Monday, May 6th 2013 - 07:27 UTC

Falkland Islands: “British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted by the European Parliament”

“British sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands as such is not accepted by the European Parliament”, according to a visiting delegation of EU lawmakers who met with their Argentine peers in Buenos Aires.

Senator Filmus suggested that EU parliament interest in Malvinas issue could be ‘beneficial for relations’

The Falklands issue was brought up by Senator Daniel Filmus, head of the Foreign Affairs committee in the framework of a meeting with a delegation from the EU Commission for relations with Mercosur countries, headed by MEP Luis Yañez Barnuevo from Spain.

Senator Filmus as part of the talks on the stalled Mercosur/EU cooperation and trade agreement suggested to his peers that an additional effort to help Argentina establish a bilateral dialogue with the UK on the Malvinas issue would be very positive for the whole range of issues.

“To advance in the strengthening of the accords it would be beneficial if the EU would commit itself to help so that the UK sits at a table to dialogue bilaterally on the Malvinas question” said Filmus.

He added that the diplomatic path “is the only path we conceive and we stress this position in support of dialogue in all the international forums we participate”.

Senator Filmus claimed that the UK is taking advantage of the dispute to ‘militarize’ the South Atlantic and to extract natural resources that belong to the region.

“There is a growing consensus related to this issue and it’s that both sides must sit to discuss it. Militarization and extracting natural resources has implications not only for territorial sovereignty and integration but also economic for our region”, underlined Senator Filmus.

It was then that MEP Yañez Barnuevo and head of the EU delegation ratified that for the European Parliament “British sovereignty over the (Malvinas) Islands as such, is not accepted”.

However the MEP and his colleagues, Jean Pierre Audy, Josefa Andres Barea y Mario Pirillo asked about the seizure last year of YPF from Spain’s Repsol.

Senator Sonia Escudero said that the reasons to advance over 51% of YPF shares “was directly related to the fact that production and reserves of oil and gas under the Spanish administration had collapsed over 40%, while 100% profits were distributed and debts had also ballooned”.

“This caused serious energy provision difficulties for Argentina, and thus the decision”, added Senator Escudero.

Finally the Argentine lawmakers called for a recovery of the favourable climate that has always signalled relations with the EU, although expressing some apprehensions.

“We observe certain aggressiveness from the EU and some of its member states against Argentina, following the decision to nationalize YPF, which is contrary to the historical links and friendship between the two regions”, admitted Senator Escudero.

 

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1 Xect (#) May 06th, 2013 - 07:59 am Report abuse
Ah so a Spanish MEP made a comment about the Falkland's. Not exactly speaking for the majority is he even though he is elected into a position that should be the case.

Someone should point him at the Lisbon treaty that his country and every European country has signed that states European support for the Falkland Island's.

He's Spanish, what else could we expect? And in their typically spineless fashion Argentina gets away with the theft of a large part of one of their biggest companies.
2 CJvR (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:06 am Report abuse
So Spanish and Argie Imperialists find common cause in whining over their own feebleness. LOL!

btw: What is the formal EU policy on the old extra-europeean imperial remnants of the UK, France and Spain?
3 reality check (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:08 am Report abuse
Just read the names of the august body of EU politicians, says it all really.
4 Pete Bog (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:16 am Report abuse
So this explains why the Falkland Islands are linked to the EU as a UK overseas territory??

The MEP seems to be like the RGs- history/treaties exist but' we're going to close our eyes, stick our fingers in our ears pretend they don't exist and tell porkies instead'-errrr OK.
5 reality check (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:26 am Report abuse
Filmus takes the opportunity to link the stalled talks on Mercsur/EU trade agreements to the Falkland Islands, a Spaniard says what he wants to hear and then on with the real business of the meeting. No change there then!
6 Steve-33-uk (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:29 am Report abuse
'Complaint of London for scientific campaign in South Georgia
• The ship Holmberg also seeks to protect state resources and rights of sovereignty'
www.ambito.com/diario/noticia.asp?id=686823
7 Medea (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:34 am Report abuse
It would set a very dangerous precedent for the EU to calling for negotiations.
If Argentina's bullying tactics are rewarded, how long will it be before Venezuela starts using the same tactics to call for talks with France over French Guiana? How long before Morocco uses those tactics to call for talks with Spain over Ceuta and Melilla?
8 Room101 (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:42 am Report abuse
What a lot of obsfucatory-curry-mix of politoco-twaddle-pick-what you like-from it...
9 Conqueror (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:47 am Report abuse
@4 You have to remember that Spain and argieland are cut from the same cloth. As someone here said the other day; strong with the weak and weak with the strong. Sooner or later the UK is going to have to take some “accidental” positive action against Spain. I'm not sure of the depth of water in the Bay of Gibraltar. What would be best? A destroyer cutting a Guardia Civil patrol boat in two? Or a fleet submarine surfacing underneath one?
10 Redrow (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:54 am Report abuse
Is this the same Yanez-Barnuevo who was the Spanish delegate on the UN decolonisation committee? Are we honestly paying our taxes to pay this man to represent us in these negotiations? Was Morrissey not available?
11 alan (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:24 am Report abuse
Spanish sovereignty over Melilla and Ceuta presumably is not also accepted by the EU. I think the UK govt. should not accept any deal with Mercosur until Argentina accepts the rights of the Islanders. Regarding the trade deal there are other problems anyway e.g CAP etc.
12 Anglotino (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
MEP Yañez Barnuevo may speak for the EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT, however he does not speak for the EUROPEAN COMMISSION.

