Thursday, April 25th 2013 - 06:07 UTC

‘Official poverty’ in Argentina 2.5 million people; private estimate: 11 million

The rate of poverty in Argentina dropped to 5.4% last year and indigence was down to 1.5%, according to data released by the controversial government’s stats office, Indec. A person ceases to be indigent in Argentina if he can feed on 6 Pesos daily, which based on the official rate is just over one dollar but in the parallel market 75 US cents.

Villa miserias or slums in the city of Buenos Aires

Indec affirms that (2012) poverty dropped 1.1 percentage points from 6.5% in 2011 and indigence 0.2 percentage points from 1.7% in the same year.

Last December the Basic Food Basket which includes a minimum ration of staples for a person to subsist was up 13.3% in the last twelve months, which means a couple with two children (6 to 8-year olds) needed 720 Pesos not to fall to indigence, argues Indec.

However that same family group needed 1.614 Pesos to purchase the Total Basic Basket, which besides food includes transport and some clothing.

However the Social Debt Observatory from the Argentine Catholic University (UCA) disagrees with the methodology and the number of poor people in the country which it estimates at 11 million (out of a population of 40 million), while for Indec the number is 2.2 million. In other words the official estimate from Indec is five times less than that from the independent UCA.

Last March UCA presented its report showing a similar stats tendency both for government and private sector referred to the social situation in Argentina in the last eight months.

For the UCA Observatory, 2012 ended with a poverty rate of 26.9%, even when Indec insisted with 5.4%. Similarly with indigence, the difference is 5.5% and 0.8%.

The difference emerges from the elements used to calculate the social variable, which are basically income and prices. In this last element Indec refers to the official inflation rate which is less than half the so called Congressional index, an average of private agencies exposed to fines if they don’t use the government’s methodology.
 

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1 Britworker (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 06:20 am Report abuse
Lovely, will they be marketing this pic for the cruise liners? Kirchner is the Mugabe of South America.
2 Gordo1 (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 07:37 am Report abuse
I wonder what La Cámpora troll “número uno”, Marcos Alejandro, has to say about this? Indeed, perhaps all the trolls will fall silent over this issue or claim the report is false.
3 MrFlagpole (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 08:48 am Report abuse
Argentine government tells lies - shocker.
4 Anglotino (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:05 am Report abuse
Who will shoot the messenger first?
5 Faz (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:28 am Report abuse
No wonder Marcos prefers Big Issue distribution in the UK to living in a villa!

There are mistruths fibs lies and.... Argentina!
6 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:28 am Report abuse
The villas are an inherited problem, it's not like the suddenly appeared after CFK took office.

Those people are the very same ones you lot accuse of taking handouts and being unemployable.

The hypocrisy is never ending.

Stop acting as if you cared a bit for Argentinas poor ones, you don't bloody care about your own ones and still you try to use it to fit your arguments.
7 Britworker (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:39 am Report abuse
@6
I think it just astonishment that you have a president that prefers to devote most of her time trying to acquire someone else's home, when she clearly cannot look after her own home.
Mind you, when you look at beautiful windswept beauty of the Falkland Islands and their safe well constructed homes in comparison to this dirty festering sweat pit, I can see why she has such envy.
8 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 10:11 am Report abuse
Britworker I don't know if you've ever seen those villas, they are amazing that they are still standing. When you come in BA from the airport, the highway drives right past them. Cider blocks piled three stories high, most only have three sides to each floor. Some actually have pools on the top floor!!! The life of Riley. He is the real scary part. They themselves just “tap” into the powerlines for electricity, when wires are hanging everywhere! The places are a life hazard to everyone living there. Nothing like seeing a barefoot 7 year old girl on 9 de Julio Ave by the Oblisk begging at the lights on an 14 lane avenue because momma sends them out there. BUT......those are the Victory Front's votes.
steverina's comeback to everything is always, “don't act like you care” is getting old.
9 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
Poppy
It's your hypocrisy that is getting old. When talking about Argentina, you use the poor as an example for the mistakes of the governors.
When talking ieologies, you take the same poor ones and call them unemployable and receivers of handouts.

So, Argentina should do something about her poor population, but not help them economically, as they would be taking handouts. Nor can they employ them, them bieng unemployable.

You are just being silly and using arguments as they fit you.
10 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 10:27 am Report abuse
Your really need to elaborate on your statement. Tell me anything I said in #8 is untrue?
I fail to see an hypocracy?

You will have to wait for my rebuttal as I am leaving for my office.
11 warteiner (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 10:35 am Report abuse
LOOOOL, that picture is not from Buenos Aires.

We are seeing again Mercos*it and his pathetic propaganda.
12 Faz (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:13 am Report abuse
Villa Lugano, full of lady boys who venture out each night as Cartoneros to scrape a living. 6 Pesos a day is pretty average. Thats less than $1 a day, just about the same as the poorer African and Asian hellholes. And, this is what is on offer for the Falklands? Didn't enjoy my time there, grateful to get out..
13 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:15 am Report abuse
Faz
“Didn't enjoy my time there, grateful to get out..”

You mean the ladyboys?
14 Optimus_Princeps (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:17 am Report abuse
The ones that get the biggest shaft are the children in these communities. All the welfare is being given to lazy adults that can vote. If the kids should end up being orphans, which happens, the non-profit organizations receive minimal funding from the government that usually doesn't even keep the lights on.

Even then, some of these charity organizations receive some private funding, but still manage to squeeze out as much as they can for themselves, and under-invest in the kids. These realities don't end up in the news, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface. You have to see it for yourself.
15 Pirate Love (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:25 am Report abuse
2 min slum hunt on Google earth....over B.A
zona portuaria
manuel estevez
lavarden (look south)

just a fraction of slums that are growing in poverty stricken B.A and argentina as a hole, at least 20-30 various sized slums in B.A alone at quick glance.

Yet INDEC and many trolls will deny the severity of Argentinas suffering.
How much more of their government lies can these poor argentine cold, hungry and powerless people take????

Mumbai Aires.........has a nice ring to it!!!
16 axel arg (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:28 am Report abuse
I don't have the necesary academic knowledge in order to affirm wether indec or private statistics lie or tell the truth about the social situation in argentina, in fact, i don't think that many of the people who often post their comments here, and who enjoy insulting argentina, or predicting future economic and social disasters have the neceserary knowledge either.
Although the 26% published by uca were true, what is omited in this report, as it isually happens, every time is published a report about poverty in argentina, is that in 2003 when nestor kirchner took office, there was a 53% of poor people, so, it means that despite all the serious problems that we still have, the social situation of the country could improve so much.
It's necesary to indicate that in 2003, ther was not any suspition of manipulaton of statistics by indec, suspitions started in 2007.
17 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:30 am Report abuse
Pirate Love
Whom are you trying to convince that those placed arrived with CFK?
Whom are you trying to convince that you care of the poor people when you call them receivers of handouts and unemployable. Even in your own country.

You lot complain on the problems, you lot complain on the solutions.

Tell you whatm if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Bombing civilians in the Middle East may help on the poverty statistics, but I'm not sure I agree with you lot...
18 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:35 am Report abuse
When you consider a peasant Chinese farmer makeing U$1/day as rich you know you are on the right track!
When I moved to BA the villas near Retiro had 2 stories now they have 4!
That is progress
Too bad they still have raw sewage running in the streets
But hey you can't have everything now can you?
19 Pirate Love (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:40 am Report abuse
not quite sure how bombing middle east links with Argentinas poor being brushed under the carpet by their governement run puppet INDEC, but if it works for you then go with it, ill stick to the facts, do you deny the growing poverty in Argentina and the growth in slums???
and i would of thought the solution to any problem is transparency, something argentinas government run and hide from behind INDEC.
as for handouts and unemployent all countries have that problem and its up the their governments to help them regardless, or the alternative is poverty, starvation and death.......the Kirchner model???
20 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:43 am Report abuse
Pirate Love
I have no knowledge of any growth of the villas in Argentina, and neither do you.

You are just exercising some democratic parroting. Feel free.
21 Pirate Love (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
@20 give it your best guess....poverty sky rocketing, where do you think they will go??? The ritz???

apparently their is nearly 650 “precarious neighbourhoods”(slums) in B.A and surrounding B.A suburbs, thats a lot of cold,hungry mouths to feed, but through lack of transparancy INDEC/ARGENTINE GOVERNMENT have airbrushed them out of existence. Hows that for democracy??

so you were saying something about bombing middle east....carry on!
22 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Ahhh Yankee but they have collapsable pools on the 4th floor, thus they are penthouse suites!
23 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
Stevie, Anyone who has come from the Zone Norte into BA on the hwy can see how HUGE absolutely HUGE the villa around Retiro has become. They used to go for 5-6 blocks now they go 20-30! All along the train tracks and only feet away from them almost into THE NEXT STATION!
It is scandalous
24 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
21
“Poverty skyrocketing”

Again, some more democratic parroting.

I'm not sure if I believe the private numbers.
I'm not sure if I believe Indec's numbers.
But I'm quite sure I don't believe yours.

Stop bombing the poor in the midle east before presenting yourselves as the Knights of Justice.
25 ElaineB (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
Stevie, have you actually been to Buenos Aires?
26 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
25
Indeed, plenty of times.
Also prior to 2002. The villas where there back in those days as well.
27 Condorito (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
Stevie
“The villas are an inherited problem”

Kudos, at least you recognise they exist.
28 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
Oh for gosh sakes another one who hasn't been to SA since the 70s!

