Wednesday, March 13th 2013 - 04:02 UTC

Falkland Islands’ referendum described by Cristina Fernandez as a “squatters condominium meeting”

Argentine President Cristina Fernández rejected the referendum held at the Falklands/Malvinas Islands, and assured it “was a parody” likening to a “squatters’ condominium meeting” who illegally live in an occupied territory.

“They were deciding if they were going to occupy the building or not” said ironically the Argentine president

The president made her remarks on Tuesday during the presentation of a “Science, Technology and Innovation National Plan: Innovating Argentina 2020” at the Government House, Casa Rosada.

On Sunday and Monday Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly voted to remain a British Overseas Territory (99.8%), out of a record 92% turnout.

On comparing the referendum to a ‘squatters’ meeting’ she added it all looked like they were “deciding if they were going to occupy the building or not.”

President Cristina Fernandez also underlined the position of the US government regarding the conflict. “We recognize a sovereignty conflict,” Obama's administration stated and encouraged the dialogue between Argentina and the UK.

From London, Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro dismissed the Falklands referendum held by Islanders saying it is “a ploy that has no legal value”. Furthermore, the diplomat insisted that the referendum is a media tactic that shows how weak the United Kingdom’s position on the matter is”

“It’s a referendum organized by the British and for the British with the only purpose of having them saying that the territory must be British. It was neither organized nor approved by the United Nations”, Castro told FM Millenium.

Likewise, the Ambassador considered that the outcome “only represents the opinion of some 1,600 British citizens against the millions and millions of people that recognize Argentina’s sovereignty over the Malvinas”.

“We totally understand the Islanders trying to ratify their identity: They are British and so the British law recognizes them. Argentina is not trying to change their identity or their life style, but the territory they live on is not theirs. And there is one right they do not have, and it is the right to decide over the destiny of Argentina’s territory or resolve a sovereignty issue” added Ambassador Castro.

The Argentine diplomat explained that self-determination is a fundamental principle contemplated by international law that but is not granted to any settlers of a certain territory, but only to the original natives that were or currently are being subjugated to a certain colonial power, “and this is not the case of the Malvinas Islanders.”

“The Islanders are not a colonized people, but inhabitants of a colonized territory. Plus, Islanders are not part of the sovereignty dispute since the sovereignty claims are over the territory and not them” concluded Castro.
 

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1 Anglotino (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 04:28 am Report abuse
Those of us hoping for a new argument from Argentina are still waiting.

Still trotting out the same old tired lines that have not gained Argentina even the minutest increase in sovereignty.

The Falkland Islanders don't need anything to change to live their lives. It is Argentina that needs something to change and seemingly can't bring it about.
2 Ayayay (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 04:36 am Report abuse
So like this? www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/world/americas/01venezuela.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
3 KFC de Pollo (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 04:38 am Report abuse
The number of morons all over the world in Argentine embassys. its going to take a long time for them to return to being a serious country!
4 Boovis (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 04:58 am Report abuse
Squatters move in to places that have been abandoned or who have no clear owner, so she's admitting there was no-one there when the islanders arrived? Oh good.
5 BOTINHO (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:02 am Report abuse
And what will you say Cristina, when the truth commission comes looking for you ? Don't worry, it's comming for all of your staff.
6 Dr. Jeorbbels (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:00 am Report abuse
These two women do talk some nonsense, well so long as they keep it in the family they can live their delusions together. It was good to see representatives from Lat Am in the Falklands for the referendum, unthinkable 12 months ago, now a sure sign that people are weary of the rantings of CFK. As her position weakens in Argentina so it will weaken in the rest of Lat Am. Bye bye CFK your days are numbered.
7 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:17 am Report abuse
“Argentine President Cristina Fernández rejected the referendum”

( Yawn ).......... must be a slow news day today......... what else is new?

Hey! did anyone see the Rugby at the weekend?

What do you think?

England in with a shout at the Grand slam this year or what?
8 RobHants (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:43 am Report abuse
This is a quite ridiculous argument put forward by the Argentinians, who themselves as a former Spanish colony that declared independence in a territory that certainly wasn't their own. There were no indigenous people in the Falklands. I am not sure either that we should enter into any dialogue with a country that illegally invaded this territory, leading to the deaths of over 250 British people.
9 ElaineB (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:53 am Report abuse
Her arrogance is unseemly.
10 Beef (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:03 am Report abuse
How can a bunch of squatters hold a meeting to determine which building they are going to occupy when they have already lived in that building for 180 yrs?

