines who were there.
188 lsolde (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
@183 Axel,
But thats the whole problem for you, Axel.
Argentina DOES NOT HAVE ANY SOVEREIGN RIGHTS in the Falklands.
Ergo, your whole case collapses.
Try to have a nice day, anyway.
189 scottbart (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
187 Clyde15 (#)
Thanks for that, very interesting.
190 Terence Hill (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
179 axel arg

“and argentina's sovereign rights.”

This is the impartial rational view of Argentines legal claim.

Developments in International Law Vol 40: The Falklands/Malvinas Case |Roberto C. Laver

84/ Breaking the Deadlock

A few scholars take the position that Argentina never acquired more than an “inchoate” title over the islands, suggesting that “when Argentina claimed and subsequently occupied the Islands and established a settlement there, she acquired a de facto sovereignty and an inchoate claim to sovereignty based on expectancy. Argentina attempted to perfect her claim but was prevented from doing so by both the United States and England.”74 ... ...proponents of this line of reasoning argue that administrative control over the islands by Vernet was weak and that there was no exercise of state functions by Argentina regarding the islands. It has also been argued that the process of Argentina's achievement of independence was not concluded in either in 1820 or 1832, due to the fact that it had not been formally recognized by Spain. Therefore Argentina could acquire at best a temporary title to the islands, and British actions in 1832 prevented it from perfecting that title.

86/ Breaking the Deadlock

Could an act of force, such as Britain's seizure of the islands in 1833, constitute a legal basis for title to territory? And if so, under what conditions? Britain has understandably never officiallv advanced the concept that the islands were acquired by conquest or subjugation, which would implicitly admit that the 1833 occupation was an act of pure force.
There are, however, scholars, such as Greig, who support a British title on the basis of conquest or subjugation. As he explains, conquest without any act of formal annexation has been accepted as a basis for title by a majority of writers, though some authors have distinguished the military act of conquest from the legal act of subjugation, which requires annexation or the long exercise of governmental
191 axel arg (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
As i said in others comments, i understand that for many of you the invasion of 1982 ordered by the criminal junta that roled arg. in that moment, is your best excuse to reject the negotiations, however, you should realise that since 1983 arg. is a democracy. On the other hand, if arg. and the u. k. are called by the u. n. to resume the negotiations, it should be respected by both nations.
If we want to discuss about something so complicated like politic issues are, it's necesary to have intellectual honesty, otherwise, we'll be parroting propaganda.
The paragraphs dated by terence are very interesting, in fact, i have always thought that the case has strong and weak aspects for both parts of the conflict.
Our sovereign rights have always been legitimate, due to they were based on the sucession of states, which is applied to all the emancipatted colonial territories, beside, although spain had never ceaded any sovereign right to the u. p., our country had right to declare it's independence, and occupy the territories which were under the jurisdiction of the viceroalty.
In the case of the u. k., i have always thought also that perhaps the u. k. had right to occupy the islands, in virtue of it's occupation of port egmont between 1766 and 1774, or in virtue of the secret article that had been included in the nootka sound convention, signed in 1790 between spain and the u. k., however, if it had any sovereign right over the islands, it should have negotiated a solution with the u. p., or share the sovereignty with it, instead of depriving our country of exercising it's sovereign rights, that was a totally coward act, the same cowardice used by the criminal junta, when it ordered to invade the islands, and take advantage of the vulnerable situation of the islanders.
192 scottbart (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 09:01 am Report abuse
the nootka document was signed with Spain and not argentina and includes reference to any 3rd party. There was alater ducment signed by Argentina which states there were no issues between the 2 nations. Spain didnt have all rights to islands
The UN is always going to say “sit down and talk” But the UK will refuse in this case because argentina has already determined the outcome, maybe the UK should, this how it would go:

Argentina: “Give us the Islands”
UK: “NO!”

