Thursday, April 18th 2013 - 10:19 UTC

Urgent meeting of Unasur in Lima to express support for Venezuela’s Maduro

Argentine President Cristina Fernández will travel to Lima for a UNASUR meeting on Thursday in which regional countries are expected to express their support for the elections results in Venezuela and President elect Nicolas Maduro.

Cristina Fernandez, Rousseff, Mujica and Correa have confirmed attendance in Lima

After the meeting the Argentine leader will travel to Caracas to attend Maduro's inauguration ceremony on Friday. Maduro succeeds Hugo Chavez who died of cancer 5 March.

The presidents of Brazil, Dilma Rousseff, Ecuador, Rafael Correa and Uruguay’s Jose Mujica have already confirmed their participation in the UNASUR meeting in Peru that currently holds the chair of the regional group.

The objective of this meeting is to make a joint statement supporting elections held in Venezuela with Maduro as the new president that have been questioned by opposition leader Henrique Capriles who demands a recount of votes.

However a Unasur observers’ mission during the electoral process in Venezuela did not question the vote or results.

Capriles challenge and call for street protests and the government’s response with its own militants have led to clashes which caused the death of eight people and tens of injured. There are fears of an escalation of violence even when both leaders called their followers to stay at home and avoid taking to the streets.

All of South America has recognized Maduro as president elect of Venezuela but the US is still holding out precisely on the argument of the vote-recount request.

In a change of position the Organization of American States, OAS, Jose Miguel Insulza recognized Maduro as the winner of Sunday’s presidential election, but at the same time asked for political dialogue between the feuding parties and condemned the acts of violence.

“We are respectful of the legal and constitutional framework of Venezuela” said Insulza who added that the Venezuelan Electoral Council “has already adopted the decision by proclaiming Maduro as the next president”.

“We would have liked a more calm process, but they have taken a decision and I respect and abide that decision” indicated the head of OAS who added that “I have not changed my original opinion (of a vote recount), I believe there is a need for dialogue in Venezuela; in democracy you can win by a single vote”.

“I’m convinced that a recount was good for the electoral process” underlined Insulza in reference to the first reaction of the multilateral organization, “but with a divided country we must help to build bridges”.

Most European countries, which favoured a recount of votes given the minimum difference in votes, have finally recognized Maduro, including Spain that was involved in a diplomatic incident following comments referred to the electoral results.

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1 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:02 am Report abuse
Excellent. Latin America rallies round in solidarity. Capriles and his hospital burning thugs only have the support of the likes of yankeeboy. Viva Maduro!
2 Stevie (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:09 am Report abuse
Ten years ago OAS > Unasur
Yesterday OAS = Unasur
Today OAS < Unasur

There you have it mathematically. Simple logic.
3 mastershakejb (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:10 am Report abuse
lol “urgent”
somebody's worried!
4 yankeeboy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
Looks like panic and over reaction to me.
Why not just do a recount with outside observers?
What are they afraid of?
I think I know...

Also I think it is hilarious all of these countries that civilized countries ignore think that if they band together gives them some sort of clout or relevance.

Considering UnaSur has no diplomatic recognition outside of SA i don't see why they even bother. It makes them look pathetic.
5 Stevie (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:37 am Report abuse
Craploads of natural resources and a massive raising buying power.
It's the market that makes Unasur strong yanqui, and you well know it.

6 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:46 am Report abuse
With such a thin margin or voctory they should have a recount to solidy the win. Even maduro at first siad ok to the recount, then recanted that statement.
In the end it should not matter to countries with immitation democracies whether the USA endorses the election or not. To have an emergency meeting of unasur is a waste of time......but it gives them something to do.
If Dilma was smart and looking for trade brownie point before her mission to the USA, she would be saying something to the effect.

“we endorse Maduro but also believe a recount would be prodent based on the razor thin margin of victory”.

Dictocracy in action. But as we all agree, it is best for democracy in venezuela in the long run.
7 yankeeboy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:54 am Report abuse
5 When did the individual members of SA cede Sovereignty to Unasur?
Mayhap I missed that announcement somewhere.

Gads you are dumb.

Or did I miss that too.

