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Westminster addressed Spain's Guardia Civil 'dangerous and provocative' actions in Gibraltar waters

British Labor MP Jim Dobbin has filed an early day motion calling on the House of Commons to condemn the actions of the Spanish Guardia Civil crew that led to “an armed stand-off” with Royal Navy vessels in Gibraltar waters last week.

MP Dobbin is the chairman of the Gibraltar all party parliamentary group

 The motion described how Guardia Civil patrol boat maneuvered in “a dangerous and provocative” manner, causing a collision with a British vessel escorting a Royal Fleet Auxiliary tanker.

It also recognized “the restraint and professionalism of the Royal Navy, Royal Gibraltar Police and Royal Fleet Auxiliary in the face of Spanish aggression.” Although the motion refers to the RGP, it was in fact the Gibraltar Defense Police that was present during the incident.

The motion filed by Mr Dobbin, who is the chairman of the Gibraltar all party parliamentary group, also noted that “aggressive activity” at the border had led to delays of up to four hours for “hard-working people” from Gibraltar and Spain.

It finally asked the Commons to express “…concern that Spain, a democratic member of the European Union, is acting in this manner.”

In the Westminster system, early day motions are rarely debated in the Commons and are primarily used to draw attention to particular subjects of interest.

The motion filed by Mr Dobbins was backed by four additional MPs, three from the Labor party and one from the Conservatives.

Mr Dobbin had earlier this week asked two questions relating to the incident last week.

Additionally, British Europe Minister David Lidington laid a written ministerial statement in the Commons in which he condemned the Guardia Civil actions and confirmed that Britain had made a formal protest to Spain.

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1 Anglotino (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 06:08 am Report abuse
Honestly other than the UK and Gibraltar, does anyone actually realise Spain is doing these things?

It's like singing to an empty auditorium. Sounds great but there's no reaction.
2 Asdrúbal el Bello (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 08:02 am Report abuse
Silent act is usually the most useful. Spain has managed to block the of rocks of construction import to Gibraltar and stopped (by administrative deficiencies) the ship that carried them out. You may not read about that anywhere.
3 DanyBerger (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:28 am Report abuse
Poor British cowards they are afraid of Spain and want to get a fight with Argentina.just retarded and crazy...
4 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:36 am Report abuse
@3
A provocative and pointless comment, as usual. I think it was very obvious who was afraid of who when Spain backed down from the legendary pact with Argentina at the UN.
5 reality check (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:44 am Report abuse
Lmao

A surrender monkey calling the Brits cowards.
6 DanyBerger (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:53 am Report abuse
You guys are living in a bubble if ArgenLatina wants, can crash you any time soon.
You are lucky that this govt believe in human rights and all tis king of stuff...
7 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:58 am Report abuse
@6
Well you had better 'crash' us with someone else's armed forces because at the moment your's can't even take part in an exercise due to lack of funds or breaking down half way through!

en.mercopress.com/2012/10/20/second-argentine-navy-vessel-retained-in-africa
8 LEPRecon (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 10:02 am Report abuse
@6 DanyBerger

Is this where you tell us of your amazing plan to invade the Falklands Islands, sacrificing 10,000 Argentines?

No doubt you have a similar plan for the Spanish to invade Gibraltar, sacrificing a similar number of people. Not yourself of course.
9 reality check (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse
Danny

Make sure you bring an ample supply of bananas and white flags.
10 Britworker (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 10:07 am Report abuse
@8
I noticed he called himself Argenlatina in his post, he seriously thinks that another South American country is going to put their soldiers and resources on the line to support their colonial aspirations. It's very sad.
11 LEPRecon (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 11:03 am Report abuse
@10 Britworker

Dany is one of those deluded Argentines who truly believe that the rest of South America is just waiting to welcome Argentine dictatorship with open arms. He believes that eventually, South America will one day become the United States of Argentina, or more likely the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic of Argentina.

Of course, this is a pipe dream. Just like his plan to invade the Falklands was.

You see, Britworker, Dany once won a game of Risk, and since then he has convinced himself that he is a strategic and military genius.

When I asked him how he was going to get his 10,000 sacrificial lambs to the Falklands (as we know the Argentine navy is very busy sinking in port), and how he would keep them supplied (through submarine infested waters), he ran away and wouldn't answer. Maybe the dice didn't roll the right way for him.