End of discussion......
193 d1eg0 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
@171 Pirat-Hunter
What are you talking about? I think you are insane, really. I am an Argentine living in Argentina. Where are you? You said:

“a 100% made in Argentina nuclear defence program will force UK to invest in more weapons and ships causing a rock in the middle of the ocean to pay for food and arms while Argentina brings itself to the new international defence standards. And it will convince UK that diplomacy is better sooner rather then later. I predict that as soon as an Argentine defence ministers mentions a nuclear DEFENSE program, diplomats will fly in from all over the world to Argentina, Lol no longer sitting out in the halls of another nations capital waiting for some corrupt idiot hiding behind papers”.

It does not make any sense! Argentina cannot dream about making any nuclear weapon. Our Air Force is broken. Our Naval Ships are sinking every day. This country is poor, you know.
I can't explain to myself what kind of ignorance is needed to say what you are saying! From a military point of view, Argentina is almost inexistent.
Are you a kirchnerist? In other words, are you a deluded person?
194 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
@193 Diego

Diego, Pirat-Hunter is an Argentine refugee living in Canada. His real name is ALEX VARGAS.
He has written that he came to Canada as a child in the 1980's, because the Argentine“ government and pirates were stealing from us”, whatever that means.

ALEX VARGAS was raised in a poor immigrant neighbourhood in Toronto, Canada - his high school, Vaughn Road Acadamy, is one of the worst schools in the city and known for crime and violence.
ALEX has a massive chip on his shoulder from being raised in this environment - quite deranged!!

He is a Kirchnerist and will tell you that CFK is the best president since Peron.

He says that he chooses not to go back to Argentina because the British are there and ruining his country.
In earlier posts he said he was not able to return to Argentina.

I will post a link to his FaceBook page unless he has shut it down.
195 briton (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
The british have been in the falklands since 1592,
so soddy offy 1833,
silly doppy argies .lol.
196 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
ALEX VARGAS is listed as a 'friend' on the La Campora Juvenil FB site.

Feel free to check out his FB profile. You will see that he is our own, “Pirat-Hunter”.

He is also a friend of several other La Campora sites,

La Campora Jachál
La Campora Ochoa
Nacionalista Unidos Entre Rios Nacionalista
Peronismo Nacionalista

and more.
197 Anglotino (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Oh wow Troy!

I just looked. So easy to find. Went to the La Campora Juvenil site and found Alex Vargas.

At first I wondered why Alex's privacy settings were so loose. But then I saw his pic and the dozen ones of his pigeons and it all made sense. Unless I add someone, no one can even find my profile on Facebook.

Anyway it all makes sense now. His profile makes him out to be mid to late 30s though his pic looks mid 40s. I guess that is what being an unskilled labourer does to you. His language and logic skills show his lacks of intelligence level for much more than he already is.

Like you I'm confused as to why he doesn't live in Argentina, but considering the state of the Argentine economy it's not surprising. What would he do? Poor in Canada is middle class in Argentina.

It funny actually. There's an Argentine girl downstairs have dinner with my Colombian flatmate at the moment. Her English is amazing though I can speak to her in Spanish. She loves her new country.

Must be a reason why so many Argentineans leave. But she's a welcome addition to Australia.

Sorry Canada, you got Alex.
(My Colombian flatmate's English is already superior to Alex's and he only started learning 2 years ago!)
198 axel arg (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
I never said that spain had all the rights, in fact, if i recognize that perhaps the u. k. had right to occupy the islands, in virtue of the secret article which had been included in the nootka sound convention, or in virtue of it's occupation in port egmont for 8 years (1766-1774), is because i have never considered that spain or the u. k., or the u.p had absolutly all the rights.
For all these reasons, i have always said that if the u. k. had any right, it should have negotiated a solution with the u. p., or share the sovereignty, instead of depriving our country of exercising it's rights.
The case is interesting, but very complicated, and it's necesary to make an ample analysis of the rights of all the parts.
On the other hand, many people in this forum, and the govt. from the islands accuse arg. of pretending just one outcome, which according to their anaysis, that so called outcome is based on a total submission of the sovereignty of the islands to arg., which actualy is absolutly false, in fact, c. f. k. before the u. n. last year, a secret proposal treated between arg. and the u. k. in 1974, which refered to a shared administration of the islands, that proposal took into account the wishes of the islanders, and argentina's sovereign rights.
Beside, the president had said in different oportunities before the u. n., that arg. is not asking the u. k. to recognize that the islands are argentina, it just asks to dialogue about it. However, if after these facts, the govt. from the islands, and many people in this forum insist with that stupid accusation, is because actualy they are just speculating.
On the other hand, at the same time that they accuse arg. of pretending just one outcome, the govt. from the islands manifests that it's disposed to discuss about different issues with arg., but not about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, isn't it pretending just one outcome too?, this doble standar shows their hipocresy.
199 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 05:32 pm Report abuse

