Wednesday, February 6th 2013 - 06:00 UTC

“Timerman can go to bed and dream of owning the Falklands”, but reality is different

Foreign Minister Timerman can go to bed tonight and dream of owning the Falklands in twenty years if he wishes, but there’s not much reality to it, pointed out a Falklands’ lawmaker reacting to the Argentine minister’s statements on Tuesday to the UK media.

MLA Summers recalled when a previous president said the Argentine flag would be flying over the Falklands by the year 2000

“Timerman forecast that the Falklands will be under Argentine control within twenty years is a pretty extraordinary optimistic statement for home consumption and nothing to do with reality”, said Member of the Legislative Assembly Mike Summers.

“We have heard from a previous Argentine president (Carlos Menem) that the flag was going to be flying over the Falklands by the year 2000. The flag was flying but it wasn’t his” recalled MLA Summers when he was asked to comment Mr Timerman latest remarks.

“I think Mr Timerman can go to bed tonight and dream of owning the Falklands in twenty years if he wishes, but there’s not much reality to it” said MLA Summers who has a vast experience in Falklands’ politics and in dealings with the Foreign Office and the Argentines.

“These are things that Timerman says for home consumption. They have nothing to do with reality and I don’t think he has no particular plan in place to move the Argentine claim”, added MLA Summers.

Likewise as to international acknowledgement, Mr Timerman claims that half the world supports Argentina and nobody supports the British or the Falkland Islands position “when in fact we know quite the opposite, particularly when we are talking of sensible countries”.

Finally MLA Summers said that members of the Legislative generally are reasonably content with the way things are going on the national front with the coming referendum, and “we’re content that the levels of support we get from sensible countries around the world is growing”.

 

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1 Lord Ton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:25 am Report abuse
Very little Argentines say on this subject have anything to do with reality. Here's to the next 100 years of British rule :-)
2 LEPRecon (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:35 am Report abuse
Well said Mr Summers.

It's about time the Argentine government stopped dreaming and started facing reality: the reality that they created in Argentina; economic madness, censure of the free press, hounding people who don't agree with them, and creating their own version of the Hitler Youth.

Come on Mr Timerman, show you have a pair and deal with the problems within your own country.
3 Redrow (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:47 am Report abuse
Just watched Jan Cheek on the Breakfast News. calm, thoughtful, Stateswoman-like performance all round. Contrasts to the ineptitude and rudeness of the Argentine Foreign Minister's performance yesterday.
4 agent999 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:55 am Report abuse
@3

The only interview Timeraman has given in the UK is a joint interview with the guardian and independent !!
He avoided the press when he left after yesterdays meeting - what a coward.
5 GFace (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:56 am Report abuse
I fully sympathize with Summers et al's need to remain above it all, rising above everything while the La Campora and Malvanistas and CFK's administration seem to be fond of the sound of the bottom of the barrel being scraped. You can hear him in this slipping in a little irony.... I can see it now, “you keep talking about history, sir.... it really doesn't line up with the one we've lived in for the past couple centuries. We seem to remember something happening in 1982 that you don't seem to want to discuss that pretty much controls much of the dynamics...” On the other hand, I keep remembering the Scientology expose where the creepy little twit who kept barging in on them doing their story finally got the journalist to loose it on camera. Keep your head, Mikey, and save it for the 5-o'clock scotch.
6 Redrow (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:22 am Report abuse
@4
Actually the BBC news website now has an interview. Sopel gives him an easy enough ride. Hardly forensic.
7 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:51 am Report abuse
@6 Redrow
Heres the link to the video...

'Argentina 'will control Falklands within 20 years'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21348169
8 Malvinero1 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:57 am Report abuse
Very little Argentines say on this subject have anything to do with reality. Here's to the next 100 years of British rule :-)
Too bad that uk will sink deeply in 20 years...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLfje8_jgI
AHAHAHAHA uk is FINISHED.....3 millions unemployed,1.1 trillion P debt.9 trillions foreign debt.....
9 Musky (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:58 am Report abuse
@6 Redrow
And here it is....
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21341578
10 Santa Fe (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:02 am Report abuse
yawwwwn....unemployment is falling and we are moving slowly out of recession. Hows your worthless Peso??? and your defaulted loans????
Hopefully your native population will rise up and claim back the lands from the non native european settlers in RGWeener. Whats that their are none left!!!! only 2% wow what happened to them???? (someone passes me a 100 peso note depicting the War of the Desert) ohh that right the slaughtered them jajajajaja shame on you. Maybe we should stop sending RGs cash from our 12billion pound foreign aid budget, like a beggar with hands open taking the developed countries cash....:)
11 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:10 am Report abuse
Tinmans agendy today...
'The talks are being coordinated by two representatives of the 'old guard' of the radical intellectual. It's the Spanish Ignacio Ramonet, former director of Le Monde Diplomatique and current champion of the anti-globalization movement, and Richard Gott, the British journalist who should resign from his post of literary editor at The Guardian in 1994 after he was accused of having acted as a KGB “agent of influence”.'

www.lanacion.com.ar/1552225-timerman-dijo-que-en-20-anos-el-pais-tendra-las-malvinas
12 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:24 am Report abuse
Wow, an alleged KGB agent and a Junta spy! they really know how to pick supporters with high moral fibre, don't they?
13 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:06 am Report abuse
He is being paraded like David Icke, somebody so loony, so extreme, so ridiculous that he gets air-time so we can all laugh at him.

Poor Argentina...poor poor Argentina, how humiliating
14 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:15 am Report abuse
Wow, misread your post their for a moment! thought you meant they were parading David ICKE. I know they are desperate and will use any slimey tactic, but even they would think twice of using a man who thinks he's related to God!

Then again, perhaps they have not heard of him, yet!!!!
15 Musky (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
At least David Icke had the common decency to where a purple shell suit!
16 Britishbulldog (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:51 am Report abuse
The man lives in never never land, this years referendum will put paid to Argentina's colonial ambitions, and if they ever get strong which they might do if they get real leaders who actually put the country first and they try the strong arm tactics they will find that the Falkland islanders will have the backing of every country in the UN. So go and dream you first class Muppet.
17 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:52 am Report abuse
Timerman might as well wear the tracksuit and talk about lizard people.

If you imagine that for one second that there was genuine concern that his shite might gain traction, that anybody would listen and be convinced, it would be front page headline news..as opposed to an after thought.

Yes Hector we know you want the Falklands
Yes Hector we know you will rewrite history
Yes Hector we know that no amount of childish abuse is beneath you
Yes Hector we know...when are you going home
When is the referendum
20 years you say?? Not even in 200 years...
18 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:00 am Report abuse
Did you heard what he said in his BBC interview about the referendum?

He said it meant nothing, because Argentina could hold a referenda that would say the Islands belonged to them and their 40 million votes would be more than the 3000 Falkland votes. Think he was trying to say, they can out vote them.

What an arrogant Cnut, assuming that they can vote their way into other peoples countries. Silly thing is he meant it.
19 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:04 am Report abuse
18
By that logic Britain could hold a referendum and claim Argentina.....
20 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse
Exactly!
21 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:07 am Report abuse
Falkland Islands: MP 'offended' by Argentine foreign minister's 'West Bank' remark - MP Alun Cairns, a member of the All Party Group on Argentina, said he was offended by some the comments made by Argentine foreign minister Hector Timerman during their meeting to discuss the Falklands on Tuesday.
Mr Cairns, Conservative MP for the Vale of Glamorgan, said he was “offended” by comments from the Argentine foreign minister at the House of Commons meeting to discuss the Falkland Islands.
“Effectively, he dismissed the right of self-determination to the Falkland Islanders on the obscure reason that it's a territory rather than a country or a nation,” he said.
The Tory MP and Welsh Assembly member also said he took offence at Mr Timmerman's comments comparing the Islanders with the Palestinians in the West Bank.
While the Islands are internally self-governing, the UK continues to have sovereignty and Westminster remains responsible for matters including defence and foreign affairs.
Argentina meanwhile claims that the islands are theirs, and have requested that the government enter into negotiations over their sovereignty....'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9851885/Falkland-Islands-MP-offended-by-Argentine-foreign-ministers-West-Bank-remark.html
22 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:15 am Report abuse
He probably intended to be offensive. He doesn't really care what he says he just wants to incite a reaction to make more newspaper headlines. The only strategy he seems to have is to make as much noise as possible about it.