They're just a regional group trying to be relevant but after all of these years still no major country recognizes them.
8 Gordo1 (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
More trips away from the real jobs they have!
9 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
OAS < Unasur => US interfering < Brazilian interfering
10 yankeeboy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
Without the recognition of the USA, UNASUR is a regional mouth piece and a distraction.
Face the facts
and sorry the truth hurts

BTW what ever happened to BANK OF THE SOUTH?
I thought that was supposed to overtake IADB, WB and IMF
11 Conqueror (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
@2 So
Ten years ago 0 > 0
Yesterday 0 = 0
Today 0 < 0

Mathematically sound!
@9 Sorry? Isn't your glorious fuhrer “demanding” that the US recognise Maduro? Maybe the US should respond by telling her to shove her “demands” where the sun don't shine.
12 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
I want neither US nor Brazilian interfering in Argentina.
13 manchesterlad (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
It just amazes me that any intelligent person would not want a recount in a tight race, within a day or two it would remove any shadow of a doubt & bring normality to the situation

As it stands now chaos & uncertainty will rule for months ahead but Maduro was obviously told by his advisors that all the tricks in the book were used to assure his victory & that a recount would highlight all this

Unasur have their man in power at the moment thinking of all the subsidized oil they will receive & are trying desperately to justify his election but it all seems like an act of desperation to me........& most of the free world!
14 yankeeboy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
12. Usually what you want and what you have are two very different things.
The USA controls 10% of Argentina's GDP and is the largest employer in the country.
Brazil is your largest trading partner

Although I think the USA is going to let Argentina fail spectacularly and make Brazil pick up the pieces.
We'll have to wait just a little longer to see if that plays out.

9.10/1 leak rate
Rut ro
15 Anbar (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
Brazil is the only thing that gives UNASUR any clout... and its seemingly tired of it itself and leaning toward bi-lateral deals with the USA et al.

Probably sick & tired of the Argentine Reich causing so many problems and contributing f-all.


“However a Unasur observers’ mission during the electoral process in Venezuela did not question the vote or results.”

translated into English:

A bunch of processional “I didnt see that!”-ers has said “I didnt see anything wrong with that!” with regard Venezuelan bought-election.

oh I am so, so shocked.


Lima huh?

I take it Reichskanzler Kirchner needs new shoes...or a handbag maybe...?
16 Brazilian (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
Sounds like a lot of anti-Latin America people here feel threatened by Unasul. Relax and let South American nations take care of their problems. If you're European, worry about the EU, if you're from the US, worry about all that has been happening there lately.
17 yankeeboy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
That's like saying we are worried all the maids adn gardeners will go on strike.

The great and powerful union of housekeepers and gardeners...oooh scary!
18 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
#16 no one is worried about latin america but I see latin america asking the USA to recognize that election. Seems just the opposite of what you said.
19 mastershakejb (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
Chile, Peru, and Colombia have their own thing going. And those are the only countries in South America going anywhere. They're technically members of UNASUR, but that's only so they don't get left out of anything regional they should know about. Really, those three countries couldn't give less of a fuck what happens to Brazil/Argentina, just as the rest of the world doesn't care what happens to them, they're so perpetually mismanaged, that they're sure to never become powerhouses/successes.
Brazil is importing fuel, lol, its stadiums for World Cup are condemned or behind schedule.
And Argentina's just a pure fuckin disaster and has been since 1960's.
Your history of perpetual self destruction and mismanagement will NEVER end, and you will NEVER stop blaming it on everyone else.
20 ChrisR (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
@2 Stevie / Guzz

The use of the carat and the equals sign etc. is not mathematics.

I suspect you think that addition, subtraction, multiplication and division is also 'mathematics' WRONG.

Care to elucidate what their use is correctly referred as?

Come on, even you should be able to ‘work’ this out (did you see what I did there?).
21 Brazilian (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
17 - Yankeegirl, your own racism will eventually bring you down. If the US isn't worried about “housekeepers and gardeners”, then why is it so desperately trying to gain back it's lost influence in South America?

18 - The US is the only country that has sistematically being involved in overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America. What Unasul is doing is sending a message to the US that it will not tolerate the overthrowing of democratic governments anymore. This was clear on Paraguay.

