Saturday, February 9th 2013 - 08:49 UTC

Scandal extends to Europe: horsemeat in frozen lasagne and spaghetti Bolognese

British Environment secretary is to meet representatives from the Food Standards Agency and meat retailers and suppliers to discuss the horsemeat scandal. Owen Paterson said investigations into how beef products had been contaminated with horsemeat were ongoing but “the evidence so far suggests... it is either criminal activity or gross negligence”.

UK Environment Secretary Paterson points to Ireland and France

Tesco, Aldi and Findus have all had to withdraw food products. But the Metropolitan Police says it is not investigating any alleged criminality.

A statement from New Scotland Yard said: “Although we have met with the FSA we have not started an investigation and will not do so unless it becomes clear there has been any criminality under the jurisdiction of the Metropolitan Police service.”

Food minister David Heath said frozen food should not be discarded, and advised consumers to carry on eating meat unless told otherwise.

The FSA has asked UK firms to test all processed beef foods, but said it did not “suspect there is any health issue with frozen food”. And Mr Heath said the government's advice was “exactly that” of the FSA.

However shadow environment secretary Mary Creagh has expressed fears that other contaminated foods may be found.

Mr Paterson said: “I completely understand why people are so concerned about this issue. It's totally unacceptable that people have been sold something that is not what they think it is.

”We believe that the two particular cases of the frozen burgers from Tesco and the lasagne from Findus are linked to suppliers in Ireland and France respectively.

“The French authorities are saying they are viewing the issue as a case of fraud rather than food safety. Anyone who has these products in their freezer should return them to retailers as a precaution.”

Supermarket chain Aldi said tests on its Today's Special Frozen Beef Lasagne and Today's Special Frozen Spaghetti Bolognese showed they contained between 30% and 100% horsemeat. These had already been withdrawn after a warning from French supplier Comigel, which has told both Findus and Aldi that its products did not “conform to specification”. Comigel also said it had withdrawn all products related to its own supplier.

Findus UK became caught up in the row this week after horsemeat was found in its lasagne. The FSA said Findus had tested the meat in 18 of its beef lasagne products and found 11 meals in which it contained between 60% and 100% horsemeat. The meals have been withdrawn by Findus.

The FSA also said it was “highly likely” criminal activity was to blame for the contamination.

There is also a wider issue for the European authorities. The rules on labelling for meat products are fairly straightforward. But the rules are less clear on the provenance of meat when it comes to the ingredients of processed products. And food analysts are now calling for a review.

Since Comigel also supplies the Benelux, Scandinavian and Eastern Bloc supermarket chains, this is fast becoming a European problem.

Horsemeat may not pose a significant risk to humans but the health of European food processing is very much open to question.

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1 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 09:21 am Report abuse
Speaking about (pantomime) horses....

British Environment secretary says...:
“ Investigations into how beef products had been contaminated with horsemeat were ongoing...”

I say....:
Nice example of British “Stiff Upper Lip” or, as we mortals call it, “Lies”...
“Beef products **”contaminated“** with horsemeat”, he says......
“100% contaminated with horsemeat”, the laboratories say....

Brainwash anybody?
2 ElaineB (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 09:31 am Report abuse
Don't be so simplistic. This looks as if it is moving to a criminal investigation.

It is far more complex than you seem to be able to comprehend.
3 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 09:42 am Report abuse
(2) ElaineB

You mean like...: The London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR) scandal....
A scandal far, far more complex than you seem able to comprehend....
You better keep commenting on ladies shoes and nerve medicines....
You seem to feel quite at home about those topics....
4 Clyde15 (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 10:33 am Report abuse
Yes, it is bad BUT at least we do something about it whereas Argentina denies any possible irregularities in its financial dealings.
5 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
(4) Clyde15

YOU are doing something about it?
The London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR) scam has been going on for, at least, thirty (30) years.

If it wasn't for some AMERICAN bankers trying to save their own skin from going to prision, it would have continued for another 30......

And what does LONDON do?
Say to the rest of the world...:
”We are sorry, old Chaps....
W'ont happen again ;-)

Precisely the kind of British “Stiff Upper Lip” aka “lies” your British Environment secretary shows when calling it..:
**“Beef products contaminated with horsemeat”**
When reality is..:
**“100% pure, unadultered horsemeat”**

Brainwash anybody?
6 ElaineB (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 11:12 am Report abuse
There is no brainwashing. If you were able to watch the news reports here you would see that this has been fully reported and discussed.

Why is it so difficult to keep your mind focused on one topic? You are rambling about unrelated subjects like shoes and medication.
7 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 11:29 am Report abuse
(6) ElaineB

You like to portrait yourself as a person with some knowedlege about Economics....

Yet, your mayor contribution on these pages has been commenting about purchase of ladies shoes and use of nerve medicine........
.........Or lifting your little, acusing finger, telling us how your “many friends in Argentina” tell you how bad things are in Argentina....

However, when confronted with your own challenges, your turnipy arguments are...:
”( 2 ) ElaineB .... It is far more complex than you seem to be able to comprehend.“
”(6) ElaineB ....“If you were able to watch the news reports here you would see that this has been fully reported and discussed.”

