Saturday, June 15th 2013 - 13:56 UTC

Falklands: “British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted by the European Parliament”

“British sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands as such is not accepted by the European Parliament”, according to a visiting delegation of EU lawmakers who met with their Argentine peers in Buenos Aires.

MEP Yañez Barnuevo (Spain), head of the EU Commission for relations with Mercosur countries

Senator Filmus suggested that EU parliament interest in Malvinas issue could be ‘beneficial for relations’

The Falklands issue was brought up by Senator Daniel Filmus, head of the Foreign Affairs committee in the framework of a meeting with a delegation from the EU Commission for relations with Mercosur countries, headed by MEP Luis Yañez Barnuevo from Spain.

Senator Filmus as part of the talks on the stalled Mercosur/EU cooperation and trade agreement suggested to his peers that an additional effort to help Argentina establish a bilateral dialogue with the UK on the Malvinas issue would be very positive for the whole range of issues.

“To advance in the strengthening of the accords it would be beneficial if the EU would commit itself to help so that the UK sits at a table to dialogue bilaterally on the Malvinas question” said Filmus.

He added that the diplomatic path “is the only path we conceive and we stress this position in support of dialogue in all the international forums we participate”.

Senator Filmus claimed that the UK is taking advantage of the dispute to ‘militarize’ the South Atlantic and to extract natural resources that belong to the region.

“There is a growing consensus related to this issue and it’s that both sides must sit to discuss it. Militarization and extracting natural resources has implications not only for territorial sovereignty and integration but also economic for our region”, underlined Senator Filmus.

It was then that MEP Yañez Barnuevo and head of the EU delegation ratified that for the European Parliament “British sovereignty over the (Malvinas) Islands as such, is not accepted”.

However the MEP and his colleagues, Jean Pierre Audy, Josefa Andres Barea y Mario Pirillo asked about the seizure last year of YPF from Spain’s Repsol.

Senator Sonia Escudero said that the reasons to advance over 51% of YPF shares “was directly related to the fact that production and reserves of oil and gas under the Spanish administration had collapsed over 40%, while 100% profits were distributed and debts had also ballooned”.

“This caused serious energy provision difficulties for Argentina, and thus the decision”, added Senator Escudero.

Finally the Argentine lawmakers called for a recovery of the favourable climate that has always signalled relations with the EU, although expressing some apprehensions.

“We observe certain aggressiveness from the EU and some of its member states against Argentina, following the decision to nationalize YPF, which is contrary to the historical links and friendship between the two regions”, admitted Senator Escudero.

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1 Boovis (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
His opinion and his alone, he should perhaps check what the treaty of Lisbon says.
2 CaptainSilver (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
Whatever the Muppet says, the EU recognises that the Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory and the Islanders have voted overwhelmingly go remain so.
These people DO NOT represent the EU. Now that the RGs stole their oil company EU RG relations are very strained. Even the Spaniards are pissed off with them.
3 BritishLion (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:14 pm Report abuse
Well that's it then, Spain has spoken, we should all obey.
4 screenname (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
Spaniards saying whatever they think will get them what they want...It will be remembered.
5 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
Are these people officially representing any legislative body?
6 JamesS (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
smells like a scam to me ! so Argentina can get what they want FI and Spain get what they want Gib !! problem there is, the WILL of the people living on BOT is stronger than the WILL of these government officials who don't respect rules.....
7 Simon68 (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
Why is MP bringing up this story now, it happened about 2 months ago and was not news worthy then. Now it is very old hat!!!!!!!
8 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
He is a Spanish MEP and has such thinks he has the god given right to speak for the rest of the European Parliament and all of its member states on foreign policy, why let a little think like remit, get in the way.

Now we know where the Argentines get it from, when they constantly speak for the opinion of the rest of the world. Seems arrogance is something else they also inherited from the Spanish, along with the so called Malvinas sovereignty.

Didn't he get his wrist get in the chamber, I could have swore he did?
9 Conqueror (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
Not the first time this has been reported here. Why is it back again? The European Parliament, of course, has no role in the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. And Yañez Barnuevo, being Spanish, is a wanker. Most Spaniards are wankers. Indistinguishable from argie scum. Do not be concerned, Islanders. The slugs of the EU cannot change anything. “British sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands as such is not accepted by the European Parliament”. European Parliamentary interference in British affairs outside the territory of the EU is not accepted. Understanding is growing and, before long, Britain will no longer be a member of the EU. Besides, the EU has no “capability” in the military sense. Put 26 members of the EU together and the greatest military capability belongs to Britain. Just as Britain can beat anything and everything in Latin America, it can also beat anything and everything in Europe.
10 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
That should read, didn't he get his wrists slapped in the chamber?
11 A_Voice (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:24 pm Report abuse
Not quite true……..
Global firepower rankings puts UK at No 5
But combine……
France No 6
Germany No 7
Italy No 9
UK Total Nuclear Warheads…….225
………Active Nuclear Warheads…160
France Total Nuclear Warheads…….300
………Active Nuclear Warheads…290
Germany and Italy only have nuclear capability through Nato……
So EU outguns the UK…….Fact!
12 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:33 pm Report abuse
Where did you get your figures for the active warheads. I should have thought that, that was classified information?

Anyway, how many of the damn things do you need, one is too many, whoever as them!
13 LEPRecon (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
@12 RC

He probably got it from wikipedia. That's where he gets all of his information.
14 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
11 A-Voiceof Thinkedover

Congratulations, you are truly the Argentine counterpart of our Conqueror !!!

In fact, you SURPASS him, in many ways!!
*wink, wink*
15 José Malvinero (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
If “British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted by the European Parliament”.... then yes is accepted the sovereignty Argentine.
There is no other possible conclusion.
16 Steve-33-uk (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
He said the thing same weeks ago. This is old news.
17 A_Voice (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
Nudge Nudge....Wink Wink....say no more.......??
I have no idea what you are inferring??
18 HansNiesund (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
Spanish sovereignity over Spain, as such, has never been accepted by the European Parliament either, for the simple reason that the European Parliament isn't in the sovereignity accepting business to begin with.

But in the stupidity stakes, even Senor Barnuevo is hopelessly outclassed by Filmus, who apparently believes that by holding up an EU-Mercosur agreement, he can force the EU to back Arjuntina against the UK.
19 rupertbrooks0 (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
The question of the acceptance or non-acceptance by the European Parliament of British sovereignty over the Falklands islands simply doesn't arise. Articles 198-204 in Part 4 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) known as the Treaty of Lisburn clearly recognises the status of the Falkland Islands as being a UK overseas territory. All 27 member countries and signatories of the said treaty are thereby in agreement with this fact. Anyway Spanish MEP Luis Yañez Barnuevo is simply speaking for himself, he has no authority to speak for the European Parliament (which has never dicussed or voted on the issue) or to contradict the Treaty of Lisburn.
20 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
There is one other possible conclusion, this Spanish MEP who came there for discussions on trade, WAS KISSING YOUR ASS AND TALKING OUT OF HIS, as ever, you fell for it.