19 - Chile has hundreds of thousands of students protesting in the streets to try to have what we already have in Brazil: free public universities. Colombia is an example of what? And Peru? Seriously you're derranged. What World Cup stadium is condemned? And as far as the World Cup goes, it's a year away. I guess what you were trying to talk about is the Confederations Cup, but I don't you're bright enough to know the difference, and a stadium which has nothing to do with the World Cup or the Confederation's Cup. Just keep on being jealous of Brazil, sounds like a Brazilian gave your wife a good time in bed and you're angry.
22 cornelius (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
Take a look at the group of lefty’s dictators the one’s that use the wealth of the producers to remain in power what a bunch of pathetic faces
Brazil your next you will be like Venezuela if you keep electing terrorist from the left.
23 Brazilian (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
Left-wing dictator's in South America? So if a president is elected by his people but is against imperialists interests then he is a dictator? That's just ridiculous. Dilma is a terrorist for fighting against a dictatorship? Seems like a dictatorship is fine for you as long as it supports the US and it's dogs (the UK). You're ridiculous, cornhole.
24 yankeeboy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
21. Can you give me some examples of the USA “desperate” attempt to gain back its “lost influence” because I don't see it.

I am proud and glad we can overthrow corrupt gov'ts. It takes a lot of effort and skill.

I don't think you know what the term DICTATOR means and getting elected is not a criteria. Best example is Hitler, he was democratically elected and everything he did was legal under German law. Substitute Chavez and Venezuela if you want.

CFK is a Dictator by definition, so was Chavez

Filthy corrupt socialist dictators rule all of the ALBA countries.
25 Simon68 (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
21 Brazilian (#)
Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:33 pm

“... The US is the only country that has sistematically being involved in overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America...”

Operación Condor - thought up by the Brazilian dictatorship!!!!!!
26 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
“I am proud and glad we can overthrow corrupt gov'ts. It takes a lot of effort and skill.”

Especially when it has such wonderful results as what happened with the Shah in Iran and the arming of the Taliban in Afghanistan to get the soviets out.

Those overthrows worked wonderfully for your people:

You are skillful people, you always anticipate correctly the repercussions of your gov's actions...

...hahahahaha. Losers.
27 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
Famous quotes:

“The only white man you can trust is a dead white man.” – Robert Mugabe

“I want you to know that everything I did, I did for my country.”- Pol Pot

“Equality means nothing unless incorporated into the institutions.” – Slobodan Milosevic

“Equality means

“To sum it all up, I must say that I regret nothing.” – Adolf Eichmann

“Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.” – Josef Stalin

“I didn’t say ‘former president,’ I said ‘president,’ and I have the constitutional rights according to the constitution, including immunity from prosecution.” – Saddam Hussein

Quotes of elected dictators, socialists and plain old evil men. I choose Sadam's last as I hope the people of argentina will get their shot together and those will be KFC's last words.

Everyone in South America thinks anyone more powerful than them are imperialists. But a blind eye remains to CHina.

“18 - The US is the only country that has sistematically being involved in overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America.”

You need a cleaner history book, one unflitered.
28 mastershakejb (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Don't lie, Chile has MAYBE 10's of thousands, not hundreds of thousands, if even that much protesting.
And Brazil is a disaster because of its socialism, and because of its corruption/mismanagement. I don't wish that on Chileans. Brazilians LOVE Chile. When I was in Chile there were tons of Brazilians there looking for work and gushing over how wonderful a country it is.
If I had been born in Brazil, I would have done ANYTHING to get out, ANYTHING! including risking my life and doing dangerous, illegal things. But if I had been born in Chile...I'd be alright with that, I might make no effort at all to go to USA or UK, I might be happy just the way things were.
29 Anbar (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 03:46 pm Report abuse
30 Stevie (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 04:02 pm Report abuse
Brazilians love Chile. That's great, and Chile loves Brazil. Beautiful.
The mutual love is growing day by day between all South American nations. One thing is politics, another is the people communicating like never before. Nobody put that into question, and all is as it should be. What most of us dislikes though, is the British military presence in the southern cone, as the US intereference in Colombia. Because we love Colombia too ;)
31 yankeeboy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
CFK softly mumbles
All is well! All is well! All is well!
as she rocks back and forth, back and forth...

Argentina’s international reserves will drop to $37.5 billion as capital controls erode the country’s trade balance, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co.

JPMorgan’s estimate of a $5.5 billion decline in central bank funds this year assumes that capital controls will prevent a pickup in private-sector outflows. Reserves dropped to $39.8 billion yesterday, below $40 billion for the first time since May 2007.

