Friday, December 27th 2013 - 05:28 UTC

Blackouts continue in Argentina while government keeps threatening power distributors

Blackouts continued in several neighborhoods of Argentina's metropolitan Buenos Aires area while protests increased including pickets in highways, attempts to set on fire power distributors offices or kidnap power companies' officers while the only resource from government has been to blame companies and threaten to take over utilities.

Pickets in highways; protests in corners of the city was the mood of Buenos Aires with transport also in the verge of collapse

 In Buenos Aires there was some brief relief with late Thursday evening showers after a full day of 38 degrees Celsisus. In the north of Argentina in the province of Santiago del Estero where there was a record 47 degrees two people died and in downtown Buenos Aires some hospitals have warned that at peak consumption hours they can't guarantee air conditioning or even some of the support equipment including the blood banks.

In other areas power has been off for over a week and water supply is running short.

People have reacted with pickets in highways, bomb fires in corners and constant banging of pans, with media giving the situation extensive coverage.

In other neighborhoods rail lines were interrupted and a power company station was set on fire but was quickly dominated. In Rosario to the north a group of people tried to kidnap staff from the power companies.

But the situation overall is that until the heat wave is not over and if temperatures rise above 32 degrees Celsius there is no way of cutting back on blackouts. An estimated forty to fifty neighborhoods are suffering the consequences of the collapse, which meant many Argentines spent Christmas without power, or even water, not to say fresh drinks.

Neighboring Uruguay has all its thermal and hydroelectric capacity working for Argentina but it's not enough.

However Edenor one of the two main power distributors in Buenos Aires said that “we have almost no clients without electricity” and there are 'no neighborhoods affected, “just specific cases”. But this was quickly dismissed in interviews on live television

In the city of Cordoba, central Argentina, the provincial power company blamed customers for the blackouts arguing that companies “can't anticipate a significant increase in demand” if consumers 'don't inform us of the electric powered appliances they have incorporated“.

Cabinet chief Jorge Capitanich was again on the air to blame distributors Edenor and Edesur for the lack of power services and insisted that the 'nationalization ' of utilities' concessions is one of the government's ”work hypothesis“.

Capitanich revealed that another option under consideration is to transfer control of the utilities to the province of Buenos Aires and the City of Buenos Aires.

Federal Planning Minister Julio De Vido promised that residents who have suffered power outages would be properly compensated, while assuring that energy suppliers would face financial sanctions.

”Every company will present their figures and there will be a repayment system, a form of economic compensation independent of punishments, and fines to the company“ said De Vido.

The minister added that the cuts were not caused by a lack of power supplies in the country.

”There is no shortage of energy, there is a distribution problem,“ he affirmed.

De Vido also appealed to consumers to moderate there use of electrical appliances, in the face of scorching hot weather in Buenos Aires and other provinces.

”At 38°C there is a climate crisis, we have to be responsible with energy use, using appliances rationally so that power returns to those who do not have it.”

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1 Zethee (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:07 am Report abuse
“can't anticipate a significant increase in demand” if consumers 'don't inform us of the electric powered appliances they have incorporated“.”

...Seriously. A power company can't anticipate a power increase on CHRISTMAS? What the hell are these people doing running a power company.

And lol about customers having to inform them about whey they want to increase there power consumption. You should all E-mail them on mass every time you buy anything electric just to piss them off.
2 owl61 (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:23 am Report abuse
“The time has come,” the Walrus said,
“To talk of many things:
Of shoes–and ships–and sealing-wax–
Of cabbages–and kings–
And why the sea is boiling hot–
And whether pigs have wings.”

p.s. Mr Capitanich, I bought a new hairdryer. I will use it between 8-9 am every other day. Glad I could help fix the blackout problem.
p.p.s. I understand that things will much better when the government takes over the creation and distribution of energy - just like the national airline and international debt management.
3 golfcronie (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:34 am Report abuse
Power companies DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY to invest in the infractructure because of ineptitude of the GOVERNMENT. Cannot the GOVERNMENT see that freezing prices does not make money for the Electric Companies. Now they want to FINE the companies so they have less money to invest. You know where this is going to end.
4 Iron Man (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 09:14 am Report abuse
I see they are talking about fining the power companies, and on top of that making them compensate the people who suffered blackouts. Can they not see the problem with that? Let me run it past them:

The government fixes the energy prices so that the power companies cannot make a profit that will enable them to invest in maintaining and upgrading the distribution infrastructure, which has led to the current situation of blackouts.