Come on Argies, serve the eviction notice, grow a pair for once!
11 Ayayay (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:07 am Report abuse
@9 true, once again.
12 AzaUK (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:24 am Report abuse
words of a desperate lady whos days are numbered

self determination rules Argentina does not, and never will
13 Doveoverdover (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:40 am Report abuse
I prefer to view the Islands as a gated community with a resident armed security force rather than a condominium but that's just a personal preference.
14 Orbit (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:48 am Report abuse
@9 - indeed, most un-statesperson like, playing to the cheap seats.

But then again she will be absolutely thrilled. In her view this keeps the self-inflicted wound on the national psyche well and truly open, ensuring the daily rubbing of salt (as drivers go down Malvinas Argentinas Avenue #67) keeps the locals distracted from the widespread incompetence and the trolls in food parcels. It of course also allows the knife to be twisted in times when bigger distractions are required.
15 Room101 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:56 am Report abuse
No matter how much reason you put to CFK and her government, you are wasting your time. They've committed themse;ves long ago to keeping the Falklands issue in the forefront, and the situation will not abate until the present Argentinian government falls and hopefully then a more democratic responsible one takes its place.
The madness of CFK lies in the fact that , if the fictional actions she requires took place, she'd have to repatriate the present Falklands population to Britain, and then occupy the islands with what she'd call a victorious Argentinian community of her choice. That is Colonisation.
16 Escoses Doido (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:06 am Report abuse
@15;
Agreed, - Colonisation is exactly what it would be.
17 J.A. Roberts (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:16 am Report abuse
CFK just described a meeting of the Argentine Congress. I've gone through the list, and I can't find a single member who has a native South American name or surname. They are all Spanish, Italian, German, etc...
18 HansNiesund (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:40 am Report abuse
”The Argentine diplomat explained that self-determination is a fundamental principle contemplated by international law that but is not granted to any settlers of a certain territory, but only to the original natives that were or currently are being subjugated to a certain colonial power, “and this is not the case of the Malvinas Islanders.”

Seems that the Supreme Court of Alicia Castro has come up with another innovative legal doctrine that nobody else ever heard of.
19 Gordo1 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:20 am Report abuse
Alicia Castro is a “parody”! Britain should request her recall as her presence in the UK is counter productive as she does nothing but make provocative statements for no purpose at all.
20 briton (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:41 am Report abuse
The leader of a suppose modern county
Enter the mighty CFK

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Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly voted to remain a British Overseas Territory (99.8%), out of a record 92% turnout.
[And her reply to democracy ]
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comparing the referendum to a ‘squatters’ meeting’
they are implanted
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And the world laugh again and again and again.

Perhaps she should have become a comedian..

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21 El Gringo (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:46 am Report abuse
Yawn; the usual irredentist rant from Argentina! Hey Cristina, the right of political self-determination always trumps delusional irredentism! While you're at it, Cristina, why not support a return of Alsace-Lorraine and lands east of the Oder-Neisse line to Germany. One crazy irredentist act deserves another!
22 Bongo (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:47 am Report abuse
@20

She is a comedian.

Or comedienne, if you prefer.
23 expbrit (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:58 am Report abuse
@ 19 Gordo1

With any luck the MBOA will take the next logical step toward pariah status and expel our diplomats from Argentina. The UK could then eject Alicia and her cabin crew for just cause.
24 briton (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:04 am Report abuse
22=agreed
23= agreed
25 Viscount Falkland (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:17 am Report abuse
Maybe she could steal some more funds from the people of Argentina to buy this particuly attractive Condo..... to add to her property portfolio that has been bought with the money of the 'descamisados'. I wonder if Jorge Lanata has the balls to investigate and publish her accts for her property business ?
26 Welsh Wizard (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
“On comparing the referendum to a ‘squatters’ meeting’ she added it all looked like they were “deciding if they were going to occupy the building or not.””

Not that I'm really that bothered about the islands but I think that she has missed the point here. They aren't deciding whether to occupy the building or not. The are voting about whether to stay in the same building in which they have lived and made thier home for over 180 years. there is a considerable difference.
27 Steve-33-uk (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
Totally disgusting words from CFK comparing the Falkland Islands to squatters. She has sank to a new low.
28 Optimus_Princeps (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:25 am Report abuse
What kind of loser needs to pay degenerates to agree with her?

People that side with her either received some of the money she stole from the people that hate her, or are just plain stupid.
29 ChrisR (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:41 am Report abuse
There, there dear; it's only the Falklands acting democratically, just like you NEVER do.