Yes the BA slums were there they just didn't have est 3MM people living in them!
29 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
Yankee.....and of course that villa you can see coming from the north is right near that highway that goes to nowhere.......lol, at least the ramps of that highway to nowhere.
30 Pirate Love (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
@24 you may be shocked to know but i havent bombed anybody so you are barking up the wrong tree with that.
i dont expect you to believe facts, you think im a bomber, the only carpet bombing i do is when i go for a dump after a curry.
if you have a axe to grind over bombing in the middle east then i suggest you go there and try and catch as many of these bombs before they land.
just a thought!

back to the slums.......
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_miseria

640 who would have guessed eh? and as poverty grows so will the slums....

SELF-DETERMINATION........Endorsed by the “Knights of justice”
31 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
yanqui
3M people in the villas?

Another parrot exercising his democratic right to put words together in a sentence...

Poverty and indigence.

Two different things.

Both have been lowered all across Latin America.

Now, a couple of Brit and yanqui weirdos are trying to convince.... eachother, that this isn't the fact for Argentina.

Have YOU lot ever been to Argentina?

Yes, I know, you were there last weekend...

Parrots.
32 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
29. Yeah that ramp has been like that for 20 yrs. Considering the $ came from IDB so I doubt anyone living will ever seen it completed.

The Rgs are using the flood victims to try to get $ out of WB to fix the pumps etc in La Plata.
Whine Whine Cry Beg SOP
I wonder if you can guilt the WB into releasing the funds
I wonder
33 Tobers (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
@Stevie

Maybe if the Argentine 'government' spent as much time and effort on building a way out for these people in the slums instead of its obsession with 'democratising' the judicial and media systems and its expansionist FI agenda, running away from the 'vulture funds', fiddling with economic figures, scaring off foreign investment and generally being irresponsible blaming everyone else for its problems etc etc then in more than a decade of Kirchnerism real changes would have been seen. Argentina is one of the luckiest countries in the world for resources and opportunity. Whose fault is it that millions of Argentines live in unsafe cramped houses with scrap sheet metal roofs in dangerous, depressing barrios? At the very least youd have to say K-ism has failed to reduce the problem whilst unabashedly crowing on about the wonders of 'The Model'. Many of us here have seen the problem with our own eyes.
34 Britworker (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:43 pm Report abuse
@31
Odly enough, when I'm looking for a holiday I generally want to visit somewhere I will be safe. Buenos Aires is unlikely to ever be at the top of my list.
35 Pirate Love (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
@34 B.A is somewhere i would send my mother inlaw....
36 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UeetJJNAeDk#!

Stevie, Since you have not seen this since the 70s a lot has changed, well not the misery and hopelessness but the size has...
37 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
33
I can only compare CFK with the alternative and their history.
You are never going to make me believe that ANY South American nation was better off pre-2002 than today.
I can SEE the improvement.

34
Your xenophobia has little to do with Argentina.
38 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
Looks like it is official....asslips kirchner now control the judicairy. Can you independent minded thinks call to mind the countries that the head of state controls the judiciary?
SO now the judges will be politicians, all decisions will be based on public opinion polls and when is the next election.
39 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
Stevie, You only have Arg stats to back up what you are saying. Everyone knows that they distort the truth and are a propaganda machine for CFK.
I've actually been there and with my own eyes have seen things are WORSE MUCH MUCH WORSE than they were pre-crash.

I think it is sad you are trying to defend a regime that has destroyed the lives of 10s of Millions of people and stolen 2-3 generations of wealth.
40 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
yanqui
Argentinas population in the 70's were some 25M.
Today it's about 40M.
That's an increase of 37.5% or 67% more people today than back in the 70's, all depending of how you want to play with statistics.
The villas have also increased in size, but in percentages, they have decreased.
There are not 67% more people living in the villas today, than there were in the 70's. In BA, that would mean 3M times 1.67, which would give 5M people.

Hence, poverty had decreased, even if the actual numbers are larger today.
It also means there are much more people eating every day than there was in the 70's. And if you count those in numbers, like you do with the villas, your argument fails too.
41 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:28 pm Report abuse
Um, I think you are leaving out the vast majority of Missions, how about some of the provinces? There is MASS poverty in Salta, Jujuy, Missiones, etc yet INDEC thinks there is NONE.
I don't know about the 70s, I didn't even know Argentina existed then. I do knwo when I moved there about a decade ago the slums were much much smaller, there were less beggars in the streets, less homeless, less kids juggling, less garbage piled up, less sidewalks broken, less crime I CAN SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES!

The K regime and its voodoo economics has failed miserably. Only a fool thinks differently.
42 Condorito (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
“The villas have also increased in size, but in percentages, they have decreased.”

That's a measure of success?
Not to worry, they don't want what you want. They want life!
43 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
By the way, those 3M are grabbed from the thin air, just like your arguments.
What is it with you and Argentina? Is your own country so miserable that you desperately want to drag Argentina with you?
If you are so rich and happy, why don't you just leave Argentina alone? You guys are friends with the Saudi's, if you want to improve somebody elses lives, have a go there.
44 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
“The villas have also increased in size, but in percentages, they have decreased.”

Except that also is opinion not fact. Since even police are afraid to go in there is no way a census has been done to confirm anything.
You can see by the number of blocks how much it has expanded plus going up at least another 2-3 stories. Psst that's triple the size in the same space.
To try to say oh it is not so bad is shameful.
45 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
A bigger place to live doesn't necessarily mean more people living there.
Just look at you, you share all that space with your dog...

Condorito
You guys have villas too, as Brazil has favelas, as we have cantegriles.
I think you call them callampas.
46 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
Stevie you are wasting your time. These racist baboons have no interest in facts. Just troll them with some truth about their pathetic countries, so beloved around the world that they are being bombed every week and half the world wants to kill them to instill some justice in the world for the crimes they commit.
47 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
You think the density of people has decreased as the slums have expanded vertically and horizontally, filled with what large back yards and tennis courts? Di dthey add a master suite on teh top? A formal dining room perhaps?
Sewage running in the streets but a nice green back yard
BAhahahahaha
Do you get dumber every day?
48 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:09 pm Report abuse
Urban sprawl Yankee......lol. With 6 pesos a day they invest all that excess in the homes. I told you.....pools on the 4th floors......only too much water and the structure collapses under the weight of the water.
I was reading last week the the new communities are the reason for the floods...too many and no drainage system. SO they are blaming those that built homes. Have they ever heard of zoning boards and planning comittees? Will they EVER accept responsibility for their shortsightedness and failures!! geez that government is stupid.
49 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

THE FIRST PICTURE IS NOT EVEN BUENOS AIRES!

SINCE WHEN ARE THERE HILLS THERE?

That is beyond despicable and ridiculous mercopress. If you were even a half-decent outfit I would report you for defamation and libel, but it's not even worth the time.

Nice picture of Bogota, or Caracas... or whatever that picture is from.

What a bunch of complete and arrant losers.
50 gabol67 (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
I think “open immigration ” is the issue here. There are probably millions of Peruvian, Bolivians, Uruguayans and Brazilians who came to Argentina for the better and now find themselves homeless and poor. Those same immigrants now have DNI's and are probably the ones that voted for CFk along with other stupid humble folks. What I'm tying to say is that most of the poor folks are immigrants. And no one sees that, but me.
51 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
It says it all when Mercopress has to completely falsify information with the picture of the wrong city in order to make their headline believable.

Another way you can tell it isn't Buenos Aires is the vegetation: way to “chlorophylic” to be mid-latitude decidious, seasonal folliage. Those trees are equatorial or tropical, nothing like the trees in Buenos Aires.

What a glowing FAIL.
52 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
51. And the 2nd photograph? Looks like BA to me.

The slum is alienated from the rest of Buenos Aires not only culturally, but economically. Only 65 percent of the homes have running water, which is usually provided by jerry-rigged connections of doubtful hygienic quality, according to Fernández Castro. Informal sewers feed into the rainwater runoff system, flooding areas with contaminated water after heavy rain. Population density reaches 33,000 people per square mile, or more than five times that of the formal city.
www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/09/15/the_permanent_slum?page=0,2
53 Condorito (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:39 pm Report abuse
Stevie
“You guys have villas too, as Brazil has favelas, as we have cantegriles.
I think you call them callampas.”

Yes we do, but they are smaller and fewer than in 1972, 1982, 1992, 2002 (in absolute terms).

Toby,
“It says it all when Mercopress has to completely falsify information” - I am sure it is a mistake rather than a plot. Kind of irrelevant too.
54 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
HAHAHAHA... yankeeboy's journalistic philosophy “so at least they got 50% of the facts right”

hahahahahahaha.
55 Condorito (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
If was one of the 11 million I wouldn't be overly concerned about photos of my slum.
56 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
A mistake... I love how Condorito is trying to lenify the damage of an evident and quite weak attempt at distortion. And 11 million people do not live in villas, you are an authentic liar. No wonder you don't see anything wrong with what Mercopress tried to do with that first picture (they coudn't find such a “panoramic” picture of slums in BA, because there aren't any slums that are so broad... so they figure they just paste one from another city... heck who cares right?).