The government is now taking even more money from them in fines and compensation, so there is even less chance of investment.

Surely the only way out is for the government to nationalise - but that will end up costing the government even more. Can you imagine it making the government ever making a profit post nationalisation?

It all beggars belief.
5 golfcronie (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 09:25 am Report abuse
Baldrick says “I have a cunning plan, Blackadder ” Why don't we ( Government ) give the running of the Utility Companies to the province of Buenos Aires and thje City of Buenos Aires, that way we can blame them when things go wrong. Do the aforementioned have the money to ivest in the infratructure? Oh well not our fault says the Government, problem swept under the carpet.
6 Idlehands (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 10:12 am Report abuse
They had a large piranha attack in Argentina this week. It must be a metaphor for something.

Wait for the announcement that the government is going to nationalise piranhas
7 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 10:18 am Report abuse
#3 You hot the nail right on the head with that post. A business needs profits to re-invest in order to provide more business and they are too stupid to comprehend that. In most countries, businesses also usually get some type of tax credits for investments in equipment of this type of infrastructure. But that's conventional wisdom and we all know how kirchner operates. Cuntlips have been rather quiet since her brain surgery. This is just the start of summer.....maybe she won't make it through the season. They must be paranoid to raid the military HQ believing the Army was operating an intelligence operation.
8 Anglotino (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 10:30 am Report abuse
Double electricity prices overnight and watch consumption drop. It worked here.

Australia has had lower electricity consumption each year for the past three years. Which is pretty amazing when you consider our population grows 400,000 per year. Which is higher than Argentina's.

On a per capita basis it is down to the level of 1997.
9 Faz (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 10:52 am Report abuse
Building power stations and building and maintaining a decent reliable grid to distribute power costs lots of money. Like everything else in RGland its all falling apart. RGland needs an intelligent capable government and stability to drag itself up by its bootstraps from the low point. This, like in the UK presently is hard and painful. RGland needs to look at itself critically. It wont get anywhere with the present load of goons and crooks. The Scotch are in grave danger of going down the same dead end socialist path if they go along with the socialist rantings of the pink president. Its a one man road to disaster.
10 yankeeboy (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 11:05 am Report abuse
My guess is that another week or two and the Soy yield will be abysmal. Cars exports are way down. There is nothing to bring in U$ to pay for fuel.
The BCRA kitty is dry.
I am laughing and laughing.
11 RICO (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
It is good to know that despite the fact that Argentina cannot keep the lights on in its hospitals and has 10 million people living in poverty at least its defence department can afford a very successful space rocket program. Argentina is looking more and more like its North Korean allies every day.
12 yankeeboy (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
Even the fish are starting to fight back.

tn.com.ar/sociedad/otro-ataque-de-palometas-hubo-5-heridos-en-posadas_433540

Bahahahahaha
13 Britworker (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
@11
A successful space rocket program? You are taking the piss I hope. I think wallace and gromit did a far better job.

www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=657&q=wallace+ang+gromit&oq=wallace+ang+gromit&gs_l=img.3..0i10i24.3387.12105.0.13139.24.19.3.2.2.0.81.1107.19.19.0....0...1ac.1.32.img..0.24.1151.OHcl_Bhx2lQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=CJSu1SCM4wlkxM%3A%3Bpf1KAmLBMMC8_M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fstatic.guim.co.uk%252Fsys-images%252FGuardian%252FPix%252Fpictures%252F2010%252F12%252F6%252F1291658996946%252FWallace-and-Gromit-watch--006.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.theguardian.com%252Ftv-and-radio%252F2010%252Fdec%252F08%252Fwallace-gromit-inventions-john-lennon%3B460%3B276
14 MagnusMaster (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
@8 they will do that eventually, they have no choice. But when they do that, it's game over for CFK. Not only will they have to double electricity rates but also gas and petrol rates, which will make inflation even worse.
15 Condorito (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
@10 yankee
“There is nothing to bring in U$ to pay for fuel.”

You are forgetting an important diversification in a growth industry:

www.emol.com/noticias/internacional/2013/12/21/636055/argentina-pasa-de-ser-lugar-de-transito-a-punto-de-produccion-de-cocaina.html
16 redp0ll (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
@2 owl 62 I think I can cap that one
www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html
?!
17 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
3, 5, 7,

You are spot on.