Brainwash anybody?
8 CaptainSilver (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
Think - an oxymoron? Concern yourself with your corned beef. If you had a free press and you were able to read intelligently through that cloud of hate, propaganda and hyperbole that surrounds you, you might be capable of understanding better.
9 Clyde15 (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
At least we have a “brain ” to wash----and you ?
10 Trunce (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
“The FSA said Findus had tested the meat in 18 of its beef lasagne products and found 11 meals in which it contained between 60% and 100% horsemeat”

So, as much as 40% contamination ; )
11 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
(10) Trunce


The “All New” British Burger...
50% pantomime horse...
50% mad cow... ;-)


British pantomime horses....
And mad cows
12 Conqueror (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
@11 But then no argie meat is fit for human consumption! Due to all the “veterinary” drugs, banned in Europe' that are fed to the animals. I wonder if that's why all argies are psychotic?
13 Trunce (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:04 pm Report abuse
Haven't quite grasped concept of humour, have you......
14 DanyBerger (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Ha ha ha

I told you British safety standards are only on paper, none controls anything in UK.

And the next time suppliers will use rat meat and they will eat anyway because they are so dumbass.

What will happen in UK? Nothing as always because UK is a falling country.

Never eat meat or something contain meat in UK could be dangerous trust me.
15 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
(13) Trunce

Talking to me or to the turnip at (12)?
I “Think” your humour is good.....
16 Trunce (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
@11 & 14

Is it the concept of self deprecating humour that evades Argies?

Lets try some standard humour.
17 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
(16) Trunce

Hold your horses Trunce.... (and eat them :-)

I just said at (15) that the humour at your comment (10) was “GOOD”

I even included a smiley ” ;-) ”at my comment (11)

Is it the concept of reading what's written that evades Brits?
18 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
Filthy, disgusting, Europeans. then you wonder why you have all those strange diseases from eating foods. No one in Argentina worries about that. We eat BEEF, like from cows.
19 Trunce (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:55 pm Report abuse

“Is it the concept of reading what's written that evades Brits?”

Not usually for me, but on this forum, I sometimes have difficulty with direct Google translation of articles Spanish/English which have to be re-read to grasp and sometimes guess at the intended meaning.
20 Anglotino (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
I'm loving the schadenfreude so gleefully and prolifically vomited by Think.

Interesting that he seems to honing in on the British part of the story when it is Britain that is blowing the whole thing into the open.

Especially considering one if the main culprits is Findus-a SWEDISH company.

And the source of the meat may be from FRANCE and/or ROMANIA!!!!!!

Though the EU consumes 80,000 tonnes of horse meat a year, about a third of which is imported from countries including ARGENTINA.

Now that would be funny. God forbid Argentina lose another source of export income. Perhaps Findus could repackage it for export to Argentina.

Lasagne with 100% Argentinean Horsemeat.
21 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
Difference is your argie horsemeat lasagna is a pipedream.

THIS is not:

“The 1981 discovery that horsemeat and kangaroo meat were being substituted for beef in meat exported by Australia to the United States and other countries produced widespread changes in Australian law and administration related to commodity exports.”

Now we know what they mean by “down under”.... hahahahahahaha! yummm
22 ElaineB (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
@18 Yes, you eat every part of the cow. Some of my Argentine friends love the fatty parts I wouldn't touch but it is a matter of individual taste.

British beef is amongst the safest in the world, that is a fact. This news story concerns PROCESSED food using meat from other countries and processed, for the most part, in other countries. There is nothing wrong with eating horse meat and Argentina exports horse meat for consumption in countries that enjoy eating it.

This is likely to be a criminal investigation because the processors, retailers and consumers were lied to by the suppliers of the meat. Where the meat came from has been reported as Romania, Ireland, even Argentina but it will take time for the facts to be confirmed. A thorough investigation will determine the source.

I agree that I wouldn't eat processed food but it is for sale in supermarkets in the UK and in Argentina (I know, I shopped in them when I lived there for months at a time). So, some Argentines do eat processed food, even if you don't.

I prefer to cook from scratch when I am at home but I have no control over what I am served in restaurants on my travels, other than to choose a good establishment or take a recommendation. It works most of the time though I did get salmonella poisoning from a restaurant in Mar del Plata and once had the worst meal I can ever recall in a restaurant in Chiloé; I swear everything came out of a tin and was inedible. But that is not bad considering how much I travel.
23 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
In Argentina horsemeat like chickenmeat is considered poor man's beef. Always has, always been. Why fried chicken has ALWAYS failed in Argentina no matter how many times KFC and other Latin chains have tried to enter the market.
24 Trunce (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
14 & 21

Don't be too quick to crow.

“HSI said ex-racehorses and other animals were routinely given veterinary drugs banned in the EU, where consumers eat about 80,000 tonnes of horse meat a year, a third imported from outside the union, much of it from Argentina, Canada and Mexico.”
25 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse

Let's make one thing perfectly clear....
Horse meat is excellent meat....
Donkey meat is even better.....
Problem is those bloody lying, cheating Poms selling it as “Veal” or “Beef”.

A Tucker Tip for our young but ignorant Ozzie mates….
Best lasagna in the world is made with chicken giblets, veal sweetbreads andpigs brains….
26 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:21 pm Report abuse

Canada and Mexico are in North America, veterinary drug capital of the world. Argentina does not use them... we are too poor anyway, remember?

