Wednesday, May 1st 2013 - 06:14 UTC

Argentina openly clashes with UN over the judicial reform; calls Rapporteur ‘ignorant’

Argentina expressed on Tuesday its “discomfort” over the “unheard of” attitude displayed by the UN Special Rapporteur, Gabriela Knaul, who urged the Cristina Fernández administration to reconsider the Council of Magistrates reform and injunction regulation bills.

Ms Knaul, urged the review of the bills on the Magistrates Council reform and ruling of the cautionary measures

In a press statement released by the Foreign Ministry, the Argentine government said the UN's message “not only strays from the standards of professional and independence ethics expected from the head of an organization such as the Rapporteur, but it also shows a lack of balance. It is a stray from the Rapporteur's mandate.”

“It's paradoxical that whoever has obtained the mandate to protect the independence of judges and lawyers lambastes the basic principles of the law and arriving to conclusions without even getting the answers to the questions she asked last Friday evening,” the Ministry said.

The UN Special Rapporteur on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers, Gabriela Knaul, urged the Argentine Government to review the bills on the Magistrates Council reform and ruling of the cautionary measures, approved by the Lower House last week.

Knaul classified “selection of Magistrates Council members via political parties” and “limits to the cautionary measures” as bills that “contradict with the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).”

“The State has the responsibility to ensure the independence of the judiciary by respecting its laws and international standards,” stressed the Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and lawyers.

“By providing the opportunity for political parties to propose and organize the election of the directors, the independence of the Magistrates Council is put at risk, which seriously compromises the principles of separation of powers and independence of the judiciary, which are fundamental elements of any democracy and any rule of law,” Ms. Knaul said.

“The provision on partisan election of members of the Magistrates Council is contrary to Article 14 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Basic Principles on the Independence of the judiciary,” Ms. Knaul said.

The draft law also modifies the requirements to be a candidate to become a member of the Council, and reduces the majorities required for the adoption of relevant decisions, including for the removal of judges, with no possibility of appeal.

“I call on Argentina to establish clear procedures and objective criteria for the dismissal and punishment of judges, and to ensure an effective process through which judges can challenge those decisions in order to safeguard judicial independence,” said the Special Rapporteur.

The Argentine government insisted in its reply that the UN Rapporteur with its release, before receiving Argentina’s reply on her requests “turned the UN into prosecutor, magistrate and executioner of a member country”.

The Foreign ministry release says that the Argentine representation before the international organization in Geneva held a meeting with Jane Connors, head of the Special Procedures Division from the High Commissioner Office for Human Rights “to express its displeasure with the misconduct of the Rapporteur lease” and then states that “the same concern with the improper conduct of the Rapporteur is shared by the High Commissioner’s Office”.

Finally Argentina states that the Rapporteur expresses “ignorance or political partisanship on recommending a participative and inclusive dialogue with the society and juridical community”, because there was feedback from civil society which “proposed and obtained several changes incorporated to the bills in discussion”.

But the judiciary reform which is already partly promulgated in the midst of great controversy in the Argentine Congress, and despite the attack on the US Rapporteur, has been questioned by most of the opposition political arch, magistrates and lawyers groupings plus national and international organizations.

On Tuesday a decree promulgated the law that controls injunctions against the state following last week’s session at the Lower House when the bill was passed amid strong tensions between ruling party and opposition lawmakers.

The 456/2013 decree was published at the official gazette promulgating the controversial law, part of the six-bill package submitted to Congress by President Cristina Fernández with the purpose of “democratization” Argentina’s judiciary system.
 

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1 HansNiesund (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:02 am Report abuse
How long can it be till Argentina decides to start its own United Nations?
2 toxictaxitrader2 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:56 am Report abuse
Of all the mistakes the C.F.K. administration has made this is the most serious,comparisons with North Korea are ridiculous but Argentina can now be compared to Belorussia .I pray the elections in October provide an opportunity to reverse this, without an independent judiciary investment will be very hard to come by!
3 Britworker (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:22 am Report abuse
As I have said before, she is the Mugabe of South America
4 screig (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:25 am Report abuse
(1) “How long can it be till Argentina decides to start its own United Nations?”

Ha ha ha
Outstanding, funniest thing I have read in ages!!!
5 Iron Man (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:34 am Report abuse
How to win friends and influence people pt 742.... call them ignorant.
6 Bongo (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:10 am Report abuse
Does this mean Argentina will stop quoting UN resolutions with regard to the Falklands?
7 Orbit (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:50 am Report abuse
#6 - could be... Timerman didn't realise the UN did other stuff than be a whinge shop for their failed land grab. They are shocked to find its not a one way street, take, take, take forum.
8 Monkeymagic (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:13 am Report abuse
But they were “jump up and down” delighted when the Chair of the C24 Decollonization committee strayed from his mandate and gave a personal view (which they sponsored).

Timmerman and others have taken this “personal view” and dressed it up as a UN position.

