Saturday, April 27th 2013 - 04:10 UTC

Malvinas radical group begins campaign against Lan Chile offices in Buenos Aires

An Argentine radical group involved in actions against cruise vessels and maritime traffic with the Falkland Islands has promised a similar campaign against Lan Chile offices in Buenos Aires, the airline which flies the only link of the Islands with the continent.

.Tony Lopez head of Resistencia Malvinas said the group has the support from the Argentine state

The weekly Lan Chile flight is the only link of the Falklands with the continent

Last year’s attacks on maritime agencies offices in downtown Buenos Aires

Toni Lopez from Resistencia Malvinas, who described the campaign against the cruise vessels calling in the Falklands a ‘success’, pledged that every Wednesday at midday the group will be protesting at Lan Chile’s downtown offices demanding that Aerolineas Argentinas takes over the weekly flight to the Islands and that passports be eliminated for Argentine nationals.

This week’s ‘Wednesday protest’ inauguration was not much of a success because Argentine public opinion was concentrated on the judicial reform congressional debate and massive concentrations all over the country rejecting the proposal.

However next week could be different because the protest at Lan’s offices will be taking place on Thursday at midday (Wednesday May first is a national holiday), which coincides with the 31st anniversary of the sinking of the cruiser “General Belgrano” by a British submarine with the loss of 323 lives, Argentina’s single major setback, and which marked the no-return escalation of the Falklands conflict.

In an interview with a local radio, Toni Lopez said that the idea of the Lan ‘siege’ followed the success of the campaign against cruise vessels calling in the Falklands, implementing the Gaucho Rivero Bill, which “was confirmed by the tourism stats released by the Malvinas illegitimate government”.

According to those stats “the cruise season was down 50% over a year ago, because cancellation doubled and the number of visitors was much lower than expected. This was to the benefit of Puerto Madryn and Ushuaia”, argued Toni Lopez.

In this new campaign “we are demanding that Aerolineas Argentinas takes over the weekly flight to Malvinas and from Argentina and that Argentine nationals should not need passports to travel to the Islands, as is the case now”.

The head of Resistencia Malvinas insisted on describing the cruise campaign as a ‘success’ recalling two incidents: when his group attack with stones and sticks against representatives’ offices from British maritime agencies in Argentina, which included the burning of a Union Jack, and when cruise passengers in Buenos Aires were retained by over six hours delaying the departure of the vessel to Montevideo.

Toni Lopez went further and said that following these two incidents and the summoning of Ambassador Alicia Castro in London by the Foreign Office to receive a formal protest, “we became aware we had the full support from the Argentine state”.

In effect, “when summoned to the Foreign Office Ambassador Alicia Castro told (Foreign Secretary William) Hague that the only possible way out to this situation was to begin negotiations over the Malvinas sovereignty”.

“The stones we throw and break windows of the representatives of the Malvinas usurpers in Buenos Aires have a big echo in London”, said Toni Lopez.

Finally regarding passports, he recalled that people travelling between Malvinas and Argentina, based on the understanding of 1971/72 only needed a ‘white card’, because it is not a foreign country, and this is contemplated in international law. This was the case until the 1982 war.

Likewise the validity of such understandings is not erased because of a war and remembered that when President Cristina Fernandez was a Senator she supported a bill which established that the only document valid to travel to Malvinas was the “white card”.

“Let’s hope she recalls that, and follows on her husband’s steps who disavowed the Malvinas fisheries and hydrocarbons understandings with the UK government; she must do the same with the 1999 agreement on communications and have Aerolineas Argentinas take over from Lan Chile”.
 

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1 Be serious (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 04:47 am Report abuse
Every Country has them.
2 Britninja (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 04:52 am Report abuse
Oh Tony, you silly old demanding greaseball.
3 ljordao (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:29 am Report abuse
Argentinian idiocy is a bottomless pit. What on earth can Lan Chile do about passports?
4 Gordo1 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:44 am Report abuse
These people will have a field day when the England rugby players arrive - let's hope the authorities will control them and allow sporting events to continue with no hassle.
5 Escoses Doido (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:49 am Report abuse
Pathetic.
6 commonsense (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:08 am Report abuse
True to form. The Argentinian economy is going down faster than a lady of the night on overtime so sudenly the Argentinians ramp up their pathetic attempts to deflect the populations attention towards The Falklands and onto anti British sentiment.
Surely our government remember that the 1982 war started with The Argentinians sending scrapmetal workers ( actually Argentinian soldiers) to South Georgia. If this protest takes place, or any so called Argentinian Scientists land on South Georgia then we should take very forceful military reprisals.
7 Redrow (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:17 am Report abuse
Surely to be the Malvinas Resistance you'd have to be on the Falkland Islands?
I feel bad for him - wasting his life like that.
8 stick up your junta (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:47 am Report abuse
They make the People's Front Of Judea look well organised
9 ElaineB (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:52 am Report abuse
I love this story. They are going to protest every Wednesday lunch time. LOL! They have had one protest so far that was not a success and the next one is postponed because it is (yet another) national holiday. LOL! They couldn't possibly be protesting about a cause they feel SO strongly about on a holiday, could they. Brilliant.

What an utter twat Mr. Lopez is.
10 Bongo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:58 am Report abuse
Well they can certainly try sending an Aerolineas plane full of Argentines without passports but if the old rustbucket actually makes it across the water I doubt the Islanders will let it land.
11 HansNiesund (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:06 am Report abuse
How long can it be before Tony Lopez is appointed Ambassador?
12 Britworker (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:11 am Report abuse
Another greasy rebel without a cause. Like the Falklands are going to him and his kind a passport, they don't even know what soap is.
I do hope we hear strong condemnation from Chile about this and not the usual capitulation. Miss Castro had better get her 'dressing down' outfit back from the cleaners.
13 reality check (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:19 am Report abuse
Mr Lopez has his own business, he's a commercial glazier!
14 Escoses Doido (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:26 am Report abuse
“the sinking of the cruiser “General Belgrano” by a British submarine with the loss of 323 lives, Argentina’s single major setback, and which marked the no-return escalation of the Falklands conflict.”

Erm, I believe both of the above were caused by the invasion of British sovreign territory on April 2nd 1982, and not anything else.......
15 Clyde15 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
“we are demanding that Aerolineas Argentinas takes over the weekly flight to Malvinas“

The old word ”demanding” - Argentinian speak for peaceful talks.
Where have we heard that before from CFK, Timmerman, Castro et al. Ho hum,whats for my lunch today ?
16 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:56 am Report abuse
This story next to 'Argentines fear major devaluation of the Peso and dollar sets new record at 9.34'

There we have the real reason for this shite stirring, diversion from economic woes, it was ever thus...
17 reality check (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:01 am Report abuse
Together with the research ship being sent to the South Georgia “area” things must really be getting desperate for her.
18 Anbar (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:07 am Report abuse
bunch of thugs? check
peronist government in argentina? check
mad dicatorial leader? check
economy going down the shitter? check
easy civilian target? check
shades of Kristallnacht ? Check
19 Escoses Doido (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
The guy does look like a head-case right enough, is that a prison issue top he's wearing?
20 Britworker (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:30 am Report abuse
All the South American airlines will want a route to the Falklands once the oil starts pumping. They know they have made a big mistake writing themselves off from that.
When will they get it through their heads that the British are not south american, demands, tantrums, threats and terrorism do not work with us.
21 agent999 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 10:02 am Report abuse
Another example of the peaceful negotiations that the Argentinian government and it's supporters keep harping on about - “the UN resolutions ask for a peaceful solution”.

The Argentinian government should condemn the acts of violence that this group is involved with and openly admit to committing.
22 Brit Bob (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 10:22 am Report abuse
How are Argentine mothers going to visit their son's graves on the Falklands? Doh!
23 Escoses Doido (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 10:28 am Report abuse
muthas will have to take a boat innit
24 Islander1 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 10:50 am Report abuse
Bunch of nutters - as others have said- we all have them!
25 Escoses Doido (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 11:02 am Report abuse
“Mmmmm Betty”
26 Pirate Love (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 11:09 am Report abuse
terrorism........pure and simple, and argentinas government sponsor it!

but their efforts will not effect The Falklands soverignty one bit, carry on retards the world is also watching your government backed terror tactics........

SELF-DETERMINATION..........The argtard enigma!
27 Conqueror (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 11:24 am Report abuse
Wow, I've just found something new! I don't usually spend a lot of time checking on airlines but, in Wikipedia, it's the first time I've seen “accidents and incidents” as a separate article. Guess who. Aerolineas Argentinas! The article lists 32 “incidents” between 1950 and 1999. Did they stop reporting them after that?
On a serious note, what happens when an RAF Typhoon shoots an AA aircraft down for being in restricted airspace without authorisation? Or perhaps the Army will use a Rapier battery!
It's fair to remember that Buenos Aires refuses to contact the appropriate authorities for authorisation to fly to the Falkland Islands. The appropriate authorities being the Falkland Islands Government!
Moreover, it would be for the Falkland Islands Government to agree use of a “white card” for argie nationals.
Also, the status of the Islands has changed since 1971/2. Back then, the UK government could make such agreements. Now it can't.
Why is it that argies are always so far behind?
28 Think (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
TWIMC

The name is Lopez.
.... Toni Lopez
With an ”i”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx_63GnnOb0&feature=youtu.be
29 Bongo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:13 pm Report abuse
So he's Toni Lopez with an “i”. Does that suddenly add credibility to his rantings?
30 trenchtoast (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:15 pm Report abuse
Theres this pyromaniac buddy of Toni's, Marcelo Wytrykusz is his name. You know him he's always burning British flags. Fair enough, its a free world, but how did this nut job get invited to give a presentation to these school kids ?

on.fb.me/ZTEvOW
31 Clyde15 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
#28
What was that video all about - I see it received one comment.
To summarise, a few Argentinians get into a yacht and sail for the Malvinas. Due to faulty navigation, they arrive at the Falklands. They talk a lot,(in Spanish), flashbacks to the war, a few songs are sung, and then they come back. Some nice shots of dolphins. I admit that I did not watch the full 57 minutes but I had other things to do.
Maybe you can tell us what it was all about ?
32 Ratamacue (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
In any other civilised country jerks like him would be locked up. Ah, but it is Argentina!
33 Boovis (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
Let's make friends with Marcelo: www.facebook.com/marcelo.wytrykusz
34 manchesterlad (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
Using sticks & stones seems to be a legitimate way of protesting in Arg.....however they tried that yesterday when the city of BsAs tried to close down a ramshackled building next to a psychiatric hospital

After 8 arresrs & 36 injured they got a touch of their own medicine when the metro police started beating up on them.......hope the same happens to Toni (mafioso) Lopez!!!
35 Boovis (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.260878544049607.1073741832.100003823892575&type=1

In picture 3 it really, really looks like he's showing some schoolkids his dick. Seriously.
36 screenname (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
Tony Lopez really suits those US prison overalls

“the success of the campaign against cruise vessels calling in the Falklands”

Really?

This guy admits terrorist actions that his government do nothing about, which in turn he take to be a sanction from his government.

How exactly does this fit in with UN GA resolutions on the matter? After all, most of the Argentineans on this site seem to think UN GA resolutions are law. Does that mean he takes lack of action by the UN as approval of these methods?

How is anything he is doing acting in the interests of the Islanders?

If the FIG is illegitimate, than what would he think that would make any Argentinean governance? 250 miles of water between the Falklands and Argentina means the UN should not recognise any vote where the Islanders vote was swamped by trying to include it in some part of mainland South America, and any Argentinean population planted onto the islands without Islanders controlling immigration would equally go against UN documented opinion on recognised democracy.

These muppets really need to wake up.
37 andy65 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
I would love 5 minutes with this dirty looking old fart he would not be a happy man afterwards I can tell you,when did threats and intimidation become the rule of law.
38 ChrisR (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
There is only one way to describe 'Toni' (isn't that a girls name?) is:

HE'S A VERY NAUGHTY BOY!

I think that covers all the bases.
39 Lord Ton (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
Toni with an i ?? Isn't that a girls name ??
40 José Malvinero (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
Good idea. Why we need to help the pirates in our islands? Now, if flights are without passport with Aerolíneas Argentinas, maybe.
41 Monty69 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 02:36 pm Report abuse
40 José Malvinero

Good idea??? You think attacking private property with sticks and stones is 'good idea'?
And you don't need to 'help'us. When have we shown any need for help from Argentina? If you want to co-operate for mutual benefit, fine. If not, suit yourselves.
Get this into your head though; there will be now flights from Aerolineas Argentinas, and no entry for anyone without a passport.
42 Conqueror (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
@40 Aerolineas Argentinas? Unauthorised aircraft in Falklands airspace? Shoot it down. And just look, when we dredge it up, it's full of potential illegal immigrants. No valid identification. Just tip the corpses back into the sea.
43 ElaineB (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 02:44 pm Report abuse
You can see the reason for having a pointless, never to be achieved, cause to follow - even if it is only Wednesday lunch time. The alternative it to actually go to work. That really would go against the grain for CFK supporters.
44 JamesS (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
anyone want to be friends with Lopez ? www.facebook.com/eltonilopez?fref=ts
45 Chicureo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:04 pm Report abuse
#42 Conqueror,
I'm afraid your idea is somewhat impractical as LAN has to cross Argentinian Air space in order to reach the islands.

Also it seems now the Argentine government is planning to go ahead with an extensive proposal. From the press: An Argentine government spokesperson elaborated that Aerolineas Argentinas would be acquiring three Tupolev 154 modern aircraft to service the route. With a cruising speed of 975 kilometres per hour (606 mph), the Tu-154 is one of the fastest civilian aircraft in operation and has a range of 5,280 kilometres (3,280 mi). Capable of operating from unpaved and gravel airfields, it was widely used in extreme Arctic conditions where other airliners were unable to operate and where service facilities were very basic.

Alicia Castro, Ambassador to the United Kingdom in a post meeting conference, also mentioned that current plans of Aerolineas Argentinas will eventually include a connecting non-stop flight from Buenos Aries to London via a new proposed fleet of Tupovev 404 jumbo airliners to facilitate easier and timely access for passengers originating and arriving at Mount Pleasant. The changeover to an exclusive Tupolev fleet for Aerolineas Argentinas is part of the current government’s strategy to offset trade swap in goods instead of depending on obtaining international credit allowing for a complete modernization of the fleet. The TU154 connecting with the forth coming TU404 service will prove that Argentina is committed to its territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders.  

I  don't know if eliminating service from LAN Chile is a good idea, but the Argentines seem sincere... Plus, maybe this is the time to give CFK another chance to show that she only has the islander's best interests at heart. 
46 KFC de Pollo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
Poor Marcelo Wytrykusz. He's so conflicted. on one hand he know his government is full of crooks who lie to him, but on the other he believes those lies on the Falklands. He constantly links Anti Cristina things and says they are corrupt thieves.

Toni on the other hand is a pro k twat who believes all the crap he's fed from cristina.

Their meetings must be fun!
47 andy65 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
@ Chicureo I take it all this as to be approved by the FIG
48 El capitano (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
Man oh man...these Argie monkies just dont GET IT...There is a huge difference between scratching ones ass and tearing it all apart..Indeed Argentina a nation of morons and losers...!!
49 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
@45

No deal. No Argentine planes are welcome until after CFK and the Peronists are either on the run, or better still hung from a Gibbet outside Casa Rosada and being breakfast for Buenos Aires carrion.

Shouldn't be long, then all the Argentines can blame the corrupt CFK for ruining their “rightful” Malvinas claim, and “demand” sovereignty talks with the UK...