It's the same stategy as an infant in a pram - as they have no other.
23 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
'Argentina must respect the rights of Falkland Islanders
The Argentinian foreign minister can't look Falkland Islanders in the eye and deny our rights – that's why he's afraid to meet us.
Once again we find ourselves expressing disappointment at the actions of the Argentinian government. Sadly this is an increasingly common occurrence. Cristina Kirchner's administration continues its policy of bullying and intimidation against us, while denying our right to live in the islands that have been our home for nearly 200 years. This policy was in evidence again today, with Argentinian foreign minister Héctor Timerman suggesting in an interview with the Guardian that the islands will be under Argentinian control within 20 years. Statements like that fly in the face of our often-expressed desire for normal neighbourly relations. Co-operation in areas of mutual benefit is once again ignored.
It is ironic that the Argentinian government maintains that all it wants is dialogue over the Falkland Islands, yet when offered such opportunities for dialogue, with the people whose voice matters most, it refuses to engage. We deeply regret that Héctor Timerman has declined the opportunity to meet William Hague and our own democratically elected officials this week. This is not the first time our attempts at direct communication with the Argentinian government have been ignored. Last year at the United Nations in New York, President Fernández de Kirchner was offered a letter asking her to meet with us to hear our views, and to discuss matters of common interest. Regrettably, she refused to accept it. The letter was subsequently delivered to the Argentinian government, but we have never received a response....'
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/06/argentina-ignore-rights-falkland-islanders
24 BritishLion (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:04 am Report abuse
Well put Mike Summers. Timan is on the back foot. He will not meet anyone not of his choosing, the islanders, the general press, i.e. a proper press conference or anyone that can easily give him a hard time and blow his insane claims and arguments out of the water. He harps on and on about sticking to UN wishes in dealing with the subject, but, blatantly refuses to speak with the people it concerns most of all. He is making threats that were it another Foreign Minister, say from Russia, would cause an International meltdown of relations that would put the world at risk of war, but, because he is such an idiot and making threats that could never happen, Britain simply and politely tells him that the door is open for talks with the correct people present. Absolute diplomatic gold, makes Argentina out to be pathetic.
25 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
Good day, and who is this? He was reelected more times than Peron! Ohhh .. If it is a fundamentalist fanatic Islander ..
26 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:10 am Report abuse
Quick children hide, the boogie mans back!!!!!!!
27 Martin Woodhead (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Its embarrasing that the falklands mps a village parish councillor really, makes a better case and presents it far more intelligently than Timerman ever does.
Diplomaticaly its like real madrid losing to a sunday league pub team.
Argentina should not be an embarresment of this scale on the world map
28 Islander1 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
XAV and others - What are you so scared of? before other Arg Governments have sat down and talked with Islands Govt elected repersentives on many occasions - even at meetings in the UN.
What are you so terribly scared of?
Is it perhaps you are scared of hearing the truth and reality?
29 Benson (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:38 am Report abuse
“Good day, and who is this? He was reelected more times than Peron! Ohhh .. If it is a fundamentalist fanatic Islander”
Yeah I suppose you could say we are fundamentally fanatic about keeping our homes.
30 Pirate Love (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:42 am Report abuse
the reality is argentina may not exist as it does today in 20 years time, with breakaway states looking for links with a much more stable law abiding democratic prosperous entity :) .......watch this space!!

SELF-DETERMINATION.......ramming it down their throats.
31 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:48 am Report abuse
@28
Scared? Fear of speaking? Not at all ..!
When Argentina a conflict with Uruguay over the Trash “Botnia”, the Argentine government did not direct your complaint to the Mayor of the city of “Fray Bentos”, but the claim was made by the national government Uruguayan Foreign Ministry. At that level these issues are addressed.

But, speaking now would implicitly recognize his government illegal. My understanding in Argentina lack an adequate legal framework to talk with you. To me I think of a way to engage in dialogue with you but I will not say in this area.
32 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
Timermans whingefest is having about as much impact as a fly on a windscreen. It says it all when this odious little twerp gathers a bunch of David Icke lookalikes together in a great capital city and studiously avoids the critical press or any discussion with those his country have invaded and bullied.
Argentina is emerging again as a basket case nation. Shitting on its friends Spain and Italy by stealing, reneging on loans, cheating and indulging in odious hyperbole believed by no-one. The impounding of its flagship is just the start. It's close association with Chavez, Castro, and Iran makes it a pariah state. It will be North Korea next to get its hands on a nuke so it can posture some more, that will be next. Iran could provide something too.
33 LEPRecon (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:01 pm Report abuse
@31 Xavierv

Since you say you have studied law, you should be able to tell the difference between a local government, and the government of a self-governing overseas territory.

The UK has NO right to talk to Argentina about the Falklands UNLESS the Falkland Islands Government say that they can.

The UK can in NO way tranfer sovereignty of the Islands because they DO NOT belong to us, they belong to the Falkland Islanders.

The UK cannot benefit from the natural resources of the Falkland Islands, unless the Falkland Islands Government allow it.

Do you see the pattern here?

Argentina is trying to talk to the people who have NO say in what happens to the Falklands, the British Government.

The British are only involved to ensure that the rights of the Islanders are respected, and to make sure that Argentina doesn't illegally invade again.
34 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
@ 29
“Yeah I suppose you could say we are fundamentally fanatic about keeping our homes.”
Only this is your fear? Shall we go and desplacemos their homes?? For me it is just an excuse for the islanders. Did not understand what it means Negotiation ”? Thinking I can think slightly thousands of solutions to their grievances! For example: After being under the sovereignty Argentina, that no Argentine mainland to establish residency in the islands if your approval. Just have some federal offices there but nothing else. They remain British and if anyone wants to have citizenship Argentina, will be a personal decision.
Proposals how are you I have thousands ..
35 Shed-time (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
Nebulous timescale significantly outside the limits of his own political career is nebulous.

'In 40 years Normandy will be British again!' *cough* *cough*
36 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
34 XAVIERV (#)

So the question remains - why do you so desperately want them?
37 ElaineB (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
@34 Bless you, there is nothing to 'negotiate'. Nothing has changed and nothing will change. Don't waste your time dreaming about what might happen if Argentina ever got the Falklands. They NEVER will.

Your thousands of proposals are meaningless and pointless.
38 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
@33
Search the dictionary meaning of sovereignty. You do not hold .. That is why we treat this matter at that level, UK is the sovereign nation and we must address this issue. When Hong Kong was ceded to China, UK did not mind the view of citizens who wanted to continue to belong to the crown, but earned the government's decision of UK public opinion in the colony.
39 Anbar (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
“”“So the question remains - why do you so desperately want them?”“”

its basic schoolyard indoctrination.

most Argentines probably dont know the real history of the Falklands, just the doctored version taught in schools which never present “the other side”.

this link from Hans: www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfromargentina/las-malvinas-son-argentinas-who-taught-you-that/

is a perfect example of national indoctrination.
40 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
Xav

But you don't want to negotiate.

