Thursday, March 14th 2013 - 02:14 UTC

Three firsts for Habemus Papus: Argentine, Jesuit and announced in twitter

Three firsts for the new Pope: Argentine, Jesuit and his election by fellow cardinals was announced by twitter. Jorge Mario Bergoglio, is a theological conservative with a strong social conscience, and a modest man who declined the archbishop's luxurious residence to live in a simple apartment and travel by public transport.

The first Latinamerican pope is son of Italian immigrants and comes from modest backgrounds

Cristina Fernandez was no fan of Bergoglio because of his mention of poverty and corruption

His simplicity was demonstrated with a self-deprecating joke when he first appeared to the waiting crowd, “the duty of the cardinals is to elect a Bishop of Rome,” he said, “and they’ve gone to the end of the world to find one”.

The 266th Bishop of Rome was also the runner-up in the 2005 conclave that elected German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to become Pope Benedict. He was not an obvious candidate, but moderate cardinals looking for an alternative to the then Vatican doctrinal chief backed him.

His election comes as a surprise to Catholics because, at 76, he was considered far above the ideal age to replace a pope who broke tradition and resigned because of his advanced years. He had hardly been mentioned among the “papabili”. And although he seems to be a healthy man, from early age he only has one lung.

Described by his biographer as a balancing force, Bergoglio has the ways of a monk, is media shy and deeply concerned about the social inequalities rife in his homeland and elsewhere in Latin America.

“He is absolutely capable of undertaking the necessary renovation without any leaps into the unknown. He would be a balancing force,” said Francesca Ambrogetti, who co-authored a biography of Bergoglio after carrying out a series of interviews with him over three years.

“He shares the view that the Church should have a missionary role, that gets out to meet people, that is active ... a Church that does not so much regulate the faith as promote and facilitate it,” she added.

“His lifestyle is sober and austere. That's the way he lives. He travels on the underground, the bus, when he goes to Rome he flies economy class.”

The former cardinal, the first Jesuit to become pope, was born into a middle-class family of seven, his father an Italian immigrant railway worker and his mother a housewife.

He is a solemn man, deeply attached to centuries-old Roman Catholic traditions as he showed by asking the crowd cheering his election to say the Our Father and Hail Mary prayers.

Bergoglio is also a member of well-known Argentine soccer club San Lorenzo.

In his rare public appearances, Bergoglio spares no harsh words for politicians and Argentine society, and has had a tricky relationship with President Cristina Fernandez and her late husband and predecessor, Nestor Kirchner.

President Cristina Fernandez has avoided official national ceremonies where Bergoglio was leading because he has repeatedly talked about poverty, corruption and selfishness of the political system.

Bergoglio became a priest at 32, nearly a decade after losing a lung due to respiratory illness and quitting his chemistry studies. Despite his late start, he was leading the local Jesuit community within four years, holding the post of provincial of the Argentine Jesuits from 1973 to 1979.

After six years as provincial, he held several academic posts and pursued further study in Germany. He was appointed auxiliary bishop of Buenos Aires in 1992 and archbishop in 1998.

Bergoglio's career coincided with the bloody 1976-1983 military dictatorship, during which up to 30.000 suspected leftists were kidnapped and killed -- which prompted sharp questions about his role.

The most well-known episode relates to the abduction of two Jesuits whom the military government secretly jailed for their work in poor neighbourhoods.

According to “The Silence,” a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order's protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.

Verbitsky's book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen suffered five months of imprisonment.

Those who defend Bergoglio say there is no proof behind these claims and, on the contrary, they say the priest helped many dissidents escape during the military junta's rule.

His brother bishops elected him president of the Argentine bishops’ conference for two terms from 2005 to 2011.

Stories of his humility abound. When he was appointed a cardinal in 2001, Bergoglio persuaded hundreds of Argentines not to fly to Rome to celebrate with him but rather to donate to the poor the money they had raised for their airline tickets.

Bergoglio has been close to the conservative Italian religious movement Communion and Liberation, which had the backing of Popes John Paul and Benedict as a way to revitalize faith among young people.

Rev Gerald Fogarty, a Jesuit and Church historian at the University of Virginia, said he was “pretty sure I'd never see a Jesuit pope” and was surprised that Bergoglio had been chosen because of the criticism of his stand during the dictatorship.

The Jesuit order was founded in the 16th century to serve the pope in the Counter-Reformation and some members of the Society of Jesus, as the order is officially called, think no Jesuit should ever become pope.

In the 2005 conclave, Bergoglio emerged as the moderates' rival candidate to the conservative Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who went on to become Pope Benedict. After that conclave, some commentators spoke of Benedict as “the last European pope” and said the Latin Americans had good chances to win the next time.

Bergoglio, who speaks his native Spanish, Italian and German, was then tipped as a possible head of an important Vatican department but he begged off, saying: “Please, I would die in the Curia.”