Yawn..
50 andy65 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
So Argentina can ban FI flagged ships from south American ports but they expect to be able to set up an air link from B.A to Mount pleasant
51 Clyde15 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
#45
So lets figure this out. Three TU154 aircraft which must be about 30 years old. Highly fuel inefficient, noisy and polluting.
TU 404. An aircraft, to my knowledge, which was a design study and has never been produced. Maybe it has stealth technology and we can't see it.
Of course they could get some magic carpets from their Iranian chums and Ms. Castro could serve sherbet on the maiden flights - no alcohol allowed. The toilet facilities would be a bit limited !
Argentinians being sincere ? Remember the saying “beware of Greeks bearing gifts ”
52 Britworker (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:04 pm Report abuse
@45
That all seemed to be a lot about what Argentina wants, my understanding is the Islanders are saying 'no dice'. Argentina is not capable of a benevolent act, everything they do is their own selfish interests, constantly plotting, thieving and scheming. I'm sure that a Uruguayan airline has been awarded a route.
53 Islander1 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
45- a few “problems”

It would be suicidal for the Falklands to allow an Argentine Airline in - they would promote cheap flights to get tourists and all ouside customers to stop using Lan or any other airline - to make that airline loose money and pull out.
Then Argentina would have the Falklands by the thrat as regards external communications - and sorry but those bastards had us by the throut for a while until 14th June 1982 - and NEVER again that mistake!
Secondly- Arg states that the Islands Government does not exist. In order for AN aitline to fly here from ANYWHERE in the world they have to approach and talk to and do business with and comply with- and thus recognise the existence of - Falkland Islands Govt Dept of Civil Aviation - this organisation is responsible for who and how flies here etc - nothing to do with London.
Somehow I think an Arg State owned airline will have a few little problems to overcome there?

Then landing etc - said airline is going to have to communicate with and accept the standards of the the Royal AirForce at MPA - as they own the runway and they decide whose aircraft is safely insured and meets correct Int Safety Standards to land on it - as it is the RAF who would have to scrape the mess up afterwards!
Yet another problem for an Arg State owned airline!

Passports - again NOTHING to do with London - Passport control and immigration regulations are 100% controlled and regulated by Falkland Islands Govt Immigration and Customs.

There will be lots of pigs and cows flying around the moon and somersaulting in the sky before an Arg State owned airline flies to the Falklands!
54 agent999 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
45 Chicureo

Nice one, but you forgot to mention all the Argentinian technology involved in the new 404.
55 andy65 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
Argentina made an approach to the Uk government about this awhile back and they were politely told to speak with The FIG who decide on these matters this should be interesting trying to speak to a group of people you say does not exist
56 Porto Margaret (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
#53 well said.

Flying using white cards...... nah....it's going to be flying white flags, Toni !
57 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
#45 and anyone interested

This Tupolev 404 is a crazy concept airliner, I guarantee it will NEVER exist in reality, well in our reality, not necesarily malvinista reality.

Check out the bad boy!

www.testpilot.ru/russia/tupolev/404/404_e.htm

6 push turboprops, oh yeah!

Actually I love Russian aircraft and the crazier the better, Caspian sea Monster anyone? but this is too crazy to be realistic.
58 Think (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:37 pm Report abuse
(45) Chicureo

I can see that you are recycling your April fool’s ”Tupolev-154” prank from last year…..
en.mercopress.com/2012/04/24/argentina-formalizes-proposal-for-air-link-with-falklands-and-resumption-of-fisheries-cooperation#comment116079

And that the Anglo Turnips are buying it ……………………………. AGAIN!

Kelper Joe Bloggs will be here any minute insulting you and explaining to us all that the TU-154’s are a bit outdated ;-)))
59 andy65 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
@ Think the only Turnips are the ones 25% of Argentines can not afford to buy poor poor Argentines. how are the food price controls going????
60 ChrisR (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
This comes up from time to time but you can understand why: the existing fleet of Aerolineas is decrepid and a lot of it is unusable for its intended purposes. Despite 'I don't Think' and his Turnip comments here it is:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Z2dO14ApE
10 years in storage and this is the first flight. You can see the landing gear is down for all the flight: this pilot is no idiot! Fantastic flying considering it looks like most of the tail and fin had no control surfaces working.

Facts:
”The Tu-154 first flew on October 4 1968. The first production example was delivered to Aeroflot in early 1971, although regular commercial service did not begin until February 1972.
Three Kuznetsov powered variants of the Tu-154 were built, the initial Tu-154, the improved Tu-154A with more powerful engines and a higher max takeoff weight, and the Tu-154B with a further increased max takeoff weight. Tu-154S is a freighter version of the Tu-154B.
Current production is of the Tu-154M, which first flew in 1982. The major change introduced on the M was the far more economical, quieter and reliable Soloviev (now Aviadvigatel) turbofans. Low rate production continues. Meanwhile the proposed Tu-154M-2 with two PS-90A turbofans remains unbuilt.“
www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=376

I hope the argies replace their entire airplane fleet with this rubbish. Nobody in their right mind would fly in one of these things, especially one ”maintained” by the argies.

Perhaps they will buy them from their mates the Iranians, they have quite a few of them for obvious reasons.

The Tupolev 404 remains an unfulfilled concept for 1,200 passengers with a canard wing design. I cannot find any evidence of one ever being built or flown. Perhaps Putridjelli has secret plans to capture the worlds mass transit capacity with them built alongside the fabled ICBM, non-nuclear warhead of course.
61 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
Toni ?? Lopez?

Previously a 'Cabana Boy' with a name like that??

What a piece of work - a self admitted, state-sponsored terrorist.
He already has the orange prison jumpsuit!
Do they only let him out on Wednesdays to carry out his 'Community Service' work ??

How has Len Chile reacted to this?
62 Chicureo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
#51
Clyde, with all respect, too much negative thinking on your part.  First, the T-154 has a solid proven track record for reliability under some of the harshest weather conditions on earth.  Used in a number of countries, Its ability to land on unpaved and gravel airfields allows it the flexibility to make emergency landings at a number of alternative airports.  Plus I understand these planes have been completely refurbished.  Regarding the T- 404, you need to be reminded that any new aircraft needs to be ordered well in advance and Ambassador Castro did say in the future.  Face it Clyde, your erroneous information is about as reliable as the IMF's assesment of what actual inflation is in Latin America.  Anyway, the T- 154 has several important advantages, such as it  can be acquired using an offset trade swap instead of attempting to obtain international credit and it's  highly doubtful the aircraft would be a target of asset seizures. You can't say that about most commercial aircraft.
#40
From what I understand José, your Peronist dreams are coming true as indeed it would undeed be Aerolíneas Argentinas and the Government would issue complementary citizenship to all legitimate inhabitants of the islands.  Therefore All Argentinians would be allowed to use the white card, and only foreigners would be required to use a passport. (Chileans and other residents of other Latin countries of course could use their national identification cards.)

#53
Islander, your comments are exactly why there has been no progress on negotiations. You find too many technical and picky details that really reflect a negative attitude of finding solutions.

#57
Surfer, are you doubting the validity of information being released by the Argentinian government?

#58
Think, you of all people! Obviously it's not April 1st and I'd prefer you just keep your observations to yourself.

#60
Chris, there are still a large number of airlines still using reliable versions of the Tu-154.
63 Ernie4001 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:13 pm Report abuse
Unemployed idiots are everywhere and this is not the exemption, with all the problems that Argentina has, there are still some mental handicapped guys thinking that a fourth class airline ( AA ) will be able to run a weekly flight to Stanley instead a first class one .
64 Trunce (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
The Tupolev 204 would be more suitable for its ability to land alternative sites - roads etc.

youtu.be/5yu_XCEFCQM
65 Chicureo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
#64

Trunce, you're right, but due to current economical difficulties, it is not as cost effective as acquiring the refurbished Tu-154s which are being offered at very reasonable costs without using valuable hard currency.

The misinformed doubters of the the new Tu-404s don't seem to get it through their thick heads that the Argentinian economy will be again one of the world's greatest and at that time, AA will be in the financial position to purchase the new super jumbo.

Also, just because its not being openly publicized, doesn't mean it's not in it's final development stages. Even Boeing is secretly working to develop a new cunard airliner similar to the Tu-404 concept and keeping their mouths shut about it.
  
“Boeing’s much proclaimed future commercial airliner project, the Sonic Cruiser. The underlying impression was that the Mach 0.98 aircraft is nothing more than a smokescreen for a totally different design in the 250-seat range with a changed appearance to that currently put out by the Seattle giant. In fact, there was little on which to base such an assumption. Boeing continued to remain tight-lipped on the design.”

www.aviation-news.co.uk/archive/sonic_cruiser.html

I'm really disappointed about the hostile negativity on both sides of this debate.
66 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
@65 Chicureo

“I'm really disappointed about the hostile negativity on both sides of this debate.”

I'm not sure what you expect?
What point were you trying to make with your comments about Castro's wild proposal?

For a start, the aircraft you talk about are highly questionable - the aging and perhaps dangerous AA T-154's and then the entirely speculative 404's !!

The whole package sounds like a fantasy - and it's being out forward combined with a highly suspect pledge from a hostile government that is waging state-sponsored terrorism against other commercial carriers and British Commonwealth vessels with a publically stated goal of undermining or crippling the economy and viability of the Falklands.

I suppose we are being unreasonable...
67 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
Chicureo, I appreciate your optimism in the field of aviation however.....

That link you posted regarding the sonic cruiser is old
68 briton (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
Demanding that Aerolineas Argentinas takes over the weekly flight to the Islands and that passports be eliminated for Argentine nationals.

Apparently
Mr toni has other demands of the Falklanders
He wants
FREE travel for Argies
On busses and trains
FREE luncheon vouchers for Argentine nationals
FREE airline tickets for Argentine nationals
FREE cinema tickets for Argentine nationals
FREE swimming lessons for Argentine nationals
Oh and FREE benefits for Argentine nationals
,,,,,,,,, don’t want a lot does our, mr toni,,,
Ha ha lol
.
69 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
Chicureo, can I quote you to look at this in more detail:

“The misinformed doubters of the the new Tu-404s don't seem to get it through their thick heads that the Argentinian economy will be again one of the world's greatest and at that time, AA will be in the financial position to purchase the new super jumbo. ”

There ARE no new TU404s, it doesn't exist, the project was started in 1991, no prototype has ever been built, it doesn't exist and never will.

“Also, just because its not being openly publicized, doesn't mean it's not in it's final development stages. Even Boeing is secretly working to develop a new cunard airliner similar to the Tu-404 concept and keeping their mouths shut about it.”
  
“Boeing’s much proclaimed future commercial airliner project, the Sonic Cruiser. The underlying impression was that the Mach 0.98 aircraft is nothing more than a smokescreen for a totally different design in the 250-seat range with a changed appearance to that currently put out by the Seattle giant. In fact, there was little on which to base such an assumption. Boeing continued to remain tight-lipped on the design.”

This was news regarding a prototype being conceived around 2001, it was shelved in 2002.

Chicureo you are basically trying to fulfill a fantasy based on archived news on projects that literally didn't get off the ground, I'd give up dreaming if I were you.
70 Trunce (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse
@65

Chicureo - agreed you logic is irrefutable. Ignore the doubters who fail to realise the reality of Argentinas ascendancy.

Argentina has for some time patrolled over Las Malvinas with total impunity, thanks to their newest stealth fighter. It is rumoured that a copy of Photoshop was incuded as part of the aquisition.

m.upi.com/story/UPI-5541360782836/
71 andy65 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
@Chicureo Perhaps Aerolines Argentines could hire some of these TU154s from Air Koryo the North Korean national airline after all both countries seem to have a lot in common
72 briton (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
It really does not matter how big, how great , how fast , how advanced a passenger plane is,

We think that Argentina should have no control or interest in flying anybody to the Falklands what so ever,
This has nothing what so ever to being negative or uncooperative,

Its basic common sense,
CFK cannot be trusted,
If it is not used in some tiny weenie way for the military,
It would be used as a threatening and bargaining tool,
You all know it,
And so do us,
Leave things as they are,
If its not broken ,why break it.
.
73 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
Chicureo, it's all about economics, not vanity, Boeing/Airbus/Tupolev are not trying to be faster or higher, they are trying to be more efficient.

That is why Boeing cancelled the sonic cruiser in 2002 (after your article was penned) they instead developed the 787, this has had some teething problems but it definitely does exist and is flying today.
74 Think (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
(65) Chicureo

And I that was under the impression that Chilean officers where a bunch of humourless, slavish blind obedient prussian-like automatons ;-)
75 slattzzz (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
three words “ fuck off loser” simple why even give air time to idiots you can spout all day but nothing will change, get over it , move on, simples!!!
76 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
@74think


And I that was under the impression that Chilean officers where a bunch of humourless, slavish blind obedient prussian-like automatons ;-)”

No, that's the Argentines and Venexuelans.

:-)
77 andy65 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
@ Think, Don't like to piss on you Think but tell us all what it's like to have to flee your own country in search of a better life?? We are waiting
78 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
I know it's sad but I would find some amusement in hearing from Chichureo with another crazy superplane with some ancient hobbyist article to confirm it ;-)

I'm amazed someone could be so delusional they can dig up some old nonsense to justify their dreams...
79 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
@77andy

“Think, but tell us all what it's like to have to flee your own country in search of a better life??”

'Operation Condor', criminal record,
or just a bitter angry ex-wife??
80 andy65 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
TU154 seems to be a favourite with inward thinking countries

www.youtube.com/watch?v=e094zOU5T9E
81 slattzzz (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:40 pm Report abuse
Arggh poor stink alias doderyover dover and a few others what a turnip
82 briton (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
so does this toni, then think violence and intimidation with the full knowledge from the CFK goverment is going to work,

we thinks mr toni has more chance of the pope poping in for tea.lol.
83 Islander1 (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
Chico- everything I pointed out is not actually picky detail - all happen to be standard legal facts!
As for why negotiations have never started? - Do please tell me:

WHO at the UN made a verbal and written off to the Arg President to sit down across the table from her Govt and start to discuss bilateral matters of mutual benfit?
Who also offerred to meet with her Foreign Minister recently in London for a 3-way meeting in the prescence of the British Foreign Minister?
When people who are on opposite side want to talk and communicate in a peaceful manner - you start talks with matter of mutual interest in areas where you are likley to be able to find agreement - as a means of Breaking-the-Ice and to at least start to try and build confidence and trust - both of which Arg has worked hard to succcessfully destroy since 2002.
Trouble is Arg has not the faintest clue about how to carry out Diplomacy.
84 HansNiesund (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
I've got to support chicureo here. The TU-154 is without a shadow of a doubt the best aeroplane you can swap agricultural produce for, while the 404 is known for having inspired the most common error message on the Internet.
85 briton (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
After all
even the silly obstinate north koreans WILL come to the table to talk,

so stop trying to make out your something special
either grow up and talk,
or go away and take ya childish amaturist terrorist with you.
86 slattzzz (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
@85 well said
87 briton (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:57 pm Report abuse
Poor toni ????????

Still,
He is here everyday at 5pm with his ice-cream van..lol.
.
88 Chicureo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 08:58 pm Report abuse
#66 Troy, both you and several others question the viability of older aircraft, but I would remind you that there are several “outdated” airframes that are still considered very reliable. Air Koryo has been using the Tu-154 as the backbone of its fleet for decades! By the way, your direct service from the UK has been using old Lockheed TriStars that first flew over 43 years ago and were originally owned by PanAm.
And yes, the price will be cheaper than LAN as they will fly a shorter distance, and the equipment purchase cost of a refurbished 767 is far above a 154. Plus, islanders won't have to put up with obnoxious Chileans, who I can personally attest are always boasting how they have the better wine and certainly superior seafood than Argentina.
Regarding the 404. The ambassador Castro did say “eventually” and “future proposed fleet”

#64 I was really impressed with the video you posted. Sort of says it all about the reliability and comfort of Russian aircraft landing on icy runways. Thanks for posting.

