Falkland Islands’ referendum described by Cristina Fernandez as a “squatters condominium meeting”
Argentine President Cristina Fernández rejected the referendum held at the Falklands/Malvinas Islands, and assured it “was a parody” likening to a “squatters’ condominium meeting” who illegally live in an occupied territory.
The president made her remarks on Tuesday during the presentation of a “Science, Technology and Innovation National Plan: Innovating Argentina 2020” at the Government House, Casa Rosada.
On Sunday and Monday Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly voted to remain a British Overseas Territory (99.8%), out of a record 92% turnout.
On comparing the referendum to a ‘squatters’ meeting’ she added it all looked like they were “deciding if they were going to occupy the building or not.”
President Cristina Fernandez also underlined the position of the US government regarding the conflict. “We recognize a sovereignty conflict,” Obama's administration stated and encouraged the dialogue between Argentina and the UK.
From London, Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro dismissed the Falklands referendum held by Islanders saying it is “a ploy that has no legal value”. Furthermore, the diplomat insisted that the referendum is a media tactic that shows how weak the United Kingdom’s position on the matter is”
“It’s a referendum organized by the British and for the British with the only purpose of having them saying that the territory must be British. It was neither organized nor approved by the United Nations”, Castro told FM Millenium.
Likewise, the Ambassador considered that the outcome “only represents the opinion of some 1,600 British citizens against the millions and millions of people that recognize Argentina’s sovereignty over the Malvinas”.
“We totally understand the Islanders trying to ratify their identity: They are British and so the British law recognizes them. Argentina is not trying to change their identity or their life style, but the territory they live on is not theirs. And there is one right they do not have, and it is the right to decide over the destiny of Argentina’s territory or resolve a sovereignty issue” added Ambassador Castro.
The Argentine diplomat explained that self-determination is a fundamental principle contemplated by international law that but is not granted to any settlers of a certain territory, but only to the original natives that were or currently are being subjugated to a certain colonial power, “and this is not the case of the Malvinas Islanders.”
“The Islanders are not a colonized people, but inhabitants of a colonized territory. Plus, Islanders are not part of the sovereignty dispute since the sovereignty claims are over the territory and not them” concluded Castro.
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Still trotting out the same old tired lines that have not gained Argentina even the minutest increase in sovereignty.
The Falkland Islanders don't need anything to change to live their lives. It is Argentina that needs something to change and seemingly can't bring it about.
( Yawn ).......... must be a slow news day today......... what else is new?
Hey! did anyone see the Rugby at the weekend?
What do you think?
England in with a shout at the Grand slam this year or what?
Come on Argies, serve the eviction notice, grow a pair for once!
self determination rules Argentina does not, and never will
But then again she will be absolutely thrilled. In her view this keeps the self-inflicted wound on the national psyche well and truly open, ensuring the daily rubbing of salt (as drivers go down Malvinas Argentinas Avenue #67) keeps the locals distracted from the widespread incompetence and the trolls in food parcels. It of course also allows the knife to be twisted in times when bigger distractions are required.
The madness of CFK lies in the fact that , if the fictional actions she requires took place, she'd have to repatriate the present Falklands population to Britain, and then occupy the islands with what she'd call a victorious Argentinian community of her choice. That is Colonisation.
Agreed, - Colonisation is exactly what it would be.
Seems that the Supreme Court of Alicia Castro has come up with another innovative legal doctrine that nobody else ever heard of.
Enter the mighty CFK
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Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly voted to remain a British Overseas Territory (99.8%), out of a record 92% turnout.
[And her reply to democracy ]
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comparing the referendum to a ‘squatters’ meeting’
they are implanted
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And the world laugh again and again and again.
Perhaps she should have become a comedian..
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She is a comedian.
Or comedienne, if you prefer.
With any luck the MBOA will take the next logical step toward pariah status and expel our diplomats from Argentina. The UK could then eject Alicia and her cabin crew for just cause.
23= agreed
Not that I'm really that bothered about the islands but I think that she has missed the point here. They aren't deciding whether to occupy the building or not. The are voting about whether to stay in the same building in which they have lived and made thier home for over 180 years. there is a considerable difference.
People that side with her either received some of the money she stole from the people that hate her, or are just plain stupid.
