Friday, April 19th 2013 - 05:03 UTC

Two million Argentines across the country join the biggest anti-government protest in years

Almost two million Argentines marched on Thursday evening across the country’s cities and towns in one of the biggest anti-government protests in years highlighting public anger over a deteriorating economy, corruption, street crime and President Cristina Fernandez efforts to reform the media, the courts and the constitution so she can bid for a third consecutive four year mandate.

Hundred of thousands congregated in downtown Buenos Aires emblematic sites

Pots and pans, and slogans adorned the march (Pic AP)

Several hundred people gathered in front of the New York City Argentine Consulate (Photo by D. Michaels - NY)

The A18 demonstrations were peaceful, congregated through the social networks, with only Argentine flags, no political identifications and with no police on sight. Many banged pots and pans and other objects, a traditional form of protest, while others carried signs with slogans such as “Argentina, wake up!”, “Corrupt Cristina” and “If our leaders are corrupt, we lose our respect for them”.

Political analyst Jorge Castro described the marches as spontaneous, horizontally organized and warned that “no political party or political leader in Argentina is capable of such a rally”.

However several prominent opposition politicians joined the march, which according to officials from Buenos Aires City convened over a million people, in emblematic places such as Plaza de Mayo, the Obelisk, the 9 de Julio avenue plus in the different neighbourhoods of the city, which television coverage showed packed.

Marchers disbanded peacefully flying Argentine flags and singing the national anthem with calls of ‘long live Argentina’.

Buenos Aires City has long been a refuge of opposition to the ruling Peronist movement and the same with Cristina Fernandez and her late husband, Nestor Kirchner, who between them have governed Argentina since 2003.

Despite a decade of strong economic growth and falling unemployment following the debacle of 2001/02, Cristina Fernandez popularity has slid over the past 18 months as voters criticize the mismanagement of the economy, rampant corruption with each exposure closer to her family and acolytes, crime and insecurity, and her arrogant style or government increasingly authoritarian.

Argentina’s inflation is one of the highest in the world, 25% with expectations of 30% in the next twelve months despite the government’s efforts to freeze basic food, house appliances and textile prices.

After winning re-election by a historic 54% in 2011 and thirty points ahead of her runner up, somehow Cristina Fernandez has managed to clash with farmers, trade unions, the Catholic church, the construction and manufacturing industries, the media, particularly the `powerful Clarin group which she wants dismembered and now the courts with a highly controversial reform criticized by lawyers, Law schools, judges and former magistrates, the Church, court staff unions and even among her own ranks in Congress.

The judicial reform which she is pushing through Congress with her majority in both houses would allow, among other things the Executive to have even greater control over the Judiciary and more influence in appointing ‘friendly’ judges.

Cristina Fernandez was not in Buenos Aires during the protests since she flew to Peru for a Unasur extraordinary summit in support of Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro, whose victory and proclamation has been questioned by the opposition candidate Henrique Capriles. The vote difference was a mere 1.7% in 15 million cast ballots and Capriles is demanding a recount.

But from Lima the president twitted it is ‘ok to protest against the government’, however she asked ‘everyone to help make Argentina a better country’.

“If you like to protest, that's fine, but it would be good, if all of us can help,“ the President said shortly after the new massive protest against her administration, identified as “18A” took off.

President Cristina Fernández also requested to maintain ”the proactive spirit that has surfaced“ among all Argentines after floods in La Plata and the city of Buenos Aires.

The flash floods following record rainfall in few hours left over sixty people dead, hundreds still homeless and millions of dollars in losses, which has further infuriated public opinion as details of the recurrent problems emerged.

In effect the projects and blue prints to help drain the flash floods and keep sewage and pluvial networks clear exist and are only waiting for the funds, which the federal government for political reasons has been reluctant to liberate. 

Besides Argentina from Sindey to Milan the Argentines marched. 

Several hundred people gathered in front of the New York City Argentine Consulate. They sang the National Anthem and chanted repeatedly 'Argentina sin/without Cristina.'

Clearly, they sought to support the massive, 2 million plus protests all over Argentina, which were taking place at the same time. It would appear that the Consulate had been vacated by consular staff, and the lights were off. One observer remarked, ”Perhaps the consular staff were sheltering in one of the multi-million dollar luxury Park Avenue apartments owned by Cristina.”


 

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1 brit abroad (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:22 am Report abuse
Who was it that recently said that the UK was using the falklands to cover up their bad governance???? Hehehehehehehehehe

marcos, what say you? where is our link to an uttterly unrelated story???
2 MrFlagpole (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:54 am Report abuse
Well good luck Argentina.

Perhaps if your government put as much effort in to feeding you as she does whining about the Falklands you'd be better off. You allow this to happen. Stand up.
3 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:56 am Report abuse
Wake up, Argentina!!

“with slogans such as “Argentina, wake up!”, “Corrupt Cristina” and “If our leaders are corrupt, we lose our respect for them”.

And Christina was away - helping prop up another government whose legitimacy is in question!

”Timid Toby”, any protests in Mendoza??!
4 Room101 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:11 am Report abuse
“Don't cry for me, Argentinaaaah...”
5 Anbar (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:30 am Report abuse
This did not happen.

its all Anglo lies.

EVERYBODY loves CFK.

The economy is fine.

If you give s the Falklands all these problems will go away.

Maggie Thatcher started all this.
6 Gordo1 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:37 am Report abuse
There was even a cacerolazo protest outside the Argentine Embassy here in London yesterday 18th April.
7 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:49 am Report abuse
Demonstrating is their constitutional right.
Changing a government is done by the urns.

Dont confuse the two.

;)
8 LEPRecon (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:55 am Report abuse
But this is impossible! Tobias constantly assures us that everything is perfect in Argentina, and that everyone is rich and happy!

Oh, I know, these 2 million people are like the Junta, nothing to actually do with Argentina, and it is all somehow someone else's fault.

Never mind, Tobias, Marcos, Think/DoD will be along soon to say that at least Argentina doesn't have .....(insert irrelevant link to something completely irrelevant happening - and probably several years earlier - in another country). Failing that, they'll comment on the Boston bombings, and glorify the terrorists by trying to compare what they do to Iraq/Afghanistan etc...

I wish La Campora would write a new playbook, this one is getting old and stale.

@7 Stevie

Urns? What? A tea urn? An urn for cremated ashes? Your sentence doesn't make sense.
9 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:11 am Report abuse
8
Of course you understand, you're not stupid, LEP.

2 million Argentines can bang on 2 million pots every day from now until the day of elections.
Nobody will count the times the pots were hit, as they will be busy counting votes.
10 Britworker (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:28 am Report abuse
What's the vernacular, Argentina is finished, jajajaja. And such.
11 wesley mouch (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:46 am Report abuse
The Argies are finally starting to wake up. Its time to storm the Presidential palace and cut off CFK's head. Fat Maximo should be executed also. A little blood spilled by the top Peronists should fix the country.
12 andy65 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
@ Stevie, You make a great ass licker mate Kirchner's looking for idiots like you are you up for it????
13 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:27 am Report abuse
12
“2 million Argentines can bang on 2 million pots every day from now until the day of elections.
Nobody will count the times the pots were hit, as they will be busy counting votes.”

Were do I lick arse, you say?

By letting people bang as many pots as they wish?
By following the democratic path when electing a government?
Or by annoying your arse with the truth?
14 Pirate Love (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:42 am Report abuse
@13 im with you, i would love nothing more than a fixed election to secure another peronist government inflicted upon the argentine population, shes and her minions are doing a truly sterling job from a british perspective and apparently 2 million pot bangers, as i believe its not a demonstration but a celebration for the kirchner reich, a misunderstood outpouring of love for the dear leader.
15 Faz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:43 am Report abuse
Stupid people
Stupid politicians
Stupid country
Total basket case...
16 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:45 am Report abuse
14
Does that mean 40 million people not banging pots?

Interesting...
17 yankeeboy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
I think it is funny that pretend South Americans think the crazy BagLady from BA is going to make it through her 2nd term.

No friggin way...
I am sure a Romanian style retirement party is being planned right about now
18 Pirate Love (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:58 am Report abuse
@16 thats possible, more likely they cannot afford pots and pans to join in the mass joyful pre-election celebration, or they are so overwhelmed and giddy with happiness and excitement that they all thought it best to take the day off! who knows?
19 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:28 am Report abuse
Marches are always a small fraction of the entire populace with the same sentiments. While we all want kfc's demise to end in the manner of Mussulini, it would serve no value to democracy. The next march the need to start demanding a presidenttal impeachment. Perhaps the politicians will be responsive to the population. If not, vote them out in October, if that does not work............storm the pink house.
20 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:39 am Report abuse
Well its all good that the people are allowed to protest, but there is some irony, isn't there, that these people are marching against Cristina's attempts to reform the media and the judiciary, when Clarin and crooked judges were key props of the junta which didn't allow any dissent at all! I hope the majority of the Argentine people will stand up and be counted against this “movement” FOR corrupt press and corrupt judiciary. Maybe these rightists are encouraged by the rampage of Caprilles' violent thugs now; when Maduro faces them down, perhaps their Argie co-thinkers will also be demoralised...
21 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:40 am Report abuse
19
You mean like in Venezuela?
South America will stand between you and la Casa Rosada. Not the oligarchy, the people.
Like in Venezuela.
22 hjarta (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:54 am Report abuse
Good maybe the MBOA will concentrate on he r country instead of trying to claim what isnt hers
23 manchesterlad (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:57 am Report abuse
@ dweebie

Nice to be with hundreds of thousands of RGs in P d Mayo last night who don't agree with your left wing socialist Bolivarian ideology!!!
24 pgerman (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
ahhh the republic is alive !!!!

By the way, Peronism is not socialism it is just catholic populist conservatism..
25 DanyBerger (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:48 pm Report abuse
Well from where to start with?

1- There is no way that there were 2m people marching, this is a complete lie from crappy media Like Clarin Miente, La Destrucción and MP from UK team.

Who do you want to cheat with these figures?

I saw many marches in Buenos Aires and bigger than this from Plaza de Mayo to Congress and the same crappy media where reporting bigger marches from Unions, social NGO, etc. never more than 150k/200k.

May be for certain neocons dinosaurs people tend to multiply people from marches by 10 when serve they interest.

2-Most of the people that were interviewed in the March seem to be working for Clarin Miente and la Destrucción, always the Morons repeat the same script without any argument.

Like the idiots here about FI want to be British, not even them believe that crap.

3-May be Jorge la Grasa is behind this? who knows?, may be after the failure of his “political scandal” that he made up with two idiots liars, he start to count people for “Clarin Miente” and multiplying by 10.

