Friday, August 9th 2013 - 04:54 UTC

Protests and pot banging against Cristina Fernandez administration in Buenos Aires

Protesters gathered around Buenos Aires obelisk and other neighbourhoods of Buenos Aires City to participate in a new protest against the administration of Argentine president Cristina Fernández, forty eight hours ahead of primary elections.

Many of the banners blasting corruption, lack of security, inflation and lies spontaneously carried by protestors

“An end to corruption”, “enough of lies and insecurity” were some of the banners carried by protestors who also shouted out names of President Cristina Fernandez administration officials allegedly involved in rampant corruption cases.

For the occasion, civil and political groups installed a big screen in front of the Colon Theatre in downtown Buenos Aires, while carrying signs criticizing Vice President Amado Boudou and Fernández de Kirchner son, Máximo, head of a youth militants group ‘La Campora’ allegedly financed by the government.

The concentration was not as numerous as that of last 18 April when hundreds of thousands turned out in Argentina’s main cities and towns for a similar protest.

This time however there was some controversy because of the two day mourning decreed to honour the victims of a building that collapsed, following a major gas leak, killing at least 13 and injuring dozens, while special rescue teams search among the rubble for the missing.

But organizers of ‘8A’ said they would go ahead anyway, because it’s a couple of days ahead of Sunday’s primary mandatory elections to decide on candidates for the coming October mid-term elections when half the lower house (127) and a third of the Senate seats (24) will be renewed.

As in previous occasions the concentration with banners and pot-banging were organized spontaneously through the social networks with no intervention of political parties and with a very clear instruction: strictly a-political.

Mariana Torres who identified herself as one of the organizers admitted the march attracted less people than in previous occasions, but “the complaints are the same from other protests: corruption, insecurity, lies and inflation”.

When asked about the possibility of cancelling the marches, after the Rosario tragedy where 13 people died, she said: “We decided to continue because the Government tried to make a political use of the tragedy, and even people from Rosario told us to carry on”.

But most political parties and movements that are participating on Sunday’s primaries decided to suspend their campaign closing rallies on Thursday evening to abide the national mourning.

Nevertheless it must be added that contrary to last April when people by the thousands turned out in major cities and towns, this time it was concentrated in Buenos Aires City and some metropolitan areas. Buenos Aires City traditionally has been a stronghold of the opposition to the hegemonic Peronist movement that has dominated Argentine politics for the last six decades.
 

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1 Zool (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:56 am Report abuse
What they still have pots & pans left, Quick Cristina you obviously haven't run the economy into the ground & looted enough of their money if they can afford such luxury items. 4 more years should fix the problem. Vote Cristina
2 Optimus_Princeps (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 07:38 am Report abuse
She needs a little more than a few pots and pans to get her attention. A noose and torches would be much more appropriate, unless she dissolves with water.
3 Porto Margaret (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 08:06 am Report abuse
*
Is Season 3 to be aired? I just can’t wait!

Sneak preview episode highlights:

1) KFC regime continues to keep Argentina on its knees.
2) A shining example of a dysfunctional country, the self proclaimed “leader’ of Latam to its declared subordinates.
3) Fantasy islands malvinas - an ongoing back round theme.
4) KFC and Timerman the now international renowned comedy duo.
5) Corruption and other shenanigans.
6) Inflation: Lies, damn lies and statistics.
4 Be serious (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 08:15 am Report abuse
More than happy for her to remain President of Argyland. She's doing a good job and should be left to get on with it. My only criticism is that she should concentrate on home affairs rather than trying to change the UN and the rest of the World.
5 toooldtodieyoung (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 08:19 am Report abuse
Wait for the Trolls!!! Wait for the Trolls!!!!!

They will be diverting and whitewashing as normal
6 Zaphod102 (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 09:00 am Report abuse
In spite of the reduced turnout it can't be good for her to have such a demonstration just before the election and her Rosario appearance may have backfired too (especially given her silence and no-shows on the Once rail accident etc.). I saw a heartbreaking video of a guy calling to people to stop wasting time attending to CFK and continue searching for his sister.

I wonder if the reduced turnout was because many people thought that they could protest more effectively by voting against her in a few days time? I can't imagine that the reduced turnout was because people felt that things were now improving.

We shall see...
7 ElaineB (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 09:22 am Report abuse
I suspect the reduced turnout was entirely due to the official mourning. People are always confused about whether or not protests have a place and if they would be disrespectful.

Personally, I don't think it is disrespectful to try to effect change that could prevent such tragedies in the future.
8 Simon68 (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 09:29 am Report abuse
In our town we decided not to protest in the street yesterday because we will be able to protest much better on Sunday through the vote!!!!!!!