The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy is part of the EUROPEAN COMMISSION. Now if Catherine Ashton who currently holds this role said the same thing as Barnuevo then I would be concerned.

However, she didn't. And as foreign affairs in not the competency of the EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT, then Barnuevo can say what he wants and it won't change reality.
13 HansNiesund (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:34 am Report abuse
Evidently this wasn't an episode of University Challenge. Yañez Barnuevo is an idiot if he hasn't grasped that he European Parliament has no authority to accept or not accept anybody's sovereignity over anything. And Senator Sonia Escudero is an even bigger one if she characterises protests over the nationalization of YPF as aggression against Argentina. Where do they find people of this calibre?

Next thing you know they'll be starting a new air service between Madrid and BA using TU-154s.
14 lsolde (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:35 am Report abuse
Who cares what a gaggle of Spanish & Argentine fools say about OUR Falklands.
We will NOT “negotiate” OUR Sovereignty, so they may as well get used to the fact.
There again, who cares whether they get used to it or not.
This can go on forever & l'm quite enjoying baiting these stupid, lying, dishonourable malvinistas. lol!
15 Fedaykin (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:03 am Report abuse
Frankly whatever a Spanish MEP has to say about the Falklands when he has his own domestic grudge against the UK can be politely ignored.

What worries me far more is the operations of the Argentine ship Holmberg, Argentina can not be allowed to normalise operations around UK territories. It is the slippery slope! Next it will be the landing of a Scientific operation on a remote part of South Georgia, then an attempt to set up a scientific station! NO! There needs to be a Royal Navy ship waiting demanding papers and politely telling them to leave or be boarded! As the Holmberg sails home with its tail between its legs there needs to be regular overflights by 1435 to just press home the gravity of the situation and why they need to remember to not get beyond their station again!
16 Martin Woodhead (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:11 am Report abuse
There are aready daily over flights.
The spainard is a morally bankrupt tosser
17 screenname (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:33 am Report abuse
SPANISH SPEAKING POLITICIANS GIVES OWN OPINION AS AN ORGANISATION POLICY...

So sorry, but I don't see how this is news worthy.

Now if you revealed that Spanish speaking nations were just shaving chimps to send off on delegations/commitees, that would be news.

No, come to think of it that would not surprise me either (but they did miss some of the hair around Filmus's mouth).
18 GALlamosa (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:59 am Report abuse
The Falklands have never been discussed in the European Parliament, so how would he know ??
19 Captain Fantastic (#) May 06th, 2013 - 11:17 am Report abuse
Another good reason for Great Britain to do its own thing. How thick can some people be. What of St Pierre et Miquelon ? Which even uses the Euro currency. Will France cast it adrift ? What of Greenland ? Is Denmark about to give Greenland the shove ? Are Denmark & France part of the EU ?
Clearly the EU delegation were stupid, naive, and somehow ill-informed or severely jet-lagged. No-one in their right minds would or should attempt to butter up the rg's today. Simply because rg-land is a fifth rate fascist pariah state, and have little to offer civilised society.
20 Nostros (#) May 06th, 2013 - 11:24 am Report abuse
Diplomatic path... I think we use democracy in Europe and indeed in any forward thinking country, hence we hold votes, have referendums and ultimately we decide for ourselves what we want. This is what the Falklands Islanders have done, the problem and the main problem is for an EU diplomat to simply ignore these people because ultimately what will happen is one of two things.

1. The Falkland Islanders will choose to remain a British Territory and continue to receive military protection/defence and foreign affairs with its own government.

2. Diplomats and world leaders will put pressure on the situation to “Force” Britain to discuss sovereignty, which won't happen, if this does happen then the outcome will be a fully fledged independent island nation of the Falklands. And of course, we will still defend our cousins down in the Atlantic regardless of anything.

How very stupid of this man to say such a thing (ignoring the people of the Falklands) , lets not forget Britannia's position in the EU is absolutely crucial to its survival whether they like to admit it or not, Britain hold the ace card in the EU along with some other Northern European nations Denmark, Netherlands, Finland, Iceland etc so tred carefully my friend, a British exit from the EU would spell disaster for the rest of Europe, our rather closer and more in line with British thinking neighbours regard Britian above much of the rest of Europe such as Spain, France, Portugal, Ireland, Poland, Italy < all these nations are weak in terms of both politics and Financial business sense, Britain knows business better than any nation in Europe this is reflected in employment levels, national health care, international aid etc etc etc.

The problem with Argentina's government is quite simply, they are not intelligent enough to win neither a political war, nor a bloody one.
21 ChrisR (#) May 06th, 2013 - 11:31 am Report abuse
I have read all the above and it strikes me we may have missed one thing: the veracity of the reports: Argentine!