I wonder how you can speak of slums. You think I didn't see coverage of the chilean earthquake? All the myths about how chile has no villas and the poor there live oh so well went out the window when they went into the neighborhoods of Talcahuano, concepcion, etc.
57 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
buenosaires2012.jimdo.com/slums/slum-aerials/

www.flickr.com/photos/50493300@N05/7063871799/sizes/l/in/photostream/

The areas look pretty big to me but I have actually seen them just not from this angle.
58 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
To make up for MPO piture error.....Villa 31........beautiful by pass on the way back for the regional airport.

www.google.com/search?q=villa+31&safe=active&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=y0Z5UeruPMLM0AH96IBI&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=983&bih=544
59 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
www.clarin.com/politica/MAL-MOMENTO-Lorenzino-responder-pregunta_3_907739219.html

Oh that greasy mullet is not helping to keep hs brain functioning.

Sir what about inflation...Er I gotta go
I hope everyone can understand the video it is hilarious.
60 Faz (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
Mendoza as are the worst. You need an armed escort, they will steal the shirt off your back.
61 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
Behind these depressing poverty numbers is really human misery.

In the news today:
Key witness in the “Candela Case” murdered:

www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/4/25/murio-quemado-testigo-clave-caso-candela-710479.asp

A family in barrio “Nestor Kirchner” attacks another family, beating them up including their 4 young girls, before pouring petrol on the girls and setting fire to them.

www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/4/25/familia-ataca-otra-mientras-dormia-prende-fuego-ninas-710527.asp

And in my once idyllic Mendoza, the crime wave continues with an all too familiar misogynistic bent:

The body of a 25-year old woman is found – arms cut off and face mutilated.

www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2013/4/25/hallan-mujer-muerta-mutilada-favorita-710477.asp

Horrible, truly horrible.
62 DanyBerger (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Ah! the guys want to see shantytowns eh!

What about US with 60m poor and their shanty towns?
I have also from UK slums and people easting rats and picking rubbish from.

Miami Shantytown
miami.metblogs.com/2007/01/09/in-a-shanty-town-outside-of-downtown-miami/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UBl68icjw&feature=player_embedded#at=27

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnOOo6tRs8

shantytowns Ontario
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnVTqJjV5Uc

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOvXs-Fk72s

Sacramento california

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1owwvwi6t30

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndanGXV_uYU

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxKdDinkKk

New jersey
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxDnlvbLr0Q

Poverty in rural areas USA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutshaFS3lk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8RIFtrXMAk
63 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:54 pm Report abuse
utube......my lord. That's like using crayons with the expectations of literary greatness........lol
64 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
Cap, I've never seen a slum in the USA..never in my life. Have you?
65 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
Well honestly, I am NYC born and raised......so I have to say yes, However, I have never seen a ram shackled, shoddy salpped to gether place like villa 31 and any of the others. We have poor and poverty in our country and I would take being in poverty in the USA over poor or working poor then in Argentina. Though I have to say that using utube to make an argument is up the with constitutions written on pesos like in Argentina. The things to trolls that live in Euope, yet LOVE Argentina do not understand that our definition of poverty is far from theirs. Theirs is absolute poverty. Of course they believe little, being they have absolutely faith in the UN, considering they always are blowing the UN ou=t their ass about the Falklands, they should read up the the UN's list of poverty.

There is an old SA maxin......yes, he steals, be he does good too......lol. Interesting article. I like Nielson

www.buenosairesherald.com/article/129559/a-brechtian-solution
66 pgerman (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
@62 DanyBerger

What are you doing in front of your computer...go..run for dollars to protect your savings.

My dear friends, CFK economic plan is so successful that in the BCRA the dollars disappeared and his quotation exploded .. yesterday the rate was AR$ 8.94 per dollar and noow (at this time) it is AR$ 9.12. The evolution of the Argentine peso is the best example of Argentine “success”.

DBerger, don't forget that theory tells than the collapse of the Argentine peso is not related with poverty within the country..

No matter the reality in front of their eyes. Nazis such as DBerger or El Think will keep on forecasting the collapse of USA, Europe, the dollar and the pound...

Islanders .. do you want to be part of Argentina? It is really fun to be ruled by CFK...
67 Yuleno (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy and poppy still talking like they know Argentina better than others!
Do they know Detroit?
68 pgerman (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
Yuleno..what about you? follow DBerger to the exchange office and buy dollars, british pounds, Euros..chilean pesos..or whatever you can buy..soles peruanos...etc. Argentine peso is collapsing.

Travel to Colonia to use the ATM to get dollars !!!

I have just talked over the phone with my familiy. The country is economically collapsing and the responsible of the Economy Minister (a lawyer..) told the press “I want to get out of here !!”.
69 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
Yul, I lived in Detroit, the suburbs of beautiful! The city has been run by Progressives since the 1960, progressives are like Peronists. They've ruined what was once a beautiful prosperous city. All the rich people left and there wasn't anyone left to tax.
It is the shining example of why that belief system is a total failure.
Go 9 miles from the center of Detroit in any direction and you are in another political jurisdiction that is lovely.
Socialism is evil.
70 pgerman (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
@yankeeboy

Peronists are not socialists.....they are rightist, catholic and conservative but populist. It's in peronist genes that came from its origins. Peron, Franco, Mussolini, Pinochet...nice people...with a nice present !!!
71 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
PG, looks like there is some anxiety in that huge decrease in the Peso that last couple of days.
I saw an article that said BCRA is not going to waste any more U$ trying to support it.
When do you think the general population will start to panic?
72 pgerman (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
@yankeeboy

Regular people, I mean those who live from their job, or run a bussiness, have already started to panic. I talked over the phone with my brother half an hour ago and he is extremenly worried.
He runs a small familiy bussiness and he is in trouble to pay the salaries of the employees and the invoices of the suppliers. Not to mention the taxes and services.

It's quite an explosive situation. The fact is that the BCRA has not dollar to invest in slow down the increase of the value of the dollar. It's quite a situation.

It's sad for me to see how honest people will to have to face another crisis.

DBerger, have you been going deep into your theory that the monetary base can be increased to the GDP? I would love to read it.
73 britanico (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:20 pm Report abuse
'shantytowns Ontario'

WTF? Ontario is a province of Canada. There are a few towns and villages in the US called Ontario, but none are tent cities.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_(disambiguation)
74 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
Yulena, welcome back bk. BTW where did I say there is no poverty in the USA?
#73 NA is NA to the trolls.
75 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
@61

You unmitigated piece of croc turd... only one of those crimes occured in Mendoza province.

See, unlike in your miserable country, our newspaper's police beat covers the crimes all over the country. In your putrid society there are so many crimes that you don't even have the space for your own state, let alone the country. So your papers only report the crimes within your city. PATHETIC attempt again...
76 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
Yankee I see what you mean about these trolls debating themselves with different IDs. It's beyond childish. They must think they are clever. I will admit when it comes to stupidity, their experience puts them in first place
77 pgerman (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
A friend of mine has just sent me an e-mail with an up-dated quotation: AR$ 9.25 per dollar in Florida Street.....
78 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
Captain Pooper the Philosopher Inspector found dead

AP - (hacked tweet) - SOMEWHERE IN THE GHETTO - Captain Pooper, a regular of the pseudo-news website Mercopress, an outfit whose goal is the destruction, partition, or ruin of the country of Argentina, was found dead early thursday morning. His ematiated body was located in the “Argentina” section of the website.

According to the autopsy, he died of malnutrition. Captain Pooper had stated he would quit his day job to become a philosopher and to bring out those who used multiple ID's in the website. Unfortunately for him, he was miserable at both jobs thus went unpaid for months.

He never realized that John Troll the 3rd always uses one nick, respects the rules of the forum, and that it was members of his own faction of argie-haters who created countless clones of “Truth Telling Troll”, “Tobias”, “Nostrolldamus the 13th”, ”John III (Pope)“, ”Arifu“, ”George Tsoukalos”, etc, etc. As they say, imitation is the ultimate form of flattery. Multiple imitators must thus be the most omnipotent form.

RIP.
79 Anbar (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
So, Again I dont ahve time to read all the posts but...let me guess:

Stevie is posting which means “Its all euro lies anyway and neo-communism or anarchy is the only way forward!”.

Axel-Arg is posting which means ”Its all euro lies anyway and if i talk long enough you might get so bored you will accept anything I say as fact even though i just made most of it up (but said in a much nicer way)”

pgerman is posting which (usually) means “Heres the truth, ignore the trolls”

DunyBerger posted which means “If i slag off another country it makes my country better and all the problems go away magically!!”

John troll “wahtever” posted meaning “You're all scum-sucking liars and i didnt even read the article!”

anything of note other than that usual outcome...?
80 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
77. Rut Ro
When it runs it is hard to stop
I guess we will see AFIP out in force to try to strong arm the sellers
81 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
@79

That was the ULTIMATE self-projection. Congratulations. You are the winner of the 2013 Holographic Innovations award, for transmitting a hologram of your brain through the internet.

Unfortunately you will have to return it, because they have just found out that your “projection” isn't exactly what they have in mind when rewarding 'new talent'.
82 pgerman (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
Ambar ... the Argentine peso is dying .. It lived 13 years.
Please, we need a little respect from your side !!! ...It's funeral is being held. What's the price of the Falkland pound is U$D?
83 yankeeboy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
82. PG it isn't time to bring back the Nuevo Austral, I would bet the Peso stays around at least until it reaches 10,000/1 like that one did.
You can only fit so many zeros on a note
84 Anbar (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
@81 ah its nice to know was spot-on! ;-)
85 pgerman (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
I'm relax...DBerger wrote that “Argentina is not in crisis” at all !!.
TG..I told taht to my relatives.
86 Think (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

”A person ceases to be indigent in Argentina if he can feed on 6 pesos daily”; correct.........

”A person ceases to be indigent in the USA if he can feed on 1,50 dollars daily”; correct……….

