Falkland Islands’ referendum, Argentina should yield to reality and peoples’ self determination says Brazilian daily
Under the heading of “Malvinas: British” the influential Brazilian newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo describes the 99.8% result of the Falklands referendum as a “compelling defeat” for the Argentine government and a litigation hard to sustain when international law rests more on the peoples’ perspective than in the historic, real or imaginary territorial possession.
“The referendum is a compelling defeat for the Argentine government which, particularly when the economy is not working elevates the understandable tone of the sovereignty claim over the Islands”, says the editorial.
Thus the litigation is difficult to sustain nowadays “in which international law rests more on the peoples’ perspective than in the historic, real or imaginary territorial possession. Particularly for a government that considers itself popular such as the one of Cristina Kirchner, it is not trivial to stand up against the principle of self-determination”.
But it seems unlikely the results will impact the Argentine pretensions since government officials have described the referendum as illegal and they do not recognized the ‘kelpers’ as Islanders are called, as a legitimate part of the dispute.
The editorial then argues that the core of the problem is nationalism which triggers emotional reactions. In the 1982 conflict the Argentine generals hoping to extend the life of their decaying dictatorship appealed to a common cause to unite the country, to the extend that even the left wing organizations, massacred by those same military, applauded and joined the tragic adventure.
Likewise nobody was expecting that the virus of nationalism would spread to the British under Margaret Thatcher and would react militarily to preserve some Islands at the time with no major economic or strategic value.
The Task Force did not have much difficulties defeating the Argentines and recovering the Islands but after 74 days of combat, the death toll was 649 Argentines, 255 British and 3 Islanders.
The economic cost reveals the irrationality of that war: to recover national price Thatcher spent over a billion pounds which according to economist Robert Frank would have been enough to grant each ‘kelper’ a farm in Scotland and a generous pension for life.
Finally the editorial emphasized the significance of ‘self determination’ nowadays, arguing that since fortunately the probability of another war is remote “the region would be more secure if all sides yield to the imperatives of reality and to the principle of peoples’ self determination and would change the aggressive rhetoric for common sense and pragmatic negotiations. And if it is true that there is oil in the region, it makes even more sense to reach an economic agreement with gains for both sides”.
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Argentina, just listen to your South American brothers!
however they made a slight typo its The “Democratic” Falkland Islands not “Malweeners”
However, I did Love this bit....
“The referendum is a compelling DEFEAT for the Argentine government”,
and.....
“when the economy is NOT WORKING elevates the understandable tone of the sovereignty claim”,
also........
“Falkland Islands’ referendum, Argentina should yield to REALITY and peoples’ SELF-DETERMINATION ”
and how could i leave out this.....
“international law rests more on the peoples’ perspective than in the historic, real or IMAGINERY territorial possession”,
My oh my, what could Brazil be saying about Argentinas bullsh*t claim???
SELF-DETERMINATION.....Its contagious, we want more!!! :))))))
The Ed can now expect some pretty heavy visits from the RG embassy, and hope he has his car well insured. Lets hope the Brazilian people also respect the will of other people, and support their press.
“As British people we want democracy and peace.”
My gosh I want to vomit.
Chagos, Iraq, Afghanistan. How can you even say what you are saying. You only care about British people. You are a bunch of racists, not because I say so, but because you act so.
Of course. Racism is denying those rights to those that are not your people. That is what I meant, and that is what your government does, my child.
Unfortunately I don’t think we can do very much about the mass anti-social personality disorder and national inferiority complex underlying the current malvinistas condition. The first thing that has to happen is that their children have to be properly educated about the true and specific history of the Falkland Islands. I know this is legally irrelevant, but the false history they are taught is at the core of this and provides them with the flimsy cloak of righteousness to ‘recover’ their ‘stolen property’. They should know that nothing was stolen (except the mainland from it’s indigenous inhabitants, obviously). As “that gringo woman” put it, “the wishes of the islanders are paramount”. Those wishes are now made abundantly clear, and that still applies today, morally and under international law.
Afghanistan...didnt have a democratic government...now it has
Rights of those people to elect their own governments..the price was high..maybe too high...but the price was set by those who were denying it, not those who delivered it.
What is a tobi boi my child? Are you one of those I will have to purge from the church because of your wickedness?
The British government has shown its racism by denying self-determination to the people of Chagos. It is an overused example perhaps, but that is because it is true.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert
Folha de Sao Paulo is not staffed by political apointees but journalists who have come up through the ranks.
You are more likely to hear the truth in this paper than on any political broadcast.
My child, your objectivity is refreshing. I will not troll for you my child.
Argentinians keep going on that the dictatorship of 1982 is not the government of today and present day governments can't be blamed for their actions yet keep banging about the Chargos Islands. It's not 1968 any more, if Harold Wilson was still alive and in charge he would be 96.