The government controls the rates and will strangle the money supply to which ever body is deemed responsible for the utility, blaming them for the problems.

We've seen it before - Opposition mayors find their cities short-funded by the Central Government and face the backlash of the people.

Macro knows this only too well - surely his city will not allow itself to be saddled with the BA power utility ??
18 redp0ll (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
@2 Owl you may like to look up another of Lears poems, the Owl and the Pussycat. Its a hoot but perhaps to near the reality of whats happening in the land of fantasy.
19 ron_57 (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 06:27 pm Report abuse
Yankeeboy and Captain Poppy forgot to add that they are very busy trying to restore the electricity in the east of the usa and canada for more than 300,000 customers suffering cold weather!
20 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 06:30 pm Report abuse
#19 yes you are correct......powers lines actually “CAME DOWN” from ice on the.

Do you see downed line and poles from the weight of ice as the same in Argentina? Where too many users and not enough to supply them?
21 Anglotino (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
Poor Ron_57

Comparing a natural disaster in the US with a summer heatwave.

Today we will have 38C here in Melbourne. I cooled my house overnight and will close it up soon. By this arvo I will have to run the air con for and hour or two probably. In 15 minute spurts to keep my lounge comfortable. It's too expensive to run it non stop as it should be.

The last thing I will worry about is the power grid collapsing or a blackout.

But interesting which posters have disappeared since these blackouts in Argentina started: Think, Marcos, Dany, Heisenbergcontext, Alejandro... who else?
22 ron_57 (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
@21 Poor Anglotino
He cannot understand that a summer heatwave and a natural disaster such as cold weather is caused by Mother Nature=same to compare=It takes weeks to remedy.
High consumption of electricity around summertime causes blackouts in many countries not only in Argentina.
So, this article is nothing more than bloody rubbish british comments!
23 yankeeboy (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
22. So what you are trying to say is that Rgs are staging protests, burning tires and garbage because of the weather?
Do you think they are that stupid?

Tn.com.ar looks lovely right now, is there any street that is not on fire?

Do Rgs get dumber with every protest from breathing in the toxic fumes?

I think so
24 Stevie (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
You lot have no friggin clue...
You don't build a power plant because summer is arriving...
The problem in Argentina isn't production of electricity, unless they've had old plants pensioned. The problem is distribution. And power lines don't just disappear...
25 Pirate Love (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
Well The Christmas lights are on in the UK, so glad I don't live in the dark realm that is argentina
26 golfcronie (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 11:45 pm Report abuse
@24
“ the problem in Argentina isn't the production of electricity ” No because the Uraguayans are supplying most of it to north of Argentina. Too bloody cheaply as well.
27 Stevie (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
Call it brotherly love, we'll need them on next dry season...
The blackouts are just too big to blame shortage of electricity production.
I've seen plenty of transformer stations cut off because of overload and it doesn't take a week to get it up going, that's just silly.
And no way a heatwave could be a reason to construct an entire power plant.
That's even more silly.
No, if electricity production was the problem, we'd see this happening every single time there is an overload on the Argentine grid.
Storms can bring the power grid to its knees for weeks, because of damages to the grid itself. So can other natural disasters, but a heatwave merely causes an overload.

You people are talking crap...
28 ron_57 (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 12:09 am Report abuse
@23
Some argies protests for nothing!
You should know by now that cacerolas noises, etc. is nothing more than a waste of time!
29 Pete Bog (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 12:13 am Report abuse
Argentina:

Dear People of the Falkland Islands!
A great incentive for you to join our glorious empire is to experience the sheer unbridled pleasure of having your power cut.
We simply cannot understand that because you have control over your own power you don't have power shortages.

You must however understand that to become true citizens of our great sub-continent you must give up a regular power supply. We know you will see reason eventually.

Love Gollum
30 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 12:18 am Report abuse
Pete
Would that be power lines by air? Or just wireless?
I'm finding it hard to think you would see reason should it poke your eye...
31 ron_57 (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 12:18 am Report abuse
@29
Bloody rubbish british comment!
32 Anglotino (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 01:14 am Report abuse
As much as Susie as ron_57 and Stevie would like to deflect, you can't wish away these crippling blackouts.

Generating electricity is a waste of time unless someone is consuming it. So yes Argentina can generate electricity, but that doesn't mean its electricity grid can cope. The fact they import electricity from Uruguay means that Argentina cannot meet the surge in demand during hot weather.