You claim that the islands were usurped in 1833. Patagonia was definately usurped after that. So before any discussion around the Falklands can take place, Argentina MUST cede Patagonia back to the indigenous and give full recompense including their stolen minerals.

If this isn't done FIRST everything else is massive hypocrisy.

After that is complete, we can both put our cases to the ICj to clarify whether the islands were usurped, and if they were, who from. I think 60 days of mutiny, rape and murder between decades of British sovereignty doesn't make a just cause for usurption.

So...first negotiation...give up Patagonia to the Ameriindians and fully recompense them for their losses. Then come back and we will put the FIs to the ICJ.
41 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
#38 Britain leased Hong Kong on a fixed term lease which ran out. Britain observed international law and handed the colony back to China as required by law. It's quite different. Britain has soveriegnty over the Falkland in law and despite that Britain is willingly allowing the inhabitants to have their say and cede to Argentina if they so wish.

But... Who in their right mind would want to be part of a country that is an aggressive bully that's also an economic and political basket case?
42 LEPRecon (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
@38 - Xavierv

Prove that Argentina has sovereignty in the ICJ. If you won't, then you can't prove it, and you have no right to any say in the Falkland Islands.

Again trying to distract with Hong Kong, which is in NO way like the Falkland Islands.

The only people who have a say in the future of the Falklands are the Falkland Islanders themselves. Their right to choose is enshrined in article 1 of the UN Charter (which having studied law you will know that it applys to all people).

It's time for Argentina to get over yourselves, are start looking after your own country, which is falling down around your ears, instead of constantly looking at someone else's land with envy.
43 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
Hong Kong was leased to the UK, believe you me, the UK tried to renegotiate that lease, no go. Sovereignty was returned when the lease expired. All legal and above board.
44 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
39 Anbar

It was a rhetorical question but that article is very good in explaining their Gollum like “it's mine, I want it” attitude.
45 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
@36
If you want .. But desperately? No ... The answer to your question is complex and reaches various topics. 1) Recover territorial integrity. 2) End the occupation of the country by a colonial empire 3) Discard the islands delas use as a base for a nuclear power. 4) Complete mastery of the Argentine continental shelf. 5) And other issues ..
@ 40
Sovereignty over Patagonia we inherited from the Spanish crown as well as on the islands. The other is pure anecdote nomas.
@ 41
Search the excuse you want, but Hong Kong was ceded against the will of its inhabitants. And if UK made ​​it a condition for China to maintain capitalism for 50 years and this was accepted. Well could put other conditions to Argentina so that you never lose your lifestyle ..
46 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
“Sovereignty over Patagonia we inherited from the Spanish crown ”

Sovereignty over Patagonia was taken through the genocide of the native population during the Conquest of the Desert campaign of the 1870s. I believe your 100 peso bill celebrates this mass murder doesn't it?
47 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
@ 42
True, Argentina is not a first world country .. But this is something new? NO .. Want to live in the first world, because you have your bags easy and go to live in a suburb of London. Here in southern nations are poor, you do so amid backwardness? Have high levels of income, sophisticated living but live in a poor neighborhood. It is because of your poor neighbors who do not understand your refined manners? If you want to deal with people in your class and education, then you are in the wrong region of the world.

@ 46
What is done by Roca is reprehensible, as much as for your English masters Done in: USA, India, Australia, South Africa, etc. And if they did anything like that in the islands was only because there was no slaughter natives ..
48 inthegutter (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
#41 #43 Actually that's not quite right. HK island and Kowloon peninsula were ceded in perpetuity. It was only the New Territories that were leased for 99 years. It was decided in the 80s that to only return the NTs wouldn't work and it was instead decided to give back the entire territory.

Of course this was against the wishes of some of the inhabitants. Myself and I'm sure many other people would have preferred that HK either be integrated into the UK or given independence but it would have been difficult.

Of course, this is not the same as the Falklands (though I guess it does set the precedent of not respecting the wishes of the inhabitants).

Anyway, Argentina will NEVER get the Falklands. Mostly because there is very little reason the Falklanders should ever want to ruled by Argentina but also because if Argentina tried to take them the UK would let her.
49 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
'Hague meets Falklands politicians in London'
www.itv.com/news/update/2013-02-06/hague-meets-falklands-politicians-in-london/

'Timerman said that the question of the Malvinas “will test the international justice” - The Chancellor said that “it is not one case of colonialism” and emphasized its importance to the world community. It was at the inauguration of the first meeting of the 18 European groups Pro dialog in London.'
www.telam.com.ar/notas/201302/6892-timerman-aseguro-que-la-cuestion-de-malvinas-pone-a-prueba-la-justicia-internacional.html

'In the British press call Cristina “populist matona” - In an article in The Telegraph opinion they got on the President, while Timerman is in London; “You are dreaming if you think that the Malvinas will again be theirs,” said analyst'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1552289-en-la-prensa-britanica-llaman-a-cristina-matona-populista
50 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
@ 49 Steve-33-uk
Do you do? You news correspondent or what? All you do is to press parts. Never think.
At least with: Idlehands, LEPRecon and ElaineB. It is more fun the day ..
51 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
Xarveiv

There is nothing wrong or shameful about being poor, there is definately something wrong and shameful about being kept that way. Whether it is deliberate or just through piss poor performance by succesive governments who rule you.

Numerous people on here have said how rich Argentinia was in the early 20c and what potential it has to be that way again. The fact that is not that way, is not the fault of anyone else, to pretend that it is and to foster that pretence is self defeating and dishonest.

Stop drawing comparisons with other nations imperial past, you traded with the those imperialists, not just the British ones at that and you generated your wealth from their. What did you think they used to pay you for your beef, minerals and wheat? where did you think they got the money from?

It's all well and good displaying an anti imperialistic attitude now, now that it suits your political ends, but you certainly did not display it then.
52 Redrow (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:14 pm Report abuse
@45 Xavier
Your own maps in the late 19th century show the Falklands in a different colour. Your own borders have shifted repeatedly over the years so what integrity are you attempting to recover? Czechoslovakia separated, Slovenia ceded from Yugoslavia with barely a skirmish. Kosovan independence is now recognised. The Republic of Ireland dropped its territorial claim to N.Ireland after the Good Friday Agreement and today NI exists by Self-Determination as in integral part of the UK. If NI one day votes for a United Ireland then the UK cannot and will not stop that. The same applies to the Falklands. It's the islanders your Foreign Minister should be speaking to, not the Brits because the islands aren't ours to give away. You seem to have us confused with an Empire that died with Queen Victoria. It no longer exists except in your head. Why you should be choosing to emulate our colonial period is quite beyond me.
53 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
Patagonia was inherited from the Spanish crown.....don't think so Xav...it was stolen by genocide in a REAL act of 19th century colonialism. Like I say, return it to the indigenous population with full recompense for their losses, BEFORE the first word can be spoken about the Falklands.

Just as a tip:

Even after you've given back land that YOU stole in a YOUR genocidal COLONIALISM, it doesn't mean that the islands will become Argentine, as they have only been Argentine for 130 days in history, once in 1832 for a couple of months and again in 1982...both short windows punctuated with murder and agression.

The British have held sovereignty of the islands for hundreds of years either side of your 130 days...

But before we continue our discussion...give Patagonia back to the indigenous with full recompense.
54 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
This was boring, maybe I'll take “terere”.. See you later ..
55 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
@50 XAVIERV

When you say something worth replying to, I will reply, but we may be waiting a while.
56 yankeeboy (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
I laugh a little every time RGs bring up the notion of territorial integrity.
What a bunch of hooey.

