MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falkland Islands’ referendum, Argentina should yield to reality and peoples’ self determination says Brazilian daily
Under the heading of “Malvinas: British” the influential Brazilian newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo describes the 99.8% result of the Falklands referendum as a “compelling defeat” for the Argentine government and a litigation hard to sustain when international law rests more on the peoples’ perspective than in the historic, real or imaginary territorial possession. Read full article
Comments
Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is the latin american solidarity we hear so much about?
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Astonishingly realistic article... who was the author?
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol, Argentina you are so fucked! as usual!
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paging mr Think
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0We love you Brazil. You loved our Olympics, we are eagerly looking forward to yours in 2016. As British people we want everyone on earth to live in peace and freedom with democracy. It's great to hear so many people from Brazil and Chile trying to talk some sense into Argentina.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, just listen to your South American brothers!
Unless of course you try to board one of our tube trains sorry about that.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a sparkle of common sense and humanity in South America after all,
Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0however they made a slight typo its The “Democratic” Falkland Islands not “Malweeners”
However, I did Love this bit....
“The referendum is a compelling DEFEAT for the Argentine government”,
and.....
“when the economy is NOT WORKING elevates the understandable tone of the sovereignty claim”,
also........
“Falkland Islands’ referendum, Argentina should yield to REALITY and peoples’ SELF-DETERMINATION ”
and how could i leave out this.....
“international law rests more on the peoples’ perspective than in the historic, real or IMAGINERY territorial possession”,
My oh my, what could Brazil be saying about Argentinas bullsh*t claim???
SELF-DETERMINATION.....Its contagious, we want more!!! :))))))
I think this is a simple consequence of the sensible people in South America deciding they have had enough of this situation. How can Kirchner hope to achieve sovereignty over the Falklands when 99.8% of the population want nothing whatsoever to do with Argentina. They have no in-roads whatsoever and I think other South American countries will start to realise the futility of all of this and start switching off when the rhetoric raises it's head over and over again.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations to the editor of Folha de Sao Paolo...........this was an inevitable consequence of the expression of the will of the people combined with visits of open minded journalists seeing things for what they are.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Ed can now expect some pretty heavy visits from the RG embassy, and hope he has his car well insured. Lets hope the Brazilian people also respect the will of other people, and support their press.
A rational point of view, and refreshing to hear it coming from south America
Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As British people we want democracy and peace.”
My gosh I want to vomit.
Chagos, Iraq, Afghanistan. How can you even say what you are saying. You only care about British people. You are a bunch of racists, not because I say so, but because you act so.
Nothing racist about defending our people from your colonial ambitions.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course. Racism is denying those rights to those that are not your people. That is what I meant, and that is what your government does, my child.
#13 you have not made a case for racism toby boi
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank God, some sanity from Brazil! Hit the nail on the head there by identifying the core problem as virulent Argentine nationalism. We're all nationalistic to some extent. It wasn't just our sense of fairness and decency that spurred us to liberate the Falkland Islanders from Argentine invaders and oppressors. There were no apparent significant economic benefits to be had at that time. It would have been in Britain's economic interest, as El Presidente General Leopoldo Galtieri no doubt miscalculated, to abandon the Falkland Islanders to their fate, as that's exactly what he would have done under similar circumstances. He is quoted at the time to have said “What is that gringo woman going to do about it?” If a scraggy vagrant spits in your wife’s face; you don't consider his possible explanation or any potential financial implications, you immediately deck him.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately I don’t think we can do very much about the mass anti-social personality disorder and national inferiority complex underlying the current malvinistas condition. The first thing that has to happen is that their children have to be properly educated about the true and specific history of the Falkland Islands. I know this is legally irrelevant, but the false history they are taught is at the core of this and provides them with the flimsy cloak of righteousness to ‘recover’ their ‘stolen property’. They should know that nothing was stolen (except the mainland from it’s indigenous inhabitants, obviously). As “that gringo woman” put it, “the wishes of the islanders are paramount”. Those wishes are now made abundantly clear, and that still applies today, morally and under international law.
Nice one Brazil, some sense from a latam big boy. Might go out and have a Brazillian out of respect :-)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, iraq..didnt have a democratic government...now it has
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Afghanistan...didnt have a democratic government...now it has
Rights of those people to elect their own governments..the price was high..maybe too high...but the price was set by those who were denying it, not those who delivered it.
@14
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is a tobi boi my child? Are you one of those I will have to purge from the church because of your wickedness?
The British government has shown its racism by denying self-determination to the people of Chagos. It is an overused example perhaps, but that is because it is true.
This righteous squealing about “racism” is priceless from a country founded on racism, which genocided its indigenous population, then murdered its African slaves.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert
Remember the article was written by Journalists not political apointees.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Folha de Sao Paulo is not staffed by political apointees but journalists who have come up through the ranks.
You are more likely to hear the truth in this paper than on any political broadcast.
Britain not taking back the Falklands could've resulted in serious consequences for Gibraltar and the other BOTs. It wasn't all about nationalism or economics.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My child, your objectivity is refreshing. I will not troll for you my child.