His rants are quite amusing though.
12 Justthefacts (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
It seems to me that the 'restraint' shown by British/Gibraltar authorities is increasingly making the problem worse not better.
13 andy65 (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
@DanyBerger, Are you taking the piss or just so badly educated and brainwashed.
14 Conqueror (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 12:49 pm Report abuse
@1 Actually, it is being noticed elsewhere. Spain is being criticised in a number of forums. It is “on the hook” with the Council of Europe for example. The European Commission has blown Spain's contention that Gibraltar has some sort of dodgy financial structure right out of the water. So this is coming to the attention of all 27 of the other members of the EU and all 46 of the other members of the Council of Europe.
@2 Yep, read it. We shall know soon how the ship gets on. Spain reduced to desperate measures. Has it threatened Portugal over the Savage Islands? Will the next shipment of rocks come from North Africa?
@3 And which part of la-la land are you living in and sponging off?
@6 The only thing argieland can “crash”, you moronic imbecile, is itself. And it's doing quite well at that. You are lucky that Brits believe in being kind to dumb animals. Take a look. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Argentine_Navy_ships

That's all you've got. Want to compare that to the RAF's 219 combat aircraft (Tornados and Typhoons) and 40 warships (all floating)?
@10 You may find that “he” is, in fact, a “she”.
15 Anglotino (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
@12 Justthefacts

Agreed! The restraint shown by the British governments in Gibraltar and London has made it increasingly uncomfortable for Madrid.

Their incompetent and juvenile actions have backfired quite spectacularly and seemingly keep getting worse.
16 andy65 (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 01:00 pm Report abuse
I love how these stupid trolls flee the forums when confronted with the truth,any of you like to tell us what it feels like to be constantly in the wrong
17 Trunce! (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
@2

“You may not read about that anywhere.”

As stated by @14 - it is available for reading here.

www.panorama.gi/localnews/headlines.php?action=view_article&article=11055&offset=0

And here.

www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=31326

More petulant and petty bullying from Spain - just like Argieland.
18 Anglotino (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
Haha just read the articles.

So let me get this right.... Spain a country is a deep depression with unemployment at 27% has now killed an export industry?

So no effect on Gibraltar but fewer jobs and less taxes collected in Spain.

Justthefacts was right. Spain's problems are getting worse.
19 DanyBerger (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
Ha ha ha

Do you see how bad you are that even the Spanish are blockading you?

The argies sized their oil company in ARG and they just shut up and go home with their tail between legs.
What does it tell you boys?
Ok don't answer I wont like to see you more humiliated...
20 agent999 (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 03:18 pm Report abuse
@19
Check you facts - plonker

www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/-Repsol-quiere-negociar-con-la-Argentina-por-YPF-pero-amenaza-con-ir-al-Ciadi-20131108-0079.html
21 Conqueror (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
@19 A couple of small points you've missed, plonkess. Argieland isn't a civilised “country”. Neither is Spain. Both still into fascist bullying. However, the British government is being urged, by the British people, to sink or shoot down anything Spanish that encroaches. Will argieland take the hint? Or will Britain have to start destroying the last few argie instruments of oppression? Ships, aircraft, Buenos Aires, CFK, Timboy? Just so you know, I regularly contact my MP with a request for Spanish and argie vessels to be blown out of the water. I'm careful about Spain. I make sure that he understands that I mean anything Spanish. State vessels? Fine. Fishing vessels? Fine. Straying cargo vessels? Fine. “Pleasure” craft? Fine. “Private” craft? Fine. Surfboards? Fine. “Swimmers”? Fine. Not a problem with argieland. Argies don't dare get out where the waves are big. But then, where argies venture out, do they come back? Aren't mines wonderful? Submarine surfaces under argie vessel. Certain submarines have reinforced “sails” to punch through polar ice. And the hulls of argie trespassers? Time to remember our heritage. Kill the aggressors. Let them “disappear”!
22 Briton (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 08:02 pm Report abuse
We have no wo wish to insult losers,
or offend losers,

so if spain does not wake up very soon,
she will, in the eyes of the world be just that,
[ losers ] just like CFK .
23 Xect (#) Nov 09th, 2013 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
Haha, I don't about you guys but I think Danny is great. He really couldn't get any further away from reality if he tried!

Spain blockading Gibraltar? All I saw was Spain backing down from the confrontation with the UK when the UK threatened it and also it deciding against working with Argentina after the UK threatened action if it did.

It hardly takes a genius to realise Spain runs away when the UK comes out to play. Its no different than when a Royal Navy warship patrols Gibraltar waters and the Spain Guardia and friends go home and won't come out to play!
24 bushpilot (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 01:13 am Report abuse
I don't think the posts at #3 and #6 were made by the Dany Berger/Stevie we usually hear from.
25 Anglotino (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 01:27 am Report abuse
“I don't think the posts at #3 and #6 were made by the Dany Berger/Stevie we usually hear from.”

I agree. DanyBerger's posts in the last 24 hours have been markedly different from the usual. Different use of language and atrocious spelling mistakes.

Not just on this post either.
26 LEPRecon (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 08:47 am Report abuse
@24 & 25

Maybe they are on holiday and another La Campora stooge is standing in for them. Their accounts were created by La Campora, so it is entirely possible.