”A person ceases to be indigent in Canada if he can feed on 1,75 dollars daily”; correct……….

”A person ceases to be indigent in Australia if he can feed on 2.00 dollars daily”; correct……….

”A person ceases to be indigent in the UK if he can feed on 1.00 pound daily”; correct……….

Inform yourself, Anglo Turnips…….join the challenge...:
www.livebelowtheline.com/us
www.livebelowtheline.com/ca
www.livebelowtheline.com.au/
www.livebelowtheline.com/uk
87 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 07:49 pm Report abuse
Who the hell said in the USA you cease to be indigent if you can feed on $1.50 a day?

Here are the Federal guidelines for poverty levels based on family size. Each state usually makes their own numbers and are utypically higher than the feds.

www.familiesusa.org/resources/tools-for-advocates/guides/federal-poverty-guidelines.html
88 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
87
Indigence is not the same as poverty.

Just saying...
89 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
We call indigent homeless. If someone posting is making a case about indigent, that providing a link to live below the poverty line, now you are calling it's different.....fine, but compare apples to apples.
I am really not sure we make a distinction between poor, poorer and the poorest.
90 Stevie (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
89
No, Think was talking about indigence, you are talking about poverty.

Indigence is also called “extreme poverty”, which is how they call it in Think's post.
91 Yuleno (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy-same drivel as usual.you have an excuse and an explanation and you think that's good enough.
Poppy-same drivel as usual.You either already said it but you don't remember when or you never said it and you don't remember when.
Keep up the nonsense you post.It gets predictable and thereby boring and useless.
I know you don't think so but that's expected also
92 cornelius (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
Socialism is a great system to create misery it competes with the church both are good creator of misery the Catholic Church hates communist and socialist because they take all their clients.
93 Anglotino (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
@86

PMSL it seems the people are very upset by anyone measuring poverty in Argentina.

Some people THINK living on $2 a day in Australia makes you “indigent”. This wasn't a word I'd ever heard until I came across articles on Argentina.

But for the benefit if those that can't THINK, my government will pay you $497 a fortnight if you don't work. Plus up to $90 a fortnight rent assistance. Plus cheap public transport. Almost free prescriptions. Free doctors.

Though supposedly 20% of Aussies live in poverty. Wait until you see the definition though. LOL

Haha thanks for the links fool.... I mean Think.
94 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:26 pm Report abuse
SA has a vast amount of terms they wish to use for how their citizens. Indigent, poor, poverty. 35% for Argentines.
95 Think (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
Certain Ozzies are not only Turnips....... but also ignorant Turnips…..

Some have never heard the world “indigence“ before.....

Even when 35% of the population from Ozzie ex-Colony Papua Niugini, some 150 km to the north of Oz, live in......... ”indigence”.

Ignorant turnips certain Ozzies are…..
96 pgerman (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
I'm relaxed...Mr. DBerger wrote that “Argentina is not in crisis” at all !!.
TG..I told that to my relatives who still libe in Argentina.
97 Anbar (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
“”“Inform yourself, Anglo Turnips…….join the challenge...:”“”

lool

I love things like this: somebody goes “out onto the net” finds a single website or blog that supports “their current theory” and then sits back claiming

“ALL IS PROVEN!”

Its stupidity at it most eloquent.
98 andy65 (#) Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
@ Think, Am I right in saying Turnips are a rare luxury in Argentina these days?????
99 Anglotino (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:42 am Report abuse
Think is nothing if not consistent in his squirming, insults and subject changes when he has made himself look like a fool.
100 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:37 am Report abuse
Mercopress changed their picture to a far less “sprawling” picture of a slum.

I wonder what was wrong with the first picture that showed an endless slum creeping over hillsides and sorrounding a small island of modern highrises?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Erwischt.
101 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 03:33 am Report abuse
64 yankeeboy “Cap, I've never seen a slum in the USA..never in my life. Have you?”

Tent City U.S.A.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J0vps63twU

Three million people homeless, 50 million on food stamps.
102 Anglotino (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 05:37 am Report abuse
So difficult to get Argentineans to stay on subject.

The economic problems are snowballing.

Currency in free fall.
Inflation skyrocketing.
Unemployment growing.
Investment shrinking.

Poor Argentina. This is what you voted for. You obviously didn't heed the last lessons so are repeating them again.
103 St.John (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 07:33 am Report abuse
The links in # 86 are to a fund raising challenge.

“Live Below the Line is challenging individuals and communities to see how much change you can make out of £1. By living off just £1 per day for food for 5 days, you will be bringing to life the direct experiences of the 1.4 billion people currently living in extreme poverty and helping to make real change.”

“When we say ‘extreme’ poverty we mean the poorest people in the world.”

As Captain Poppy shows (link in # 87) it has nothing to do with any sort of official poverty line in the US.
104 DanyBerger (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 07:43 am Report abuse
@YankeeBobo

You don’t know Destroy?

The endless slums of Detroit
econcat88.youtube.video4me.net/user/EconCat88/play/AejwhFCOhtY/The_endless_slums_of_Detroit,_Michigan_part_1

@Pgerman

As always you have no serious argument to back your post. Your personal experiences or how bad your brother runs a business none cares. Its just personal and no impartial point of view.

If you brother is so inept like you I understand now why his business is going bad.
105 Stevie (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 08:39 am Report abuse
St. John
Poppy is talking about poverty.
Think is talking about indigence.
Or extreme poverty as it is also called.

You can't talk about indigence an use the stats of poverty.
106 Ayayay (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 09:06 am Report abuse
Urr you can eat on $20 a month in Argentina!?
20 *9.20 pesos to the dollar.
107 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:02 am Report abuse
For you RG's, google or perhaps utube or wiki that you guys love, check out the USA's section 8 housing.
108 Anbar (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:08 am Report abuse
@104 here's a quote form the video you linked to:

“There really isnt a sign of anybody living around here, its just a bunch of empty industrial units”

congrats - you win today's intellectual Darwin award.
109 DanyBerger (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:28 am Report abuse
@Anbar

The point of the video was to show the deplorable state of place also around there are ghettos, high crime, drug dealers, etc.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRbno6eK2hc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvH_7kJTdc

So keep you keep the “Darwin award” you have been the absolute winner this time.
110 Conqueror (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:30 am Report abuse
Nice pics of Buenos Aires' villa 31.
www.jauregui.arq.br/villa31.html
And I do believe I can see a building that looks exactly like a building that can be seen in the first photo above!
111 travellingscotsman (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:36 am Report abuse
please see programme about Argentina's “economic miracle”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxATngnqgv8
112 yankeeboy (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:43 am Report abuse
110. COnq I think you are right the rounded bldg in the pic above is the old Chrysler building and the 2 block towers to the rt are condo buildings in Recoleta.

So yeah that is def BA
113 DanyBerger (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
Oh! poor Britons talking about other countries slums that in great London will pass without note it. Do you forgot about Carboad city in London, the Slum of the entire East end?

Well more bad news for the idiots...

No Army, no Royal Navy, no carriers, no planes, no money, no economy, no jobs, nor AAA anymore, no taxes to collect and keep and now no “Royal Mal” anymore...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314969/Royal-Mail-sold-public-year-echoing-Margaret-Thatchers-privatisation-policies.html

Its no sad?
The idiots will have to pay 10 pounds to send a letter to the next block and pay 15 pound by each extra km.

But at least GOsborne could convince someone in the statistic office to draw a 0.3% to avoid to become again the laughing stock of the year.

Anyway, next Saturday 27/04/20013
“Maravilla” Martinez (Argentina) Vs “Power” Murray(England) boxing event live from Velez Sarsfield Stadium BA.
Live coverage starts 18hs around 5ok people present in the event.
Televised by channel 7 air public TV free of charges.
Idiots in UK and necons countries will have to pay as always.
Good luck for both and if Maravilla wins he will provide amo to make fun of the idiots AngolaSaxo here.

ha ha
114 St.John (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
@ 113 DanyBerger wrote:

“pay 10 pounds to send a letter to the next block and pay 15 pound by each extra km.”

According to the article DanyBurger himself gave a link to, in the UK todays cost of a **first-class** stamp is 60p = £ 0.60, up from 0.46
115 yankeeboy (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:57 pm Report abuse
I think Dany also forgot that the Arg mail service was privatized then re-nationalized then had is USPS deposit confiscated to pay debts.
The mail is so bad and expensive in Argentina it is cheaper to use FEDEX or UPS OR hire a messenger service if it is in BA metro.
Maybe he's never been to BA
That could be the reason he has no idea what it's like there.
116 DanyBerger (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:10 pm Report abuse
Oh I saw that picture some where were was?

Ah! here
Great Britain Slums
s4.postimg.org/ogqj6ouwd/Great_Britain_slums.jpg
117 pgerman (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
DBerger...¿Still here posting comentas about poverty in the First World?

¿Did you follow my suggestions? ¿Did you buy some dollars to protect yourself? Take care that dollar will reach AR$ 10 in some days time.

Do you still believe that Argentina is not in crisis?

Please, don't forget that you owe me a theoretical explanation. Hey gyus, let me told you that Mr. DBerger told me that the monetary base can be the same as the GDP of a country. Still waiting for your explanation.

I'll be in Buenos Aires by mid June. If you wish I can book some Canadian Dollars for you so you can protect some of your savings.
118 darragh (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
@116

So you cut the bottom half off of the picture at the top of this thread then paste it onto the bottom of a pic of Canary Wharf and claim the result is a pic of London slums.