I have not a single doubt that this twat of a Spaniard thinks the argies are his brothers and no doubt thinks Gibraltar should be part of Spain, but I doubt even he would deliberately create a potential political row over the Falklands emanating way above his head.
22 britanico (#) May 06th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
'How long will it be before Venezuela starts using the same tactics to call for talks with France over French Guiana?'

A very, very long time, as Venezuela doesn't even have a land border with French Guiana. It does, however, have a claim to over half of Guyana, formerly British Guiana Zona en Reclamación - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba
23 trenchtoast (#) May 06th, 2013 - 12:04 pm Report abuse
www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/dmer/cr/832/832130/832130es.pdf

This is a google translation of what he actually said…

“President Yanez-Barnuevo said that the Falkland Islands included in the Lisbon Treaty as an overseas territory of the United Kingdom is due to a country statement attached to its Treaty of Accession to the then Communities European. He added that there is no element in this respect and that such distinction does not reflect no EU policy decision regarding the sovereignty of the islands. He concluded by highlighting it is a bilateral issue between Argentina and the United Kingdom.”
24 DanyBerger (#) May 06th, 2013 - 12:10 pm Report abuse
“British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted by the European Parliament”

No comments, the title speaks by its self i guess...
25 trenchtoast (#) May 06th, 2013 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
I should of course of pointed out that was what he said in 2010, but I bet its exactly what he just said.
26 Biguggy (#) May 06th, 2013 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
15 Fedaykin
I believe you have 'hit the nail on the head'.
Unless that ship 'Holmberg' is stopped before it can do any 'damage' we may be seeing 1982 all over again. Slight incursion to test resolve or draw away 'assets', stinks to high heaven to me.
27 Baxter (#) May 06th, 2013 - 12:25 pm Report abuse
One more magnificent reason for the UK 's withdrawal from the EU .As if it needed more reasons !
28 JamesS (#) May 06th, 2013 - 01:07 pm Report abuse
Daniel Filmus is a loser, failed twice at becoming major of BA who has a similar obsession to his mentor Nestor with the Falkland islands ! He's just stirring the pot & trying to find Spanish brothers to voice the kirchnerismo cause of distraction !!
29 JohnN (#) May 06th, 2013 - 01:11 pm Report abuse
The devil is in the details of what that EU guy actually said, accurately translated but there is no doubt that Britain in EU brings with its membership all of its territories that it as told the EU it wants to bring.

And not just Britain, but Denmark, France, Netherlands, and Spain - all who have OCTs:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EU_OCT_and_OMR_map_en.png

The EU official list itself, in virtually all the 30+ languages of the EU says Falkland + “islands” in the specific language, except French (Malouines) and Spanish (Malvinas (Falklands)):

eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX%3A32001D0822%3AEN%3ANOT
30 Terence Hill (#) May 06th, 2013 - 01:22 pm Report abuse
Oh forget the niceties of legalities they are irrelevant when we are engaged in little black-mail. Won't make one iota of a difference to the UK's position. The message is quite clear put-up, or shut-up. In other words, if Argentina is not prepared to ask the General Assembly to submit the issue to the ICJ for an advisory ruling nothing is ever going to change.
31 El capitano (#) May 06th, 2013 - 01:27 pm Report abuse
The Holmberg “MUST” be stopped right in its tracks....We all know what happened last time these whinning,bleating,babbling Argie lunatics decided that a trip to South Georgia would be a great idea.“Action” is the ONLY thing these lunatics understand and respect, and in this case “Action” is needed.(Pronto).As for the spick Yanez Barnuevo its just another case of “Yada yada yada”....a few lines of babbling horse shit to keep the Argies happy and make sure he gets home with his sorry ass still intact.I swear trying to talk sense to these lunatics has to be like trying to wipe your ass on a hoop....!
32 Lord Ton (#) May 06th, 2013 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
As such ?? ha ha ha - funny !
33 tapestry-of-grapes (#) May 06th, 2013 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
Sorry... but when did anyone start listening to what Spanish people had to say on any economic/political matter?

Presenting some savages opinion, as factual is just pathetic.
34 LEPRecon (#) May 06th, 2013 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Another none story, with an opinion from a non-important person with no power or authority to speak for the body of which he represents.

And as usual Argentina pathetically attempt to 'big' it up to make it look like someone actually supports them.