Also it was very, very cold last night!!!!!!!!
9 yankeeboy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 09:32 am Report abuse
Elaine, My bet is she called for the mourning period to hurt both the protest and the campaigning.

AFIP announced today that Rg companies will have to apply and will probably be denied to pay foreign denominated loans.
So bye bye any outside financing for private enterprises in Arg,
Will everything be state owned shortly?

Another nail in the coffin as so many here like to say.

I think we should start a pool to see when GM, FORD and DOW pack up and leave. Any takers?
10 ElaineB (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 10:13 am Report abuse
I was pleased to see Maximo being highlighted for criticism. He hides behind his mother's skirt and holds far too much power for an unelected person who didn't have the intelligence to finish college. Though, to be fair, I am not sure how a degree would have helped him run his rent-a-thug organisation.
11 axel arg (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 11:39 am Report abuse
A-POLITICAL?, ARE YOU SURE?.
Beyond this hypocritical consideration, we all know that nobody can be so idiot to believe that the march was a-political, in fact, some of the organizers of the different cacerolazos, are candidats for the elections of next sunday, like verónica torres and some others. Anyway, i don't criticise their activism, because i am an activist too, but what is really hypocritical, is to say that the march was a-political.
As a kirchnerist activist, i have never omitted my activism, anybody can agree or not on our ideas, but we always recognize publicly our activism.
I have always respected detractors of kirchnerism, because i'ts absolutly expectable that not all people in the country will feel represented by a government, beside, i have always recognized also the negative aspects and the mistakes that involve c. f. k's administration, but what i have never tolerated is hypocresy.
People protested yesterday mostly against insecurity, corruption, inflation, among some other issues, if they really had a genuine concern in relation to those problematics, they wouldn't protest against c. f. k. only, they would protest also against the governors, because security doesn't depend on the national govt. only, firstly it depends on the provincial authorities, according to our constitution.
In some places from the country, people protested against the governors too, which is the right thing to do, however in capital federal, all critics were adressed against c. f. k. only.
They complained about the corruption cases that involve c. f k's govt., but they didn't protest against their own intendant, mauricio macri, who is being investigated by justice, accused of different delits, beside, people didn't protest against him for more security. These objetive facts show that actually they don't have any genuine concern in relation to those issues, they just make a hypocritical critic, in order to criticise a govt. which ideology doesn't coincid with their's.
12 Vestige (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 11:52 am Report abuse
Well ... thats not good.

Still... its not exactly the London riots.
13 Think (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:03 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Well, well, well... That was a meager demonstration yesterday…
10 -15,000 participants… Tops…
Speaking about participants… I just noticed that MercoPress says in the above article that...:
“The concentration was not as numerous as that of last 18 April when hundreds of thousands turned out in Argentina’s main cities and towns for a similar protest.”

Hundreds of Thousands ????
Weren’t they Millions, MercoPress ???
Are we suffering of Alzheimer light, MercoPress ???
Don’t you remember what you said on April 19th 2013, MercoPress ???...:
”Two million Argentines across the country join the biggest anti-government protest in years”
en.mercopress.com/2013/04/19/two-million-argentines-across-the-country-join-the-biggest-anti-government-protest-in-years

Chuckle chuckle ©
14 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:11 pm Report abuse
“if they really had a genuine concern in relation to those problematics, they wouldn't protest against c. f. k. only”

Why not? Is she not the leader of your country, the head of state? Have you never heard the saying....” the buck stops here? Or is her case she passes the peso and keeps the buck?

She is responsible for the inflation by restricting supply with her assinine import restrictions, all so she has U$ because Argentina cannot get financing because they are a credit risk as a deadbeat borrower.

Insecurity? Yeah, well prosperity and crime has an inverse relationship and as the economic misery increases, so does the crime. Her economic policies are so backward Argentina is hastening the downward spiral of other SA countries.

As for corruption, KFC is the poster child for corrupt and lying government. Her lying law degree, he stealing land in the south, the payoff's of her cronies, trying to steal the judicial, control wrestling of the media. Argentina's citizen what change.....any change to rid themselves of kirchner's. They will all need a long cleansing shower when she is gone.

It is unfortunate that soon, IMF will ring Argentina's bell and shortly there after, so will the US Appellate Court....followed by SCOTUS's denial to accept the case.
15 Faz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:14 pm Report abuse
Well, that winkled out Vest Itch and Thunk didnt it? Loyal to the last...
16 Be serious (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
They haven't changed sides yet but looks like they were giving it some thought. Time will prove their loyalty to Mrs Kirchner. Beginning to feel a bit sorry for her now.
17 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 12:40 pm Report abuse
@12 obviously not it wasn't in London
18 pgerman (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
There are several things that make CFK fans quite predictable. Among others fanaticism, absolutism (all absolute power to the leader) and the use of simple and high-excited words.