What is worse is that industry has lower demand at this time of year.

If electricity is cheap, there is no incentive for consumers to conserve. No incentive to switch off appliances. No incentive to buy or upgrade to more energy efficient appliances. No incentive to insulate alter lifestyle.

By keeping electricity prices artificially low, the government has denied electricity companies adequate returns on investment. Why invest if your returns are negative. They are businesses not charities.

Free electricity markets do WORK. Australia yet again is proof of this. Our population grows 400,000 per year and electricity consumption is DROPPING. Each person in Australia now uses as much electricity as we did 16 years ago.

It's already 30C here and will reach 38C later. And other than my fridge and modem, all I'm running is a pedestal fan in the lounge and each exhaust fan in the bathrooms. The two air cons will stay off. Why? Because they are too expensive to run.

The Argentine government thinks it is helping people by making electricity so cheap. All they have done is made electricity consumption soar without anyone caring.

Argentina has got the electricity sunset it pays for.

Thankfully I also have the electricity system I pay for. And don't have to worry about days without power during a warm spell.

Well I gotta go and catch an air conditions electric tram into town to go to an air conditioned shopping centre and watch a movie. No fear that the power will cut out.
33 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:15 am Report abuse
To Invest in what exactly, Anglolatino? In new random power plants in case of a heatwave?

You are right though, you get what you vote for.
The main reason as to why you can't marry in Canberra.
Shouldn't that be a human right and your decision?
34 Anglotino (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:16 am Report abuse
Good one Stevie

I see your downward slide is continuing.

You will note that I didn't blame the entire problem on generation. Reread my post carefully this time. And why haven't I experienced days of blackouts when we have a heatwave. The longest blackout in my life is about 5 hours.

And stay on topic. Jeez what a loser. Gay rights and electricity? What next? Iraq? Afghanistan? You stand for nothing Stevie, and it shows. You talk the talk but don't walk the walk. A contrarian of the finest pedigree.

I'm sure glad you live in a safe, prosperous, democratic and free market country in Europe. It means your kids won't have to work like so many children in Argentina. It also means they can get an education that instills in them values and morals and ethics that aren't the same as the warped ones handed to you by your parents and upbringing. Physically they're a long way from Uruguay and mentally they're even further.

Stevie, the champion of Argentina, who prefers to talk about Australia's constitutional issues rather than the subject at hand; tens of thousands of Argentines who couldn't give a rat's fart about ideology when they have no electricity or running water.

The Argentine government regulates the electricity industry in Argentina. If they refuse to provide the oversight to make sure the industry is invested in and upgraded and expanded; then they are to blame. It they want to keep prices artificially low to buy off a restless population so they fail to notice other shortcomings; then they are now reaping their reward.

My all means let the government nationalise the energy system. There's two guarantees. First, they'll have to pay out like they do YFP. Second consumers will pay to upgrade the system. It might be through taxes instead of tariffs but they'll pay either way.
35 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:46 am Report abuse
34 Anglotino

Nicely put.

Stevie appears to be pulling extra duty, covering for all the Trolls 'off at Christmas' or perhaps 'off the grid' during the outages.

Either way, he's not putting much into it - a“contrarian” retort to anything we say, or deflection and insults.
36 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 07:46 am Report abuse
Talking about sticking to the subject, what has my parents to do with anything??
Cagás a los saltos y pateás el sorete...

I did stick to the subject, but you pretended you didn't see my question.
Invest on what exactly, Anglolatino?

And I still find it weird that you are more preoccupied by a random Argentine electricity bill than your own human rights in your own country.
37 Anglotino (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 07:55 am Report abuse
Troy

Stevie puts ideology before people.

Which explains why he is so enamoured with Argentina. Because there is no better definition of Kirchnerism than that.

All his parents' indoctrination and sacrifice has boiled down to an armchair revolutionary. Someone who refuses to live by his beliefs. He won't sacrifice his lifestyle to build a better Uruguay or even Argentina.

Instead he is another cog in the capitalist system he so despises and pays taxes into a country that supports the EU and NATO and the whole system he dislikes.

Nothing disgusts Stevie more than himself. Which is why like so many on here; he tries to be a small target by hiding as much as possible about himself. Because on here people hold a mirror up so he can see his hypocrisy in all its ugly glory.
38 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 08:03 am Report abuse
You still wish to talk about me...
Anglolatino, Invest in what exactly?
Stick to the subject, remember?