“Capital controls threaten to exert an adverse toll on expectations of economic performance,” JPMorgan analysts including New York-based Vladimir Werning wrote in an e-mailed research report.

Argentina’s merchandise trade balance will be $9.6 billion this year, according to JPMorgan, down from a previous estimate of $11.6 billion.

JPMorgan cut its 2013 “agro bonus” forecast, the estimated increase in agriculture-related exports, to $4.8 billion from $6.7 billion. It projected soy crop output of 45 million tons, down from a prior estimate of 51.5 million tons. The bank raised its corn output estimate for this year to 25 million tons from 24 million tons.

YPF SA (YPFD), the oil company that the Argentine government seized in April 2012, was projected to import $600 million worth of fuel this year.

To contact the reporter on this story: Camila Russo in Buenos Aires at
32 Pirate Love (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
me thinks venezuela should have took a leaf out of The Falklands book and had a free and fair election with invited observers from around the world, unlike the chavism clinging on by its finger nails in what is just a tinpot dictatorship in an 80s tracksuit.
The longer these S.A sheep tolerate the corruption and vote rigging by self-erving incompetent latam masters the longer they will forever remain a developing country but never developed.

Long live the tracksuit! it gets my vote!
33 Condorito (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
21 Brazilian
Students demanding free education! Of course, show me a student that doesn’t want “free” education. Anyhow it is a huge topic and there are many other factors behind the protests...not going to go into it now. More broadly free doesn't equal better and all of South America’s university education is lacking. Chilean and Brazilian universities dominate the top 10, but we are still a long way down the international rankings.

UNASUR taking care of SA problems is fine from a Brazilian perspective (as the regional giant), but not so appealing from a Chilean perspective (as one of the smallest countries). Brazil forcing its agenda is no different to the US forcing its.

“... The US is the only country that has sistematically being involved in overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America...”
Operación Condor ring any bells?

25 Simon
You beat me to it:

“... The US is the only country that has sistematically being involved in overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America...”

Operación Condor - thought up by the Brazilian dictatorship!!!!!!

28 shakejb
Well said.

30 Stevie,
Sure we like Brazil, but we also like the British military in the South Atlantic – good trust worth neighbours that keep the (innately) expansionist Argies in check for us.
34 cornelius (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
@23 Brazihole You just don't get it all you create is useless people that depend on the state and to get votes they use the social assistance that is why brazil with all the resources in the world cannot compete with anybody and can export shit you can only compete with the other lefties dictator states.
Take a look at your stupid president she is trying to control prices just like all the Bolivarian cronies, take a look at that so call Venezuela Bolivarian revolution they are desperate their economy is a disaster and Brazil is following the same path “THERE IS NO EDUCATION AT THE SECOND KICK OF THE MULE”
One More think you idiot tell me how many people died in the wave of crime that Brazil is going through after the lefties took over! The military cannot compete with the lefties on murder.
Bring the military back and you will see the change yes they will kill some lefties but it will not be near the amount of people being kill today due to your complete collapse of your lefties justice system.
35 Stevie (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
You little keyboard warrior you :)

The military would kill some lefties, you say :)

Tell that to Capriles

36 yankeeboy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
34. You're right about the Progressives and the murders in their cities. Look at how crime has skyrocketed under CFK and Chavez. Even here in the USA where ever there is a huge amount of crime in a city/state and it is deteriorating due to lack of infrastructure spending it is run by Democrats. The left loves to drain the system of everyone elses money until there is nothing left and then wants a bail out.

Perfect examples are Detroit and the State of California. Once beautiful bastions of capitalism and commerce but over the last 30-40 years they've been ruined by Progressives and may never recover.
37 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
I am hardly going to get into a democrat/republican sling fest as I am never and I view both dems and reps as anti American and party first. But I assume you are a republican Yankee. That being said I would hardly call Massachusetts in dire straights. Texas is one of the most voilent crime ridden states in the union..........and they play execution of the week.
38 JamesS (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:30 pm Report abuse
i'm intrigued to whom setup this urgent meeting, great timing for Cristina to leave the country while a protest cacerolazo was arranged months ago for this date 18A to protest against her corrupt government..
39 briton (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
“... The US is the only country that has sistematically being involved in overthrowing democratic governments in Latin America...”
Operación Condor ring any bells?

and yet they all seem to hate the brits,
i wonder why,

just a thought..
40 manchesterlad (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
For all the Brit haters here..........why does most of the world speak our language, listen to our music, play our sports, read our literature, use our inventions, copy our educational system, value our principles of democracy, use our judicial system & respect our 2000 year old history???