Odd that they don't like a perfectly reasonable UN view that is against them.
9 Britishbulldog (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:45 am Report abuse
You have to laugh at these ignorant peasants who belong in the stone age.
10 downunder (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:53 am Report abuse
Well, well well, the Argentine government that has tried to use and abuse the UN resolutions and and advice when it comes to the Falklands, suddenly finds itself on the receiving end of questions and a UN rebuke regarding how it runs its democratic institutions. I guess that the UN has now gone from N01 to No 10 in Hector's estimation. When are these clowns goning to wake up to themselves?
11 GALlamosa (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:54 am Report abuse
Oh dear !!! Is it just not possible that the RG's got this a bit wrong. How about listening to some advice ??
12 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:09 am Report abuse
UK doesn't follow UN resolutions, not even when it comes to invading sovereign nations.

Now the Brits are pointing fingers telling Argentina to follow a UN advice?

Do as I say but not as I do, isn't it?

Tell you what, do as you wish and leave SA alone, you bunch of hypocrites

;)
13 ChrisR (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:11 am Report abuse
11 GALlamosa

But TMBOA took advice from that little voice in her head which is constantly telling her “You are the fairest in the Land, forget Snow White of the UN but listen to Grumpy, Dozy and the other dwarf brains in your government”

LOLs
14 RICO (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:17 am Report abuse
What I don't understand is why in the past the United Kingdom was willing to discuss the Falkland Islands with an un-democratic government but know that Argentina is a democracy (by which I mean descending into a failed state where opposition to the government is ruthlessly suppressed) it is unwilling to talk.
15 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:22 am Report abuse
RICO
That's easy.
It's because the Brits love the word “democracy”.
But they can't stand the meaning of it...
16 Britninja (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:49 am Report abuse
@15 Don't be bitter just because so many members of your precious South American brotherhood are backward cesspools of despotic corruption. One day when you evolve a little and become actual democracies instead of the pathetic shams you have now, you won't be so inferior anymore. :)
17 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:55 am Report abuse
16
You mean like those who invades sovereign nations in order to steal their natural resources?

Democrazy :)
18 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:57 am Report abuse
@Stevie why do you get so pissed when everything is going against Argentina?? are you happy to just sit back and get dragged down the shit hole with the botox queen?
19 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
andy the toe

I'm not pissed.

Here, have a hug.

See?

;)
20 Monkeymagic (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:08 pm Report abuse
RICO

In the past we were prepared to discuss the sovereignty of the Sudentland with Adolf Hitler, (who by most accounts was a fairly nasty chap). Please feel free to google the “Munich Agreement”.

However, were Frau Merkel (who is generally a decent woman) to suggest that perhaps the Sudentland sovereignty be “put back on the table”, most of the decent world would shudder and be appalled.
21 Bongo (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
@16

You'll be lucky.

People like this are positive proof that evolution is going in the wrong direction.

Devolution anyone?
22 Monkeymagic (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:12 pm Report abuse
@17

Yes exactly, the Argentines invaded British sovereign territory in 1982 in order to steal its natural resources. Thanks for reminding RICO.

P.s. Of course I know you were trying to make some snide remark about the Iraqi liberation, subsequent return to democracy, and granting of oil production licences to whomever that democratically elected government chooses (as invasion and theft)...but let's not have that debate again, there are only so many times I can hand your arse to you on a plate in a week.
23 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
Monkey
I never intended to change your views on the matter.
I'm merely presenting you with the truth, as the lies about WMD's are well documented.
But instead you choose to cling to another lie, and it's limited what I can do about it.
24 HansNiesund (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:26 pm Report abuse
@14
Rico, it seems you have misunderstood quite a lot. The UK is willing to discuss anything with Argentina, with the sole proviso that it will only discuss sovereignty with islanders present. This is a democratic step too far for The representatives of the implanted population of Argentina, of course, who refuse to sit down on the grounds that implanted populations have no rights. All very confusing.

And of course there's also the small matter of the 1982 war of Aggression and its 1000 deaths to bear in mind. It's probably fair to say we became slightly less keen on you after that.

I hope that's clearer for you now.
25 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:31 pm Report abuse
The implanted Brits (in Britain) wont discuss the islands with Argentina because they know they have no arguments.

So they invent a new name for the islanders, whom everybody knows they are Brits, including themselves.
26 Pirate Love (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
@23 lies??? so saddam never had chemical weapons and used them on the Iraqi kurds 4000 women and children and injuring twice as much in halabja the north in 1988?? invaded Kuwait raping and killing and then threatened regional soverign states with wmd?
just because the chemical weapons were not found doesn't mean they didn't exist, saddam was known to bury his armoury.....needle in a haystack come to mind? but you cannot deny he had them and used them,check it out its “well documented”, an appauling act from a lunatic in possession of WMD!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
27 HansNiesund (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
@25
I see. They're Brits. But you will only talk to Brits. Therefore you won't talk to them. That makes the usual sense.
28 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
Off topic much Stevie?