You really think that a single Spanish MEP with a remit to discuss trade, is empowered to speak on behalf of the European Parliament on matters of foreign policy?

What a silly question, of course you do, I forgot who I was talking to. You people do not behave like other normal people, your so bittered and twisted over the so called Malvinas, you believe anything you hear. What you do not hear, you simply make up and believe that too.
21 Think (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 05:00 pm Report abuse
We have a new EU Expert Anglo Turnip in town......

At (19) he says.....:
“..... the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union known as the Treaty of Lisburn clearly recognises the status of the Falkland Islands as being a UK overseas territory”
“Spanish MEP Luis Yañez Barnuevo ..... has no authority to speak for the European Parliament ...... or to contradict the Treaty of Lisburn.”

I say....:
It's not Lisburn.....
It's Lisbon ....... L-I-S-B-O-N.
In Portugal..... P-O-R-T-U-G-A-L.
22 Pete Bog (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
“Articles 198-204 in Part 4 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union”

As the inclusion of the Falkland Islands in the EU as an overseas territory of the UK, is in a treaty, expect Argentina to deny this.

Argentina don't stick to treaties, UN resolutions, trade agreements.

The Spanish MEPs comments are incorrect and in any case the UK puts more money into the EU than Spain so they can go and swivel.
23 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
That it?

A Geography lesson and the usual Turnip quip?

Hardly worth the effort!
24 Think (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 05:36 pm Report abuse
Forgot to mention......

Spanish MEP Luis Yañez Barnuevo is absolutely right when he says....: “British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted by the European Parliament”

It's not.
25 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
And... Think and “A_Voice” both turn up, together, again LOL!

Just a coincidence *winky winky, wink wink* Think.

26 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
You obviously have not read the LISBURN TREATY, have you El Think?

Then again, you probably have and your only copying your Spanish friend by talking out the same part of your anatomy!
27 A_Voice (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
You really are becoming as obsessed as Skippy…….you need to get a girlfriend or something Mate!
I must admit an hour and a half difference between my post 11 and post 21 is almost on par with Planck Time…..10-43 seconds……..Not ;-))))........(Quantum Mechanics joke!)
Why do you make it so easy for me to ridicule you?
28 Briton (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse

Let’s get one thing straight=
The leaders of Gibraltar have told the Spanish publicly to get lost; Gibraltar will never ever be Spanish full stop,

They also told this to the C24 ,

The leaders of the Falklands have told CFK publicly that they will never be argentine,

And the British government have told all 3 that neither Gibraltar nor the Falklands will ever become Spanish or argentine, as long as the people freely wish it,

Now put simply= unless these people are willing to back up this fool and force the British to give em both up, there is nothing they or anyone else can do
Now you Argies don’t have to agree or disagree that’s your free choice,
But unless you are willing to destroy democracy and cause violence to get what you want,
You should just go quietly like sheep and baaa of.
On the other hand,
Perhaps dragging the world into conflict to satisfy your greed,
Is what you really want..?

Leave them to live in peace..

[ we do ]
29 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:36 pm Report abuse
27 Avoice of Thinkedover

“Why do you make it so easy for me to ridicule you?”

Nothing stops you from ridiculing everyone, especially when you can't think of an argument or you are looking for some fresh way to draw attention to yourself.

Sad man.
30 Think (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
(27) A_Voice

I ”Think” that Troy Tempest lives in a reductionist fractal Cantorian marionet universe ruled by Wheeler–Feynman’s time symmetry ;-)
31 rupertbrooks0 (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 06:57 pm Report abuse
Articles 198 in Part 4 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) states:

“The Member States agree to associate with the Union the non-European countries and territories which have special relations with Denmark, France, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. These countries and territories (hereinafter called the ”countries and territories”) are listed in Annex II.
The purpose of association shall be to promote the economic and social development of the countries and territories and to establish close economic relations between them and the Union as a whole.
In accordance with the principles set out in the preamble to this Treaty, association shall serve primarily to further the interests and prosperity of the inhabitants of these countries and territories in order to lead them to the economic, social and cultural development to which they aspire.”

Annex 2 reads:

Annex Two. Overseas countries and territories to which the provisions of Part Four of the Treaty of The Functioning of the European Union apply.

Greenland. French New Caledonia and Dependencies. French Polynesia and the French Southern and Antarctic Territories. The French Wallis and Futuna Islands. The French islands of Mayotte, Saint Pierre and Miquelon. The Dutch island of Aruba and the Dutch Antilles (the islands of Bonaire, Curaçao, Saba, St Eustatius and St Maarten), plus Anguilla, The Cayman Islands, The Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, Montserrat, Pitcairn, Saint Helena and Dependencies, British Antarctic Territory, British Indian Ocean Territory, The Turks and Caicos Islands, The British Virgin Islands and Bermuda.
32 Clyde15 (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
Just for the Hell of it I have emailed senor Barnuevo and asked him for the appropriate legislation or vote that has given him the authority to make this statement. It will be interesting to see if he replies.
I think I will also contact my own MEP and ask the same question. I have contacted him in the past about Malta's attempt to ignore the EU's Laws on the killing of migratort birds.
Much to my surprise, he took it all the way to the top and I received emails back with details of the EU's proposed actions against Malta.
As my local MEP has Tory sympathies and Mr. Barnuevo is the MEP for the Spanish Socialist Worker's Party, it may be just up his street !
33 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
“British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted by the European Parliament”

British sovereignty over the Islands is not accepted anywhere except by a few people in Cagada like “Troy”
34 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
33 Marcos

“Cagada” is a very free and progressive society, and they respect Self Determination, and despise propagandists.

“Have a nice day”
35 Brit Bob (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
The mental health and wellbeing of Argentine politicians and the people of Argentina is beginning to concern me, especially when statements are made concerning the rights of the Falkland Islanders. Statements such as 'the islanders have no right to self determination' and 'they have no right to exist' are being made be people who are delusional and treated as 'truth' by a population that has been brought up by propaganda and lies.

Are these people incapable of understanding some basic truths?

To help in this end, to further better wellbeing and promote good mental health to those that are delusional and have been brought up as slaves to follow propaganda without developing independent minds, I have attached a little something to help those with problems focus their attention on some basic truths.

The UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:

It states, 'Recognizing that, in accordance with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the ideal of free human beings enjoying civil and political freedom from fear and want can only be achieved if conditions are created whereby everyone may enjoy his civil and political rights, as well as his economic and cultural rights.'

Part I (III) also states,

'The States Parties to the present covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories shall promote the realization of the right to self-determination and shall respect that right in conformity with the provisions of the UN.