He needs to do something after his complete failure in telling lies.

The fat smoking man need something to restore his credibility that is just low as a package of Lasagna being sold in Tesco with the label pure beef from Romania made by Comigel.

Well I would like to give you guys a title for an article Clarin Miente, La Destrucción, The Economist or why not Mercopress Style.

Breaking News!

39 millions of Argentines did not march last Wednesday April 18.
Very low adhesion to the opposition call reports Dany Berger, our correspondent from Buenos Aires.

Sorry boys next time perhaps...
26 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
#25 “ There is no way that there were 2m people marching, this is a complete lie from crappy media Like Clarin Miente, La Destrucción and MP from UK team”

I thought as much myself =)
27 yankeeboy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
Ahh the cry of the truly desperate La Campora Clarin Lies

P A T H E T I C

Sad losers

rattatatat rattatatat is that a retirement party I hear?
28 Optimus_Princeps (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
@26 I'm sure an assessment from your parents' leaky basement is most accurate. Though, it looks much bigger than the pro-government marches that Cristina organizes.

Clearly, she would have to dip into the reserves a little to cover the cost of the Choripan and cheap boxed wine.

I didn't protest because I was too busy attending a funeral of someone that died due to medical stupidity. CFK is all about stupid, fat piles of lard having jobs they aren't qualified for as a part of her “social inclusion”. Nurses that are unfit even to work as maids thought that a temperature of 33.2(Celsius) is normal.

Though I'm sure certain foreign cowards think it's OK, while gratifying themselves to pictures of a leathery bag of botox.
29 ChrisR (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
27 yankeeboy

No need for rattat etc. just 'thump' from a silenced 9mm or .357 hitting the skull bone before it smashes its way through into what is laughingly called her brain.

Better make it a soft 9mm, they rattle around inside the skull doing the maximum damage and if it hits the medulla oblongata it will be instant death before it even comes to rest.

Lovely thought.
30 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
La Campora is really desparate.......I think it's most difficult to continue to shrug this off. Apparently some idiots think the entire population must march to be valid.
31 malen (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
dany bad hamburger
political scandal........yes.
Hope the justice will be enough independent someday in this country to see all the friends of people in power being very well investigated.
What about 1 allanamiento to those Baez, Cristóbal and so on???? Those are the ones with impunity, doing fraude. But no, those are protected by this gov. They should not participate in licitations, they are suspected of high level of corruption, no more licitations for Baez, Cristobal, Maximito, they cant explain how they became rich, oh well they can do it with the political and judicial protection of another thieves in power.
32 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
Those people might as well march for a joint American, British, German, Spanish, Italian, French, Chilean, Brazilian, Chinese, Uruguayan occupation of the country. That is the alternative from a government that stands up to the foreigners. The opposition may have some fresher economic ideas, but they would not be the government in fact. The foreigners would destroy us no soon the assume power.
33 Faz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:45 pm Report abuse
Thing is, Rgland already has been invaded by Spanish Italian Germans etc etc who killed all the natives...
34 Simon68 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:48 pm Report abuse
In our small town of about 10.000 souls, in September 2012 300 marched,

In November 2012 800 marched,

Last night there were well over 1.000.

Could it be that we are becoming more politically aware or is it that we are becoming less afraid of the kirchnerite hooligans???????
35 andy65 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
@ John Troll the 3rd , You do know your president is called Kirchner did she invade Argentina already or have you forgot you are a land of European immigrants.
36 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
Hahaha Simón!!
That is your proposal of change? Banging pots?
Maybe if we all bang pots, that would surely benefit the pot industry.
Instead of counting the amount of pot bangers, use your vote and accept the choice of the people.
37 andy65 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie, let's not forget 25% of Argentines survive on less than $7 per day there's no way these poor bastards can afford pots to bang on when they don't even have a pot to piss in.
38 Simon68 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
36 Stevie (#)
Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:00 pm

“... Instead of counting the amount of pot bangers, use your vote and accept the choice of the people.”

That is exactly what the 1.000+ people here are going to do in October, the fascists won the last election here by only 126 votes, that makes the 1.000+ manifestantes a very important voice in our town.

That also makes the 2.000.000+ in the rest of the country a very important voice for freedom!!!!!!
39 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
7 a day? How about 2 a day... not in argentina where health care, education, and transportation is free, but in the USA.

caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/14/what-does-it-mean-when-1-5-million-american-families-live-on-less-than-2-a-day/

2 a day before healthcare, education, and transportation (you need a car there).

extreme poverty in the USA up 150% in the last 15 years
40 malen (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Who are you going to vote in 2015 Stevie??
Kris is getting viejita she said and no posibilities according to our constitution. And well her descendance are a bit well what to say.....you know
Who?? Alice K, Boudou, Randazzo, jajaja who????
41 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
johnny troll the turd

must really suck for you to see the people march against your furher. Fortunately for the people of Argentina, you do not speak for them, children never will despite allowing them to vote. Go back on mommas tit before it runs dry.
The problem with countries like argentina that have no clue how democracy works, the refuse to realize that the opressed, supressed and ignored seldom march to say....“here's what we propose”
Perhaps you idiots need to democrartize protesting......lol
I think that KFC bullet has been cast
42 yankeeboy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
39. Toby, That figure doesn't include the MASSIVE gov't wasted welfare funds. All poor people get free medical, public transport and of course education. The kids even get to eat 3 meals a day at school!
I think it's something close to U$40K a year in bebefits and all they have to do is fill out forms and stand in line.
Now if they are too lazy to even do that then they can starve.

The increase % figures are also extremely misleading since Obama Admin has increase the people that qualify for benefits. Now FULL TIME STUDENTS not living with their parents qualify as extremely poor!!
It is ridiculous
and backfiring on him
thank goodness
43 GeoffWard2 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
Even if you consider that Cristina has been great, it is obvious to everybody that her time to depart has come.

This can be done within the parliamentary period using the constitutional guidelines of the country.
She may call on her Unasur colleagues to keep her in office (it would be ironic if she needed Paraguay to keep her in power!), but the writing is on the wall.

To save the country from its spiral to complete collapse ... who will be her Geoffrey Howe?
44 ElaineB (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
@ 28 Sorry for your loss.

There seems to be a desperate attempt by some to dismiss the march against the government as unimportant. Foolish in the extreme. The backlash against the government is going to grow and grow until CFK leaves office.
45 slattzzz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
Hows stevie going to vote anyway thought you had to live there?
46 DanyBerger (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
Oh! wait a minute guys I have another...

40.5 millions Argentines did not choose to buy or read Clarin Miente, La Destrucción and MP according with News & Media of the World think Tank!

The figures symbolises the discredit suffered by traditional media due to several years of bad and biased information used to influence readers, said John Manuel MC Gutierres from Sausalito Texas where News & Media of the World headquarters are located.

According with John an exhaustive research was carryout by sending emails to 30 people most of then targeting blinds across the country.

May be time to reconsider the role of the media in modern days?

Poll!

You don’t trust traditional media always?
You don’t trust traditional media often?
You don’t trust traditional media but sometimes you read it?
I don’t know, I don’t care, I don’t trust.

Poll Result

People don’t trust traditional media
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 99%

I don’t know, I don’t care, I don’t trust.
X 1%
47 axel arg (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:08 pm Report abuse
A DEMOCRATIC EXPRESSION, DESPITE SOME HYPOCRITE BEHAVIOURS.
While it is true that everybody have right to protest in the country, it's also true that in not all the nations people can express their descontent freely, without being hardly repressed by statal forces, like so loved lady thatcher used to do when she ruled the u. k., and ordered to repress social protests.
However, in all the manifestations, including yesterday, there were agressions against journalists, by small groups of reactionary and mediocre people, which was shamefully omitted in this report.
It necesary to hear what people said yesterday, and read their signs, instead of watching the pictures only, or reading a lammentable report like this, which analysis is decadent and too partial.
If many of those people who were protestting yesterday really cared about having more security, or fighting against corruption, they wouldn't claim c. f. k. only. They know they should claim the different governors too.
However when i see that the demands and the critics are adressed to c. f. k. only, then i realize that many of those people are just using these problematics hypocritically, but actually they don't have any genuine concerning in relation to those problems.
Everybody know that security doens't depend on c. f. k's decisions only, it's a responsability of the different governors too, according to our contitution.
On the other hand, people from capital, at the ame time that they criticised the denounces of corruption cases that invole c. f. k's govt., they didn't say a word about the corruption cases that involve mauricio macri's government, which shows the hypocrite using by the protestors.
Beside, they all omitted that justice must be independent not just from government, but from corporations too, however none of them said absolutly anything in reference to the legal protection that the clarin group could get since 2009, in order to not to comply with the new broadcast law. HYPOCRITES AND DECADENTS.
48 Tim (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
9 Stevie (#) We can expect a lot of false documentation, a lot of paid votes and a lot of fiddling. I'm a “Fiscal General” and we will have our eyes wide open
49 Brit Bob (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
And I had hoped she would finish her destruction job on Argentina and get re-elected.
50 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
48
You mean like the right wing did up until 2002?
Nah, no need, the people is in charge, and you'll only be taking back power with force. Mostly because you lot just can't take a democratic defeat.
It's not the lack of power that worries you the most, it's the fact that the wealth of the nation is being distributed to the most needy ones. And you, playing the part as the most greedy ones, are a bit butthurt.
That's ok though, and with time, it's a feeling you'll get used to ;)
51 Pirate Love (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
from a more personal,selfish point of view i hope she remains voted in, the best source of comedy caper that ever took office, she will be missed by at least 1 person anyway, i cant see chubbys chavez rent boy being much fun to ridicule.

Heaven forbid that Argentina should ever have a competent true leader, they may even one day manage to pull their head out of their ass.
Vote for “Old Hag” keep the comedy coming!
52 yankeeboy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
51. Don't worry the chance of Argentina having a competent honest government is about the same as winning the powerball lotto and getting struck by lightning while riding in a spaceship.
No worries, we'll be laughing at them for years to come.
53 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
#28 “I didn't protest because I was too busy attending a funeral of someone that died”

Maggie?

“CFK is all about stupid, fat piles of lard having jobs they aren't qualified for as a part of her “social inclusion”.”

I thought she was supposed to be all about subsidising idleness with generous benefits for those who choose not to work; get your smears straight!

#29 You really are a terrible human being, at least when you let your hate for Cristina take over

#30 “Apparently some idiots think the entire population must march to be valid”

Idiots like you, if the topic was the war on Iraq!