#74 All helps with a bottle of Famous Grouse at my side.

#78
Surfer, me delusional. How about those Chileans who think they have the best country in South America?
89 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
Chichureo, don't change the subject.

So what's happened to all this big talk about these sonic cruisers/tu-404s??

All your posts are still on this page you know, delusional still stands I'm afraid.

This is the internet, you CAN'T admit you were wrong (even though you are, and were indeed, wrong).
90 briton (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
why disguss whay will not happen,
chile will do a good job,
or the RAF will,

the point of this blog is
will toni be happy with the outcome. not lol.
91 Trunce (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
@88 Chicureo

Your point about reliability of older airframes is well made. Below link says it all.

www.airlinereporter.com/2013/02/last-tupolev-tu-154-delivered-today-six-years-after-production-ceases/
92 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Chichureo, OK, OK, I remember you know.... I don't frequent this forum enough obviously, I apologise for banging on about the planes, you got me!

You're too good man, well played!! doh!
93 Chicureo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
#83
As a youth, I learned in the academy how to successfully negotiate with Argentinians as well as to admire my Admiral Merino in how to deter their territorial misunderstandings. You can successfully deal with them!
#84
Hans, you are even ahead of me. Thank you for clarifying the economics.
#89
Surfer, wake up and enjoy the wave before it collapses. Boeing successfully used that ruse to confuse Air Bus about the development of the Dreamliner. Which curiously is the equivalent in Russian for the 404.
94 surfer (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
#93 Yes, yes, very good, I forgot your humour... Too subtle for me on a boozy Saturday eve...
95 Think (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
(93)

Good old Toribio.......
He liked the Grouse too, you know?....
An old picture of the two of them together....

s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/original_305866_WBOYQkAGRR7RCbV4F1qPIozn4.jpg
96 Trunce (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Good fun. Off to bed now- it's late in Bucharest. It will be better next year in UK time zone.
97 Chicureo (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
#94
Surfer, glad you caught the wave.
#95
Very good! Yes, that's a valid depiction. I never liked him and didn't attend the funeral. He was a real SOB who never allowed officers to stand at ease around him.
98 ChrisR (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
88 Chicureo

Just a final question from me.

If this TU 154 idea EVER came about and you wanted to fly somewhere and only an argie maintained 'refurbished’ TU 154 was available WOULD YOU FLY IN IT AND ALLOW YOUR FAMILY TO FLY IN IT.

Perhaps you know more than me about the metallurgy of aircraft metals and the fatigue problems brought about by the reversal stresses on takeoff and landings, not to mention the hoop stress reversals on the fuselage due to pressurised cabins. Who knows, you just might. :o)

LOLs
99 Beef (#) Apr 27th, 2013 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
Protest at lunch time. I imagine the Argies who can afford lunch would rather eat and those who can't afford it would rather try to find some.

I would rather sit down and eat my perfectly cooked lamb than protest about the UK to a Chilean airline.
100 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 12:12 am Report abuse
#98
Chris, as much as de Havilland DH 106 Comet .
In all fairness, as Trunce points out, the Tu-154 has an impressive saftey record, but I prefer Boeings and Airbus...
Whithout reservation, I would advise everyone to avoid flying AA.
101 agent999 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 12:37 am Report abuse
@ Chicureo

You forgot to tell everyone about the new Island hopping service that is also going to be introduced.

www.airliners.net/photo/Short-S-25-Sunderland/1319386/&sid=93d40a4a2ae15d0e8b877f9caa091071

i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i423/nuuumannn/MoTaT/SolentInterior009s.jpg

i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i423/nuuumannn/MoTaT/SolentInterior005s.jpg

i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i423/nuuumannn/MoTaT/SolentInterior001s.jpg
102 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:02 am Report abuse
#101
Mister 999, has it been approved by the Falklands Islands Government Civil Aviation Ministry? Do the aircraft have FIG landing permits for landing on the waters there? And also, can you please assure me that white slips will be usable for the immigration authorities there? Don't try and pull a fast one on the group here, they're pretty astute on details.
103 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:39 am Report abuse
(102) Chicureo

You say....:
“Don't try and pull a fast one on the group here, they're pretty astute on details.”

I say....:
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
104 manchesterlad (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:30 am Report abuse
Can't end the evening without saying how proud I am of Martin Murray, a Lancashire lad who came into the lion's den (Velez Stadium) & in front of 40,000 rabid fans of his opponent Maravilla Martinez & put on one of the most disciplined , clinical & one sided performances that I have seen in a boxing ring in a long time.

However, even after knocking Martinez down 4 times, leaving him ragged & bleeding from one eye........the decision went to not so maravilla Martinez

Just goes to show that there's corruption at every level in Arg!!!
105 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:32 am Report abuse
They were just amazing today. What's the saying? Fool me once...“ you would have thought that the choice of the aircraft would have made it again just too ridiculous to believe, but instead it only incited more indignation... including statements like the Argentines would need to obtain permission from the FIG first and that the Tu-404 did not exist.
The Grouse continued to cheer me on and I just kept adding on the most outrageous commentary, such as ” it's highly doubtful the aircraft would be a target of asset seizures”
Next time I'll try the help from a nice Cabernet...
106 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:04 am Report abuse
@83

I'm not understanding what sort of diplomacy is needed between Argentina and the Falkland's authorities.

Last I checked, you remain British territory as desired. Last time I checked, you have economic benefits over your EEZ. Both issues are non-negotiable and you hold the cards militarily.

What on Earth is there left to discuss? The only conclusion I can draw is the UK wants to interfere in our waters, territory, and laws.

Not sure why you people expect us to put our territory up to your whims.
107 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:56 am Report abuse
(105) Chicureo

It was undoubtedly your choice of aircraft that triggered the inferiority complex of them “angelsächsischem” Turnips ….

That beautiful TU-154……
A tribute to Russian ingenuity and common sense......
www.airlinereporter.com/2011/11/the-lucky-tupolev-tu-154-alrosa-flight-514-crash-and-recovery/

As sturdy as the T-34……
As innovative the Sputnik....
As faithfull as my humble 1956 Shturmanskie….
Steadily ticking at 18,000 vph, without ever having been serviced!
108 Redrow (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:39 am Report abuse
Yes Think, apart from atomic theory, the theories of gravity and evolution, computers, antibiotics, vaccination, structure of DNA, parliamentary democracy, habeas corpus, flying boats, jump jets and trains - what exactly have the inferior Brits ever done for the world? Oh and graphene and IVF and animal cloning.
Bunch of losers.

And yes there's been plenty of failures along the way too but at least we have the sack to try. I'd be interested to know what you think the rest of the world should be grateful to Argentina for?
109 CaptainSilver (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:19 am Report abuse
You forgot the internet radio tv and telephones.

Argentina - corned beef?
110 Conqueror (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:26 am Report abuse
@45 Impractical you say. Why? Take a look at the LAN Chile fleet. As of the latest info, the average age of its aircraft is around 5 years. Nice, modern, up-to-date aircraft. All the Airbus aircraft in the A320 “family” have a range around 3,700 miles, whilst the Airbus A340-300 has a range of 8,500 miles. Whilst Boeing ranges are between 7,000 and 10,000 miles. Now look at a map and tell me why a flight couldn't go around. Also, if you do some research, you'll find that the Tu154 is a very OLD aircraft. So old that Aeroflot have retired it. And the TU404. The only aircraft I can find with that designation were a super jumb0 designed to carry around 1,200 passengers, it only got as far as being a “concept”. and a fake. Just think about it. The largest airliner in the world, the Airbus A380, has a maximum capacity of 853 passengers. And airliners have to meet certain criteria. For instance, they have to fit on taxiways, without hitting nearby buildings and other aircraft. The have to be able to use boarding tubes (jetways). No, your Tu404 is pie in the sky. Probably the Martian sky.
@62 Reliable? How reliable? As of January 2011, there have been 110 serious incidents involving the Tu154 with 69 hull losses. And only 30 didn't involve fatalities.
111 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:38 am Report abuse
Redrow

Question is, what have YOU done for the world? You lot always take credit for other peoples work...

Did you come with an input regarding the atominc theory? No.
Did you improve or invent computers? No.
Did you have anything to add on the theories of gravity and evolution? No.
Have you achieved anything in the areas of vaccination and DNA? No.

I could go on forever.

Other peoples achievement are NOT your achienvements.
It's their work, their time and all credit goes to them.
You had nothing to do with it, and the only thing you have in common is that you were born in the same country.

In Uruguay we call your syndrome “orgullo de bobo”...
112 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:58 am Report abuse
(108) Redrow

Anglos have fairly contributed to the scientific and technical development of our world but....

Please stop exhibiting your turnipy Angelsächsisch inferiority complex in such a gross mode........

Every single one of the theories, inventions and systems you mention above have their roots & origins outside Angleterre and have been previously “Discovered” by others than the goddam Anglos....
113 LEPRecon (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:12 am Report abuse
@108 - Redrow

You also forgot to mention ejection seats for pilots, the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', fair trials, juries of 12 peers to decided the verdict.

Oh, and the industrial revolution, which by EVERY nation on earth benefited. And the world wide web.

Then lets not forget the television, the telephone etc...

You also seem to have hit a nerve with the Argentines trolls on here, espeically Think.

Do you see how he gets so angry because he knows that everytime he uses a computer, everytime he goes on line, he knows that he is using inventions of British people.

I particularly like this bit of his post: “Every single one of the theories, inventions and systems you mention above have their roots & origins outside Angleterre and have been previously “Discovered” by others than the goddam Anglos....”

His inferiority complex is really showing through here.

@111 Stevie

And just what have YOU done for the world to look down so on other people?

Better yet, what has Argentina done for the World? You and your fellow trolls always like to slag off the British, but yet Argentina is hardly a shining beacon of peace, intellectualism, and philanthropy, is it?
114 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:20 am Report abuse
LEP

Me? I develop eolic energy, amongst other things I wont discuss here. I don't invent the wheel, merely make it more effective in order to offer future generations renewable energy.

Argentina is a coutry. She can't do much for the world. As little as France can. Another country. Or Finland. Which is yet another country.

What do you do for the world, LEP? Or do you live of taking credit for other peoples achievements too, like Redrow?
115 Redrow (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:46 am Report abuse
@111 and 112

Oh I forget to mention the contraceptive pill, tamoxifen, beta blockers, Viagra and anti-ulcer treatments. What about DNA fingerprinting?

No I haven't personally won a Nobel Prize Stevie that is true. But my country and indeed my city has won a ton of the them, two in the last 3 years, so we have every reason to be proud and no reason to feel inferior.

I understand your envy, it must be sickening to see lists of all the positive things your enemy has contributed to the world. However, good science is collaborative and Argentina should be contributing to this as well. However, to do so you would need an education system that teaches children to question and challenge, as well as a stable funding base that can maintain a steady research output from which the big discoveries occasionally emerge. Instead Argentina teaches its children fairy stories about Las Malvinas and is attempting to economically wipe out its middle class who include the very scientists and technologists we are discussing.
116 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:49 am Report abuse
Redrow
I don't envy you for seeing everybody around you being productive and actually doing something for humanity all while you take credit for it...

British scientists aren't my enemies.
British military are, and they have come up with nothing but different ways to make people suffer.
117 Steveu (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:51 am Report abuse
My guess on this is that S America has more to lose if the LAN Chile flight got pulled

The Falklands would still be serviced from Ascension and also St Helena when the new airport is ready (assuming that it can take big jets). It would be a shame if links were cut with South America as the Falklands long history has never been isolationist - this has been forced on them by others who prefer to believe in a myth cooked up in the 1940's.

Fortunately Chile is sensible and could still fly to MPA avoiding Arg airspace but it would require more time and fuel and risk breaking “solidarity” with its “friendly” neighbour.
118 Clyde15 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:53 am Report abuse
#62
Yes the TU 154 is a tough aircraft suitable for unsophisticated and rough landing areas. Is this what Argentina's airfields are like ?
Mt.Pleasant's runway is up to international standards and can take wide bodied long-haul jets.
I have not checked this out, but I believe the TU 154 would fail noise and pollution requirements at European and USA airports.
The TU 404 is a joke as far as commercial production is concerned. There is no requirement for it by any current airline
now or in the immediate future.
#100
The Comet paid the price for being the first in its field and the lessons learned were used by other aircraft manufacturers - mainly Boeing. It led to British built airliners being being strengthened far above requirements. The VC10's airframe has a life of three times that of a Boeing 707.

As to who invented what, most inventions have been based on work and thoughts from different sources. It is a pointless argument. The best definition is who actually made it work in a practical way.
119 Faz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse
And. Football, invented by Charles I as a soporific to keep the masses on Sundays. Then, there's the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who, Elton John,... I could continue for hours. And what have we got from Argentina? Corned beef! Oh no! We, the British did that too.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corned beef Oh well, there is the Tango
120 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:09 am Report abuse
Faz
You fail miserably in your inventions. Now you try to invent a way to take credit for other peoples inventions (Elton John???), but you fail there too.

Redrow beat you to it...
121 Redrow (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:14 am Report abuse
Stevie
Think accused “Anglos” of having an inferiority complex. I'm simply pointing out that we Brits (I'm not English) are proud of our achievements while not being blind to our failings. You accuse me of a lack of productivity when you know absolutely nothing about me. If you really are working on wind energy then good luck with that - God knows that Argentina will need the energy. Also you might consider coming to Western Europe where we also lead the world on wind energy.

As for the UK military, they are no threat to you at all. They are simply protecting the Falkland Islanders from anyone who would threaten them. Would you agree though that the current “suffering” of the Argentine people is not due to the UK military but to the Kirchner government?
122 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:26 am Report abuse
Newtons achievements aren't yours Redrow. There is a reason forces are measured in Newton, not Redrows...

And the UK doesn't lead anything in the field of eolic energy. The Danes and the Swedes do, with Uruguay being the one nation that produces most of its percentual consumption from it.

Not all Danes can say it's their achievement.
Not all Swedes can say it's their achievement.
Not all Uruguayans can say it's their achievement.

The UK military invades nations in order to steal natural resources. This without a UN resolution. I have all reasons in the world to see them as a threat. Not against me perhaps, but against humanity.

Just as Faraday did good to humanity. And La Place. Fourier. Newton. Tesla. Watt. Ampere. von Siemens. Curie.
No Redrows.

What were the Brits doing while the Romans were building aqueducts?
Not a fair question, is it?
123 LEPRecon (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:29 am Report abuse
@114 & @116 @120 Stevie

You and your fellow trolls are the ones slagging off 'Anglos'.

By the way are YOU taking credit for developing eolic engery all by yourself? Shame on you!

Perhaps you are part of a team working for the development of eolic engery in your country, but no ONE person developed it.

By the way the British military don't make weapons. That would be defense contractors who employ SCIENTISTS. By the way what about the military in Argentina? They found new and creative ways of mudering unarmed people, didn't they?

And the fact that you don't understand that SIMPLE fact makes me believe that you are completely naive, stupid, brainwashed or all 3. It certainly doesn't give me any confidence that you can develop your own energy.

Most of the developments in history have been a by-product of war. That goes all the way back to when the 1st man picked up a rock and hit a 2nd man over the head. Hardly the fault of the 'British'. That's human nature.

When people make inventions or discoveries, it takes a certain type of person to connect the dots to understand why A affects B which leads to C and then to D. Like vaccinations. Not an invention, but a discovery. But Jenner was the 1st person to realise that milk maids didn't catch smallpox, because they had cowpox (vaccinia). He was the 1st person who realised that the mild cowpox virus could ramp up the immune system to protect against smallpox. Vaccinia from which we get the word Vaccine.