@18
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians keep going on that the dictatorship of 1982 is not the government of today and present day governments can't be blamed for their actions yet keep banging about the Chargos Islands. It's not 1968 any more, if Harold Wilson was still alive and in charge he would be 96.
Nice people I find, the Brasilians.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trolls, please look down you have been Brazilianed!
Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0back sack and @+_@~
Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was surprised at this article I thought the world supported RGenweener
@23
Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's heartening, all the same, to see so many Argentinians coming out in support of the Chagossians.
They must surely have realized the best way to support self-determination for the Chagossians is to support self-determination for the Falklanders.
For surely denying self-determination to the Falklanders can only legitimize the British government's denial of it to the Chagossians?
Not to mention stopping harassment of South Georgia and SSI!
Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0January 2013 South Georgia News and Events:
- Further Protection In Marine Protected Areas
- Reindeer Eradication
- Commissioner’s Visit
- Fishing And Shipping News
- Director Of Fisheries Decision Upheld By Court
- Rodent Eradication Getting Underway Again
- Hazard Forecasting
- Rich Life Even In Glaciers
- Bird Island Diary
- South Georgia Snippets
- Dates For You Diary
http://www.sgisland.gs
.
#23 it is true the government of today is not the military government of 1982. However......it is still Argentina and the continuity of the state continues onward. All countries need to deal with the fact the the countrie's administrators come and go but the country goes on. Argentina should have striped it's former identity by changing the name if they believed that Argentina is not responsible for the actions of the junta. You're still Argentina baby......junta or peronist, it does not matter.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil are making HUGE efforts to upgrade their infrastructure over the next decade or so and have recently held two impressive forums in New York and London to drum up investment and know how. They didn't bother having one in BA as they are a basket case. Brazil needs the UK on side much more than it needs the rantings of the mad woman.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”The British government has shown its racism by denying self-determination to the people of Chagos. It is an overused example perhaps, but that is because it is true.“”“
Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting you raise this because as an example or ”proof“ it is entirely illogical and bogus.
You see you appear to be saying that it would be ”Right & Proper“ for the UK to have supported Chagosian self-determination.
However you DONT want the UK to support Falkland self-determination.
That is fundamentally arse-about-face... you either support self-determination ”full stop”, in which case you can criticise the UK for Chagos, but you then HAVE TO support the Falklands rights to self-determination also (Unless you want to be totally hypocritical)....
OR
You can openly exhibit double standards and hypocrisy by saying the Chagosians deserve self-determination but the Falklands dont... which then kinda makes the whole “Chagosian” argument of racism rather self-defeating as you have then just taken-up the “racist” position you have just accused the British of.
So, all in all, it isnt really a good argument for Argentina to pursue (perhaps why it has been dropped by their Government)
Where is “Think”, I am sure he will be busy trying to think how he can twist this one. I bet he will find an excuse. Maybe he is trying to contact the Pope for support.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Well, well, kiddikins. This is your “new” alias, is it? What a pity that you bring up Chagos. To do so demonstrates your stupidity. Shall we go through it again? No! You know full well what the facts and truth are. But it does demonstrate Britain's charity and generosity. Incidentally, on the subject of racism, can you explain the instances of Britain going to the aid of Portugal, Belgium, Poland. How about instances where Britain has had allies such as Russia, Prussia, Austria, the Maratha Empire, Hyderabad State, the Iroquis, the Cherokee, the Susu tribes, the Ashanti Empire, Spain, the Khoikhoi, Brazil, the Maori Kupapa, Costa Rica, Honduras, Nepal, various Indian princely states, the Mfengu tribe, Egypt, Italy, France, Japan, Malaya, Fiji, Kenya, South Korea, Israel, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait, Sierra Leone and Canada. Whereas argieland has racism as part of its “constitution”. That bit of paper that argies, including CFK, ignore whenever it's inconvenient. And, as Benson says, argies insist that everything that took place under the Junta has nothing to do with them. So WE British refuse to take responsibility for anything that took place before we were old enough to vote. Or anything that we didn't agree with at the time. What you got now?
Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While governments in SA may pay lip service to Argentina, any claims that their populations are 100% behind Argentina has always been bogus.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No matter what propaganda Argentina spew there will always be people that actually examine the evidence.
And if Argentina actually ever took over the Islands, what misplaced support they do have in SA would be quicky eroded by the reality of an Island population opposed to the invading administration.
It makes no sense to me to criticise British behavior to the chagos 50 years ago but at the same time expect them to do the same thing again.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, well done Brazil.
36... and let's not forget the fact that if we had not recaptured the islands in 1982 the islanders where to be ejected from the Falklands to make way for the RGs implanted population.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A humiliated country like Argentina will always shout and bawl, double standards indeed, for it is they that are actively pursuing the colonisation of the Falklands.
You can read it here if you like:
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/opiniao/1245278-editorial-malvinas-britanicas.shtml
CFK should in fact get down and kiss the feet of every islander she can,
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and say sorry for decades of hurt and abuse.