#37 “there's no way these poor bastards can afford pots to bang on when they don't even have a pot to piss in”

Even if true thats a moot point as these protesters are the rich

#38 “the fascists won the last election here by only 126 votes, that makes the 1.000+ manifestantes a very important voice in our town”

They wouldn't be if actual fascists had won!

#40 “Who are you going to vote in 2015 Stevie??
Kris is getting viejita she said and no posibilities according to our constitution”

Well I hope when she sees how happy her magnanimous decision not to change the constitution makes the likes of you, she'll change her mind. But if she doesn't, then good people like Stevie (though maybe not him persoanlly, isn't he a Uruguyan?!) will have a candidate to vote for who stands in the same tradition, Timmerman perhaps, and like with Maduro after Chavez the popular project will continue. And I think even under the current constitution Cristina can run in 2019, and she still looks young to me =)

#43 “Even if you consider that Cristina has been great, it is obvious to everybody that her time to depart has come”

A point somewhat undermined by the fact that no-one who actually thinks she's been great would agree! The earliest she's leaving, apart from through death or a coup, is 2015 =)
54 yankeeboy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
Well I hope when she sees how happy her magnanimous decision not to change the constitution makes the likes of you, she'll change her mind.
WTF?
So you are finally admitting she is a Dictator!
Bravo
It took a long time
but your not too bright so it is forgiven
55 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
54
Should she hold a referendum to change the constitution, it still is under the rules of democracy and it's still the peoples choice to accept or decline. Not yours.
56 Pirate Love (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:02 pm Report abuse
train crash in super slow motion........the kirchner model!

All aboard!!!!
57 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
@53BK

“Even if true thats a moot point as these protesters are the rich”

Sure BK, don't you mean “these protestors are Middle Class”???

You can't control them like you can the poor, with government handouts.

By definition, the “rich” are friends of CFK, and what would they be protesting????
58 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
50 Stevie

I knew that your loyalty to the Botox Queen / KFC / The harpy had blinded you but really..............

When you can't even see things that are happening right under your nose....... How blind can you be?
59 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
Troy BK spews seage as he has never been Argentina. I know dozens of people that marched and are far from rich. Rich to communist and socialists hots around 1,500 dollars (7,725 pesos) a month. Sad standard of being rich.
60 slattzzz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
see we're militarizing the south atlantic again Prince Harry and a team of injured veterens are off to the south pole :)
61 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
58
In the gash of your anger I will add soil and sow
In the shadow of your pride I will stand up and walk
62 GeoffWard2 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
#60
It only becomes 'political' if they set off from the Peninsular UK/(AR)/(CH) - which they almost certainly will!
As the AR 'bases' there are military establishments, can we expect attacks on the British disabled?
63 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
62
South America doesn't have near enough ammunition to have a go at the British disabled. Combined.

Not near enough.
64 slattzzz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
@53 don't tell me you get the tissues out for tinman as well you sad puppy
@63 it's called satire as was my post at 60, anyway while shouldn't they visit Queen Elizabeth land
65 Optimus_Princeps (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
@53 The nurses were fired for their blatant stupidity, and no doubt they will be waddling to the welfare line for money to buy large quantities of beef to eat while they expand their waistlines, and watch their sons get drunk, steal, rape and kill. Boy's who don't know their father is actually their mom's abusive pedophile uncle. Unlike you I've witnessed such horrors. Not all of us are conveniently in an overseas continent.

Maggie at least brought the junta to their knees, and did more for Argentina than the disgusting plastic hag we call a president. You're an insensitive douche, but what else can be expected from someone that chooses to drool over a hag than actually care about what's good for Argentina.
66 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
64
Mine was all out honesty. And it have nothing to do with us having little ammunition...

Queen Elizabeth land? Is that the land of gin and tonic?
67 slattzzz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
@66 oh yes you'd better believe it, just had a couple sitting in the evening sunshine
68 atk357 (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
May be a little revolution here now and then it is a healthy thing. Keep pushing Argies, she'll tumble.
69 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
#65 I apologise if my Maggie comment caused any more pain and am sorry for the loss of your friend. I just couldn't resist it given the wall to wall coverage we've been having in the UK. And I was feeling less sensitive towards you than I perhaps should have, both because you were already sounding off like a “douche” towards me and the poor of your own country, and because the whole story of the death of your friend was built around an attack on Cristina that directly contradicts the usual main line of attack; ie keeping people in work rather than keeping them out of it, so I had reasonable doubt if it was even true. But if it is, you have my sympathy
70 briton (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
Here we go here we go here we go.

We hate cfk here we gooa
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
They are to early to soon.

Come on Argies go home and wait for the election,
then come back and tell us all you voted her out of office .lol.

.
71 slattzzz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
@69 what a load of shite, your tissue princess will be gone soon and then you can idolise nicky ginger sturgeon perhaps
72 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
71
Not until 2015.
Only bad thing about that is that we'll have to hear your crying for another 2 years...
73 slattzzz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@72 the only crying you'll see me doing is tears of laughter at TMBOA and her hangers on, keeps me amused for hours everyday as do your posts trying to stick up for her and thier fooked up account of history. The funniest of all has got to be Castro (bless her) it must be difficult to be that stupid only Sussie falls into the category as far as I can see
74 manchesterlad (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
The problem with the RG trolls is that they pretend to speak for all RGs, when it comes to the Falklands & Brit bashing they always assume that all of Arg thinks like them

However, demonstrations like last night prove that the country is deeply divided & left wing socialist Bolivarian extremists only represent a fraction of one side of the argument

Hence Dweebie, Markus Dickus, Danny Bugger etc., have very little credibility in their arguments.......inflation, crime & corruption are the main issues in Arg today, but what are the 3 most important cases in the congress.....media law, 'democratization' of the justice system & changes to the constitution........ All of which are designed to give CFK ultimate power!!!
75 Faz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Changes to the justice system is the way Adolf started. Hmm Kirchner...? Eichmann...
76 slattzzz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
@74 you forgot to mention that none of the trolls actually live in rgenweener.
Simon68 (non troll) is the only one who comes on here from Argentina and we have all read his posts, because he actually witnesses what is going on not like the trolls who can't accept what's going on, although they know it's the truth. How can people like doderyoverdover, Stink (same person), Sussie (US), Axel (canada) etc etc etc actually comment on things they only read the same as us, then pretend to know the mood of the country, then actually slag off a man who is there and NOW, telling them how it is, pricks !!!!!!!!! Brainwashed and paid by the Campora, I'd fuckin sack them as they are shite, continually change thier names to make it look like there are loads off rgs posting and then post the same shite in the same way THICK AS. Even the trolley dolly Castro could do better ...............oh wait a minute
77 malen (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
There can be created a cathedra of making bigs robbings with Professor Baez López Boudou and Kirchner.And big are millions of dollars and euros, not pesos. To teach the poor how to make testaferros, how to create offshore enterprises in paradise tax countries using the money of the people of this country, where can be find those lawyers that know how to make thinks “tidy” and how to manage the press to say they are all victims of a campaign of desprestigio. And how the justice does nothing to investigate this managements, because they are “ legal”. And then how if you are friend of the politicians on power you can win all licitations, to continue robbing, well NO investing money of course, jajaj.
78 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
#71 Nicola's an OK social democrat, but as you should really know by now I don't agree with her about indepedence =)

#72 “Not until 2015” At least, right comrade? =)
79 Anbar (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:39 pm Report abuse
So, to recap:

150 people in a glasgow street singing “ding dong” is “Half the population of UKs 60-odd million”...

but 2 million people (heck, or even 200,000 people) protesting against the Kirchner Reich is of no significance whatsoever.

Another brilliant example of Argentine logic methinks.
80 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
76
Then it must be Simón voting for Cristina, because somebody definitively is

;)
81 slattzzz (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
@78 lets hope its longer you cant get this sort of comedy elsewhere, let her stay still 2017 or whatever I cant wait to see her when the oil starts, thats going to be a major hissyfit...............eh comrade, better stock up on the tissues.
@79 dont worry mate its rg maths 100000 = 1 and so on
82 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
81
One mate, a matera, a bombilla, some hot water, and you are good to go.
You need yerba though.

Put the yerba in the mate, add cold water and let it sink for a miute. Repeat the process 2, 3 times, depending on the quality of your bombilla. Insert the bombilla. Remember to seal the top opening to avoid yerba inside the bombilla.
By now you might also want a posa mate.
Finally, open your mouth and pour the hot water directly on your tongue. Watch out for the flies.

Watch the mate. Get help.
83 Tim (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
50 Stevie (#) Your quote: “It's not the lack of power that worries you the most, it's the fact that the wealth of the nation is being distributed to the most needy ones.” So how do you justify the fifteen thousand million DOLLARS (some 16 tons of 100 dollar bills)whisked out of the country by the Kirchners and their cronies. Doesn't it penetrate with you that corruption kills, and it doesn't kill the rich, it kills the poor.
84 Stevie (#) Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
I don't need to justify your fantasies, Tim. That's an issue you need to deal with yourself.

I could help you out though, but first show me some unbiased proof of your statement (as in, no Sun, Daily Lies, Fox “News”, the Economist. You know, your usual shite).
85 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
Tim forget him. It's like an abused spouse syndrome, many wonder why they stay, it's the same psychological syndrome......besides, he's a guayan, give lil stevie a pass.
86 kelperabout (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:46 am Report abuse
At last the masses are starting to stand up and be counted they have had enough. Poverty , Lies, Homeless, brutality all the usual things caused by dictators. One day I am convinced Argentina will rise from this dark time and they will no longer be interested in my home any more because they will have found peace among themselves and when that happens people become happy.

I say to all those oppressed in Argentina continue to stand up and be counted your leader needs to go and soon. She will if not controlled destroy you one by one. It has happened before do not let it happen again.
87 mastershakejb (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 03:18 am Report abuse
captain poppy, stevie is NOT an Uruguayan. He's a piece of shit Argentine pretending to be Uruguayo
88 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:18 am Report abuse
How sad the reject your own nationality, but understandable.
89 Be serious (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 05:45 am Report abuse
If turkey neck gets or takes another term is fine with me. As long as she stays in power the Falklands are safe. She may sound off with skinny little shitterman but that's about it. Better the devil you know.
90 brit abroad (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 08:06 am Report abuse
Stevie monkey,

i'd wager a strong Gin and Tonic that South America does have enough ammunition. The problem i guess is that most of it is in the hands of your drug cartels, private security guards and the little militias that keep sprouting up down our way!
91 GeoffWard2 (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 09:09 am Report abuse
#86
'One day I am convinced Argentina will rise from this dark time'

and they'll look at each other in amazement, each thinking “Why did we put up with all that for so long?”
92 Think (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
(83) Tim Lough

Believe it or not, it does penetrate to many of us that corruption kills...
You British-Argentineans have no patent on the truth, you know?
Corruption kills everything good.
Everywhere.........