According to reports in Italian media well informed of Vatican affairs, Bergoglio impressed cardinals in the pre-conclave “general congregation” meetings where they discussed problems facing the Church.

After the 2005 conclave, a cardinal apparently broke his vow of secrecy and told the Italian magazine Limes that Ratzinger got a solid 47 votes in the first round while Bergoglio got 10 and the rest were scattered among other names.

Votes began to switch in the second voting round the next morning, pushing Ratzinger's count to 65 and Bergoglio's to 35. Limes said the Argentinean was backed by several moderate German, U.S. and Latin American cardinals.

The third round just before lunch went 72 for Ratzinger and 40 for Bergoglio, according to Limes, and the German cardinal clinched it on the fourth round that afternoon with 84 votes.

Bergoglio's tally sank in the fourth round to 26, indicating some supporters had jumped on the Ratzinger bandwagon. “Some apparently concluded this was the way the Holy Spirit was moving the election,” one cardinal said after the vote.

However eight years later Bergoglio became Francis I and in an innovation the Holy See announced to the world that a new Pope had been chosen not only through white smoke coming from the Sistine Chapel, but also via a social network after it tweeted “Habemus Papam”.

The Vatican’s press department (@PCCS_VA) tweeted that cardinals locked in conclave had finally agreed on a new Holy Father in the third voting session, in a gathering that began on Tuesday.

The message was tweeted at 7:09 PM, a few seconds after the white smoke bellowed over Saint Peter’s Square, which was extremely crowded at the time.
 

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1 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:47 am Report abuse
Congratulations to him.
I wish he wasn't a cuervo fan but at least he is not gallina.
Malvinas and the Pope belong to Argentina.
2 XAVIERV (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:21 am Report abuse
Habemus Papam.. ARGENTINO!!!
Where are the trolls of the islands, who prophesied that Argentina is about to disappear? Hahahaha!
LOL..
3 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:26 am Report abuse
2 XAVIERV
I heard they are forming lines to buy a return ticket.

“Las Malvinas are ours“: New Argentinian Pope Francis has hard line on Falkland Islands”

www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pope-francis-hard-line-falkland-1762205
4 Boovis (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:54 am Report abuse
I wish him the best and hope he brings well needed change for the church but think it will, sadly, just be “more of the same”.
5 Think (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:59 am Report abuse
(1) Marcos Alejandro

Two Souls..... One Thought....
A Pope may be ANYTHING..., but Bostero.
6 Boovis (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:04 am Report abuse
Ignore the falklands issue, i'm more concerned on his opinions and plans regarding same sex marriage, corruption, homosexuality, child abuse in the church, women priests, priests celibacy, opening vatican records (historical and financial) to the public... Many, many bigger issues to deal with. Please don't make this another falklands thread, it gets very tiring.
7 Fido Dido (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:11 am Report abuse
A Dutch pope will never happen, so I have no dog in this fight, but my Brazilian girlfriend says it is a terrible choice ( the've chosen a mobster vs southern european and (hidden) nazi german pedophilia scumbags). Furios that they have chosen an Argentine over a Brazilian that has the most catholics in the world (for now, question is for how long since the Christian Evangelical movement is rising faster then ever).

Anyway, this is now what they talk about in Alternative Media in the US. I suspect, we will hear more about this new pope.

www.hangthebankers.com/pope-francis-kidnapping-controversy-accused-of-involvement-in-1976-abductions/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pope-francis-kidnapping-controversy-accused-of-involvement-in-1976-abductions

Meanwhile the Evangelicals are moving faster forward in South America, mainly in Brazil.
8 MagnusMaster (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:12 am Report abuse
@6 I agree, the Pope should be concerned with the Church.
9 Anglotino (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:19 am Report abuse
For such an ancient organisation with immense historical archives, I wonder how it will cope with things like Twitter.

@6 Boovis

I'm not really concerned about his views on same sex marriage and homosexuality. The church really doesn't have much influence on civil society in most countries any longer.
10 Boovis (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:21 am Report abuse
The US is still predominantly against both and murders take place in African states regularly because of the same reasons. The Pope could speak out and change all this.
11 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:21 am Report abuse
5 Think
Somehow I knew that one was coming :-))))))
12 Think (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:45 am Report abuse
(11) Marcos Alejandro

A Bostero that “knew” something?
The age of miracles is not over ;-)))))
13 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:19 am Report abuse
You know, If I was to start listening to “Voices in my head” or saying that ”God has spoken to ( unto me, sorry ) I would be given my own padded cell and a jacket that does up at the back..........

If I go to church and talk to my imaginary friend, and listen to what he has to say then that's ok and entirely “normal”........go figure.....
14 MrFlagpole (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:23 am Report abuse
He looks like a Bond villain.