You certainly are some sort of dimwit - did you think no one would notice?
119 pgerman (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:30 pm Report abuse
DBerger, it's incredible what fanatism could do in you brain. I can't take your words out of my mind. “Argentina is not in crisis”.
120 Conqueror (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
@113 Sorry? British Army 138,500 regular and territorial + 121,800 regular reserve. Argie “army” part of 73,100 active + 31,240 paramilitary! Those figures are the TOTAL argie armed forces.
Royal Navy - 98 ships + 61 Royal Marines landing craft + 170 FAA aircraft. RN personnel - 35,250 regular + 2,570 volunteer reserve + 26,520 regular reserves. Argie “navy” - 42 ships (that includes the 1 that sank) + 43 aircraft.
And we do have a carrier. Two in fact. Both currently used as helicopter carriers. And soon we'll have two more. Big ones.
What planes? Do you mean air force planes? The RAF has 827 aircraft. Also 41,900 regular and auxiliary personnel + 33,380 regular reserves.
Argie “air force” has 177 aircraft.
But if we have to fight again, we'll try to keep it fair. We'll send some Girl Guides. Do you think 5 troops will be enough?
Lots of money, thanks. And a much better economy than argieland. And “privatising” Royal Mail is not the same as closing it.
Oh, that 0.3% growth in our economy? Gloat over this - en.mercopress.com/2013/04/26/argentina-industrial-production-down-in-march-and-in-first-quarter-compared-to-2012

So next time you decide to issue some dumbass “comment”, try thinking how easy it is to show you what an uneducated, brainwashed fool you are. Just look at those figures. Including reserves, the British Armed Forces total 435,170 personnel. And argies? 104,340. Less than a quarter of ours. Ships is obvious. Aircraft? More than a thousand. The Army Air Corps isn't included above. It has 203 aircraft. So, 1,200. And you argies have 321 TOTAL. Seems like we have 4 times as much of everything. Except for inflation. Ours is 2.8%. Yours is 10 times that!

Couple of words for you take on board. RESEARCH and COMPREHENSION.
121 pgerman (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
DBerger

Televised by channel 7 air public TV free of charges? Nothing is free in this world...you and all the people living in the country will pay for it through their taxes.

I would say, no ER, no hospitals, no ambulances, no schools, no police, no defense forces, no reserves,...but people will enjoy “Maravilla” Martinez Vs “Power” Murray in a boxing event. That's what you feel pride of?

Yeahh...I know “Argentina is not in crisis”.

I can't take your words out of my mind. “Argentina is not in crisis”.
122 MagnusMaster (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 03:34 pm Report abuse
@121 “I would say, no ER, no hospitals, no ambulances, no schools, no police, no defense forces, no reserves,...but people will enjoy “Maravilla” Martinez Vs “Power” Murray in a boxing event. That's what you feel pride of?” well that's what people voted. All the poor people live in inhuman conditions but have DirectTV and a giant HDTV. That tells you how FUBAR their mind is. There are so many of them that they decide the results of elections.
123 Terence Hill (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
62 DanyBerger

Being I'm from Ontario and had never heard of any shanty towns there, I was curios and checked it out your, link is unavailable. So I did a search using your criteria, guess what nothing, so these lies can be added to every thing else that comes out of your country. So I didn't waste my time viewing he rest of what was likely to be similar fiction.
124 pgerman (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 04:19 pm Report abuse
@Terence Hill

Don't worry this is the typical Peronsita attitude. If something goes wrong internally either outside the country it goes even worse or it is a consequence of the imperialism. You migh not know them but this is 100% peronisim !!!

So if argentine pesos is plunging, dollar or british pounds will plunge soon. If the argentine economy is collapsing, the world would collapse soon...

I live en Vancouver and I have never saw a shanty town here.

The sad thing is the people who rules Argentina right now are a bunch of oligarchs (with USD millions in their account outside the country) who are looting the country for their benefits on account of poor people.

1 USD = AR$ 9.20 right now...tomorrow..who knows !!!

But remember what DBerger wrote: “Argentina is not in crisis”.
125 Anbar (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
DunyBurger is even more desperate than usual hehe...

I love the way things like “10 pound to post to next block and 15 pound for each km further” are straight out of “makeitupasugoLand”.

not even any pretense to be believeable.
126 pgerman (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Anbar,

To be honest I meet plenty of people who think this way every time I travel there. I also had to cope with that attitude when I was living there.

That's what peronism together along with the catholic church made there. The “revisionistas” made their job quite well. The populism made its part too. So finally, pleople tend to belive what they listen every single day in the media.

I can't take your words out of my mind. “Argentina is not in crisis”.
127 Anbar (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 11:50 pm Report abuse
There is a term for it: “Willful Ignorance”

Its essentially the situation where somebody refuses to use the tools available to them, such as the internet, to discover the truth - they want to remain ignorant as they are happy in that state.

Ignorance, despite what el Thinko & SockPuppet friends suggest, is not in and of itself anything “wrong” or shameful....

willful ignorance, a state in which Think keeps himself, and folks like Stevie & DanyBurger exemplify, is.

Whenever you see them ignoring openly available and undisputed historical documentation to continue to support an undocumented and factual incorrect historical version in Argentine history teaching.... and one just cant believe that people actually WANT to keep themselves in that state of willful ignorance.

The Peronist movement as a whole seems to rely upon it as its bible.
128 Stevie (#) Apr 26th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
Anbar
You mean like America being a country? Or a people?

Hahahahahaha!!!
129 Anglotino (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:58 am Report abuse
DanyBerger

Oh thank you so very much for showing us your true intellect. I have to insist that everyone look at the picture he posted to back his claim:
s4.postimg.org/ogqj6ouwd/Great_Britain_slums.jpg

So from this we can definitely say that DanyBerge has NEVER EVER been to the UK.

And yes Stevie,
We all know in English that:
Americans come from America and it is in the Americas.

Can't change an entire language no matter how much you wish you could-but keep bleeting.... it's sort of comforting in a way that this frustrates you so much.
130 Stevie (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 01:17 am Report abuse
Anglolatino

“Can't change an entire language no matter how much you wish you could”

You are right. I totally agree with you.

Now, fact is that America is the femenin form of Americo, in Latin.
That name was given to the “new world”, South, Central and North America, back in 1507.

And as you said yourself, you can't change an entire language, no matter how much you wish you could.

So keep bleeting.... it's sort of comforting in a way that this frustrates you so much.

Hahahaha!!!
131 DanyBerger (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:10 am Report abuse
@pgerman

I don’t need your Canadian dollars thanks you sure will need more than me.

“Do you still believe that Argentina is not in crisis?”
Argentina is not in economic crisis as you say and you also failed to prove that.

“Please, don't forget that you owe me a theoretical explanation”
If you would know how currency works you wouldn’t asking that.

@Terence Hill

It is may fault that you get lost in the debate and you get confused by Brits post?

I guess not? Do I?

I always was talking about Ontario in USA CA I have no idea what you where looking for...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK2LBTumItc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3XHcfHx1U

fourstory.org/features/story/residents-of-ontarios-tent-city/

@Anglotino
2500 slums building just in west London the usually have 7 average in it that makes 17.500 people just is this little area
Oh! a half villa 31 build in it.

UK is turning into a big slam
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHZf7nHM9gI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SND55maK6R4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrR2YSACFDI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEh0Al5a8Sk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugiVGd6mrg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzskLuD4pCg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzJeWAX6ydk
132 agent999 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 11:15 am Report abuse
131 DanyBerger

As usual you provide links but do not understand the content of those links.

The links you provide point to illegally built housing being used by “illegal immigrants” in the UK - they are not British citizens !

The main article is discussing the poverty level of Argentinian citizens living in Argentina - can you understand the difference ?.
133 yankeeboy (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
132. Dany is too stupid to look at the links he provides. He went on ignore yesterday.
You can't cure stupid.
134 Zethee (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
Even our “slums” have electricity and water.

Argentina's slums do not.
135 DanyBerger (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
@agent999

And who told you that these people living in the Slums in Argentina are Argentines?

So a Paki living 20 years in UK is not British but a Peruvian, Chilean, Paraguayan, Bolivian, etc. illegal become automatically Argentine when put his feet on Argentina’s soil?

You ask for precision to distinguish illegal immigrants in UK but you don’t even bother to ask the same in Argentina.

Well boy, the people living in shantytowns in Argentina mostly are from Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Chile and other neighbouring countries that makes the 80% of the shanty towns population and mostly part of the illegal immigration in Argentina from the ’90.

Generous Argentina provides then with free health care, work and they occupy state land owned and they are not expulsed like will be in Europe or US.

Here Peruvian TV station collecting complains from illegal Peruvian immigrants that cannot buy official dollar to send to Perú and mostly are thinking to go other countries like Chile, etc.

Sure Chile will solve Peruvian’s currency problem to send greenbacks to Perú as they have better aligned economy with US.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH1uvJQsHqU
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=PQmDCxaJVGM&feature=endscreen

Peruvian and Africans living in villa 31 claiming for houses free of charges from Arg Govt.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPK_UV-OaTM

Peruvians making American dream in Argentina and Peruvian claiming that stealing its was their modus vivendi but now thanks to work opportunities in Argentina he stop to doing that.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFSuAR1rRVk

So according with you Argentina should help them to go Chile for example?
Or expulse them back home like in UK to solve the urban problem?

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

@ Zethee
Argentine Slums have dish sat TV, internet, cable, radio station, electricity but not running water because the city of Buenos Aires refuses to provide it to them.