So next time any Argentine politician states that the 'Falkland Islanders' have no right to self-determination, you will know that they are talking 'bull.'
36 BritishAlways (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
The trouble with Spanish officials is that they are bl...y illiterate, cheats, liars and fraudsters. Ask any Spaniard!!! They are as sick of these people as Gibraltarians and Falkland Islanders are of them. They’ve ruined Spain with their corruption, milking the taxpayers in Europe dry, and making a circus of the EU with all their stooopid lies.
37 A_Voice (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
30 Think
You seem to have varied interests……..
Most of what I know could be written on the back of a Strange Quark!……and was learned from a bunch of students in a Frankfurt pub……..they had attended a Planck Seminar!…….
So…….for Troy the term “Jerk” could be appropriate…….positive jerk or negative jerk………nah ……zero jerk
38 rupertbrooks0 (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Odd statement really. Since the European Parliament has neither debated nor taken a vote on the issue it's untrue to make such a claim.

However the Treaty of Lisbon (or Treaty of Lisbon amending the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community, to give it its full title) came into force on 1 December 2009.

The European Parliament approved the Treaty by 525 votes in favour and 115 against on 20 February 2008. Since no amendment to; either articles 198-204 referring to Overseas Territories, or to the list of territories under Annex Two, the ONLY possible conclusion is that the European Parliament HAS accepted British sovereignty over the said territories of the Falkland Islands.

So there!
39 A_Voice (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
I only see these words in that cut and paste.......
.........“territories which have special relations with..................United Kingdom”
Very carefully worded I would say.........what part of it says Sovereignty?
40 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:44 pm Report abuse
“British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted by the European Parliament”

41 Brit Bob (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
@39 'British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted by Barnuevo'
Oh Whoopie do!
42 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
40Who is “Barnuevo”?

'British sovereignty over the Islands as such, is not accepted in Britain.

“People sometimes ask me why Argentinians make such an endless fuss about the islands they call Las Malvinas. The answer is simple. The Falklands belong to Argentina. They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain. Because Argentina's claim is perfectly valid, its dispute with Britain will never go away”
43 ElaineB (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:00 pm Report abuse
The Falklands are still a BOT. Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
44 Clyde15 (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
I have now emailed my local MEP Struan Stevenson to seek clarification on Sr. Barnuevo's statement.
I am not competent to interpret this part of the EU treaty and I don't think anyone on this forum is either.
45 reality check (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:03 pm Report abuse
Okay, so what are the EU going to do about it?

Oh, I know, check the shape of the bananas not on sale in the Argentine shops, to ensure they meet their stringent standards!

Much better match 25 - 12 half time score, England murdering them in the scrum.
46 Brit Bob (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:10 pm Report abuse

Barnuevo - pictured top right

You might want to study a piece of history instead of allowing yourself to be duped by propaganda.
47 rupertbrooks0 (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
The term “Special Relations” is determined by each of the 4 European powers mentioned and their various Overseas Territories. The particular “special relationship” between the UK and the Falkland Islands (for example) is one of Sovereignty. That between The Kingdom of the Netherlands and Aruba (or that between The Republic of France and St Pierre) may be something else. Its hardly neccessary for each relationship to be spelled out. By ratifying the treaty the European Parliament has accepted the relations between the four powers and their various overseas territoriesm be determined by themselves, so long as its compatible with the preamble of the treaty.

I can find no record of any vote or debate within the European Parliament on the Falklands. I guess they have more vital issues to discuss.

I can find no reason for the Spanish MEP to claim that British Sovereignty over the Islands is unacceptable to the European Parliament when the said Parliament has expressed no such opinion. I guess he was just being accommodating towards his Argentine hosts.

Don't await a reply as I'm going to the pub to watch the second half of the rugger.
48 A_Voice (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:43 pm Report abuse
So your answer is your opinion on how the EU see the relationship whilst the EU clearly state it as a Relationship.....nothing else.
Question to the Commission..........Parliamentary debate!
“Does the Commission agree that the end of Argentine policies aimed at economic isolation of an EU Member State's territory must precede any EU-Mercosur FTA? I would be grateful if the Commission could please comment on how it will ensure that our trading partners will give equal and fair treatment to all Member States and their territories under such a trade agreement.”
Commission answer.......
“The negotiations for an association agreement, including a free trade agreement, with Mercosur started in 1999, based on negotiating directives adopted by the Council of Ministers. A future free trade agreement between the EU and Mercosur would significantly contribute to improving trade and investment opportunities for economic operators in both regions. The Falkland Islands are one of the Overseas Countries and Territories associated with the EC and their association is governed by Part Four of the EC Treaty. According to the terms of the Treaty, trade agreements concluded by the EC do not apply to the Overseas Countries and Territories.”
See how the reply clearly states the association in a true politicians other words......a relationship that exists between the UK and Falklands.....not Sovereignty!
49 Britishbulldog (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 08:52 pm Report abuse
Who is this prick? and who cares what this prick says
50 toooldtodieyoung (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
25 Troy Tempest and 48 Britishbulldog

I am just sat here wondering who has whos hand up who's a*se.....

Do you think that “A_Voice” actually knows he's a sock puppet?

Do you think that he has a life beyond this forum??

Do you think that he thinks??
51 A_Voice (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:16 pm Report abuse
Same old rhetoric when you can't refute a point......resort to name calling.......what a laugh! this Britain's finest?.......The USA's sock puppets!
52 Think (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
(36) A_Voice

You say...:
You seem to have varied interests……..

I say...:
Not really.................. Just “Longing for the Harmonies”
53 Be serious (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
Argentina were put to the sword earlier today by a very good young England RU Team. Now that's a point in fact that even MEP's would have trouble disputing. Argentina were very disappointing and seemed to lack spirit. Playing at home in front of your own countrymen you would normally expect more commitment.
54 Faz (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:55 pm Report abuse
Argentina lost again, 51 points! 1833, chucked out of where they trespassed, 1982, sunk, shot down, defeated and chucked out, never to return. Darent go to the ICJ, refuse to meet the people of the Falkland Islands who have stated categorically they want nothing to do with RGland. Crime ridden, financial basket case, corrupt failing nation. Who on earth would be want to be governed by such a load of nutters.
55 inthegutter (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
#41 Marcos Alejandro

I honestly feel sorry for you guys to want something so much and devote so much energy to even knowing it will never be yours. It's very sad. No one is ever going to “give” the Falklands to Argentina. The Falklands will remain a BOT until THEY decide otherwise (at which point they'll likely be independent).

