Uruguayan lawmakers confirm they will travel to Falklands for the referendum
At least two Uruguayan lawmakers have confirmed to the British embassy in Montevideo that they will be travelling to the Falkland Islands next March for the referendum on the Islands political status and future. The trips are financed by the embassy and according to parliament sources in Montevideo the list could become longer.The news was published in a Montevideo weekly.
Jose Carlos Cardoso member of the Lower House and from the main opposition party said he accepted the invitation because he is interested in seeing how the local inhabitants are living the electoral process even when he admits that the referendum “won’t legitimize a thing”, but is a ‘good picture’ of what is going on.
Cardoso admitted also his interest in seeing how the Falklands are getting along in other issues such as mining and drilling for hydrocarbons. “I support my (National) party’s position in the Malvinas question (siding with Argentina), and my trip is no contradiction. I’m going to see a place I don’t know and besides Uruguay has full relations with Britain”.
His fellow Deputy, Jaime Trobo desisted from the direct invitation from the British Embassy but accepted to be part of the Canadian delegation and will visit the Falklands as an ‘observer’.
Another member of the National party, Mario Silvera has yet to decide, even when his specific group has addressed the issue and opted against officially travelling as observers.
The ruling catch-all coalition, Broad Front, is divided on the issue with at least one member interested in travelling to the Falklands despite his group’s position contrary to the referendum and clearly aligned behind Argentina.
However some of its members from the ruling coalition consider that self determination is a supreme right and recall that President Mujica when the Mercosur summit that decided to ban access to all vessels with Falklands’ flag, he was also adamant that he would not support any further measure that would infringe the human rights of the local population.
President Mujica adopted the same stance when last year’s suspension of Paraguay from Mercosur: he accompanied the suspension, (‘sometimes politics is more important than the juridical’ he argued) but likewise was point blank against any further measures because “with sanctions the only ones to suffer are the people”.
Regarding the junior opposition party, Colorado, split in two groups, a decision is still pending. Although supporting the formality of backing the Argentine claim, historically as government and in practical terms the Colorados always promoted and sponsored links and trade with the Falklands.
Currently the Colorado party does not agree with the Mujica administration’s ‘soft’ strategy towards the aggressive attitude in bilateral issues from the government of President Cristina Fernandez.
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It may actually surprise the delegates to see how pleasant the people are, how peaceful and self sufficient they are and how strongly they hold their views to left in peace.
It never urts to hear all these things from the 'horses mouth' rather than being spouted by CFK, Timerman, Puricelli and all the other RG cohorts.
You can just imagine the comments on the plane back to MVD- “Hey, it's not so bad in Stanley- Thise guys are really nice and they don't rig their elections......and we didn't realise that there is no militarisation, etc, etc”.
Clearly you've never been to Uruguay, you're just making very ignorant comments. I support the Falklanders, and I also support Uruguay, which is actually a pretty nice place, and pretty nice people/politicians.
The only reason Uruguay has any issues at all, or ever has, is because of its neighbors. Brazil pushed the military dictatorship on Uruguay. And Argentina is currently pushing its inflation and retarded foreign policies onto Uruguay. Uruguay never wanted any of it, and still doesn't, but it needs a trade partner large enough to replace Brazil and Argentina. If UK stepped up to that plate, to be that partner, that'd be AWESOME.
Totally positive.
I expect no less from anyone who goes to the islands with an open mind.
The issue here is about legacy, the Falklands are the size of wales and could potentially be driven (once they get out of their leather chair and hot fire mentality) into a modern economy. It's going to take time though, and surely the main benefactors will be Chile and Uruguay?
It's not like we abandoned anyone intentionally, we just needed to rebuild and rebrand... just like the nazis did in Argentina.
“Lip service” the height of reality for argentinas support in latam and nothing more, suckers.....
Hey theres more bad news your thinly veiled new trade buddy iran is about to be hit with more US sanctions so dont expect to be paid anytime soon, suckers.....
the Falkland democracy train is leaving the platform and argentina is still in the rest room sucking off iran! suckers....
heres to more argentine claims to Latam unity :)
SELF-DETERMINATION.....suck that!
Another reason for Argies to be attracted to Iran. They could link Peso and Rial .
www.cato.org/blog/value-iranian-rial-hits-all-time-low
Relations on a less political attitude have always been excellent. You must remember that Uruguay, unlike the Falklands has no Royal Navy to protect us
Timerman is succeeding in raising awarneness of Argentina and Latam affairs.
I was unaware of matters between them and neighbours - e.g.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulp_mill_conflict_between_Argentina_and_Uruguay
It would seem Argentina operate to an established modus operandi.