So may be they are better than you
136 agent999 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
Dany

You are the one who keeps talking about and posting links to slums!

The article topic is :-
“‘Official poverty’ in Argentina 2.5 million people; private estimate: 11 million” - and is not about people living in slums/shanty towns as you are making it out to be.

What strange values you have when sat TV is better than running water !
137 Brasileiro (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
Argentina have significant number of imigrants from Paraguai and Bolívia. Maybe the Villas Misérias is formed from they, or not?
138 Yuleno (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
Growth rates
UK 0.03%
US 2.25%
Argentina ?
You need growth to address poverty
Unless you take from the rich and redistribute to the poor.
The UK are taking from the poor and giving to ?
Any solutions?
139 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
Economic Models Explained
SOCIALISM
You have 2 cows.
You give one to your neighbour.
COMMUNISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and gives you some milk.
FASCISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and sells you some milk.
NAZISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and shoots you.
BUREAUCRATISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away.
TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull.
Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.
You sell them and retire on the income.
AN AMERICAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows.
Later, you hire a consultant to analyze why the cow has dropped dead.
A ARGENTINE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You go on strike, organize a riot, and block the roads, because you want three cows.
A JAPANESE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk.
You then create a clever cow cartoon image called ‘Cowkimon’ and market it worldwide.
A GERMAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves.
AN ITALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows, but you don’t know where they are.
You decide to have lunch.
A RUSSIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
You count them again and learn you have 2 cows.
You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.
A SWISS CORPORATION
You have 5000 cows. None of them belong to you.
You charge the owners for storing them.
A CHINESE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You have 300 people milking them.
You claim that you have full employment, and high bovine productivity.
You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.
AN INDIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You worship them.
A BRITISH CORPORATION
You have two cows.
Both are mad.
AN IRA
140 Stevie (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
Capitalism
You have two cows
You sell your mother to highest bid.
You buy another cow.
141 Yuleno (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
Poppy has two cows and collects dung!
142 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
Lol yeah right okay.........lol. What is that all you can do for an insult?.......lol Come steverina....I have faith in you.
A little levity will do Argentine's some good during the beginning phase of the collapse. Did you convert your peso's? Most Argentine's I know started converting a few hundred peso's this past week as next week it is projected to hit 10 by next week's end. But do not worry.......not everything is rising like inflation and unemployment........
DFI is down
industrial output is down,
hiring is down
trade surplus is down
democracy is down
free press is down
Chile and Bolivian love is down
national confidence is down
Argentina and Brazilian love is down

On a positive note, it hasn't rained and Lorenzino makes a great sitcom
143 Stevie (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
Poppy
I never intended to insult you, you are not that important.
144 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
My bad. Thank you
145 Anglotino (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:17 am Report abuse
So DanyBerger

Have you backed off from your claim that this is in London?
s4.postimg.org/ogqj6ouwd/Great_Britain_slums.jpg

C'mon stand by your convictions. Real or fake? (Doubtful you will answer).

So homeless people on drugs or with mental health issues in Canada means it has a slum problem like Argentina?

Recent immigrants (whether legal or not) living in shoddily converted garages in London backyards means it has a slum problem like Argentina?

DanyBerger you have a severe inability to CRITICALLY THINK. It is painfully obvious that your education finished somewhere towards the middle of high school.

Now. Are 200 people living in tents a slum? Is this really comparable to the hundreds of thousands living in villas miserias in Argentina?

It talks of 7,000 homeless and yet doesn't source the fact. What is the definition of homelessness? If someone sleeps on my couch for a week they are homeless according to statistics in my country.

Do converted garages in West London with plumbing and electricity compare to villas miserias? They're converted illegally but the land they are on is owned by those that did the conversion. These British “slums” are positively middle class for some countries.

However bad news sells and the word slum has such shock value precisely for ill-educated people like you that can't CRITICALLY THINK.

'Sheds with beds' is what they're called. And there's an estimated 10.000 of them in London and the Home Counties. Here's a picture of these “slums”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049676/Welcome-Slums-Southall-How-unscrupulous-landlords-illegally-built-squalid-homes-immigrants.html

Now Google villas miserias buenos aires and compare the two. Let me help you:
* 800-900 slums
* over 60% are older than 15 years
* several million inhabitants
* nearly 90% have no access to the sewerage system
* most inhabitants are Argentinean

CRITICALLY THINK Dany my boy.
146 Captain Poppy (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:31 am Report abuse
Those “london slums” look more livable than a lot of places in Argentina, let alone the villa 31. I've seen that place and it looks like an area in war torn Beirut. The safety issues alone with the electrical lines illegally tapped into the power grid......wires dropping everywhere, across the roadways........a disaster waiting to happen. I bet asslips prays for an earthquake because she will never do anything for them.
147 DanyBerger (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:02 am Report abuse
@Anglotino

If you would be smart you would realised that the pic is fake. The reason I posted it? Because this article previously showed a pic with slums from other country with mountain in the back showed as it is was Buenos Aires to make its point about poverty in Argentina.

In a previous article about poverty I saw long time ago they were showed pics from Brazil with “Morros” in the back.

Buenos Aires has not mountain anywhere because it is flat and full of tall buildings.

In a large city like Buenos Aires 50k living in slums is much less than 17.500 in little London just in the west.

Buenos Aires it is really a huge city so you cannot compare London with Buenos Aires to start with.
The slum of villa 31 it is just like a couple of landlords in UK having illegal in the back

Now lets see, you introduced Canada into the debate. Vancouver ranks as one of best city to live in, right?

Explosion of poverty in Canada
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFciyC1WF48

Rich Vancouver
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6UiEzoYBNc

www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wwJkqTZ5H_s&feature=endscreen

Poor Buenos Aires
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRNuCcv2rOI
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLZKXZSnzkc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=acq9uEFRP9c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkLQGjtS8A

Where do you want to live?

Can you see?

All depends what I do want to show you or what do you want to see.

Where are you from? Down Under?

Do you want me to show you poverty in Australia having people living like in Africa?

Oops!!! Australian slums
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTCuXY9AJ6Y&playnext=1&list=PL4FBD2F7819AFBACE&feature=results_main
148 pgerman (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:43 am Report abuse
@DBerger

I know that's saturday but I was missing yuor comments.

By rthe way did you get dollars the day I told you? Now it's more expensive. Anyway don't worry...Argentina is not in crisis !!!

Your comments have fun after all..
149 Anglotino (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:18 am Report abuse
Aaah Dany

I told you to think CRITICALLY and all you could do was prove your educational attainment,

You posted a fake pic. Thanks for admitting it.

“Buenos Aires it is really a huge city so you cannot compare London with Buenos Aires to start with”

We shouldn’t compare though that is all you ever do? Here is how you discuss the article by constantly comparing:

Post 62 – US, UK
Post 104 - US
Post 109 – US
Post 113 – UK
Post 116 – UK
Post 131 – US, UK
Post 135 – UK, Chile
Post 147 – Canada, Australia

But now we can’t compare BsAs with London? Supposedly because it’s “a really huge city”.

Population of London metropolitan area: ~15 million
Population of BsAs metropolitan area: ~13 million

“In a large city like Buenos Aires 50k living in slums is much less than 17.500 in little London just in the west”

50,000 slum dwellers in BsAs? WTF! Do you even know how to do research?

Villa 21-24 in Barracas within the Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires ALONE has 50,000 people.

What about the other 20-3o slums within the Autonomous City? Let alone the greater metropolitan area?

www.estudiosurbanos.uc.cl/2011/10/en-cinco-anos-se-han-instalado-90-nuevas-“villas-miseria”-en-el-conurbano-de-la-capital-argentina/

RESEARCH! The people living in the villas miserias are not thanking your for ignoring them.

As for Australia.

Their GOVERNMENT BUILT house was being renovated by the GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT housing is comparable to no housing? Living in a tent during a renovation is comparable to people spending decades living in a villa miseria?

I own up to my country’s problems. We have a huge issue with Aboriginal welfare. Australia’s entire indigenous population is probably the same size as the number of ALL slum dwellers in greater BsAs.

Governments belatedly realised the system is not working and changed
www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/first-home-milestone-for-queensland-aboriginal-townships-20130114-2cplc.html

So we are decreasing this sort of poverty.
150 DanyBerger (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:14 am Report abuse
@Anglotino

15 millions are you crazy or what?

The total population of London city it is just 7.400 people.
City of London plus great London 3.231.900 people
Total London as a region including out side London 8.173.900 people.
Source Table P04 2011 Census Office for National Statistics UK govt (ONS).

While metropolitan area of Buenos Aires it is more than 15 millions and the total population of the Buenos Aires Region it is over 18 millions.

Can you see the little difference?

But I was not talking about just population otherwise size. Anyway doesn’t matter.

You have ever been in London and not either Buenos Aires. Am I right?

“50,000 slum dwellers in BsAs? WTF! Do you even know how to do research?”
Nope its is 50k people in a slums not 50k slums, Villa 31 for example it is always the example cited.

Lets assume that the shitty info you have its right so 2.5 million live in shantytown in Argentina. Better off for you I will put all that people living only in Buenos Aires.

That makes 0nly 14% of the population of Buenos Aires (remember that I included all in Buenos Aires)

Also the type of La Destruccion and Clarin Miente include state council housing as slums. Well if you would know UK you would know that its full of that. Why don’t you count its?

Like in Australia
New modern slums in Australia
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShKLDAKZJxk

So next time try to be precise, would you please?