However, in the real world it's normal jogging.
35 Falkland Islands (#) May 06th, 2013 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
obviously offered a backhander from the Argies!
36 THEMan (#) May 06th, 2013 - 03:47 pm Report abuse
Another useless article, hence why I hardly ever come on here to read them. In other news, the Better Together campaign against Scottish Independence are making a fool of themselves with more stupid questions, insults, and a lack of answers on their part. Any Scottish people here, vote YES in 2014.
37 andy65 (#) May 06th, 2013 - 04:24 pm Report abuse
THEMan I think you get the same from either side but really do you want to make a fat Scottish nationalist live his dream?? he's so confident he needs the vote of 16 and 17 year olds
38 Escoses Doido (#) May 06th, 2013 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
@36:
I'm with you on this man.
39 El Gringo (#) May 06th, 2013 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
Spain can discuss the Falklands only after they cede their own Canary Islands to Morocco. The Canary Islands were colonized by Spain in the 1400s and are only 100 kms from Morocco but hundreds of kilometers from Spain, or thus as the Argies would say, do not “belong geographically” to Spain.
40 Gordo1 (#) May 06th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
It seems that “grasping at straws” may be appropriate here! Does the Spanish member of the European Parliament actually speak for the European Union? I suspect he has no authority to make this statement.
41 Steve-33-uk (#) May 06th, 2013 - 05:16 pm Report abuse
'Mujica forget the old stubborn: Ships of the Falklands / Malvinas in Uruguay - Although in 2011, at the request of Argentina, José Mujica banned the arrival of ships with Falklands flag this Monday 06/05 Uruguayan newspaper El Pais reported that two fishing vessels flying the flag of the Falkland Islands came last week Uruguayan ports for transshipment operations and fish supplies. In February 2012 there was a trade mission Uruguayan Falklands / Malvinas that President Mujica said support amid problems exporting to Argentina....'
www.urgente24.com/213820-mujica-se-olvida-de-la-vieja-terca-buques-de-malvinasfalkland-en-uruguay

'Original signed copy of Margaret Thatcher’s telex which ended Falklands conflict is set to fetch £15,000'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320250/Original-signed-copy-Margaret-Thatcher-s-telex-ended-Falklands-conflict-set-fetch-15-000.html

'Falklands penguins return home through a sandstorm'
www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829150.100-falklands-penguins-return-home-through-a-sandstorm.html

'Complaint Britain by sending an Argentine research vessel Georgia Islands - Cameron's government said he was “surprised and disappointed” at not having been notified of the research campaign'
www.lanacion.com.ar/1579367-queja-de-gran-bretana-por-el-envio-de-un-buque-cientifico-argentino-a-las-islas-georgia
42 Escoses Doido (#) May 06th, 2013 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
@39;
How about Hawaii also?

A US State, which is around 7,000 miles from the mainland. (Its actually closer to Japan that the US)

No problem there is there?

Contiguity, is not a factor in the Falklands issue as you rightly point out.
43 bushpilot (#) May 06th, 2013 - 06:13 pm Report abuse
I might be wrong but I think Hawaii is about 2400 miles from the U.S. mainland. It is about 3900 miles from Japan.

There is a small indigenous call for independence in Hawaii. The Falklands did not have an indigenous population and the Argentines wouldn't care about them if it did.

The Canary Islands is a good point.

How many members are there in the European Parliament? Is the MEP Luis Yañez Barnuevo from Spain speaking for all of them? Does the European Parliament have an official stated position regarding the Falkland Islands?

Don't politicians make “get along” statements when they are visiting a country for diplomatic & commerce reasons?

That Senator Escudero is mentally retarded I think.

Senator Sonia Escudero -“We observe certain aggressiveness from the EU and some of its member states against Argentina, following the decision to nationalize YPF, which is contrary to the historical links and friendship between the two regions”.

But seizing YPF was, of course, NOT “contrary” to friendship between the two reasons. The Argentines have a twisted sense of “friendship” between two countries.

Senator Sonia Escudero - Petroleum production “had collapsed over 40%, while 100% profits were distributed and debts had also ballooned”. “This caused serious energy provision difficulties for Argentina, and thus the decision”

How is that ”decision” working out so far?
44 screenname (#) May 06th, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
@39 El Gringo: Since the original inhabitants of the Canaries were not Moroccans, and as you pointed out, they are 100km's from Morocco, why should Spain be allowed to give them to Marocco?

By Argentinean warped standards, it would be difficult to sort out who would get a vote on independence (because of the large planted population), but people descended from pre-Spanish inhabitants still exist. I'm all for an independent Canary Islands in the EU.
45 Escoses Doido (#) May 06th, 2013 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
@43;
Yes of course, I got the figures wrong off the top of my head.

But I'm sure the contiguity point is still valid.
46 briton (#) May 06th, 2013 - 07:27 pm Report abuse
More anti British bashing from a Spanish orange,

Why do we bother?
The sooner we leave the stupid European union the better,

Why we ever make friends with those who hate us is anyone’s guess,
still
Their jealousy and envy merely covers up the fact they were and are losers.
47 GFace (#) May 06th, 2013 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
AR sees agreement with them wrt the Falklands in fallen cookie crumbs and dropped paper clips (it's the new Virgin Mary). I read only the need for validation in this report from not the EU but from AR.
48 Anbar (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
MercoPress trying to make a story out of nothing....again.

It really is pretty p-oor reporting.
49 THEMan (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
@37 andy the fat man that you refer to is Alex Salmond who in my opinion is the best party leader in the entire UK. I've met him a couple of times at local surgeries a few years back when he was an MP, and he's a nice guy. I also learned that he skipped a party Christmas party, or was late for it, to spend some time with a chronically ill girl. I wouldn't listen to the media portrayals of him as they are likely to be false, as with other politicians (barring a few). So yes, I'd have him as leader for the first few years of independence any day of the week.
50 toooldtodieyoung (#) May 06th, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
46 briton

They were never our friends........