And I still think you should be more preoccupied by your own human rights in your own country than a random electricity bill in Argentina...

Nice try though...

;)
39 Anglotino (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 10:06 am Report abuse
Stevie I don't even have to prove you are a moronic hypocrite because you don't keep your mouth shut. You do the job for me.

You go off topic more than almost anyone but now you wanna stay on topic. Sure you don't wanna talk about Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Perhaps the US debt?

Would you like to revise your post 33 now?

You went off topic FIRST so don't try to pathetically whine about staying on topic now. Marriage equality in Australia has nothing to do with Argentina's current crisis. For that it what it is. A crisis.

As for what to invest in? Well generation is just one factor. There's the HV lines (they run at 220,000 volts here) then there the distribution centres (Melbourne has 8) they step it down to 22,000 volts. Then it's off to suburban streets and transformers that step it down to 415 volt 3 phase. And finally into the house at 240 volts (+-6% in Victoria). Unless all that is running well then you have problems. And remember electricity recirculates back to the source.

Failure to invest in all that can cause major problems. Unauthorised connections throw out the balance. There's a reason that only licences electricians can touch anything electrical here. To keep our system WORKING.

Power generation is worthless unless your network actually works.

But perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about.
Perhaps we should talk about gay marriage.
40 Britworker (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
Interesting article a year or so old, but inflation has only gone up so it's relevance is more so. Will they take Brazil down with them?

www.internationalpolicydigest.org/2012/03/28/argentinas-economic-policy-failing-to-learn-from-history/
41 cornelius (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 12:43 pm Report abuse
Typical Bolivarian bullies.
The collapse of the Argentinian infrastructure follow the Bolivarian system which the South Americans are fond off what a bunch of idiots.
Venezuela is collapsing and Argentina will follow is very similar.
42 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
Hahahaha Anglolatino!!!
Did you google that all by yourself?
Your HV lines run at 220kV, you say?
Is that better or worse than 400kV? 60kV?
So they should invest on what? 220kV/50kV transformers, or 400kV/220kV?

And your house, is it possible you mean that there's 240V between phase-zero, and not phase-phase? Because otherwise I'd love to see you using the stove...

And what on earth do you refer to when you say that “Unauthorised connections throw out the balance.” The differential cuts off, maybe?

Hahahaha Anglolatino, you little scholar!!!
43 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
I guess B.A. can use the saintly Chavez technique for utilities husbandry:

Utilise the electricity for 3 minutes each day per person in the home

- No air-con, cold food, but enough for a family shower.
Remember the Blitz/rationing?
B.A. belt-tightening-time.
44 Anglotino (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 01:58 pm Report abuse
So you agree Stevie that if all those things are not working properly then you have problems.

And actually I didn't Google a single piece of information. That's how I understand the system works. I am not an electrician and have never claimed to even work in that industry.

Melbourne's HV supply runs at 220kV. Whether that is better or worse than your alternative is beside the point as that is what they are. I didn't claim otherwise.

The supply into my current house is 240V single phase as far as I'm aware-though that can vary. Usually somewhere between 220 and 260. Though the house I built with my father had 3 phase due to the size of the powerboard because of the way the house was wired and the fact my mother used a kiln.

And yes Stevie, the more illegal connection to the grid the more unstable and the greater the voltage drop. Length by cable thickness. A neighbourhood transformer steps the voltage down for a certain area's usage. If you were as well travelled as you say, then you would love the almost chaotic beauty of cables leeching electricity throughout many developing nations - of which Argentina is now one.

For some unknown reason you believe there is no issues with Argentina's electricity system and yet for some unfathomable reason there are 100,000 of Argentines with electrics supply issues right now.

According to you Argentina generates ENOUGH electricity. So why don't people have any? Where is the issue in your seemingly experienced opinion.

You keep harping on about there being no problems and yet clearly there are. Why can't the Argentine electricity grid handle peak loads during a heatwave?

Ours can.

Back on early 2009 we had a massive heatwave with consecutive days over 43C and our highest ever temperature of almost 47C. And yet OUR system coped. A day without electricity here is considered a MAJOR failure.

But to you, more than a week is not an issue.