But ideological hatred, blatant lies and fantasy numbers are NOT the way to combat it.
Nowhere.......

Argentinean iinflation has evidently affected your Anglo-Argentinean mind, dear Mr. Hough......

”Fifteen thousand million DOLLARS (some 16 tons of 100 dollar bills) whisked out of the country by the Kirchners and their cronies” you say?

Next; you will tell me that there were 2 million people demostrating on Diagonal Norte- Plaza de Mayo on April 18'th .........

Pleeeeeeeeease, come bach to reality.....

Anyhow..... Best wishes to you and la polaca.....
El Think
93 Frank (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 10:50 am Report abuse
@82 Stevie .... here you go... no smoke without fire etc. www.buenosairesherald.com/article/128972/where-there’s-muck-there’s-brass
94 yankeeboy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
Tim, What you have to understand about the mindless rabid K supporters is when you quote a statistic it must be accurate, so if there were 1,999,999 people and you round up to 2MM they will SCREAM; IT IS WRONG, YOU ARE A LIAR, YOU DON'T LIVE HERE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU ARE AN OLIGARCH just ignore them.
They've been brainwashed and are mentally unstable.

I read the CFK gov't is very worried about the HUGE demonstrations and think they may have over played their hands on changing out the courts. The PEOPLE wants some heads on a platter
It should be fun to watch this play out
As I have said many times you can't rule Argentina without fear
and people aren't afraid of the crazy old bag lady any longer
95 Stevie (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 11:28 am Report abuse
93
“It is widely believed that bla bla bla”
“by now it must have stashed away many billions of dollars or bla bla bla”
“That is why few people were really surprised by bla bla bla”

What happened to the empirics?
96 yankeeboy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
She will never get to spend the loot.
The people are wising up now that the economy is crashing and they've run out of payola for the mob.
Sooo muuuch fuuun to watch from afar
so much fun
97 yaghan (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:12 pm Report abuse
#96: Your statements are unworthy of a true democrat, and overall offensive. What would you think if I stated how amused I was on watching the 11-S show or the latest Boston Marathon?
98 yankeeboy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
Am I advocating terrorism?
Nope
Just the proper and just end to a Tyrannical Corrupt Dictatorship

Plus I don't' think democracy works in under educated populations. The people are too easily bribed with the treasury.
99 GeoffWard2 (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
yankeeboy (#98)
'I don't think democracy works in under-educated populations.
The people are too easily bribed ..'

I guess the under-educated ARE easily bribed, but I know a heluvalot of middle-income professional families who vote for the party of lowest taxation of the middle class.
100 yankeeboy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
99. Exactly what I have been terrified of in the USA!!
101 Stevie (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
Says the one whos country teaches creationism in schools.
But then again, that don't qualify as a democratic country...
102 yankeeboy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
Yeah OK, the USA has most of the top universities in the world, one of the most creative and innovative societies, one of productive societies etc etc etc
but whatever you say Stevie
can't get one by you
retard
103 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
Because lilstevie has never left the mother land and only reads indoctrinated materials, he/she is ignornat to the fact that the USA has public schools, private schools, charter schools and parochial schools and religious schools are allowed to teach creationism as long as the core education is there. The core is Argentina is la campora indoctrination.
104 yankeeboy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
Although I am not sure I would bet Creationism is taught in all the Catholic schools in Argentina too
Which are much much better than the horrible public schools where good portion of people leave at the 6th grade.

Mayhap Stevie is a bit unbalance
105 slattzzz (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:04 pm Report abuse
@103 stevie reads what he is told, and says what he is paid to say end of dit
106 Brazilian (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:37 pm
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107 mastershakejb (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
Brazilian
I'm truly sorry that your country is a thirdworld shithole dirtpoor forever, lol
My country uses your country as its own personal toilet
108 Brazilian (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:54 pm Report abuse
Yeah my country is so poor that your country has to borrow money from it. Good luck with all those bombs going off in that shithole you live in! Buy a penis pump child, it might actually give you some self esteem.
109 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
Brazilian.....do you insult because you are incapable of making valid point? Or because you have closet sexual deficiency syndromes. There are certain trolls that result to sexual insults........psychologists have a theory on that......go to Argentina they can help with.
BTW.....you apparently don't know that bonds go out to auction for purchasing, they are not sold through a broker and salesmen making a pitch......lol. You don't want American treasuries....tell Dilma to put Brazil's idle funds in Argentina...right? Oh.......wait, Dilma does not trust Argentina and have a trade war brewing.
110 mastershakejb (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
Brazilian
lol, borrow money from brazil? put down the crack pipe and try some fresh air to the brain before “thinking”/speaking.
My country uses your country as a landfill
111 yaghan (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 09:46 pm Report abuse
#110: Sorry, would you be so kind to specify your nationality?
112 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 20th, 2013 - 11:05 pm Report abuse
@111 yaghan

Yaghan,
“, would you be so kind to specify your nationality?”
113 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 03:57 am Report abuse
Troy I would guess Argentine somewhere in the extreme southern region.....A fuegian
114 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 04:21 am Report abuse
I am an Argentinian and I live in the Gran Buenos Aires.
Regarding the protest, it was bigger than 8N where I live. I went there. I am not happy with CFK, Governor Scioli, vicegov Mariotto, and many more.
Yes, some people were agressive and rude and had no idea why they were there. Some people are just jerks. But, the majority knew and were well aware of why and what they were protesting against.
Of course that if you read the news in an officialist (pro-gov) newspaper, they were all rich and wanted a coup. If you read Clarin, or La Nacion, is a whole different story.
I don't believe either. But I am more likely to not believe in anything the government (or associated media) says, based on personal experience regarding inflation, security, employment, health care, and such.
Most people named CFK because ultimately she is the main responsible for the country's well being. And time and time again, she has proven that she and her gov. do not take any responsibility for anything. And most of the people in gov (aside from some exceptions) are from her party.
People are fed up. They want answers, they want changes. Inflation is galloping, crime is rampant and the only gov. response is “you are robbed because you are rich”, “you want to travel to Miami”, “you are a liar, inflation is only 10%”, “Macri did it”, “Clarin lies”. Ohh, and my personal favorite “you are protesting because you are fascist pig, and you are rich, obviously”.
Whether you support or dislike CFK, you cannot deny that inflation is extremely high, unemployment is soaring, crime is out of control, and corruption is rampant. I cannot believe that some people seriously believes that all news from Clarin, etc. are all made up. You only have to look around, and to look at all the people protesting, to see that her gov. is not perfect, far from it. None is, but she takes no responsibility and she is the freaking President.
I really cannot understand people that blind support her (or anyone).
115 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 08:42 am Report abuse
114
“Crime is rampant”
I always hear that argument . In Uruguay, in Venezuela, in Argentina.
Tell se Carola. Crime is rampant in comparison to when? Compared to the 90's? The years of the state financed political violence, maybe?
And if it's as you lot say that CFK's government is all about handouts, who are the criminals? Surely those who benefits wouldn't commit more crime than before...

You are parroting Clarín and La Nación.
116 mastershakejb (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
Crime IS rampant in Uruguay. Its growing at an unbelievable clip. When I first moved there in 2009, it was still pretty lax, but by the time I left in late 2011, it was almost a different nation, at least in Montevideo. The interior and far from Montevideo parts were still chill.
When I first visited Argentina in 2009, it was pretty chill, when I went back in 2012 it was a nightmare. She has managed to destroy that country at an IMPRESSIVE clip.
Stevie is a mangle faced freak who has no friends or social life, he just stares at mercopress screen day/night, and he's a socio/psychopath.
117 surfer (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
I wonder if Stevie could point us in the direction of the 'true' news, regarding this protest and also crime in Argentina?

(I want links not opinions)

It's so easy to say 'oh this newspaper is rubbish, that one is biased' etc... It's so lazy to just ignore the news because you don't agree with it.

Does anyone actually think that Clarin and La Nacion are, in fact, full of lies? Could it be more the case that they expose the inconvenient truths of the Arg govt. failings?
118 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
@114 Carola

Thank you for coming on here and giving us some true perspective.

Please be assured that the Brits and Islanders are not enemies of Argentina, just the crooks in your government who spread lies and propaganda about us to cover their crimes and theft from their own people, as well as anyone they can.

The La Campora and Communist Trolls on this forum give Argentina a bad image, but we wish the best for the thinking Argentinians like yourself.

Please keep telling us what is really going on in Argentina - we only see the propaganda most of the time.

Good luck to you and Argentina!
119 aussie sunshine (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
POWER TO THE PEOPLE..POWER TO THE PEOPLE..POWER TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
120 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
lil stevie you are not Argentine, remember you're a Guayan. CarolaLSB is Argentine and lives in Argentina, don't you think he knows better than you of the situation in Argentina than you do? He has every right to be upset, disgusted and fed up with the kirchner policies that have:

Stopped imports
eliminated DFI
increased unemployment
stalled infrastructural work
Outlawed dollars, expect for her cronies
increased crime
stalled the economy
and gave rise to over 25% inflation.

His country, his government and his president. Why does he have to answer anything to you.....a Guayan?

CarolaLSB, you Argentines need to stop kirchner from stealing the judiaciary. Once she owns that, the only path left to change Argentina will be a outright coup of the people. She needs to be stopped, hopefully democratically, but whatever way necessary before she totally robs the country blind. Hopefully as this continues to build, others will jump on the train. She will be looking for a host country......her and her billionaire friends.
121 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
Poppy
You don't convince anyone that your worries are the well being of the Argentines.