Plllleeeaaassee everyone talk about anything other than the article..... everyone... c'mon everyone..... don't worry about the article......

I know, let's talk about the UK.... or even weapons of mass distraction... I mean destruction.

It is obvious that Stevie is indeed the weapon of mass distraction.

So I will await Stevie pathetic attack and off topic reply. Just as night follows day, Stevie will be unable to restrain himself.

However it won't change the wording of the article or the impression that Argentina is having to others. Cristina is looking more like a dictator and the Foreign Ministry is looking like it employs absolute farkwits.

If Stevie hadn't clearly stated that he doesn't live in South America and has to use Google Translate to understand written Spanish, I would probably assume he worked for the Argentina Foreign Ministry.
29 Monkeymagic (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Now you are joining the trolls with your make believe.

Britain has ALL the arguments concerning the islands. Argentina has NONE.

Argentina cannot make a decent claim based on any of moral, legal, historical or geographic bases that would be required. These have been done to death on other threads but are so ludicrous, as to be pathetic.

It seems like millions upon million of Iraqis rather like my “lie” though Stevie, as they queue up to vote for THEIR government. Million upon millions of Iraqis will turn-out to vote next time, and the time after...democracy won at a very high cost.

Of course you prefered Saddam, Stevie. He actually did invade a sovereign country to steal its resources (Kuwait), he's just up your alley.

P.s.

1) Who does one become an ”implanted Brit (in Britain)”
2) are you an implanted Italian or Spaniard in Uruguay?
30 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
Pirate Love
Where did he get those chemical weapons from?
Who put him in power to start with?

When USA and the UK, with sidekicks, invaded Iraq with the excuse of WMD's, there were none. A proven lie.

Saddams crimes are your excuses, not your aim.
And the world knows.

27
You are a Brit too, that doesn't mean the issue should be discussed with you on a governmental level, does it?

29
Saddam was a piece of human waste.
A fact that doesn't make you lot any better.
The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend.

Brits are just as implanted in Britain as the Argentines are in Argentina, and the Uruguayans in Uruguay.
Or are you trying to tell me the Celts magically appeared in what is Britain today?
31 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
@ Stevie, you do know that Argentina is a country made up of mainly European immigrants
32 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:09 pm Report abuse
andy the toe
Argentina indeed has many European immigrant, and with the sorry state Europe is in now, they will probably be even more.
But you are wrong, Argentina is made up mainly of Argentines, as the vast majority of them didn't immigrate from nowhere.
33 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
@Stevie You can't even be honest about your own history perhaps you should take a look at that rat Alicia Castro in an interview with Sky news where she was made to look as stupid as an X flight attendant at her age could be she clearly states Argentina is a land of immigrants so she's lieing as always then

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEMS7diuDc

Does Castro do Drag Shows by the way???
34 cornelius (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:34 pm Report abuse
Argentina will become a totalitarian state, Argentina have is the most oppressive government since the military government of the pass they are going backwards they are after all a Bolivarian model. hah hah what a bunch of nincompoops.
If they can handle democracy bring back the military so they can clean the dirt that they have in the country.
35 andy65 (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
Kirchner is The Junta in tights
36 Monkeymagic (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:38 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Now you are running around in circles chasing your tale. So far this week we've had these “stunners” from you.

1) Iraqi elections aren't democracy because they are an “implanted democracy”
2) the reasons that LAMA have so few Nobel prizes is because they are “new countries”, a problem that doesn't seem to have hampered the USA.
3) Now, Argenitines are implanted, Uruguains are implanted, British are implanted..so are the Falklanders..but only the Falklanders can have that used as a reason to deny them self determination...when ironically, they are the only ones who didn't displace (or in your case genocidally cleanse) the previous inhabitants.

Keep em coming Stevie...your are catching John Nostil with these....
37 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
Seems like the only population that is not implanted are the ones found in East Africa.
What a fool
stupid stupid fool
It is no wonder he is flailing

Twist
38 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy
Monkeymagic
Andy65

Stevie isn't in Uruguay. As you can see he avoided my post at 28 even though his hubris kept him diligently replying to the posts on either side of mine.

His country is nowhere near Argentina according to his own words:
“Yes, I've been to South America on various ocassions, and I never fail visiting your little nation. I especially appreciate the way you guys express your views on public walls”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200711
“Uruguay is too small a country to be on wings, it would be hard to make it rentable.
Still, your nation is doing a great job in the education sector, a friend told me something about finally getting a university in your beloved “interior”. ”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200761

He obviously doesn't come from a Spanish speaking country:
“If you like me have difficulties with the Spanish language, try inserting the link in google translate.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200453

“I just translated Moyano's statements on lanacion.com and even if google translate sometimes comes up with weird translations, the headline is hard to misinterpret.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/21/looting-extends-in-argentina-two-people-shot-dead-dozens-injured-in-clashes-with-police#comment200481

“My Spanish might be rusty, and I confess I'm no good at reading or typing the language, but my understanding of the spoken language is enough to make out that he actually says that in the video.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/21/looting-extends-in-argentina-two-people-shot-dead-dozens-injured-in-clashes-with-police#comment200489

Stevie isn't in Uruguay, so everyone can stop insulting Uruguay.