Fingers crossed this Pope is prepared to take a tough line on child abuse.
15 Beef (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:25 am Report abuse
So the malvanists think the Holy Father is now going to spend his time petitioning for the Falklands to be handed over to Argentina. I think he will.spend his time dealing with pertient issues to the church and it's flock of 1.3bn.
16 Think (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:33 am Report abuse
(11) Marcos Alejandro

Look what I found, in English ;-))))
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bostero
17 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:42 am Report abuse
Oh. A Malvinista is in charge of the church of the great sky fairy? This is going to be fun.
18 Redrow (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:01 am Report abuse
A Jesuit Malvanista - were there no kiddie-fiddlers available?
At least his Argentine heritage looks pretty solid - Italian parents.
19 Musky (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:03 am Report abuse
@3 Marcos Alexandro
Thanks for the link. So the new pope is Malvinista! It's a sign from God that the Malvinas are Argentine. First their was Maradonna now there's Pope Francis, the signs are there, definitely. Thank the lord that religion is pure fantasy.
20 BenC30 (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:31 am Report abuse
How can a man, such as the Pope, wear such a beautiful white dress and still be so homophobic?
21 Trunce (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
I knew this would be trouble.

www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/3881-new-pope-wants-catholic-church-to-invade-falklands.html
22 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:40 am Report abuse
@21 Trunce (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:35 am

'Blubber blabber blubber' said the Argentine president.

PMSL!
23 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:42 am Report abuse
Ahhh the inbreds out in force again. Funny they mention the Pope, when a guy who beheaded 5 or 6 of his wives became HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND so much for Christian love... LMAO.
P:S: It´s so easy to hammer you boys that it´s becoming a tad boring...
24 Think (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:46 am Report abuse
(15) Beef

Pertinent, Mr. Beef....
P e r t i n e n t.
25 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:53 am Report abuse
PA

As ever, such a rich Argentinian grasp of history, actually it was two, but hey, since when did the true facts ever get in the way of Argentine claims.
26 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:57 am Report abuse
Only 2...that´s all about you can say, you poor little sad dwarf?
27 Trunce (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:57 am Report abuse
@23

Don't exaggerate - it was merely two ; )

King Henry the Eighth,
to six wives he was wedded.
One died, one survived,
two divorced, two beheaded.
28 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:04 am Report abuse
@27 nice rhyme. Thumbs up ; (ironic mode off)
29 Think (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:10 am Report abuse
Speaking about the fine “Family Values” of Henry VIII and his small “Pecadillos”....

I couldn't avoid noticing, through all that press coverage during the last couple of weeks ,that many of the senior Kelpers have definitely gained more than a few stones in the last couple of years....

In best Argentinean manner, I demand you eat more veggies and less gravy!

Take care, Kelpers
El Think, Chubut, Argentina
30 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:14 am Report abuse
Sad dwarf who knows and can tell the truth, compared to a fact distorting troll, who can lie through her teeth, no suprise there. A national trait, well practiced and encouraged from birth.
31 Alexei (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:22 am Report abuse
Now's the best time for Argentina to push its land grab, with a sympathetic Pope, and a retard in the White House, who thinks Britain should hold talks with Argentina on sovereignty of the Maldives. A malvinista accused of kidnapping children 'elected' head of the Catholic church. No wonder Catholicism's going down the toilet and the evangelicals are expanding in South America... thus the transparent political appointment. Obama’s on the way out and somehow I reckon your Pope won’t be around for very long. Bring it on.
32 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:26 am
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33 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
Think, just for you.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDXD7TT2VpQ
Thought you would prefer Stanleys version better than Hermans Hermits.
34 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:48 am Report abuse
@33 Listen to me “mate”, I brought up the Hernry VIII stuff just to point out how hypocrite you people are. You don´t seem or want to understand that. You guys have your heads so stuck up in your arses that you are quick to talk about almost everything, conveniently forgetting your own crap. Done talking to you.
Jos jedan Publika Pobjeda!!!!
35 Redrow (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:57 am Report abuse
@34

You are aware he died in 1547 aren't you?
In the 466 years since we have never put a foot wrong.
36 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:58 am Report abuse
I brought up the point that you people exaggerated again. If your going to bring up a point at least due us the courtesy of being honest, for once.
37 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:01 am Report abuse
@35 My point is....HE became the Head of the Church of England, are you aware of that?
38 Redrow (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:16 am Report abuse
@37 What really? HenryVIII made himself head of the Church of England? Well I never.

And this thing that happened 500 years ago bears what relevance to 2013?
39 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
I am aware that he lived 500 years ago and that if you wanted to keep your head back then, you did not bloody upset him. Well aware of that.
40 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:23 am Report abuse
Churches? It's all bunkum anyway.

Read Dawkins, Darwin, Dr Brian Cox, Patrick Moore and Galilio

Poor old Galilio was tortured and imprisoned.