Pesky reality is getting in the way of your ideology yet again.
45 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 01:59 pm Report abuse
Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner’s regime has borrowed repeatedly from socialist Venezuela’s playbook of economic misery over the years: first seizing Aerolineas, the nation’s largest airline, and then, in April 2012, snatching YPF, its largest oil company; then, announcing trade restrictions that require importers obtain a permit for every good brought into the country; and ordering supermarkets to freeze prices for months.

Now with electricity failing throughout the country, she is close to reaching her goal of chaos. For the president of a dying country, she certainly has been quiet compared to her almost daily disruption of TV prior to her exploratory brain surgery. Perhaps the powers that be are keeping her in the shadows. There's also rumblings on the street whether she will retain her title as president throughout this summer.
46 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
Anglolatino
HV in the range of 50kV-400kV is for tranportation of electricity.
This is for the reason that lower voltages have too much loss across distances (higher current equals more heat = loss)
This is why you have +-6% in... Virginia, was it?

It has nothing to do with production of electricity nor blackouts.
And your illegal connections have nothing at all to do with voltage drops in the grid, only voltages drops in the connections in question. It could, in the occasion of a massive short circuit, have the same effect on a transformer station as an overload.

Blackouts occur when the power grid goes down. A heatwave means it can do so because of overload. An overload usually results in some fuse burning in some transformers station. This is easy to remedy as soon as the overload in question is dealt with, something that is redundant, as the overload disappears with the fuse.

This should NOT take a week, but a couple of hours at the most.
The problem in Argentina is political, has nothing to do with the capacity of the grid.
47 yankeeboy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
its going to be 104 in BA today.
No water, no A/c makes jack a very angry boy

I love love love watching the country collapse
48 ElaineB (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
It is true that the vast number of people in the slums (CFK supporters) leaching off the national grid causes problems for the power companies. The government has insisted on allowing this stealing of resources as it benefits their voters.

Some of my BsAs friends have been off-line for a couple of days now. I did get some Christmas greetings but since then the situation has deteriorated significantly.

Stevie Boy thinks it is not a problem. It is.
49 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Elaine
The only issue in that case is that the power companies don't get paid for the electricity produced. It will NEVER cause a blackout, as the electricity is measured and the fuses are dimensioned to cut off in case of overload.

There are two ways for a blackout to continue for many days.
Either there is material damage on the grid, or someone is refusing to change the fuses.

You are talking bullocks...
50 yankeeboy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
Maybe there aren't any fuses. They are forbidden to convert pesos to U$ and to import them.

Anyway I think it is great.
On the same road as Caracas
Both Marxists countries going down in literal flames
It makes me happy
51 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
46 Stevie

“This should NOT take a week, but a couple of hours at the most.
The problem in Argentina is political, has nothing to do with the capacity of the grid.”

So, you are saying there is nothing wrong with the power infrastructure, correct?
Are you saying the reasons are political, meaning that the local authorities are delaying restoration deliberately, to make CFK look bad????

I would have thought if that were the case, she would be screaming accusations by now.

Where do you get this theory from??
52 Britninja (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:09 pm Report abuse
“Where do you get this theory from??”

The same orifice as his other 'nuggets of wisdom'... (*)
53 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:12 pm Report abuse
Oh there are plenty of issues with the grid in Argentina, should it be anything like our own Uruguayan one.
But none of those issues will cause major blackouts because of a heatwave, unless the heat is so intense it actually melts the equipment...
54 ElaineB (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
So a drain on the resources and increased use never causes a blackout? What an interesting theory the K's are peddling.
55 yankeeboy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
All of those free a/c and refrigerators the Ks doled out for votes are coming back to haunt them.
56 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
Steverina “the clit” You talk like you are Uruguayan, what a joke. At any rate........with a population under 3.5 million, that's a drop in the bucket to supply electricity to. We have 20 metropolitan areas with populations larger than that and 5 cities alone. Aside from natural disasters, they supply electricity just fine.

Remember steverina, it's easy to lie when you are as anonymous as you are.
57 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:44 pm Report abuse
Elaine
Overload indeed causes blackouts, but the remedy is to change a fuse. There is no way it could cause a blackout lasting a week, should people do their job.
And if they don't, they should be charged for every death they could have avoided.

And Poppy, there is no difference on USA, Uruguay or the Malvinas regarding power grids, only the amount of electricity produced, parallel transformers for heavy loads and equipment for personal security. The distribution is the same, regardless if your voltage is 110, 230, 400 or 690...
58 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Stevie,
Are you saying the reasons are political, meaning that the local authorities are delaying restoration deliberately, to make CFK look bad????