Or perhaps they've been fired for doing a p!ss poor job.
27 Anglotino (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 10:34 am Report abuse
It was probably his turn to line up at the soup kitchen or the bakery. Or the cambio!

His sharehouse probably rotates the responsibility.
28 reality check (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
Be fair, he's an Argentine would be hero, as such he is eminently qualified to comment on people running home with their tales between their legs, after all his compatriots are well practiced at that particular military manoeuvre.
29 Pete Bog (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 02:13 pm Report abuse
@3
“Poor British cowards they are afraid of Spain and want to get a fight with Argentina”

That doesn't make sense, chey, if the British were cowards they wouldn't want a fight with Argentina?

If, the British are cowards, why did Spain back down from agreeing to buddy up with Argentina?

“ ArgenLatina wants, can crash you any time soon”

We'll pass up that offer. It's your airforce that crashes its own aircraft (no help from UK-not necessary), and your navy where the ships tend to sink very easily (no help from the UK, not necessary-you manage to sink your OWN ships-lol)).

and if that was the case that you can crash us soon, why are you waiting to have a go at us?

Feeling sorry in advance for the Typhoon pilots?
Or the Rapier operators?
Or the Submarine crews?
Or the ship crews?

Or are you worried that your forces have not correctly issued all of your standard ration packs with white flags for the inevitable moment you have to surrender when you discover the devious British have sent down a single Ghurka to greet your invasion ship??

Or are you worried that if you invade ,once you have made more 'Pampers' aircraft, the UK forces on the Falklands will laugh themselves to death?

You needn't be worried, chey.
30 Biguggy (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 04:37 pm Report abuse
Pete
I think you may have 'hit the nail on the head'. The British defenders may be incapable of action due to laughter or plain disbelief!
31 Briton (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
1. Sentinel ‏@Minuteman86 9 Nov
@Mulder1981 SPS Vencedora in the foreground, RN trafalgar class SSN background, count it as the most serious incursion to date

twitter.com/Minuteman86/status/399163151658549248/photo/1

They are at it again,
But sadly we just don’t hit children,
Just ignore them lol
.
32 Conqueror (#) Nov 10th, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
@31 You have to admit that the Spaniards are courageous/stupid. 30 seconds from being blown in half. Please!
33 DanyBerger (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 09:58 am Report abuse
Dear Mohammed Conqueror

The Royal Navy avoided any confrontation with them because they know that the F@cker Spanish can blow up them to the sky.

Just Brit. cowardly that’s all....

have you got you Kebab ration today?

Good...
34 Rufus (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 10:58 am Report abuse
I'm sorry, but I still find the idea of a Guardia Civil patrol boat (probably weighs less than 20 tonnes) and a Wave class tanker (weighs about 31 kilotonnes unladen) having an “arguement” to be a bit of a one sided contest.

My deep philosophical question: If Wave class tanker were to collide with a GC patrol boat, would the Wave crew actually notice? Presumably they have someone on the foredeck watching for debris (or soon to be debris) in front of it, in order for them to know when they need to repaint the bows.
35 Anglotino (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 12:46 pm Report abuse
Dany

If Spain is so powerful, why isn't Gibraltar part of Spain.

Hmm, it's always the simplest questions that trip the morons up.
36 Musky (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
@33 Dany B
Oh Dany boy, Britain is not harrying the spanish, britain is not harrying the argentines, britain is not escalating events. In a world where democracies talk to each other, britain will talk the talk and de-escalate things. Britain will seek the correct path of diplomacy. If our careful considerate approach is belligerently challenged then we will simply smash the living daylights out of you, remove your undersized brain and replace it with two teabags and hot water so we can carry on in our calm manner and resume our tea drinking.
37 ChrisR (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
I think we have the Dany from the alter-ego at this time.

There are two of them: one who has a knowledge of computers and electronics and can hold a resoned discussion, and then there is this idiot.
38 DanyBerger (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
Oh! poor Britons they cannot realised how bad economically, military, etc. they are

You cannot afford a war with anyone on this planet.

Armed Forces too weak to defeat the Taliban
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8642525/Armed-Forces-too-weak-to-defeat-the-Taliban.html

Just puare noise that’s all...
39 reality check (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
Tough bastards the Taliban, wipe you surrender monkeys out at the first contact!
40 Condorito (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 05:47 pm Report abuse
When was the last time Spanish or Argentine military won a war with anyone other than their own population?

Dany is funny. Argentine armed forces were at their zenith in the 70s and 80s. They possibly had the hardware to hold the FI, but not the competence. Today, without a navy or airforce it is hard to see how they could take the islands in the first place.