They were not our friends when we joined..... they were not our friends when things started to go wrong and they are not our friends now that we are thinking of leaving......

as you so quite rightly say.....“The sooner we leave the stupid European union the better”
51 andy65 (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
THEMan I agree he's a canny politician but if he was secure in a yes vote he would not be waiting so long before voting and also having to recruit the teenage vote,to be honest most Scots I talk to only see one outcome and that's a NO vote theres to much uncertainty and Salmond seems to want everything his way just wonder where he will get the money from to repay the tax payer for RBS what currency he would use ect independence could be very expensive for Scotland.
52 Steve-33-uk (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
'ANP belies El País: “to Falklands flagged vessels do not give them entry”
The president of the National Port Authority (NPA), Alberto Diaz, flatly denied the news published by the newspaper El Pais that “surprise, pleasantly and positively to the interests of two fishing boats Uruguay Falklands flag came this past Uruguayan ports week. ”'
www.lr21.com.uy/comunidad/1102032-anp-desmiente-a-el-pais-a-barcos-con-bandera-malvinas-no-les-damos-entrada

'In carrying Ferinoa collected more than 2000 signatures Malvinas
Over the weekend hundreds of people came to leave his signature. It made the official presentation of the “Peoples of Malvinas”'
www.elintransigente.com/notas/2013/5/6/ferinoa-llevan-recolectadas-mas-mil-firmas-por-malvinas-183199.asp
53 THEMan (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
@51 andy65 It's better to have 18 months before a referendum to make a positive case to the people of the country, and to expose BT as a propaganda, scaremongering machine that offers no positives for remaining in a union that is one of the most unequal, debt ridden and poverty ridden. I can't really say much about the RBS argument apart from that 90% of the debt is England's responsibility, not Scotland's as 90% of the bank's activity was in London. He's clearly stated that a currency union (hasn't said if it's permanent or temporary leading to a new currency) is his choice and is in the interests of both parties to keep economic stability in the region. I agree though, some tough choices will be made in the first number of years in an independent Scotland, but it will be worth it in the long run.
54 Xect (#) May 06th, 2013 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
I think its wishful thinking to blame everything on London, afterall the recent financial crisis in part due to the Scottish with the help of Gordon Brown if you want to go down the illogical route.

I support Scotland's right to choose its own future however I can't see how it can win in divorcing its big brother of which it relies so deeply on. It seems to me Salmond is living in a alternative reality and trying to have his cake and eat it, that would be why the need to have children vote who clearly are in no position to vote on such a important matter that will change the country forever and also delaying the vote.

TheMan what will Scotland do for a currency do you think?
55 THEMan (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
Xect The financial crisis was a result of them yes, but not at all because of Scotland as a country. As for the rest- UK relies on Scotland as well as the reverse, but doesn't at all rule out independence- just requires co-operation. As for currency- temporary sterling union then new currency afterwards is my thought.
56 El Gringo (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:09 pm Report abuse
@43 & 44 For whatever this is worth - “Although the history of the settlement of the Canary Islands is still unclear, linguistic and genetic analyses seem to indicate that at least some of these inhabitants shared a common origin with the Berbers of northern Africa.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islands
And, of course, there are still Berbers in Morocco.
57 Xect (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
Interesting TheMan although in reference to the currency, I'd veto it if it was taken to a vote as that would most likely disadvantage England unless under the existing framework which I'd have no problem with. Interference with the existing framework wouldn't be acceptable to me and I'd hazard the other 65m other Englishmen and politicians.