How's that for a twist!!!!!!!
39 Britishbulldog (#) May 01st, 2013 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
17 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:55 a
16
You mean like those who invades sovereign nations in order to steal their natural resources?

Democrazy :)

You mean like Argentina invading a sovereign islands of the British and trying to steal the natural resources? And would do it again if they had the means. Now go boil your head or stick it up your arse.
40 Britninja (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:03 pm Report abuse
If I recall correctly, Stevie/Guzz was a parasite living in the EU to take advantage of a free training course in some boring-sounding maritime activity. When pointed out that it was a little hypocritical to bitch about how awful First World countries are while you're simultaneously exploiting their superior education and lifestyle...he didn't really have much of a defence. Clearly he still hasn't returned to South America yet to use his knowledge for the good of his “people”.
41 Monkeymagic (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
An implanted population would be where a nation state or large group of people of the same Nationality, deliberately move (or are moved) to an area to significantly alter the population dynamics and/or outnumber the indigenous people. Thereby giving them the right to democratically call for “self-determination” as they are now the majority.

You would struggle to find the last episode in British history when that happened, possibly the Norman Conquest, but then Normandy was British at the time. The Romans didn't outnumber us...no, it's difficult.

The Falklanders?

Well, as we know, there was no indigenous population, and all previous civilian populations had vacated the islands decades before voluntarily. There was the Vernet community (Vernet himself had left years previously leaving the British Brisbane in charge)..and then there was the 50 or so militia who'd arrived 2 months earlier from the UP. Not really sure I can see much implantation going on there.

But does it matter, great countries like Australia, USA and Canada are implanted, despotic pariah states like Argentina are too...all before 1945 and the UN....it is only Argentina that can't see whatever they claim happened in 1833 is irrelevant, even if it were truthful, which it isn't.

Where Stevie is so thick, is that he can only see the world as sovereign states under the UN, everybody must be one...he is too dumb to realise that some places are too small to be a sovereign state in their own right and wish to affiliate with a larger country for their security or foreign affairs.

Not only would he deny them these rights, he thinks HE gets to choose which country they should be a part of....and not THEM...LOL.

Poor Guzz, never mind.
42 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:12 pm Report abuse
36
Those you call the Falklanders aren't implanted.
They are tourists...

Anglolatino
Try my rusty Spanish...

;)

39
No, I mean like USA and the UK as of today.
Present time.
43 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Stevie

I don't doubt your Spanish is rusty!

What would be expected of someone that doesn't live in a Spanish speaking country.

Bit every time you pretend to live in Uruguay or be Latin American I'll just copy and paste that entry.

You opinion is like the Argentine Peso, devaluing, because you prefer to lie.
44 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
Whatever you say Anglolatino

;)
45 Conqueror (#) May 01st, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
@12 Sorry? Back in 1982, argieland refused to comply with a UN Security Council resolution. The only type of UN resolution that is BINDING upon all members. Wasn't argieland a member? Yes it was. Did it fail to comply? Yes it did. Leading directly to the deaths of 3 Falkland Islanders and 255 British service personnel. A definite 258 war crimes. But then there's another 775 war crimes that resulted in British wounded. All the war crimes consequent upon herding over a hundred Islanders, including children, into a community hall, under armed guard, without food, water or protection from bombing or artillery fire. And the additional war crime of placing artillery adjacent to civilian homes. And this is the place that a pretend-Uruguayan, who's never been near the place, thinks should be “left alone”. Bomb it. Missile it. Strafe it. Kill it. And when all that has been done, nuke it!
@15 Shut it, brown noser!
@17 Shut it, arse-licker!
@23 At what point in time did you think you understood “truth”. Give you a clue. In 1982, a “quasi-country” attacked, invaded and occupied a peaceful civilian community with 66,000 troops. Most of whom were too cowardly to go ashore in case the 80 Royal Marines counterattacked. There's some truth for you!
@25 No. WE Brits won't discuss the Falkland Islands with a shithole. And a shithole that won't even pay to wipe its own arse!
@30 You missed a point in your last paragraph. The “Brits” arrived in Britain when it was the norm. The scum invaded South America when it wasn't. But the scum are still there.
@32 Really? Then you should accept the Falkland Islanders as they are. Because “the vast majority of them didn't immigrate from nowhere” either.
@42 Wow! “The scum” thinks it's got an answer. But it doesn't, does it? “Stevie” “exposed”. Probably wanders round the streets “exposing” itself. “Think I'm a woman? But I've got a prick!” Wrong. It's “Think I'm a woman? No, I'm a prick!” Think on this. Shit surfaces! And you've surfaced.
46 Baxter (#) May 01st, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
As always Stevie having a field day , must be a holiday there ! The point is that what the UN says is true . Nothing to do with the Falklands or other themes . Just pointing out that the country is sliding towards chaos . And this was written before the laws on the legal system were passed !
47 Anbar (#) May 01st, 2013 - 03:56 pm Report abuse
wow, BAD week for ReichsChancelor Kirchner or what?