No tainted horsemeat like the UK, no kangoroo meat like Australia, no mad cow like Brazil, no BGH cows... that's why there hasn't been a mad cow case on a human in Argentina in 247 years unlike Europe, and no rampant “premature sexual maturity” in girls, unlike in the USA, Mexico, etc, where girls are getting their periods at age 8.
27 Trunce (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:25 pm Report abuse

”Problem is those bloody lying, cheating Poms selling it as “Veal” or “Beef”

Apparently not. The lying and cheating seems to have been on the part of foreign suppliers.
28 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
(27) Trunce

One thing I learned about European Nations....
When things go well... it's the Individual State's merit.
When things go wrong... it's the other European States's fault.
29 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:40 pm Report abuse

They honestly can't see that Think, I've been trying to tell them for months how pathetically sad they appear when they engage in such behavior, but they still do it.

It's an incorrigible European trait I suppose. They do that all the time with their history too.

For example, when they want to insult Argentina about not having as many “contributions” they proudly vaunt: “Europe... acqueducts, printing press, telescope, cars, the ”www“... our history is so much richer than yours too”.

But then when I naturally (and predictably) mention all the wars, the tortures, the genocides, the disease, the crusades, etc... they immediately jump “oh, but you can't blame US modern Europeans for that!”

They want all the appurtenances of long history but disown all the baggage. Same as you said, with taking all the credit when their nations do something well today, but then blame the UN or EU if something just doesn't go well.

It's puerile, it's vacuous, it's sad.
30 Trunce (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:45 pm Report abuse

“No tainted horsemeat like the UK, no kangoroo meat like Australia”

As Think said - nothing wrong with horsemeat. There is nothing wrong with kangeroo, croc, or anything else, providing it is safe and you are indeed eating the animal you think you are eating.

Whatever your perception - still to early to draw your conclusion.

Anyway, I'm off to Pizza Express, they have a new horsemeat Pizza - Pony Express.
31 Think (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
(30) Trunce

Your humour is still good...
Almost as good as Argentinean humour...
Hope you get better at reading what's written.....

El Think, Chubut, Argentina.
32 Clyde15 (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 03:57 pm Report abuse
No mad cow in Argentina ? Hmm.
33 ElaineB (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
@29 Um, TTT, how many times have you proclaimed yourself Mendozan when you want to distance yourself from Argentina and exalted South American achievements in an attempt to elevate yourself? Many, many times. You are projecting again.

For your information, horse meat to far leaner and more healthy than beef. You are right that chickens in Argentina are awful. One of my much travelled Argentine friends pointed it out to me. She said. “Our chicken is awful, scrawny and tough, nothing like the chicken in Europe”. So maybe you should consider that.
34 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse

Thank you for your non-denial denial.

ps - I have no problem with horse meat. I woudn't eat it, I could eat duck or jabali so who am I to judge. I do have a problem if they try to sell me horse meat as “beef”, or I go eat a hamburger and it has kangoroo in it. I guess you Europeans have lower standards.
35 toooldtodieyoung (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
33 ElaineB

Don't worry too much about it Elaine. Tito The Clown Troll, given enough rope will always, always hang himself, poor blind fool.

“I guess you Europeans have lower standards” you see what I mean? he tries to understand, but it's all a bit beyond him.
36 ElaineB (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
@35 I know, but sometimes I like to play with him. I shouldn't as he is such an easy target.

@34 Exactly! As I said in my post @ 22 it is the fact that someone in the food process is lying that makes this criminal. It seems to be the meat suppliers and who that is has yet to be confirmed.
37 Ayayay (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
@7 Are you a hundred? Today you made the SUSSIE character seem bright by comparison.
Wake up, Rumplestilskin, he Arg pres is a woman. Say the magic words with me: Merkel.. Lagard.. Dilma!!!!

•The Australian government has experienced 60 quarters of growth!! -their minimum wage is $16!!. Their leader-Julia.

•Sweden & Finland have more females than males (Finland 60%) ministers in governance.

•New Hampshire, the WASPy U.S. state near the top of the U.S. quality of life index-100% female everything.

•Canada's major governors are 80% female-& they've 'best run economy in the world'.

38 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
Ahh that's the reason why so many English have a horse-face! :-))
I wonder if Prince William was fed with Tesco burgers.

“Among the substances being tested for are ”bute“, a painkiller used on horses which makes them unfit for human consumption”
Mad cow and now this?
What the hell this people eat or feed their animals.
39 Conqueror (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 07:06 pm Report abuse
@13 Of course I have. You're a hilarious, lying, argie prick! Oh, sorry. Do argies have pricks?
@14 Shit on argieland. No-one will be able to tell the difference!
@15 Who's a faggot? A cowardly, argie faggot. Existing in Scandinavia. On “benefits” are you, slug? Or do you just bend over?
@17 Why don't you bacteria understand that we find you funny? Watch out, Domestos on the way!
@18 No, you eat what you are TOLD is beef. It's actually reconstituted argie shit. Doesn't it come over as a little glutinous and “smooth”? Probably from your “neighbours”. Enjoy!
@23 Why would argies want to stop eating shit? Feeds the psychosis. Lovely argie shit. How do you advertise it? Pre-digested?
@25 Thanks for your support. So much for argie lies!
@26 No truth like argieland! Before I retired, I am proud of the amount of argie “meat” I had destroyed.
@29 But then, why would anyone civilised have a conversation with a genocidal murderer? Or a murdering genocide? Have you ever thought that you don't deserve to be alive? We can come to the question of whether a brainless animate should survive later?
@34 You may be right. We haven't killed you, have we? Yet!
@38 We're considering feeding them argie corpses. Fresh, of course. are you volunteering?
40 Trunce (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 07:20 pm Report abuse

“Especially considering one if the main culprits is Findus-a SWEDISH company”

Not sure about that - a little Googling indicates that owners may be Lion Capital,
a UK private equity company.