Although I support Scotland's decision whatever it maybe I feel somewhat sorry that our union and joint history could come to an end. I'm fiercely proud of being English however my grandad was from Scotland (Falkirk) and Scotland will always have a special place in my heart.
58 Clyde15 (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
#54
I have thought about the lowering of the voting age and have come to the conclusion that it is only fair. The people who will be most affected by the result of the vote will be the young. They will have to live their lives on the result, If they are old enough to marry, have a family and join the armed forces, then they must be allowed a say in how the future will be decided.
I would take another tack - anyone over 60 should not vote.
We have had our chance and made the mess the country is in.
I will not be voting as I think it is wrong of me to commit a future generation to a result taken by people who probably will not be around to see the end result. By this I am not differentiating between a yes/no vote.
59 Conqueror (#) May 06th, 2013 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
@15 Why “politely”?
@36, 49, 53 Why are you bringing your Scottish political mumbo-jumbo here? What do you think it matters to the majority?
But, as an Englishman, I'll give you a sort of answer. Ever since your puerile “leader” brought out his independence crap, where has he ever given verifiable facts and figures? He hasn't. He talks “pie-in-the-sky” and a percentage of Scots believe him. All he wants is POWER without restrictions. Remember he said that Scotland could simply waltz into the EU? Only the EU says it can't. International law says it can't. The Vienna Convention on the Law on Treaties. He says Scotland is entitled to 9% of UK assets. Is that before or after Scotland repays the £2 quadrillion it owes England. He's said that Scotland will be reeking with gas and oil wealth. Plenty of people have said it won't. But, given its status, Scotland isn't entitled to enter any existing multilateral treaties unless all existing signatories agree. And one of those signatories is the UK! That also applies to EU treaties. He's said Scotland will keep the pound sterling and have a “currency union”. The UK says he won't unless the UK has fiscal control. If Scotland joins the EU, eventually, it will be required to adopt the euro. He was totally against nuclear weapons. He's given that up as the price of membership of NATO. And the Common Travel Area? Not under EU law while Scotland isn't a member. No more defence contracts for companies in Scotland. The UK has already made that clear. How many jobs does that mean? Has Scotland got the homes for all the repatriated Scots? What will Scotland do when any trucks it wants to send to the continent have to have crews with passports, visas, health insurance, adequate funds before they can cross the border. The word is RESEARCH. Wishing and hoping isn't enough. And the British people, majority English, want out of the EU. And will have no great love for Scots. What then?
60 THEMan (#) May 06th, 2013 - 11:03 pm Report abuse
@Conquerer You're obviously an idiot, and can only laugh endlessly at you. Try doing your own research before coming up with a load of shite. Bye ;)
61 screenname (#) May 06th, 2013 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
A load of posts changing the subject. El Thinko been busy again?
62 THEMan (#) May 06th, 2013 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
screenname I'm not Argentinian if you're referring to me lol.
63 ynsere (#) May 07th, 2013 - 12:16 am Report abuse
Argentina continues to drum up the irrelevant opinions of irrelevant people.
64 Escoses Doido (#) May 07th, 2013 - 06:08 am Report abuse
THEMan - Take Scotland somewhere else, nobody on here will undersand.

This is a Falkland Island thread mate.
65 Stevie (#) May 07th, 2013 - 06:45 am Report abuse
ynsere
Why would you call Scots irrelevant?

You ARE a Brit tax evader, aren't you?
66 LEPRecon (#) May 07th, 2013 - 08:18 am Report abuse
@65 - Stevie

Poor Stevie. You and the rest of the Malvinista trolls spend all your time trying to big up statements made by non-entities regarding your erroneous claims to the Falkland Islands.

A Spanish MEP, who doesn't have authority to speak on behalf of the European Parliament, giving support is about as credible as an INDEC statistic.

In fact, instead of dealing with the very real problems facing Argentina and its people, the government of Argentina keep banging on about a non-issue: the Falklands.

Now there is a maxim. You can fool all of the people some of the time; and some of the people all of the time; but you can never fool all of the people all of the time.

In other words, the more CFK and her gangsters bang on about the Falklands, the more insignificant they become to the people of Argentina. Eventually the people of Argentina will be so fed up of the government whinging about the Falklands, and not actually doing the job they were paid to do, that they'll pull that government from power; either by voting them out, or forcing them out through demonstrations, or maybe even a revolution.

The desperation of the Argentine government is so obvious now, that you can see, hear, smell, taste and touch it with every word they utter and statement they make.

It'd be quite funny if not for the millions of Argentines that are suffering because of their corrupt ineptitude.
67 Clyde15 (#) May 07th, 2013 - 10:04 am Report abuse
#64
AGREED !!!
68 THEMan (#) May 07th, 2013 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
@64 Sure, no probs.
69 Asdrúbal el Bello (#) May 07th, 2013 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
The older brothers of the Guardia Civil boats
goo.gl/cYtNP
70 Skåre-Vuggevise (#) May 07th, 2013 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Hardly surprising, but the Spanish dude must be thicker than frozen pigshit on a stick.

Not only does Annex II of Title IV, Part III of the EU Constitutional Treaty very specifically recognise the Falkland Islands as a British and EU OCT (overseas countries and territories), it also recognises the entire British Antarctic Territory (and thereby the entire Antarctic territory claimed by the thick Argentinian shits) as being under UK and EU constitutional sovereignty.

But what is even more hilarious is that the Argentinian government itself recognises that the EU Constitution makes the Falkland Islands both a British and EU OCT, because Néstor Kirchner's government lodged a formal compliant about that inclusion (which was unanimously rejected by all EU member states .. including Spain).
71 briton (#) May 07th, 2013 - 06:02 pm Report abuse
Ahead of Referendum, Confusion Over Scottish Oil
atlanticsentinel.com/2013/04/ahead-of-referendum-confusion-over-scottish-oil/

Scotland aint going nowhere,
Full stop..
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in the meantime,
the 2nd island
The aft island leaves the Scotstoun construction Hall, Glasgow ready for shipping to Rosyth
HMS Queen Elizabeth.
pinterest.com/pin/481885228849071414/
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the British royal navy.
72 Skåre-Vuggevise (#) May 07th, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
Title IV of Part III of the European Constitution says that “extra continental territories belonging to Denmark, France, Netherlands and United Kingdom, as well as Antarctic areas, are recognized as areas of EU constitutional sovereignty”
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Title IV of Part III of the European Constitution states that extra continental territories belonging to Denmark, France, Netherlands and United Kingdom (but NOT Spain), as well as Antarctic areas, are recognized as areas of EU constitutional sovereignty. These territories are listed in Annex II, which lists the following UK sovereign territories as coming under the scope of the EU constitution: “Anguilla, Cayman Island, FALKLAND ISLANDS, SOUTH GEORGIA AND SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS, Montserrat, Pitcairn, St. Helena and Dependencies, BRITISH ANTARCTIC TERRITORY, British Indian Ocean Territories, Turks and Caicos Islands, British Virgin Islands and Bermuda.