Same as gravity. Everybody knew that when you dropped something it fell to the ground, but no one could explain why, until Sir Issac Newton put his mind to it, and asked the question, then found the answer.

Redrow and others, such as myself, aren't taking credit for what others have done (unlike you appear to be) we are just pointing out what the British have given to the world.

You have yet to give us any answer to what Argentina has given the world. We're waiting....
124 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:41 am Report abuse
Lep
It was not “the British” that gave the theory of gravity to the world. t was Newton, a Brit.

You take credit in general when it comes to inventions and discoveries, but Blair was on his own, wasn't he? No “the British”there...

I take credit for maximising the efficiency of machines developed by other people in other nations. Nothing more. And other people will maximise them even further.

Germany didn't invent the Diesel engine. Diesel did.

Argentina is still a country.
125 Faz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:43 am Report abuse
I told Stevie..... Tango!
126 Redrow (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:46 am Report abuse
@stevie

We lived in mud huts and painted our faces. And your point is?

Then more than a millennium later we began to distill Arabian algebra, astronomy and castle design, Chinese gunpowder, Greek democracy and architecture and Irish scholarship etc etc and produced a series of huge leaps forward.

West Europe I said for wind energy - it's well documented.

And the UK military in 2013 is not a threat to humanity nor to the resources of non-UK sovereign territory.
127 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:59 am Report abuse
Redrow
My point is that when most of these discoveries an inventions you are talking about were made, the South American nations didn't even exist as we know them today.
Just as the Romans developed a lot while you were in huts painting your faces.

It is hard to develop anything if you don't have the means to do so, and the fact that people are busy feeding their families doesn't mean the ability isn't there. There are far more important matters to take care of, sadly.
Just like your painted faces.

With the eolic energy you seem to stretch your borders from “the British” to “the West Europeans”. How convenient of you...
128 Faz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
But... Most of these inventions were made in the 20th century after Argentina was created. Since then, only the tango...
129 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:07 am Report abuse
(115) Redrow....
You say....:
“Good science is collaborative and Argentina should be contributing to this as well. However, to do so you would need an education system that teaches children to question and challenge.....”

I say....:
“Question and Challenge” is indeed the basis of good science and intelligence....
And that’s precisely what you Turnips in here are lacking....
You don’t question, you don’t challenge, you don’t think…
Want an example?
Read the turnipy responses to Mr. Chicureo's prank at (45)
None of them Anglo Turnips cared to “Question or Challenge” the veracity of his evident joke….
Not even after being warned by Mr. Think at (58)…

Ps:
And please...., stop flashing your Angelsächsische inferiority complex by taking “English” credit for all the “Collaborative Inventions and Discoveries” you mention above…..
130 briton (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:09 am Report abuse
mind youit was the Africans that invented the bow and arrow , the spear , fire/flint throwing stones,
and all between lunch and pulling the hair of her indoors.
lolol.
131 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:10 am Report abuse
Faz
South America under the oligarchy will be as creative as Europe was under feodalism.
Just look at how much South America improved the last ten years.
And still we are fighting the oligarchs.
And you lot are helping them.

Or are you suggesting it's about racial differences?
132 Philippe (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:14 am Report abuse
Should the troublemaking malvinazi “Resistencia Malvinas” succeed in doing
anything against LAN, Chile (and the people of Punta Arenas) could: 1) Close down
the Argentinean Consulate in Punta Arenas, which is a notorious spies' nest;
2) Rename Calle Roca, General Nilo Floody.

Philippe
133 War Monkey (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:18 am Report abuse
@51 Clyde15 (#)
Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:55 pm

I think he was being ironic.
134 Redrow (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
@127
I completely agree with this post which is precisely why I found it odd that Think was accusing “Anglos” of having an inferiority complex! I find it very sad indeed that your people are suffering but they are not suffering because of me, the UK or even the UK military - they are suffering because of who they choose to lead them. They want the wealth and long-term success of Europe but without having to go through the centuries of plague and graft and war and struggle that forged the industrial and scientific revolution here. (We in Europe forgot our own lesson a decade ago and spent what we had not earned - Northern Europe is currently unwinding this excess).

And yes Britain, Germany and Scandinavia (western europe like i said) are world leaders in developing renewables, but no this isn't my area so it is not due to me personally.
135 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
I think credit is being given where it's due.

Latam leads the worlds in a whole number of areas:

Cowardice
Laziness
Deceit
Dishonour
Dishonesty
Misplaced arrogance
Corruption
Humiliation
Harbouring Nazis
Defecating in post offices
Playing the Victim
Rewriting history
Blaming someone else

Etc etc etc.

Not racial differences Stevie, social differences. I am sure if you took an Argentine child out of Argentina and gave him an excellent education and opportunities to learn in some of the best Universities in the world, he could/would be no differently creative to a British child.

However, if you take that same Argentine child, and fill his head with ludicrous propoganda, send him to a shit school which preaches more dogma, teach him at home that laziness, cheating, or biting and blaming someone is the best way “to get on”, it's hardly surprising that that child isn't cracking the cure for cancer.

It's not a racial thing Stevie, it's a social thing, your posts (and Stinks) are absolute examples of why there is nothing of value invented in your two country's, it's your childish..“we were tricked”, “you're holding us back”, “it was the Junta”, “if only blah”.....PATHETIC.

Britains ills are our fault, Uruguays and Argentinas are their.
Britains successes are ours too...Uruguay and Argentina don't have many.
136 agent999 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:47 am Report abuse
And back on topic.

Will Resistencia Malvinas be able to stop the Lan Chile’s flights to the Falkland Islands ?

Is Resistencia Malvinas anything more than a group of thugs ?

Does the Argentinian government support this group of self confessed terrorists ?
137 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
TWIMC
You can monitor all Toni's movements here ;-)
www.facebook.com/resistenciamalvinas2013
138 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:59 am Report abuse
Sorry, back off topic again...but this argument from Stevie has made me chuckle..

The lack of innovation in Latam is due to the fact they “haven't had the opportunity” because 200 years of independence, massive natural resources and European populations has “held them back”.

USA....cough
Canada...cough cough
Australia....cough cough
south Africa...splutter
New Zealand..cough

Nope, it's only Latam that tries to find an excuse, all the others took the massive opportunity given to them and have developed innovative, educated (ok not the Aussie Lol), and generally productive states which have many many clear examples of adding to the knowledge of mankind...but Latam was tricked, held back, it was the Anglos, the Juntas, the oligarchs, the boogie man.

Imagine a citizen from the US suggesting that their Ivy League Universities weren't a match for Oxbridge because they'd not had the opportunity.

In the 1850s, LATAm had the opportunity to exceed north America....and you all pissied away, and then you pissed it away again and again....and you continue to piss it away...

Why? I'm guessing it's someone else's fault LOL.
139 darragh (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 12:00 pm Report abuse
Nobel prizes for Science

UK - 94
Argentina - 3
140 ChrisR (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
58 Think

No, I ignored 'your advice' because that is the only sensible thing to do in my experience although I made reference to you. See @60 ChrisR.
141 Faz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
By standing by, the Rg government is supporting them. Everyone has the right to protest, but, there are limits.

You can't take anything that Toby and Stink say seriously, they are just government funded trolls. They argue black is white. At least Stink is more subtle or slimy depending g on your pov. Toby is just a nutter.

We don't support oligarchy, and we have practicaly no influence in SA whatsoever. Rgs European masters are still Italy where their morals come from, and Spain for culture. The chaotic streak comes from Italy too.
142 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
@139

And the USA has more than anyone, but their country got independence around the same time...and they haven't existed in their current state since Hawaii joined them..

Maybe they weren't tricked by Stevies boogie man...LOL
143 trenchtoast (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
Nice one of Toni here.

on.fb.me/15RtrZT

He'd be joining Tevez on litter patrol if he did this in the UK.
144 ChrisR (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
”In the capital of Argentina Tony(still no i) Lopez said Thatcher should have been jailed.

“We regret that Mrs. Thatcher has died unpunished, and has not not paid for her crimes. Augusto Pinochet also managed to die without being tried and convicted,” said Lopez, referring to the late Chilean dictator.“

I was taught a very simple trick of how to deal with thugs like this as long as they are on their own. The technique is aided by ”Gorgeous Toni” having a ponytail. :o)

The trouble is, because they are cowardly argies, they never go round anywhere unless they are in gangs.

What would be really funny of course is that these twats took 'offence' at the rugby fans and tried something on. I would pay good money to see the video of how that turned out: BOTH sets of fans kicking the crap out of “Gorgeous Toni”.
145 trenchtoast (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
That whole album is a hoot, it looks like a great day out for Toni, Marcelo and friends. Nice that they could bring the kids along to do a bit of flag waving before Toni started on the graffiti and Marcelo set fire to an old tire in a shopping trolley and a few British flags. Handy that there was a camera, mic and someone to interview Toni available. Thankfully no police to spoil the fun.
146 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:15 pm Report abuse
What a total oxygen thief, if this is the standard of thinking that rg's can throw out there is indeed no hope. I wonder if he doubles up as Sussie?
147 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Nice to see that the Turnips can agree on using the Scientific Nobel Prize as a parameter to measure intelligence….

….A Swedish parameter :-)))

And who are Best???
— FAROE ISLANDS :-)))
1 Saint Lucia
2 Luxembourg
3 Switzerland
4 Austria
5 DENMARK :-)))
6 SWEDEN :-)))
7 England & the other enslaved Kingdoms (Buhhhhh ;-)
8 NORWAY :-)))
9 Netherlands
10 Germany
35 Argentina :-)))

Oooooops.......
2½ Scandinavian countries ahead of “Mighty” England!!!
Not bad Scandinavia......., my genetic Motherland….
And Argentina on number 35…. Not bad at all, my beautiful “End of the World” Fatherland…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita#Scientific_prizes
148 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
well read your statement again stink Britain no7 rgenweener number 35 so the brits are 28 times cleverer than you rg's, scandinavia our loyal members of NATO and long time allies good on them. St lucia an ex Brit territory (says it all) so all you have told us is that rg's are not very clever compared to Europe
149 Faz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
I always thought Stink had a bit of Swede in him, close related to turnips, just bigger fatter and more dense. A lot of us Brits are Vikings Stink, and like you we enjoy pilaging . How was the porridge this morning?
150 Conor J (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:35 pm Report abuse
@147
I love the way you conveniently altered it as a per capita basis! Not bad “Scandinavia......., my genetic Motherland….” I thought you were a proud Argentine? This also proves how stupid you are as the Saxons, Jutes and other Anglo tribes that make up the “Anglo-sphere” which you brand as being nothing more than Turnips originate from Scandinavia, specifically Denmark with other origins originating in Sweden and Norway?

Brain wash much? ;-)
151 Britninja (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
Yes, Argentina beaten in the leagues by scientific powerhouses like Azerbaijan (32) and Belarus (33) - you must be so proud.
152 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
Nobody would dispute the innovation and entrepreneurship of the Scandanavians Think. As slatted says they are long term friends and allies of ours.

Clearly, you decision to leave Scandanivia was an attempt for you to “find your own level”, which you seem to have done in Argentina. That's nice.

As we are on the subject of science, drop a turd in a bucket of water...it will find its level too...much like you did.
153 darragh (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:42 pm Report abuse
I see Mr Dingbat that you've used the listing of Nobel prizes per capita - (so of course small countries with one ot two Nobel Prizes will have a low per capita rate) as opposed to total Nobel Prizes (for Science) for which the UK comes second only to the US. Nor did I mention England but the UK although I suspect that with Argentina's pathetic educational system you are unable to understand the difference.
By enslaved kingdoms I assume that you are referring to Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Scotland is hardly enslaved as it is about to vote on whether it wants independence (it's called democracy - you will need to look up the meaning of that word).

35 th is not bad at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - no it's not - it's pathetic

So as per normal you try to justify your idiotic self by distortion and lying - no surprise there.

By the way I am Irish not British (see previous posts).

I see that Toe-knee has a ponytail - well here in Ireland we say “lift up a ponytail and what do you find - a horse's arse”
154 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
stink thick as ? For someone who continually harps on about how clever it is and knowledgable about the whole world, and everything that happens in it, it's quite thick me THINKS. Be interested to see what side of the fence it falls on if there was another conflict and the Scandinavian countrys came down on the British side, would it slag off the generic motherland then, no it would just go all quiet, grade A prick
155 Redrow (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
Great photos of Tony's protest. Is that a Ford Transit they brought their tyre and shopping trolley in? Why doesn't he burn the van instead if he wants to protest against the UK?
156 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
Turnip at (149)

Just because you 50'th through 30'th Great Grandmothers deeply enjoyed the male company of my Viking ancestors doesn't make you English half-bloods into Vikings, matey.....

I always thought Stink had a bit of Swede in him, close related to turnips, just bigger fatter and more dense. A lot of us Brits are Vikings Stink, and like you we enjoy pilaging . How was the porridge this morning?
157 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
@ 155 cant afford a new one, it's probably the Belgium version anyway, doesn't count as anti British
158 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
Turnip at (149)

Just because you 50'th through 30'th Great Grandmothers deeply enjoyed the male company of my Viking ancestors doesn't make you English half-bloods into Vikings, matey.....
159 Conor J (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
@156/158
Your viking ancestors? Read my comment a little more closely at @150 and you will realise that Brits and Scandinavians are closely related.

“Just because you 50'th through 30'th Great Grandmothers deeply enjoyed the male company of my Viking ancestors doesn't make you English half-bloods into Vikings, matey.....”
You seem to be unaware that the Saxon and other Viking originates came to Britain in force after the Romans left and settled and created what is modern England.

You also seem unaware that just because you may be of Scandinavian decent does not make you a Viking. They were adventurous and pirates not a specific nationality you stupid Spic Turnip.
160 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
@158 Stink just as you being 3rd blood spaniards eh, all those great grandmothers deeply enjoyed the male company of those Spanish ancestors and conquerers, that don't make them true rg's, you killed all them remember?
161 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
@Think The argentine squatter residing in Europe to gain a better life my Irish friends pissed when they just read this shit on that old fart Toni's facebook

”Morrissey is the son of Irish and as such, hate the Anglo-Saxon. Ireland is subject in whole or in part for England from the year 1086, and the territory known as Ulster was detained by the British, populated by English and Scottish and a status today very similar to Malvinas (the Republic of Ireland, independent since 1921, claimed the return of Ulster). Very few know that 5,000 Irish were presented at the Argentine Embassy in Dublin offering as volunteers to fight on the Argentine side in 1982.”

You really could not make this shit up
162 darragh (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
@161
If Morrisey hates the Brits so much how come he lives in London and talks like a toffee-nosed twat.

It's nice to see that the Argentines know as little about Irish history as they do about Argentine history.