That in itself, proves my point.
122 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
Don't attempt to tell me what my worries(your word choice), as you say are and are not. You have no clue whatsoever of my motives, ulterior or otherwise. And whatever my motives are, do you really think one of them is to convince you what they are? Stick to insulting and pretending to be guayan, you are better at that than surmising. Are you finally admitting you are really Argentine yet? Do you not like the fact that there are plenty of Argentines that want kirchner out of office? Oh yes, they are rich.....is 2,000 pesos a month rich now? As a guayan, it is none of your business as it is none of mine, but I can certainly lend emotional support.
123 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
As you lend emotional support to the Iraqis.
As you lend emotional support to the Afghanis.
As you lend emotional support to the Libyans.
As you always have lended emotional support to every culture you have ever encountered.
124 Conqueror (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
@25 Hilarious! From our correspondent, Dopy Burger. Equipped with two fast cars, a helicopter and a private jet, Dopy flies around the country in minutes counting the demonstrators. And here is the report “One, two, three, dammit he moved. Start again. One, two, three.....”
@26 Don't be ridiculous. You and “thought” don't go together.
@32 You too can be ruled by Germans, Italians, Spanish, Welsh.... Oh, you already are!
@36 Are you not a pothead?
@40 He can't vote. He's Uruguayan. Or so he says.
@46 You missed a bit. “People don’t trust traditional argie media
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 99%”
@47 Whoops. English back to usual crap standard.
@50 “The people is in charge”. Hahahahahahaha. Don't “the people” want dollars, inexpensive food, constant electricity supply, heating?
@53 Flobalob. There. Doesn't that make more sense?
@55 But she's not allowed to buy anything. Right?
@61 How philosophical. You won't be standing and walking with two broken legs and two smashed kneecaps.
@63 Remember that. About time you admitted defeat and impotence.
@66 No. That's part of the BRITISH Antarctic Territory. A part that no argie scum will ever have any title to. Argie scum get 4 cubic metres! Temporarily.
@72 A sniper only has to get it right ONCE!
@77 What? Try English. It's what you're supposed to use.
@80 No. Cristina votes for Cristina. 20 dollars here, 20 dollars there. Just go figure. If you can buy a family of four for 20 dollars worth of food, you can buy 200,000 votes for a million dollars. Easy!
@92 Yeah, but you love the corruption, don't you? It's easy to tell. See, if you can lie about a simple, relatively unimportant, thing like where you are, you will lie about anything. And thus.....corruption!
@93 Lovely!
@95 Testing your defence?
@108 What's a penis pump? Is it something you use to increase your prick from 1 inch to 2 inches? Ladies like more than 6!
@115 Thought you liked the truth!
@121 Nope. Failed. YOU are nothing!
125 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
Please O please steverino, show me where I have lent emotional support to any of those countries? I would have preferred to turn those sand piles into glass bowls. Unless you mean my government. My government has lent no emotional support to Argentina.....that was me personally. You are coming unhinged lil stevie when you are unable to distinguish what I say. You still elude my questions to you and revert to any topic topic because you cannot refute what I type.
What shall you choose for a new topic in your next response?
Face your president kirchner is a crook and does not care who knows because the people of Argentina, including yourself can do nothing about it so she continues to shit on you by saying that is you life off 12 pesos a day you are not poor.
126 yankeeboy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
Looks like the Provincial Governors see a weak gazelle..
How does Crissy wield power when no one is afraid of her any longer

Stevie, I left Arg because first my neighbor got his kid's finger delivered to him, then there were MULTIPLE commando assaults oh houses in the neighborhood and teams were boxing in cars when they came off the highway and they would either car jack you or kidnap you. I had guards patrolling the front and back of my house and 12 foot gates!
It is no way to live
when you have the option
127 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
#125 “Please O please steverino, show me where I have lent emotional support to any of those countries? I would have preferred to turn those sand piles into glass bowls”

Charming. I hope people remember this evil quote whenever you try to come across as in any way caring for the people, or criticising Cristina for not doing so in your opinion, as you even try to do later on in the same comment

#126 “Looks like the Provincial Governors see a weak gazelle..
How does Crissy wield power when no one is afraid of her any longer”

Cristina has never led through fear, but persuassion. In her typical classy way I think she described it once as “I like to seduce” =) But as for the guv'nors, most of them strike me as pretty unimpressive, politically backward and obsessed with personal ambition. I hope the real leftist K tendency, and the transversal left, can in time replace them with better candidates; and I certainly expect Cristina will not let Scioli get away with standing as her successor yet with the opposite of her policies...
128 yankeeboy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 05:30 pm Report abuse
127. My gosh you know nothing about Argentina. Your comments are completely worthless.

LA Campora are goon squads.
AFIP is called to “audit” when you speak out against CKF

What is that if not fear and retribution

You make me sick
129 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
Poppy
Same emotional outburst was presented by you lot when you cried for democracy for Iraq.
Evidence shows that your (lots) emotions have a tendency to increase with the amount of natural resources a country has. And decrease as soon as those resources are in your hands.
130 yankeeboy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
Stevie, Trying to slam an American with something we are proud of doesn't work.
We care little for what other countries/people think of our actions and most likely never will.
131 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
130
That is fair enough, but don't expect the rest of the world to believe in your alligator tears...
132 yankeeboy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
In the next decade, possibly sooner, the USA will not have to worry about oil coming out of the mid-east or africa.
It will be interesting to see what happens when we pull out
133 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
Cried for democracy in Iraq..........you're smoking what you sell. I wanted to wax Iraq in 92. You actually think I wanted my compatriots giving 1 ounce of blood for towelheads and sandsurfers democracy? Persians, Turks and Arabs deserve all they get piled on them. Until you've seen one of them grab a 3 year old in there arms and split their gullet like a spring chicken in order to safe their ass, or see a father behead their own daughter because she defied her father by seeing a boy he said no to, that's a great reason to behead your own daughter. Don't tell me about those worthless pieces of human waste. Adultry, you get buried to your waist and publicly stoned, unless you are a women, it's a sin to show your breasts so they buried women to their shoulder's and then stone them. Barbarians, but you BK and the likes support their ways.

I would just assume sit on the sidelines and watch them kill themselves as they have for the past 6,000 years, only they can't seem to do it fast enough.
Your idiocy lil steverino is that you think I am my government. In some arenas my government has gone too far, in others not far enough.
I cry tears for no one, not even myself. Stick to what I type or you make bigger ass of yourself. Yet again a response without answering my questions.
134 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
Poppy
No need to get upset, we know perfectly fine why you (lot) went on your crusade.

We know it wasn't for democracy.
We know it wasn't for WMA's.
We know it wasn't for Al-Qaeda.

We know it was for oil.

And we know you lot don't give a damn...
135 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
It woild take more than a strolling la campora argentine to get e upset....going to 24A protest?
No answers to my questions....truth hurts.
136 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 08:19 pm Report abuse
135
Which one do you seek an answer for.
You asked many question that offers nothing but a cheap attempt of insulting from your part.
Like if I admit to being Argentinian.
Like if 2000 pesos a month makes you rich.

Please ask again, but try to keep it serious if you are expecting an equivalent answer.
137 Anbar (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
@ CarolaLSB

thanks for the post - it is good to hear from legitimate Argentines, especially those who actually live in Argentina and experience these issues first-hand.

Most of the “regular Argentines” on this site live outside of Argentina and have done so for many years, some have never lived there... and yet they would have us believe that they know more about Argentina than the people who actually live there.

Sadly posts like yours get swamped by the live-in trolls whos knowledge only comes from Google and have neither experience in Argentina or in any other part of the world.
138 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 09:36 pm Report abuse
Anbar.....Simon68, CarolaLSB and a few others are legit. When I go to Argentina.....the ones I encounter and the ones I know are nothing like these “displaced” Argentines. Especially this “stevie” one. They evade answering questions for so long by changing the topic that it is no longer worth responding. They fit in the kirchner regime.
139 surfer (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
I may have stumbled across La Campora's guide to trolling...

www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html

The evergreen favourite! Right here:

www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#digression

Stevie's specific area of speciality, I've got to say he owns this one:

www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#laziness
140 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
It's quite obvious they only gave sussie “Argument by Gibberish”, speaking of which, is she getting re-tooled or another lobotomy?
141 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
137, 138
Present your ideas in any South Amercan news paper and see if your theory holds...

;)
142 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 10:20 pm Report abuse
You know lil steverina, we use to think you were stupid. Now we know you're stupid. You should have stuck with having us think you were stupid, proving you are stupid was totally unnecessary.
If you are a gleaming example of Argentina's best and brightest........Argentina is far from reaching the bottom then.
143 Stevie (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
What? You thought that “English only” was pure coincidence?

;)
144 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
One day you will return to Argentina and all the graft, corruption and Kirchnerites will have been swept away. In the meantime.....stay in Europe.
145 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
115 Stevie (#)
I was mugged 15 times in 2012. My car was broken into 6 times.
I am lucky that my house was never broken into. But everyday, you (well, I, at least) hear about how the guy from the other block was murder, the girl from around the corner was raped, the shop 2 blocks away was looted. And this is neighbourhood gossip, not a piece of news given by Clarin, or La Nacion.
And most of the people I know are experiencing the same.
Anyway, we could argue all day long about who is right and who is wrong. But, at the end of the day, you have to look at all the people protesting (whether they are 200,000, or 2,000,000) and pay attention to their claims. If a protest this big happened in any other country, the gov. will take notice and DO SOMETHING, not just disregard and ignore the people protesting.

British_Kirchernist:
I have to disagree. I don't think CFK leads by persuasion at all. It's either you are with me or against me. And we all know what happens to those against her.
What happened after her stunt at Harvard was shameful and I am embarrassed to have her as my President, especially after the Once tragedy and how her administration handled it. I personally know one of the guys who questioned her at Harvard. He has a scholarship (the only way most Argentinian can afford Harvard) and his family was investigated by AFIP a week after CFK was at Harvard. It's that type of persecution that most object to.

I think that Argentina is a rich country in the sense that we have many, many natural resources and land to take advantage of. Unfortunately, we have (well, we vote) the same type of gov. over and over again. If we can get it right on election day, we could be a great country.
146 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 21st, 2013 - 11:48 pm Report abuse
CarolaLSB, I am sorry to hear of your tragedies. My wifes father was robbed at gun point 6 times in Recoleta. The last time he was beat with the handgun. He now carries a handgun for personal protection and he is a physician.
Kirchner uses the AFIP as her personal attack dogs. You all really have to stop the judicial reform and find a better way, like judiciary review and impeachment process for incompetent and corrupt judges. The mid term elections is the most important message to send to Kirchner in October and the rest of her cronies.
You like in Argentina....BK and Stevie does not and you can expect a dismissive rebuttal from them.
Good luck to you and your family. Keep the faith.....and keep up the pressure on the kirchner's and you government. Protesting and marches takes a while but it eventually works.
147 Stevie (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 12:12 am Report abuse
Carola
Sorry if I insist.
Crime is rampant in comparison to when? Compared to the 90's? The years of the state financed political violence, maybe?
And if it's as you lot say that CFK's government is all about handouts, who are all these “new” criminals? Surely those who benefits wouldn't commit more crime than before...
148 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 12:22 am Report abuse
In the past 5 years. If you were in Argentina in the past decade you yourself would know that.
149 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 03:41 am Report abuse
147 Stevie (#)

As Captain Poppy said, in the last 5 years, there was a huge increase in crime.
And I do not need to compare crime rates, because it's a moot point. Statistics are not useful when people live in fear.
And state-financed violence is alive and well, with La Campora, Vatayon Militante, and other associations like them.