Slapped around by her favourite source of miss-quotes... and in public no less.

Sounds like it stung rather a lot judging by the reply from her fellow Kleptocrats.

- - -

I'm confused - Stevie is Uruguayan, he's claimed so many a time and often abuses others to not comment on his country or his neighbours unless you actually live there.

Whats all this about him not being able to speak SPanish - i thought SPanish was the language of Uruguay...? (Or is it Portuguese?)
48 yankeeboy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
His English leaves a lot to be desired too.

Mayhap he never made it out of High School, a good portion of Rgs don't make it out of 6th grade so that says a lot about our posters.
49 Terence Hill (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
30 Stevie

“When USA and the UK, with sidekicks, invaded Iraq with the excuse of WMD's, there were none. A proven lie.” Where's your proof?

lie 2 |laɪ| |lʌɪ|

noun

an intentionally false statement : Mungo felt a pang of shame at telling Alice a lie | the whole thing is a pack of lies.
• used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression : all their married life she had been living a lie.
verb ( lies |laɪz|, lied |ˈlid|, lying |ˈlī-i ng | |ˈlaɪɪŋ| |ˈlʌɪɪŋ|) [ intrans. ]
tell a lie or lies : why had Wesley lied about his visit to Philadelphia? | [with direct speech ] “I am sixty-five,” she lied.
• ( lie one's way into/out of) get oneself into or out of a situation by lying : you lied your way on to this voyage by implying you were an experienced sailor.
• (of a thing) present a false impression; be deceptive

Given that both that the States and the UK relied on the following informants, while there may be a case for carelessness, there certainly isn't any lying from the respective governments.

Iraq: The Spies Who Fooled the World

“...Lord Butler, who after the war, conducted the first government inquiry into WMD intelligence, says Mr Blair and the intelligence community ”misled themselves“.

Lord Butler and Sir Mike agree Mr Blair did not lie, because they say he genuinely believed Saddam Hussein had WMD.

The most notorious spy who fooled the world was the Iraqi defector, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi. ...”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21786506
50 Faz (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:40 pm Report abuse
Pity the Rgs can't put up some decent trolls instead of that stupid little prick. The Rgs must be feeling pretty battered at all the negative gunfire they are experiencing from all sides. I suppose SA is just a Latin bubble outside the mainstream of world opinion. As the yanks are finding as they let in more and more Latinos it is condemning their country to socialism and the attendant inevitable economic decline. They need to wake up too...
51 slattzzz (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
Stevie aka guzz has done a lot of things APPARENTLY, he was a 1st engineering officer on a merchant ship running out of Montevideo then a student in Sweden among other things. All this before he was 16. By the way Stevie for your info I remember rg ships taking part in the blockade of Iraq, how do I remember? Because I was there mate, no doubt you will say it was in a peace keeping role only. Do you know anything about Saddam gassing and using nerve agents against the Kurds? No thought not you hypocrite
52 briton (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
Apparently its all the fault of the British ??
Just saying like,

Still..
Gabriela Knaul
Is prettier, younger, better looking,
Beautiful,
And that is all that is interesting here…

.
53 slattzzz (#) May 01st, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
@52 I must admit Ms Knaul is pretty hot
Back to Stevie aka Guzz do you also remember the Iraqis using chemical weapons against your new bezzy mates the Iranians? No thought not hypocrite
54 Brit Bob (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:11 pm Report abuse
@42 implanted.

The Falkland Islanders are no more implanted than Argentines are. You keep forgetting that in 1833 Argentina was 1,000 miles away from the Falkland Islands - now it's 300 because of territorial gains and settlers being 'implanted'.
55 GFace (#) May 01st, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
@51... “Do you know anything about Saddam gassing and using nerve agents against the Kurds? No thought not you hypocrite”

Don't you recall that at least according to little Tobias/TTT/Nostrodamus (or is it Napoleon) the 14th, that Saddam is on the same moral ground of victimhood from the big bad “Nortes” as Poland in WW2...
56 britanico (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
@52 That's Mrs Knaul to you, so back, boys! She's Brazilian - nice to see that CFK can't rely on Latin American solidarity. www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Judiciary/Pages/GKnaul.aspx
57 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
So Mrs Knaul is South American.

And Stevie isn't South American.

What an interesting day.

She probably speaks better Spanish than Stevie does.

I bet she lies a lot less than Stevie does too.
58 Chicureo (#) May 01st, 2013 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
By the way, STEVIE is GUZZ and is an Argentinian. He's not from Uruguay.