1086 there was no such country as Ireland just a bunch of warlords with their own little suzerainities and the invasion was by the Normans (read Norsemen - more Scandinavians) not the English
Ulster wasn't detained by the British they voted to remain part of the UK - If the truth be told the Brits would have rather handed them over but stuck to their promise to support NI.
The demand for the return of Ulster was removed from our constitution as part of the Good Friday Agreement
Just rung my Da to ask him if he was at the Argentine Embassy in 1982 to volunteer to go to the Falklands to fight against Britain.
After gales of laughter he said and I quote “Don't be so fecking stupid - half the British army is made up of Irishmen”
163 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:54 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

The inferiority complex of the current half-blood inhabitants of that genetic cesspool called Albion is just flabbergasting....
164 Faz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
Stink! You sseem to be sstuttering. You are such a popular troll. Queen Agnetha would be proud of you. Why did you quit your Rg homeland, we're you persecuted for your blond locks and nordic good looks? Or, did you just like porridge? My Irish great grandad fought the fuzzy wuzzies in the 46th regiment of foot. Have you tried Spud U like?
165 Redrow (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:07 pm Report abuse
@161

If Tony thinks that Morrissey hates the English then perhaps he hasn't heard ”Irish Blood English Heart (this I'm made of)“ - and certainly not ”Tony the Pony” either.
166 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
@Think, it's about time you came clean and tell us all why you left Argentina which one of your grannies was pleasured by Spanish pirates or was it one of the many Nazis Argentina so happily welcomes, please tell all we are waiting but tell or not your a sad piece of shit having to live away from your homeland because life is not good there.
167 darragh (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
@163

Of course in Think (or not to think) case it's not a complex - he is inferior.
168 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@163 as are your postings. And how can you call anyone half blooded inhabitants, read your previous posts you halfwit. What are you scandinavian rg, German, Spanish? Please enlighten us
PS Morrisey has homes in US/UK, Switzerland, Italy...................none in rgenweener can't THINK why, and the longer he's outside the UK the better cos he's a self centred egotistical prick, that harps on about the poor people whilst living the life of a A listed celeb and avoids paying taxes, plus he's shit anyway and has a big tree growing out of his arse
169 Clyde15 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
#163
You will just have to settle for belonging to an inferior race, continue to be flabbergasted, contain your latent jealousy of being beyond the pale and looking in wistfully at God's chosen people - with apologies to the Jews. You were dealt a poor hand in life but by application, you may be able to join the human race 3d class if you apply yourself.
It's a heavy burden we Brits. have to bear dealing with the occupants (squatters ? ) of half civilized countries in ultima thule, but we can manage. We have even given you an example of what you can aspire to by looking at how the Falklanders govern themselves. No la campora, Toni whatsit or other mass demonstrations.
170 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
@163 I THINK that most of what you spout is driven by an inferiority complex and a touch of jealousy maybe you have no hair and an orange suntan which makes you stand out as a loser, plus not knowing which country your from of course people must love taking the piss out of you in bars, of course if they let you in to start with
171 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
@Think, once and for all your BIG problem is you can not live in your homeland because you feel it is not good enough why don't you return ,work hard pay taxes (that kirchner will squander) and try make life better but like the rest of the Squatting Argentines that grace this forum you know life will never get better in Argentina while you keep electing shit like kirchner so be happy in Scandinavia because you'll obviously not be going back to shit hole Argentina any time soon.
172 Faz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Now you have upset him.....her.....it...
173 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
Think and his transsexual lover Bendover always disappear after a good talking to, seems truth hurts,I'm of to Toni's facebook soon to start there.
174 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
STINK your an arse, you come on here spouting about a country you don't even live in, slag us off when the country you so openly support goes down the tubes day by day. You openly support a man that will support and even condone violence against both shipping companies and airlines. Do you THINK it's acceptable to let these idiots stir up shite in the cause of the Falklands (there are no malvinas), listen nothing will change the Falklands will go from strength to strength whoever flys in supplies, because if someone stops doing it there will always be someone else waiting to step in, and when ST Helena airport opens the problem will become non existant, get over it move on and grow up, or do something about it. Oh thats right you can't cos you live in Europe, you are a tosser mate of the highest order, and you call us turnips if you had a brain cell it would be lonely
175 trenchtoast (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
Its Toni's birthday today, congratulations you little smelly bastard.
176 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:23 pm Report abuse
STINK I say again the Falklands will go from strength to strength whoever flys in supplies, because if someone stops doing it there will always be someone else waiting to step in, and when ST Helena airport opens the problem will become non existant, get over it move on and grow up, ................nothing to say?
177 ChrisR (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
'I Don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief aka The Biggest Liar On MP has on previous posts stated he left the families bird shit (Guano) factory in Chile to move to Chubut.

Perhaps they ran out of shit. But now he is in it up to his neck living in Chubut.

Given the other clues 'he bought a 1953 (I think it was) 'Russian Pilots Watch' which is actually of French design, the Ruskies buying the plant etc to make it (having put a hack in the mechanism for synchronizing) which would have been quite costly at the time.

Unless it was a gift I would imagine he needed to be 25 - 30 YO to be able to afford it. That puts him at 85 - 90 YO?

Given the ‘standard’ of his posts that is quite possible. He could of course have been lying: that is HIGHLY likely.
178 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Inferiority complex symtoms…:

• Success stories: Because inferiority complex sufferers believe that there is something wrong with them they build walls around them that prevents people from seeing their imaginary flaws. Such barriers can be: Impressive success stories, fame, power...etc.

• Devaluing others: Usually an inferiority complex sufferer will be threatened whenever he considers anybody superior to him and in such a case the best defense mechanism he thinks about is trying to devalue that superior person at any cost.

• Oversensitivity to criticism: People with inferiority complex have a real hard time dealing with criticism.

• Excessive showing off: The reason for excessive showing off is that the inferiority complex sufferer assumes that everybody is looking down on him and thus he has to do a counter action to improve his perceived image.

• Over compensation: One of the most common defense mechanisms inferiority complex sufferers use to hide their inferiority feelings is to act superior. Not only will those people act as if they are superior to others but they will also devalue anybody who doesn't treat them as if they were superior.
179 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
@177 STINK lying ...........................no way
180 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
Turnip at (177).....

1) Peruvian Tarapacá's Guano and Nitrates were the business of the richest branch of the Think clan.....
I'm from one of the the lesser rich ones.....

2) ”.... my humble 1956 Shturmanskie…. Steadily ticking at 18,000 vph, without ever having been serviced!
en.mercopress.com/2013/04/27/malvinas-radical-group-begins-campaign-against-lan-chile-offices-in-buenos-aires#comment242706

3) Those watches were not for sale in the CCCP....
181 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
Redrow @134
You sacked the entire world for natural resources in order to pay for your development.
You can't compare that to any SA nation...
182 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@180 wow good response STINK nothing to do with the swubject though turnip
actually at 178 just about sums you up to a tee well done for bringing it to our attention only you forgot if I lie enough I will believe it :)
183 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
@ Think, We are waiting to hear was it Spanish or Nazi that screwed your granny and why you fled Argentina and refuse to return???
184 Doveoverdover (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:09 pm Report abuse
@178 You can stand down and leave 182 and 183 to me now that you've clearly tired them out to the point of incoherence.
185 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
@Doveoverdover the dirty sex change bendover arrives alias THINK LOL what a sad person.
186 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
(184) Mr. McDod

Thanks......

I think I'll brew myself a proper cup of Margaret's Hope first flush....
Freshly arrived from my tea pusher in Stockholm....

I'll be back....
187 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:33 pm Report abuse
@Doveoverdover and Think, still talking to yourself you sad piece of shit

SPANISH OR NAZI which one?????
188 briton (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
Don’t cha just luv it when bloggs descent into a farce,

One fly in the ointment and the rubbing begins,

One dung beetle and the shit flies.
And what of the poor old toni
Still trying to flog conetto,s to lickers..lol.
.
189 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
andy65
You are a perfect example of British education.

All insults and nothing at all that suggests anything of your country's former glory...
190 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:53 pm Report abuse
'@Stevie thanks for the compliment but please do not get me mixed up with the botox queen Crissy kirchner and her ugly sister Alicia Castro

I'm British and I don't let people shit on me or my countrymen.
191 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
#110
Conqueror: Oh, I agree that the LAN Chile fleet has modern, up-to-date aircraft.  
Also, you could fly around Argentinean airspace, but honestly, look at the advantages that a direct Buenos Aires - “Port Stanley”  route would provide:
1.  Lower Airfares.
2. Faster access to international routes.
3. Increased tourism to boost the islands economy.
4. It's highly doubtful the aircraft would be a target of asset seizures. 
5. No longer having to put up with those obnoxious Chileans.
And yes, you are correct Conqueror that the Tu-154 is nearing the end of its commercial life, but again, I would like to remind you that the British are still using those old Lockheed TriStars to service the Atlantic route and there are still a number of countries that are still successfully using well maintained Tu-154s.  Aeroflot has retired it only because they . need to support the Russian aircraft industry by purchasing the new  Sukhoi Superjets 100 currently in production.
The Argentine government is facing some minor financial difficulties at the moment, but they are committed to helping the islanders by providing improved access to the mainland with a promise for even greater air service in the future. The creative acquisition of the three fully refurbished airliners is a practical and prudent solution, which Ambassador Castro has devised, which provides the solution.  As I said before, she has extensive knowledge of the commercial airlines business.
Finally, the originally proposed Tu-404 has nothing to do with the next generation new design wide body aircraft, which will be produced by Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association and still does not have an official name.  (similar story with the Boeing 787 dreamliner, which also did not have a name until well after starting production.) 
Frankly, too much negative thinking on your part Conqueror. 
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192 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
Don't worry, you seem to take care of that yourself.
I wouldn't have to...
193 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 05:58 pm Report abuse
@Stevie and what part of the world do you grace this forum from or like the other Argentine twats are you afraid to say.

An honest answer will do you the world of good.
194 Monkeymagic (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
Stevie

You sacked an entire continent for natural resources to pay for your development (you forget that part of your genocidal past!) and that was enough for the USA or Canada or Australia to make a decent fist out it...so why not Latam?

We agree it's not racial..so it must be social.

What is it about your lazy, corrupt, blame everyone else, indoctrinate your children, always a victim culture that has led to such a failure?
195 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM NEVER THE BRIDE ALWAYS THE BRIDESMAID
196 Doveoverdover (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
andy65
You are a perfect example of a British education acquired in the D stream of a sink Secondary Modern somewhere in the Midlands.
197 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
I would be interesting to know if Chilean Mr. Chicureo and Scottish Mr. Doveoverdover share some common acquaintances....

Both declare to be former naval officers from allied Countries.
Both declare to have ended their careers with similar ranks.
Both declare to be in their sixties.
Mr. McDod declares to have been stationed in Malvinas......
198 ChrisR (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Due to the possibility of misunderstanding what it is that you are working on, we talking eolic energy as wind energy are we not?
199 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
@Think why waste time you prick we all know you bendover sorry Doveoverdover just answer your own lies that way you will feel better
200 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Chris
Wouldn't want to give yo too much info.
I still want to have fun.
You are, after all, one of the few educated Brits on here...

Eolic will suffice :)

(see what I did there?)
201 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
@Stevie it's becoming clear your now part of a threesome you are indeed Think, Doveoverdover what a joke.
202 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
@191 difference being we maintain our tristars and as for your comment about tourism isn't that what TMBOA is trying to destroy?
203 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
At one point Aerolines Argentines had to pay for fuel up front when flying over seas trust seems to be a huge issue where Argentina is concerned.
204 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
andy65
You are andy, and andy only.
Because amongst all stupidity that is posted by the Brits, not one manages to reach the same levels as you do.

It's quite astonishing...
205 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
@197 don't try to throw us of the scent idiot we all know your the same person, STINK and dodery what a team eh?
206 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
@Stevie, sorry to disappoint but nothing will be changing,why don't you just answer the questions instead of constantly talking shit???
you must lead a very poor life to be astonished so easily -JUST SAYING
207 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:07 pm Report abuse
What question andy?
The one you forgot to ask being busy insulting?
208 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
Oddly enough,

“Think” seems to have the same 1956 Russian watch as an amateur collector on Watchuseek, a forum I have been subscribing to.

“Marc One” writes about his watch:

forums.watchuseek.com/f10/first-generation-shturmanskie-3133-a-401876.html

Think = Marc One = Marcos Alejandro ???!

Website is English only, based in the Netherlands.
209 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
#197 Think
He may have served in our allied sea forces, is of Gaelic heritage and of mature age, but he certainly does not express himself as an officer, more perhaps like a Cheif Petty officer...
In we're does he give this background information?
And no connection I know.
210 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
Try looking at post 193
211 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
Troy
In theory, one man is enough to deal with you lot, regarding the level of your (lack of) education.
But, no.
We actually stand in line to have a laugh...
212 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
@209 whats this OUR bit and it's CHIEF PETTY OFFICER, trust me that fake never pulled a uniform on his sad sorry life except in his dreams, the only Navy he's seen is when he gets an invite to the Legion on a Sunday and listens to real servicemen
213 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie I asked you which country you come from, perhaps your another Argentine squatting in a first world country but as I said an honest answer from you would go a long way.
214 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
you see Chicureo?
you can lick all their boots, you will never ever be “our” in their eyes anyway...

andy
And how on earth would my whereabouts help your arguments???
215 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie So why not tell us all whats the problem?? I am British and proud of it you??? it's like think who squats in a North European country and marco who squats in London happy to be here after fleeing there homeland but only shit come from there mouth now what does that tell you about a person?? perhaps the words bitter and twisted might be used?? anyway just answer the simple question no big deal though but just answer the question it might help us all understand your slight anti Britishness.
216 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
@214 i live in Scotland stevie easy eh? Unless you've something to hide of course
217 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
You see these prats who take the moral high ground but can not answer a simple question
218 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
andy
I'm not anti British.
My auntie is British, married to my Uruguayan uncle.
Exceptional woman.
I don't blame her for your flaws.
Neither should you.

I'm Uruguayan, proud of some achievements, less proud of even more mistakes.
I never fled any country, nor am I bitter for where life has taken me.

That's all you need to answer your questions.
219 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie, not really interested in your aunty I just hope your not an unfortunate walking time bomb and ass licker like your president-must be very sad having to elect a man who looks like he as not taken a wash in the last 10 years hardly a statesman is he? does being Argentina's bitch come naturally to you people???
220 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
Slat,
The honorable minister Timmerman has the best interests of the IM/FI, ADN and wants the islanders to enjoy all the benefits of belonging to Merco Sur.

Direct flights will also make it easier for YPF support crews to arrive for assisting in developing the new petroleum exploration that will be conducted.
221 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
@ Chicureo the only interest ANY Argentine government minister or president as is the amount of $$$ they can fill there pockets with from there own people..
the fact Argentines have accused every President THEY have elected since 1983 after The Great British successfully removed the illegal Argentine scum from the Falkland Islands is living proof
222 Clyde15 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
#220
Come on,you are taking the piss, aren't you !
223 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
@Clyde15 he's def taking the piss
224 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
Let me be very sincere with you.
Many former Tupamaros are quite upset with Pepe Mujica for his trade agreements that results in open mines and paper mills.
It creates jobs, indeed.
But what people are upset about is that it also creates the use-and-throw society that has plagued the northern hemisphere for so long.
Peoples happiness does not depend on how many goods one can acquire.
I salute Cristina, for standing up against a force so big and fierce as the empire is.
Because it is an empire.
And the throne is occupied by the multinationals.
You are a pawn, just like me. And while you and me discuss who is better than who at what and when, they fill their pockets with your money, and mine.
Not in pound sterlings or pesos uruguayos, but in our time.
Time used to be able to consume the stuff they present us with.

Pepe Mujica should indeed remember where he comes from. And so should Huidobro.
225 ynsere (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
Andy65 @ 219
Not very bright, are you? You've been taken in by Guzz ... er ... Stevie, who's an Argentine living in Argentina. Can't you spot a troll? Can't you tell the difference between an Argentine and a Uruguayan? You've missed a wonderful opportunity to shut up, and you're certainly not helping the Falklands' cause.
226 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
@Stevie I would be deeply ashamed if my President kissed a Nazi ass like Kirchner he even as to beg a lift from her to go to a tyrants funeral,what kind of people are you where your neighbour pisses on you c0nstantly and you do nothing about it
227 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:04 pm
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228 Ernie4001 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
@ 132 Good idea, if some nationalist keep bothering and their demagogic lady lets them. I suggest couple more ideas to the chilean govermment for example to rise taxes for all argie goods (what will close 5 billions dollars flood a year to argentina), close all chilean ports for their shipments to asia, just to start.
229 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
@225 guzz is not an rg living in rgenweener he lives in sweden not very bright are you?
230 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
ynsere
What are you doing here, get out there and use some dollars!