It's not just Brazilians demolishing the Argentine case. Here is a withering Argentine condemnation of the Malvinistas, well worth a read. Somebody's due a visit from the taxman.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1562525-la-voluntad-de-los-kelpers
11 John Troll the 3rd
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really have nothing to say don't you? So Argentina has a pope in the vatican, big deal? I suppose that now you think that because of this, all Argentinians are going to heaven, and that your imaginary friend is going to pave all you streets with gold and you, the rightous, will be saved.
I've got some news for you, some good and some bad.
The good news is that, I would be nice if that happened. The bad news is that it isn't going to.
I see the pattern, Argentines “Believe” in thier rightful claim to the Falklands...It doesn't exist
Argentines believe that God will now favour them..... He doesn't exist
As I have said before, now that, in the 21st Century, the whole world has woken up to the crimes, narrow mindedness and prejudices of the Catholic church, don't you think that it is fitting that the of it abomination should be Argentine?
Maybe there is a god after all.....................
@40 HansNiesund
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great link.
Looks like the referendum is having a big impact on the South American public. Nestor's evil master plan is doomed.
40
Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps these braindead argie bloggers should read it.
@41
Mar 15th, 2013 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0toooldtodieyoung must certainly be someone's imaginary friend.
He's too stupid to exist.
44 Bongo
Mar 15th, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0ooohhhhh!!! I think I just go b*tch slapped.
Imaginary friend? Me?? I am very real thank you, unlike your g*d.
I'm sorry, maybe he is real..... Maybe he's just too busy killing babies in Africa to answer anyone elses prayers......... LOL.
That's what this forum needs of course, another self rightous, narrow minded Christian.
@45
Mar 15th, 2013 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0What we need is a pontifical weapons programme 100% made in Argentina!
“You are a bunch of racists” - LOL!
Mar 15th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can one be racist towards ones own kind? The Argies are as white as the average European, not surprisingly since they are a part of the great European colonial diaspora.
Elementary, my dear Watson.
Mar 15th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
The pope is ours they say,
Mar 15th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope,
he belongs to the Vatican ,
who in turn belongs to Rome,
who in turn belongs to Italy,
Who in turn belongs to CFK?
Oh yes we forget the world belongs to Argentina does it not lolol.
“”“Oh yes we forget the world belongs to Argentina does it not lolol.””
Mar 15th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They've already petitioned the UN for sovereignity rights over the Vatican as they had an Argentine National living there for over 24 hours now.
Any other popes or cardinals are from Implanted peoples and dont count and have no rights.
Any and all other claims prior to March 2012 have been written out of history - all schools are having their history books updated as we speak.
Long lie the Argentine Colonial Empire!
Brasil and all the countries in Latin-American are dreaming to be AGAIN, part of the COLONIALISM which we lived after the 1500's They all wants to be SECOND CLASS CITIZENS as the British people.
Mar 15th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IN BRASIL THEY ARE PREPARING THE REFERENDUM AS FOLLOW :
PLEASE VOTE FOR
YES OR I WANT TO BE AN SLAVE AND SECOND CITIZEN
NO I WANT TO BE A SECOND CITIZEN AND SLAVE
I know you all believe in that
that includes you as well,
Mar 15th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please explain in English, insted of gubletygook.
“Likewise nobody was expecting that the virus of nationalism would spread to the British under Margaret Thatcher and would react militarily to preserve some Islands at the time with no major economic or strategic value.”
Mar 15th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whoever wrote this article does not understand one thing about the British: it was NOTHING to do with 'no major economic or strategic value' - we look after our own.
THAT was why the whole of the UK banded together; some British were at the mercy of a bunch of argie arseholes and we would not tolerate that!
And guess what? If TMBOA tries another stunt to physically attack the islands we will DO IT AGAIN, or the government will fall.
NOTHING to do with money.
EVERYTHING TO DO WITH DEFENDING BRITISH LIVES.
agreed
Mar 15th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briton, myfriend. Chris, milorde: Brazil want peace. You knows how many important investments we lost because that dispute is insane? SA need more money, investment, laws and discipline. Important are our people, we need more upgrade, investment, democracy, liberty. We are good persons, good people, but we are weaks, stupids and revolucionaires. We need more growth for fight against the european capitalism! And !the growth” you will give for us only for money. Thanks Briton, thanks CrhisR.
Mar 15th, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not confuse the opinion of one newspaper with the opinion of the Brazilian nation as a whole. Most Brazilians don't even know what this stuff is all about, and most of those who know probably only remember it for the 1982 war. Truth is: Brazilians don't care much for the Malvinas case.
Mar 16th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, the referendum was hardly a surprise, since all of the local population is of descendants of British colonists.
#56 That is true as it is with most large notions. Most of the citizens really have very little idea of what goes on internationally and what is a major issue for this nation and that nation. Like in the USA, everyone is living to get by and dealing with issues and concerns that impact them on a day to day basis.
Mar 16th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have yet to come across any documentation that explicitly spells out Spain handing over the Falklands to Argentina during their independence from Spain, if one was to take the position that they belonged to Spain, which I do not.
Commenting for this story is now closed.
If you have a Facebook account, become a fan and comment on our Facebook Page!