Isn't 'condiminium' a little 'old hat' nowadays?
30 Raven (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:41 am Report abuse
All this fuss over a vote that they didn't recognise.

You have to laugh. It's all they can do but to stamp their feet and get their knickers in a twist as they know full well that the legal sovereignty of the Falklands is british.

ICJ anyone?
31 windy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:48 am Report abuse
So the islanders have voted to continue marrying their cousins.
They have voted to continue sending their kids to Uni in the uk,from which census figures show many do not return. Hence the ageing stagnant population figures on the islands.
What they have voted to reject is direct flights from Buenos AIres.
Free public Uni in Argentina.
The Mercasur right to live and work in any country that boarders Argentia.
The have turned down the right to become an integral part of south America and enjoy this incredible continent to its full.
Instead preffering to continue playing genetic russian roulette with close family members. I feel very sorry for them indeed.
32 pgerman (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:50 am Report abuse
squatters condominium meeting? If the FI people were squatters she would awarded them with subsidies to get their votes.

It's my understanding that, as time goes by, she is more, and more, offensive in her speeches.

Did you read her sayings about the people who suffers diabetes?

Please, accept my appologises on behalf of thousands of Argentines who are ashamed of her offensive comments.
33 reality check (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:50 am Report abuse
Says a lot about you, when they prefer what they have to what youhave to offer doesn't it?
34 Usurping Pirate (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:57 am Report abuse
The real irony is that the audience of her speech are mostly okupas themselves . Absolutely priceless .
35 Ted (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
Castro says ” that self-determination is a fundamental principle contemplated by international law that but is not granted to any settlers of a certain territory, but only to the original natives that were or currently are being subjugated to a certain colonial power, “and this is not the case of the Malvinas Islanders.” and the Amerindians of Argentina and South America smile sadly !
36 reality check (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
And Kay Burley, ever the professional keeps a straight face!

Sky News Intervies 12/3/13.
37 Orbit (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
Money can't buy you class. Particularly stolen money.
38 yankeeboy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
It seems odd to me that an attorney (CFK) would use legal descriptors (terms) incorrectly. One would think she never graduated from law school.

I wonder if she will be brought up on human rights violations or mass murder when she is out of office? Denying cancer medicine and letter her citizens die should certainly get her some jail time.

FYI the Peso is $8.40/U$1 yesterday on the leak rate. Rut ro
39 agent999 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
CFK has really lost the plot

“Diabetes is a disease in people with high purchasing power”
40 Bouphos (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
Such hypocrisy. The Falklands were uninhabited so they were NOT colonised and first SETTLED by the British before Argentina even EXISTED.

On the other hand, Argentina WAS colonised by the Spanish, inflicting untold misery and death upon countless Native Americans.

The Falkland will remain British, end of story. In Argentinas dire economy (even worse than here in Britain), nothing smells more of DESPERATION that by beating the nationalistic drum. Hideous woman.
41 yankeeboy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
Rumor has it that Boudou doubled her lithium around the time she came to the USA to speak.
Makes total sense based her loopy speeches.

Let them use tea instead of let them eat cake may go down as a little worse than Marie Antoinette and possibly with nearly the same consequences.
42 ElaineB (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
@31 I think you have lived a very sheltered life if you think public universities in Argentina provide a decent education. They are terrible. Why would anyone choose to use them unless they were destitute? Or avoiding work, as most students in Argentina seem to be doing. The land of the eternal students.

Falkland Islanders are wealthy enough to pay for world class university education for their young people.

And they don't need direct flights to Argentina. Why would they want to visit such a hostile place on a regular basis? They have international flights for when they need them. The truth is Argentina has nothing to offer them that they cannot get elsewhere.

The rest of your post is just rather silly.
43 JB (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
it seems we are not the only one who think the referendum was a waste of time....

video.state.gov/en/video/2221454686001

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100206526/the-obama-administrations-response-to-the-falklands-referendum-is-insulting-wrong-and-mean-spirited/
44 Bob.in.the.North (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
The reality the Falklands is the Falkland Islanders not Argentina and who in the right mind would want the corrupt Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
I cannot believe how Argentine s can be led by her.... She has topped her bank account while her and the the Emperor Penguin (RIP you thief) have been in office 900% probably more now. Also on the top leaders corrupt list, wake up Argentina people, grease them wheels in that dead brain.
Accept the inevitable:- The Falklands because it ain't going to change, and work along side the Falkland Islanders to better your failing economy and get rid of the Botox queen.
45 yankeeboy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
JB, Why would the UK need support from the USA over this issue?
Please clarify because I don't see that it is any of our business.
46 reality check (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
That's an easy one, they can not cope with the thought that a country the size of the UK can put them and keep them in their place. Introducing a super power like the US into arguement, makes them look less pathetic.
47 yankeeboy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
46. I don't think they would be too happy with the outcome if they did force us to get involved in this back and forth.
Um let's see, side with a corrupt dictator who rails against the USA every time she gets a chance, disobey or ignores our and Int'l laws, treaties and agreements OR side with our strongest ally?
Hmm wonder which we would choose if we are forced into it?
48 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
Argentina lost (yet again) . Sour grapes from the loser as a distraction from Argentinas many serious problems.