Lets play a game.

Lets start with an easy one

Tell me the name of the names of the 4 charrúas in certain park in Montevideo.
231 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
#218 Stevie
”or I should I say... Guzz...
I'm not anti Argentinian.
My wire-haired Chilean born Dachshund was used for siring an Argentinian born perra of the same breed.  Exceptional puppies, and I don't blame her for the flaws and neither should you for yours.

I'm of a better managed country who's proud of some achievements, less proud of even more mistakes.
I did flee my country, but I'm not bitter for where life has taken me.
Perhaps you need to answer the questions...
232 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@ynsere I made it clear in post 201 what he was and I am not sure why you think anyone who challenges these idiots is helping The Falkland cause please enlighten me
233 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
(208) Troy Tempest

That’s a Shturmanskie Chronograph, you turnip!
Mine is a Shturmanskie watch!

Here, for your info, a picture of a watch very similar to mine. ...:
Identical face. (Mine is in better condition though)
Identical hands (Blued hr. and min. with original tritium, red sec. hand)
Identical case. (The chrome in mine is in better condition too)
Identical caseback (Clip-on, no inscription)
Identical crown.
Identical movement (15 jewels)

www.netgrafik.ch/airforce-watches13.htm
234 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
@ Think, the wandering Jew returns
235 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
Chicureo
Chilenos are good people. Hard-working in general and with a great social awareness.
They have a strong oligarchy though, and the military is their lapdogs.

You are the sad exception of the rule.
You are not alone though.
There are plenty like you.
In Uruguay.
In Argentina.

I love Chile.
Chile is great!
And Bachelet will make it even better.
236 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:18 pm Report abuse
@233 so what i've got an omega seamaster your point is turnip?
237 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
(236) slattzzz
An Omega Seamaster Quartz, I assume?
238 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
#233
Tovarisch Think
Beautiful, but wait... The spelling on the face of the timepiece is all wrong. Nowhere does it say Shturmanskie on the case either. Some astute fellow may spot this and prove that you do not own one... Where is the etching:“Made in the USSR”? I think you have one of those Chinese knockoffs like the other poster's Seamaster.
Did you ever do that search we talked about on the serial number?   
Going to bed early...
239 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:42 pm Report abuse
@237 no seamaster submariner
240 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
#239
Those are great! Normally you don't have to replace the battery for at least 30 months... Congratulations!

My everyday brand of choice is Swatch.
241 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:51 pm Report abuse
@240 really as if you'd know
242 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
Chicureo
No serial number on the seamaster? No authenticy check?
Dry that mouth of yours!

Hahahaha
243 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:54 pm
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244 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
slattzzz
Chicureo is just trying to find some friends, he can't seem to find many in Chile...

;)
245 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
#241
newyorkjewels.blogspot.com/2010/08/joe-rodeo-platinum-jojo-big-bezel-gold_14.html
Yes, but the dress uniform watch that we lapdogs are issued by our oligarchy are the below:
newyorkjewels.blogspot.com/2010/08/joe-rodeo-platinum-jojo-big-bezel-gold_14.html
Probably you even have a nicer one...
246 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
(244) Stevie
I “Think” you may be right.
Mr. Chicureo is being too kind with Mr. slatzzz....
Battery life for an “Omega Seamaster Submarine” is, at the very best 24 months.....
247 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
Give me a Chilean cat to an Argentine piece of scum anyday.
248 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
andy
There are Argentine scum
There are Uruguayan scum
There are Chilean scum
There are British scum

Scum doesn't discriminate, and is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
249 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
@Stevie and by all accounts your a lieing piece of scum just like your leader speaking of, is she still cooking the books in Argentina????
250 Think (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
(245 ) Chicureo

Just the right watch for la Tenida Nro 1....
www.armada.cl/prontus_armada/site/artic/20091014/imag/FOTO_0320091014103905.jpg
251 slattzzz (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
@245 , 246 whats your point I have a watch that was a treat to myself after 28 years in the Royal Navy, bought with some of my gratuaty so what. And just to enlighten you they don't have batteries
252 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
andy
Your insults fail miserably in doing any sort of damage except to your own intellect.
But do keep on.
Don't forget to say you are British.
253 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
British and proud of it but kind of understand why you can not admit to being Argentine you can not get any lower than that you are clearly ashamed of who or what you are and lets be honest it's obvious why,heres an example I had an Argentine cleaner who for 18 months told me she was Spanish I fired her on the spot when I found out.
254 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
I told you there were British scum...

If you feel the need of me being Argentine, or if you should experience trouble sleeping should I not be, please labe lme as you wish.

That will still not change my identity, ideology or whereabouts.

And I would hate to keep you up all night...
255 Pete Bog (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
“Toni Lopez from Resistencia Malvinas, who described the campaign against the cruise vessels calling in the Falklands a ‘success’”

That's the success where cruise liners have now dropped Argentina from their itinery? Tell that to the Argentine buinesses that have lost income.

The same way that for Argentina 1982 was a success because they managed to overcome a force of 80 Marines with several thousand troops, even though they were kicked off three months later.

The same way that if the scientific research mission off to South Georgia will be a success if their ship doesn't break down.

Toni Lopez Argentinians needs to wake up and smell the coffee-offering the opportunity for islandersto fly in clapped out Tu 154's rather than fly with LAN Chile (acknowledged as one of the BEST world airlines)in modern aircraft is the wrong approach.

And again, his language is laced with demands which he has no power to enforce-that justy makes him look a moron.
256 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
Think
спасибо
Regarding the picture, you'll note the gloves cover the gold diamond watches the oligarchs issue. I would never been able to keep my composure with midshipman like her... But then, I guess that's why they issue long knives to them as well.

Slat
No battery? Don't you get tired of winding it?

Andy
By the way, you would not want to be a Chilean cat... They normally are the principal ingredient of empanadas here.
257 ChrisR (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
That is why I have a Rolex, a very nice one. :o)
258 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
@Stevie, Your an idiot uncomfortable who you are there's no doubt just like the rest Argentine trolls that grace this forum you have difficulties with who, what and where you are cowards fled your homeland in search of an easier life you need to go back and swing from the tits of the botox queen that's all she's fit for pleasuring pricks like you.
259 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
Chicureo
So you are the oligarchs lapdog :)

Perfect

Now take that fancy watch of yours and set it to 11.58

;)
260 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
#255
Pete
Ambassador Castro is offering an economically viable soultion to accuire 3 completely refurbished reliable aircraft to immediately replace the LAN 767 which will provide unimagiable benifits to the islanders.
Obviously, if Aerolíneas Argentinas could by something more modern, I'm sure they would. Plus, LAN only flies there once a week.
261 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Aerolineas Argentinas another company nationalised because it was unable to hold it's own as a private company there were rumours that that old hag Alicia Castro supped it dry drinking the duty free -doors to manual anyone.
262 HansNiesund (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:07 pm Report abuse
@260
And who indeed in the Argentine leadership is better qualified to decide aviation matters than Alicia Castro?

But is there any truth in he rumor that the Argentine Air Force has proposed the purchase of a TU-144 as a replacement for the current Tango One? The story is they'd like to see La Presidenta aloft in one of these even more than in a TU-154.

@243
Either you can't spell, or google translate has let you down again.
263 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
My friends and Argentine trolls take a look at this blog by an Argentine called rodrigo living in London I was amazed to read an Argentine with thoughts and a brain what shocked me most was his opinion on Alicia Castro's daughter is Castro married or is this young ladty the product of the mile high clib I wonder but it seems madame Castro as been quite a girl in nher earlier years the word SLAPPER comes to mind and I quote from Rodrigo
Diplomatic Sex Appeal

Last but not least, the cultural message of reactive ‘regionalismo’ is wrong. No one cares and it is a bad attempt to glamorise misery. If you want to glamorise misery you need glamour and misery. I asked fresh, plum & authentic and they showed corny, insecure, smelly and lazy. The Ambassador should keep the parade of her daughter for private functions possibly in the Embassy because she is too young and does not have Pippa’s style. She comes across as an undereducated student desperate to get fucked and by She, I mean, the Argentine Republic.

Take a look at the full blog he's hardly a Castro fan it's quite entertaining as he points out Castro's lack of class.

www.loveartnotpeople.com/2013/02/an-embarrassing-ambassador-alicia.html
264 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:24 pm Report abuse
andy
She doesn't insult, you mean?
She hasn't learned all those fancy words of yours?

She didn't get your education, in that much we can agree...
265 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
#262
Hans,
The idea would be to place her and Timmerman on the next Cubana flight to Havana. As she likes flying on Tu-154s, Alicia's next diplomatic posting I think will be to Pyongyang.
In any case, Think's Russian translation was correct, according to google.
266 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
@Stevie Are you stupid?? obviously you are it was written by an ARGENTINE but as you can see from the picture of Castro's ratty looking daughter no decent British girl would be wearing a camel toe as obvious as Castro's daughter-you really must stop getting the word insult mixed up with what's the truth as they say the camera never lies. here's to Alicia Castro's daughter and her nasty looking camel toe
267 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:49 pm Report abuse
andy
What do you refer to when you say “camel toe”?
268 ynsere (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
Andy65 @ 232
Short-term memory gone? In 219 you insulted the Uruguayan president. Do you think you're helping the Falklands by insulting Uruguayans? Did you really dismiss your maid because she was Argentine? Oh, what a brave boy! That REALLY guarantees the Falklanders their freedom. Grow up! Grow a brain.

Slattzzz @ 229
I'm afraid you've been taken in by Guzz ... er ... Stevie. The Scandinavian connection was originally invented by Guzz (he even quoted a Wikipedia entry to explain what he was studying there), and so were the “general knowledge” tests on Uruguay that he is repeating as Stevie @ 230. Naw, he's just another Argentine troll in a damp room. I suggest you ignore him.
269 Pete Bog (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
@260
“Ambassador Castro is offering an economically viable soultion to accuire 3 completely refurbished reliable aircraft to immediately replace the LAN 767 which will provide unimagiable benifits to the islanders.”

Are these aircraft better than 767s?

Or refurbished scrap challenge contenders?

Are the 'unimaginable benefits' offered to the Islanders better than they get at the moment or unimaginably worse than what they get now?

Ie it might be unimaginably good to an Argentine that their government would pay for them to study at University in the UK , all paid for, whereas for a Falkland Islander that is a common place reality.
270 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
ynsere
You can't answer, can you?
Most basic Uruguayan knowledge and you can't answer.

Vaimaca Pirú
Senaqué
Guyunusa
Tacuabé

You want an easier one?

What does “araca la cana” mean?
271 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
@ ynsere who ever you are lets get this straight

It was the Uruguayan president who described Kirchner as an old hag and her husband Nazi Nestor as one eyed

It was the Uruguayan people who in a poll that overwhelmingly agreed with him.

it was the Uruguayan President who then went on a full public ass licking exercise to woo the botox queen for forgivness

it was the Uruguayan president who then lowered himself and hitched a lift on Tango1 to the venezuelan presidents inauguration ceremony.

stevie claims to be Uruguayan so I gave it to him straight and yes I fired that CLEANER not a maid for lieing once a liar always a liar anyone ashamed of who they are and where they come from are not worth hiring.
272 Stevie (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:19 pm Report abuse
andy
You haven't seen a camel toe in your life.
Come on man, the only cleaner you've ever had is your mother.

And you haven't sacked her, she still cleans for you.

Camel toe...

You know what we'd call you in Uruguay?

Cesárea

Because you haven't seen a.... camel toe, not even when you were born...
273 britanico (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:39 pm Report abuse
Why the hell should the Argies be able to turn up in the Falklands without a passport? China doesn't let its citizens flood into Hong Kong or Macau, they need permits even though they're visiting parts of China. Just as well, as Hong Kongers are fed up with the ones who are already flooding in - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueNr7mfFZu8
274 Chicureo (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
#269
Pete, the idea is to provide a rapid solution to a very difficult temporary cash flow problem and service the islanders with better access to the outside world. They really seem sincere in this.
As quoted above from an insightful contributer.:
“Any who indeed in the Argentine leadership is better qualified to decide aviation matters than Alicia Castro?”
275 andy65 (#) Apr 28th, 2013 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie, You make me laugh the camel toe is the part on a lady at the top of her legs LOL and your right I have not seen many as I do not find hairy Argentine women to attractive
276 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:00 am Report abuse
@107 Thinkedover

“As faithfull as my humble 1956 Shturmanskie…. ”
I 'think' you are lying yet again, Thinkedover, when you try to berate me for showing a link of a collector who is very specific about a “1956 Shturmanski” chronometer as opposed to a “watch”. You didn't specify - now you're squirming and blustering.
Amusing that you have no pictures of your own 'watch', but link to somebody else's :-)

Irregardless, you are very boastful of your material possession, exclusive, expensive, Soviet!!
Of course it is still a ripoff of a French design AND a jumble of parts from various watches. Also, this rebuilding would indicate that it has NOT gone on for countless years with “no servicing”.
BTW, isn't 18,000 a bit slow - most watches run around 26,000.

Still as I say - you are very boastful of your possession, a bit odd as you also posted @178

”• Excessive showing off: The reason for excessive showing off is that the inferiority complex sufferer assumes that everybody is looking down on him and thus he has to do a counter action to improve his perceived image.
277 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:05 am Report abuse
@Chicureo I was a bit concerned for The Uruguayan President hitching lifts on Tango1 after all Argentina does have history with Military aircraft and people falling from them or were they pushed???
278 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:07 am Report abuse
276 Troy “The reason for excessive showing off is that the inferiority complex sufferer assumes..”

Good way to describe yourself UVic boy.
279 MagnusMaster (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:11 am Report abuse
@263 it wouldn't surprise me that Alicia Castro lacks class when CFK and her entire circle lacks class. They are all uneducated lower-middle class people who got rich by joining Peronism, and stealing taxpayer money while in government. Now they are rich, but rich people with no class. They are still as uneducated as the people living in villas miseria. Alicia Castro's daughter is pretty, though.
280 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:21 am Report abuse
@MagnusMaster You are so right my friend money can not buy class I was surprised that Castro had a child out of wedlock -not a good living catholic girl then, the new Italian Pope must be very dissapointed
281 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:28 am Report abuse
@278 Marc

“276 Troy “The reason for excessive showing off is that the inferiority complex sufferer assumes..”

Good way to describe yourself UVic boy.”

OMG !!! Mind like a steel trap. You got me there - what a comeback!!

Is “UVic” all you know about Canada?

Do you, in some twisted desperate way, feel we share some sort of 'fraternity'?

Good job you weren't allowed to stay in Canada. :-)

BTW, somebody else on here is a prof there and he even posted it, but middle-headed as you are, you have forgotten.

Ja ja ja
282 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:33 am Report abuse
looks like these Argentine trolls have ran away again after a good roasting
283 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:37 am Report abuse
@282 Andy

Most just stuck their heads out long enough to look like idiots or brag.

Right, Marc, Think, DDover!!
284 andy65 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:57 am Report abuse
And Stevie lets not forget stevie
285 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:07 am Report abuse
Thx.

...and Stevie.
286 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:13 am Report abuse
#281
“Do you, in some twisted desperate way, feel we share some sort of 'fraternity'?”

ONE very sick village idiot talking to himself...
287 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:21 am Report abuse
@286Chicureo,

Sorry. What do you mean by your post, please?