Yes the pulp mill dispute is just part of Argentinas long chapter of efforts to strangle Uruguay. The situation got so bad that our left wing President Vasquez consulted George Bush about military assistance in the event of an Argentine invasion
Apart from that Argentine has a constant pressure on Uruguay to prevent RG tourists coming to this country
Montevideo airport was recently rebuilt and is now one of the best in SA. The idea was that it would serve as a hub but RA refused to allow flights from most of thier provincial cities to feed it
Also refusal to arrange joint dredging of the River Plate channels which are of benefit to Uruguayan shipping routes
And so on on and so on, but those examples will do for the moment
Article says....:
”....Two Uruguayan lawmakers will be travelling to the Malvinas Islands next March for the referendum ...... The trips are financed by the British Embassy.......
Jose Carlos Cardoso member of the Lower House said he accepted the invitation because he is interested in seeing how the local inhabitants are living the electoral process even when he admits that the referendum “Won’t Legitimize a Thing”, but is a ‘good picture’ of what is going on.
“I support my party’s position in the Malvinas question (siding with Argentina)......
I say....:
El Think member of Chubut's Croquet Club says he would gladly accept such invitation because he is interested in getting a free holiday on British taxpayers expense even when he admits that the referendum “Won’t Legitimize a Thing”, but is a ‘good picture’ of what is going on.
“I support my Country’s position in the Malvinas question ......
Chuckle chuckle
www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
AT LAST! Now we now what I don't Think, aka The Turnip In Chief / The Liar In Chief, does for a living.
He's a MALLET in the game of croquet.
Well he has the wooden head for it and probably the spindly legs, but no balls.
LOLs
Unlike them old man, you don't hold political office in one of the countries that “supports” Argentina over the Falklands. How is that support going? What do they actually do that can be measured in “support” of your lunatic asylum that is CFK's government's stance over the islands.
It's eating you up old man. Don't deny it.
Deadbeat.
Chuckle chuckle.
“El Think member of Chubut's Croquet Club says he would gladly accept such invitation because he is interested in getting a free holiday on British taxpayers expense even when he admits that the referendum “Won’t Legitimize a Thing”, but is a ‘good picture’ of what is going on.”
Well, then there would be no difference to Timerman's mission in London, where a bunch of nodding non-entities turned up for a free 'bun-fight'.
As an example of a counter to one of your unfounded, ridiculous assertions, the Executive Authority in the Falkland Islands is vested in HM the Queen and the Governor exercises it on her behalf. If anyone declares independence unilaterally it will have to be someone other than FIG. Further, if it was to be recognised immediately by the UK in these circumstances then it wouldn't be unilateral would it?
Face it, you've lost the plot.
HM the Queen has NO executive powers. All she can do is advise and warn her Prime Ministers of whatever party and I think she has done that pretty well. I think there were 14 at the last count starting with Churchill.
The only time a royal perogative has been invoked in recent years was in Australia when PM Gough Whitlam was dismissed by the governor general, an Australian appointed by HM on the advice of the Aussie govt.
I think the MLAs in FIG are consulted about who should be thier governor also
I dont think the FIs want to go for UDI anyway but if thats thier wish, so be it. Its not like Rhodesia where most of the population were disenfranchised to start with
Perhaps you are a real RN (rtd) commander in which case there is no harm in giving out your service number, though I suspect it will probabably be the phone number of a massage parlour in Hastings
To the Tower with you traitor and off with your head!
On second thoughts no need for that: you are off your head already
The positive forces in the UK begin to emerge……:
”So….. what is the threat posed by Argentina that is so severe that it recently prompted Cameron to announce a flippant willingness to go to war at the drop of a hat? In a word, dialogue.”
”It is time for Cameron and Hague to grow up and act in the broad national interest, not the narrow, opportunistic one of any fleeting “popularity” they feel might be generated by the rather demented paper patriotism of elements of Fleet Street. This is a sovereignty issue, recognised in international law, involving two civilised democracies.”
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/bulldog-camerons-talk-of-war-keeps-falklands-solution-in-the-kennel-8487461.html?origin=internalSearch
Chuckle chuckle©
Once again there will be NO talking No discusions on soverignty only when The Islanders wish to discus it which will not be in our life times.
Please support our other page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs -
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You pathetic deadbeat. Cameron didn't say at the drop of a hat. He said if necessary to defend against an Argentine invasion.
Not long til March Think and Commander. The internationally acknowledged and supervised referendum.
I vote YES!
Chuckle chuckle.
“This dispute will only be resolved be dialogue”
Mark 'Yorkshire' Donne should learn some basic grammar, and his editor should learn to proof-read.
Other than that, it's a poorly written biased article more intent on gaining readers due to trolling than saying anything new. Just read the comments to understand that.
Next.
Shut up you stupid!
See your posts are still up their usual low standard.