Anyway, I'll ask this again, knowing full well that you don't have an answer: why are they yours? Even if we did steal them in the 1833 (which we didn't) this doesn't even remotely make them yours today. If it did you'd be returning vast tracks of Argentina to Paraguay at the very least.
56 Think (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
(41) Marcos Alejandro

57 Terence Hill (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 10:13 pm Report abuse
Perhaps these people need to be reminded that they are over-stepping the bounds of political propriety and clearly venturing into violations of international law namely:
”There is no doubt that the principle of non-intervention remains well-established in contemporary international law.
It is part of customary international law, as the International Court of Justice has reaffirmed on a number of occasions. And it is also reflected in many treaties, such as the Charter of the Organization of American States and the Constitutive Act of the African Union. While not expressly set out in the UN Charter, it is generally held to be implicit in various of its provisions, in particular the principle of the sovereign equality of States (Article 2.1). It was of course included in the 1970 Friendly Relations Declaration

41 Marcos Alejandro and 24 Think

The UK had a legal claim to the the Islands from 1765 which predates Spain's which is a sufficiency in itself.
Even without a prior claim the UK's action in 1833 was legal under the international laws of time.
“the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modern prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created ‘prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law’”

33 Marcos Alejandro

Under the tenets of international law UK's sovereignty is recognized, it's only under the wobbly mantel of none-binding politics that there may not be complete acceptance.
58 HansNiesund (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
“ They just happen to have been seized, occupied, populated and defended by Britain”

Sounds like pretty much all that's necessary to establish sovereignty.
59 screenname (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 11:26 pm Report abuse
The Argentinean posters seem to be loving this...but they also loved it when the EU would not comment on the Falklanders recent vote because it was an internal matter for the British, which is pretty conclusive that, as far as the EU are concerned, the Falklands ARE British.

I'm surprised the Argentinean posters are getting so excited about this, since the same guy has said the same thing before, and I'd be amazed if he didn't say it again. Or course the problem is that even though the Argentineans are just plastic Spanish, it has not occurred to them that their trait of lying to try and get their own way might be a cultural thing they share with the real Spanish.

Nothing to see, move along.
60 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 11:41 pm Report abuse
56 Think
Just for a few hours :-))
By the way son, don't forget is my day tomorrow:-)
61 Faz (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
Who cares about futbol, a game for Nancy boys...
62 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 15th, 2013 - 11:54 pm
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63 Anglotino (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:09 am Report abuse
Are the Falklands Argentine yet?


So doesn't really matter what the European Parliament thinks.

The European Parliament effectively recognised Kosovo's independence from Serbia in May 2008 and has since adopted a resolution for all EU member states to recognise this independence. However 5 EU members refuse to do so (including Spain) and why should they. The European Parliament does not have the power to grant, remove or alter the recognition of sovereignty for any states.

Argentina's current ploy is to get as many countries and people as possible to raise doubts over British sovereignty, but it hasn't and won't change a thing. That is not how international relations work.
64 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:13 am Report abuse
Anglotino, Terence, Screenname,

Just had a nice afternoon in the sun. Took a full throttle blast down the highway with windows and sunroof open, then a nice little drive to the beach.
Doggy walk ( not Akitas, though) and lunch by the ocean, now sipping a cool Aussie Reisling on my patio. How relaxing - all is good.

Oops, just had a look at my notifications - silly Trolls have been sweating and fuming and huffing and puffing all day.

What exertion, what a waste.
Relax Think, you're choking on your own bile.

65 Anglotino (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:13 am Report abuse

Glad you are enjoying your day. While it is a beautiful sunny winter's day here, I am alas at work doing my handover ready for my move tomorrow.

However I too shall get a dog walk in this arvo (also not an Akita).

And yes aren't they all excited on here today. And yet nothing has changed. I keep trying to get one Malvinista to highlight something that has changed for the Falkland Islands and yet no one can rise to the challenge.

And nothing will change until the Islanders want it. I keep hearing about so many mythical future events and not a shred of detail.

PS: Hop I spellded everyfing correktly, I now howe arpset Thunk getts.
66 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:14 am Report abuse
British MP on the BBC summing up how stupid Britains current policy on the Falklands/Malvinas is.

There are reasons why the UN doesn't recognize the settlers as 'a people'.
And why practically no-one recognizes their non-UN observed, private lobby sham vote.
67 Terence Hill (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:36 am Report abuse
66 Vestige

At the end of the day political opinions don't count for anything, as they can have no effect on the legal reality. Which is simply that sovereignty is, and always will be the UK's, the only residual legal power to change that fact lies with the Islander's alone, the rest is just futile pot-banging.
68 britanico (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:44 am Report abuse

The first link is to an interview with an left wing extremist.

The second is a link to an article written by the Argentine ambassador.

Exactly what are you a vestige of? Argentine irredentism?
69 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:45 am Report abuse

“There are reasons why the UN doesn't recognize the settlers as 'a people'.
And why practically no-one recognizes their non-UN observed, private lobby sham vote.”

Um, the UN does seem to recognise Falklanders as a People.
Show us where they say different.

The UN recognises Self Determination in their Charter - Article #1

Now, the C-24 has had an embarrassing reversal and instead of indisting Falklands be surrendered to Argentina, they acknowledge they must visit and investigate and talk to the Islanders.

You made a ridiculous statement.
Please show where the UN goes counter to its Charter.
70 El capitano (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:36 am Report abuse
71 reality check (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:06 am Report abuse

George, “President Saddam, you sir are a great man” Galloway.

Priceless, what do you do for an encore?
72 BritishAlways (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:57 am Report abuse
However many articles and laws you show these illiterates it’s a total waste of time, they are so blinded by their obsession. In any case THE EU HAS NO REMIT WHATSOEVER TO INTERFERE IN THE FALKLANDS. As someone said too busy measuring bananas. The problem at the EU is that there are too many languages and too many people using Google translation!!
73 stick up your junta (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 08:35 am Report abuse
Well he would say that, wouldn't he?

That this House congratulates the Spectator, The Times and Sunday Times for their part in exposing Richard Gott of the Guardian as a KGB agent of influence at the height of the Cold War
74 HansNiesund (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 09:13 am Report abuse
On the other hand, its only fair to admit that Arjuntina does enjoy significant support at the UN. Kim, Ahmadinejad, Assad, Obiango, Mugabe ... what a significant bunch of people that is. The Malvinistas must be very proud.
75 Steve-33-uk (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 09:19 am Report abuse
'Parliamentarians of Ireland supported the Falklands claim negotiation - The statement came in the context of a meeting of the joint commission of Congress Foreign Irishman, who attended the Carmona Mendoza. They called for compliance with the UN resolution that urged the parties to talk....'

'Falkland prepares for oilfield production -
FALKLAND Islands Holdings, which owns interests including retail outlets and warehouses, has spent the last year preparing for the development of oilfields around the British territory...'