After “crashing” the Argies in '82 the Brits were generous enough not to pursue reprisals. The sinking of the entire Argie fleet would have been acceptable and commensurate. It would also have been a good reminder for those Argies with short memories.
41 reality check (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
Nah, much more satisfying watching them rot and become more ineffective week by week. So much so, that their Flag ship now has sails!
42 Briton (#) Nov 11th, 2013 - 07:30 pm Report abuse
32 Conqueror
It seems 33 DanyBerger does not appreciate you.

The Spanish by the way have passed on their knowledge and experience to their offspring,

Thus today you have two wannabies who think they are man enough to stand tall and proud,

Rather than harass abuse and threaten little countries,

Still,
Like all twins of evil,
They suffer from loser’s syndrome…lol

.
43 BLACK CAT (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 02:25 am Report abuse
Dannyboyburger your a oxygen thief
44 DanyBerger (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 06:17 am Report abuse
@BLACK Catherine
“Dannyboyburger your a oxygen thief”

It is my fault that you cannot defeat even starving Talibans?

I guess not...
45 BLACK CAT (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
@Dannyboywimpyburger

I'm not sure you know enough to even guess...........not
46 Clyde15 (#) Nov 13th, 2013 - 10:17 am Report abuse
#44
You cannot afford a war with anyone on this planet.
Not entirely correct. Argentina would cause few problems.

Afghanistan is a civil war. The best that can be done is to keep it in check until the new Afghanistan forces can take charge of their own country.
Also, the reason for the invasion was to destroy the Talibans and
Al qaeda's ability to launch attacks on the west from Afghanistan.
This has been a success. No attacks have been launched from there since the invasion.
Has it also escaped your notice that the UK is only a part of the ISAF forces which, by the way, includes Germany. How successful have they been ?
47 St.John (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 02:17 am Report abuse
“DanyBerger's posts in the last 24 hours have been markedly different from the usual. Different use of language and atrocious spelling mistakes.”

The “DanyBurger” night shift at work?
48 DanyBerger (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 03:44 am Report abuse
Oops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Fury of former British commander as WikiLeaks reveals U.S. generals didn't think British soldiers were up to taking on the Taliban”

“If you employ a carpenter but you buy his tools in a toy shop, you shouldn't expect him to do a good job...”

“According to the cables, President Karzai told U.S. officials he was puzzled why security in Helmand had deteriorated after the arrival of British troops.”
Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“After the U.S-led invasion in 2001, he said he had been able to go to the south of the country with just 14 U.S. special forces.

“Soon afterwards 'even Helmand was safe for girls to go to school', he said, adding: 'Now, 4,000 British soldiers are in Helmand and the people are not safe.'”

Incompetence perhaps?
49 inthegutter (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 08:24 am Report abuse
Hey Dany, ignoring my questions and comments on the other thread eh, coward. You offer no explanation for why Argentina should get the Falklands against the wishes the islanders.

All you do is claim how the UK is apparently weak and helpless and has achieved nothing. I'm beginning to wonder if this is due to the “military failures” of your home and adoptive countries over the years.
50 BLACK CAT (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 09:11 am Report abuse
@49 inthegutter (#)

I'm afraid that DanyBerger (aka Walking Eagle) will never answer anything that will tax his pea sized brain.
51 DanyBerger (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 09:48 am Report abuse
@inthegutter & Black Catherine

“Westminster addressed Spain's Guardia Civil 'dangerous and provocative' actions in Gibraltar waters”

This article is about Ukisntan, Gibraltar and Spain.
And not about Argentina or Germany so stay on topic and comments must be in English please or don't know to read?
52 inthegutter (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 10:54 am Report abuse
#51 Yes, I see your comment #48 was all about “Ukisntan, Gibraltar and Spain”, hypocrite.

Fine, do you believe Gibraltar should be returned to Spain?
53 DanyBerger (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
@inthegutter

“Fine, do you believe Gibraltar should be returned to Spain?”

Doesn’t matter because when we finish the whole reunification or Europe all these gonna be EuroGermany including Ukistan.
54 inthegutter (#) Nov 14th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
#53 Are you on crack or have what I suspect are your national socialist tendencies come out? Did your family flee for Argentina in the mid to late 1940s by any chance?

As usual you have no argument and just spout utter crap.
55 Clyde15 (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
#53
Third time lucky ? I think not !!
By the way, who is we ? Are you an ossie ? Is that why you left Deutschland or were you Jewish fleeing from persecution.
Take some English lessons from TTT. You left out a verb in your last sentence.
56 DanyBerger (#) Nov 15th, 2013 - 10:39 pm Report abuse
@Clyde15

No need for lessons Clyde15 is my new version of Inglish...
Write as ya like and pronaunce as you can...

Well like you do in Scotfarm remember?
57 Clyde15 (#) Nov 16th, 2013 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
#56
Your posts are getting more and more incoherent.
Why do you not go the way of Brasiliero and make up a version of English that no one can understand.

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