The constitution also states that it shall serve to ”promote the social and economic development of the countries and territories and to establish close economic relations between them and the Union” ... not Argentina. This is also why the Falkland Islands receive a territorial allocation from the EU budget, just like any other EU region does.

It looks like Luis Yañez Barnuevo shot his wad without checking his facts first. Not only does the EU Parliament and EU constitution recognise and assert British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, but so does Spain as a signatory to that constitution. Of course, what IS interesting is that the EU does not recognise Spanish sovereignty of any of it's colonial enclaves in North African (Melilla, Ceuta etc.) which it regards as illegally occupied and having Moroccan sovereignty).
73 ChrisR (#) May 07th, 2013 - 07:48 pm Report abuse
@69 Asdrúbal el Repugnante

Oh, I remember your crap from some months ago: still spouting it I see.

How much of that little fantasy was computer generated?

There is only one problem that you have failed to address: the cowardice and poorly trained 'sailors' that infest these ships would crap themselves if a T45 was in the area (no need for the T45 to be in visual range). So death out of the skies without notice while ANYTHING your F100s have can be shot out of the sky without a problem.

Glad to put you right, no need to thank me.
74 LEPRecon (#) May 07th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@73 - ChrisR

Agreed. It's one thing to tool around the oceans looking 'ally', but another to actually put your money where your mouth is.

For those who don't know what ally is, try this link: www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Ally

Also here's a real ship for poster 69 to marvel at:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8snXN4Ul48
75 Asdrúbal el Bello (#) May 07th, 2013 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
hahaha Asdrubal the repugnant greets you goo.gl/DGmRU
76 Acchiappaladri (#) May 07th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
MEP Yañez Barnuevo ???? LOL
A Spaniard? Never heard of him before ;-)
Anyway, MEP Yañez Barnuevo cannot speak on behalf of the EU Parliament on the British sovereignty over the Falklands.
Where is his mandate for that?
I understand that he is just the head of an EU delegation in charge of discussing EU/Mercosur troubled trade matters ONLY.

Official EU position has nothing to do with Mr. Barnuevo's personal opinion. EU official relations with the Falklands clearly recognize British sovereignty: the EU funds the Falklands because they are a British OCT.

ec.europa.eu/europeaid/where/octs_and_greenland/countries/falkland-islands_en.htm
”... Under the 9th EDF, € 4,547 million (i.e. the 9th EDF territorial allocation of € 3 million + transfers from decommitted funds for an amount of € 0.047 million) and € 1.500 million from the MTR) is allocated to the Falkland Islands by means of a single programming document (SPD). The SPD identifies capacity building in the area of trade development with a view to encourage trade growth and increased value added in the Falklands Islands main production sectors of fisheries, agriculture and tourism as focal sectors.

Under the 10th EDF Falklands islands will receive 4.6 million euros.”
77 Captain Fantastic (#) May 07th, 2013 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
74 LEPRecon (#)

Real nice ship. It will deliver the goods for sure. “RULE BRITANNIA”
I'll go back & enjoy! Thank you.

Some quotes going thru my mind.
Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.
Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
“Punk”, make my day !
78 britanico (#) May 08th, 2013 - 07:50 am Report abuse
”Of course, what IS interesting is that the EU does not recognise Spanish sovereignty of any of i's colonial enclaves in North African (Melilla, Ceuta etc.) which it regards as illegally occupied and having Moroccan sovereignty).”

Sorry, not true, they are recognised as part of an EU member state, Spain. That's why people are dying to get in there, sometimes literally - www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/17/melilla-migrants-eu-spain-morocco
79 downunder (#) May 08th, 2013 - 08:30 am Report abuse
If this Spanish EU lawmaker dude really wanted to assist in resolving the Falkland Islands dispute, he should go right back to the genesis of the dispute, to the papal bulls of 1493 when Alexander VI (another Spaniard) granted Spain all teritory to the West of a line of longitude running west of the Azores. Discovered or undiscovered. This ridiculous edict was vigorously challenged by other European countries but was the basis of Spain's claim to the Islands.
Given Spain's troubled colonial history in the New World and North Africa and the fact that they abandoned their settlement on East Falklands, Spanish lawmakers are in no position to be trying interefere, mischievously, in the Falkland Islands today. They should be maintaining a respecfull silence lest their past bad behaviour come under further scrutiny .
80 ynsere (#) May 08th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
Downunder @ 79