Didn't you see Monty Python - “Its the Spanish Inquisition!”
41 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:07 am Report abuse
37 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:01 am

My point would be that he died 466 years ago and so is hardly relevant to any modern argument. Damn! You Malvinistas are just too easy.
42 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:08 am Report abuse
@40 Dawkins a huge disappointment and easy refutable
Galileo was imprisoned YET he remain faithful until the end of his days
Darwin, lost his faith in God because of a traumatic personal experience (think it was due to the lost of his daughter, but can´t remember now).
Btw Catholic Church accepts and do not question the theory of evolution (natural not spiritual) , which is just that, a THEORY.
Of all atheist/agnostic writers, the one who makes most sense is Victor Stenger imo.
43 Trunce (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:14 am Report abuse
I hope Argentines realise they now have a special duty to set an example for other Catholics throughout the world.

youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk
44 Redrow (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:25 am Report abuse
@42

The Theory of Gravity is also just a theory but unless you are floating around then it is one that has been well proven - just like the Theory of Evolution.

And how exactly is Dawkins “easily refutable”. All of our emotions, thoughts and dreams are due to the coordinated release of neurotransmitters from cells encoded by DNA passed to us from our ancestors both human and ultmately primate, rodent, fish and microorganism. Darwin excluded man from “On the Origin of Species” not because he didn't realise that's how man evolved but because he knew he would be despised by the religious establishment for it and so he hoped broad-minded people would work out the human implication for themselves. People aren't so scared to speak out nowadays - hence Dawkins.
45 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
I hope Brits can afford a translator
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2292936/BBC-slammed-Pope-election-coverage-translator-fails-translate-Hail-Mary-Our-Father-prayers-correctly.html
Now it dawns to me where you people get all your facts from. You just simple cannot understand a single word outside your tiny little world.
46 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
Yeah, the BBC would not know a lot about foreign language services would they?
47 Redrow (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
@45

Yes thanks - we got taught the various religious nursery rhymes at school. But now we have grown up and can think for ourselves we have forgotten them and moved on. Do people in Argentina also challenge the various fairy stories they were taught in school when they grow up?
48 Trunce (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:44 am Report abuse
@45
“I hope Brits can afford a translator”

He was a foreigner- what more would you expect? ; )
49 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:45 am Report abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_Service
50 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
@45 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:26 am

No. I prefer the Daily Mash. Far more entertaining and closer to the truth.

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/vatican-sticks-with-nazi-theme-2013031462640
51 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:47 am Report abuse
@44 Doesn´t change the fact that it is a theory.
Regarding Dawkins just read any of Alister McGrath´s books.
Apart from the so call selfish gen, Dawkins goes into a rant against religions blaming them for everything is wrong in this world, as if people did not and still do kill each other for politics, power, etc. Even because of sport rivalry I might add.
52 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
The vast majority of Brits have moved on from superstitions like religion, and most of the rest are wary of catholics, because most are loyal to Britain, not to some Italian/ Argentinian foreigner. I am an atheist and I think religion is at the root of most wars, conflicts and sorrow. Just because I am atheist doesn't mean that I have no code to live by, many religions have good codes. But Catholicism is a particularly odious faith, it supresses half the population based on sex, opposes contraception, opposes homosexuality, opposes abortion and would take us all back to the dark ages given half a chance. What's more, this guy is at the head of the queue for all these evils. If there is anything that us Aetheists can join, its The Brights, a breath of fresh air in a very superstitious (and in many places including the US, backward), world
53 Redrow (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
@51

No, evolution is a proven fact. Your latter point shows that you have missed the entire point of what Dawkins is saying. We are fundamentally tribal because our genes and memes make and keep us so. Religion, football and politics etc are just extensions of those tribal battles. In evolutionary terms, people who nurture their children are more reproductively successful than those who let them fend for themselves - therefore nurturing behaviour gets selected for. Its just oxytocin that makes us do it, the same hormone that makes any mammal bond with its young. Don't kid yourself that we are special. So when you have a go at us Brits for our supposed arrogance, just bear in mind it was a Brit who showed the world that none of us are any more special than a rat or a dog.
54 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
@50
Speking of the truth may I suggest you reading this:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/cristinaodone/100206992/the-guardian-sticks-the-knife-into-the-new-pope/
Boy you people are twisted...
P.S. Instead of wasting my time here shouldn´t you be learning bulgarian and romanian languages, I´ve heard it will be an asset in the years to come in a place call Britain; I can even help you out with bulgarian.
55 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
Trolls, the Guardian and the Independent are very low circulation , less than 200,000 . They are recognised as limp wristed 'wimp' papers with no influence at all.
Yes, our country welcomes all sorts from vegetable pickers to brain surgeons, as long as they are willing to work. We don't restrict foreigners to the villas to struggle as cartoneros like you do.
Most of you are guests of various EU countries as you try to escape the poverty and crime of Argentina. However much you have been brainwashed from birth you must have grave doubts nagging away at your hearts.
If you want to quote press quote influential newspapers.
56 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
Errr sorry but was it me the one quoting from “the daily mash” and stating that it was “Far more entertaining and closer to the truth”.
Barking up at the wrong tree mate..
Regarding me I am no guest in Europe since I was born here from european parents, just happens that I ve lived in Argieland for some years. And no, I aint of no Spanish/italian background just slavic and germanic ;
According to you all people from those countries are more than welcomed right? That´s odd because I have been reading on the Daily Mail for a week at leat (is it influential enough for you) how these people were coming to Britain to abuse the system and so on. Anyway your problem not mine. Just proves your hypocresy once more.
57 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
@56 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:28 pm