“The case is interesting, but very complicated, and it's necesary to make an ample analysis of the rights of all the parts.”

Hague agreed to meet and have a 'dialogue' as Timerman asked. Timerman refused.

End of your argument. End of your negotiations.
200 scottbart (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 11:59 pm Report abuse
198 axel arg (#)
yes very complex indeed
The 1974 discussions were behind the islanders backs and the UK didnt really want want the islands because they cost money. This doesnt mean argentina had a rightful claim, it means the UK were tryng to pass on an unwanted and costly toy, the islanders protested and the UK had to cave in and give them a voice.
I still fail to see how the current policies of argentina is helping this issue, and over time it depends who is in power, a previous leader was sending them xmas cards etc.
So you saying that at best argenintas case is for dual ownership?
201 LEPRecon (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 01:40 pm Report abuse
@198 - Axel

You say - “For all these reasons, i have always said that if the u. k. had any right, it should have negotiated a solution with the u. p., or share the sovereignty, instead of depriving our country of exercising it's rights.”

The United Provinces had no rights to the Falkland Islands, who at the time were the subject of joint sovereignty claims of the UK and Spain. Spain did not acknowledge the independence of ANY of its South American colonies until at least 1863.

So the United Provines had NO legal or VALID claims to the Falkland Islands in 1833. What the UP tried was a land grab. I might've worked, but they didn't count on the UK protecting it's sovereignty claim.

So in late 1832, the UP sent troops to the Falkland Islands.

In early 1833, HMS Clio arrived to remove these illegal troops, and what did they find? A garrison that had mutinied, murdered their commanding officer, and raped his wife.

Not exactly a solid argument for a sovereignty claim, is it?

In fact, the actual colonists, whose community dates back to about 1825, remain on the Islands voluntarily under British rule AND protection.

The United Provinces NEVER returned to the Falklands, despite the only defence being Matthew Brisbane armed with a Union flag.

What does that really say about the validity of any claim from the UP?

Not only that, but even if the UP had a tenuous claim, that does not translate into Argentina automatically inheriting that claim. The United Provinces no longer exist, and therefore, any sovereignty claim died with them.

But thank you for admitting that Argentina didn't exist in 1833, and therefore all your sovereignty claims are as bogus as an INDEC statistic.

You and your fellow Argentines better brace yourselves for huge disappointments ahead. In 20 years time the Falklands will still not be Argentinian, and Argentina itself will probably have ceased to exist, just like the United Provinces did.
202 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse

Re: your visit to ALEX VARGAS FB site

Quite an eye-opener isn't it!!

He has removed much of the direct La Campora imagery, but it is very obvious that he follows their guidelines and agendas.
Even more disturbing were the photos of Taliban snipers and machine gun operators firing on Canadian US and British patrols and civilian targets - all in the name of “anti-Western Imperialism”!

I agree, he must be a real under-achiever, if not a total dunce.
However, from his FB site, it appears that he makes a living as a well-paid TV/movie set-builder or carpenter, from time to time. Great casual work with short term goals and little responsibility.

