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Montevideo, September 19th 2018 - 07:22 UTC
President Jose Mujica confirmed that the project for the construction of a liquid gas re-gasification plant in the River Plate coast, originally planned with Argentina, “will go ahead with of without the Argentine government”. Read full article
Uruguay and specifically its geriatric government, when are you going to get the hint?
WITHOUT ARGENTINA is always going to be the winning option.
The OAPs shouldn't even be considering Argentinas input in the first place. Only dementia seems to make them continuously want to get furked by the armies over and over. Better to have energy independence without the sh1t parasite involved.
It is sad that Bolivia and Brazil don't have a pipeline network to feed into major NAT GAS customers. It would be so much cheaper to buy from Bolivia than ship the LNG.
I guess nobody wants to invest in the pipelines in ALBA countries.
@3 judging from discussions on another thread it doesn't look like Brazil has any kind of infrastructure, let alone piping. They probably still sell a majority of their gas in those blue bottles that you buy on french camp-sites, next to the croissants.
Brazil has pipelines into Bolivia but only enough to transport what they need for internal supply. They've also got enough coming on-line so they'll probably stop buying from Bolivia when the guaranteed contract expires in the next few years.
Argentina has pipelines from Bolivia into the Northern Provinces but they don't reach BA where all the people and industry need it. They've been talking about building a system for 20 years. I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.
It is so crazy since they pay $15-17 mmbtu for LNG and $5-7 for nat gas from Bolivia.
They are not a smart people
Neither Bolivians or Argentinians
Bolivia is going to lose their biggest client, Brazil, in a couple years and refuse to sell to Chile over a 100 year or war. Dumb Arrogant people. They'll starve their population over pride. They get what they deserve.
What a funny story. Do Mujica & co think that the argies are actually going to allow this? I expect that, close to the physical beginning of the project, Mujica will be summoned to Buenos Aires to be told to drop it. It will probably be pointed out that if Uruguay doesn't comply, the argies will, by one means or another, wreck Uruguay's economy. And, who knows, argie troops may even be required in order to quell civil disturbances. And why the coast of the River Plate? Who's responsible for dredging the necessary channels? Could it be those friends over the border?
if Argentina wants to join great, fantastic
Do you think he really means that? He should be delighted to get Argie out of the equation. On cross border projects they always drag their heels.
100% agree on the Bolivian gas. In the 90s we built pipelines over the Andes to bring in RG natgas. Back then many were naive enough to think that new democratic Argieland would some how be different to our neighbor of the previous 200 years. Leopards and spots. It didn't take long for them to renege on their contractual obligations.
With Bolivia I think we should make a major effort to get their gas. If they want some beach, we should consider it. They get a beach and major foreign earnings and we get energy up in the north where we need it. Everyone's happy.
I think Mujica has actually, finally come to the conclusion that Uruguay needs to go it alone more often.
7. If Chile wanted to be nice they'd offer a 99 year lease on the Ocean frontage in exchange for a greatly reduced rate on the gas.
I think Chile should support the break away Province of Santa Cruz and protect it from La Paz.
Evo should be brought up on human rights violations for making his people starve and freeze for no reasons other than stupidity and arrogance.
@7 FINALLY!! FFS took him long enough to stumble on the obvious.
Seriously, what the bolivians have at the moment is more than enough. You give them access to the sea, as a good neighbour should and ultimately they get pissy about that. You should put them back into their box and tell them to go talk to peru about seafront (and their new Argie Malvinas war medals).
Giving people stuff just because they want it doesn't set a very good precedent for the future.
@8 I think most of Bolivia needs protecting from La Paz.
Evo is the perfect example of what democracy does in countries where the majority are poor and ignorant. Democracy is generally regarded as the best system we have, but there are stages of a country's development when it doesn't work well. It is hard to precisely place that line of when a country is mature enough to have a democracy, but Bolivia is not there yet, the stone age is definitely too early.
10. La Paz is the most disgusting capital city I have ever visited. I will never go back to Bolivia. Never ever.
@10 I would agree. Uneducated masses cannot be expected to make largely informed democratic decisions. It seems the less educated people are, the more likely they are to vote for faux-socialism and its promises of immediate consumption (i.e. vote for us and we'll give you £10 off your electricity bill). Where the cost of that consumption is coming from is far too difficult for them to determine.
Yes you're right, we have given them enough already, but we need that gas. I would be happy to give them a sweetener to move things along.
them to go talk to peru about seafront
Actually, Peru already gave them some. There is a 50km stretch of beach in southern Peru called Playa Bolivia. It is totally deserted and unused. It all goes to show their claims for access to the sea are bogus. It has many parallels with the FIs. They are brainwashed from school to believe some great injustice has been done them and from there on it is a self-propagating political issue.
In all fairness, Bolivia has much natural beauty, but you do need to be accustomed to 3rd world travel to enjoy it.
13. There is plenty of natural beauty in 1st world countries to see. I will never go back to that horrible place.
The one thing that sticks in my mind is looking through the outdoor market in La Paz, seeing hanging meat with flies all over it and some lady with filthy fingers trying to get me to try a piece of it!
I shutter at the memory
A gross place not worth the trouble.
@14 Well hung fly-covered filthy finger meat is a delicacy in some parts of peru.