”Ahh that's the reason why so many English have a horse-face! :-))”

Hmmm - not sure how high that ranks on the humour score - a little inspiration perhaps ; )
41 slattzzz (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@34 well i'd stock up on anything you can get before your economy goes tits up. (very shortly), most of all bog paper as I hear that horse meat can play havoc with your insides, (not that you'll be able to afford horse meat) Cat is quite nice I believe, or snake, theres enough snakes in rgenweener to last you for ages
42 andy65 (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
What these greaeballs do not understand is that the contamination as occured OUTSIDE The UK

Once again The Great British bring to light wrong doings in the world.
43 Pirate Love (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
id rather be fed horse than fed la campora bullsh*t t school

before malvistas get on their high horse heres a little something to chew over.

Argentine government Imposes Ad Ban to force non-governement dependent newspapers of out business. “smells like dictatorship” :)

Shooting murder of key witness Eleven train Tragedy, convenient for argentine governement

Jewish leadership claims to be “shaken” by the advance of the dubious agreement with Iran and argentina

Bright spots in Latin America despite argentina and venezuela poor performance

as for horse it can be quite tasty, but if you have paid for beef you should have beef, however it is a shame all that great very cheap food being wasted at well stocked UK shops when we could easily send it to a 3rd world country like argentina to help out all those poverty stricken people not having enough peso for their daily basket along with food shortages it just all seems a terrible waste, when we could give it to the very neediest of the world.

44 Ayayay (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
@7 Forgot 1. What is the Euro sorrounded area nation that DIDN'T join the Euro and didn't get dragged down?

Hint: 4% unemployment, no real.poverty and everyone has a crazy high standard of living.
Switzerland has had a female president.since 2000, and a majoroty female cabinet since 2010. Good job, Eveline!!
45 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
It is not just about the frozen lasagne and spaghetti Bolognese or the burgers at Tesco. I would not worry about horse meat that much but worry about what your British government doesn't tell you.
You probably were fed with dog food for years and you don't have a clue.
Your government tells you that the beef that you eat comes from healthy cows and Malvinas belong to UK....the reality is not.

“Horse meat could be found in even more British foods within days, ministers warned on Saturday”
46 Pirate Love (#) Feb 09th, 2013 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
like i said marcos, horse can be very tasty and is a delicacy in some South America, China, Japan, and many European countries, myself i couldnt care less if it was horse or beef,horse is a bonus, a tasty treat, UK government does not say “the beef that you eat comes from healthy cows and Malvitas belong to UK”, as the beef entering the UK is down to the retailers who stock it NOT the repsonsibility of The UK governement and they have certainly never mentioned this place “Malvitas” not once, its isnt even on the global map, is it a place in lord of the rings? or Skyrim? did you dream it?
still i would get yourself checked out for mad cow disease, you are showing worring symptoms and we wouldnt want you contaminating my corned beef!

SELF-DETERMINATION.....Its contagious!
47 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 12:05 am Report abuse
Welcome to British capitalism, profit over the truth.
They tell their people that your food is made with cow beef but instead is horse meat or God knows what else.

all is for sale.
48 andy65 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 12:30 am Report abuse
Due to inpending food shortages in Argentina due to price controls a huge order of frozen horse burgers have been snapped up by a leading Argentine supermarket chain, they are on there way tonight on the Britush Airways fligh into B.A.
49 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 12:38 am Report abuse
At least we know what kind of meat they used in those burgers, not like you that you ate them over and over for ten years :-))
50 andy65 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 12:43 am Report abuse
I don't eat burgers unlike your president who looks like a burger a RAT BURGER LOL, tell me Marcos what do you think about the statement below.
The personal wealth of the Kirchners, their relatives and key business and political associates rose dramatically: in her recent sworn statement of personal assets, Cristina Kirchner admitted having a net worth of over $ 70 million.

”When asked how she had managed to amass such a huge fortune with her modest salary as congresswoman and then President, she explained this was the result of her “successful career as a lawyer”. However, she has never been able to produce evidence that she even graduated from Law School, nor evidence of any lawsuit in which she collected substantial lawyer’s fees.

LOL Crissy as your money Crissy and Maximo get rich while Marcos Alejandro
lives on less than $7 per day.
You should go now and camp outside the supermarket so you can be first in line for the horse burgers
51 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 01:07 am Report abuse
Joke of the day
The brits are just mad because the horse meat, being a little tougher than cow, is hard to chew with those rotten teeth. :-)))
52 andy65 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 01:45 am Report abuse
We don't eat horse meat so how do you know the horse is tougher than the cow??? thats a terrible way to talk about your lady Crissy
53 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 02:24 am Report abuse
Ok but you love kangoroo which your aussie cousins supply to you with glee.
54 DanyBerger (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 03:04 am Report abuse
Another show off from British liars and deniers about not to get responsibilities for they incompetence.

They sale food but have no clue what are they selling.
British FSA is not controlling these unscrupulous business are selling to the defenceless British consumers.

Companies as always in corrupted Britain will not get any sanction (like the banks) and in 3 months the same companies will be selling hamburgers with meat rat on it and if something happen they can always use the “Wasn’t me” trick ask Romanians...