Isn't 'condiminium' a little 'old hat' nowadays?
You have to laugh. It's all they can do but to stamp their feet and get their knickers in a twist as they know full well that the legal sovereignty of the Falklands is british.
ICJ anyone?
They have voted to continue sending their kids to Uni in the uk,from which census figures show many do not return. Hence the ageing stagnant population figures on the islands.
What they have voted to reject is direct flights from Buenos AIres.
Free public Uni in Argentina.
The Mercasur right to live and work in any country that boarders Argentia.
The have turned down the right to become an integral part of south America and enjoy this incredible continent to its full.
Instead preffering to continue playing genetic russian roulette with close family members. I feel very sorry for them indeed.
It's my understanding that, as time goes by, she is more, and more, offensive in her speeches.
Did you read her sayings about the people who suffers diabetes?
Please, accept my appologises on behalf of thousands of Argentines who are ashamed of her offensive comments.
Sky News Intervies 12/3/13.
I wonder if she will be brought up on human rights violations or mass murder when she is out of office? Denying cancer medicine and letter her citizens die should certainly get her some jail time.
FYI the Peso is $8.40/U$1 yesterday on the leak rate. Rut ro
“Diabetes is a disease in people with high purchasing power”
On the other hand, Argentina WAS colonised by the Spanish, inflicting untold misery and death upon countless Native Americans.
The Falkland will remain British, end of story. In Argentinas dire economy (even worse than here in Britain), nothing smells more of DESPERATION that by beating the nationalistic drum. Hideous woman.
Makes total sense based her loopy speeches.
Let them use tea instead of let them eat cake may go down as a little worse than Marie Antoinette and possibly with nearly the same consequences.
Falkland Islanders are wealthy enough to pay for world class university education for their young people.
And they don't need direct flights to Argentina. Why would they want to visit such a hostile place on a regular basis? They have international flights for when they need them. The truth is Argentina has nothing to offer them that they cannot get elsewhere.
The rest of your post is just rather silly.
video.state.gov/en/video/2221454686001
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100206526/the-obama-administrations-response-to-the-falklands-referendum-is-insulting-wrong-and-mean-spirited/
I cannot believe how Argentine s can be led by her.... She has topped her bank account while her and the the Emperor Penguin (RIP you thief) have been in office 900% probably more now. Also on the top leaders corrupt list, wake up Argentina people, grease them wheels in that dead brain.
Accept the inevitable:- The Falklands because it ain't going to change, and work along side the Falkland Islanders to better your failing economy and get rid of the Botox queen.
Please clarify because I don't see that it is any of our business.
Um let's see, side with a corrupt dictator who rails against the USA every time she gets a chance, disobey or ignores our and Int'l laws, treaties and agreements OR side with our strongest ally?
Hmm wonder which we would choose if we are forced into it?
Intelligent Argentineans are aware. Perhaps independence for BA is the answer?
Meanwhile, Falklanders enjoy prosperity, freedom and a bright future. Good luck to them. Britain is by your side.
As for Obama...hopefully the US electorate will see sense and get rid of him, the useless twat.
Today´s news in BsAs:-
19 year old rugbier chased down & murdered by delinquents after stopping for gas at a service station
17 year old girl murdered in Junin whilst working at a kiosk provoking riots & torching of the police station
Another younster killed whilst leaving a ´Boliche´in the early hours of the morning ....... almost a weekly occurrence
Government has to introduce National Guard to protect train stations because they have become too unsafe to travel (& because the Provincial & Federal police are too corrupt to do their jobs)
Teacher´s strikes, protests closing General Paz highway & 9 de Julio Ave., & the usual noise, pollution, crime & corruption
Meanwhile a peaceful island population have voted overwhelmingly to remain British & not Argentinian ........ hmmmmmm......... I wonder why???
Oh & I forgot to mention football hooliganism which is totally out of control & sponsored by ´futbol para todos´ which is a complete propaganda machine for CFK
www.lanacion.com.ar/1562689-la-union-europea-evita-pronunciarse-sobre-la-votacion-en-malvinas
I trust you need not know what Latin America and Africa think, right?
That's all it takes to make a territory yours, the ability to protect it, if you can't some worthless bugger is boundto swipe it from you.