The regular usage of words such as sovereignty, equality, solidarity, freedom, national project, etc break any rational discussion.

As a result these words break any discussion of fiscal deficit, monetary issuance, country risk, sovereign risk, etc..

This is the basic behaviour of populism.

There is one more to be added, peronist fans speech using terms of “moral superiority”. As a result the “dollar clamp” (that “does not exist”), is just some small restriction to benefit the majority of the people. In addition the looting of the pension funds is to subsidize the poor (as if poor people were not pensioners).

Now, based on some posts, each person who participates in a massive march to criticize the government (but it is not an active participant in policy) is an hypocritical. This is simply another post of ethical and moral superiority. The message is “I'm honest than the others that are hypocrites”

There is nothing more hypocritical and corrupt than the Argentine ruling class led by CFK. She is the leader of a gang of looters. Many newspapers regularly publish articles, without any shame, saying that “CFK would do anything to keep a portion of power to guarantee her future impunity”. The same impunity that CFK, and the Peronist Party, had given to the former President Menem who has been condemned by corruption.

I’m not living in Buenos Aires now, but I talked to relatives of mine about the previous demonstrations and they were quite clear “the whole neighbourhood was there, nobody pay them a coin for being there, it was spontaneous and free”. I challenge someone who write here to offer reasonable proves that there were money being given to those who demonstrate against CFK

As with the demonstrations in Spain, Portugal, Greece, Brazil something seems to be changing in Argentina
19 yankeeboy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
Ahh rumors of another forced pesification of bank deposits
has it been a decade already?

How are these people so dumb?
Time and again electing dumber and more corrupt people than the last ones
It is simply astonishing
20 pgerman (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
The current reserves of the Central Bank shows more dollars of private deposits (around U$D 7 billion) than genuine dollars owned by the CB (around U$D 6.5 billion).

With the failure of the CEDIN and BAADE that collected U$D 10 millon the temptation of taking this priveta moeny must be very high.

If they pesefy these private funds...it will be for...for the benefit of the majority of citizens !!!
21 yankeeboy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 02:34 pm Report abuse
Yes just like stealing all of Anses hard currency, wah was it again, “to protect people's savings” by turning U$ into worthless peso bonds paying less than inflation rate?
Okay.
22 Briton (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
Protests by the masses,
One, tens, hundreds, thousands, millions, who cares,
CFK obviously not,

Only at election time will the real test be tested,

Will you vote CFK , ?
.
23 Optimus_Princeps (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:00 pm Report abuse
@11 Kirchnerists don't pay attention to what's going on around them, and respond violently to facts, common sense, and any option that isn't identical to theirs.

I'm studying economics (for personal enjoyment), and CFK is doing absolutely everything wrong. Slowing down trade, imposing restrictions, over-taxing, giving money to unproductive hands, threatening those that don't agree, not keeping up with agreements, stealing, making a fool out of herself in public, etc.

She's not doing one thing correctly. Not a single one. When there are no more funds for you, and your malnourished and staving, realize that your incompetence and laziness is to blame. We've supported you lazy rats for too long, not your disgusting leathery hag. Us.
24 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
...Does everybody here hates Argentina?
25 Briton (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:17 pm Report abuse
NO,

Just the ones who support the mad one..lol.
26 ElaineB (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
@24 No. If you think that you have not been here for long.

The posters here tend to fall into categories of, non-Argentines that have lived and/or work there, non-Argentines that have family and friends there, Falkland Islanders posting against the persecution by CFK's government, Argentine anti-kirchnerites and a few Argentine supporters of CFK none of whom live in Argentina.

It is not Argentina that is the issue but the corrupt government.
27 Briton (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Agreed...
28 Faz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
No, Argentina is potentially a wonderful country. It's just those who mindlessly claim our islands and try to persecute islanders and Britons. Like Gollum , KFC, the Trolley Dolly and trolls like Toby, Vest Itch and Thunk with their hissing lies, distortions and sneering aggression.
29 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 03:51 pm Report abuse
o_o...

Well...that's a relief...I think so...meh, i'm bogus.

I mean, my country is also in a awkward moment too, the civil protests and mercosul affair....too much too bear, too little to hope.

I still, i have hope in the civility of the democracy, I believe that the people of my country will make a choice in 2014, based on the sake of the nation, it's people, it's rights and obligations with the present and future generations, and not based simply on popularity, imediate gains or vain and holowed ideologies.

And i hope that the argies will do the same, that's why I can't help but feeling pity for their present situation.