Then you wonder why Britain is a dysfunctional falling nation?
55 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 03:21 am Report abuse
And this stuff with meat keeps happening in Europe and the USA all the time... it's been on the news periodically since I have consciousness of life.

Wasn't the capitalist system supposed to prevent all that crap by ensuring that competition brought out the best in people and products? It sure seem to fail CONSTANTLY on that one!
56 Anglotino (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 03:30 am Report abuse
@21 Nostril

Thanks very much for that link. Quite interesting really that you want to judge modern day Australia by something that happened 32 years ago in 1981. Nothing more recent?

Why do I find this so interesting? Well you are the first to jump up and down when modern day Argentina is tarred with the brush of 1981. You know, a year in which Argentina wasn't a democracy. Was run as a military dictatorship. Not sure if they were still throwing people out of planes in that actual year. And the economic problems were mounting. The Falkland Islands seemed like such a convenient scapegoat.

You continually harp on about how disingenuous all the non-Argentineans are when they bring up examples from the past to attack the present. Mind you I'm not surprised you are such a hypocrite.

But I'm glad you once again highlighted how well Australia does things. 32 years ago Australia had a food standards problem and it tackled that problem. It hasn't been repeated. Indeed we now try to regulate foreign countries through our live trade exports-not something I'm not in total agreement with.

32 years ago Argentina had a problem. I think it was called 'La última junta militar'! Interesting that it is just the LAST one. Have to differentiate from the others I suppose. Didn't learn after the LAST one before? Or the one before?

Did Argentina learn? By the increasingly autocratic tendencies of the current Argentinean government, the answer would seem to be no. By the mounting economic problems, the answer would seem to be no. By the increased Falkland Islands rhetoric, the answer would seem to be no.

Indeed considering the current state of the Argentine economy, it appears as if mistakes from less than 30 years ago are starting to be repeated.

32 years ago Australia had a problem and fixed it.
32 years ago Argentina had a problem and is now repeating them.

So tell me, which country did you paint in a bad light with you comment?

Australia learns.
Argentina doesn't.
57 Nostrolldamus the 10th (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 04:07 am Report abuse
You can't learn from mistakes when you are perfect.

Argentina: never sold kangoroo meat as beef.
Argentina: never sold horse meat as beef.
Argentina: no cases of mad cow in its history

No need to learn anything.
58 Clyde15 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 10:08 am Report abuse
“No need to learn anything.”
The usual arrogant statement we have come to expect from you.
Every country needs to learn either from its own mistakes or the mistakes of others.

The trouble with Argentina is that it does not seem to have grasped this principle.

Your problem, as a self confessed isolationist, you think that your Country“mendoza” can live in a bubble of perfection requiring nothing from outside your boundaries. Good luck to you if this is what you believe.
North Korea thinks like that but its neighbour South Korea does not,
In which country would you rather live ?
59 Anglotino (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 10:26 am Report abuse
@57 Nostrils

“You can't learn from mistakes when you are perfect.”

Oh I've never claimed that Australia is perfect. That would be false and conceited.

But it is a hell of a lot better off than Argentina especially considering we have such similar histories..... well we were lucky enough to have the British Empire found us and not the Spanish Empire.

“Argentina: never sold kangoroo meat as beef.”

I'd hope not! Have you ever seen a kangaroo for real? From the DFAT website:
'The Australian kangaroo industry estimates that it exports kangaroo meat to more than 55 countries. Kangaroo meat is increasingly popular and export markets are expected to increase since kangaroo is considered one of the finest game meats. Its growing appeal stems from its well-flavoured, slightly gamey taste. Kangaroo meat contains very little saturated fat relative to other meats and is high in protein, zinc and iron.'

Worth about US$250 million a year. Nowhere near our US$5 billion exports of beef.

And I don't shy away from your claim. We did wrong and fixed the problem. Has there been a repeat of this since 1981?

Argentina: never sold horse meat as beef.

Correct I am guessing. I'll take your word. Australia has. Back in 1981!

“Argentina: no cases of mad cow in its history”

Neither has Australia.

Let's try some more:
Australia: never had a case of foot and mouth
Australia: never had a military government.
Australia: never defaulted on debt.
Australia: never had inflation above 30%
Australia: never re-denominated a worthless currency.
Australia: never invaded a neighbour

Argentina has had all these things SINCE 1981.

“No need to learn anything.”

Really? Australia learns from countries like Argentina all the time.

And when it comes to learning from our mistakes, we don't keep repeating them like Argentina.

It only the EU had learnt from our mistake.
60 DanyBerger (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 11:19 am Report abuse
Oh! British incompetence cannot stop to amaze me...

Now the idiots were exporting meat from Britain to the continent infected with dangerous hormones for humans.

“Animals slaughtered in Britain for consumption in EU contaminated with drug harmful to humans”

I reckon the idiots here living in deny that were talking about the high standards on food that exist in UK that they have to start to get in touch with reality...
61 andy65 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 12:34 pm Report abuse
@57 Nostrolldamus the How can you lie and say that Argentina as never had MAD COW

Who the hell is running your country you fool???


You really need to get to grips with reality my friend
62 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
The story says that 23 samples in the past “TEN” years were detected as being contaminated. Think that shows that the system works. Hows that for reality?