Intelligent Argentineans are aware. Perhaps independence for BA is the answer?

Meanwhile, Falklanders enjoy prosperity, freedom and a bright future. Good luck to them. Britain is by your side.
49 Foxtrot Indigo (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
I am seriously getting fed up with the racist insulting comments that CFK and her cronies are getting away with. God help you if you called a group of black people in the UK 'squatters'. Or any other race for that matter. And it's about damn time some of these so-called democratic countries rallied behind our cause. I know politics is a difficult game to play and throwing your lot in with a tiny windswept country may not seem like a good idea, but for heaven's sake this is getting stupid. You can't pick and choose who has rights and who doesn't. Either everyone has them or no one does.
As for Obama...hopefully the US electorate will see sense and get rid of him, the useless twat.
50 manchesterlad (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
@31 Windbag

Today´s news in BsAs:-

19 year old rugbier chased down & murdered by delinquents after stopping for gas at a service station

17 year old girl murdered in Junin whilst working at a kiosk provoking riots & torching of the police station

Another younster killed whilst leaving a ´Boliche´in the early hours of the morning ....... almost a weekly occurrence

Government has to introduce National Guard to protect train stations because they have become too unsafe to travel (& because the Provincial & Federal police are too corrupt to do their jobs)

Teacher´s strikes, protests closing General Paz highway & 9 de Julio Ave., & the usual noise, pollution, crime & corruption

Meanwhile a peaceful island population have voted overwhelmingly to remain British & not Argentinian ........ hmmmmmm......... I wonder why???

Oh & I forgot to mention football hooliganism which is totally out of control & sponsored by ´futbol para todos´ which is a complete propaganda machine for CFK
51 JB (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
@45,46,47---100,000....ok, how about Europe then?? Now I understand why Britain wants to leave the EU...

www.lanacion.com.ar/1562689-la-union-europea-evita-pronunciarse-sobre-la-votacion-en-malvinas

I trust you need not know what Latin America and Africa think, right?
52 yankeeboy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
51. Er No, the UK doesn't need anyone else's affirmation or military help on the matter. They can and do protect their territory without any help from anyone else.

That's all it takes to make a territory yours, the ability to protect it, if you can't some worthless bugger is boundto swipe it from you.

If I were you JB, I would be much more worried that Chile is going to take back the Beagle Channel, TDF and Mendoza. There is absolutely nothing an impotent Argentine could do about it.
53 Vuggevise (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:15 pm Report abuse
EDF, the French state power company, announces that it is sinking a US$160 million investment into Falkland Oil and Gas. There is France's great big foxtrot oscar to you, Christina … and to rub salt into the wounds, an opinion poll, inspired by the Falklands vote, being run by Honk Kong's heavily pro-Beijing South China Morning Post is running more than 90% in favour of Hong Kong returning to its former British colonial status. I guess the islanders aren't alone in seeing the benefits of being a part of the British family, whilst your own people can't wait to be rid of you and your burgeoning Swiss bank accounts :p
54 Faz (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
Huh! British Empire still exist in Commonwealth. Where Spains where Italys where Germans ? Some join British volunteer like Mozbique, Rwanda and HK want to

Why, British way very good, better than US, better than stinking dump Arg, Villa lugano and like. No criminal, no Mafia. No CFK cow continue hot fart always
55 Conqueror (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
@31 Before I turn to the article, let me ask you some questions. Do you live in argieland? Are you an “original native” of argieland? What tribe are you from? Is your country being subjugated by a colonial power, e.g. Germany, Italy, Spain, even if the “subjugators” have been there for 200 years and call themselves argies? Or are you one of the “subjugators”? Are you one of a “colonised people”? Aren't you an inhabitant of a “colonised territory”? Or are you one of the “colonisers”? Do you have any honest answers?