BTW from what hispanic or latino country are you mate?

Danke
151 agent999 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:14 am Report abuse
@150 DanyBerger

Sorry Dany your figures as usual are wrong!
152 DanyBerger (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:19 am Report abuse
@agent999

And your statement is based on?
BS perhaps?
153 agent999 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:47 am Report abuse
152 DanyBerger

based on analysis of the BS figures you have posted!
154 Anglotino (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:07 am Report abuse
Oh Dany

You have to stop making yourself look silly.

You keep limiting what defines London’s metropolitan region but even when you do your statistics don’t make BsAs look any better.

You talk about being precise but seem unable to actually be precise.

I never said it was 50,000 slums – meaning each slum has 50,000 according to you. I said

“Villa 21-24 in Barracas within the Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires ALONE has 50,000 people.”

One slum!!!!!!

I then asked you about the 20-30 other slums.

But you seem to think that 2.5 million people living in slums is better compared to what?

10,000 sheds with beds in London?

Let’s squeeze 10 people into each of these. Only 100,000 potential slum-dwellers? Let’s squeeze 100 in shall we and then we can have a million.

Too precise? Because that is just an absolutely farcical statistic.

All of London's supposed slum dwellers would fit in to Villa 21-24.

But then according to you, because some government built housing in La Destruccion and Clarin Miente exists, then all government built housing in the UK is therefore a slum.

CRITICAL THINKING dude!

You keep changing tact whenever your find you’ve backed yourself into a corner.

“New modern slums in Australia” on Youtube!

Today Tonight! PMSL! Oh please stop….. I can hardly breathe from your sheer stupidity.

Today Tonight!!!!! News of the World of journalism in Oz.

LOL

So now because landlords are squeezing international students into small apartments then there is a growing slum problem in Oz.

So according to your definition the following are slums:
- villas miserias
- people living in detached rooms in backyards or room additions
- anyone in social housing
- crowded apartments

So using your definition what is the slum population of BsAs now? I’d have to say that it is a hell of a lot higher than 14% now.

BsAs is probably getting up to 40—50% using your definitions.

You are making my argument for me.

Who said I was from Latin America? Why are you racist?
155 agent999 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:49 am Report abuse
@Dany

“‘Official poverty’ in Argentina 2.5 million people; private estimate: 11 million”

What are the true poverty figures for Argentina ?
156 DanyBerger (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
@agent999

You as always wrong. Sorry

@ Anglotino

I told you mate. You are not more idiot because you lack of training.

These figures are provided by ONS. Do you know what its is?

“But you seem to think that 2.5 million people living in slums is better compared to what?”

Just compared with West London, then you have to figure out how much of these kind of slums are in the rest of London like the east. That BTW it is more poor than the west. I have to clarify that because you have never been in London.

“10,000 sheds with beds in London?”
Nope 17.500 just in west London then you have to multiply for the rest of shitty places in London. And I can tell you that there are a lot of shitty places outside London.

London has a lot of places full of public housing what in Argentina are called “Monoblocks” and they are counted by Clarin Miente as slums like Villa Lugano

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw-NOAlIqiw

Or Fuerte Apache slum
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3iIRwPaQsg

Can you see? Looks like US, Canada and UK even the music its quite similar.

Sticky isn’t it?

Brit slums, I can tell you that the argies ones look much better.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e9TePql1mg

“All of London's supposed slum dwellers would fit in to Villa 21-24.”

Nope because you forgot to count state council slums in UK. So why you are counting it in Argentina and not in UK?

“But then according to you, because some government built housing in La Destruccion and Clarin Miente exists, then all government built housing in the UK is therefore a slum.”

I’m using the same criteria if villa Lugano its a slum for clarin Miente the same would be in UK.

“So now because landlords are squeezing international students into small apartments then there is a growing slum problem in Oz.”

Sorry this is a slum anyone can tell you that.

Slum definition “A heavily populated urban area characterised by substandard housing and
Squalor”

Any further question?
157 Anglotino (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Oh Dany

Your so cute when you rely.

Well I gotta go to work so no long reply.

But a couple of questions and facts:

So now a slum is a shitty place? Gawd even more of Argentina is a slum.

How do you know I haven't lived in London. Careful here!

One crowded apartment in an apartment complex creates “heavily populated urban area characterised by substandard housing and squalor”

So now most of BsAs is a slum?

So here's a good question! What makes a heavily populated urban area?

Is it 18 million people in 5,000 km2 or is it
4.2 million in 9,000 km2?

You keep widening the definition of a slum to cover more and more of Argentina!
158 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
Dany
They have plenty of slums in Europe.
The difference is that they provide the inhabitants with a massive concrete block, the same ones you would use to build a prison, and they remove the bars.

Then they fill them with immigrants, alcoholics, drug addicts and local people that “falls out of the system”.

They live in the same shit conditions as any poor in any part of the world. With

No inclusion
No future
No health
No hope
No improvement
No possibilities
No one gives a damn
159 Anglotino (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Dany's from Europe!

You just insulted him.

PMSL you guys are priceless.
160 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
Anglolatino
I don't think the truth insults Dany.
As he lives in Europe, he knows quite well what I'm talking about.
Same thing happens in Australia.
Concete jungles.
Gangs and crime.
Drugs and alcohol.

But that concrete block is good for the statistics...
161 LEPRecon (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:03 am Report abuse
@160 - Stevie

So you're going for the whataboutery means of trying to divert the thread from the fact that a quarter (give or take) of Argentina's population live in poverty.

Yes Europe has poor people, show me one country in the world that doesn't, but being poor in Europe isn't the same as being poor in Argentina.

Benefits for poor people in the EU are exceptionally generous when compared to many other countries.

Gangs and Crime - well Argentina's crime rates are so bad that the government don't even bother to report them anymore. And why should they? They have control of the majority of the countries media (that freedom and democracy Argentine style in action) so why bother to tell the truth to the people?

Drugs and alcohol? Well I don't believe that there is a country in the world that doesn't have some problems in that regard, and in South and Central America the Drug Cartels massacre people, including law enforcement officers with impunity.

Stevie, people who live in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones. Or if you prefer Jesus' version: let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone.
162 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:25 am Report abuse
LEP
We have cantegriles too.
Only difference between our cantegriles and your concrete jungles, is the prison without bars exchanged for the cardboard house with sheet roof.

The benefits in Europe are precisely enough to pay for the rent of the prison without bars and the individual habit, and you well know it.

“being poor in Europe isn't the same as being poor in Argentina.”

Tell that to the poor people in Europe. Start with the Romanis.
163 Anglotino (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:53 am Report abuse
Stevie

“Cantegriles”

Do they call them “cantegriles” in your country too?

I thought that was a Uruguayan term.
164 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:03 am Report abuse
Ask ynsere why they are called cantegriles.
When he can't answer, come again

;)
165 Anglotino (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:37 am Report abuse
Oh Stevie

I know where the word comes from. That wasn't my question (reread it).

I'm just amazed that your country uses the term too comsidering it is named after a place in Uruguay.
166 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:44 am Report abuse
So, you've been to Punta del Este.
Don't you just love the irony?

Lets see if you have been somewhere else.

3 bridges has my river.

(With the risk of giving you too much info)
167 Anglotino (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:37 am Report abuse
I've never been to Uruguay.

Where did you get a silly idea like?

You at post 162:
“We have cantegriles too.”

Too? Like LEPRecon? Where's he from? Uruguay?

I'm trying to get my head around why your country calls slums “cantegriles” which is a specific Uruguayan termed as far as I thought.
168 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:41 am Report abuse
Anglolatino
My bad, your response made me believe you had been to Uruguay.

So you don't know why they are called cantegriles then?

Ask ynsere.

And when he can't answer, come again.
169 DanyBerger (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:51 am Report abuse
@Anglotino

Don’t be silly how can I feel insulted when someone is right?

@Stevie

I live in Argentina now and you are right.
Most slums in Europe are like villa Lugano and Fuerte Apache style in some countries like UK, etc.

In Germany the 2nd bigger country in the west after US some people live in extreme poverty and not having enough income to meet basics needs as food.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoL3bfripoM

That is as result of measures imposed by necons crooks and lobbyist like Stefan Bielmeier former DB (Deutsche Bank) and now DZ bank.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty2xc4QxjBA

The same type of guys that populate Argentine TV like Melconian, Espert, Broda, etc.

Current misery in EU as a whole is over 27%.

BTW I was seeing in recent days Melconian jumping from radio station to TV channels not missing any opportunity to talk about the dollar rise as he was concern about people savings. Since long time ago he was doing this.

Well the idiot it is just lobbing to create expectation over people and then who do you think will sell the dollar a 10? Yeah his clients, friends and him. Expecting for govt intervention and saturation for the informal dollar market so they will buy the same dollar back but a cheaper price. “Empome” is called in the city.

All this guys from all over the world should be sent to jail by practising economy terrorism.

@ LEPRecon
“but being poor in Europe isn't the same as being poor in Argentina.”

Of course not because in Argentina, Brazil, US, Canada or any other large country at least you can live in a tend city or in a shark and if you are lucky in a beautiful beach full of “Garotas” with big buts in Copacabana beach. You don’t need even cloths there.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhR_6wE1TQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuEF5kQFPM

While in Europe after the safety net that every day is short you will end in the street dying in the cold.