Still, as long as hope still present...
30 Pete Bog (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:06 pm Report abuse
@24

No.
It is the completely irrational approach by the present Argentine government to the Falkland Islanders that earn it much contempt.
31 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:32 pm Report abuse
@26 And a few that fought in 82 to liberate the islands from the JUNTA
32 A_Voice (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
@24 JetsreamBR
She missed the major category.......The British Wannabe's and the British/Falkland Sycophants .......the Jingoists and the Bigots......
Can't miss them...they are fond of words like .....Typhoon's, Apache's, Warships, Submarines.....etc!
33 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
@ 32 why you jealous because you haven't got any, that's the Typhoon's, Apache's, Warships, Submarines.....etc! You have plenty of Wannabes the most prominent being CFK and her gang, tons of sycophants and a shit load of bigots
34 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
@32 & @33
...And again my efforts to put out a fire were in vain
35 A_Voice (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
@24
I was going to include......“82”.....but he beat me to it....
ps......He wasn't one of them that fought in 82 either.
Shussh keep that to yourself.......don't let him know I told you that!
36 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
#29 when you read unsolicited responses, you will be able to tell who they are based what they type. Bear in mind many here lie where they reside and refuse to use email to verify IP addresses. But as many said here, they really do not hate Argentines, nor Argentina. There is a well defined hatred to kirchnerites and a disliking to peronism in general, just as they, as communists hate capitalism and republican democracy. Is you what a while, tobi, think and steve will response in multiple ID (screen names),
37 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
@36 I praise your point of view, still, I havent understood a single word you've typed on the last part...
38 A_Voice (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
@34
I must apologise for the poor English from Pops.....I don't think English is his first language......he's a Yank!....please let me translate for you.
”Is you what a while, tobi, think and steve will response in multiple ID (screen names),”
If you wait a while, tobi, think and steve will respond in multiple ID (screen names),

...all part of the service!...;-)))))
39 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
Oh i see, sorry for not noticing this before.
40 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:14 pm Report abuse
@35 really
@24 the answer to your question is no I certainly don't bear any grudges they were doing what they were ordered to do as were we, what a lot of people hate is the way CFK try's to drag the Falklands into everything and not just leave them alone and accept the situation is not going to change through threats and bullying. I have nothing against the normal ordinary Argentinian, except the knobs you get on here who don't even live there, don't pay there taxes there and do nothing to change the situation there except sit behind there keyboards and spout shite
41 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
#37 no problem tobi, the mestizos like a-voice know their place and what to do for typos as he did on #38.
42 yankeeboy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
12 Vestige
I wanted to give you an update on your “cha ching” over the GMO corn, its pricing reached its lowest level in 3 years and my bet between the fungusy wheat and the crashing Soy you'll be without funds to pay for fuel next year.
Well not just fuel

Have a great weekend!
43 A_Voice (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
@40
Yeah really!
@39
.....I was joking there.....you do realise? .....about Captain Poppy (Pops)
44 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@43 whatever
45 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:34 pm Report abuse
Okay..I think i'm starting to see the big picture.

Well, let me try to draw a hypothetical scenario, just out of curiosity.

First, let's exclude some externalities, if that can be said. Let's disconsider the present CFK government, and the so called ”jeopardization' of the Mercosul.

Do you guys think that a federation with Argentina, like the one proposed by the UK govt. before 82' war, would've be a feasible alternative, that could please all parties involved?
46 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
@45 not now to be honest, Argentina have blown all their chances and the constant threats and bullying have not and will not help their cause one little bit, both with the UN and C24 or in fact all other organisations. I hate to say this but the only way for Argentina to get the Falklands now is by force which they are now incapable of doing thanks to you know who.
47 Porto Margaret (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:52 pm Report abuse
#45

“Do you guys think that a federation with Argentina, like the one proposed by the UK govt. before 82' war, would've be a feasible alternative, that could please all parties involved?”

No.

1. Alternative to the happy lives that the Falklands now have. No.
2. The war made no difference to Falkland Islanders as they never excepted Argentinas false claims before. No.
3. There is no need to please Argentina. No.
48 Think (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
(24) JetsreamBR
You ask...:
“ ...Does everybody here hates Argentina?”

I say...:
1) I, for one, don't
2) I'm an average Argentinean living in Patagonia....
3) I comment here on the Malvinas Islands Issue and South American politics in general.
4) I'm not a great fan of the present Argentinean administration but I can see, with a naked eye, that it is the best we have had in the last ~sixty years......
4) I do respect our present government because they have a clear popular mandate and because I agree with many of its social & economical policies.
5) I completely oppose the British military occupation of some 12,000,000 km2 of South Atlantic territory (Malvinas, Georgias, Shetland del Sur and the Antarctic sector) as a reminiscence of their long gone Empire.
6) The above points seem to offend a lot of Anglo posters out there…..

Anyhow….. Bem-vindo to this crazy place ;-)
El Think
Chubut, Patagonia, Argentina.