Let's allow all the implanted foreigners in South America sent back to their ancestral regions where they came. Poor Italy... Spain also.

Since Argentina is first in the alphabet, they start first...
59 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
Stevie bla bla bla Guzz bla bla bla...

You guys should be happy I spend far too much time here, otherwise your days would be quite sad...der
60 Faz (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
Stevie could you ask Hq to send us some more challenging trolls , you are too predictable and boring.
61 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:32 pm Report abuse
Faz
I asked Hq.
I got the answer:

“Tell them they get what they deserve”

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62 Britninja (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:46 pm Report abuse
@61 You have to be getting paid for doing this - it's the only logical explanation for why you'd spend so much time cluttering up the place with your mental diarrhea. If you're *not* getting paid then you're just a sad case. So either a lying sell-out or a dysfunctional weirdo, it's pretty much lose-lose :(
63 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
@58 Chicureo

“By the way, STEVIE is GUZZ and is an Argentinian. He's not from Uruguay.”

I was not on this site when GUZZ was here, so I prefer to do what STEVIE and THINK have shown is a most effective way to attack someone.

You use their own words on this site against them. That is what I have done.

STEVIE does not live in Uruguay - by his own words.
STEVIE is not fluent in Spanish - by his own words.
STEVIE does not live in South America - by his own words.

Is STEVIE, GUZZ? Not important.
Where does STEVIE live? Not important.

Does STEVIE lie - by his own words - yes.
Does STEVIE devalue all his stands for? - yes.

Is STEVIE now deflecting left, right and centre?

Hell yeah and it is quite entertaining.

@59 Stevie

“You guys should be happy I spend far too much time here, otherwise your days would be quite sad...der”

Oh I am very happy you are here! You have now proven to be the most entertaining poster on here.

“Tell them they get what they deserve”

I'm not sure what serendipitous action I performed to deserve getting someone so ineffectual at trolling as you.

OWNED!

DER indeed!
64 Stevie (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
Hahahaha Anglolatino
You surely OWNED me there :)

Now what?

Hahahahhaha!!!
65 Anglotino (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:22 pm Report abuse
Stevie

There's no “now what”.

Destroying someone's credibility is the end result. Now you just go on posting as you have done before.

But everything you say or write is now worthless. You lied. You were caught.

Now continue as you have. Or time for a new nick perhaps?
66 Captain Poppy (#) May 01st, 2013 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
These trolls remind me of Baghdad Bob.
67 Troy Tempest (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 02:26 am Report abuse
@65anglotino

Well done Anglotino

So, 'Stevie' is no longer an effective Troll foe?

Just a 'faux Tupa' now.
68 Anglotino (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 02:59 am Report abuse
@67 Troy

Stevie is trying to put a good spin on this but failing miserably. On an anonymous forum, the only thing you have is your ability to convey a viewpoint. And nearly all of Stevie's arguments and viewpoints have been based on a lie.

For instance, he can hardly talk about WMDs in Iraq now can he. Especially if that was a lie.

He can't talk about biased viewpoints like he is trying on the Farah Report article when his viewpoint is based on a lie.

So no, he is no longer really effective. Sheer stubborness and hurt pride will make him continue to posting under the Stevie name but eventually I will sniff out the next sock puppet he creates or has. There's no rush, I'll just bide my time.

Interesting that he chose the following article with few comments to ask me why. It is also funny that he accused me of not having anything else to say.

I have plenty to say but see no need to stop on this subject right now.

en.mercopress.com/2013/05/01/unpleasant-surprises-for-the-uruguayan-economy-predicts-a-us-financial-group#comment243826
69 Troy Tempest (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 03:39 am Report abuse
@78anglo

Just holding Stevies feet to the fire and making sure he doesn't slip off the hook (sorry, mixed metaphor) should be enough to render him ineffective.

Amazing how the Trolls background stories change to fit the argument/situation.

Such a common ploy too, all from the same book, I imagine.

I think things are really reaching a crisis within CFK's government - the loss of reliable allies, Chavez, the Castros, and a flakey Pepe, spiralling inflation, a resurgent Falklands, hostile UN and IMF, foundering Navy in port, and open dissension in the press and on the streets!!

Stevie has been on here constantly - contrarian to every utterance we make. He's joined by another senior, if not effective, Troll in order to shut down every voice and every argument.
I believe Thinkedover has all but given up. He doesn't even pretend that Dame Dover is anything but a sham - just kind of an 'in- joke' with the Brit ex-servicemen, now.

Amusing that these Trolls go out of their way to insist that they are intellectually, ideologically, and morally superior to the US/UK types on MP, but none of them will hear a single bad word about CFK or criticise her or her policies in any way.
That's oxymoronic in itself.
As you pointed out, the coup de grace is that they have to lie and be blatantly, intellectually dishonest to support their positions.