'Strange declaration -
Every now and then the Government of Guyana hits us with something quite unexpected, and the week before last it was none other than President Donald Ramotar himself who did the honours. Basking in the warmth of a reception to observe the anniversary of the Argentine Revolution, the Head of State announced to his hosts: “I wish also to reiterate Guyana’s support for the government and people of Argentina to safeguard the sovereignty and territorial integrity to all of Argentina, including the Malvinas Islands…” This left the rest of the nation somewhat nonplussed; just when, the citizens of the 83,000 square miles asked themselves, did the President declare this position before, so that now he was reiterating it?...'
76 Biguggy (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 09:20 am Report abuse
Has anyone thought that the guy was actually speaking the truth?

As Hans pointed out in post #18 the EU does not 'officially' recognize the sovereignty of any nation, even Spanish sovereignty over Spain.

I believe that what may be despicable is that he said it in such a manner that it leads others to believe the the EU 'officially' recognizes the sovereignty of others, which they do not. I say 'may be despicable' because of the details of translation. As an example of how easy that could be, last year at the C24 CFK, according to the translator, referred to Canada as a 'colony'. Now did CFK actually say that in Spanish or is it an error of translation, I do not know. I certainly do know that Canada is not a colony.

Further the point made at post #63 by Anglotino concerning Kosovo also shows how divided the nations of the EU are on declarations of independence.

Unfortunately for Argentina their record of abiding by treaties, agreements to binding arbitration, the UN Charter, a UN Security Council Resolution, even their own Constitution, etc is not good. Added to which they have now 'back peddled' on one point of their claim to the Falkland Islands, they now acknowledge that no 'settlers were expelled in 1833. In view of this where is their credibility?
77 Britworker (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 09:39 am Report abuse
It matters not, all the British foreign office need to do is put out guidance that Spain is unsafe to travel due to animosity over Gibraltan sovereignty, and it would send the Spanish into mad panic. I happen to know for a fact that they rely massively on British tourism for their economy.

What Argentina is trying to do is blackmail the EU by suggesting that a Mercsur deal is on the table if they can get the UK into bilateral dialogue with them over the Falklands.
That is when the EU should have said, no and walked away, but the Spanish are cowards, they always have been in history and still are and this guy offered the Argentina a bit of a carrot, knowing full well that the EU has no means whatsoever to tell the UK to discuss Falkland sovereignty with anyone.

It is brinkmanship, but Spain has a lot to lose here.
78 Escoses Doido (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 09:41 am Report abuse
Hey Captain, you must be getting on a bit now eh? No wonder youre falling asleep.
How old are you exactly??????

@ various.
You........ have to..... get..... out of the habit.........

79 Biguggy (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 09:53 am Report abuse
Added to which that economy is, at the moment, in the doldrums, to put it mildly.
80 yankeeboy (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:01 am Report abuse
Isn't it much more fun to watch Crissy being compared to a Drug Lord?

I mentioned these adverts last week I see Clarin is reading my posts:
81 Britworker (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:10 am Report abuse
I was in Malaga on Thursday and Friday with work and I was told that the only 'ONLY' money coming into Spain at the moment is tourism, the majority of which is British. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
82 HansNiesund (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:11 am Report abuse
In fact the last time this was reported, what the guy actually said was pretty much that sovereignity was none of the European Parliament's business. This was subsequently spun by Arjuntina into non-recognition of UK sovereignity. Mostly its only the domestic population, the intended audience, that falls for this crap. It will be instructive to look out for the actual press release from the EP, it will he a bit different.
83 Biguggy (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:42 am Report abuse
Somewhat similar to all the 'support' for Argentina's 'claim' to the Falklands but when dissected is very largely support for 'negotiations', which very much a different ball game!
On that note it will be interesting to see how much 'support' the RG's claim the Irish have given them after their trip to the Emerald Isle.
84 BritishAlways (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:00 am Report abuse
All this argument of sovereignty is absolute and total rubbish. There are treaties and rights that the spaniards and argies just cannot come to terms with. Birds of a feather with the most awful track records of corruption and utter disrespect and lack of understanding of human rights. Still in dictatorship mode that’s their problem.
85 Lord Ton (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Old news - and inaccurate too
86 mikey48 (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
What a bloody piece of old tosh.Once one gets the spanish and irish and other mediterranian countries within the EU.This was a guarenteed to say this.So remember this what they say with regards to the falklands island is complete and utter load of codswallop and tosh.The vote has been given,the british goverment backs the vote,and many countries also allow the vote.So remember this is TOSH.
87 Kilkenny man (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:17 pm Report abuse
It is becoming very obvious that if any Politician from any country speaks to anyone from the current Argentina regime no matter what is said it will be reported by Argentina as support for Argentina sovereignty of Falklands which simple shows their belief in their claim is weak at best. What most countries would support is dialogue as for Sovereignty that can only be addressed in two places the ICJ or the falklands parliament as dictated by the Article 1 UN Charter anything else would be invasion and colonialism
88 El capitano (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
78 Escoses Doido (#)......Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Interesting dont you think..?...Spain should attend to its own (Castilla la Vieja) indeed there is a movement in Castile to seperate from Spain..(Ooooooooooooooo..!)..Guess Spain will need Arjuntina's support when the going gets tough.Another Kosovo in the making ?? Ooooooooooooooooooooo...ohh dear....!!
89 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:20 pm Report abuse
yes 88 - just as theres a huge movement in Scotland to break apart the UK.
90 yankeeboy (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
Toby, Do you think we can't see you? A fake nose and glasses doesn't fool anyone.
91 Faz (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
10/10 Vegetable #89 . All the English are crossing their fingers and looking forward to this, bring it on... But unfortunately its probably not gonna happen :-( . Meanwhile the Falkland Islands slapped you in the face, just like we did in 82.

3 - 32. , 26 - 51. Where was Timerpunk, where was Cristina?

Never mind Toby one day you might be a man.
92 yankeeboy (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
89. I don't think 28% is huge do you?

Proponents of independence will have to campaign hard to swing public opinion in their favor: The latest poll by NS BMRB suggests that a majority of Scotts, 53 percent, favor staying in the UK, while only 28 percent want to separate.
93 Clyde15 (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
Talking ballocks as usual you silly person.

Nice to know you talk for the whole of England - where do you get this information from ?

England seems to be getting quite parochial if you believe this forum. You hate the Scots, Irish, French, Spanish, Italians...
.the EU...the USA, the South Americans etc. Have you never thought that maybe, just maybe, they don't like you ?
94 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
Mmmm Yankee - Yes, Id call ~ 1,480,000 people huge.
In a country of 5,500,000.

Not too far off 1 in 3 people wanting to break up the UK.
Yeah. Id be a little bit concerned.