CHAPTER V
THE EXECUTIVE
Executive authority
56.—(1) The executive authority of the Falkland Islands is vested in Her Majesty.
(2) Subject to this Constitution, the executive authority of the Falkland Islands shall be exercised on behalf of Her Majesty by the Governor, either directly or through officers subordinate to him or her.
Never mind Dartmouth, it was my time at Greenwich and Watchfield that equipped me for the wider world that's so clearly a mystery to you and AB Slater (so sorry to hear about Alzheimer's in one as young as him).
On another matter, I was genuinely pleased to see the pointer in Mercopress that hinted that the Canadian Government is sending an official monitoring team to supervise the Referendum next month, complete with a Uruguayan citizen to observe them observing. It would be nice if one of the world's Republics were to do the same.
Hold your (pantomime:-)horses.....
The little “pointer” in Mercopres just says...:
“Canadian delegation”
I say...:
How do you convert those two little words above to ...:
“Canadian Government is sending an official monitoring team...”
Huhhhhhh?
You are correct, FIG can unilaterally declare independence. Executive power is exercised by the Governor. Should he wish to declare independence as a republic it can indeed be unilateral. And the UK would indeed recognise it.
However, should it wish to declare independence as a Commonwealth Realm (more likely) then it would have to pass legislation together with Westminster passing complementary legislation.
It would be interesting if anything to do with the Falklands made it to he ICJ. There is currently no international legal definition of a “nation” as in a “people”. That could open an interesting can of worms.
One of the common definitions was provided by Renan in his 1882 work 'Qu'est-ce qu'une nation?':
“A nation is a soul, a spiritual principle. Two things which are really only one go to make up this soul or spiritual principle. One of these things lies in the past, the other in the present. The one is the possession in common of a rich heritage of memories; and the other is actual agreement, desire to live together, and the will to continue to make the most of the joint inheritance.... The existence of a nation is a daily plebiscite, just as that of individuals is a continual affirmation of life.”
Describes the Falkland Islanders perfectly.
Chapter 1, Article 1, Paragraph 2 of the UN Charter refers to the “self-determination of peoples”.
Even more interesting that 'peoples' has never been defined considering it is mentioned in one if the bedrocks of international law.
Countries much larger and more important and considerably more powerful than Argentina (China and Russia spring to mind first) have a vested interest in the current ambiguity. The last thing they want is for the UN to gain a legal definition of what constitutes a people and how they can legally declare independence.
Funnily enough the UK wouldn't worry so much.
AB no fraid not Chief Petty Officer (Radar) 28 years service, 8 ships (2 for 5 years a piece) 5 shore establishments, 4 Far East and Australia / NZ deployments, 4 deployments to the US and Canada, to many to count to the Med, 5 gulf deployments including two wars, and the most important 4 deployments to the Falklands. That's what equipped me for the wider world. My Alzheimer's not to bad eh. CDR RN my arse.
According to “The Economis”, in his “Democracy Index 2012”:
Electoral Process and Pluralism: Uruguay 10.00 UK 9.58
Civil Liberties: Uruguay 9.71 UK 9.12
It seems you you have a things or two to learn from us!!!
The “finesse” of your English never ceases to amaze me...
You are right.... JB should tell us the truth...... ;-)
(51)
Twentyeight years in the Navy and you didn't learn to respect an officer?
What Navy was that?
Pitcairn's ?
(52) serendipity
:-)))))))
G'day mate. I spent time in the military and have had a professional relationship with various parts of it now for over 35 years and I have never come across anybody with a hint of an attitude like our fake commander's. I'm not sure who he thinks he's fooling. Keep pulling him up because he a nasty little deadbeat who needs to be exposed.
@54 G'day Joe he can't decide whether he lives in Dover or Eastliegh and he talks about me having Alzheimer's
For educational purposes have a shuffty at this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Services_Command_and_Staff_College.
Any info you want to share with us about that “highly publicized” Official Canadian Governmental Monitoring Team? ;-)
(55) slatzzz
Judging by your constant use of coarse epithets, you don't even respect yourself ....
No.
@56 Look I can post military bases as well en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Headquarters
I suggested that it would be good for Mr Cardoso to visit the Falklands so he can educate himself about the Islands as he is supporting the Malvinista line.
Oh look here's another one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Clyde. If you look closely at the building nearest the football pitches and foreshore (Hine Block) you'll see my car and me having a ciggy.
@64 I'm in Pompey in July for the type 42 reunion why don't you come and introduce yourself, or in fact post a link to the Navy list as a retired officer you'll be in it right?
www.navylistresearch.co.uk/
Best £6 you'll spend this year, if they'll let you sign up that is. Got a mate who had what it took to get into the SD Section and who could help you out?
Your words: ”I think it's good that the Uruguayans want to come to the Islands (to observe real democracy in action)“. That's not only about Cardoso.