Marcos = ???
288 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:43 am Report abuse
#287
Troy
www.google.com/search?q=village+idiot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#itp=open1
If you still do not understand what I mean, ask THINK
as he can better explain.
289 Marcos Alejandro (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:47 am Report abuse
Don't think about this too much UVic marionette or your maple leaf brain may explode.
Go get some fresh air at Capilano.
290 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:01 am Report abuse
@288

Thx Chicureo

I presume you mean Marcos Alejandro when you say,

“The village idiot was long considered an acceptable social role, a unique individual who was dependent yet contributed to the social fabric of his community.[4] As early as Byzantine times, the ”village idiot“ was treated as an acceptable form of deranged individual compatible with then-prevailing normative conceptions of social order”

Wasn't sure which of his alter egos you were talking about.

He really hasn't much original to say, he just jumps onto the forum at times, after the adults and senior Trolls have finished talking.

:-)
291 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:17 am Report abuse
#290
The individual with multiple personalities.

MA is not the VI that I'm referring to...
THINK can help you as he puts up with VIs all the time...
292 John Troll the 3rd (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:35 am Report abuse
Wow, reading the comments here the Brits have in mass dispensed with all the fake veneers of gentlemenness and manners and devolved into boorish, caustic, obstreperous twats.
293 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:02 am
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294 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:45 am Report abuse
andy
You sure gave me a good roasting.
Especially with that picture showing Alicia Castro's “camel toe”.
Or was it her daughters?

Hahahahahaha
295 Viscount Falkland (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:07 am Report abuse
The top man at Lan Chile is now the President of Chile........He is not going to love his neighbours any more ..because of this.....in fact he will probably join the Uraguayan and Paraguayan Presidents in getting caught saying what he actually thinks of Argentinians !
296 Clyde15 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:41 am Report abuse
#292
Thank you for that unsolicited compliment, however modesty forbids us taking that title, The Argentinians and their camp followers on this site are much more practised and effective in this respect than we Brits. It is the only thing in which you can proudly claim superiority. Being a magnanimous people, we will graciously let you hold the undesputed title.
297 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:47 am Report abuse
Clyde
The only reason you lot are modest, is because you have plenty to be modest about...
298 Clyde15 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:52 am Report abuse
#297
Sorry, but I used that one months ago in replying to Nostrils in one of his many weird personas. I suppose I can add plagiarism to one of your many talents.
299 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:59 am Report abuse
298
Sorry, I didn't read your post, nor is it your phrase

A quick search on google

“a lot to be modest about” (with citation marks)

shows some 63.000 hits

Who did you steal it from?

Or did you invent the wheel?
300 Pete Bog (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:27 am Report abuse
@274
“Pete, the idea is to provide a rapid solution to a very difficult temporary cash flow problem and service the islanders with better access to the outside world. They really seem sincere in this.”

Though not sincere enough to answer the letter that FIG sent to Argentina to discuss the matter?
This shows Argentine ignorance and insincerity that they did not even reply by saying

“ No thanks, we do not want to discuss the issue as we are racist against Falkland Islanders.”

So Argentina were not really serious about this proposal were they?

Just another crude, and not very intelligent proaganda exercise by Argentina.

Is the' cash flow problem' you mention needing to be solved, Argentina's or the Falkland Islander's problem?

@260

Are you saying that the unimaginable benefits you stated were better links with the outside world?

That is a benefit arguably, but the word 'unimaginable' conjures up the idea that the benefits are so generous that it would be difficult for the islanders to turn them down.
The islanders already have links with the outside world, so offering them the chance to have them and being held to ransom as in the 1970s does not seem particularly appealing, as their relationship with the Chilieans is preferred.

”Any who indeed in the Argentine leadership is better qualified to decide aviation matters than Alicia Castro?”

I fail to see Alicia Castro's suitability as an ex-cabin attendant makes her qualified to comment on airlines.

Or have I missed something?

Is she:
1/-A former pilot?
2/-A former Director of Civil Aviation?
3/-Has she owned an airline?
4/-Has she been the operations manager of an Argentine Airline?

Regarding the Argentine offer to fly to MPA,are you familiar with the saying 'shutting the door after the horse has bolted?'
301 knarfw (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
Oh dear, I feel sorry for decent Argentines that have to sit back and watch as their country slides further down the drain hole into the cess pit. It can only be a matter of time before Argentina is added to the list of rogue, terrorist supporting, nations along with their bosom buddies Iran and North Korea.
302 GFace (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:38 pm Report abuse
@300...and while this SEEMS to be a trivial matter comared to flying an airline run by a country that is proud if their Juntas last gasp when it tried to export its dirty war to a new population and prople.... Why should people likely to fly BA on their next leg out of the FI from SA fly any carrier OTHER than LAN? Do any of the “Sudetenland is German!!!” trolls here have any clue as to how to game their frequent flyer miles especially when flying international? (Or do they just not get out that much? And we all know how THAT certainly shows!!)
303 Clyde15 (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
#299
It was first used by Sir Winston Churchill about Clement Atlee.
As a British citizen I claim dibs on the use of this phrase.
Citizens of non English -speaking countries should approach the British Embassy in the country they are in for permission to use same.
Did I invent the wheel ? That's for me to know and you to find out.
304 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
Sure Clyde
I'll go to the British embassy and show them the tattoo in my arse, courtesy of yanquiboy

Hahahahaha
305 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
#300
Pete, Things seem progressing, and I doo recognize your valid point about Amb. Castro's experience.

Headline:  Aerolineas Argentinas will reopen direct flights to the Malvinas Islands.   Wednesday, 29 April 2013
Argentinian Consul General Ricardo Bocalandro noted that his national flag carrier,  Aerolineas Argentinas has signed agreements to purchase three recently refurbished all weather passenger jets to service the new rout Argentinas will utilise new Airbus aircraft to service the route by the third or fourth quarter of 2013.
“Aerolineas Argentinas has historically provided an airlink to Buenos Aires and we're happy again to do so.“ said the Aerolineas Argentinas sales manager Sergio Gomez .
“We currently plan three direct flights per week from Jorge Newberry to Mount Pleasant Buenos Aires, with several convenient domestic and international connections providing convenience for customers and enhancing  the quality of the Islanders lives.  It was also noted ”That since they will be considered domestic flights, there will be no visa requirements for islanders to travel to Argentina,” Argentinian Consul General Ricardo Bocalandro said.
 Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has in the past sought negotiations with the United Kingdom to establish several weekly flights from Buenos Aires to the Falkland Islands and she is very pleased with the planned outcome.
Roger Edwards, the British-controlled islands' legislative chairman, was unavailable for comment.
Fernandez recently told Argentine legislators that direct flights by the state-owned airline Aerolineas Argentinas would show the world her country's intentions towards the islands, known as las Malvinas in Argentina, were peaceful
306 trenchtoast (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:51 pm Report abuse
*yawn* ..back in the real world I see Marcelo and chums have been picketing the British Embassy as well. Something to do with usurpers and pirates I suppose.
307 yankeeboy (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
304. Gross, please don't share your fantasies with me.

305. Was that headline next to the one about the bullet train to Rosario?
308 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
Before anyone gets their panties all tied up in a knot, the headline is from the Revista Veintitrés and is an advance translation full of typos. It seems their planning an article about the first flight.
309 trenchtoast (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
Wednesday, 29 April 2013...? I'm pretty sure its a Monday today.
310 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
#309
Mr. Trenchtoast
You are not helping the cause. Have you ever gone fly fishing? Yankeeboy understands, so does Think, Surfer, ChrisR...
311 trenchtoast (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 02:52 pm Report abuse
I apologize for peeing on everyone's bonfire... I'll go and crawl back under my rock ;0)
312 ChrisR (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:21 pm Report abuse
276 Troy Tempest

Sorry for the late post.

But The Turnip In Chiefs watch is spot on: TWICE A DAY!

LOLs
313 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
Apology accepted. You almost became toast, Mr. Trenchtoast.
By the way, Yankeeboy, the high speed rail project to Rosario got bogged down due to the credit difficulties. The aircraft trade swap trade helps avoid the problem of obtaining foreign credit. If you could not afford a brand new Fiat sedan, and you were able to buy a perfectly refurbished Lada, what would you do?
I had a similar dilemma in the early 80's and .... What a mistake I made. Poor example...
314 yankeeboy (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
I wouldn't buy either! When I lived there I was lucky to pick up an S class from someone at the German Embassy at a good price because nobody was buying anything. If I remember correctly I sold it for more (pesos) than I paid for it!
I did start to have problems getting parts though and it must be horrible now. They must have to use Rg “compatible” parts which aren't compatible and ruin the engine in the long run.
315 Think (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
(256) Chicureo

With a couple of hundreds officers like her....:

www.armada.cl/prontus_armada/site/artic/20091014/imag/FOTO_0320091014103905.jpg

Chile could spare all those expensive 22’s, 23’s, M’s, L’s, 209’s, Scorpene’s, 2A4s’s, F16’s and F5’s ……

We would gladly surrender……

www.armada.cl/prontus_armada/site/artic/20091014/imag/FOTO_0320091014103905.jpg
316 Conor J (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
@315
Jealous that Chile has a professional Military which is both well trained and organised? YOu really are a slimy little Turnip aren't you? My colonial friend.
317 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:43 pm Report abuse
Think
Notice the small shoes she's wearing? If we ever suspect female infiltration from an enemy navy, wearing our uniform, we check their shoe size to see if they're Argentinians...
By the way, since we've disallowed waterboarding for interogation, we normally take away their mate and make them listen to a Xuca soundtrack 24 hours a day.
Honestly, I would never would have been able to concentrate on my duties if integration had taken place in the 80s...
318 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
Chicureo
Were you active in the 70's and 80's?

I understand if you don't wish to answer.
319 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
I tried to, but most the girls I knew were impossible to get past first base.

Think: Xuxa, not Xuca...

Well trained I agree. Well organized? Not exactly...
320 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
Chicureo

That one is on me :)

I meant if you were active in your military career in the 70's and 80's...
321 Steveu (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:41 pm Report abuse
@300 I think Castro's aviation skills are

“Chicken or Beef?”

In the Argentine dystopia that makes her an expert
322 briton (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
Is not this blog meant to be about TONI,
And if you agree with his ideals threats or opinions,
Is by agreeing with this Toni’s terrorisms act, make you Argies truly and full supporters of local terrorism,

Yet at the same time tell the world you are against state run terrorism,
And that makes you hypercrits, does it not,
If the British Falklands people freely wish to remain British then that is their free choice,
And you have no right to either oppose their decision or threaten them, your abusive lies and intimidation , copied with harassments intent and international condemnation of an innocent peoples,
Is truly worthy of criminal actions, and CFK and her government should be charged with harassment of the islanders,

You are a total disgrace, and you call your selves civilised and a respecters of human rights,
Hypercrits..

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323 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
Briton

Don't you think you are using the word “terrorism” a bit loosely?

Are you a terrorist for protesting now?

Maybe one is a terrorist for expressing ones views in public?

And as we are in the habit of correcting eachothers English, it's “hypocrites”...
324 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:10 pm Report abuse
#320
Stevie, have you been active on this site as Guzz?
For all I know, you could be an Argentine, pretending to be from Urguyay and on the dole in Denmark. Then again, that could me...
All I can really assure you is that no one seems to know anyone here. You should ask Señor Think, as he knows more than I. (except about good wine)
One last thing, that watch of his must be fake. I carefully examined the markings on the watch like his in the picture. It doesn't match the brand he claims it is...
:o
325 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
Chicureo
For all I know, you could be Colombian, pretending to be Chileno and on the dole in Miami. Then again...

You don't wish to answer my question and I understand you.

If I were yo, I wouldn't have answered either...

It's a shame Allende held us back.
We weren't allowed to interfere in Chilean politics, that was the deal...
326 briton (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
323 Stevie (#)
Briton

Don't you think you are using the word “terrorism” a bit loosely?
,,,,,,,,,,,,,
You may or may not have a valid point over the name,
And protesting is not terrorism,
But to be fair,
What would you----
Call this mans actions,

recalling two incidents: when his group attack with stones and sticks against representatives’ offices from British maritime agencies in Argentina,
Included the burning of a Union Jack
We had the full support from the Argentine state [his words]
Starting fires, and causing expensive damage,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Perhaps you could suggest an appropriate name for people like mr toni, backed by the official government,
If so, then another word may well be used.
thanks

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327 Think (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
(276) Troy Tempest
You know very little about everything…..
But nothing about Shturmanskies…..

1) Your link refers to the ”SERIAL NUMBER” of the Shturmanskie chronograph, not the YEAR….

2) Shturmanskie chronographs didn’t exist until the mid-70’s…

Ps:
(324) Chicureo..... As original as this beauty.........;-)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Q3XPnKMBY
328 briton (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
Stevie no offence mate but’’
And as we are in the habit of correcting each others English, it's “hypocrites”...
Nay lad

If I wanted to say “hypocrites”...i would have written “hypocrites”...
But I meant to say-Hypercrits.. and this is what was written.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I never correct the meaning of others
When what is written is understandable,
Only if in/unintelligible would one be asked to repeat..
thanks

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329 ChrisR (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
322 briton

But let's see it for what it is.

A garrulous mouthed, pony tail wearing, argie cuelo, who has not achieved anything of any merit in his life.

This is his chance to demonstrate to the world, well The Dark Country anyway, what he is capable off.

Let us list his attributes:

1) Wears a pony tail. Remember what the Irish lad said what you find when you lift a ponies tail? An horses arse, otherwise known as shit for brains;

2) Has a can of spray paint. That puts him head and shoulders above the usual thug who only has a knife: he can blind the mugs he robs BEFORE he knifes them and runs away;

3) Has mates who own dish towels to hide their faces in consideration of the public if they are as ugly as Gorgeous ‘Toni’;

4) These mates of his are very good at smashing black plastic bags to bits with a bit of wood instead of just opening the top;

5) Has motor skills that enable him to play ‘walkies’ with the first two fingers of his right hand on a glass table. I suspect he is a La Campora physical training officer who is honoured to teach the others how to use more than one finger of one hand when they type their crap during their shift at ‘promoting the Legend of TMBOA;

I could of course talk about the brave victorious veterans of the Falklands World War and how they single handedly drove the British from the Islands: but it would all be bollocks just as everything else is about this bunch of twats.

LOLs
330 Steve-33-uk (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie
Let be clear what the definition of Terrorism is, you can then make your own mind up about 'Resistencia Malvinas'...

'Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion. In the international community, however, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition.[1][2] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war. The use of similar tactics by criminal organizations for protection rackets or to enforce a code of silence is usually not labeled terrorism, though these same actions may be labeled terrorism when done by a politically motivated group. The writer Heinrich Böll and scholars Raj Desai and Harry Eckstein have suggested that attempts to protect against terrorism may lead to a kind of social oppression.[3][4]
The word “terrorism” is politically and emotionally charged,[5] and this greatly compounds the difficulty of providing a precise definition. Studies have found over 100 definitions of “terrorism”.[6][7] The concept of terrorism may be controversial as it is often used by state authorities (and individuals with access to state support) to delegitimize political or other opponents,[8] and potentially legitimize the state's own use of armed force against opponents (such use of force may be described as “terror” by opponents of the state).Terrorism has been practiced by a broad array of political organizations to further their objectives. It has been practiced by both right-wing and left-wing political parties, nationalistic groups, religious groups, revolutionaries, and ruling governments.[10] An abiding characteristic is the indiscriminate use of violence against noncombatants for the purpose of gaining publicity for a group, cause, or
331 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
Hahahahaha

You brand everything and everybody you disagree with as “terrorists” :)

Tell you what, a couple of burnt tyres never terrorised anybody but some neighbours unlucky with the wind.
A burnt flag never kept anyone awake in fear.

Bombs falling on your head though, that is terrorising...