And now to the article. “On comparing the referendum to a ‘squatters’ meeting’ she added it all looked like they were “deciding if they were going to occupy the building or not.” Aren't you a squatter. Aren't you ”proud“ that your family has been in argieland for 3 generations? And your reaction to people that have lived in the Islands for 8 or 9 generations is to call them ”squatters“? Now I know why you and your Jewish yes-man won't meet the Islanders. You wouldn't be able to look them in the eye.
And then there's Alicia dumbass. Take her at her word. Isn't argieland a colonised territory? How many ”argies“ are ”original natives“? Less than 3%. Aren't 97% of argies ”subjugators” who happen to have moved in?
Thank you, Alicia. You have just conclusively shown that argies are less entitled to self-determination than the Islanders!
56 Vuggevise (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
@51 JB

You seem to forget that just one of the Royal Navy's latest destroyers is capable of taking out the whole of Argentina's antiquated Navy and Air Force in less than 15 minutes .. and do so whilst still well out of range any of Argentina's defences. You also seem to overlook the fact that whilst there is talk about leaving the EU - which incidentally will never happen, because the vote will never happen - the UK and France (whose support for the British position is explicit and unequivocal) are effectively creating a single unified military force that will account for almost half of the total military expenditure in Europe .. not to mention the fact that large sections of the armed forces of countries like Holland, Denmark, Belgium and Norway effectively operate under British command. Britain is far from being as isolated as that propaganda you love to hear from the saggy old whore from La Plata.

It would also behove you to note that the EU constitution already regards the Falklands as British (a constitution which even Spain has signed) and that most EU member states are on public record as supporting that status quo, so there is no need for the EC to take a position, because its position is already crystal clear. As for Africa, perhaps it has escaped that tiny brain of yours that a hefty chunk of Africa has already expressed its support through the Commonwealth.

On the other hand, few of the countries that Argentina claims support them have actually expressed any support for Argentina's sovereignty claim. They have for the most part only expressed support for negotiations .. negotiations which Argentina refuses to be a part of. Even dear old Russia, who Britain has a far from good relationship with, has explicitly stated that it supports self-determination for the Falklands.

Perhaps you also forget that whilst Brazil and Chile pay public lip-service to Argentina, both have quietly extended and deepened their pre-existing defence agreements with the UK.
57 The Cestrian (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
I've come to the conclusion that she is just a fucking cheeky bastard who likes having the Gringos and Pirates as enemies. Plain as day that she does not want the islands. If they did get them who would they then blame for their incompetencies and corruptness? She has the IMF and us Colonialists which will play well with the rest of the continent's politicians who are also a throwback to the 19th century.

If she was that desperate for the islands then the RG's would have met with the UK and FIG in London. the fact that they didnt meet tells you that the reality is - they couldnt give a toss about the islands.

she knows she will never get them.

The more they shout the more people analyse this issue and the more people see it for nothing more than a complete piss take.
58 Ayayay (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
@17 Good point.
59 Shed-time (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
It's difficult to be a squatter when you only have sit-down toilets.
60 Steveu (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
@54 Faz

Are you for real?

Either way, very entertaining!
61 windy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
Britain today and why i left it and have no intention of returning.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/majority-of-british-children-will-soon-be-growing-up-in-families-struggling-below-the-breadline-government-warned-8531584.html
62 Santa Fe (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
61.... Yeah righto we believe you, your troll identity is disgruntled UK citizen, very good like it.

Doubt you have travelled outside the BA projects jajajajaja
63 yankeeboy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
61. Did your welfare get cut off when they found out you were illegal?

Even the most destitute in The UK is lives better than most RG middle class.
64 windy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 05:51 pm Report abuse
Sorry racists inbred biggots but i was born and raised in the uk.
65 yankeeboy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
And you chose to live in Argentina instead?
66 _INTROLLREGNVM_ (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
HABEMUS TROLL
67 reality check (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
64
It's a free country, bet you kept your passport though.
68 Shed-time (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
@64 why are you so sour and blaming other people for the fact you left? Did the falkland islanders cause you to leave the UK, and as a result you are thankful for the Argentine oppression that they live under?
69 ChrisR (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
64 windy aka windbag

We have crossed swords in the past, how are the mental wounds, healed yet?

I bet you were a little scally weren't you? You know the scouser nickname for a wanabe gangster but stopped at robbing old ladies because he hadn't got the bollocks.

That's why you went to The Dark Country; nobody else would have you when you had to do the Police referral.