I know they can't be that dumb but over and over again they seem to prove me wrong.
57 Anbar (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
1) Recover territorial integrity.

It is impossible to “recover” something that you never had in the first place - so this is totally bogus

2) End the occupation of the country by a colonial empire

Argentina is the colonial conqueror of Patagonia, pushing out & killing its inhabitants and stealing their lands. The Falklands were uninhabited, claimed by the UK before Argentina existed and are a legally legitimate people in their own lands.

3) Discard the islands delas use as a base for a nuclear power.

This is just totally bullshit...and alughably so.

4) Complete mastery of the Argentine continental shelf.

aka Colonial land-grab of an area you have never owned nor have rights to. read that again? Colonialism.

5) And other issues ..

yeah yeah, you cant think of any more but will add the moon and Mars if you can think of a way to do so.

idiot.
58 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:10 pm Report abuse
Xavi

Please negotiate. You have claimed you are against 19th century colonialism... (although conveniently for any colonialism pre 19thC).

So, to prove you are against it, please return Argentinas borders to that of 1832. Please return Patagonia to the true indigenous population, and repay them (say $40bn USD for the stolen minerals and resources).

Once this is done, we can BEGIN a discussion on the islands. I fear the discussion might not go your way either, as colonising an uninhabited island is not really colonialism. Also, whilst we are on the subject there is the small matter of 1982 to discuss....but again, I am getting ahead of myself...if 19th Century colonialism is so abhorrent, please immediately return Patagonia.

Consider the negotiations started.
59 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
'Timerman: “there are no Falkland Islanders”
noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/especial-malvinas-a-30-anos-de-la-guerra/timerman-no-existen-los-falkland-islanders,acbe01f5f5bac310VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD.html

Great photo on this one...
'Falkland Islanders 'must decide own future', says Hague'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21354028

'Argentina: we will prosecute Falkland energy firms'
www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/06/britain-argentina-falklands-idUSL5N0B68CK20130206
60 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
Just watched some of the live stream posted on another story of a press conference with Timmerman, listen to this quote from him,

“ The British empire, thank god, has been defeated world wide and his not what it was in the 19c. ”

Jesus mother and joseph, this man can not be for real.

Forget talking with them, talk to their bloody shrink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They all live in a loony bin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
61 row82 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
Please support Falklands Forever British for the truth about the Falklands - www.facebook.com/truthfk
62 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
Just for Mr Timmerman
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
63 yankeeboy (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
Apparently Timmerman thinks the Falklanders will have a better life if attached to Argentina.
I will only ask one thing,
How?

Who in their right mid would want anything to do with these nutters?
64 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
@ 57 Anbar
Whenever you do not read what they want, all they do is disqualify (Typical English). I know to treat me like an idiot? Maybe you relate to many idiots every day and know? Or maybe when you look in the mirror and recognize an idiot?
Well, I insist. Refute my ideas and not talk about me. I do not know you and therefore do not qualify ..
65 Conqueror (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
@31 All argies are COWARDS. It's because they are like bacteria. But not so advanced!
@34 NONE of your “proposals” are acceptable. Not a single one. So there's nothing to “negotiate” is there?
@38 Hong Kong wasn't “ceded” to China. It was returned. Because it was leased. Amazing that, isn't it? It's because Britain keeps things called “records” and it doesn't change them. Unlike argieland. So we “knew” that Hong Kong was leased. Like we “know” that the Falkland Islands are British!
@45 The Falklands aren't “integral” to argie territory. The clue is in the word “islands”. The Islands are inhabited by the Falklanders, who happen to be British. They are not “occupied”. “Occupation” is what you lot did in '82. British forces are on the Islands at the request of the legal government. Nothing to do with you losers. Complete mastery? Told Chile that one, have you? You can't “inherit” sovereignty. There is no such legal principle and there never has been.
@54 Don't come back until you've found a brain.
66 jakesnake (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
I'm just curious how many Argentines ask why their government allocates so much time and effort to something they know for a fact is a lost cause (the Falklands), while at the same time they don't seem to want to address far more pressing problems with their economy, currency, etc.?

It amazes me.
67 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
Xavier
Something lost in translation. Come up with reasonable ideas, start by talking to and recognising the existence of the Islanders then you might get some reasonable talk back.
68 ElaineB (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
It is interesting that in Timerman's press conference he said that 'Argentina wants to improve the lives of the Islanders'. (Ha,Ha) And the overwhelming response from Argentines is to ridicule Timerman. They know their country is a mess, with rampant crime, corruption, poverty and raging inflation. Even Argentines coveting the islands can see the Islander's life is so much better than theirs.

The Argentine government should note that this has not gone down well with their public who are asking why they are not spending time improving their lives.
69 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
One thing is for sure, if they spent even half the time and effort on their own people, that they spend on harrassing the Islanders, they would be a lot better off than they are now.
70 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
@68

I guess to you not having any choice of restaurants to eat in at all, not having any nightlife, clubs, bar to go out whatsoever, not having any nice cafes to sit down in, not being able to go to a nice big bookstore like El Ateneo bookstores and get lost in the countless shelves, not being able to go to a movieplex to people watch girls walk by (or guys whatever your sex and persuasion), not being able to drive for more than an hour without falling into the sea, not being able to watch major sporting events like Boca-River, Four Nations Rugby, Dakkar rally, world class women's field hockey, top 50 tennis players, boxing, etc; or having dozens of wineries to drive to or bike around and enjoy sips and cheese, or go to the mountains to trek or ski, or do windsurfing by lakes, etc... and actually having both a cold winter and a hot summer to make things interesting... none of that counts when it comes to quality of life.

I'd rather be 10 times poorer than I am here than 10 times richer than I am in the Falklands, anywhere in Europe, or the USA. Thank you.

To live in societies where the only thing of value is money, as you eloquently gave away Elaine, is a worse fate than death.
71 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
@ 65 Conqueror
The Inquisitor number one! Sell ​​your soul to the devil to make disappear to Argentina ..
Regarding my brain, I will say that I have been winning the Olympics math in my province. See the prestige of the Argentines in the Olympics math skills and have an idea of ​​my IQ.
@ 68 ElaineB
That has to do with our domestic problems “Malvinas cause”? There is much to do about that, as there is with the Muslim problem or UK output of the European Union. All countries of the world have internal problems, even the islanders have it .. But that does not change any views ..
72 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
@70TTT

“I'd rather be 10 times poorer than I am here than 10 times richer than I am in the Falklands, anywhere in Europe, or the USA. Thank you.”

TTT, how would you know?

Funny coming from someone who has never left home!
73 Redrow (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
This from the Huffington Post:
“Asked if the conflict over the islands was ”sterile“, Timerman said: ”We are talking about the territorial integrity of a country that was invaded four times by the UK and defeated three times - but one time they were able to divide our territory.”

By one time does he mean 1833? Does that mean he accepts that we didn't invade sovereign Argentine territory in 1982?
74 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
Nosey
Horses for courses!
Xaveir
You going through a crisis of faith or something, what's this obsession you have with muslims?
75 Gordo1 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
Britain has never invaded Argentina - where does he get this nonsensical information from?

I accept that British troops attempted to take the Spanish colonial city of Buenos Aires on two occasions in the early 1800s long before Argentina became independent.
76 Shed-time (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
@73 no, because that would involve him telling the truth, which we all know he doesn't do.
77 ElaineB (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
@70 Sweetie, read my post again. I was quoting the response of Argentines living in your country.
78 Gordo1 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
In a recent letter to the Daily Telegraph the buffoon trolly dolly, who passes for the Argentine Ambassador in London, alleged that as the Falklands/Malvinas archipelago is an enclave of Argentina then sovereignty should “revert” to Argentina.