I was surprised at this article I thought the world supported RGenweener
It's heartening, all the same, to see so many Argentinians coming out in support of the Chagossians.
They must surely have realized the best way to support self-determination for the Chagossians is to support self-determination for the Falklanders.
For surely denying self-determination to the Falklanders can only legitimize the British government's denial of it to the Chagossians?
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Interesting you raise this because as an example or ”proof“ it is entirely illogical and bogus.
You see you appear to be saying that it would be ”Right & Proper“ for the UK to have supported Chagosian self-determination.
However you DONT want the UK to support Falkland self-determination.
That is fundamentally arse-about-face... you either support self-determination ”full stop”, in which case you can criticise the UK for Chagos, but you then HAVE TO support the Falklands rights to self-determination also (Unless you want to be totally hypocritical)....
OR
You can openly exhibit double standards and hypocrisy by saying the Chagosians deserve self-determination but the Falklands dont... which then kinda makes the whole “Chagosian” argument of racism rather self-defeating as you have then just taken-up the “racist” position you have just accused the British of.
So, all in all, it isnt really a good argument for Argentina to pursue (perhaps why it has been dropped by their Government)
No matter what propaganda Argentina spew there will always be people that actually examine the evidence.
And if Argentina actually ever took over the Islands, what misplaced support they do have in SA would be quicky eroded by the reality of an Island population opposed to the invading administration.
Anyway, well done Brazil.
A humiliated country like Argentina will always shout and bawl, double standards indeed, for it is they that are actively pursuing the colonisation of the Falklands.
www1.folha.uol.com.br/opiniao/1245278-editorial-malvinas-britanicas.shtml
and say sorry for decades of hurt and abuse.
www.lanacion.com.ar/1562525-la-voluntad-de-los-kelpers
You really have nothing to say don't you? So Argentina has a pope in the vatican, big deal? I suppose that now you think that because of this, all Argentinians are going to heaven, and that your imaginary friend is going to pave all you streets with gold and you, the rightous, will be saved.
I've got some news for you, some good and some bad.
The good news is that, I would be nice if that happened. The bad news is that it isn't going to.
I see the pattern, Argentines “Believe” in thier rightful claim to the Falklands...It doesn't exist
Argentines believe that God will now favour them..... He doesn't exist
As I have said before, now that, in the 21st Century, the whole world has woken up to the crimes, narrow mindedness and prejudices of the Catholic church, don't you think that it is fitting that the of it abomination should be Argentine?
Maybe there is a god after all.....................
Great link.
Looks like the referendum is having a big impact on the South American public. Nestor's evil master plan is doomed.
perhaps these braindead argie bloggers should read it.
toooldtodieyoung must certainly be someone's imaginary friend.
He's too stupid to exist.
ooohhhhh!!! I think I just go b*tch slapped.
Imaginary friend? Me?? I am very real thank you, unlike your g*d.
I'm sorry, maybe he is real..... Maybe he's just too busy killing babies in Africa to answer anyone elses prayers......... LOL.
That's what this forum needs of course, another self rightous, narrow minded Christian.
What we need is a pontifical weapons programme 100% made in Argentina!
How can one be racist towards ones own kind? The Argies are as white as the average European, not surprisingly since they are a part of the great European colonial diaspora.
Philippe
Nope,
he belongs to the Vatican ,
who in turn belongs to Rome,
who in turn belongs to Italy,
Who in turn belongs to CFK?
Oh yes we forget the world belongs to Argentina does it not lolol.
They've already petitioned the UN for sovereignity rights over the Vatican as they had an Argentine National living there for over 24 hours now.
Any other popes or cardinals are from Implanted peoples and dont count and have no rights.
Any and all other claims prior to March 2012 have been written out of history - all schools are having their history books updated as we speak.
Long lie the Argentine Colonial Empire!
IN BRASIL THEY ARE PREPARING THE REFERENDUM AS FOLLOW :
PLEASE VOTE FOR
YES OR I WANT TO BE AN SLAVE AND SECOND CITIZEN
NO I WANT TO BE A SECOND CITIZEN AND SLAVE
I know you all believe in that
please explain in English, insted of gubletygook.
Whoever wrote this article does not understand one thing about the British: it was NOTHING to do with 'no major economic or strategic value' - we look after our own.
THAT was why the whole of the UK banded together; some British were at the mercy of a bunch of argie arseholes and we would not tolerate that!
And guess what? If TMBOA tries another stunt to physically attack the islands we will DO IT AGAIN, or the government will fall.
NOTHING to do with money.
EVERYTHING TO DO WITH DEFENDING BRITISH LIVES.
On the other hand, the referendum was hardly a surprise, since all of the local population is of descendants of British colonists.
I have yet to come across any documentation that explicitly spells out Spain handing over the Falklands to Argentina during their independence from Spain, if one was to take the position that they belonged to Spain, which I do not.
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