Those amongst them that do not jump ship to an ascending RG politician will be out of a job soon enough :-)
70 Anglotino (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 06:00 am Report abuse
@69 Troy

Yes it is amazing how people such as you and I are accused of trolling when we are talking about articles and highlighting negativities of the Argentine government but they don't consider changing topic every post and sometimes never actually tackling the subject as not.

Stevie is (was) quite a contrarian and he is currently trying to neutralise how pathetic he is now looking after lying so consistently for the past 4-5 months.

The funny thing is that I warned him way back; his own words would come to bite him and they did big time.

But I admit it is funny that they just can't bring themselves to criticise anything about which ever economic or political model they follow. I am highly critical of my own country and my governments (state and federal) and will gladly list and discuss any of the issues we have or where my country is deficient. But that is the difference I guess, if Stevie, rylang23, Think, Nostrils did that then they wouldn't be able to discuss anything but the problems. So they find it easier to ignore or lie or deflect.
71 Troy Tempest (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 06:17 am Report abuse
@70Anglotino

“But I admit it is funny that they just can't bring themselves to criticise anything about which ever economic or political model they follow.”

Call me a Conspiracy Theorist, but I believe, Nostrils excepted, that they are directed and have an agenda they must adhere to. Beyond that, whatever their true feelings or defensiveness, their loyalty and devotion to CFK, La Campora, and the Peronists, would fall into question. They simply CANNOT go there.

They have been taught to use the same tactics.

I'm sure Stevie/Guzz, Thinkedover, Axel, and Dany all sit by a row of computers in a grubby canteen and smoke and troll, all day, exchanging stories of how clever they are.

Poor Nostrils is probably an indoctrinated, maladjusted, amateur - not a paid professional 'Dark Troll' like the others.
72 Anglotino (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 08:49 am Report abuse
Troy

I sort of feel sorry for Nostrils. He is a product of the Argentine schooling system and was all bright-eyed, bushy-tailed and ready to take on the world when he suddenly found out the utopia he had been fed was in actual fact a dystopia of the worst degree.

His youth blinds him and yet it might be his salvation as he grows out of his fallacies.
73 Faz (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 11:15 am Report abuse
If Stevie, Think etc cant speak Spanish they cant really live in RGland can they? I wonder if Mercopress could help as to whereabouts in the world these people operate from?
74 surfer (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
I couldn't care less where those guys live, however I think it's telling that all the posters who live in Argentina disagree with them.
75 Conqueror (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
@59 Stevie. Joke.
@61 Stevie. Joke.
@64 Stevie. Joke.
76 Brit Bob (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
And Cristina's Comedy Club also control about 80% of the press.
77 Stevie (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
But Anglolatino, dear.
Everything you say or write is and has always been worthless anyway.

Did you really think I could ever change any of you lots opinions?

No, I didn't think so.

As Little as you can change mine.

;)
78 Captain Poppy (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Do you say...you lot to intentional sound stupid or is it accidental?
79 Truth_Tellіng_Trοll (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
(68) Anglotino
I could have saved you some investigative work on Stevie if you had asked.
I am at the top of the hierarchy and have to keep tabs on junior trollings like Stevie. Lately he has been getting too juvenile in his posts, affecting the credibility of the whole organization. As a result I have had his wages reduced. He is on his last warning. If he continues I will close him down next week as I did with Guzz last year.

He has resided in Denmark for many years and although passionate about South America, he knows very little about it.
Cut him some slack, he is not the sharpest tool in the box and he needs the money.
80 Stevie (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
TTT
You are just upset because my last paycheck was bigger than yours...
81 britanico (#) May 02nd, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
@57 Mrs Knaul speaks better Spanish than him, never mind Portuguese, which Argies struggle with - www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bWoLqJiZUE
82 Anglotino (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 12:35 pm Report abuse
@77 Stevie

Why would you think I want to change you opinion?

What a waste if time and what a worthless endeavour. You opinion doesn't matter to me.

You exist to bolster my arguments by your very presence here. You're so busy trying to score points off other posters on here that you forget that you present an actual face to your arguments and cause.

A face that other people can see and judge.

You don't offer an alternative to my point of view and beliefs, you support then by being ineffectual and failing to refute or disprove.

Whatever you do; don't leave, don't change and don't agree with me.

Keep on doing what you do.
83 Stevie (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
Anglolatino

You not only care of where I am from, you are obsessed with the fact :)

You have no opinions, point of views or beliefs for me to disagree with, all you talk about is my whereabouts.

Which is all fine with me.

You also expect me to be serious in my posts, all while the Brit posters insults and constantly attacks Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Uruguay, Bolivia and Ecuador.

Your hypocrecy is palpable, and before I take anything you say seriously, you'd better start showing some consistency in your criticism.

Until then, eat your truths.

;)
84 Anglotino (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
Stevie

I've said this several times so I'll capitalise it to help the message sink in:

I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU COME FROM!