PS:
Answering your question at (45)....:
IMHO, yes, it would be a feasible alternative.....
The deal was done in 1976-77 but the Anglos backtracked....
49 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
@46 Still, it's all hypothetical, and circumstantial, to some extent. Ergo, considering my previous scenario, without the constant beligerency, mutual respect and solid trade polices, mine hypothesis still hold as plausible, don't?
50 Porto Margaret (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
# Yapper

“Chubut, Patagonia, Argentina.”

When did your family implant themselves there?
When did those place names come into being ?

Not part of some old Spanish empire cum present day Argentine colonists?

Tick tock
51 Think (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:16 pm Report abuse
Correction to my post (48)....:

The deal was done in 1973-74 but the Anglos backtracked....
52 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
@51 thank god
53 Faz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:20 pm Report abuse
Thunk.... What a load of tosh
1. Of course you don't.
2. You are a liar, that is clear from your post times, you are in Europe
3. You are reading a script provided by Gollum. You are a paid troll.
4. You are paid, probably with funds stolen from ordinary decent Argentinean by your corrupt masters.
5. That is clear. There you go again spouting bare faced lies about a small country that pre-existed yours. The arms are there solely because of naked agression from those like you, and those that we kicked out in a humiliating fashion in 1982 when your troops ran away.
6. You betcha, and if slime balls like you try anything again, you won't get off so lightly next time

Now slither off back to your hole, you don't even live in your own country because you are more comfortable in ours.
54 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
Faz we all know stink lives and sponges of the people he professes to hate so much and he's never been near rgenweener for years or in fact is not allowed to go back, probably a deserter
55 Faz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
Toby, you are another fake. I doubt anyone pays you for your lies and diversions, they really are purile. Go bang your potty.
56 slattzzz (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:46 pm Report abuse
Stink can be found in the British legion in Dover apparently
57 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
...well now that's an interesting development so far...
58 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
@28, 55

I claim the Falklands as mine? Im “Think”? Since when? Faz, go shoot yourself, and don't put words into anyone's mouth, you are more lost than a lobster in the Sahara.

If there is one thing I have never done here is even used the word “Malvinas” (unlike you lousy Brits who still squirm at the politically and scientifically accepted definintions of Argentine Sea, Piedra Buena Passage, not Drake Passage, and Rio de la Plata, not River Plate).

All I want is for the UK and Europe to leave us the heck alone, and never come back, take your embassies, and don't ask for anything of us in the future. Simple.

I would sign that deal in a heartbeat if I was dictator: take away the Malvinas constitutional clause, in exchange I never hear from anyone from that side of the ocean again.
59 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 08:08 pm Report abuse
@58

Cara, relax, keep bashing like that, and you're going to have a stroke.

Isolationism will take anyone into nowhere.

I'm Brazilian, and i have a certain degree of grudge against the U.S govt, because of the military rule they supported i'm my country, and because of some imperialist tendencies of some corporations.

Still, this is an uphill battle, keep your temper or your argument will lose ground.
60 yankeeboy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
Desperate for Isolationism and a has a foreign language degree
Doesn't anyone see the irony?

Also what's with all the Rgs ( voice think Toby et al) that seriously believe just because something is theoretically possible that it is also practical? The best recent example is flying diagonally across the Pacific. No retard in the world would ever say that nobody but dear ol Think.

Or Toby's harping on and on about Argentina and Isolation, a country that lives on exporting cars and grains and has ZERO and I mean ZERO innovation. Monkeys could put together the computer crap that's left in TDF. You'd never see any technology again if you were as isolated as you claim you want to be, no internet, no gen farming, no car exports, no meds...do you see where I am going? Argentinians are too dumb and lazy to come up with all the stuff the north creates. You just put it together badly.

Toby, There is really something mentally wrong with you. You need some help.
61 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
Isn't tobi's new persona cute? They are all (one) sick fucks. Think id vocie....tobi is....god, got a calculator to add them up. He even admitted to all his names........guzz is steve is who the hell else. No wonder SA has the most shrinks in the world. Writing personality doesn't change much.
62 Be serious (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 10:35 pm Report abuse
Cockadoodledooooooo. And may I just say what a load of cock from the supercilious cock from Chabut or wherever. Judas would have been proud. The rats are being eradicated on South Georgia but in Argyland they are running for cover. Poor old Mrs Kirchner.
63 The Truth PaTroll (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
Z z z z .
64 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 09th, 2013 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
55-57faz Slattzzz jetstreamRR

Still thinking ex-Communist “Think” is the disembodied and stateless, “A_Voice”, “Stevie” the “ex-Anarchist, Uruguayan” and also, “Guzz, the Uruguayan in exile due to Operation Condor”.
All are stateless and bitter, none seem to live in SA and they are all disdainful of the ordinary people.