Villas miserias are greater than ever and police officers won't go anywhere near them. Most of the petty crime, like the one I suffered, is committed by youngsters, who are not old enough to be given a handout or old enough to stand trial.
Anyway, it's pointless to argue with someone who does not even live here and does not see the day-to-day reality many Argentinians suffer.

And just to give you an example:
On Feb 18th of this year at around 6pm, I was standing in a line with many, many strangers near the Colon waiting for the bus. A gang of 5 youngsters beat and robbed an old, disabled lady who carried a purse and a nice watch and necklaces. Police were standing a mere block away and did nothing. People started yelling and screaming, but nobody chased them. Why? Because we live in fear, fear that someone is going to murder you, just to steal you your watch, fear that your house may be broken into, fear that you won't come home, fear that the police, who is supposed to protect you, does nothing and our judiciary is blind and deaf.

And just because someone is given a handout does not mean they are able to make meets end. In most cases, they are not. These handouts are given to just about anyone who is willing to show up and clap. Not to people who are in most need of them. Instead of giving handouts, they should focus in teaching people, give them a craft, something they can make a living of. But then, they would not have so many votes.
150 yaghan (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 03:51 am Report abuse
Sad thing about this it that it was the expected result. There was no logical reason to believe that CFK would be a good ruler of some sort, taking into account both hers and her husband's personal history and the way they acted in Santa Cruz Province. Many books described how they classified everyone: servant or enemy. But it is also terrifying to consider that opposing parties do not offer a viable alternative to Kircherism.
151 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:49 am Report abuse
Unless you vote out the crooks and replace them with almost any alternative, they will continue to act just as they have been - no change.
152 brit abroad (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 05:36 am Report abuse
Stevie is the full monkey ticket!

after reading through some of steveis other posts, it is interesting to note that he has a simple consistant theme and that is to disagree and agrue any side of any argument as long it is the opposite of “you lot”, as he likes to put it!

basically he doesnt know shite!
153 DanyBerger (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 09:24 am Report abuse
@ yankeeboy

“Yeah OK, the USA has most of the top universities in the world, one of the most creative and innovative societies, one of productive societies etc etc etc
but whatever you say Stevie
can't get one by you
retard”

And you are sure a full exponent of that skills I’m right?

Sorry mate but you look a as a complete ignorant without any creativity or innovative skills ate the moment.
So you have another joke?
154 agent999 (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 10:00 am Report abuse
@153 Dany
The best jokes here are your posts!
155 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 10:01 am Report abuse
CarolaLSB Just curious what province are you from? Most of my wife's family is from BA the city, outside the city, Cordoba and a few scattered about. There is another march on the 24th......yes?
156 Stevie (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 10:12 am Report abuse
Carola
Just of curiousity.
How is crime to this day in Argetina compared to the 90's?
Lower? Higher?
Because I'm sitting here with some statistics and they don't seem to paint the same picture you are presenting. I'll post them as soon as I get a proper response out of you. ;)

Tell you what, to make it easier for you, don't count homicides, or you'll be in deep water. ;)
157 agent999 (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 11:15 am Report abuse
@156
Carola is not talking about what was happening in the 90's.
So here you go again, you have no valid reply to what was posted, so you try to change the topic.
158 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 11:41 am Report abuse
Carola is talking pre asslips kirchner and current period. Besides, Argenitna stopped producing statistics over 5 years ago. Are they la campora stats they created......or Indec stats? lol.
159 DanyBerger (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
@Captain Poppy

Oh! the family of your wife is from Cordoba living in Recoleta how convenient just the area full infested with people from the countryside.

Oh! BA is so bad you I cannot have a cow in my apartment.

Ha ha ha.

Captain from what part of the countryside in Us Are you?

Ha ha
160 yankeeboy (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Another protest on the 24th.
My oh my where will it end

I think we can all guess...
161 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Yankee I read they want to march right up to congress when they vote to steal the judiciary.
162 ChrisR (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
If Dunny-Burger is to be believed (WHAT AM I SAYING?) there are three million firearms in civilian hands in BsAs. Surely they are not all Peronistas who have them.

I bet it would only take 5,000 armed citizens to overpower the Casa Rosada and overturn the government.

The policia and the ‘army’ would do nothing against so may though I suppose the Campora would try to stop it.

I think it will take blood in the streets of BsAs before anything is done to make things better in AR.
163 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:26 pm Report abuse
155 Captain Poppy (#)

I live in Almirante Brown, which is in the south of Gran Buenos Aires.

Stevie, as I said, statistcis are not useful. And statistics from gov. departments are not trustworthy.
Crime in the 90s was lower. I grew up in the 90s, we played outside, we could walk or bike anywhere, and you were safer than today. Today, you see no children playing, or biking, or even walking alone here in Almirante Brown. Crime was never higher than it is now here in my municipe.
Anyway, you don't even live here and you are parroting stuff you read or was fed to you.
You cannot argue with a citizen who experiences it every single day. I cannot argue with someone in the US for eg. about Obama. I don't live there and have no idea how people are living, what you read in the news is not always true, especially if you are reading state-run newspapers, which you are most likely.
164 Brazilian (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
I don't know why you Brits are so eager for her to fall. You'll probably hate the next president just as much...
165 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 05:06 pm Report abuse
CarolaLSB I was in Recoleta for 5 weeks in Jan/Feb. I was told the latest craze in crime is during food deliveries. They follow either the car of moped and when you answer the door, they rob you both at gunpoint.

I can only base my opinions on when I am there, and what my friends tell am and what they tll me increasingly gets worse. HAve you noticed a lot of Brits in Argentina Carola? When I was there I was amazed at how many Brits where vacationing there.

I am not a Brit Braziie, you progressive/commie SA's all think everyone is a brit.
166 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 06:56 pm Report abuse
165 Captain Poppy (#)

Yes, there are many Brits here, not just tourists but people who decided to stay. One of my friends is married to an Irish guy.

I think the reason most foreigners chose to come is because they can afford higher education here. Higher education is extremely cheap compared to most countries, especially with the currency as it is today.

There is a lot of tourism because of the euro-peso, or dollar-peso rate. It is cheap to come here, even if prices are high. Also, you don't need medical insure of any sort. You can just go to a public hospital and be admitted totally free of charge, which is something that some tourists value. It's usually quite expensive to get sick away from home.

Furthermore, Argentina has very beautiful landscapes, in the North, in Cuyo, in the South. We have ski resorts in some cities, vineyards in others, desert, glaciers, lakes. So, yeah, fortunately, tourism is quite good.
167 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 22nd, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
I can say that I have always enjoyed my visits. Thoguh I visit my wifes family, we do usually trek off somewhere for short periods of time. Though I can honestlky say that the buses and taxis need work.....lol Standing in a bus in Buenos Aires city is an excercise all by itself.
I always felt Argentina has many lanscapes simular to the USA. canyons, plains, mountain ranges, I only hope the leadership gets better before she turns it into Venezuela.

Regards to you and your family
168 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 12:22 am Report abuse
#133 “Cried for democracy in Iraq..........you're smoking what you sell. I wanted to wax Iraq in 92. You actually think I wanted my compatriots giving 1 ounce of blood for towelheads and sandsurfers democracy? Persians, Turks and Arabs deserve all they get piled on them. Until you've seen one of them grab a 3 year old in there arms and split their gullet like a spring chicken in order to safe their ass, or see a father behead their own daughter because she defied her father by seeing a boy he said no to, that's a great reason to behead your own daughter. Don't tell me about those worthless pieces of human waste. Adultry, you get buried to your waist and publicly stoned, unless you are a women, it's a sin to show your breasts so they buried women to their shoulder's and then stone them. Barbarians, but you BK and the likes support their ways.

I would just assume sit on the sidelines and watch them kill themselves as they have for the past 6,000 years, only they can't seem to do it fast enough.”

I don't even know where to start in reponding to this pile of sh*te. I think to flag it up is more than half the battle already won, just to show everyone what an utterly unpleasant guy you are; to the likes of Carola I say, remember this piece of racist garbage before riffing with the Captain on the fact you both happen to dislike Cristina. The idea that I support the sexist barbarism you say (wrongly, as it happens) is universal in the middle east is laughable; even if I'm completely wrong about her as a person, I could not support Cristina as a leader the way I do if I were some sort of binLadenist obscurantist. But even if the Arabs were as reactionary as you say, it doesn't justify your seemingly genocidal intent towards them!

#135 “It woild take more than a strolling la campora argentine to get e upset”

My advice, agree with Stevie that you were upset; if #133 is you on top form, thats a lot worse...

#164 Indeed, they seem to want a rightwinger...like Galtieri?!
169 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 12:53 am Report abuse
@168BK
“164 Indeed, THEY seem to want a rightwinger...like Galtieri?!”

Oops, BK!!

“They”?????

I think you slipped up there!

:-)
170 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 01:39 am Report abuse
168 British_Kirchnerist (#)

I don't even know anyone here, and I am not “riffing” with anyone. I was just talking to someone who visited Argentina and dislikes CFK, as I do.

I do not wish a coup d' etat, like many accuses us non-supporters of wanting. I just wish that CFK did something to stop corruption, crime and inflation, along with improving education and health. I have not seen any real, long-lasting improvement during her 1st and 2nd (so far) terms as President. Most of the measures and policies she and her administration pass are like a band-aid to a bleeding artery. Social exclusion is bigger than ever.
And her propaganda apparatus is huge, with Futbol Para Todos, 678, La Campora, Vatayon Militante, America, Canal 9, Diario Registrado, Pagina/12 and such.

And what I hate the most is the fact that she and her adm. have managed to turn the people one against the other. They preach hate and disunion, and it's a shame.

You cannot understand it, unless you lived here. Whether you are pro or antiK, or just like or dislike her gov, you are hated for your opinion. There is no debate, people just hate you because you support this or that.

I cannot respect someone (not talking about you, just generalizing) that likes (actually, it's more like fanaticism) her and always agrees with every measure and thinks we are doing hunky-dory and inflation, crime, poverty, unemployment, corruption are just big lies by bad, bad Clarin.