Previous figures aside, breaking up the only country you've ever known, and lived in all your life and which has been your childhood home and fundamental part of your security. Its a dangerous thing to do, its a very tough decision, better to not change the status quo with such decisions with vast implications, especially when you've got a mortgage and kids and all that day to day stuff. Its not a decision that can be quickly reversed or without looking like a bit of a loser.
..... approximately 1 in 3 are prepared to risk that.
I wonder how many others wish to but dare not.
95 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
94 Vegemite

Chortle chortle,
How do you keep your finger on the pulse of the UK Everyman, from Korea, I mean, Argentina??
96 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
The problem is Troy Tantrum, you don't know my nationality or where I am. I might be very in touch with all thing GB.

or not. :)
97 cornishair (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Isn't Vestige just another side of “Thinks” multiple personality disorder? or is he another RG who can't win a argument on the falklands :)
98 Vestige (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:52 pm Report abuse
Nope, but he's a fan of 'Thinks' posts.
For the lulz.
as he always pwns
all the No0bz.
99 cornishair (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:02 pm Report abuse
98. oh so another European/Argentinian who can't win the legal argument, brilliant! :)

It must be awesome to be a person from a colonialist state like Argentina!
100 Briton (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:26 pm Report abuse
is not accepted by the European Parliament”

Interesting that no European MP has questioned this man,
Does he now make European policy,

The silence of the European union on his words are interesting if not very worrying,

If this man stated that the European union will fight in Syria, free taxes for all, and all European countries must sack their government by order of there new masters in Europe,
Would this be accepted as FACT,

Seems odd then that he makes statements as if he is in charge of the European union..

Just a thoughtful remark..
101 screenname (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@98 Vestige

I thought I was taking notice of Think's (and his known puppet's) posts.

On the subject of the Falklands and a Falklanders he just seems to get repeatedly beaten.

“Nope, but he's a fan of 'Thinks' posts.
For the lulz.
as he always pwns
all the No0bz.”

does not describe the Think on these pages, unless the only thing that matters is grammar and spelling. Are you on drugs?

...and why talk about yourself in the 3rd person?
102 A_Voice (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
Video Game Jargon......look it up! Basically saying he gets one over on you....bests etc.....
103 screenname (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
@102 Think:

If you are saying you class these comments sections as video games, the validity of my comment @101 still stands.

Otherwise it is more gibberish (unless the 'posts' are something like inter-game chat on steam).
104 Anglotino (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
Video game?


LOL How very 80s of you. I haven't heard them called “video games” since..... my parents spoke of them. Maybe grandparents.

I'm yet to see Vestige pwn anyone. Though Think was pwned pretty bad when he forgot to change his login with Surfer. Or Doveoverdover.

But jeez pwned bigtime with Heisenbergcontext. And he's still nfi why.
105 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:17 pm Report abuse

”The problem is Troy Tantrum, you don't know my nationality or where I am. I might be very in touch with all thing GB.

or not. :)”

You don't seem to recognise sarcasm or rhetorical questions, do you? :-)

News for you: we already know the answers.

Funny how every time the Vestige puppet ( 3rd person just for Vestige) sticks his head out of his base, he gets sniped with a “headshot” by the Brits!

What a Noob.

Have you learned to play games “online”, yet?
106 A_Voice (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
Not my words fool........this is the current urban dictionary definition.....

“The act or state of perpetrating fierce and unholy domination against another, typically in a videogame setting, resulting in shame and embarassment for the victim and his/her family until the end of time.
”We laid down the ownage on those no0b-ass no0bz”
BTW Heisenbergcontext......was are fooling no one!
I knew fine well that you knew what they meant.......was just amused to see you talking to yourself ;-)
107 screenname (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:57 pm Report abuse

Again, if you exclude grammar and spelling Think (or his known puppets) has not really bested anyone on anything to do with the Falklands.

I wonder if that is why el capitano was set up? So we could see one account better another...a bit pathetic if it was. At least with Think and A_Voice you just seem to be trying to 69 yourself (quite amusing).
108 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:58 pm Report abuse

“Not my words fool........this is the current urban dictionary definition..... ”

Nerd, You are proof that any fool can use the ud.

Did you complete Legend of Zelda, yet?

Try putting it on “easy”.

“Real Life sucks”, right???
109 A_Voice (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:15 pm Report abuse
I don't bother with's for children, but you seem to know all about it.
Again you also are fooling no one
Chuckle chuckle
There are more puppets than most seem to be aware of......
110 screenname (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
I'm pretty sure there are more puppets than I am aware of. But as I have said, I am quite happy for you to run pro-Falklander accounts Thinko.

Keep up the good work.
111 A_Voice (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:27 pm Report abuse
Self praise is no recommendation!
112 screenname (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
If you are trying to claim I am a Think puppet then...

the many good and honourable repeat posters on here that pull to pieces the Argentine fantasy story can happily lay into me if I start to post any such anti-Falklander nonsense.

Simple really.

Besides, I don't have the huge Thinko billboard that was put up over accounts like A_Voice, Heisenbergcontext and even El capitano.

That is not to say you can't be a bit more subtle, but you
113 A_Voice (#) Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
How did you jump to that conclusion.......I never said that.......
I don't understand your logic.........Is El Capitano pro Falkland or against?
Heisenbergcontext pro or against? Yet you believe they were puppets, if so for what purpose?
Simple really
114 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:00 am Report abuse
Good gracious, Toby and Think must be getting time and 1/2 today.

Poor Toby, does 1/3 of the vote win in Rg land?
Is that how Crissy stayed in Power because I can't see a majority of the population being that stupid.
Well we are talking about Rgs tho...
115 screenname (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:25 am Report abuse

when it comes to spotting your extra accounts, I don't need you to understand my logic.

Simple really.
116 A_Voice (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:40 am Report abuse
huge billboard over my account, pray do tell,,,,,,,,,if you can........thought not.
You are right I can't understand a logic that doesn't exist and neither can you.
Shit or get off the pot is what I say!.........but you won't will you?
117 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 01:46 am Report abuse
Ok the truth.....
I am in fact a sock puppet.

I usually go under the names Britworker or Conqueror.
Occasionally I use the names Slatzz or Troy Tempest.
118 screenname (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 02:50 am Report abuse
oooooo, the girls really are getting their knickers in a twist.

Come on Thinko, just look at your posts. It's quite simple really. So simple that I actually thought you might be putting these shallow puppets out there to get a few more under the radar (but as I've said, the more cunning accounts a just a waste of your time).
119 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 05:00 am Report abuse
““Not my words fool........this is the current urban dictionary definition..... ”

You say those are NOT your words, you got your terms from the UD??

”I don't bother with's for children, but you seem to know all about it.”

LOL, now YOU are not fooling anyone, IF you had gone to the Urban Dictionary for your jargon, you would have seen that I lifted EVERY term from the UD entry,
(and recognised that entry).

Excerpts from the Urban Dictionary:

“video games
a true test of skill, unless you have it on fuckin easy you nerd!
Nerd: Hey, I just beat Legend of Zelda
Gamer: Who hasnt, motha fucka!”