Certainly, between “Think” and “a_Voice” alone, one could say he is on here “full-time”.

What else in life could Think be suited for, except to make money slagging people and telling propaganda and lies?
He could make good money from Kretina, if he stays as prolific as he is.
65 Think (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 03:10 am Report abuse
TWIMC

Time for some local Chubutean news.....

'www.diariojornada.com.ar/76326/Policiales/El_amigo_mas_fiel_el_perro_que_nunca_abandono_a_su_amo_

Good Patagonian dog...
66 toooldtodieyoung (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:56 am Report abuse
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!

Well done THINK and A_Voice and The Truth PaTroll and Stevie and Faz!!! Well done!!!

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!

( Yes, I am laughing at you, I'm laughing at you all ) Well done for being sssoooo predictable!!!

Now back on topic... what you do think about the protests against the government?

do ANY of you think? CAN any of you think for yourselves?

Anyone of you want to try and comment on the news story? any takers........Anyone???

No?

Whats the matter? State got your tongue??
67 Faz (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:49 am Report abuse
Thunk...if that was supposed to support your Argentine residence credentials, it failed.. As for the 'news' story... Yaaaaawn!
68 toooldtodieyoung (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:46 am Report abuse
67 Faz

OOOOoooppppss sorry mate!! I included you with the list of trolls in my comment at 66.......

Note to self.......... must try harder
69 yankeeboy (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 06:54 am Report abuse
65. The front page news in that newspaper was 2 new ultrasound machines for the hospital.
If that is front page news what do they do send out telegrams when a shipment of syringes comes in?
Bahahahaha

Dire straits
Simple as that
70 slattzzz (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 07:37 am Report abuse
@65 wow so you go on the internet and find a local chubutean news story and post it on here then expect us to believe your in Patagonia, crikey that's clever. How is the weather in Dover?
71 Think (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:51 am Report abuse
TWIMC

Just felt like commenting that news at (65) because ”Talero” happens to be an offspring of one of the border collies that daily honours me with his company….

Best bloodline in the whole Southern Hemisphere…. :-)
72 Gollum (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:04 am Report abuse
Gollum, Gollum, Think you idiot, don't say that. Best bloodline? How do you think that leaves us proud Spaniards and Italians, inferior to dogs! If you are going to link articles make sure you are not leaving us open to even more ridicule! Ssssssss... I wants it!

Does it piss up your trouser or try to shag your leg?
73 slattzzz (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 09:56 am Report abuse
@71 Just felt like commenting that news at (65) because ”Talero” happens to be an offspring of one of the border collies that daily honours me with his company….
so his dad lives in dover then..................nice
74 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:06 am Report abuse
....I doubt it, but I guess that if we put half the energy we use onto swearing, mocking and waving fists at each other, into something more constructive, we all wouldn't have so many problems...but it's just a guess...
75 Think (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:29 am Report abuse
Yankee Turnip at (69)
You say...:
“The front page news in that newspaper was 2 new ultrasound machines for the hospital. If that is front page news what do they do send out telegrams when a shipment of syringes comes in?”

I say...:
1) Thanks for calling my attention to that wonderful piece of local news...
Two new tomographs for Trelew’s hospital … Have a look at those beauties!
www.diariojornada.com.ar/76299/Politica/Dos_nuevos_ecografos_para_el_Hospital_de_Trel
2) Wistfully...., we ceased using telegrams (and AM radio messages to the Rural Settler) in Chubut some years ago….
Nowadays the news (important as unimportant) reach us via our Provincial Free Satellite Wi-Fi Internet System.
76 yankeeboy (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:52 am Report abuse
75. My point , as I am sure you know, buying cheap pieces of medical equipment that a hospital should already have available isn't really news.

But in a place that must re-use syringes I guess it is...