By the way, hows your beef exports doing, still banned from the states?
63 ElaineB (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 03:08 pm Report abuse
It does seem likely that the horse meat originated from Romania and was illegally exported, then passed off as beef.

I know how desperate you anti-Brits are trying to make this entirely a British issue but you fail miserably. British meat is safe. Horse meat was illegally sold by Romanians for process in France and sold to the UK as beef. This scam has been uncovered in the UK and the government are dealing with it.

Think on this.... how do you know your processed meat is 100% beef in Argentina? Can you really trust your government that lies to you every single day?

You know there is a price freeze but your government says not.

You know inflation is out of control but your government says not.

You know crime is at an all time high but your government says not.

How can you trust anything CFKC and her goons tell you?
64 THEMan (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
@57 Tobias Nostrillising Troll You still avoid the fact that your country near-wiped out the entire indigenous population of Argentina. I'd call that a little hypocritical.
And hey if we were filthy, why would Scotland be one of the highest rated countries in the world for earnings per person, press freedom, living standards and education? It's a whole lot better than whatt Argentina has...
65 Pirate Love (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
its a shame this unfortunate issue of mislabelling on beef products originating in europe has strangely given our pro-argentine chums a extremely rare opportunity to have a raging hard on as they somehow see this as UK incompetence but even they surely understand that this isnt the case and that the incident happened outside the UK and beyond its control,and that is all it is at this moment in time “mislabelling” unless of course any trolls out there have concrete proof of anything untoward then i suggest they contact the relevant authorities with their information, otherwise admit they know nothing and would be better off using their time to organise food aid for all those poor people in BA. Maybe the pro-argentine paper “Independent” can help with that.

66 Orbit (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@63 - Indeed... I just can't see how any instrument of government in Argentina - whether it be food standards agencies or otherwise - could break from the mold and be objective, transparent, efficient, free from corruption and central government interference. The chances of any scandals being uncovered there - unless it serves against a political opponent or to exert control over a sector seem highly unlikely in this context.
67 malen (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
63 processed beef??? its not the best way to eat beef.....
even in bolognesa beef meat isnt so processed, you can cut the beef with knive in big pieces, why do you eat all so processed???
68 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
67 malen
Very simple Malen, not only British food is horrible they don't know how to cook...que rico mi asadito hoy(beef)

63 ElaineB
Selling a product as beef, and including horse in it is fraud isn't?
Britain at is best.
69 malen (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
68 they eat “suela de zapatos”, so its the same horse or cow....
70 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
Marcos Alejando Aka Lord Haw Haw.
The British expert Argentine Ex pat, giving us the benefit of the knowledge he has gleaned from living here all these years and at the same time stabbing us in the back. Typical Argentine, can not understand why? if he dislikes it here so much, he does not go back home. He surely can not be in any danger anymore, the juntas been long gone. Could it be that he prefers living life here in the UK, to living there. Would certainly appear to be so.

Doesn't he realise the meat is imported mislabelled from the EU. Truth be, he knows full well it is, but in typical Argentine fashion, he lies anyway.
71 ElaineB (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
@68 Absolutely it is fraud. The Romanians committed fraud by selling it to the French as beef. The French possibly committed fraud by processing it and selling it to the UK retailers as beef. Let us hope they are prosecuted.

The retailers in the UK have been the victim of fraud.

I don't know if you have ever been to the UK but to say the food is horrible is stupid in the extreme. Some food is shit and some is excellent. The same as in Argentina. Interestingly, the number of people, particularly in BsAs, that complain about the food there is high. Menus are pretty similar in so many establishments and the people there complain endlessly about it. Pasta, pasta, pasta. No decent chicken anywhere and cheap cuts of meat unless you eat in expensive restaurants. (These have more tourists than locals).

@67 I agree. But Argentina sells processed meat also in supermarket meals. Personally, I wouldn't eat ready meals but people do in the UK and in Argentina.

Stop trying to grapple for a straw to clutch at. Just feel lucky you have food to eat because it will soon be beyond your meagre income.
72 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
He knows the UK. He should do, he lives here! he's an ex pat!
73 andy65 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro So why is it you prefer to live in The UK and not Argentina???? perhaps you are one of THE DISSAPEARD,you do know British Airwars flys daily to Argentina now so no reason to stay if you don't like it or perhaps our bennefits are to good
74 GeoffWard2 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
Well, Think! ... if the French are clearing their supermarket shelves ... and the French really LIKE their horsemeat!

Never bothered me personally, except to the extent that horse (no control on the product) is sold as high-cost beef (massive controls), making under-the-counter big profits to those who sell one product masquerading as another.

Have regularly and happily eaten goat, rabbit, hare, pigeon, horse, crocodile, ostrich, deer, .. even agouti rodents (tepizcuinte, paca, gibnot) etc., but have veered away from monkey and other 'bushmeats' in order to conserve wild species.
For me the only issue is of 'profit from misrepresentation'.
75 ElaineB (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
@72 So why does he live here if he hates it so much? And where does he eat the terrible food? Can't he cook?

@74 I agree completely.