An “enclave” in both Spanish and English means the same thing - it must be totally surrounded by another country. The archipelago is not an enclave because it is totally surrounded by international waters. The maritime limits of Argentina do not reach anywhere near the islands.
79 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
@74
An agnostic like me has no religious problems.
But I object strenuously to any religious, political or sectarian seeking to impose a single way of thinking. That is why I am critical of the government of my country.
I believe that the West is morally superior to the East, we can say that we have recovered thanks to the rebirth line of progress, without it we would still be in the middle ages. I've always said, the West is 1000 years overdue, the average age was a waste of time for the progress of our civilization. We must not let this happen again.
The point is that Muslims in their fanaticism and intolerance are advancing on our tolerant culture, I propose that reciprocity conditions exist for them. Only allow the construction of mosques, if the same thing happens in the country with churches. Know that in Saudi Arabia are prohibited from building churches? Know that in Egypt last week was sentenced a woman and her family for converting to Christianity? If Muslims take over West'll not condemn darkness fanatic Christianity when the Roman Empire fell.
80 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:17 pm Report abuse
Gordo1
Ah, don't spoil it for them. They have such a courageous history, it's in all their books! must be true.
81 mastershakejb (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:43 pm Report abuse
www.nasdaq.com/article/utdt-leading-indicator-predicts-flat-to-weak-argentina-growth-in-early-2013-20130205-01094#.URKGWKXry-c lol
82 Redrow (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
@79 Xav

As a Maths teacher have you ever wondered why you have ALgebra and ALgorithms? Can you not at least thank them for giving you a career.
83 XAVIERV (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
@81
Economic data could happen in England last year? What is the unemployment rate? And what is the outlook for economic growth in 2013? And because they are considering leaving the European Union?
I'm sure you “do not know” where you can find this information ..
84 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
How do you get from holding a referndum in 2015, if the tory party gets re elected, to considering leaving the European Union?
85 simona_69 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
the “reality” shows that in 189 years the falk-slum-islanders cannot increase the population... at this rate the 3,ooo islanders shows they cannot reproduce. there is also a chance that mother nature might rock the islands
and wash the 3,ooo retards away!
86 Steve-33-uk (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
'Falklands: Foreign Minister's Parting Shot - Hector Timerman continues his war of words with Britain over the future of the Falkland Islands.
Argentina's foreign minister concluded his three-day visit to the UK with another broadside against British colonial history and a promise to continue legal action against companies drilling for oil around the Falkland Islands.
At a packed news conference in the Argentinian Ambassador's residence in Belgrave Square, Hector Timerman repeated a claim he made on Tuesday that the islands, which Argentina calls the Malvinas, will be under Argentinian control within 20 years.
Sky News asked Mr Timerman why he used language about colonialism when his own country is populated by the descendants of colonialists who many historians say wiped out the indigenous people.
The Minister, who is said to have a short fuse, replied calmly but did not mince his words, saying: “It is quite audacious language to compare Argentina with the UK as a colonial country. Argentina is not a colonialist country. It has fought colonialism on several occasions.
”Of course, the way our indigenous peoples were treated in Argentina is not something that the Argentine government is proud of.... Argentina's colonial history has nothing to do with the division of the Argentine territory by the greatest colonial empire from the 19th century, the British Empire.
“Thank God it has been defeated worldwide and today it is no longer recognised as such.”
Questioned about his assertion that the islands would be under Argentinian rule within 20 years, he said: “I am convinced if the UK accepts UN resolutions then the islands will be controlled by us in less than 20 years.”
news.sky.com/story/1048532/falklands-foreign-ministers-parting-shot
87 Clyde15 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
#85
Yes, possible but unlikely.
More chance of a rogue asteroid hitting Argentina - a bigger target -and doing us all a favour
88 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@85

There were 50 babies born in 2012 alone so we are breeding quite happily thanks. The population dropped before 1982 but has been steadily increasing ever since. We are small yes, but that also means that everyone has a nice big house and large gardens instead on living in tiny foul flats stacked on top on one and another. We also have no shanty towns unlike Argentina.
89 simona_69 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
@87
a “favour”?
..... are you afraid of Argentina?
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
90 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
That question was answered 30 years ago.
91 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
The only fear that Rgentina gives is the fear of catching something they are not innoculated for.
92 simona_69 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
both answers are made by stupid men!
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
93 Britworker (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
Timmermans disgusting and rude behaviour in our country is currently running lower in the news priorities in the UK than compulsory dog chipping. It is front page news in Argentina as that is who the whole circus is targetted at. No one in the UK could care less at the fact he is here or what he has to say.
94 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
The British Empire of the 19th century was “defeated”... Really? Who by and when?

You could argue that there was an American War of Independence in the 18th century, but who else defeated the British Empire?

Australia? new Zealand? India? South Africa? Malaysia? Which of the countries in the Commonwealth “defeated” the British Empire??

We are not Spanish or French or some such where we fought to keep the Empire...we managed a handover so that the people who lived there could achieve SELF DETERMINATION.

Tinpot man lies again.
95 simona_69 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
@Britarse
so?
the UK has the choice to brake diplomatic relations with Argentina.
what the UK is waiting for?
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
96 Pirat-Hunter (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
For this reason we Argentine support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina to deal with the english pirates, thieves and terrorist at their level. That is the only resoning the britards understand.
Viva CFK and viva Argentina, British illegal aliens should be sent home as every Mexican and gipsy get deported. Do to the english as they do to too others, that all, simple.
axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
97 Anbar (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
Yup - compulsory dog-chiopping rates higher than TImemrman bullshit.

funny old thing.

meanwhile we are all waiting on some proof that there are Nukes in the Falklands... I'm sure Xavier & Gang will be along soon to show us some evidence....

(I wont hold my breath though)
98 Britworker (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
@95
Yes, maybe that's a positive option, we certainly won't have to tolerate anymore of your lying filth on our soil.
99 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
My, my, they are out in force today!
100 Anbar (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
“”My, my, they are out in force today!“””

All part of the bluster. Seems that Timmerman has been told to stir as much shit as possible for hone consumption, and they do seem to like consuming it...certinaly they've all come out for some on here!

(even DoverOverDover will be swallowing some down soon I imagine)
101 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
You gotta laugh. Ones got an American passport and the other Canadian.
Can we please have some input from an Argentine Argentinean? is that to much to ask for!
102 Monkeymagic (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
It's funny in 24 hours we have gone from

“the Falklands will be under Argentine rule within 20 years”

To

“if Britain comply with UN resolutions the Falkands will be under Argentine rule within 20 years”

bearing in mind Ban KI Moon said that Britain was not breaking any UN resolutions.....LOL LOL LOL hahahahahahahahahahaha
103 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
“Mr Timerman dismisses us as “settlers”. Well, we are settlers. Like countries across the continent of the Americas, we came into existence through waves of settlement from Europe and elsewhere. Indeed, we Falkland Islanders settled in our home long before many parts of Argentina were settled by the Argentines.

Mr Timerman knows full well that it is simply untrue to say that we have fewer political rights than anyone else, or that the United Nations has said that self-determination does not apply to the Falklands, or that UN resolutions preclude Argentina from sitting down with us. Repeating these misrepresentations doesn’t make them any truer, however inconvenient for Argentina.”