How sad.
77 Conqueror (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:01 pm Report abuse
@11 Thanks, axel, nice to know you're still out there, still being a fool and still, presumably, brainwashing the children of your country. Or have you been promoted to street sweeper?
@24 No. But you have to understand differentiation. My personal attitude is that argieland is populated by two distinct types of people. First, there are “argies”. Virtually every negative character trait you can imagine is represented in “argies”. “Argentines” are completely different. They are civilised, honest, intelligent, responsible and sane. Unfortunately, they are also a minority.
@26 And Brits who care!
@32 And let's compare the Brits who put 1,500 troops and 4 combat aircraft in place against belligerent and dishonest argieland. And argieland is planning to buy 20? Who is militarising the South Atlantic? And argieland would talk about warships and submarines as well. If they could afford them and they didn't sink!
@34 Go figure who set the fire. In 13 years in the 19th century, argieland tried to steal British territory. In the 30s and 40s, encouraged by Hitler, it tried again. In '82 it conducted an illegal invasion and occupation and started a war. Again, Britain doused the fire and threw the arsonists out.
@39 No, you don't. “A_Voice” is just “a mouth”.
@45 No. Argieland is neither honest nor trustworthy. Maybe if it mends its ways, pays its debts and waits 100 years.
@49 Start from a basic premise. Nothing “Think” says is true. Absolutely nothing!
59 Unfortunately for the Troll, the Falkland Islands, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and British Antarctic Territory are all British. And he hates the fact that a little group of islands 7,000 miles away has been so much better than his “country”.
@74 The “solution” is simple. It will come argieland tells the truth, abandons its illegitimate claims and stops waging economic warfare. And shame on other latam countries for supporting it.
78 Think (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 01:39 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Only an ignorant Yankee Turnip would call the ”Ferrari” og Ecographs…., the Italian Esaote MyLab 50 XVision for ”cheap”…..
79 A_V0ice (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
TWIMC

Please excuse my alter ego, I seemed to have lost control of it. My thinly veiled alter ego is not talking nice .

Pardon me I will try harder to keep him locked up.
80 yankeeboy (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 03:35 pm Report abuse
Italian electronics
Is that a joke?
81 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
@77

Wah, wah. I praise for having enough bollocks to sustain firmly all your arguments.

Yet, looks like you haven't understood the root of question. I've highlighted the point that a solution that benefits ALL parties involved, under the hypothecial utopic scenario i've displayed earlier. Ergo, despite the firmness of your arguments, they're still inflexible and entrenched, therefore, displaying a situation that will drag this further and further without any solution in the end.
82 slattzzz (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
@81 cheers
83 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 10th, 2013 - 07:52 pm Report abuse
#81 your new name is so unbecoming of your true voice.
84 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 11th, 2013 - 12:20 am Report abuse
81
Hi “Vestige” and whoever else you are...
85 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 11th, 2013 - 09:07 am Report abuse
Troy they are so clueless. Can they not see that having all these persona's to support their concepts........that something must be wrong? One would think that after a little introspective thinking they would say to themselves......“WTF!”
86 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 12th, 2013 - 01:19 pm Report abuse
83
...so what? As far as I know, I have the right to pick a name that pleases me not the anyone else, not to mention that, there was never a rule in this site saying that you username must represent your personal alignments of whatever kind of subject. As long as the a username is not clearly offensive, there isn't any objections to it.

84 & 85

So, let me see this again, you guys are meaning that because I support the idea that, since all parties involved claim a certain objective, under their own 'legitimate' reasons, a negotiated sollution that, in thesis, should be able to pleased all parties involved, in a discussion that it's dragging itself since god knows when, is reason enough to grade me down to a level of mere fake persona?
87 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 12th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
Why on earth or in any reasonably prudent person’s rational thinking would someone submit to negotiations of something that is not negotiable?
In this case the Falkland Island. The settlers in the Falklands did not overthrow indigenous people to even land on the C24 list. In fact they were uninhabited islands. Argentina actually displaced the original inhabitants and the current citizens of Argentina are technically squatters like us here in the USA. But that will not change just as the Falklands will not change. The current people of the Falklands have been there longer then they in Argentina. Have you not heard that possession is 9/10s the rule of law?
Perhaps you feel the proximately makes the case for them belonging to Argentina. Then is Cuba the USA’s, after all the have a possession and presence there? In fact most of the Caribbean Island countries would be the USA’s possessions.
Why should England talk to Argentina over the islands?
What benefit is there to talk to Argentina?
Why does Argentina refuse to talk to the Islanders?

England will talk, but not without the people of the Falkland Islands. If Argentina had felt they had a legitimate claim to the islands they should have spoken up in 1850 when they resumed relations with England and signed an agreement stating that there were no unresolved issues. It was not until over 100 years later that they started to make rants about the islands. If we as a society allow one country to retroactively make a claim to land and concede to that claim, where does it stop for every country on earth? The precedent set by that action would, conceding to Argentina claim over 100 years later would be a nightmare indeed.
88 Think (#) Aug 12th, 2013 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
(86) JetsreamBR
You say....:
“ 84 & 85
So, let me see this again, you guys are meaning that because I support the idea that, since all parties involved claim a certain objective, under their own 'legitimate' reasons, a negotiated sollution that, in thesis, should be able to pleased all parties involved, in a discussion that it's dragging itself since god knows when, is reason enough to grade me down to a level of mere fake persona? ”

I say.....:
Jupppppppppppppppppp............
That seems to be the drill with the Anglo Turnips in here........
89 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 12th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
so jetstream.....think...voice....your choice......just answer those three simple questions. It's a simple as driving rt 15 thru Trout Run.
90 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 12th, 2013 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
So, my turn on the Russian Roulette, eh?