@13 Sure, I understood that peru had offered them a place to make a nice little port facility and they decided to instead rant on and on about the distress caused to them by Chile. Like with the Argentines, it's just simple jealousy. Argentines see the falklands and cannot understand why they don't have this delivered to them by their corrupt government, leading to intense jealousy. Bolivians look at the successes of Chile and cannot understand where their corrupt government cannot deliver the same, and jealousy sets in.
If I was bolivia I would have built a port facility on that stretch of land and the related rail line to it. Then made the best of it.
However, I'm not bolivia.
@14 Yes, one could spend their entire life travelling in the 1st world and not run out of things to see.
One thing that always strikes me about life on the Altiplano is that it is almost devoid of joy. The people seem indifferent about their predicament. I don't know what the historical/cultural reasons for this are, but it is depressing.
We gave them a railway, a train and customs free port facilities. 70% of their overseas trade goes through that route. The problem is, that is 70% of ferk all. You're right, instead of ranting about not having something (that they actually have) they should focus on fixing all the things wrong with the country...and that is a long list.
It's a beautiful day here in La Serena and I have been too productive for my own good today. I am off for a run on the beach.
15. I have only been to Cusco in Peru and it was lovely. I stayed at the Montasterio and loved that they had O2 everywhere.
The only thing I regret is I didn't try the guinea pig.
I have to go to Lima soon so I guess I can get it there.
Mujica is a senile, frightened, old wimp. Whatever conclusion he has come to makes no difference. Or have you not noticed how many Kirchnerists there are in his government. Uruguay is an argie province in all but name.
@16 Why don't Chileans speak English instead of that Spanish? That in itself makes no sense to me.
We only just manage Spanish.
Things change and there are more noises coming from Uruguay about unshackling itself from Mercosur.
If you go back to Cusco, La Casona is even better than Monasterio.
In Lima Miraflores Park is the best place to stay and you are spoilt for choice of restaurants. Guinea Pig is just like pork but with fiddly little bones. The seafood is awesome.
@20 I just think it's a shame that you're not English speakers, in the commonwealth, playing cricket and all that. I guess it just wasn't meant to be.
CFK is still looking for that exclusive victory,
And if she cant get it from the Falklands,
That leaves someone nearer perhaps,
Well if people like open-pit mountains like in the western USA, acid rain forests like in the east of the USA/Canada, plastic tarp-deserts like all over Spain, toxic soil due to over-fertilizing like in Germany, basically no native fauna like in Great Britain where all animals where hunted to extinction... then yes the 1st world is your place for natural beauty.
Condorito, Chileans do not speak Spanish, neither do the Argentines. Fluency in English however is fairly high.
So Argentina is pure and perfect, nothing is extinct,
You still have dinosaurs sabre tooth tigers and you are all virgins,
Sound like paradise
Or someone’s telling little porkpies.
Environmental damage also occurs in the developing world too.
You could add to your list the birth defects, miscarriages and cancer caused in rural Argentina by the intensive use of toxins in agriculture:
And you could add to your list that in Patagonia not only has native fauna been hunted (or pushed out by alient species) to the point of extinction, but also the native HUMAN population was hunted to extinction.
Have to agree with Yankee #14 about Bolivia.
The fact you are trying to compare the environment of the 3rd world with the one in the 1st world (there is no environment there left), is beyond insulting. I would guffaw in your face at the suggestion.
So now the new line of attack by the haters is the birth defects. That story has been proven an utter hoax. Keep trying condoranus.
Birth defect is a fact, as not everybody can be born in South America...
Toby ha s seen it on his computer screen it must be true.
I will tell you one thing we absolutely don't have graffiti on the rock face of our mountains.
Go to Bariloche and drive around all over the beautiful scenery is horrible graffiti ruining the landscape. It is shameful. All the rocs are tagged and so is the face of the mountain. Shameful.
You lot shoot school children instead... Just shut up :)
The fact you think there is no environment there left in the 1st world is a clear statement of how little you know.
So now the new line of attack by the haters is the “birth defects”.
No Toby, it is not a an attack. You stated the obvious @23 that there is environmental damage in the 1st world. Fine. I have only pointed out to you that there is also terrible environmental damage in the developing world too. In fact on your doorstep.
That doesn't amount to hating Argentina. Only in your twisted mind could you equate statement of fact with hatred. I don't hate Chile because Santiago has air pollution. Your insecurity is staggering.
Birth defect is a fact, as not everybody can be born in South America...
”You lot shoot school children instead... Just shut up :)”
Stevie, what happened to the 'world-weary but idealistic humanitarian communist'????
You sound like a petulant antagonistic child!!!
Are you perhaps Teen Troll Toby?????
@28, 29 Could you two make up your minds? Birth defects hoax. And birth defect is a fact. And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have two birth defects! Congenital stupidity. Oh, perhaps I shouldn't have said genital. Neither JT3 or Stevie are really old enough!
Toby and Stevie seem to forget about Tigre and The Riachuelo rivers are some of the most polluted riverways in the world. WIth 1000s suffering ill effects from the poisonous water.
Troy, I'm not born in SA ;)
yankeeboy, you mean they should clean their rivers and shoot school children instead? Deal with your own issues :)
In a decade the Argentinian farm land will be so poisoned with pesticides it won't be suitable to grow anything.
By that time most of the mfg will be gone too
I hope Rgs like looking up to Paraguay.
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