MLA Jan Cheek
104 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Gets better still, BA Herald quotes him as saying he's going to use International Law for the Malvinas question. You think that means he is going to refer it to the ICJ? because I don't,
105 jeffski (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
What a insulting arrogant little shit house Titman really is, how can anyone take him or Argentina seriously after this. What a embarrassed he & Argentina have shown themselves to be, lies lies and more lies. I hope the UN are taking note.
106 Britworker (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
@104
Agreed, in short they are lying filth!
107 Clyde15 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
#100
No, you call KFC and get her to do it. We don't care either way. We act diplomatically in a quiet, polite and assured manner in contrast to your rabble.
YOUR CROWD ARE THE ONES JUMPING UP AND DOWN, FOAMING AT THE MOUTH. It's not fair, we want it, we demand it etc. Go away and grow up you boring - but amusing -shower of plonkers -(that is UK diplomatic speak)
If Argentina break off diplomatic relations then they have lost the game. BOO HOO.
108 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
Are there any Rgs who aren't total retards like this lot. None of them have ever been to the UK or the Falklands and know nothing about our culture or history. None have researched the legal position. They all misquote UN stuff. They are all raving maniacs with homicidal tendencies. Who on earth would want to be governed by such a rabble.

Drake should have sunk them all (oops! Now they are sinking themselves!)
109 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
I've just had an idea. A beautiful original simple idea. An idea so astounding I'm amazed it's never been considered before. Why doesn't Argentina invest in a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina? It would create employment, it would bring them the international attention they crave and Hector could tape it to his willy and wave it around when he feels the need.
110 Richfe (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
Looks like Timerman is getting into trouble in the Argentine press for calling the Falkland Islands the British Isles...closest to the truth he's got all week.

Out of interest - did we ever find out who these 18 groups that supposedly turned up actually are? Did they actually all/any turn up after the embarrassment festival of the last week?
111 Britworker (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
@109
Do you seriously think the rest of South America would tolerate Argentina with nuclear weapons, it will never happen. Besides, they cost money and Argentina is dead ass broke, not only have they been LYING about their interests rates, they have also been LYING about their reserves, which are considerably more depleted than they are prepared to say. They don't have a pot to piss in.
112 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
No, isn't that scheduled for tomorrow? I think it's the last stunt before he flies off home to be welcomed back in triumph.
113 Richfe (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
According to Pagina/12 it was today...but nowhere does it seem to mention any of the participating organisations/people.

They mentioned they were artists...so maybe the Athen's Ladies Marxist Watercolour Society were attending. In the absence of evidence to the contrary that's going to be my assumption.
114 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
111 Britworker

Oh dear - I assumed a Brit would recognise when somebody is taking the piss.
115 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
@109 Idlehands

“I've just had an idea. A beautiful original simple idea. An idea so astounding I'm amazed it's never been considered before. Why doesn't Argentina invest in a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina? ”

There is a “Nuclear Expert” in Canada who has all the knowledge to make that a simple reality.
PH ALEX VARGAS is a Canadian, but also a great Argentine patriot.
116 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
@113

On Wednesday morning Minister Timerman will make the opening speech at the meeting in the Argentine embassy of the 18 European groups Pro-dialogue in the Malvinas question that includes politicians, academics, writers and journalists from 18 different EU countries.

Following Timerman’s speech, historian Federico Lorenz will address the forum, and after him UK writer and historian Richard Gott. A first draft of the Declaration calling for dialogue will be presented and in the afternoon International Law Professor Marcelo Kohen retakes the round of speeches followed by petitioner Alejandro Betts. Finally Mr Gott will head a panel on “Media actions to promote dialogue”.

Thursday takes off with Professor Alexis Litvine and a discussion panel on ‘Academic activities to promote dialogue”. Ambassador Castro closes the event with a brief note and the distribution of Malvinas related literature among participants.

en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/mps-call-on-timerman-to-listen-to-the-people-who-live-in-the-falklands?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily

I think that is what you mean...I don't know if the results from that meeting are up yet.
117 Richfe (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
OK - I found a picture of the delegates at today's meeting.

www.infobae.com/notas/695171-Personalidades-de-Europa-llamaron-al-Reino-Unido-a-negociar-por-Malvinas.html

Prizes for anybody who can correctly identify anybody except Timerman, Castro and Gott...

On a sartorial note: Castro appears to have stolen the uniform of a stewardess from some African airline...
118 reality check (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
Interesting piece on Sky news earlier. Commentator was saying how yesterday in the house of commons he was seen as being bad tempered and rude. Overnight at the embassy he was advised to calm down and that came across in the press conference, where he am ended his 20 year comment.

Also mentioned that he again brought up the legal action against the oil companies. Commentator said that it would probably succeed, I am assuming that he meant in the Argentine courts, because the commentator said it would make no difference and the oil was still on schedule to come ashore in 2017.

Basically he can say what he likes, makes no difference in the end. Mans a toothless tiger!
119 Idlehands (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
A site to keep an eye on:

www.atfa.org/

American Task Force Argentina. Those bunnies aren't happy.
120 Redrow (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
@85 Simon-69

So you'd like a tsunami to kill all the islanders? Nice. Just be careful what you wish for though as the funnelling effect of the Rio de la Plata would see the same wave wash BA halfway to Rosario.
121 stick up your junta (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
@120

If it did hit BA it would do about 15 quids worth of damage to the shithole
122 briton (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
Timerman can go to bed and play billiards
If he wants,
Because that’s the only bloody balls he has
Coward.
123 HansNiesund (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
> Hector could tape it to his willy and wave it around when he feels the need.

I didn't know Argentina were world leaders in nano-technology
124 Clyde15 (#) Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:43 pm Report abuse
www.infobae.com/notas/695171-Personalidades-de-Europa-llamaron-al-Reino-Unido-a-negociar-por-Malvinas.htmlHowever,
the UK government refuses to talk.
In view of the above, the undersigned wish to call on the UK government to resume dialogue with Argentina. These two democratic countries have a long tradition of friendship and mutual cooperation, and this year's match as members of the Security Council of the United Nations. We believe that only through dialogue can show the world their devotion to peace and respect for international law.

My first thought, who are these people AND do I care ?

To quote“we have a long tradition of friendship”
It must have been before my time and I am 71 !

What an absolute load of crap from a bunch of nobodies
125 Redrow (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:03 am Report abuse
@124 Clyde

I believe the chap behind the Foreign Minister's right shoulder is a very young Prince Charles.
126 LEPRecon (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:49 am Report abuse
@124 - Clyde15

The woman next to the bearded man on the front row looks likes she's trying to hide her face so she can't be recognised as being associated with this bunch of nutters.

Also the woman behind the man holding, no doubt, Malvina's propaganda appears to be looking for the exit... :D
127 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:18 am Report abuse
Clyde
They calles for dialogue. Someone tell me I am not imagining all this, but wasn't that offered at the beginning of this farce and rejected by the Minister.

Do they mean limited dialogue, which neglects the Fundamental Human Rights (here we go again) of the people who actually live on the Islands?

Do they mean that the Islanders have no say in their own future and are irrelevent to the issues?

Sound like it to me, sounds like that is exactly what they mean.

Who are these people? I think it is important we know, because some time in the future, they may be asked to justify such blatantly dishonest comments.
128 Hepatia (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment213391: So you are confirming that Timerman is correct when he refuses to include any of Las Malvinas squatters in any negotiations.
129 DJ56 (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
#117

One of the 42 morons is “loony left” labour MP Corbyn. As a well known proponent of an united ireland and a friend of Gerry Adams, its inevitable that he will jump on to any anti UK bandwagon.
130 reality check (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:59 pm Report abuse
Hepatia
The Falkland Islanders are going to live on peace on the Islands for generation to come. Garuanteed!