My aunt supports CFK. And we may not see eye to eye in this issue, but I respect her opinion, because she acknowledges that CFK missed the mark with several measures, and that there are issues that need serious work. Still, she choses CFK for the work she has done in some villas. She admits that our economy is in serious trouble, she does not denies the main issues that people protest again. That's why I respect her opinion. That's why I know she truly believes in CFK and it is not a minion paid to parrot opinions.
171 DanyBerger (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 07:05 am Report abuse
@CarolaLSB

You are simple amazing!
You are just parroting every single word from Clarin Miente, La Destrucción, Pelotudismo Para Bobos, etc

Let’s see an example:

America 2 TV has nothing to do with the govt. in any possible way because simple the shareholders are exactly in the opposite side of the political spectrum.

Here you have the proof of that: Daniel Vila bashing Cristina for the new media law.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tnXgN_-Io

America 2 belongs to the Vila-Manzano Group (Grupo uno)+ Francisco de Narvaez.
Vila and Manzano are ultra Menemistas.

De Narvaez also partnered in politics with PRO (Mauricio Macri) and later with Ricardo Alfonsin.

Manzano was minister of the home office (ministerio del interior) during Menem presidency and also later deputy form Mendoza. Vila and Manzano are from Mendoza and close friend of Cobos who was the man of the Group to bash Cristina during the “El Campo” conflict (Voto no positivo do you remember?).

Manzano was also the lobbyist of the multinational for the privatisation of stated owned companies in the 90, etc.

Now why Clarin Miente, La destruccion and Jorge la Grasa from “Pelotudismo Para Bobos” are selling this to people like you?

Because the 2 groups are in a fight for business share and America 2 see now a good opportunity to bash Clarin Miente showing how Clarin Miente Group and their operators invent news and political scandals just from thin air and lies.

Do you know whom owns the TV program 678, Duro de Domar, etc?
A former producer partner of Clarin Miente and America 2, they got a fight for money, etc and since then all his programs show how Clarin Group lies and make up news. Because he was working for them before and knows all tricks.

In fact his job in America 2 and Clarin Miente was to bash the government and supporters in any possible way.
Diego Gvirtz when was anti K for Clarin Miente Group.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LisbrMNDFoo

Durisimooooo!
172 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
#169 ““They”?????

I think you slipped up there!”

Not at all, by they I mean the right wing brit posters. As for me, one of the reasons I DON'T want a Galtieri type ever coming back in Argentina is my British heritage and patriotism =) If I did “slip up” by not explaining that in sufficient detail, it was because I was running out of characters at the end of a long post; so what do you think of the rest of the post, on Captain Poppy's “slipup” on race?

#170 I like the sound of your aunt =) And I think most Cristina supporters will be like her. After all, it would be odd to say that poverty is hunky dory, its existence a lie from Clarin, when Cristina's whole pitch is about the fact that she cares more about fighting it and ameliorating it than the rightwing oppossition, in a country where neoliberal collapse a decade ago caused it to skyrocket. Now it doesn't sound like either you hate your aunt, or that she hates you, so I think you should remember that before you hate other K supporters or assuming they hate all anti-Ks =)

#171 Thanks for that intelligent and fact heavy post Danny - and there was me just starting to like the sound of America!
173 surfer (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 09:41 am Report abuse
#171 or #172

Which newspapers/media do you read then?

Where is this 'True' news of which you speak??

It's very easy to say all these other newspapers are full of falsehoods/manipulation so where is this pure, truthful, untarnished news???

Links not opinions pls.
174 Stevie (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 10:03 am Report abuse
173
Easy, there is none.

Have a look at what history teaches you and compare that to what is being said in the news instead.

Sorry I can't provide you with a link to history, that one you'll have to deal with yourself...
175 surfer (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 10:20 am Report abuse
#174

Read nothing, learn nothing, aka the Sarah Palin approach.
176 Stevie (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 10:23 am Report abuse
Read everything, as much as you can.

But know what you are reading.
177 surfer (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
#176 Again this is so easy to say in a throw away, flippant manner, but trying to get you to read a couple of short news items before was like pulling teeth.

You are the classic troll with no knowledge or evidence, just opinion and attitude.

'We've all got something to add to this conversation, what you can add is silence'
178 Stevie (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 11:10 am Report abuse
surfer
For my daily news, I read la Republica, Espectador, BBC and Russia Today.

My opinions are sometimes in between, sometimes further to the left than those, I we could generalise ideologies.

To satisfy my ideological side, I have el Muerto que habla, Brecha at times and Guambia for a laugh.

I must admit I don't pay as much attention to the financial sector as I should, but as I don't speculate, the need is not as great as the obligation.

British internet sites are great for the footies, including South American. For that goal.com is where I go.

And then we have MercoPress. That one is for pure pleisure too, in between musts and musts.
179 DanyBerger (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
@surfer

Are you so naive? What true news are you talking about?

All media business prints or shows whatever they like according to its own editorial line or own interest.

While “Clarin Miente”, “La destruccion” and satellites, etc. where saying all the time that more of 2 million people marched against Cristina. Today in the same newspaper La Destruccion in other article says that were just more than a million as you can see in the link below.

And the figure will keep falling till they found a base to make a figure credible to their readers because none can believe that.

www.lanacion.com.ar//1575402-tocan-la-cacerola-para-ir-a-miami?utm_source=n_tis_nota1&utm_medium=titularS&utm_campaign=NLPol

“que el jueves pasado sumó más de un millón de personas en el Obelisco, la Plaza de Mayo, el conurbano y en varias ciudades del interior, y al que adhirieron todas las fuerzas opositoras con representación parlamentaria.”

The title of Mercopress here says 2 millions, so the people marching have increased 1 million just for crossing the River Plate to Uruguay.

The real news was that some people marched for political reason and the rest manipulated by the crappy media to protest against Cristina and none could count them.
180 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
@172BK

Do you yourself approve or condone the actions of these societies actions against women and repression based on sex?
181 yankeeboy (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
Looks like the SWISS are going to investigate the dirty Ks.
craaaaks
are beginning to show

Retirement party can't be too far off
182 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
#172 No, of course not. But they are not the only thing going on in the middle east. And even if they were it wouldn't merit a nuke. Btw the most anti-women regime in the region is Saudi Arabia, AMerica's best friend...
183 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
How can you say that does not jusify a nuke when that is my personal opinion not an official national stance and policy?
Getting back to reality of this thread, outrage from Lanata's show is gathering momentum, it's a shame they can't storm congress at tomorrow's protest. But now that they will own the judiciary, they will be protected from jail time unless it ultimately grows into a civial war, but that I see in Venezuela long before Argentina. The Argentine's are to accepting of being screwed, too many poor with less than liveable handouts (afterall ...12 pesos a day removes you from being in povety) and too few of those that care.
184 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
171 DanyBerger (#)

It's sad that you resort to bashing media that does not agree with your point of view.

Manzano is a clear supporter of CFK, as well as a Vila. They are what we call panqueques, they support whoever is in power while bashing other to make more money and shady deals.

Diego Gvirtz is one of CFK's star producer. He is behind 678 and Duro de Domar, two of the main tv shows in the gov. propaganda apparatus.

Whatever they said or did in the past is that, in the past. It's not their view today. You just have to look at Victor Hugo Morales. 3 years ago, he talked badly about CFK and her husband whenever he could. Today, he one of CFK's most rabid supporters.

Anyway, why Clarin lies and 678 says the truth? It's clear media is not objective in Argentina.

And I do not parrot what Clarin or La Nacion say. I wish they would criticize Macri more. I call it as I see it, and seen as I DO live in Argentina, whereas you don't, I think I am more capable than you to see what is going on in my own country.

Many like me don't criticize CFK for giving handouts, we criticize her gov. because is really corrupt, blind and deaf. It's a populist gov more concerned in gaining votes today by passing short-term (and short-sighted) policies than in building a stable economy, or educating people.

Many are outraged also because her cabinet is full with ill-prepared people who commit blunder after blunder. A minister cannot say that protesting citizens should shut the eff up and insert their pots in their behinds. Moreno said so live during an interview. Timerman, who is Jewish, signed the agreement with Iran to not prosecute the Iranians responsible for the AMIA (Jewish association) bombing. And these are just 2 examples of far too many blunders.
185 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 23rd, 2013 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
#183 “How can you say that does not jusify a nuke”

With great ease and moral clarity, like most people would =)

#184 “Whatever they said or did in the past is that, in the past. It's not their view today. You just have to look at Victor Hugo Morales. 3 years ago, he talked badly about CFK and her husband whenever he could. Today, he one of CFK's most rabid supporters”

A vision of your future self, god-willing =) On a more serious note, surely such ever shifting alliances point to a more complex picture than the one you painted of Cristina “governing by hate”??

”Timerman, who is Jewish, signed the agreement with Iran to not prosecute the Iranians responsible for the AMIA (Jewish association) bombing. And these are just 2 examples of far too many blunders“

Not heard about Moreno's outburst, which sounds passionate and vigorous though I'm surprised mercopress hasn't made a negative story out of it if true! But Timmerman's conduct is very far from a blunder, and that he is Jewish himself makes him the perfect minister to lead up this brave act of conflict resolution. Ever heard the phrase ”only Nixon could go to China”...
186 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 12:47 am Report abuse
Carola is a typical Argentine's POV BK. If you ever went there, you would know that.
187 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 12:53 am Report abuse
185 British_Kirchnerist (#)

The Moreno blunder was last year, after the first massive protest, which was 13S.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Timerman.

I really do feel she governs by hate and fear. They preach one thing, and do exactly the opposite.
I have never voted for someone that won lol, so I was never a supporter of CFK. I won't say who I voted for, but lets juts say I am not a Peronist. I actually did like Nestor K's govt. from 03 to 06. He passed good measures, but measures that were meant to be short-term and ended up in place for far too long.
I liked very few things about CFK's govt. The fact is that we Argentinian live in a fake economy (so to speak). It's part pesos, part US dollars. Inflation is very, very high and the govt. does not do anything to curve it. Public health and public education are in terrible state. In the Gran Buenos Aires, CFK and Scioli commit a HUGE blunder in 08 concerning the public hospitals that directly depend on the province (instead of being municipal). Supposedly they bought CAT scan machines for 10 hospital. They did not. They paraded one CAT scan machine from hospital to hospital and then, they took it back. We, the people who live in Almirante Brown, are very aware of this. Clarin did not report it. Neither did La Nacion. We know it because we saw it.

Another example of a blunder was when CFK said that only rich people get diabetes, because they can afford more food and they are couch-potatoes.