While you're thinking about that........I'll be at Plaza de Mayo trying to save your country from left wing socialist Bolivarian extremists!!!
41 Stevie (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
Speak your language? Only with you.
Listen to your music? What music?
Play your sports? Beat you at your sports.
Read your literature? What literature?
use your inventions? What did you invent?
Copy your educational system? What?
Use your judicial system? Only Brits use Brit judicial system.
Respect your 2000 year old history? Try “vergüenza ajena”.

You lot do entertain a lot though, that I'll give you...
42 mastershakejb (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
@ 40
Argentina doesn't value your principles of democracy. They prefer dictators ;)
43 JamesS (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 10:56 pm Report abuse
the ones who do value democracy are on the streets tonight in BA, Córdoba, Mendoza, Rosario and Mar del Plata etc... protesting against the corrupt government.... stay away Krestina stay away !!
44 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:18 pm Report abuse
“Most of the world”?

Chinese languages... 1.2 billion
Hindi... 300 million
Spanish ... 400 million
Russian + Japanese ... 300 million
German + Italian... 170 million
French... 100 million
Arabic languages... 300 million
Portuguese ... 200 million
bengali... 200 million

That's 3.5 billion right there

next 20 languages... 500+ million

That's more than 4 billion.. .that's over half the planet. And the other 3 billion most don't speak english.

Play your sports? most of “your” sports have existed in some fashion for millenia, from football to tennis. They just had variated rules but for the most part, archeological evidence is overwhelming that many of the same sports were played throughtout human history and in Asian, Amerindian cultures as well.

Your music? Only because people are godamn retarded and have been brainwashed into thinking English language music is better. In fact it is the worst because its just regurgitated crap. I NEVER listen to english music anymore.

Your literature?? SINCE WHEN?? lol... absolutely no one with any knowledge or that's involved in writing will say that there are ANY important english-language authors... the fact “J.K Rowling” is so revered when she is a mediocre writer at best that would have never been published anywhere else is all the evidence you need.

You can't name ONE acclaimed English-language author. Just in Spanish you can name several current ones that are considered GREATS: Garcia Marquez, Vargas Llosa... in Portuguese Coelho. English? Zip.

Democracy? I thought that was the Greeks, last I checked.

Your Justice? Last I checked most of the western world was in civil law, a calque of Roman law.

I'll give you credit for the panoply of vocabulary that your languages possesses, more than any other I know. And for parlamentarianism.
45 mastershakejb (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
@ 44 John Fool the Turd
lol, you're so ignorant and mentally retarded that its impressive
-most hindi speakers speak english
-most spanish speakers listen to english music and can speak at least a little english
-most germans speak a decent amount of english, and italians speak a little too
46 Also Add (#) Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
most japanese and french speak at least a little english too
47 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:04 am Report abuse
So, to sum it up, a whole bunch of people speak a little English. Great.

“Most Spanish speakers listens to English music”
That is a ridiculous statement and I'd love for you to show me your stats on that.
48 mastershakejb (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:17 am Report abuse
lol, stevie mad and butthurt, just like argentina, as usual
49 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:28 am Report abuse
Seems like johny the turd likes to mix facts and opinions, facinions in his lingo. When you start talking music, literature, sports you speak merely opinions and that means envy in MY OPINION.
Defoe, Wilde, Swift, Shakespeare, Austen, Caroll, I am not English but there works are abundant and there literary list is endless. Maybe you need to go to school that teaches and not indoctrinates.
Never forget you spanish greats are European descent.
50 manchesterlad (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:31 am Report abuse
@ dweebie & JT the turd

English is the business language of the world & is most peoples 2nd language

& speaking of great British inventions here are a few from the top 50 list
Harrier Jump Jet.....annahilated the RG airforce during the Falklands War
Sonar.........detected the Belgrano armed with exocet missiles ready to attack
Torpedoes.........sank the Belgrano & sent the rest of the navy fleeing

& whilst we're on the subject here are a few RG inventions
Revisionist history
Losing a war but still claiming the spoils

P.s. great turnout in P d Mayo tonight.....looks like CFK's days are numbered!!!
51 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
Oh, not at all. I'm merely stating the obvious here, with a smile on my lips.