Sorry to hear you have squatters on the mythical Malvinas Island. Take them to court, your good at that.
131 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
why should we talk, just because argentina decides it has a claim, and some stupid countries agree,

why then cant britain claim patagonia, and demant talks with argentina .
132 axel arg (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
It's necesary to signalize that timerman also said in a small interview that he gave for chanel 7 (our public television), where he expressed that if the u. k starts to respect u. n's resolutions, the islands will be under argentine sovereignty within 20 years, which is not exactly the same than what he had said in another interview.
On the other hand, summers forgat saying that he can also go to bed, and dream that the referendum will be the final answer for what the govt. from the islands calls, argentina's territorial ambitions, summers should recognize that the reality is much more complicated than his mediocre analysis. In fact, i recommend you to search in this website, what was expressed by the president from the decolonization committe, respecting the referendum, the date is june 16th 2012, i recognize that i was wrong when i typed the date of that article in others comments. Anyway i know that many of you prefer invaliding what he said, because it doesen't concid with your opinions, however, you should understand that like it or not, the case is presented every year before the committe, and if your u. k. can reject it's resolutions, is just because it has right to veto.
It seems that it's still necesary to remind summers, and many others hipocrite people who love emphasizing the wishes of the islanders, as the only one aspect that must be taken into account in order to find a solution for this conflict, that the u. n has always considered this case like a special colonial situation, beside, if any of us gets into the website of the u. n., we won't find any resolution which says: application of the right to self determination for the people from the malvinas-falkand islands, like there are for others populations who live in territories considered like non-self governing territories, in fact, none resolution has never included the govt. from the islands as athird part, that's something that we all now it, including summers.
133 Brit Bob (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
wwwworldcrunch.com/rss/world-affairs/argentia-president-cristina-kirchner-argentina-imf-twitter-rant/c1s10848/

Cristina's IMF rant.
134 briton (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
you just want to steal them.

its as simple as that .
135 Hepatia (#) Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
I predict that Las Malvinas will be returned to Argentina with 25 years, so Timerman may be a little optimistic.
136 Anglotino (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 06:33 am Report abuse
I predict the Falkland Islands will declare independence as a sovereign nation under their own Queen in...... I think 2033 has a nice ring to it, but I believe it is more likely in about 50 years.

I'm not 100% sure when exactly.

I predict that the Islands won't join Argentina ever.

Of that I am definitely 100% sure.
137 Karl101 (#) Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:34 pm Report abuse
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.

www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
138 Hepatia (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 11:03 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment214484: If Las Malvinas where to become an independent country today it would be a country of a population of about 3000. Assume a doubling of the population by 2033 that becomes 6000.

You are not being serious.
139 Clyde15 (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
#138 Hepatitis

Why not ? Your favourite decolonizing committee wants St.Helena, Pitcairn, Tokelau to be “decolonised”
What description would you give them if it came to pass?
140 Anglotino (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
Hepatia

Can you please point me to the relevant international laws or norms that show sovereignty is limited by population.

The Vatican is recognised by 178 of 193 UN members, is a UN Observer and has a population numbering less than 800. Interestingly the population is almost 100% immigrants.

Even more interestingly is that Argentina recognises Vatican City as a sovereign state with relations dating back to 1840.

It would seem that a minimum population size is not a prerequisite for sovereignty or recognition even by Argentina.

Recognition of states is not regulated by international laws but by the laws within those states recognising each other.
141 Domingo (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
@132 axel. The remit of the C24 is report the implementation UN GA resolution 1514 & UN Charter Article 73 by the UK in the Falkland Islands to end British colonial rule of the population of the Non-Self-Governing Territory of the Falkland Islands

The C24 chairman's political opinion is irrelevant in his capacity as chair of the C24 because it falls outside the committee's terms of reference laid out in resolution 1654; also given the chair & several members of the C24 are politically allies of Argentina then such comments are biased & without independent objectivity

According to the lawfully binding UN Treaty Charter Chapter XV, the decolonization of the Falkland Islands is a bilateral matter between the UK & the Falkland Islanders; Argentina is a third party to the ending of alien British colonial government by the British metropole over the population of the Falkland Islands & its replacement by local democratic legislature & assemblies

The facts are that Argentina's claims about sovereignty or the decolonization process of the Falkland Islanders has never been upheld by the UN International Court of Justice since its inception 67 year ago & is the only competent international court able to provide a legal ruling & any such claims post October 1945 are subject to prescription & not retroactive before 1945

Remember,in March 1982 it was Argentina that terminated the peaceful negotiations began under resolution 2065 in favor of the use of force to subjugate the Falkland Islanders

N.B. The UN decolonization process is about the people being freed from colonial rule, not the land being taken from the colonized people as Argentine claims

It is quite wrong to suggest the UN does not apply the right of self-determination to the decolonization of the Falkland Islanders, resolution 2065 itself say 3 things must be borne in mind:

1. the provisions & objectives of the UN Charter
2. resolution 1514
&
3. the interests of the population

which 1&2 make paramount
142 axel arg (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 10:15 pm Report abuse
DOMINGO.
As i said before, you and many others can invalid as much as as you like the words of the president from the decolonization committee, that just shows your lack of intellectual honesty.
However, if you mention objetivity, and if you had unless one line of intellectual honesty, which is necesary to discuss about something so complicated like politic issues are, you would realise that what was expressed by the president from the decolonization committee, is not different in absolut to what has alwasy been manifested by the u. n. respecting this cause.
If the only one aspect that matters to solve this dispute, is the right to self determination, then why has this cause always been considered like a special colonial situation?, why there is not any resolution in the website from the u. n. which invokes that principle for the population from the islands, like there are for others colonial situations?, why has the u. n. always called arg. and the u. k., to resume the negotiations, and has never included the govt. from the islands in those resolutions?.
I don't deny that perhaps that principle could be applicable for them, but we can't deny that it's very arguable.
Beside, in the same way that resolution 1514 includes the right to self determination, it's paragraphes 6th and 7th refer to territorial integrity, which is one the bases of our claim.
Anyway, i want to tell you that my analysis is not based on a personal opinion, it's based on the academic knowledge of professors of public international right.
On the other hand, i understand that for many of you, the invasion of 1982 ordered by the criminal junta that roled arg. in that moment, is your best excuse to reject the negotiations, however, you should realise that since 1983 arg. is a democracy, beside, if both nations are called by the u. n. to resume the negotiations, it should be respected by both parts of the conflict. Accept it or not, the u. k. is not the owner of the international right.
143 briton (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
the british have been their since 1592,

and as long as they wish to remain british,
they will,

so why dont you argies stop the bullying and grow up.
144 Anglotino (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 10:08 pm Report abuse
Axel arg

I finally realised it. You're STUPID! You keep repeating the EXACT same bullshit again and again and again and again.

And when someone such as myself asks you to prove and back up your claims.

YOU DON'T.

Just because you keep repeating LIES....

DOES

NOT

MAKE

THEM

TRUE!

Stop LYING. You shame your country.
145 axel arg (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
ANGLOTINO.
You don'tneed to believe what is ay, just get into website from the u. n., and you'll see that there is not any resolution which says: application of the right to self determination for the population from the islands, like there are for others colonial situations.
Respecting the way that this case has always been considered by the decolonization committe, i have recommended in most my comments to search in the news archive of this website, what was expressed by norma edwards before the decolonization committe, where she complained about the fact that this cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation, and about the lack of application of self determination for the population from the islands, the date is june 24th 2010.
On the other hand, when you search in the website of the u. n., you'll se also that there is not any resolution that includes the govt. from the islands as a third part in the conflict. Search the website of the u. n on line, i used to have it untill some months ago, but i lost it. Anyway, it won't be difficult to find it in absolut.
Beside, if you consider that i shame my country, you should take into account that despite that most you don't agree with my opinions, i have always argued everything i said, however, planty of your compatriots just insult or make mediocre analysis, don't you think they shame your country?.
146 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
You are correct that there is no resolution with regard to “self determionation” However the UN Charter under international Trusteeship System refers to self determination.