Have you tried Kudu? Delicious.
76 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
69 malen :-))

OMG, how many times that I have to say that I don't have a single drop of British blood on me? I know my English is horrible and I can easily be confused with one of you.
I visited your country for a few days long ago, I had a good time and most of the people I met were real nice(not like the MercoPenguin News crowd)

71 ElaineB

You have to know where to go eat well in Argentina, not necessarily you need to go to an expensive restaurant, my humble parrilla will do it.
About British food
Haggis (probably just something used to scare children)
Shepherds' Pie at its best, it is pretty bad.
Baked beans as a breakfast food.
Well, you tell me what did I miss.
About the horse meat fraud. blaming the French(so British) and anybody else is not really the point here, no FSA tests for horse(rat/snake..)-meat in a decade is the real problem.
77 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
I have no idea, but wait until he returns, you will see a marked decline in his use of the english language, seems he is also not averse to also insulting our imtelligence.
78 Clyde15 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
I have just come back from a shopping trip and decided to look at the meat counters in Sainsbury's and Morrisons supermarkets to see the source of their suppliers.
All the meat I could see was sourced from Scottish farms.
Beef all Scottish sourced.
Lamb was either Scottish or New Zealand, (if frozen)
Pork was from various UK or Danish sources.
Venison Scottish or New Zealand .
Milk sourced from local Scottish dairies - I can see the cows from my back window.
Poultry is sourced from our local Agricultural college - no hormones or anti-biotics permitted.
So. it appears we are fairly lucky here as we do not buy any processed meats other than salamis or cold ham.

Where does Argentina appear in the top restaurant guides ? They are not quoted in the top 50 ! An Argentinian chef is quoted at no.99 for his restaurant in LONDON !
Remember, food is a personal taste. You prefer Argentinian cooking, I may not . It does not mean that either of us is right. It only shows our preferences.
If you prefer eating beef regularly, with the increased risk of bowel cancer, good luck to you.
79 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
77 RC You said “insulting our imtelligence”
No no no, why I would do that? :-))
80 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
What's up Marcos. what happened to you lapsing back into your school boy english? Given up that tactic.

Three days and all that knowledge about the British, not English, diet.
Impressed by your knowledge of the Greta British Fry up Breakfast, the Baked Beans, very clever.

FSA, nice use of the correct acronym there by the way.

you do not live here, pull the other one?
81 briton (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
Once again its somebody else’s fault,
But are these brain dead Argies interested,

Its always the fault of the British,
Talk about desperation and obsession.
82 andy65 (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
@Marcos Alejandro, LOL looks like you have been smoked out,admit it you love the benefits,tells us what there like in Argentina then I will know if you are for real
83 ElaineB (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
@76 You should advise your fellow Argentines where to eat well because they might stop complaining about it.

A very poor effort at criticising British food. Seriously. And this from an Argentine. I have been to asados where they eat EVERY PART of the animal. Parts I would only give to a dog. So quit trying to make out Argentine food is world renowned; it isn't. Your beef is considered good but you know very well that the best Argentine meat goes for export and not the domestic market.

Something I enjoy about travel is trying the local cuisine and it is hit and miss. Some is great and some is puzzlingly bad.
84 Musky (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
Well I went to Tesco this afternoon to buy a pack of their minced beef, gonna make a nice Nag Bol tonight!
85 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
I have heard so much about Kobe Beef but have never tasted it. I suppose it is another one for the bucket list, maybe one day.
86 briton (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
Romania it seems may be behind it all,
87 malen (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
So Elaine, the horse meat has passed 2 at least controls and nobody was able to detect in color taste smell etc the difference????
Mortadela tastes looks different than other meats, and its processed, its easy to distinguish.
And Marcos, those scones that are so british, have you ate them??? Pure dry, and no taste at all.
And Elaine, you can ask the butcher, to process (picar) in front of you the meat, and you can choose what meat in Arg.
88 Conqueror (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@45,47,49,51,53,55,57,60,67,68,69,76 There is a well-known dish in Britain called “faggot”. Unfortunately, there have been a l0t of argies that “thought” this referred to them. As a result, they travelled to the UK looking for a job. But they couldn't be used. We're picky. Anything argie makes us vomit. So we ground them up and used them as pig food! Initially, it was a bit of a problem. Used to put them in the grinder feet first. But they kept jabbering in their gibberish and making high-pitched noises. After that, we fed them in head-first. A lot quieter. No more need for the ear protectors. But the pigs fart a lot. Do you think there's any connection?
@79 You have to be forgiven. How would you recognise “intelligence”? It's not as though you or the majority of the rest of your herd has any!
89 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
If meat went through the system all ready processed. I could understance it, I mean one type of ground meat looks the same as another, but surely a butcher or a meat handler can tell the difference between a horse and a cow carcass.
Stinks of an organised fraud to me.
90 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
“Stinks of an organised fraud to me”
About time you start using your brain Brit :-)

I am beginning to consider your offer to move to England after reading what this lazy Somali got from your great government.
Horse meat for you, nice home for this “hard working people” :-)
91 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
How about you start by telling the truth ex pat. Thought after years of association with us, that nasty argie habit would have worn off, but clearly not!
92 Marcos Alejandro (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:35 pm Report abuse
87 malen
No I haven't but I can imagine :-)

91 Save that house for me.
93 Musky (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
@90 MA
Britain has been a soft touch for dishing out well intentioned benefits, to such an extent that some cannot match job income against the benefits. Benefits are regardless of origin, a new EU arrival gets as much as british national. New limits have been introduced so limits benefits to £25,000 pa, the average household income. Prior to this limit, benefits were effectively unlimited. This particular type of case is becoming rarer and rarer. It's a fantastic house in fantastic location, jammy buggers.
94 DanyBerger (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 08:58 pm Report abuse

Stop talking BS please. Will you?