If I were you JB, I would be much more worried that Chile is going to take back the Beagle Channel, TDF and Mendoza. There is absolutely nothing an impotent Argentine could do about it.
Why, British way very good, better than US, better than stinking dump Arg, Villa lugano and like. No criminal, no Mafia. No CFK cow continue hot fart always
And now to the article. “On comparing the referendum to a ‘squatters’ meeting’ she added it all looked like they were “deciding if they were going to occupy the building or not.” Aren't you a squatter. Aren't you ”proud“ that your family has been in argieland for 3 generations? And your reaction to people that have lived in the Islands for 8 or 9 generations is to call them ”squatters“? Now I know why you and your Jewish yes-man won't meet the Islanders. You wouldn't be able to look them in the eye.
And then there's Alicia dumbass. Take her at her word. Isn't argieland a colonised territory? How many ”argies“ are ”original natives“? Less than 3%. Aren't 97% of argies ”subjugators” who happen to have moved in?
Thank you, Alicia. You have just conclusively shown that argies are less entitled to self-determination than the Islanders!
You seem to forget that just one of the Royal Navy's latest destroyers is capable of taking out the whole of Argentina's antiquated Navy and Air Force in less than 15 minutes .. and do so whilst still well out of range any of Argentina's defences. You also seem to overlook the fact that whilst there is talk about leaving the EU - which incidentally will never happen, because the vote will never happen - the UK and France (whose support for the British position is explicit and unequivocal) are effectively creating a single unified military force that will account for almost half of the total military expenditure in Europe .. not to mention the fact that large sections of the armed forces of countries like Holland, Denmark, Belgium and Norway effectively operate under British command. Britain is far from being as isolated as that propaganda you love to hear from the saggy old whore from La Plata.
It would also behove you to note that the EU constitution already regards the Falklands as British (a constitution which even Spain has signed) and that most EU member states are on public record as supporting that status quo, so there is no need for the EC to take a position, because its position is already crystal clear. As for Africa, perhaps it has escaped that tiny brain of yours that a hefty chunk of Africa has already expressed its support through the Commonwealth.
On the other hand, few of the countries that Argentina claims support them have actually expressed any support for Argentina's sovereignty claim. They have for the most part only expressed support for negotiations .. negotiations which Argentina refuses to be a part of. Even dear old Russia, who Britain has a far from good relationship with, has explicitly stated that it supports self-determination for the Falklands.
Perhaps you also forget that whilst Brazil and Chile pay public lip-service to Argentina, both have quietly extended and deepened their pre-existing defence agreements with the UK.
If she was that desperate for the islands then the RG's would have met with the UK and FIG in London. the fact that they didnt meet tells you that the reality is - they couldnt give a toss about the islands.
she knows she will never get them.
The more they shout the more people analyse this issue and the more people see it for nothing more than a complete piss take.
Are you for real?
Either way, very entertaining!
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/majority-of-british-children-will-soon-be-growing-up-in-families-struggling-below-the-breadline-government-warned-8531584.html
Doubt you have travelled outside the BA projects jajajajaja
Even the most destitute in The UK is lives better than most RG middle class.
It's a free country, bet you kept your passport though.
We have crossed swords in the past, how are the mental wounds, healed yet?
I bet you were a little scally weren't you? You know the scouser nickname for a wanabe gangster but stopped at robbing old ladies because he hadn't got the bollocks.
That's why you went to The Dark Country; nobody else would have you when you had to do the Police referral.
Now all you do is spout shit like the rest of the argies. I bet you feel at home, don't you? Try writing in grammatical English next time.
We will respect the islanders, there way of life traditions and culture,
Then slag en off, and call them names implanters, pirate’s thieves and have no rights,
If this is not a hypercritical then tell me what is.
Would you hand a free society over to a tyrannical tyrant.
mmmmm
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Born of Italian parents
In planted into The vatican
In the aftermath of the referendum, and replies and full support from our reliable and dependable and trustworthy friends in the EU and the American government,
After reading [thinks links]
One has to honestly wonder if we are either living in the 19th century, or the run up to two world wars, where the sneaky and untrustworthy aggressor, seems to think that with the right amount of pressure and distractions, they can turn to violence and bring the world to conflict.