He admits on this forum, that he lives off the grid as much as possible - no mortgage, no credit cards. No listed address?? Lives with a SA girlfriend in Toronto.

One thread on FB included pics of him drunk in a hotel room somewhere where his employer put him up. This, I gathered, was unusual for him ( no credit card, remember) - the grinning fool was proudly showing off to his mother and family. Mom replied in Spanish, “ you are just like an Executive!”

BTW, I arrived at the same conclusions you did. And... love those pigeon pics!!
Speaking of which, I think his English is usually not bad, but he gets lazy and to add credibility to his pretence of being a 'real' Argentine, he resorts to a form of Pidgin English, like an Argentine washroom attendant at the now-closed Cruise Terminals.

Latest WorldNews: N. Korea Missile Test.

Argentina = North Korea without the Nukes.

Now I know what “Pirat-Hunter” is on about!

203 LEPRecon (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
@202 - Troy

Alex Vargas might believe he's off the 'radar' but I'll bet he's on the watch list of the Canadian security forces and the FBI.

He's probably also on a 'no-fly' list too, which he why he can't leave Canada and return to his 'beloved' Argentina. He can't drive to Argentina, because the US would be very unlikely to give him a travel Visa to enter the US.

Poor Alex, a complete under achieving no-hoper.
204 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:33 am Report abuse

“Alex Vargas might believe he's off the 'radar' but I'll bet he's on the watch list of the Canadian security forces and the FBI.”

I really hope so.

I don't care what his political or ideological convictions are.
However, as someone who seeks refuge in Canada, only to turn around and spread lies and hate, to threaten the homes and lives of innocent people - I feel he deserves to be exposed and suffer the harshest retribution.
205 axel arg (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
TROY and SCOTT: Let me remind you that there is not any resolution which includes the govt. from the islands as a third part. So, there is nothing to discuss with them. Accepted or not, the case is bilateral, between arg. and the u. k., anyway, it doesen't mean that the wishes of the islanders can't be taken into account, and find a solution that respects their wishes, and argentina's sovereign rights, if you have no capacity to understand that the sovereignty is the main problem, sorry, but we it will be very difficult to debate about a fair solution for both parts.
LEPRECOM: Respecting the historic aspects of this conflict, read my comment 191.
On the other hand, the arguments that you express to reject argentina's sovereign rights over the islands in 1833 are inconsistent.
Let me remind you that the discovery just gives a precarious title, which must be improved with a premanent occupation, in that comment i explain the reasons why i think that perhaps the u. k. had right over the islands too.
The u. p. didn't need spain's licence to declare their independence, in same way that it had right to exercise thier sovereign rights over the mainland, they had right to exercise their rights over the soledad island too (actual east falkland), where spain had exercised it's sovereignty for 45 years. The fact that arg. didn't exist in that moment is irrelevant, the country just changed it's name, but it doesn't mean that it lost it's rights.
206 lsolde (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:22 pm Report abuse
Oh but you are so wrong, Axel-baby.
Argentina has no rights here. None, zilch, de nada.
This is NOT your country & we will NOT discuss Sovereignty with you.
How many times do you have to be told this?
l don't think that you are the full quid.
You didn't lose your rights Axel, you just never had any rights, here, EVER.
Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falkland lslands.
Accept it, you know that its true.
207 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:55 pm Report abuse

You want the 'British' to talk to you, fine, but you cannot select who it is within their camp who represents that party.
You are on the outside, get it?

You can knock on the door of our house, but you can not demand who opens the door, that's up to us.

Right now, you're an annoying salesman shouting through the letterbox.
Don't make us escort you off the property.
208 scottbart (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:32 am Report abuse
205 axel arg (#)
The resolutions are not binding, its what the UN would like to happen rather than war. Argentina seem to wrongly think it means some kind of support for their claim, it doesnt!
If France suddenly started claiming rights the islands and going to the UN they would say the same thing, the UN isnt' there to judge matters like this and will always call on parties to discuss issues. it means NOTHING and thats why it is NOT binding.

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