No. That was me. You know that the Daily Mash is satire don't you?

And you've been reading the Daily Mail for a week?

That would explain the frothing at the mouth and the incomprehensible drivel then. Is it influential enough? No. It isn't influential at all. C-minus. Must try a whole lot harder than this you fraction of an individual.
58 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:32 pm Report abuse
@57 So, you base your opinions on satirical papers and then refer to them as “ closer to the truth”? Boy you are a piece of work...
“And you've been reading the Daily Mail for a week?” I just pointed out that the news about the romanians and bulgarians were delivered on a daily basis by the tabloid for at least a week. You seem to have limited comprehension skills.
At least this fraction of an individual can understand basic english you little bitter mousekin...
59 CaptainSilver (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
Hahaha, we call the Daily Mail the Daily Fascist in our house. It's an extreme right wing rag beloved by Colonel Blimps and racists and laughed at by the vast majority. Should be great reading for someone from Argentina and all other lovers of Franco, Mussolini and Hitler! We don't seek to prove hypocracy, we just like taunting hypocrites...
If you are talking about Iraq, 2 million British people marched on the streets of London to oppose the war, the biggest ever demo in the history of our country. And, Blair is branded as a war criminal by the vast majority. The same goes for Afghanistan. As for the Chagos that's just hyperbole dreamed up by your people. There is no better place than Britain, and British culture is best which is why it needs to be protected and fostered. If you had travelled to all corners of the world you would know that.
60 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
@58 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:32 pm

Sorry. My bad. You'd need a sense of humour to understand that one.

Listen chap you're getting delusional. La Campora might think you're the best of the best but their standards are pretty poor and in the real world the ability to string a couple of grunts together does not make an animal sentient.

Keep banging those pots together though, I am sure you'll get there eventually.
61 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:50 pm Report abuse
Well, it might be great reading for an Argie, but it happens that it still is a british tabloid right? BTW you are telling me that since DM, the Sun, etc are fascist tabloids, my conclusion is that fascism is alive and well in Britain with thousands of people swallowing their garbage everyday. If only Oswie Mosley would be around to see this...
62 Elena (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
Congratulations to Argentina :)
loved his joke about Cardenals looking to the end of the world :D
63 Boovis (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
Buenos Aires Herald: “buenosairesherald.com/article/126327/did-venezuela%E2%80%99s-ch%C3%A1vez-nudge-christ-to-pick-south-american-pope”; did chavez nudge christ to pick an SA pope?”
No, simple answer. Don't be so frickin mental.
64 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
@61 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:50 pm

I wouldn't say that but you are a knob so I suppose you would. It is alive, yes, but it isn't well. We have far too much fun slapping it own. In the same way we like slap down throbbers like you. It is a national sport.

Daily Mail readers? Sun readers? We have a name for them. Knobs and throbbers and the people think they are the beating heart of British public opinion. That will be you Pesky. That will be you. Tw@t.
65 Elena (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:05 pm Report abuse
63 :O All I can say is... he´s in campaing to fight for presidency, politicians talk strange stuff while in campaing :)
66 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
@64 Furry ol' boy you are seriously losing the plot here mate, just calm down, take a deep breath and repeat with: Las malvinas son argentinas.
Feel better now? Good
My question is: how is it that you have some many fascist tabloids if there weren't any fascist readers...sure La Campora and KKristina must be behind funding them. Makes a lot of sense to me.
67 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
@66 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:07 pm

You remind me of somebody who used to post on here. Same style, same drivel. Different name, different nationality (again).

It's not is it? That you Guzz? You back?

I do hope so I've missed old Guzz, he was a wheeze. Just like you.

By the way. Repeat after me

The Pope is the leader of the Church of the Invisible Sky Fairy.
68 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
@67 Furious Fatty
Are you planning to answer me the question anytime soon?
How is it that you have so many fascist tabloids if there weren't any fascist readers. Is it La Campora and KKristina behind those, funding them.
69 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
Ha! It is you! Guzz mate I've missed you! It's me. War Monkey. We used to be muckers remember?