”video games
A way to escape, like (see weed). The problems of life slip away, but once reality is back, they hit you in the face like a brick.
mother: why are you on those games all of the time?
son: everything else sucks.“

”video games
1. A side-option to having sexual intercourse.
2. Better than sliced bread.
1. Sherryl said she would have sex with me, but I'm almost finished with Devil May Cry 3 on hard mode!
2. Video games are better than sliced bread.“

I 'Think' YOU are much more familiar with the Gaming terms than you let on!
I might go further and suggest that you made the original Gaming statement as puppet 'Vestige' and backed that puppet up with puppet ”A_Voice“

”For the lulz.
as he always pwns
all the No0bz.“

It was your own puppets that started the whole ”pawning” and Gaming jargon,

......was just amused to see you talking to yourself ;-)

LOL, you're too clever by half !
120 HansNiesund (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:04 am Report abuse
Curiously enough, there is no mention of this Argentine diplomatic triumph on the European Parliament website, whereas Senor Barnuevo's delegation doesn't seem to have produced a report since 2010. What a relief, though, that they plan to have another meeting in October.
121 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
As the temperature plunges in BA it should be fun to watch the rolling blackouts.
I hope this cold snap lasts a few weeks
122 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
Argentina may have cold snaps. After great weather and beaches filled with tanned South. American girls.
The Malvinas has the occasional warm snap. After 364 days of rain and fields filled with anxious sheep.
123 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
The beaches in Argentina are HORRIBLE, wet sand, windy, cold brown water and filled with poor people that can't afford to go somewhere decent.

Haven't you ever been there?

I see foreign tourism is down 20% yoy. How many hotels have gone out of business in BA? Anyone know? They overbuilt the last 10 years I expect to see a lot of them close after this dismal year. many factories are idle today?
124 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 02:16 pm Report abuse
Probably a few less than before the Chinese soy deal.

A drop in tourism kind of pales in comparison to the news of recoverable shale oil reserves of 27 billion barrels. :)

Argentinas beaches are horrible ??
hmm I better check youtube in case this guy is right...

125 reality check (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
Just how much income are you currently generating from the 27 million barrels of recoverable shale oil?

My guess would be $0.

When will you start generating income from the 27 million barrels of recoverable shale oil?

My guess would be, when you find someone else to pay for the technology to recover it for you.

A decade maybe!
126 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 02:58 pm Report abuse
Well oil takes time (as we've all seen).
In the meantime the Argentine tourism sector isn't going to disappear.... its got a nice varied demographic, with great weather and lots of culture.
Not 66% dependent on one declining age group, with more than 80's history as its selling point.
Did I mention culture?
127 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
Nice music you got there! So you've never been to any of the beaches for yourself. Take my word for it, don't bother they are awful. Go to Rio or PDE they're much nicer and have a better class of people.

Do you know what the world RECOVERABLE means? In Argentina it means that the o/g will stay safe and secure in the ground until CFK is long gone and people can maybe trust their investments won't end up in her personal accounts.

Any idea how much of BA will be blacked out this week?
128 HansNiesund (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse

Since you clearly despise the islands so much, one wonders why you have such a neurosis about taking them away from the people who actually live there and like it?
129 Gordo1 (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
If Argentina has such great beaches why does everybody who is anybody go to Mar del Plata in URUGUAY for the summer?
130 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 06:09 pm Report abuse
127 - “ until CFK is long gone” ...... I really don't quite get why CFK is so unpopular on here.

Are you hoping that the next elected President will have different policy on the islands.

128 - half of them don't even live there full time. Back to blighty every other month.
131 HansNiesund (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 06:24 pm Report abuse

I see. So it's just envy that moves you?
132 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
130. Do you think CFK's unpopularity with former investors in Argentina has anything to do with the flagrant disregard for contract law, International treaties and/or outright theft of their assets?
A rough estimate of the everything that has been stolen or reneged on is somewhere north of U$200Billion.
Do you get why now?
133 Think (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
Geography expert and Anglo Turnip Gordo1 asks at (129) ....:
“If Argentina has such great beaches why does everybody who is anybody go to Mar del Plata in URUGUAY for the summer?”

I say....
For the same reason as everybody who is nobody in England goes to Bournemouth in FRANCE for the summer...................... ;-)
134 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 07:58 pm Report abuse
Arguments against the above aside, how many of the people on this site here booing CFK do you really think lost any assets because of CFKs decisions re investments/international trade, YPF etc.

The people on here have a personal dislike for her because of her policy on the islands.
Which is the exact same policy you'll find repeated by any future Argentinian presidential candidate for the foreseeable future.
135 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
134. The Falklands whining gets old but that is not the reason there is no investment in the country.
Even 75% of Rgs hate CFK now.
My posts very rarely have anything to do with the lovely British Islands in the South Atlantic.
The posts are mainly centered on the K thuggery and robbery.
136 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
Thats 'your' posts.

There is a plentiful supply of insults towards CFK on these pages based on her policy on the islands. From 'other' people.
137 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
Well if I had a neighbor that tried to take my property once, was shown the door and then went around the neighborhood and cried, moaned and groaned to anyone who would listen, tried to turn the neighborhood against me because she mistakenly thought she owned the property but is too scared to go to court to prove it, I would be pretty pissed off too.

I see their point.

If Argentina was serious about the title they should take it to the ICJ or SFU.

This constant bleating over and over just makes CFK look like a bi-polar idiot that doesn't know when to keep her big mouth shut.

Typical cowardly thug
138 reality check (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
If money was involved money they would be in court before you could say, get me a lawyer.

Obviously have their priorities mixed up!
139 Vestige (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Well now son if ah had a neighbor......yaawn
140 El capitano (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
WOT..Arjuntina NOT invited to the G8 meeting in nth Ireland...?Thought they may have some input on how to solve the worlds economic woes...!!
141 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:28 pm Report abuse
So you do see their point right?

If it were me a lob a missile in BA everytime she opened her gob until she learned her lesson.
142 Steveu (#) Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
The point is that if the RG's can get the headline, it's job done for them. Fact/ truth doesn't enter into it!

Straight out of the Dr Goebbels textbook!
143 expattrev (#) Jun 18th, 2013 - 07:48 am Report abuse
Who cares what the EU think anyway...I don't agree with Argentina on this, sabre rattling and distraction by inept politicians..that said, sad situation honestly, when I backpacked through LatAm I was gobsmacked with how warmly and openly I was received....I was expecting the complete opposite to be honest..and still the best steak I've had..
144 Pete Bog (#) Jun 18th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Perhaps you would care to explain @31? If the EU does not recognise the Falkland Islands, why are they mentioned in Annex 2?

“Just for the Hell of it I have emailed senor Barnuevo”

Nice one-what's his e-mail address?

“British sovereignty over the Islands is not accepted anywhere except by a few people in Cagada like “Troy””

Read @31 Annex 2 which proves your point is false.