Now all you do is spout shit like the rest of the argies. I bet you feel at home, don't you? Try writing in grammatical English next time.
70 briton (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
How do you stand up in front of the UN and the free world and state?
We will respect the islanders, there way of life traditions and culture,

Then slag en off, and call them names implanters, pirate’s thieves and have no rights,

If this is not a hypercritical then tell me what is.

Would you hand a free society over to a tyrannical tyrant.

mmmmm

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71 andy65 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
I think you will find Windy is inded XAVIERV
72 commonsparrow (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Argentina is still living in 1832. Just because an island is 350 miles away, it doesnt justify sovereignty.
73 andy65 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
We have an Argentine POPE
Born of Italian parents
In planted into The vatican
74 briton (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Today,
In the aftermath of the referendum, and replies and full support from our reliable and dependable and trustworthy friends in the EU and the American government,

After reading [thinks links]

One has to honestly wonder if we are either living in the 19th century, or the run up to two world wars, where the sneaky and untrustworthy aggressor, seems to think that with the right amount of pressure and distractions, they can turn to violence and bring the world to conflict.

The American government, to their total embarrassment, on pandering to the argentines,
Will backfire, I watched the clip, and they refused point blank to recognise the referendum,
And they are not the only ones; the European response is the same,
I have not yet seen any country say they support it,

Rather than pressuring the British, or dissuading them, all it will do, is make us more and more reliant on ourselves to deal with and defend these islands,

All I will say is this,
If this turns to violence, and others are dragged in, and blood is spilled, because of one woman’s greed and obsession,

Then you would have, and will deserve everything you get,
For rather advancing Argentina, it could well put it back decades.
And destroy it as a unified nation for ever.
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Bullshit it may be,
Bullshit it may smell
But make no mistake CFK will tread in it..

just a thought
75 John Troll the 3rd (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
It is time to pray my children, and then to troll.
76 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
CFK has scuttled off to the Vatican with a lot of large emtpy suitcases.

He's a Jesuit - remember Python “its the Spanish inquisition!”
77 andy65 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
I wonder what she will make of this-some message from God maybe in support of her fairy tale -I mean claims
78 Nostrolldamus the 13th (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
@75 Citizen John

Usurper! Your coup has failed and the members of your junta are being arrested. Another failed Argentine junta.

Long live the rightful heir to the Troll Crown. Nostrolldamus the 13th.
79 andy65 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
Am American friend of tweets

hope this new pope weeds out and stops protecting these pedophile priests..I hate to bring that up but the church has been protecting these pieces of shit for too long!!!

If he is anything like The Argentine governmant then we will be sorely dissapointed,although Argentine his parents are Italian
European Immigrants.
80 briton (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
SHIT
they have just elected an ARGENTINE bloody pope
81 Brit Bob (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
'Squatters' Isn't Christina a Squatter?
82 briton (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
Bet you she will now petition the pope
And declare an argentine victory and divine rights over the islands,
.
83 Frank (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
The new italian pope from BA should keep KFC off the front pages for a while. So her only response to the referendum will be the pathetic little 'squatter' jibe the other day.
84 briton (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina was elected in a surprise choice to be the new leader of the Roman Catholic Church, and said he would take the name Francis I.

www.buenosairesherald.com/

CFK has not yet replied,
she is putting the final touches on to her mak up.
85 windy (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:41 pm Report abuse
I'm not much on Latin but i believe the knew pope said LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS. HAHAHA
86 Brit Bob (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
An Argentine Pope - would you Adam and Eve it!
87 Frank (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
@86 an implanted Italian pope......
88 ChrisR (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
He is 76 and out of his depth in the corruption that is the Vatican. Even his time in the second worst corrupt country that is The Dark Country would not have prepared him adequately to deal with it.

He will be like all the others: spouting lies to the deluded 'faithful' in the hope of fooling them long enough until they die. And then, they will find out 'it's the final disappointment'.

LOLs
89 andy65 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
An Italian POPE recently squatting in B.A.
90 John Troll the 3rd (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
My child, the British squat everywhere, they are even squatters in their own country (stolen from the Celtics).

But our church welcomes squatters, to repent. I will troll for you my child.
91 Frank (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
Some squatters in The Peoples Democratic Republic of Islington obtained clear title to their squat some years ago on the basis of several years adverse possession.
Even if we accept the RG view ( which we don't ) then the same would apply to the Falkland squatters. 180 years of adverse possesion.......