And Briton
Just to avoid misunderstandings. If you didn't mean hypocrites with your “hypercrits”, what did you mean?
Because if it's not hypocrites, it is indeed unintelligible...
332 Steve-33-uk (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
Not been much FI related news recently, which I guess is a good thing...

'Falkland Islands seek public suggestions on Margaret Thatcher memorial - THE Government of the Falkland Islands have asked residents for ideas on how to honour the memory of late former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.'
www.express.co.uk/news/world/395763/Falkland-Islands-seek-public-suggestions-on-Margaret-Thatcher-memorial

'Argentina’s farewell to Margaret Thatcher'
www.newstatesman.com/voices/2013/04/argentinas-farewell-margaret-thatcher

'With the traditional “Baptism of Fire” remind Argentina Air Force 31 years the South Atlantic Conflict'
www.newstatesman.com/voices/2013/04/argentinas-farewell-margaret-thatcher

'A peace strategy to confront imperialist barbarism'
www.alainet.org/active/63663&lang=es

'Perotti was received by Chinese Premier ~ Prime Minister Li Keqiang expressed the support to our country by claim of sovereignty of the Falkland Islands and urged renewed dialogue between nations.'
www.sinmordaza.com/noticia/171152-perotti-fue-recibido-por-el-primer-ministro-chino.html
333 Chicureo (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:48 pm Report abuse
Think
Outstanding, skills of the driver. Sort of like Russian pilots and rocket scientists. Perhaps not the best equipment, but they make it work.
Except for frozen fish blocks, but I'm ranting again...
The worst car I ever had was British... The best is Subaru.
My question to you: Have you ever watched the movie with Dustin Hoffman: Wag the Dog? I think I have a second coming with Tu-154s. I could sell them worldwide, except in Port Stanley...
334 ChrisR (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
AND: now the pictorial evidence of the real problems in BsAs.

lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/evolucin-changes-in-latin-american-photojournalism

And this picture does not lie.
335 Anglotino (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
ChrisR

Photo 11?

WOW!

That doesn't seem right. According to the following fora, DanyBerger has just finished his thesis in 2000 character chapters to conclusively prove that Australia's poverty issues and slums are WORSE than Kenya, Peru and ARGENTINA:

en.mercopress.com/2013/04/25/official-poverty-in-argentina-2.5-million-people-private-estimate-11-million#comment243151
en.mercopress.com/2013/04/24/falkland-island-s-booming-economy-request-to-develop-two-200-bed-accommodations#comment243048

Seems a picture says 2000 characters.
336 Stevie (#) Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
Chris
Those pictures are from Mexico, Spain, Brazil, Afghanistan, Venezuela...
Bloody all over the world.

Do you ever read anything? Even if a picture says more than a thousand words, there are a few words that DO provide you with crucial information...
337 britanico (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 01:01 am Report abuse
The worst car I ever had was British...

Well, Argentina kept the old Hillman Avenger in production years after it was past its sell-by date in the UK. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Volkswagen_1500_Argentina.jpg

The best is Subaru.

Which is fully imported from Japan, not assembled in Latin America.
338 Gordo1 (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:35 am Report abuse
CNN today - an explanation for trolls behavious

edition.cnn.com/2013/04/28/health/argentina-psychology-therapists/index.html?hpt=ila_c1
339 Anglotino (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 06:27 am Report abuse
Gordo1

Hardly!

Other than Simon68, Nostrils and Think, which posters even live in Argentina?

Oh hang on, Dany claimed today that he'd moved there.
340 Clyde15 (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 10:19 am Report abuse
#333
I have seen the other side of the Lada, a colleague of mine bought one when they first came onto the UK market When I heard him pull up, I thought he was driving a tractor. However, the price was good and although it got you from A to B, it was not a nice car to drive and very heavy on fuel.
The crunch came 3 months later, the gearbox seized when he was driving through town. This wrecked the transmission and damaged the engine beyond economic repair. His next folly was a Ford Capri - a sheep in wolves clothing. Enough said !
It was not until the Japanese built factories in the UK that build quality soared. When the first lines of Nissans were produced, they were highly sought after in Japan as they were better built than the Japanese versions.
341 yankeeboy (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
33. It's picture #11 we are looking at, and btw that looks like every small town outside of BA or in the remote provinces.
No paved roads, sewage running in the streets, wild dogs everywhere, drunk people passed out in bars, or in the heat outside of their hovel or in the sidewalk, filthy shoeless kids begging for money. It is not a pretty picture.
342 ChrisR (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
336 Stevie

You can read as well as I can, I never said it was ONLY BsAs. I did expect the link to default to No. 11, but take it as a challenge to spot BsAs!” How come EVERYBODY else knew it was 11?

I must admit even I was surprised quite how bad it was.
343 Simon68 (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
For those of you who are interested in how Argentina's (mis)government is seen by the International Assessment and Strategy Center, read the linked report. It is very enlightening!!!!!!

www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20130227_BacktotheFuture.pdf
344 Chicureo (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
Clyde,
Don't get me wrong. Some of the British cars that were available during the 70's were just beautiful and they had class. But they seemed to residide in a garage until we could get new parts as they broke down constantly. after the UP in Chile, we had access to Japanese cars and the rest is history. The South Koreans are doing a great job as well. When I lived in America (Norte) I loved driving around in those big monsters, but they only do well in countries where fuel is cheap.
Today, my whole family drives Subaru, except for my wife who prefers the Teutonic manufactured vehicles.
345 yankeeboy (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
Simon, That is a damning report and sounds like most of my posts!
346 Stevie (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
www.strategycenter.net/about/pageID.1/default.asp

“IASC is a ”think-tank“ focused on medium and long-term security issues and their impact on the security of the United States and her key interests and allies. IASC is supported by foundations, corporations and private donors, and by contract work performed for the U.S. Government.”

Dismissed for being biased.

Even the abstract is biased!!!
347 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
@346 Stevie
“Dismissed for being biased”

Why would they be biased? In what way?

Their clients are looking for an opportunity for trade or to invest to make money.

Surely, they will report in the best interests of their clients, and if they see potential threats or problems, those will be identified as a risk and a reason to proceed/invest with caution, or not at all.

On the other hand, Argentina is much more biased, desperate for capital, and trade, their economy is in jeopardy andd they will only promote themselves. Certainly no mention of the downsides.
I know who I would listen to.
348 Stevie (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
Troy

Read the abstract (!!!)

“Under the corrupt populist administration of...”

The ABSTRACT is biased.
No thinking person with even an ounce of source criticism would take that article seriously.

You lot will, of course.
But that's another discussion...
349 Clyde15 (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
#344
The last “British ” car I owned was a Morris Minor Traveler with a 1098cc engine - way back in 1971. Parts were cheap and repairs were easy. I even took the cylinder head off to repair a burned out valve. This was in the open air, 60 miles from the nearest garage with only a set of ring spanners to do the job. It took 3 hours and worked fine after it. After that I owned 4 Renaults until I bought a Nissan Primera ,Virtually no problems with it and I gave it to my son at 125,000 miles. He had it until he bought a LWB Land Rover. I then bought another Primera and currently drive a Toyota Avensis 2.0 Diesel. Suburu's are well made cars but expensive to run in the UK. Insurance is high, fuel consumption is high and taxing it is dear because of high CO2 emissions.
As a matter of interest, motoring costs in the UK are high.
The average cost of taxing and insuring a vehicle would be around £500 at best and it could be much, much more depending on the vehicle, your age and where you live.
Fuel costs in the UK are about £1.32 a litre for petrol and £1.36 a litre for diesel.
350 yankeeboy (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
Stevie, I hate to break it to you but that is a very well respected organization that serves many senior levels in the US Gov't.
This report is not going to be taken lightly
The Ks connections to Drug cartels, the high level of corruption, cozying up with Iran etc etc etc.
Do you seriously think this is going unnoticed in DC?
I wonder if the USA is building a case against CFK?
Not gonna be good....
351 Think (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
(344) Chicureo

“All the family”?
Aren't you forgetting the Argie Amarok from el yernito?
352 Stevie (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
yanqui
You lot always seem to respect biased, murderous, torturing and intrusive organizations.

Nothing new about that.
You lot should really stop making and smuggling drugs from Colombia before pointing any fingers...
353 briton (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
toni must be very happy
we / you have gone from conetto,s to terrorism , too cars .
governments from the USA to the UK back to Argentina.

Still
changing the subject is slowly becoming a way of life on here..
does argentina have fish & chip shops then.
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354 trenchtoast (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
So she spent over $110,000 on 20 pairs of Christian Louboutin shoes. I'll never understand women and their shoe cravings.
355 yankeeboy (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
352. It is a non-profit think tank's research on The Ks and their dastardly deeds.

Don't think for a minute this report isn't being read by high level gov't officials.

We prosecute a lot of nasty drug dealer's and dictators here
356 Stevie (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
355
yes, except your own ones...
357 briton (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
French carrier to escape defense cuts
France is to cut another 24,000 defense posts by 2019
This is on top of the 54,000 between 2008 and 2015
But the carriers will remain; it’s very old and dilapidated.
www.bfbs.com/news/french-carrier-escape-defence-cuts-63431.html

Middle East 'future for UK military'
The uk forces will increase in the future as the Americans scale down and head towards the pacific..
www.bfbs.com/news/uk/middle-east-future-uk-military-63429.html

we may yet need an bigger airbase for the falklands, to protect the antarctic, the south Atlantic will be full of British ships..
358 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
@356stevie

So, you agree that drug dealers and dictators are “bad” then?

And should they be put out of business?
359 Chicureo (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 08:09 pm Report abuse
#351
Full marks Think, but I was referring to cars, which if regarding pickups, I should also add the VW, Toyota and Ford brands to.
360 Think (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
(359) Chicureo
Ahhhhhhhh........; Pick-Ups from Ford, Toyota and Volkswagen…..

Amaroks….
www.volkswagen.com.ar/es/modelos/amarok/galeria.html

Hiluxes…..
www.toyota.com.ar/cars/new_cars/hilux/index.aspx

and Rangers….
www.ford.com.ar/crossovers-suvs-4x4/nueva-ranger

All excellent vehicles..., made in Argentina with ~60-70% national components.

Thank you and your family for being discerning customers and buying Argentinean quality :-)
361 Chicureo (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
Well, Think, I would have no problem if they were assembled across the Andes, but in fact the Ford F150 is from the USA and the ancient Toyota is from Japan.
362 toooldtodieyoung (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
350 yankeeboy

“I wonder if the USA is building a case against CFK?”

Actually, that might not be such a bad idea. In fact I can't understand why KFC and her fat moronic son haven't been arrested and hauled up in front of some court and made to explain why they just happened to be so rich all of a sudden...... After all, no one should be above the law, Right???

I mean, no country would stand for having an overtly corrupt President in charge would they? Some one who, let's say, for the the sake of argument, diverted money that was supposted to be for improving / repairing the railway network into her own bank account which then caused a fatal train crash........?

No one would stand for that would they?

What I'm saying is that no one would want a leader who only concern after winning an election was to “look after number one” right?

Imagine the supprise and the shock if “The people” found out that their leader had been stealing off them all these years??? Corrupt Politicians?? who would have guessed, right?
363 Stevie (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
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Bring Bush and Blair to justice before you lot play the Knights of Morals :)
364 ChrisR (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
TMBOA is going to rely on the likes of “Gorgeous Toni” (still a womans name) more and more to attempt to keep the populace in line. It will work for a while then there may be carnage.

I wonder if the method of her “leaving” has been decided yet by the real power in AR, the mafia.

LOLs
365 Troy Tempest (#) Apr 30th, 2013 - 11:52 pm Report abuse
@think

“All excellent vehicles..., made in Argentina with ~60-70% national components”

A typical Argentine statement - can't say anything produced by foreigners is good unless you say the pieces were put together by Argies.

Like those planes... all 100% made in Argentina,

ahhh except for the ejector seats

er, and the engines

um, maybe landing gear too

but the sum total is great - a design from the 80's
366 GFace (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
191 Chicureo

Your list forgets one major travel DISadvantage - one that I take in to account when I fly nationally, let alone globally and I am rather surprised that noone else seems to get this:

Aerolineas ~~barely~~ belongs to Skyteam; like AeroMexico, it cannot project metal to their mother hub at Schipol (heck, even freakin Garuda can get there!). At best both are passive members of the alliance. And overall, Skyteam having backed a dead horse with AA, underplayed Africa and totally eff-ed up in Oceania has royally botched southern hemisphere market viability.

As such, logically and logistically, the optimal (but not shortest) way to go commercial to the UK from the FI is through British Airlines -- i.e., OneWorld. Slumming with AA means one hell of a lost leg and lost miles on an nationalized (and mismanaged) airline that is pathologically hostile and contemptuous to the Islanders. But who else is part of BA's alliance and who has codeshares and miles sharing agreements? That would be Lan, making them the natural partner for the UK-bound traveler as well as one with business in other SA countries not just because of their continued national pride in making their Dirty War the Islanders problem. This makes having an extra miles accruing segment (AWAY from a country that continues to masterbate at the thought of standing on the Islanders necks like they did briefly in 82) somewhat (and maybe more than somewhat) worth it.
367 Chicureo (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 01:47 am Report abuse
#366
Maybe the frequent flyer program is substandard, but they still currently plan three direct flights per week from Jorge Newberry to Mount Pleasant, with several convenient domestic and international connections providing convenience for customers and enhancing  the quality of the Islanders lives.  It was also noted ”That since they will be considered domestic flights, there will be no visa requirements for islanders to travel to Argentina,” Argentinian Consul General Ricardo Bocalandro said.
368 ChrisR (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
367 Chicureo

I just CANNOT see this half-arsed idea getting off the ground (see what I did there) if only for the fact the FIG quite rightly will want passport controls and may even set up a visa system considereing it is the belligerent argies we are talking about. It does not matter what the Consul General says, he is from a system that consistently tells lies about the history of the Falklands.

And ANYTHING operated and maintained by AA will be a one way ticket sooner or later.
369 Troy Tempest (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
Once the Falklands become dependent on their enemies, what then?

Chile has reached out a hand of friendship when it was needed. Now, they'll be discarded for short- lived convenience before Argentina starts playing games again ?

Looks like a bad idea, leaving yourselves vulnerable.

I would ask if you think Chilé might get their noses out of joint.
370 Simon68 (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
367 Chicureo (#)
May 03rd, 2013 - 01:47 am

There are some things that are too painful to joke about, one is that one about CFK “... enhancing the quality of the Islanders lives...”

That is possibly the most frightening thing I've seen written!!!!!
371 GFace (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
@367 (Pardon while I annex MercoPress in the name of Flyertalk.com), it's not about the FF program, it's about its ability to transfer perks between other carriers. AA may be perfectly fine if you are staying regional near AR. It's probably better for the AR families wanting who don't fly much otherwise to visit the graves caused by AR's failed Hail Mary move to retain the Junta. But the Islanders self-identify as British as is their rights. I can't speak for FI flyers and clients of FI industry but I'll make a S.W.A.G. and suspect they'd rather fly BA or at least gain and retain BA/OW perks for the long distances they have to fly. I know I do when *I* fly (which is why for me, except for when I lived in Australia, Skyteam, Aerolineas's alliance, is my family's alliance since it gets me out of town and home faster and easier than my local alternatives) AND we have good status on them and the perks that go with them.

But back to Mercopress.... You are missing the point. You are forgetting that the Argentines lost their illegal war of aggression and illegal occupation and the Islanders control their own lives now. Islanders may not want AA. They may want LAN. That is all that matters. Buenos Aires can make claims about their plans and pretend that they won their dirty war and have a say in entry requirements on Islands like they did when they held guns to the people's heads. But the FIG, from whom they run away like silly kindergartners fleeing the cooties of self-determination, are the ones to call the ball on this.

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