Did you invent all that? Who is claiming the spoils here?

52 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:09 am Report abuse


There are none of worth mentions.


Don't get your hopes up any new government will be more friendly towards countries of Europe. My generation has no interest in any ties with you.
53 mastershakejb (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:18 am Report abuse
Stevie and John Fool the Turd still butthurt and mad, like Cristina, forever
54 agent999 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:23 am Report abuse
@52 Troll

“Charles Dickens’ second stab at a historical novel, A Tale of Two Cities, has sold more than 200 million copies to date, making it the bestselling novel — in any genre — of all time....”
55 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:35 am Report abuse
When you guys present an example of a prosperous society, the Nordic ones are often mentioned. Reasonable, as they do lead each and every list you like to point at.
When presenting writers you mention Dickens.... Try Mark Twain as well. Excellent writer.

And both socialists.
Just as the countries of the north you like to refer to.
70 years of socialism led them where they are today.

So continue phrasing the victories of socialism, I can only agree with you.
56 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse

There are none of worth mentions.

Again....nothing but an your asshole, everyone has one. But here's something. Has Argentina decided to install storm drains so you do not have emergency floods.....or is kirchner still stealing the money? That's a fact johnny
57 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:14 am Report abuse
Your opinions are facts while others opinions are opinions?

58 agent999 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:29 am Report abuse
@55 Troll
The comment previously made was that there were no English writers worth mentioning.

Their success in writing had little to do with whether they were socialists or not.
59 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:40 am Report abuse
I forgot George Orwell, excellent writer...

Of course their success has everything to do with them being socialists, for obvious reasons, they are the ones to reach out to the masses.
60 agent999 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:00 am Report abuse

What absolute rubbish “ for obvious, they are the ones to reach out to the masses ”.

You could add J. R. R. Tolkien to the list.
61 mastershakejb (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:45 am Report abuse
Stevie and John Fool the Turd still butthurt and mad, like Cristina, forever
62 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:49 am Report abuse
I've read Tolkien. Beautiful language, wits in the lines. I've read George Martin as well. From USA, impressive dialogue and raw reality in his texts.
But lets be fair, you can't compare fiction with reality...
63 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
Are Tolken, Dickens, and Carroll alive?

If they are, ok you win. LOL
64 Benjamin James (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Hi, I’ve just published a novel based in Venezuela which tackles the issues of power and corruption under Chávez within the framework of a fictional story of arms and drug smuggling. The similarities with Argentina are stunning - who would want to be supported by this group of leftie failures??

Details at:

Hope you like the book - it's all in there!!

Benjamin James
65 Simon68 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
How strange, Stevie claims to be a Tupa anarchist and now is praising socialist writers!!!!!!!

He specially points out George Orwell as an “excellent writer”, and Orwell was the writer who constantly wrote about the horrors of fascist authoritarianism, and here we have Stevie supporting CFK's fascist (mis)government as well as Chávez's now inhereted by “Pajarito” Maduro!!!!!!!

I'm amazed at the incoherence of these supposed socialists!!!!!!
66 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
#64 In your pompous and amateurish looking synopsis you say “I have deliberately drawn monochrome portraits of many of the fictional characters”; could it not just be that you weren't able to give your characters colour?
67 agent999 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
@63 Troll
Your first comment was:-

“Your literature?? SINCE WHEN?? lol... absolutely no one with any knowledge or that's involved in writing will say that there are ANY important english-language authors... the fact “J.K Rowling” is so revered when she is a mediocre writer at best that would have never been published anywhere else is all the evidence you need.”
68 GeoffWard2 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
“I’m convinced that a recount was (would be) good for the electoral process” underlined Insulza, Chairman (?) of the Organization of American States, OAS.
The USA and the EU nations apparently think similarly.

Yes, it is only sensible for fellow Lefty presidents of South America to hold to the general proposition 'My fellow Bolivarians, right or wrong'.
It would break the consensus if any broke ranks to question the process or the 'result'. The election had the intended outcome, and the means to the outcome can only get embarassing if proceedural questions are allowed.