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=GVeXZrMf8fg&NR=1

Denying the prob
170 Yuleno (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
Stevie, people who live in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones. Or if you prefer Jesus' version: let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone.
Quite right Lep,so why are you doing just that.Can you not stick to the issue. Poverty in Argentina is down.Thanks to growth of the economy and the resulting benefits for most people in Argentina.More to be done but that's where Argentina is like every other country.More to be done
Watch out for those stones Lep!
171 Anglotino (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
Oh Dany
You live in Argentina now?

Nice to know. But you said all I needed you to say. Here and on the other thread.

I don't get you to reply because I think you will refute me or challenge me.

I get you to reply so you can refute yourself. And discredit anything else you might want to say in the future.

Stevie
I once warned you that I keep getting you to say what I need and here you are proving it.

My post 163 - I didn't ask for the meaning of cantegriles
Your post 164 - You told me to ask ynsere for the meaning
My post 165 - I didn't ask for the meaning of cantegriles
My post 167 - I didn't ask for the meaning of cantegriles
Your post 168 - You told me ask ynsere for the meaning

So Stevie, as you can see I don't need the meaning or origin of the word cantegriles.

I know this already. You can stop now.

But the question I have asked 3 times and now for what will be an unanswered 4th time is (and I'll be extra clear and spell it out):

Why does YOUR country call slums, cantegriles; when this is a Uruguayan term (named a rich neighbourhood called Cantegril in Punta del Este) and you don't live in Uruguay?

Just to remind you again:
I am NOT asking for the meaning of cantegriles.

Your inability to answer is why I like to make you talk so much.
172 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
If my inability to answer is the fuel to propel your insanity, you will not get many answers out of me, Anglolatino.
Your frequent outbursts are just too amusing for that to happen.

I don't really care where you think I come from.
It's just not important to me.

Indeed it's because of that rich neighbourhood.
The irony is beautiful.
This, good folks, is MY cantegril.

:)
173 DanyBerger (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
@Anglotino

Ah! now you don’t want to reply...

Oops! Sad news poverty in Australia seems to be even worse than I thought.

www.news.com.au/money/cost-of-living/what-life-looks-like-for-22-million-australians-below-the-poverty-line/story-fnagkbpv-1226498551944

“The figure includes nearly 600,000 children, many who go to school without breakfast or lunch and suffer from social isolation.

In a separate report, Anglicare Australia found three in four families also struggle to put enough food on the table and 1 in 10 children sometimes miss school because their families feel guilty for not providing adequate food.

“A wealthy country such as ours can, and should, do better to ensure that everyone is afforded an adequate standard of living,” she said.

“It is a fundamental human right.”

News.com.au this week talked to a 65-year old man from Sydney who has been unable to find full-time work over the last 15 years since he was seriously injured by a workplace assault...”

“Chris receives $410 a week from the disability pension and rental assistance. He spends most of it on private rental although he's been on a housing commission waiting list for 10 years.”

““I keep myself going on a daily basis and I don't know why.”

Mr Novak told news.com.au how his weekly budget breaks down.

-Rent: $200
-Car (petrol, insurance, etc): $58
-General bills: $56
-Electricity/phone: $48
-Groceries: $50
-Clothing: $5
-Medication: $2.90
-Entertainment: $1.50

Question. And what kind of entertainment can you get for $1.5 in Down under?

Total: $421,4 and $1685,6 per month and living in poverty.

Minimum wage for a full time job in Australia $606.40 per week so its is $2425,6 at month

A poor need $1685.6 to survive a full worker is $740 richer wow.

And what the hell can you do with $740 in expensive Australia? Where a middle class house cost more than a million dollar on these days?

I guess not much.

And you think that you are better than Argentina?
On paper perhaps?
174 Anglotino (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Where did I ask where you came from?

I don't need you to say where you come from. That's not the question I asked.

But it was interesting that you though that was the answer to my question.

Like Dany you are too predictable.
175 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
Anglolatino
And like andy (the toe guy), you are too much fun

;)
176 Anglotino (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Stevie

It is very nice of you to answer an insult with a compliment.
177 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
That's merely the effects your insults have on me, sweetie

;)
178 hatedumbs (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 01:16 am Report abuse
ok, i am form Argentina, i will tell you the truth. This article is a lie. Poverty in Argentina is probably around 55 %, not only 27%. This is only because of the super-corrupt government and stupid people that vote them. What we have to deal with everyday is: prices raising EVERYday, severely high crime rates (mostly homicides), daily blackouts, dangerous mass transit transport due to lack of investment, millions of immigrants from bolivia, peru, paraguay that bring even more crime and chaos (lack of border controls), poor people that think they have the “right” to steal from you because you studied and have a job while all they did in their lives was use drugs so they receive money from government which isn't enough for them to get all the drugs they want, and many other things i could say, but the worst of all is of course having to listen to the most stupid president in the world ( probably only seconded by chavez) saying lies all the time and believing she made the country “first world” and making it the most autocratic she can. By the way i love the UK i have a friend there and they are very nice people, it is a beautiful country, i love their accent and simplicity, the culture, etc, argentines should learn many things from them.
179 DanyBerger (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 06:03 am Report abuse
@hatedumbs
“argentines should learn many things from them.”

Let me guess... sure you are following your own advice and you are learning from your friend “Conqueror” to write. Am I right?

None had ever told you guys about the existence of paragraphs idiots?
180 hatedumbs (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
@179
you obviously have nothing clever or useful to say, so you just try to defend yourself with minor things. You also start insulting others who think differently instead of exchanging ideas. Typical of a Kirchnerist, fascist or communist. “In Germany the 2nd bigger country in the west after US some people live in extreme poverty and not having enough income to meet basics needs as food.” You clearly lack proper language use. You don't even understand what you write. Your english is so very well polished you should be teaching at Harvard. As i translate this, you are saying Germany is the biggEST country in the west hemisphere after the US? you are quite wrong. If you mean size, you forgot about at least Canada, Brazil and Argentina. And if you mean population, you forgot about Brazil and Mexico. And you are saying that people in Germany live in extreme poverty? do you even care to at least know your own country before judging others?
181 DanyBerger (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 07:03 am Report abuse
@ hatedumbs

I mean its the 2nd biggest economy in the west after US idiot.

The problem is that I have to edit my posts all the time on the fly, because this shitty text area writing application only allows 2000 chars.

Here I will get more fun.

Idiot, Idiot, Idiot, if you wouldn’t be so stupid you would realised by now that I’m German Idiot, from Deutschland a Jerry for fella Brits. Everybody knows that but you idiot.

Also everybody know here that I use to live in Britain precise in London for more than 2 years, also in Italy, also in Spain, of course Germany and also I know others countries as Switzerland, France, etc.

Well your problem is that you have ever been living in other countries and you have no idea of what are you talking about.

Well I will give you a road map in rich Germany there are people working for Euros 400 do you have any idea how poor you can you can be with that? I guess not.

In Italy, another country that I know very well you will find the same or even worst in the south where salaries are 70 Euros per week like in Napoli.

In Spain I saw “villas miserias” before in Argentina “Chabolas”.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0I5pUEvvhQ

So I saw “motochorros” in Italy before than I saw it in Argentina, I also saw people cleaning “car windscreen” in Europe than in Argentina.

www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=JrGE56VELtk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7YDAqC158

Retired gets only 500 Euros per month how can they live with that in expensive Milan?
New poor at Milano (Milan for monolingual Idiots)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=29S53ggwv1U

I hope you understand Italian there is a guy in the video above saying that he has to get up at 4 o’clock in the morning and has a really tough job and he only earns EU800 at month he cannot even pay the rent with that.

I think that you are a complete ignorant and idiot because you have not idea of what is reality in other countries.

Note: I have to cut 4 times my original post...
182 Anglotino (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 11:52 am Report abuse
Hatedumbs

Yes Dany has lived everywhere and now lives in Argentina.

Poverty in Argentina is lower than every other country.

Insulting people bolsters his arguments.

You'll soon learn like the rest if us that he's the class clown and we all have a laugh at him. After all, he's so smart he actually moved TO Argentina.
183 DanyBerger (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
@AngolaChino

Don't try to be smart because we all know that you come from ex colony of criminal. Even Brit make fun about that. So imagine How we consider you.

Do you get the message?

So shut up and be nice before I get up set.

Idiot
184 axel arg (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
HATEDUMBS.
Can you provide the sources to support what you say in relation to the soposed 55% of poverty that we have, according to what you expressed in your post 178, or what you typed was just a personal opinion?. Beyond your reactionary and discriminatory expressions, if you don't have any respect, you can't discuss about anything.
Your reasons to reject c. f. k's government are as respectable as the reasons of the 54,11% of people who voted her.
I don't think that you are stupid for not having voted her, and i don't think either that you are being paid in order to criticise her policies.
Your politic ideas are just your personal choices, which are as respectable as mine. However, there are always reactionary people who have such a mediocre thought like your's who consider people who voted c. f. k. like lazy people who recieve some statal money to vote for government, or idiots who don't know what they do. It's actually the tipical reactionary comment of many sectors of the middle class, who often estigmatize poor people, but actually many of them don't have any idea about the reality of the poorest sectors of the society.
If you are so critic of what you consider like lazy people who receive some statal help, let me tell you that like it or not, you'll find lazy and hard working people in all the social sectors of the society.
On the other hand, if you think that c. f. k. said that we are in first world, is because actually you have never listened to her. She has never said such a stupid thing, in fact, like it or not, despite the tipical omisions that she and all the rest of the politcians usually commit, she often emphasizes in the 35% of workers who are undocumented. Beside, she always says that the true way to finish with poverty is not a subside, but a formal job, subsides are just a necesary social protection.

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