There is an spanish idiom ”throw the stone and hide the hand”...
Rules of the house are...:
“Comments must be in English.”
Stop commenting in Militaribberish.
Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, German, Dutch or English will do, thanks...
All languages of Proto-Scandinavian origins and roots, you know.....
Your Militarybberish; though easy to understand, as all primitive peoples languages, is just againtst the house rules.....
Twentyeight years of Navy have surely taught you to respect the rules, right?
English will do.....
Its of 90% Scandinavian/Proto-Germanic origin
Isn't AB (R) Slater supposed to say...: “No, he did” in a situation like this?
Alzheimer light perhaps? ;-)
Anyhow, as you were, Younkers........
Well slatzzz, you've had an interesting few hours I see. What's your verdict? Is the commander ex British Forces or not? I was going to say ex British Forces or full of shit but either way he's full of shit.
Not long until the referendum. Did I mention that it will be internationally supervised and recognised? I don't mean like Timmerman's scam in London this week either.
I see the commander thinks I tell porkies. Interesting. I wonder if he's talking about that “little something” that happened in early November (forecast for October so I guess you could say I got the date wrong). Ever wonder why inward investment stepped up several gears very shortly after November Commander? Or did you even notice that it did? No. I didn't “Think” so.
Such deadbeats.
Chuckle chuckle.
You say...:
“Ever wonder why inward investment stepped up several gears very shortly after November?”
I say...:
Not really.... Can't say I noticed.... What happened?.....
Don't say that you Kelpers finally found the entrance to the Illuminati/Nazi tunnel system connecting Puerto Estanley with the rest of the World through the center of Earth?
It’s very close to Celia’s house, you know?
Chuckle chuckle©
It's the Port William “development” to replace the temporary UK MOD provided FIPASS. Inward investment sometime, possibly, once some sort of funding is sorted out. Sadly, it hasn't yet impacted the SP for FI Holdings but I'm ever hopeful.
And to be really well informed have a look at these:
www.falklands.gov.fk/assets/276-12P.pdf
and
www.falklands.gov.fk/assets/13-13P.pdf
Ahhhhh…............................ Good thing they haven’t found the tunnel.
Please forget I mentioned it ;-)
I thought that the Puerto Williams pipedream had been mothballed in favour of a 300 meters FIPASS extension to the east?
en.mercopress.com/2013/01/21/plans-for-temporary-oil-industry-port-in-the-falklands-to-develop-sea-lion-field
About our babies….
I prefer them to remain small, real small......
You know what they say...:Small kids small problems; big kids……
Chuckle chuckle©
Anyway, enough is enough. Dogs walked and I'm away to my scratcher. G'night.
Nite-Nite...............
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Read what.....? Your linked FIG documents?
Cant do that....! They are stamped “Confidential” ;-)
On another subject.....
Have Nelson & Nigger enjoyed any fowl retrieving lately or is it totally out of the question?
Gday mate.
“The first generation of immigrant to “Down Under” were criminals sent from Ukistan.”
Any real aussie no @ss sucker of the British out there?
Your right mate, Real officers earn respect, the others think they are entitled to it because they are officers.
I've served under some good one and I have served under some bloody awful ones.
Above all, loyalty, loyaly to their men is the finest command skill that they can display. I've had officers see to it that their men eat first, rest first and sleep first, then see to themselves. Strange thing though they are the ones that the guys tend to make sure are looked after, because they are so good. I've also seen officers who have been made sure they get everything first and more and could not care less, about anything other than their own careers and crawling to ingratiate themselves with their bosses.
Sad to say, I know of at least one of them who reached high rank, not staff rank, but high enough.
I do not know whether he was an officer, his obvious contempt for the lower ranks makes me think he was not, or if he was, he was one of those I would not have pissed on if he was on fire, (Hows that for lower deck?)
Your stories serving in the army make me cry boys, really...
I just waiting for the part were your superior officer made love to you (see here I was really polite).
I guess that when a superior officer mistreat the troops a good method to correct his mistake is by shooting him in @ss and then kick his head until ask for her mother.
That never fails.
Which is probably why they were able to defeat you so easily.
Relationships between officers and other ranks are prohibited by Queens Regulations. Though I will admit, I saw some stunning female bosses in my time.
When your “brave” Dirty War's officers who were in charge of standing on the Islanders necks “requested” (no, begged for) the “honor” of keeping their side arms after their surrender, it wasn't as the usual officer-to-officer courtesy. It was because if they surrendered them they would have been at what little mercy they deserved from their own soldiers they abused through your Dirty War and the illegal FI invasion and occupation itself as per their character. Don't project your military's culture onto the British soldiers, sailors and airmen who liberated the Islands from your fascist tyranny (the one your country continues to celebrate with coins and medals).
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