If the Papal Bulls of Caetera and Tordesillas were strictly enforced, Brazil would have to hand over about 80% of its territory to Spain.
81 THEMan (#) May 08th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
@71 briton That article is a load of pish. It's simple really- maritime law rules in favour of the SNP's stance. Nothing more to add.
82 briton (#) May 08th, 2013 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
Nothing more to add.
tut tut,
any story is worth a look,

but 2014 will will decide, no point in jumping the gun is there,
what will be==will be..
83 Raul (#) May 09th, 2013 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
Malvinas Peoples:
A million signatures for bilateral dialogue:

Peoples Malvinas “seeks to give social depth of continental mass to the Cause Falklands.'s One million signatures will be presented to the UN Secretary General, looking” people fill the UN “to highlight the crisis of representation system this international organization, highly conditioned by geopolitical bids of the permanent members of the Security Council, especially the UK.'s one million signatures aims to create a political precedent in an international organization where ”people” does not take place, but whose decisions seriously affect their long-term collective future. Y Malvinas is a question of the future.

See the following link:

www.pueblospormalvinas.com

www.pueblospormalvinas.org
84 ynsere (#) May 09th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
Raul @ 83

Where can I vote for bilateral dialogue - between Argentina and the Falkland Islanders?
85 briton (#) May 09th, 2013 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
83--
no understand,
no sense no feeling

try again but less people and more understanding please...
86 Pete Bog (#) May 09th, 2013 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
@83
“Malvinas Peoples:
A million signatures for bilateral dialogue:”

Does not count if none of the signatories are born in the Falkland Islands.

I could stage a campaign to have a million signatures asking for Patagonia to be British, but if the Patagonians don't want to be British then the UN will throw it out.

The Argentines ask to talk with the UK. The UK cannot tell the Islanders what to do because the FIG is seperate from the UK parliament -therefore UK will refer Argentina to talk with the Islanders and the UK will not break the UN Charter (as they signed up to it). If Argentina do not talk to the Islanders then they are clearly fools to turn down that dialogue.

Your petition is a complete and utter waste of your time.
87 lsolde (#) May 10th, 2013 - 08:17 am Report abuse
@86 Pete Bog,
lt seems that every thing they do is a complete & utter waste of their time(& others)!
88 downunder (#) May 10th, 2013 - 10:30 am Report abuse
83 Raul. Malvinas Peoples:
A million signatures for bilateral dialogue:

Holla Raul! Where are the Malvinas?? Who are theMalvinas peoples?? I no signa da petition for da dialogue with UN secretary general, he say: “Go away, Raul in wonderland no exist, no million malvinas peoples only continental mass deluded peoples. UN bilateral dialogue no have with peoples who no exist, you go home , silly gaucho.”
89 John III (Pope) (#) May 12th, 2013 - 06:31 am Report abuse
@58
Lol. Yes I think its wrong for you to vote as well given the mess that England is in. What a loser.
90 Clyde15 (#) May 12th, 2013 - 05:37 pm Report abuse
#89
Yes BRITAIN is in a fiscal mess, but we can take heart when we look at Argentina. There is always someone worse than us!
91 John III (Pope) (#) May 13th, 2013 - 06:25 am Report abuse
@90
What low standards you have. Typical of a Brit whiner.
92 Clyde15 (#) May 13th, 2013 - 11:12 am Report abuse
#91
Thank you for your vote of confidence.
It was not a whine, it was an exaltation - read it again twat.
However. if there was an Olympic medal for whining, Argentina would be the champion in perpetuity. It's the only thing in which you excel. Correction, lying is another, but again, so is self delusion. I think that is enough for now as I would run out of my allocation of 2000 characters if I continued. This is fun , isn't it ?
As an added thought, I don't believe ANY pronouncement from a POPE, either John,Paul, George or Ringo.
93 John III (Pope) (#) May 14th, 2013 - 07:02 am Report abuse
@92
Ah, so now you Brits define whining as exaltation. You have even lower standards than thought.
94 Clyde15 (#) May 14th, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
#93
Your trouble is that you do NOT THINK. You pontificate - hence your absurd series of nom - de - plumes.
A loser? What have I lost ?
As to lower standards, how can I put this tactfully..............
Your people could kiss a rat's arse without bending your knees and then walk under a snake.

By the way, you have never answered my question despite posting it 5 times.
As you hate all Europeans - especially Britons - do you hate recent European immigrants to Argentina who then gain citizenship ? Or is the granting of Argentine citizenship enough to expunge the sin of being born in Europe.
Take an Italian/Spanish immigrant as your example - I could not see any Briton being desperate enough to want to go to Argentina.
I await your considered reply.
95 Anglotino (#) May 14th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
Cyde15

Nostrils parents are immigrants from Europe.

He's still cursing their stupidity in choosing Argentina as their destination instead of richer, more prosperous, stable, cosmopolitan countries.
96 John III (Pope) (#) May 15th, 2013 - 06:10 am Report abuse
@94
Nom due plumes?

Your self respect.

Droll but infantile.

No.

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