Anyway. To your question. Erm? Dunno? Maybe there are racist fascist readers it wouldn't surprise me you find the buggers everywhere you go. They were all over East Falkland in 1982. Some of them spoke Welsh with a South American accent which was a bit freaky.

Argentina, no, South America. The place is crawling with them. The UK? Yes I've met a few but they tend to hide under rocks. That said, I know a few people who read those rags for a laugh or because there is bugger all else to read. I say read but, well, you know what mean as you have confessed to being a reader yourself. Sorry. Did that answer your question?

Guzz. Good to see you back mate!
70 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
No you did not, but anyway I will just let it go, since it's obvious you cannot give me a better answer.
Back to Guzz I don't know who the heck he is. Sorry but I don't think we have ever met each other.
71 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Okay. Sorry my mistake. Look I'm sorry I have read your post several times and I can't really see a question.

“How is it that you have so many fascist tabloids if there weren't any fascist readers. Is it La Campora and KKristina behind those, funding them.”

Well it's not really a question is it because you lead with the assumption that there are a lot of tabloid news papers in Britain. But what are you comparing it to? Italian tabloids? Spanish?, Brazilian? You see you have posed a leading question without any context which is what propagandists do and I usually make a point not to answer. They are not questions. They are troll posts and in your own way you have answered it yourself.

If you want a question answered ask a question, don't try to dress an opinion up as a question and bitch when nobody answers you.
72 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
“How is it that you have so many fascist tabloids if there weren't any fascist readers. Who is funding them? How do they survive, day after day, week after week?
Does it sound better now? Comprendes ingles amigo?
P.S. What I posted before was a Logical statement, but you don't seem to get it do you?
73 Piny (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
Pónganse contento que el Papa es Argentino como todos ustedes en las islas Malvinas. Dios esta de nuestro lado y no hay armas mas poderosas que eso. amén
74 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
That will be Rupert the Il Duce!
75 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
Yes that sounds better now. An actual question.

It is a two part answer I reckon.

Firstly the legal framework that these tabloids operate in have to allow them to operate yes? That would be free press regulation then. Easy. If of course they say or do something that infringes the legal framework then action would and indeed has been taken in the past. And don't forget that just because you might disagree with somebody's opinion, it won't make the expression of that opinion illegal.

Secondly there would be the daily readership which would require only a small percentage of the population to make it profitable.

You could not assume that every Sun or Daily mail reader is a right wing fascist (but i do wonder sometimes) and even if they were you could never assume that the whole country was a right wing fascist state. Unless you have an axe to grind in which case your opinion would be moot.
76 The Cestrian (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
Controversy already about the new Pope and his association with the military junta:

news.sky.com/story/1064535/pope-francis-and-argentinas-dirty-war
77 hipolyte (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
Dios es argentino, no cabe duda
78 Vuggevise (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
Strong social conscience? LOL

A slimy coward who turns a blind eye when a junta is murdering his fellow countrymen by the thousands doesn't have a conscience ... social or otherwise. He is the scum of the earth.
79 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
@75 First things first, I never said all the country was a right wing fascist state or that Great Britain was a fascist state. It just seems to me that if those 2 tabloids are popular enough, it´s because someone reads them right?, That´s all.
80 axel arg (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:38 pm Report abuse
The article is excellent. For being honest, i am not happy with bergoglio's designation as the new pope.
During the debates for gay marriage in july of 2010, he compared the aprobation of that law, with a war against god.
On the other hand, the fact that he's seriously suspected of not protecting those two priest during the dictatorship, make me not to be proud of him.
Beside, there are documents which prove that he knew about the babies appropiations, during the dictatorship. Sorry, but i am not happy with the election of this man as the new pope.
On the other hand, gay people like me have never been welcome by the church, so, as long as it continues excluding people wno have always been discriminated and ignored by the different societies around the world, the church will contunue losing more and more devotes.
81 Pheel (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
First, he never turned a blind eye about victims of the Junta, instead fought for them to be released alive. Read Peace Nobel Prize Pérez Esquivel about the hateful libels written by the kirchnerists.
Second, we have already lose a pro-Argentina priest, as Pope he would never allowed himself to be part in our conflict.
82 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Axel poofters belong to Mardi Gras in Manchester not to the Church...
83 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Axel

In August 2003 the Episcopal Diocese of New Hampshire elected an openly gay priest, Gene Robinson, as a bishop. This came shortly after a similar controversy in England when a gay priest, Canon Jeffrey John, was appointed to become the Suffragan Bishop of Reading. Eventually, however, John agreed to withdraw in order to avoid division. In 2004, in the aftermath of Robinson's election as bishop, John was installed as Dean of St Albans, the cathedral there being the site of England's first Christian martyr.