“The Member States agree to associate with the Union the non-European countries and territories which have special relations with Denmark, France, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. ”

You are therefore saying that non of the territories accepted by the EU as having relationships with the above member states have their sovereignty recognised by the EU

, ie:Greenland. French New Caledonia and Dependencies. French Polynesia and the French Southern and Antarctic Territories. The French Wallis and Futuna Islands. The French islands of Mayotte, Saint Pierre and Miquelon. The Dutch island of Aruba and the Dutch Antilles (the islands of Bonaire, Curaçao, Saba, St Eustatius and St Maarten), plus Anguilla, The Cayman Islands, The Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, Montserrat, Pitcairn, Saint Helena and Dependencies, British Antarctic Territory, British Indian Ocean Territory, The Turks and Caicos Islands, The British Virgin Islands and Bermuda.

145 Clyde15 (#) Jun 18th, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
Seńor Barnuevo

I have read in Mercopress that“British sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands as such is not accepted by the European Parliament”, according to a visiting delegation of EU lawmakers who met with their Argentine peers in Buenos Aires.

Can you direct me to any motion or legislation that has been passed by the European Parliament which states this. Has any vote been taken on this or is it just a personal opinion.

146 John III (Pope) (#) Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:07 am Report abuse
The self confessed criminal has returned. It is good that you post here because every hour that you spend posting is an hour that a child does not have to suffer!
147 Anglotino (#) Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:37 am Report abuse
Gawd poster 146 has officially become a stalker.

How cute.

Troy you lucky devil, John III (Pope) is in love with you.
148 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:31 pm Report abuse

We haven't seen much of TIT lately, I thought he had left to lick his wounds, or his Campora Master's boots.

As “Pope”, he seems very concerned about confessions and little boys, but what Catholic priest isn't??
Kinky lot !

Funny how his posts have degenerated into nothing more than name calling and role playing.

149 Anglotino (#) Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Yes poor guy and yet no one will ask him why.

He's tried to start a meme and it has fallen so flat I actually feel sorry for him.
150 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 20th, 2013 - 04:34 am Report abuse

Now, Vestige seems infstuated with my 'sins' as well.

Predicted, “Troy will die of Aids” - I guess that is meant to be an insult or imy something :-)
151 John III (Pope) (#) Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:22 am Report abuse
Why don't you come to the PRC. We have a role for you to play. Your last.

We know all about your Catholic priests. They prey on the weak just like all you Brits.
152 Clyde15 (#) Jun 20th, 2013 - 10:22 am Report abuse
They prey on the weak just like all you Brits.

Argentina population 40 million +
Falklands about 3000?
That seems a fair fight for Argentina!
153 Anglotino (#) Jun 20th, 2013 - 10:35 am Report abuse

Yes go to the PRC and celebrate how well Chinese society looks after its children.

Perhaps you can even visit the mother Yue Yue.

Thanks John III, the world is very aware of how the Chinese prey on the weak.

As for Vestige, LOL he is obviously an old man. Few people die from AIDS in the rich world anymore. As for it being an insult that's just scraping the bottom of the barrel. But not that unexpected by the idiots on here.
154 Clyde15 (#) Jun 20th, 2013 - 12:52 pm Report abuse
As you are the Pope, you should know all about YOUR CATHOLIC priests. Is this from personal experience ?
155 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 20th, 2013 - 12:55 pm Report abuse

Thanks for posting that video. Such a callous indifference to the suffering of others!
I have seen that video before, it caused quite a sensation here.
I was unsure where it had been shot, but it looked a lot like Mendoza, I thought.
156 John III (Pope) (#) Jun 21st, 2013 - 05:19 am Report abuse
Who cares? Your problem is us not the Argentines. But your obsession helps us to do you over!
157 Anglotino (#) Jun 21st, 2013 - 06:13 am Report abuse
Can anyone really understand these spittle covered comments by a supposedly Chinese poster?

John III (Pope).... WE..... NO...... UNNASTAN...... U
158 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 21st, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse

Toby er, sorry “John Pope III” has several alias', and I was beginning to think that “Vestige” was one of them.

However, we the calibre of tripe ( a Chinese specialty BTW) coming from our Chinese Pope 'friend' , I really doubt he has the ability to hold his attention long enough to pull off that identity.

I was taken in by Vestige's “Toby-like” ability to talk-down to others whilst not having a clue what he was speaking about, himself.

I am sure now that Toby is too lazy and stupid to carry it off.

159 John III (Pope) (#) Jun 22nd, 2013 - 06:22 am Report abuse
We are aware of your comprehension problems. But we understand you.

You will know us by our deeds. We will be putting you into economic recession next year. Have a nice day.
160 Anglotino (#) Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:31 am Report abuse
Yep it's Nostrils.

Quite yawn inspiring isn't he Troy.

Note the multiple personalities use of “we”. I've never seen a young person become so unhinged so quickly.
161 Troy Tempest (#) Jun 22nd, 2013 - 03:38 pm Report abuse

Toby, unhinged, yes. I think that he is a very unhappy 20's Argentine, in denial, fighting the disillusionment he feels with his own country.
I would say that he frustrated that he has no means of control over his own destiny - and that will continue to be the case.
He has to kick out at somebody.
He does only superficial wikidemic research to promote his charges of Anglo ill-doing or inferiority. Digging too deep would inconveniently undermine his own position.
Notice that even as his assertions are disproven, he tenaciously clings to the propaganda that he finds reassuring, repeating it a little later on.
An amateur, he is the genuine frustrated article, I think.

Speaking of 'Think', despite what Elaine says, I believe that he IS paid to be on here.
With his education I'm sure he has the competence to have had a moderately successfully career, and yet there is anger and a palpable bitterness in everything he says, which suggests that he did not achieve what he thought he deserved.

He has ability and he is very prolific on MP, running many identities, not just the inane caricatures that we have identified so readily.
He spends a huge amount of time on here posting, as well as the required prep time for his constructs and time required for 'research googling' for his arguments and provocations.
This is punctuated with periods where his troll minions do not appear for short periods of time.
I think this is a full-time paid occupation for him, as reflected in his nearly constant presence.
A Professional Hater, notice that he is not swayed by our reasoning or counter- arguments, he just takes another approach.
In his own way, I'm sure he gets pleasure from his job, but like Toby, he too has a deep-rooted personal misery that he can do nothing about. It must poison everything he does.

Working on my car today and off to the car show tomorrow. That will be fun - a sunny day, some fine machinery, and chat over a beer with fellow enthusiasts.

Ta ta
162 Escoses Doido (#) Jun 23rd, 2013 - 08:00 am Report abuse
Your Comment@ 140, El Capitano:

Hey, how's it going mate?
How old are you now? Yet still posting inert stuff on here, this forum about the Falkland Islands.

I take it you don't have a life then?

If I was even close to your age, I'd probably want to spend my time writing, or talking to my grandchildren etc, as opposed to following Mercopress Falkland Island stories.

How old were you exactly when you left Danmark?

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