“Affirming the principle of self-determination, the Charter describes the responsibility of States for territories under their administration as “a sacred trust” in which the interests of their inhabitants are paramount.”

Hey.....how come Puerto Rico is no longer on the UN list, they were last year? Is it becasue they voted in November?
147 Hepatia (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 02:24 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment215118: The applicable international law is the law of common sense.

Las Malvinas is not the Vatican. If Las Malvinas were to become independent of the UK Argentina would be forced to take it over to stop it becoming a failed state. The current squatters resident in Las Malvinas know this and will not attempt any move that would give them anything remotely resembling independence. Instead they will follow form and assert their Britishness. So, you are stuck with them right up to the time when the UK will hand Las Malvinas back to Argentina along with the payment of reparations.
148 Clyde15 (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
#147
Failed state. What is Argentina?
Can you tell me where I can get a copy of the Big Book of Argentine Fairy Tales from which you so readily quote.
I need a good laugh !
149 Hepatia (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 03:16 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment216334: If what you say is true then that would make a declaration of independence by the present population of Las Malvinas even less likely.

The end result, which ever way you slice it, is that the squatters of Las Malvinas are not going to push for independence. I cannot understand why anybody would think that they will.
150 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
Hep.....if they are so called ”squaters' on the Falklands, what kind of a country allows they land to be taken?
Why have you not taken action with the UN?
Why have you not brought action with the ICJ?

We all know that anwser.
151 Hepatia (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment216394: I cannot “take action” with either the UN or the ICJ for a number of reasons including the reason that I lack standing with both those institutions (as do you).

Throughout history it has been quite common for militarily weak countries to have portions of their countries occupied by militarily stronger countries. This has been part of the UK's modus operandi. For instance, the UK has occupied parts of China.
152 Clyde15 (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
#151
Exactly. A military weak people -Falklands - were occupied by Argentina
153 golfcronie (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
@147
I will have a bet with you that the FALKLAND ISLANDERS in 10 years time will have more money per capita than you ever dream of. Next year ROCKHOPPER/ DESIRE/FALKLAND OIL will have at the very least 2 Drilling rigs in the FALKLANDS and start the development of oil fields. Where is the legal challenge that your President has promised. What court in the WORLD would you present your case if you feel you have one. English expression is “ ALL MOUTH AND NO TROUSERS”
154 Hepatia (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment216481: The discovery of oil will only hasten the return of Las Malvinas to Argentina.

My president has not promised any legal challenge WRT Las Malvinas. Why would he have done so?
155 Captain Poppy (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Hep.....#151 how does Argentina lack standing with the UN as you say....or the USA?
And while your presidsent has a lot of balls, and ugly as a tree stump, she's still a she and not a he.
156 Hepatia (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment216526: I did not say that Argentina or the US lack standing with the UN. I said I (and you) lack standing.

My president was a he when he was elected. But, if you insist, I sure that he must be a she. Won't his wife be surprised! :)
157 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
@156 Hepatia

”My president was a he when he was elected. But, if you insist, I sure that he must be a she. Won't his wife be surprised! :)“

Ha ha, now ”Hepatia“ is playing the clever childish troll game!!

Golly? What's the mystery, ”hep”??

Are we supposed to guess?
Do you want us to beg to know where you live?

Just another Arg, fake-foreign troll, I guess.

Make a definitive statement, true or not, or are you afraid that you will box yourself in to a particular identity, or you won't remember which lies you told to whom??

LOL !! Funny funny!
158 Hepatia (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:18 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment216394: You seemed not to have woken up yet. Your logic, such as it is, is quite symmetric. So, the actions you suggest that are available to Argentina are equally available to the UK.
159 Anglotino (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:40 am Report abuse
Hepatia I see you couldn't reply to my comment @ 140.

Naturally!
160 Hepatia (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment216669: See - en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment216220
161 axel arg (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
CAPTAIN POPPY.
In 1985 the u. k. presented before the u. n., an emmendation to include the right to self determination for this cause, and the general assembly rejected that proposal. On the other hand, read my comment 142.
162 Anglotino (#) Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
I mean, you're uti argue logically and with fact but then you realise that the other person doesn't..... or can't...... or their supervisor forbids it.

Take Hepatia as a prime example:

She claims that the Islands won't become independent because they only have a “population of about 3000. Assume a doubling of the population by 2033 that becomes 6000.”

When pressed on why this isn't possible, this is the result:

“If Las Malvinas were to become independent of the UK Argentina would be forced to take it over to stop it becoming a failed state. The current squatters resident in Las Malvinas know this and will not attempt any move that would give them anything remotely resembling independence. Instead they will follow form and assert their Britishness. So, you are stuck with them right up to the time when the UK will hand Las Malvinas back to Argentina along with the payment of reparations.”

Take the over with what? Argentina has no military to speak off, the government is too scared of them. It's physically impossible.

And reparations for what?

It woud seem Timerman isn't the only one that dreams of owning the islands.

But there is such a big logic gap in their arguments that it's no wider they argue in circles.

I can't wait to see the ARA Libertad, canons a'blazing, bringing the Islanders to heel during their independence celebrations.
163 Hepatia (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:17 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment216999: In the very unlikely event that Las Malvinas were to become independent it would be necessary for Argentina to reassert its sovereignty. And who would stop it?

The reparations paid by the UK to Argentina will be to compensate Argentina for the occupation of its sovereign territory. The UK has paid such reparations to America in the past so the precedent is well established.
164 Anglotino (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:44 am Report abuse
Hepatia

The UK will stop it! Just as it does now.

Are you that delusional.?

Well with your talk of reparations I guess you are. If you are trying to start a meme.... FAIL!
165 Hepatia (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment217304: And how will the UK stop it?
166 Clyde15 (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
#165
How about good old fashioned force.!
Question to you.
How would YOU “assert” your false claim to sovereignty ?
167 Anglotino (#) Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
Hepatia is the droll troll! Can't even remember 1982

No one thought the UK would stop it then either.

Thanks for starting my day with a smile.
168 Hepatia (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:23 am Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment217498: What force are you talking about?

Argentina would assert sovereignty in Las Malvinas by sending two policemen and including the territory in elections.
169 Clyde15 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse
#168
What fantasy world do you live in ?
170 Hepatia (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
en.mercopress.com/2013/02/06/timerman-can-go-to-bed-and-dream-of-owning-the-falklands-but-reality-is-different#comment217720: You see a problem? OK, three policemen then.
171 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
@163hepatia
“ In the very unlikely event that Las Malvinas were to become independent it would be necessary for Argentina to reassert its sovereignty. And who would stop it?”

Sounds like you are making a blatant statement that an Independent Falklands State would not have its sovereignty respected, just as BOT Falklands, ratified by a Referendum, would not be respected as sovereign.

Despite full UN recognition in both cases, are you stating that Argentina would do as it pleases??

Are you a representative of CFK's government, or are we to believe that you represent the popular opinions of average Argentine citizens??
172 Clyde15 (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
#170
Cast your (mind?) back some 31 years oh deluded one.
If the combined Argentine armed forces failed miserably to reassert (synonym - steal by physical force and threats ) their non-sovereignty you will send 3 policemen to do the same.
The local Falklands Brownie troop could deal with them in between baking cakes..

#171
No, her lift does not go all the way to the top.
173 Troy Tempest (#) Feb 15th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
@172 Clyde

I notice that El Thinko and Colonel Blink ( the short-sighted gink) are uncharacteristically quiet.

Do you 'think' they may be at Campora High Command putting together “Operation Sea-lion” to combat the coming Referendum??

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