Hmmm an implanted RG in the Vatican..... corruption to the nth degree.....
92 andy65 (#) Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
There is NOTHING Argentine about Argentinians because they are an inplanted people from Europe,I am sure the new Popes ITALIAN parents must be very proud.
93 Paragon (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:07 am Report abuse
Moan, Moan, Moan, for gods sake can we concentrate on the chaos that is Argentina, or do we have to wait till April 2nd has passed for it to die down, ( a recent comment made to me by an Argentine ).
Her current discourse and language is making her a laughing stock around the world. A leader that talks like the gutter press with words like squatters has really lost it internationally and really shows how they would respect the islanders “wishes”. Now she is even using the appointment of the new pope to take a dig at the world powers. Just hope the USA wakes up to this would be despot
94 Frank (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:19 am Report abuse
April 2nd ? The day after the price controls in the supermercados lapse?
That will be a fun day....
95 Alexei (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
I'm the sort of person who likes to get on with people, to listen to them and to compromise wherever possible. I've listened to CFK and her malvinista cronies and their historical and geographical arguments. They are feeble and deserve absolutely no further consideration. If somebody turned up at my door and said he wanted my house because one of his relatives once lived here for a few weeks. I'd tell him to f*** off. If he said he just wanted discussions about me handing over the property I'd still tell him to f*** off. If he said that he wanted me to “give peace a chance” I'd either call the police or hit him. I might suggest he takes legal advice. The same applies to CFK and her ilk, her only reasonable option is to take her crazy claim to the ICJ, but of course she won't.
96 briton (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
95
A very interesting point.
97 Frank (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 01:40 am Report abuse
OK peoples, don't be too hard on the mad bitch..... all that build up to the referendum and then Chavez pops his clogs..... and then she is just about to draw breath and get back into it when an Italian living in Argentina gets promoted to pope. Talk about having your thunder stolen. And no sooner than the new pope drops off the front page the supermercados will be upping the prices on everything....
Illegal referendum? what illegal referendum???? www.buenosairesherald.com
98 Ayayay (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 08:19 am Report abuse
@78 lol
99 Stevie (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 09:56 am Report abuse
“There is NOTHING Argentine about Argentinians because they are an inplanted people from Europe”

That statement is so stupid, I don't know where to start. Even if the Argentines today all have roots in different European nations, the Argentine culture is nothing like any other nation. It has bits and pieces from many, and other parts derived from geographical and thermal conditions.
Setting all this aside might serve many ignorants around the web, but that inicial statement is STILL hilarious. For who are Argentines if not the Argentines?
100 Pesky Army (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
Just the same as Canada, the USA, Australia etc etc....Stevie old boy you are simply brilliant....What about Malvinas is there something truly Falklander apart from being Argies with a weird accent? LOL
101 axel arg (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
DESPITE SOME OMISSIONS AND IRRELEVANT CONCEPTS.

What was omitted in this article, is that when c. f. k. compared the referendum, with a condominium meeting, was because she had read previouslly a small headline, published in a newspaper called, ámbito financiero, which considered the referendum like a codominium meeting, the headline said: ends the kelper condominuim meeting.
On the other hand, i have never agreeded on that stupid argument, which considers the population from the islands, like an implanted population, because while it is true that the actual population from the islands, is the result of the british usurpation in 1833, it's also true that after the genocide committed against the originary populations, by conservative killer julio roca, when he decided to occupy the patagonia, many inmigrants started to populate that vast territory, so, if the islanders are an implanted population, they aren't less implanted than many inhabitants from the mainland.
However, despite that genocide, our constitution includes the claims and the rights of the originary populations, which is a true historic reparation. That's' something that the u. k. has never made for arg., for having deprived it of exercising it's right over the archipelago, because unfortunatelly, such an admirable nation like the u. k., in some aspects still behaviours like the same thief of XIX century.
On the other hand, it's not true that the territory don't belong to the islanders. It belongs to them, in the same way that all the rest of argentina belongs to them also, beside, the islands belong to we all too.
If the right to self determination is not applicable for the population from the islands, is because arg. was deprived of exercising it's rights over the territory by the u. k. in 1833, beside since 1982, that country rejects sistematicly to resume the negotiations, and find a peaceful solution, as the u. n. call both countries. There is a lot more to say about all this question.
102 Anglotino (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 08:12 pm Report abuse
It would seem Stevie, Pesky Army and Axel Arg have all seen the light.

The first miracle of the papacy?

I'm summing up, they all agree that Argentina, Canada, the USA, Australia and the Falkland Islands are made up of immigrants from many different countries and each of their cultures are now different to their original country's as they have “bits and pieces from many, and other parts derived from geographical and thermal conditions”.