As I predate you on this site, you can hardly accuse me of only having ever talked about you.

2 days highlighting your lies is hardly forever..... exaggerate much?

You lied. You were caught out. Not once have asked you to tell me where you are.

But if I'm inconsistent, please feel free to quote me and provide links.

I look forward to you highlighting my extensive hypocrisy and inconsistencies.

I can't wait!!!!!!
85 ChrisR (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
84 Anglotino

Rearrange the well known saying that relates to Stevie: cage, his, rattled!

LOLs
86 axel arg (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 05:57 pm Report abuse
BAD COMEDY.
As i always say, everybody have right to think whatever they want, in fact, opinions are free. However, there is something which is much more important than our opinins, i mean objetive facts.
If knaul manifested her cocerning in relation to the reform, before receiving the answers from our government, then this is evident that she's using it politicly. It's not necesary to be so smart in order to realize of it.
On the other hand, she omits that in some states from u. s. a., people choose by mean elections their judges. This is not what the reform proposes, if the project is approved, we'll choose the members of the counceal of magistratura. The mechanism that reform proposes, exists in other countries, so, the government is not inventing anyting.
Anyway, it's understandable that many people buy so easily the soposed concerning of this woman.
Opinions are alwasy welcome, but the politic issues of a country, are solved by it only, and neather knaul's lobby, nor anybody elses's should be taken seriouslly.
87 Captain Poppy (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
axel you are correct that there are states in the USA that elect there judges, most through non-partisan elections and some through partisan elections. This is a bad as well. However if you undestand the US system and constituition you would know that states have sovereign rights unlike Argentine provinces.
What is most important here is that the Federal government, the nation does not elect it's justices , nor the Supreme Court of the USA.....the last appeal in the country, even from a state court if something is deemed unconsitituional. The nations judges are referred by a review committee, and picked by the president, of which the senate judiciary commmittee must ratify. Perfect....no, politics involved, yes......but most important it is not corrupt and and not controlled by the government and it remains independent as easily demonstrated when policians are sometimes shocked at decisions.
88 Stevie (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 10:27 pm Report abuse
Anglolatino

You accuse me of lying about where I come from.

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE OR STOP BELIEVING.

There you go, in capital letters, only for you.

By the way, you never have any opinions on the articles other than my whereabouts?

Ever?

About the hypocrecy, well, what can I say.

You are a hypocrite.

You lot call Argentina undemocratic.

Lie.

You lot call Venezuela undemocratic.

Lie.

You call the islands British.

Lie.

Still, I never hear you say anything about those, in your eyes, convenient lies.

Hence, you are a hypocrite.

And you are obsessed with my person.

I'm flattered, but I'm also straight.

Try conq, I think he's dying to leave the closet...
89 Troy Tempest (#) May 03rd, 2013 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
@86Axel

“If knaul manifested her cocerning in relation to the reform, before receiving the answers from our government, then this is evident that she's using it politicly. It's not necesary to be so smart in order to realize of it.”

Ms. Knaul had rendered an objective conclusion, but before announcing it, she asked for a response from the Argentine government.
That was an opportunity for Argentina to add more information or refute any allegations.

However, no response or co-operation was forthcoming, so Ms. Knaul was given no option but to release information about the investigation without Argentina's input.

Argentina facing criticism from the UN, ignored the opportunity given them to respond.
Instead, they showed their characteristic disdain for the UN or any Internationsl agreements they've made that are inconvenient to them.

“ It's not necesary to be so smart in order to realize of it.”
90 axel arg (#) May 04th, 2013 - 10:29 pm Report abuse
CAPTAIN POPPY. TROY TOMPEST.
CAPTAIN: Thanks for your information. Anyway, perhaps you don't know about how justice works here. Judicial power is the most conservative and reactionary one of the three powers of the state. Entaills between judicial power and politic have always existed and they will always exist, because many sectors of the judicial power have always been corporative. In fact, the clarin could get an injunction in order to not to comply with the new broadcast law sanctioned in 2009, and it coud achieve it thanks to it's entaills with judicial power.
I think there is nothing wrong with choosing the members of the councell of magistrates by mean popular will, because if they don't do a good work, they will be removed, beside everything they do, will be supervised by the supprem court, which is a very prestigious and independent institution. If the government wanted to have an adict justice, they would reform the court, and they would design pro kirchnerist judges. However the actual court was reformed by ex president nestor kichner, and designed some prestigious and independent members from the government, with different ideological postures.
TROY: If knaul wanted to make a serious critic, she would wait the answers by our government, in fact the chancery already sent the answers to her questions.
91 Captain Poppy (#) May 05th, 2013 - 04:03 am Report abuse
If you are interested in the USA judiciary, try this:

www.judicialselection.com/

Judges are typically seated for life unless there is misconduct and they can be impeached.
92 axel arg (#) May 08th, 2013 - 06:43 pm Report abuse
Thank you, i'll try to se it if i have more time.

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