I do not think I will ever change my mind about CFK. I really do feel she will go down on the books as one of Argentina's worst Presidents.
188 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 01:03 am Report abuse
I am absolutely and genuinely shocked at the deceit!!!
189 MagnusMaster (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 01:52 am Report abuse
@188 My uncle once told me that during the Menem years fake hospitals were built. These hospitals looked like the real deal, but were actually completely hollow and only used for parades. The Argentinian government is nothing more than a propaganda outlet that steals taxpayer's money.
190 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 03:21 am Report abuse
189 MagnusMaster (#)

Yes, that's true. Unfortunately, it wasn't only Menem who did it. Many hospital and schools were/are just facades and the buildings are ruined. It's a shame that money was/is spent in propaganda and big inaguration acts instead of being spent in what's actually important.
191 Tim (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 04:38 am Report abuse
187 CarolaLSB (#) Hear hear Carola. Do you remember the opening of Resistencia airport? all the announcement screens etc.? and the moment that woman left everything was removed and taken on to another location.
192 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 10:33 am Report abuse
In the USA when people get so fed up and move to change things, they call it a “grassroots” movement.....from the people up. I really hope the people of Argentina can continue to gather steam to have a positive effect on today's lower house vote and the midterms. No country is without some corruption, but Argentina seems to take government corruption to a new level. I wish more of the average Argentine citizens can come here and speak to the supporters of Kirchner that live everywhere BUT Argentina.
Good luck today. BK should be writing back telling you that you all are wrong and that Christina is beautiful and brilliant, or he will fade away if too many Argentine's start posting anti Kirchner posts.
193 Ozgood (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 11:03 am Report abuse
CKK dispenses largesse to the poor who are sheep and will continue to vote for her. Here day is coming and she will eventually be deposed
194 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 11:36 am Report abuse
#187 Interesting that the CAT scanner scandal was Scioli, and I imagine he was far more to blame than Cristina, maybe another reason she says he's inept; and another reason that rightwinger shouldn't be President! As for the diabetes quote, it sounds like she said something sensible and true, that more rich people suffer from it for these reasons, and its been twisted into her saying only...

#189-191 Well of course, if true (and I have serious dobts!), thats not good, reminds me of the Potemkin villages built for Catherine the Great. Who was, nevertheless, brilliant and beautiful!
195 axel arg (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
THE WEAKNESS OF THE OPONENT PARTIES.
According to the interpretation that many journalists and politicians make, in relation to the last protests against c. f. k.'s govt., those people protested because they were worried about insecurity, corruption, inflation, and asked for an independence justice too.
If the protestors really cared about having more security, they wouldn't adress their demand to c. f. k. only, they should adress the same demands to the different governors too. In the case of capital federal, the protestors should have asked their intendant mauricio macri for more security, because according to our constitution, public security is a responsability of the governors.
On the other hand, if they really cared about fighting against corruption, they wouldn't criticise the corruption cases that involve c. f. k's govt. only, they should criticise also the corruption cases that involve maurcio macri's govt. However, when i see that the critics are adresssed to c. f. k. only, then i realize that most them don't have any genuine concern about those issues, they are just making a hypocrite manipulation, in order to criticise a govt. which doesn't concide with their ideological postures.
In reference to the claim for an independence justice, if they really cared about it, they would manifest that justice must be independent not just from the govt., but from the corporations too, however none of them said absolutly anything in relation to the legal protection that the clarin group could get, thanks to it's entaills with the most corporative sectors of justice, in order to not to comply with the new broadcast law, sanctioned in 2009.
I wasn't born yesterday in order to believe that the protestors were concerned about the issues i mentioned, actually their manifestations are acts of desperation, with the purpose of demanding the weak oponent politic parties to form an ample politic party, in order to confront against national govt. in 2015.
196 DanyBerger (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
@British K

In Argentina there are a lot of people easy to manipulate like Carola.
She confuse local govt. with national govt because the media say so.

I remember when I was living in Italy that many Italians have no Idea who was their president in fact I don't even remember now who was. Because most of the news in Italy were about Calcio or to criticise other countries like Britain. ha ha
So most people watched colpo grosso ha ha
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOCECXSLIY
197 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 24th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
194 British_Kirchnerist (#) and 196 DanyBerger (#)

CFK personally appear at the CAT Scan (fake) inaguration and said NATIONAL GOVT. was donating them to the province, I don't confuse squat.
I protested against CFK and against Scioli. I don't like Scioli any better than I like CFK. Both are inept thieves.

191 Tim (#)

I did not know about the Resistencia airport. It's an embarrassment. Unfortunately, we have seen it over and over again. Politicians are really shameless here.
198 DanyBerger (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
@Carola

Ah! I see you like it the cin cin from Le ragazze “the Tutti Frutti Girls”
Here the extended play www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvuFH1-AkcA
Lyrics translated in English below by (c) Dany Berger all rights reserved enjoy it.

Wow this was more fun than to post economy post ha ha

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199 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
Carola , I see that they stole the judiciary this morning. A bullet to her head is the only chance now.
200 kelperabout (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
Now we see why there is so much unrest in Argentina. eleven million estimated to be on the poverty line. These individuals are living on what equates to a dollar a day. In my money about 64 pence

How is this allowed to happen? Why have the people not been able to do something about it?.

The answer is simple. Control by a dictator who fills their heads with lies and they are made believe it is true. This is human right abuse at it's worst . yet CFK refuses to help them. On top of that she wants my home. I see no why because she wants to deny me my luxury life style because she is jealous.
She has been so involved with the Falkland Dispute she has totally ignored her own people.
201 Brazilian (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
By 2016 China might also become the world's largest economy.
202 MagnusMaster (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
Apparently the UCR made a pact with the Kirchnerists to make some changes to one of the laws passed by the government. They still voted against it, which is why the K revealed this dirty secret. This and the support of the Socialists to the K media law in 2009 (who actually voted for it) shows that there is no true opposition in Argentina. Too bad the people don´t realize it. The problem in Argentina is with the entire political elite, and it won´t be until all the current politicians die of old age that anything will get fixed. Even then, from all the Kirchnerist youth, I doubt the next generation will be any better than this one.
203 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
199 Captain Poppy (#)

I have to disagree. Violence is never the answer.
Unfortunately, the Congress is filled with inept and corrupt people who pass express bills on such important matters, while other bills of law have been freezed for years. I hope that the govt. will not be able to continue with this unconstitutional law, as under the Arg. law, the Constitution prevails over any law, and nothing can go against it.
204 ChrisR (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
203 CarolaLSB

I wish it were so about your constitution but would not TMBOA alter that also?
205 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
I see no way of the Argentine people getting there country back. The corruption is so pervasive. She has runaway powers without checks and balances.
206 Clyde15 (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
#185
“Whatever they said or did in the past is that, in the past. It's not their view today. You just have to look at Victor Hugo Morales. 3 years ago, he talked badly about CFK and her husband whenever he could. Today, he one of CFK's most rabid supporters”

Maybe La Campora paid him a visit and made him an offer he could not refuse !
207 CarolaLSB (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
204 ChrisR (#)

It would not be so easy for any President to alter the Constitution. But then again, this govt. has not been known for fair play.

I am hoping this reform of the judiciary will appealed, as it directly goes against many articles in the Const.

206 Clyde15 (#)

It has been known to happen. That why we call people like him panqueques. Every govt. has bought votes and support, some more scandalously than others.
208 MagnusMaster (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
@204 the votes from two thirds of Congress is required for a new Constitution. CFK doesn´t have those votes even with all her allies and they need a miracle to happen to win enough votes in October to get enough deputies and senators. CFK won´t get reelected, but she´ll look for someone from her own ranks who is inept enough to replace her. That is, if she doesn´t try anything funny. Who knows?
209 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:13 am Report abuse
#204 Yes and why not? The US Constitution has been ammended enough times. At least Argentina and the US have written constitutions, unlike some...
210 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:32 am Report abuse
17 times of which 75% of states need to ratify the federal suggest amendment. And it it never down in an overnight session. Only two with respect to power......22nd restricting terms and the 25th defining succession.
211 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
That doesn't make sense, if only 17 times, is that the 22nd and 25th of 17 then???
212 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
27 amendments in the USA Constitution.....look it up. Oh yeah, btw, the first ten, The Bill of Rights were ratified altogether. 10+17 =27 ammendments. Even wikipedia might have that correct.
Perhaps you are confusing general laws with our Consitution.
213 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 08:05 pm Report abuse
#212 Technically that makes 18, bill of rights plus other 17 =) And there's been talk of others, hasn't there; one of the few things I agree with Arnie on is that he should have the right to stand...
214 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
There is always talk but the process is meant to be difficult without a tre majority wanting it to be passed.
1-The bill is introduced in the house and sends it to the Senate
2-Senate aproves it and sends it to the President to sign
These two steps both takes 2/3s of each house to approve.
3-After the President signs it, the amendent is sent to the state legislative bodies (state are soverign bodies in the USA) to pass. 75% of the states must approve for the amendment to become ratified.
The believe is that a simple majority should not be a reasonable measure to pass an amendment.
I have no idea who or what arnie is
215 ChrisR (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 09:57 pm Report abuse
214 Captain Poppy

It's not The Terminator is it?

Who knows what is in BKs 'mind' if he doesn't himself!

LOLs
216 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 11:42 pm Report abuse
Yes Chris, the Terminator =)
217 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:33 am Report abuse
Geez ok Arnie....a right to stand what?! Can you finish a sentence? Fill in the blanks?
218 ChrisR (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
217 Captain Poppy

POTUS I suspect.

BK is under the delusion that any POTUS has real power!

But a lame duck like this one is stymied in what he can achieve.
219 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
That is what I was thinking. I will always feel the head of any state should be a natural citizen, but that's my opinion. The only heads of state with absolute power are in countries like Syria, Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, Democrtic Republic of Algeria, Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia and of course the Democratic Republic of Argentina.......all these democratic countries.
You are correct that a lame duck POTUS can be stymied, but conversely, he has not concerns for reelections in what he can try. One thing our constitution provides to POTUS is......Executive orders. That can be quite powerful and far reaching.
220 British_Kirchnerist (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
#218 Yes POTUS, we may be more on the same wavelength than we'd like to think =) Btw I don't think POTUS has absolute power, or even an apropriate amount of power vis a vis corporate interests for an elected official, but I certainly think he does indeed have ANY power...as Bush proved, to the dissadvantage of the world!
221 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:46 am Report abuse
You know BK, life can really suck when you start a fight with someone bigger than you, even when they only use a fraction of their capabilities. But it really wonlt matter much, the future is without reliance on middle eastern oil, we are handing the torch to China. Their addiction will far out weight the USA's as the USA's demand will be met domestically.
You never made you point about arnie......only about him standing. If you mean you think he should be allowed to run for president, you can always lobby a 27th amendment.

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