It might be that the actual pressing of the buttons was done ethically (“Press here once” rather than “Press here once but come back six times”) but, with the whole of the machine of state engaged in 'stacking' the votes, one has to say that this is as far away from a democratic election as it could be.
I have seen similar sorts of thing in North East Brasil, and would say it bears so little resemblance to a British election process that it really deserves a different name.
69 Simon68 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
44 John Troll the 3rd (#)
Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:18 pm

“... the fact “J.K Rowling” is so revered when she is a mediocre writer at best that would have never been published anywhere else is all the evidence you need...”

Quite wrong, her books have been published in over 67 languages, so your claim that they “would have never been published anywhere else” is absolute balls!!!!!!
70 Chicureo (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
With all respect to my beautiful native tounge, English is the most important language in the world. The most beautiful language it is not, nor the favorite of Marxist socialists...
71 briton (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
English is the most important language in the world.
even those that do not -wish they did ?
72 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
English is next to useless really. No matter if you speak the language fluently, the Brits are just not making any sense anyway...
73 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
#72 That's their problem (and I hope by the Brits you don't also mean me!), not the fault of the language of Shakespeare...
74 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
I never mean you, or even the proud Britons in general...

Damn this generalising, we need to come up with a name for these lot...
75 briton (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
great may help lol.
76 Stevie (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:39 am Report abuse
How about 'morons'. You know, morons can't help it. Stupidity doesn't discriminate. Loads of morons in Uruguay as well.
Tell you what, you lot send us all your people like BK and we send you our oligarchy.
We'd have two societies where you'd put years to life and we'd put life to years.
Lets see who'd be richest, lets see who'd be happiest.
Human competition is great. Human cooperation is wonder.

Of course, BK would never leave his land. It is too pure beauty.
77 mastershakejb (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
lol stevie mad and butthurt, also he's got a fucked up face, horribly ugly disfigured freak, no social life, no friends, no fam, stares at mercopress screen day/night
78 ChrisR (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
76 Stevie

Would these be the 'morons' who know what mathematics are, unlike you?
79 Stevie (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
I wouldn't know who you are talking about, Chris.
Mathematics is a beautiful language, infinitively precise.
Have a look at set theory and you tell me where we belong...

80 mastershakejb (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
lol stevie mad and butthurt, also he's got a fucked up face, horribly ugly disfigured freak, no social life, no friends, no fam, stares at mercopress screen day/night
81 briton (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:54 pm Report abuse
BK would never leave his land
poor BK
unloved by his fellow argentine bloggers,

when he does leave his land [argentina]
he may well travel to canada,

it seems a popular place lol.
82 Clyde15 (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
Who defines “great literature” ? Many of the“great writers” are practically unreadable to the average punter.
I am sure that their is good literature in all languages but it requires a more than basic skill in any language to extract the full meaning and nuances of the writing.
A better judge of an author is how many languages into which they have been translated. J K Rowling writes books for children which seem to have hit a resonant spot worldwide.
Nobody would claim it is great literature - but it is what the public want.
GREATS: Garcia Marquez, Vargas Llosa... in Portuguese Coelho.
Never heard of them ! In whose opinion are they greats ? In the Hispanic/Latino world? Good for you ! Are translations available. They are probably unreadable.I must look for them in my local Waterstons

Music, yes there is a lot of crap music about in ALL countries, again it is what you like to listen to. It's like art , you either like it or you don't and no one can convince you either way.
As to sports most of the modern ones were codified and regulated in the 19th century in the UK. and adopted world wide. Very few games were invented from scratch with the possible exceptions of billiards and snooker.
English is used as a desirable second language mainly because of the USA and because of the relics of Britain's colonial past.
In India, the most prestigious schools teach their lessons in English. Educated Chinese have English as a top priority subject.
Why do you speak and read English ? It is not a requirement in Argentina or any S.American country. You don't need it as you will never leave your homeland and hate everything to do with the UK. If you don't hear or see it, your life could be pleasant and complete. Spanish should suffice.

By the way, I have asked you twice already on your view of Italian/Spanish immigrants arriving in Argentina. As Europeans do you still hate them or are they magically transformed into blameless Argentinians ?
83 Brazilian (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
#82 - Paulo Coelho isn't good literature, it's commercial and sells well, and that's all that there is to it. He was a great songwriter for Raul Seixas though. If you want good portuguese-language literature, you should look for Machado de Assis, Saramago, Aluísio de Azevedo, Dalton Trevisan, Clarice Lispector amongst others. Just wanted to point that out.

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