However I believe the church requires Gay Priests to be cellebate, which in my opinion is still discrimination, as they say Rome was not built in a day. No Pun intended.
84 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
@79 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:28 pm

Then what exactly is your point? It seems like a very odd statement to make if it means nothing to you. Why waste your time on it?
85 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:25 pm Report abuse
Oh dear since you brought up the whole thing of the newspapers, I was just following the thread...man you are thick
86 Alexei (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
From an agnostic perspective, one side appear to be arrogant, self-righteous, narrow minded bigots, whilst the other look like deluded, closed minded zealots living in the land of the fairies.
87 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
Alexei I posted in russian previously still waiting to hear your thoughts about it...
88 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@85 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:25 pm

Actually no. A quick scan and you brought up news papers in post number 45 and I answered you in post number 50. Don't be a lying toe-rag your whole life and don't be so backward stupid as to get yourself caught out so bloody easily. You thick Malvinista knob.
89 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
I just made a comment on the BBC and provided a link in post n 45, AND YOU told me you prefered the daily whatsoever.
Man YOU are thick....So pathetic not even worth insulting.
90 Furry-Fat-Feck (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@89 Pesky Army (#)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:57 pm

.......and yet you continue to answer and insult.

You give us a link to the Daily Mail, you do not distinguish if your issue is with the Daily Mail or the BBC and lets face it they are both supposedly news vendors. Then you continue to mention the Daily Mail and the Sun but NOT the BBC in subsequent posts and then at the very end you say it is all about the BBC. Well pardon me for my confusion but you do lack consistency.
91 Pesky Army (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
You are losing it mate....
92 Faz (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
He lost, pea brain trol, nuthing to say
93 reality check (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
I believe the expression is faeces agitator.

Better known as shit stirrer.
94 Faz (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
He gone by by . Sleep with sister
95 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
#80 I have the same worries. Cristina bravely attacked his anti-gay preaching in 2010, calling it reminiscent of the inquisition and the crusades. And his role under the junta seems very murky; the line of his defenders in the British media at least is that the allegations are lies by militant leftists, who are really out to get him for his criticism of the government for not doing enough to fight poverty. If he was really just saying Cristina should move EVEN MORE to the left, why would the militants be against him?! My impression is if he is saying that its probably another Moyanoesque talking left in order to help the right trick, but what do you (and other trusted commentators like Think) think? I hope he won't now use his position as God's representative on Earth to meddle in Argentine politics and help the right wing opposition of which he seems to have been a part these last years; a bit like what John Paul did in Poland except Argentina isn't a Communist dictatorship under Russian occupation, so hopefuly it should be a harder job for hoim to get the moral high ground against a President who has done more than any other to help the poor and keeps winning free elections?

On the other hand he was good on AIDS; Channel 4 news said he washed victims' feet 20 years ago when it was taboo. And on a lighter note having an Argie Pope will really wind up some of the backwoodsmen, not least on here, no?!
96 malen (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
he at least is against corruption and robbing, says that to our politics (that didnt like him) of all governments, and also lives according to what he says.
he cared of those who were vulnerable on this society.
nobody was expecting him to be elected here in Arg, becuase of his age, neither him, said his sister.
hope the best for him.
I like also Máxima, she is also simple, we cant blame her for her parents, she is intelligent and is working in microcredits (she studied economy in Arg) and goes to schools, organisations to talk about economy and visits her family in Arg, took her kids to hospital here, once they got ill, I mean normal.
97 you are not first (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 03:42 am Report abuse
I am sorry my Brits pals, the circle is closing. And the world is changing...
Hey, this society of 21st century will embrace YOU as the group of people who has NEVER EVOLVED. HURRY UP, AND CHANGE BEFORE THE WORLD SURPRISE YOU Or,
You could create and a fantasy world with Somalian Pirates, and start CLAIMING EVERY THING YOU FIND FLOATING IN THE OCEAN.
You don think you are better than them, right? Well, may be is true. YOU ARE ALL OLD CRAMKY and UNABLE TO WALK 1/2 yard without your medicine Supermen. The Somalian are Real Pirates
VIVA EL PAPA ARGENTINO !
98 Anglotino (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 04:44 am Report abuse
Can someone please translate post 97 from schizoid and manic Spanglish into sane and normal English.

I know he is making a point but does anyone other than he know what it is?
99 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 05:46 am Report abuse
16 Think
You said:
Marcos Alejandro
Look what I found, in English ;-))))

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=riber+plate

I know, las gayinas are famous :-))))))
100 you are not first (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
Aglot- Dino,

I understand your disability. You will 6 Ft under the ground without seeing the world from outside of shape of an straw( this metaphor from second grade is for you to understand) In other word, you will never learn another language, but yes you have learn to steal and damage our society. Here in the USA could receive the ADA benefit as profound MR( tell some of your Argenitian good friend translate this because you are not capable. Can you clean your nose or you are still learning ? )
101 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
#96 ”I like also Máxima, she is also simple, we cant blame her for her parents, she is intelligent and is working in microcredits (she studied economy in Arg) and goes to schools, organisations to talk about economy and visits her family in Arg, took her kids to hospital here, once they got ill, I mean normal.”