The American government, to their total embarrassment, on pandering to the argentines,
Will backfire, I watched the clip, and they refused point blank to recognise the referendum,
And they are not the only ones; the European response is the same,
I have not yet seen any country say they support it,
Rather than pressuring the British, or dissuading them, all it will do, is make us more and more reliant on ourselves to deal with and defend these islands,
All I will say is this,
If this turns to violence, and others are dragged in, and blood is spilled, because of one woman’s greed and obsession,
Then you would have, and will deserve everything you get,
For rather advancing Argentina, it could well put it back decades.
And destroy it as a unified nation for ever.
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Bullshit it may be,
Bullshit it may smell
But make no mistake CFK will tread in it..
just a thought
He's a Jesuit - remember Python “its the Spanish inquisition!”
Usurper! Your coup has failed and the members of your junta are being arrested. Another failed Argentine junta.
Long live the rightful heir to the Troll Crown. Nostrolldamus the 13th.
hope this new pope weeds out and stops protecting these pedophile priests..I hate to bring that up but the church has been protecting these pieces of shit for too long!!!
If he is anything like The Argentine governmant then we will be sorely dissapointed,although Argentine his parents are Italian
European Immigrants.
they have just elected an ARGENTINE bloody pope
And declare an argentine victory and divine rights over the islands,
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www.buenosairesherald.com/
CFK has not yet replied,
she is putting the final touches on to her mak up.
He will be like all the others: spouting lies to the deluded 'faithful' in the hope of fooling them long enough until they die. And then, they will find out 'it's the final disappointment'.
LOLs
But our church welcomes squatters, to repent. I will troll for you my child.
Even if we accept the RG view ( which we don't ) then the same would apply to the Falkland squatters. 180 years of adverse possesion.......
Hmmm an implanted RG in the Vatican..... corruption to the nth degree.....
Her current discourse and language is making her a laughing stock around the world. A leader that talks like the gutter press with words like squatters has really lost it internationally and really shows how they would respect the islanders “wishes”. Now she is even using the appointment of the new pope to take a dig at the world powers. Just hope the USA wakes up to this would be despot
That will be a fun day....
A very interesting point.
Illegal referendum? what illegal referendum???? www.buenosairesherald.com
That statement is so stupid, I don't know where to start. Even if the Argentines today all have roots in different European nations, the Argentine culture is nothing like any other nation. It has bits and pieces from many, and other parts derived from geographical and thermal conditions.
Setting all this aside might serve many ignorants around the web, but that inicial statement is STILL hilarious. For who are Argentines if not the Argentines?
What was omitted in this article, is that when c. f. k. compared the referendum, with a condominium meeting, was because she had read previouslly a small headline, published in a newspaper called, ámbito financiero, which considered the referendum like a codominium meeting, the headline said: ends the kelper condominuim meeting.
On the other hand, i have never agreeded on that stupid argument, which considers the population from the islands, like an implanted population, because while it is true that the actual population from the islands, is the result of the british usurpation in 1833, it's also true that after the genocide committed against the originary populations, by conservative killer julio roca, when he decided to occupy the patagonia, many inmigrants started to populate that vast territory, so, if the islanders are an implanted population, they aren't less implanted than many inhabitants from the mainland.
However, despite that genocide, our constitution includes the claims and the rights of the originary populations, which is a true historic reparation. That's' something that the u. k. has never made for arg., for having deprived it of exercising it's right over the archipelago, because unfortunatelly, such an admirable nation like the u. k., in some aspects still behaviours like the same thief of XIX century.
On the other hand, it's not true that the territory don't belong to the islanders. It belongs to them, in the same way that all the rest of argentina belongs to them also, beside, the islands belong to we all too.
If the right to self determination is not applicable for the population from the islands, is because arg. was deprived of exercising it's rights over the territory by the u. k. in 1833, beside since 1982, that country rejects sistematicly to resume the negotiations, and find a peaceful solution, as the u. n. call both countries. There is a lot more to say about all this question.
The first miracle of the papacy?