Any dog in Argentina even from the streets eats far, far, far better meat that what you can eat in a expensive restaurant in UK.

The meat ate in Argentina has an average of 2 days after the animals was sacrificed that makes a substantial difference with a similar cut in UK that at least got 6 months frozen.

Chicken, chicken, chicken, bla, bla your chickens comes mostly from Brazil and they are all over Europe.

All “commercial” chickens are processed using an industry standard that was taken from Netherlands called Chille or something like that. People in Argentina complain about chickens because they want chicken from “Granjas” that means the chicken was raised naturally like 50 years ago and without any industrialisation stuff.

So in short UK has the worst food I have ever seen, don’t trust Argies ask any French and he will tell how bad is the food in UK compared with France, Italy or Argentina.

The problem with you seems to be that you got accustomed to eat British crap food and when you do that it is quite difficult to know what is good or bad.


Why always Britons talk about having restaurants in a list as Synonymous of good cuisine?

No arguments perhaps?
95 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
All that crap food and we can still kept you from getting your hands on the islands. You should not have invaded mate, you should have leaflet dropped your menus all over the islands. Seduced the population round to your ways, with your famous Aude cuisine and all on $7:00 dollars a day, C'est Manafique.
96 DanyBerger (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
@reality check

If you want seduction go to the love parade in Berlin sure someone will indicated your new role in the relationship.

And do you know what?

Will not cost you a penny...
but will hurts for sure...Ouch!

well what do you expect for something that is free?.
97 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
Really,You seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject? speaking from personal experience are we Danny Bugger. whoops! slip of the keys.

Sorry mate strictly hetro, but don't let me put you off, what you do with your own orifices, is your own business. But don't forget, safe sex, rubber up, you know it makes sense.
98 DanyBerger (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 10:01 pm Report abuse
@reality check

No, no I know it just because a former Royal navy marine told me while he was confessing with tears in his eyes his love for his superior officer.

More sensitive he became when he started to ask to other fellow about how the life under the deck as if he was missing something...

Well you know another sad love story that you can find in British forums.
99 reality check (#) Feb 10th, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
Wow, do tell. I am enthralled. Was that before or after? he ripped you a new orifice, to replace the one you wore out.

Very obliging the RM even former RM's. He probably remembered the procedure from the last time he had a nocturnal liaison with an Rg conscript, on some romantic windswept South Atlantic mountain.

A little rude of him really, could have waited till the lad finished working on his menu.

Now show your appreciation to the nice RM treat this one with more care.
100 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 12:13 am Report abuse
what he says here,
and what he says to the mans face,
is entirly two different things.
101 Hepatia (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 03:26 am Report abuse
It seems a shame that Europeans are forced to eat horse meat. There are a number of American beef exporters, including Argentina, Brazil, Canada, the US and Uruguay, that can export to Europe. Maybe Europe should import more beef from these countries.
102 agent999 (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 06:58 am Report abuse
They are importing enough horses from Argentina
103 ElaineB (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 09:59 am Report abuse
@87 Yes, even the little village I live in has a butchers shop and the butcher provides and prepares whatever meat I request. Every cut of beef can be traced to the location, herd and the exact animal. Chickens are free-range and local....I could go on.

My point is that I have lived in BsAs for months at a time and when I had an apartment there I used the supermarkets. You have packaged meat and meals just the same as the UK.

But back to the main point. This appears to be a part of a serious fraud originating in Romania. None of the meat passed off as beef has been tested as harmful, (though it is early days in the investigation) and the issue is one of fraud.
104 Clyde15 (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 10:37 am Report abuse
You keep saying how crap food is in Britain and how wonderful it is in Argentina.
I was just quoting from a top restaurant survey which did not have 1 Argentinian restaurant in the world's top 100.
If what you said was true then there should have at least been 1. Brazil had 3 I think !!

As to your laughable rant about the quality of food in the UK, it just shows your supreme ignorance on the matter, unless, of course, you have a degree in veterinary science or food hygiene - which I doubt.

It is pretty obvious that you know very little about food in the UK . If you want crap food, you can certainly get it - mostly imported at a low price. Locally produced food, beef, lamb pork and venison is exported at a premium price because of its quality and is available here - at a price..
You say British food is crap and inedible, I have heard the same about food in Argentina. Generalities are not necessarily true.
Anyway, no one could take any of your posts as unbiased or having anything other than a small basis of fact extrapolated to a ridiculous extent.
105 Hepatia (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse The rich are always well served by the very best restaurants in a country. Of much more interest is the quality of the average restaurant.

I have been to both the UK and Argentina many times. IMO the quality of food in the average Argentinian restaurant is far higher than the quality of food in the average UK restaurant. I do not have a degree in Veterinary Science or related field. My judgement on the quality of the food in both countries is based simply upon eating it.
106 Clyde15 (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
So, what is the food like where you live?
107 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 06:00 pm Report abuse
I do not have a degree in Veterinary Science

we just want fish & chips, not to complicated is it .lol.
108 DanyBerger (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 06:18 pm Report abuse

Don’t be stupid please everyone in the world knows what kind of crap is the food in Britain.

Now the news about the horse stuff and the contaminated food is being displayed all over the world.


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109 briton (#) Feb 11th, 2013 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
pie & mash & jelled eels,

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