Look, Pops, you seem to be a vet around here, therefore, you've already know how to stress your own arguments with enough precision to macth your personal opinion. But, when it comes to me, i'm still a rookie around here, so pardon me for not being able to examplify my intentions clearly enough, so take them with grain of wit for now.

Also, I see that, the points you make in 'England will talk, but not without the people of the Falkland Islands' in special, that, correct if i'm wrong, there's no reason to decide who's claims on the island is right without the presence of the voices of the Falks on the subject...which is reasonable...why not...Still, haven't I said something similar?

As you can see, I've always based my argument under the hypothesis of a sollution that benefits all parties involved, ergo, in order to achieve this, all parties involved must have the right to talk, be args, brits or falks, it's simple logic...

Also, I can't see how could my arguments cause so much chagrin, since they're still being hypothetical and circunstantial.

Ah! before I forget, about the three questions. Well, the only reason I'm still debating here in this site, is to answer those same three questions...You may have already a flag to hoist, mate...But I'm still looking for mine.
91 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
Why MUST Argentina be allowed a say in Falklands future??

They can publicly vent their opinions or fairy tales , and they do, but they have no legal claim, nor have they shown any evidence supporting it, that hasn't been shown to be false.
92 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 12th, 2013 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
#90 forgive me bt I did not get beyond “pops”. You're the only one that calls me that. But now you can have your other personas call me that. Try not to tip your cards..........others will read them voice, think or Jet. Your choice what you prefer to be called.
The other to my email extends to you also.

m.cher1160@outlook.com

Like think and voice.....no takers

BTW.....Argentina refuses to talk to the Islanders, almost 200 years of a consistent population with possession and ownership rights are self evident. To decide otherwise sets a dangerous precedent. If someone walked up and claimed my home was theirs and ranted for years and demanded I talk to them, my response would be their is nothing to talk about......like the Islanders response it.
93 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 12:54 am Report abuse
92Capt Poppy

I noticed the “Pops” slip as well- particularly amusing was his pointed remarks about being 'new' on here and at a disadvantage when it comes to countering your arguments.
“I haven't chosen my flag” or some such crap.

It just reeked of Thinko bs.

He sets the stage so ham-fistedly, the lack of subtlety is hilarious!!!

Oh, dear.
94 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:30 am Report abuse
The links between Jet, Voice and Think are beyond obvious but he cannot see it as English is his second language, albeit good, but still his second language. I find this personality far more humbling then the others.

Positive election results in Argentina. There is a potential for change and maybe get back in the world community. I hope for the sake of friends and family.
95 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 11:53 am Report abuse
So the game still the same, eh?

Fine, let's try a more direct approach, shall we?

What do I have to do to prove that I'm not a mere fake persona?
96 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 12:44 pm Report abuse
let me call you
97 Simon68 (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
95 JetsreamBR (#)
Aug 13th, 2013 - 11:53 am

If you dig really deep, we are all fake personas!!!!!!!!!!!
98 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
@97
Please, let's not dwelve into philosophical questions about the personalities of the human being, I just want to prove that I'm not a guy you say I am, using a fake profile to pretend to be someone else.

@96
Can I ask you to be more concrete please?
99 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
#98 Can you please elaborate on your metaphoric use of words?

Provide me a telephone number to call you at my expense, or you can always email me at:

m.cher1160@outlook.com

You obviously have email......unless there are some reason for reservations not to email me?
100 JetsreamBR (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:26 pm Report abuse
#99

Heh, why not?

Here's mine if you're interested:

m.fabiocl14@outlook.com

Is that proof enough?
101 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
Jet Think

That proves nothing - that email could belong to your brother in Salta who pimps aboriginal children to Venezuelan tourists, or anyone else for that matter.

He needs you to email 'him' to prove you have a link to the non-cyber world.
102 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
Jet/voice/think ....nice try but I gave you mine to email me. Your email means nothing. Do you carry the same fears to email as the other trolls? My first preference was to call you.
103 Troy Tempest (#) Aug 13th, 2013 - 10:34 pm Report abuse
Poppy

Afraid, and liars!

Not one of them has the balls.

yawn, they'll find a way to decline.

The flounders want 'off the hook'.
104 Captain Poppy (#) Aug 14th, 2013 - 05:13 am Report abuse
lol.......man, all it is is sending an email address. He's been under Jet too long.....Voice has vanished. But once he realizes that Voice will make another appearance. But now that I said that, he will not, now that I said that he will, he..........

Lol
105 Ayayay (#) Aug 15th, 2013 - 03:43 am Report abuse
oh dear lord, the ellipses...

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