Really need to hyperlink this thread for future reference.
103 briton (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
we thought you had to be dying,
to see the light,

oh wel, they are argentine,lol
104 axel arg (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
ANGLOTINO.
I don't need to see any light, in order to have intellectual honesty, which is something that many of you don't have.
I have always thought and said exacty the same about the arguments that i expressed in my comment. Anyway, if you consider it like a miracle, i would like to know when will we see the miracle of watching the u. k. respecting the u. n.'s resolutions that call both nations to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution for this conflict, instead of using the hypocrite argument of self determination, which has never been applied for this cause, like it was invoked for other colonial situations by the u. n.
I would like to see the miracle also of reading the comments of many of you, recognizing that the case has strong and weak aspects for both countries, instead of reading you usuall mediocre comments, where you buy the british propaganda so easily, without any critic, if i see these two actions, then i will have to start to think about papacy miracles defenetly.
105 RobHants (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
Axel, you appear to sit on the Argentine side of this argument. Perhaps you could explain in simple terms why the Argentines believe these islands belong to them ?
106 briton (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
he claim the truth commision,
yet sits on the side of wrong, and thus gives and opinion but not fact,
to Argentinas claim,

take it to the ICJ ,
you wont,
why not,
please explain why not..
107 Anglotino (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
@104 Axel Arg

Interesting that you bring up intellectual honesty. I write about many things and you repeat the same thing. It is you that is inflexible; so here are my beliefs. Nice, tidy, transparent and easy to read:

I support:
The right to self determination
Argentina's LEGITIMATE rights

What I believe:
The UK claimed sovereignty first; before Spain
Argentina claimed sovereignty after the UK
Vernet had UK permission and support to colonise the Islands
The UN currently recognises UK sovereignty
The UN recognises a sovereignty dispute
The UN requests both Argentina and the UK to settle the issue
The UN has never revoked self determination
The legal doctrine of territorial integrity is not retrospective
Argentina is only one of the SUCCESSOR states to VRP
Argentina is not the CONTINUING state of the VRP
A successor state does not inherit sovereignty claims
A continuing state does inherit sovereignty claims
Argentina created a claim in the 1940s to take advantage of a geopolitical shift
The UN recognises 4 options for the islands
a/ integration within the metropolitan area of the UK
b/ integration within Argentina
c/ independence
d/ free association
The UK recognises 3 options for the islands
a/ status quo
b/ integration within Argentina
c/ independence
Argentina recognises 1 option for the islands
a/ integration within Argentina

What I don't believe:
That the islanders are squatters
Vernet had the right to be a UPRP governor
Argentina had the right to garrison troops on the islands in 1832
That the UK evicted an Argentine settlement or settlers
That the territorial integrity of Argentina is compromised
The UK is in breach of any UN resolutions
That only people who fight for independence can be South American
That republicanism is the only permitted government type in South America

How is that for intellectual honesty?

Your turn!
108 RobHants (#) Mar 17th, 2013 - 12:13 am Report abuse
I would say that just about covers it Anglotino.....
109 axel arg (#) Mar 17th, 2013 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
ANGLOTINO. ROBHANTS.
I have always thought that perhaps the u. k. had right to occupy the islands, in virue of it's occupation for 8 years in port egmont (1766-1774). However, according to the international right, the discovery just gives a precarious title, which muts be improved with a permanent occupation, that's yhy i think that maybe the u. k. had rights over the islands in 1833.
On the other hand, the rights of our cuntry were based on the succession of states, which is applied to all the emancipated colonial territories. While it is true that spain had never ceded anything to our country, when it declared it's independence in 1816, it is also true that the u. p. didn't need spains' licence in order to declare it's independence, and it had right to occupy the territories which had been submitted to the jurisdiction of the viceroalty, like the islands.
For all these reasons, i have always thought that if the u. k. had rights over the islands, it should have negotiated a solution with the u. p., or maybe share the sovereignty, instead of depriving our country of exercising it's rights.
On the other hand, i have never omitted the periods of silence of our country, in relation to it's claim. Beside, the signed agreement in 1850 didn't have anything to do with this cause.
However, it would be honest to take the into account the huge economic dependence that arg. had with the u. k., since XIX and for more than 100 years, so, it was obvious that it wasn't in conditions for claiming.
On the other hand, between 1884-1884, arg. suggested taking the case to the arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k., beisde in 1947, the u. k. proposed to take just the dependencies to the i. c. j.
Beyond all these facts, in 1968, 1974 and in 1980, the u. k negotiated with arg. about this cause.
All these facts show that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations. This is what i call intellectual honesty.
There is a lot more to say about this cause.

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