Who are you talking about here?
102 Anglotino (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
Oh damn.

Can someone please help me understand posts 97 AND 100!
103 Think (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
(101) British_Kirchnerist

You ask Malen...:
Who are you talking about here?

Malen is talking about..:
Miss Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
AKA
Her Majesty The Queen of the Netherlands (from the 30 April 2013)

Argie girls luuuuuv this fairy story.....
104 malen (#) Mar 15th, 2013 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
103 Think
I believe more in the fairy tales of future Queen Máxima than in the fairy tale of Queen Christine (that ends in 2015 inexorablimently) when she tells she made money because she was “una abogada exitosa”. Dont you?
105 Think (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 12:55 am Report abuse
(104) Malen

Malenita... Cristina is not my Queen.....
Neither is she my Princess.....
But, in the balance of things, she is a brave woman in an impossible job.
106 malen (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 02:26 am Report abuse
ALL things are important when you make a balance, in my oppinion.
107 Think (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 09:44 am Report abuse
ALL things indeed.......... Couldn't agree more with you..
Please remember that constructing approach when critizicising our current administration.
108 malen (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 11:29 am Report abuse
As far as I remember, it was during the dictatorship, that Ks in Río Gallegos were working as “abogada/o exitosa/o”....if numbers dont fail me.
109 Think (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
Malenita.... Malenita....
The oldest trick in the book and you are falling for it......

If you only knew what General San Martin did with the “Damas Mendocinas” Jewels.....

If you only knew how many clerics Monseñor Bergoglio handed personally over to the Junta.....

If you only knew what Máxima does on ........

Etc.........
Etc......
Etc...

Entendés a donde estoy yendo?
No te dejés engañar tán facil pebeta!
110 malen (#) Mar 16th, 2013 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
dont want to post links, but there are many people that knew them during that time of dictatorship.
Dilma, Mujica had been in jail. These had not been in jail, exiled, or havent been combatientes either.
They were becoming millonaires with 1050 decree of dictatorship.
so, de qué se las dan para criticar?????
40 years robbing, its time they can give us a rest.
111 Think (#) Mar 17th, 2013 - 04:19 am Report abuse
Dear Malen

Again, you are using the destructive arguments from the oposition.....
If they had been combatants, you would be calling them criminals....
I don't know how old you are but.....Do you remember 2001?
What do you want... Another Menem?
Macri?

I would luuuv Mujica as president of Argentina....
Maybe we should kidnap him :-)))
112 malen (#) Mar 17th, 2013 - 01:16 pm
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113 Think (#) Mar 17th, 2013 - 01:40 pm
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114 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:14 am Report abuse
#105 “Malenita... Cristina is not my Queen.....
Neither is she my Princess.....
But, in the balance of things, she is a brave woman in an impossible job”

Quite right. I only called Cristina my Queen to annoy the ultra-Britishists in Jubilee year, and the beautiful princess of peace because she has insisted on persuing her case peacefully and looks like a beautiful princess =) (My real view, I hope obviously, is that I hope Britain will soon be as advanced a constitutional democracy as Argentina and get to elect our own head of state!) As you say she is definately a very brave woman; I hope the job will not prove entirely impossible =)

#109 Right again. Its funny some of the right wingers on here, even the sensible ones, seem to think, probably subconsciously, that Dilma and Pepe were terrorists for fighting their juntas, Nestor and Cristina were collabortors for NOT doing what the “terrorists” did, and yet with Francis, well, it was a difficult time and he did the best he could. Maybe he did and maybe he could have done more, but it was a difficult toime for ALL of them, including those who took part in armed struggle and those who mde a tactical retreat to live to fight another day.

#111 ”I would luuuv Mujica as president of Argentina....
Maybe we should kidnap him :-)))”

Only if that means we can have Cristina as Prime Minister (or President!) of Britain =)
115 Anglotino (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
“I hope Britain will soon be as advanced a constitutional democracy as Argentina and get to elect our own head of state!”

Military dictatorships in the last century:
Argentina - 6
UK - 0

2011 EUI Democracy Index ranking:
Argentina - 61
UK - 18

Yep! Advanced.

Oh PS British Kirchnerist, you totally gave away the fact you are not British in that post! Can you find it?
116 British_Kirchnerist (#) Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
#115 “Military dictatorships in the last century:
Argentina - 6
UK - 0”

Yes our democracy is older and has at times, especially the late 70s, been way in advance of Argentina's - but the truth is the Argies have caught up with and overtaken us, and are still steaming ahead on issues like press ownership that are the blight of our body politic too!

“Oh PS British Kirchnerist, you totally gave away the fact you are not British in that post! Can you find it?”

No I can't, and since I am British its a bit of a moot point! But please do point out your flawed reasoning, I for one am interested =)

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