I'm summing up, they all agree that Argentina, Canada, the USA, Australia and the Falkland Islands are made up of immigrants from many different countries and each of their cultures are now different to their original country's as they have “bits and pieces from many, and other parts derived from geographical and thermal conditions”.
Really need to hyperlink this thread for future reference.
to see the light,
oh wel, they are argentine,lol
I don't need to see any light, in order to have intellectual honesty, which is something that many of you don't have.
I have always thought and said exacty the same about the arguments that i expressed in my comment. Anyway, if you consider it like a miracle, i would like to know when will we see the miracle of watching the u. k. respecting the u. n.'s resolutions that call both nations to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution for this conflict, instead of using the hypocrite argument of self determination, which has never been applied for this cause, like it was invoked for other colonial situations by the u. n.
I would like to see the miracle also of reading the comments of many of you, recognizing that the case has strong and weak aspects for both countries, instead of reading you usuall mediocre comments, where you buy the british propaganda so easily, without any critic, if i see these two actions, then i will have to start to think about papacy miracles defenetly.
yet sits on the side of wrong, and thus gives and opinion but not fact,
to Argentinas claim,
take it to the ICJ ,
you wont,
why not,
please explain why not..
Interesting that you bring up intellectual honesty. I write about many things and you repeat the same thing. It is you that is inflexible; so here are my beliefs. Nice, tidy, transparent and easy to read:
I support:
The right to self determination
Argentina's LEGITIMATE rights
What I believe:
The UK claimed sovereignty first; before Spain
Argentina claimed sovereignty after the UK
Vernet had UK permission and support to colonise the Islands
The UN currently recognises UK sovereignty
The UN recognises a sovereignty dispute
The UN requests both Argentina and the UK to settle the issue
The UN has never revoked self determination
The legal doctrine of territorial integrity is not retrospective
Argentina is only one of the SUCCESSOR states to VRP
Argentina is not the CONTINUING state of the VRP
A successor state does not inherit sovereignty claims
A continuing state does inherit sovereignty claims
Argentina created a claim in the 1940s to take advantage of a geopolitical shift
The UN recognises 4 options for the islands
a/ integration within the metropolitan area of the UK
b/ integration within Argentina
c/ independence
d/ free association
The UK recognises 3 options for the islands
a/ status quo
b/ integration within Argentina
c/ independence
Argentina recognises 1 option for the islands
a/ integration within Argentina
What I don't believe:
That the islanders are squatters
Vernet had the right to be a UPRP governor
Argentina had the right to garrison troops on the islands in 1832
That the UK evicted an Argentine settlement or settlers
That the territorial integrity of Argentina is compromised
The UK is in breach of any UN resolutions
That only people who fight for independence can be South American
That republicanism is the only permitted government type in South America
How is that for intellectual honesty?
Your turn!
I have always thought that perhaps the u. k. had right to occupy the islands, in virue of it's occupation for 8 years in port egmont (1766-1774). However, according to the international right, the discovery just gives a precarious title, which muts be improved with a permanent occupation, that's yhy i think that maybe the u. k. had rights over the islands in 1833.
On the other hand, the rights of our cuntry were based on the succession of states, which is applied to all the emancipated colonial territories. While it is true that spain had never ceded anything to our country, when it declared it's independence in 1816, it is also true that the u. p. didn't need spains' licence in order to declare it's independence, and it had right to occupy the territories which had been submitted to the jurisdiction of the viceroalty, like the islands.
For all these reasons, i have always thought that if the u. k. had rights over the islands, it should have negotiated a solution with the u. p., or maybe share the sovereignty, instead of depriving our country of exercising it's rights.
On the other hand, i have never omitted the periods of silence of our country, in relation to it's claim. Beside, the signed agreement in 1850 didn't have anything to do with this cause.
However, it would be honest to take the into account the huge economic dependence that arg. had with the u. k., since XIX and for more than 100 years, so, it was obvious that it wasn't in conditions for claiming.
On the other hand, between 1884-1884, arg. suggested taking the case to the arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k., beisde in 1947, the u. k. proposed to take just the dependencies to the i. c. j.
Beyond all these facts, in 1968, 1974 and in 1980, the u. k negotiated with arg. about this cause.
All these facts show that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations. This is what i call intellectual honesty.
There is a lot more to say about this cause.
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