I thought the power for BA was run by a private company, that's why CFK wanted to 'Nationalise' it??
59 yankeeboy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
Stevie, Who should be prosecuted for the deaths if the equipment the electric companies needs was forbidden to be imported?
60 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
Troy
I'm saying someone is deliberately keeping the grid down.

yanqui
What equipment?
61 yankeeboy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
Maybe its the Americans that are keeping the grid down.
idiot
62 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:16 pm Report abuse
No yanqui, I don't think that you as of today have other influence in SA than drug production in Colombia and tapping phones, don't get ahead of yourself...
Feel free to answer the question. What equipment would that be, that, by Argentine authorities, is forbidden to be imported?

You can't can you, you little charlatan...

;)
63 yankeeboy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
The actions taken by the Argentine Government to reduce imports may affect our ability to purchase significant capital goods.

The Argentine Government has recently adopted some initiatives designed to limit the import of goods in order to prevent further deterioration of the Argentine balance of trade. The restriction of imports may limit our ability to purchase capital goods that are necessary for our operations, which may, in turn, adversely affect our business, financial condition and results of operations.
www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1395213/000129281413000983/edenor20f_2012.htm#page_32
64 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:41 pm Report abuse
And what goods would that be, you little parrotting charlatan?

What did you expect the responsible ones to say??
65 yankeeboy (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
So you are saying Edenor is lying to the SEC and shareholders?
Okay

Have you been standing too close to the burning tires?
66 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:47 pm Report abuse
Lying?
No, I'm saying that they do like you.
Put a lot of words together in order to not say anything at all.
I ask you what equipment the Argentine authorities are prohibitting to import, and your answer is “material goods”. No shit, Sherlock... What goods, yanqui? Is that so hard to answer?
67 golfcronie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:03 pm Report abuse
Does Argentina make transformers?
68 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:07 pm Report abuse
You mean they would be better off should they randomly transform the voltage to something else?

You lot are cracking me up... :)
69 Leiard (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:23 pm Report abuse
Stevie

If the fuses keep blowing because the system is overloaded you have a problem that cannot fixed by just replacing the fuses.
You have a problem in that grid cannot provided the power capacity that is required and therefore needs to be upgraded.
So blaming the problem on someone not changing the fuses is stupid.
70 golfcronie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:31 pm Report abuse
@68
A perfectly reasonable question, Does Argentina make transformers? Surely that is a capital item. @69 well said Sir, It is certainly something more than fuses, it is probably the very poor in the shanty towns just bypassing the system, it is very easy to do. Most Argentinians would not have a problem with that. We in the west think about our fellow men, and generally abide by the law. In Arg no-one bothers to take anyone to court because they know that they cannot get recompence as the poor have no money.
71 ElaineB (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
@70 Exactly. To bring it down to a very basic level, if a fuse blows there is a reason. If you just replace the fuse it will blow again. You need to deal with what is causing the fuse to blow.

The shanty towns are allowed to tap into the grid without ever paying for the electricity and without fear of prosecution. They are protected by the government because they vote for the government.
72 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
Leiard
The capacity and load is measured by the company that distributes the power. They are perfectly aware of their needs and the demands of the grid. The biggest consumer is the industry and any increase in demand doesn't happen overnight, but does follow the development of the nation.
A heatwave is no excuse to have the grid down for a week.
If the problem is insufficient power, it's not something that occured, the power companies KNEW it, and it's more their fault for not having adressed the problem accordingly. You could argue they didn't have the means, but they never issued a warning (that I know of) that the average consumption was reaching te maximum output. Their responsability.

And golfcronie, 100 transformer stations wouldn't help Argentina at this point, simply because those don't produce electricity...
73 Zaphod102 (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:54 pm Report abuse
I don't think power supply systems use fuses, they use circuit breakers. The circuit breaker is designed to trip if the current through them exceeds the capacity of the downstream circuitry.

If the demand exceeds the capacity of the circuit then resetting the circuit breaker will simply cause it to pop again. (so “changing a fuse” will simply not work in thsi situation) There are only 2 methods of restoring power in this situation. 1. Wait for people to turn off enough equipment (and disconnect any illegal drains on the power supply) such that the demand drops below the circuit capacity such that the circuit breaker can be reset, or 2. Invest in more power lines to be able to supply the required demand.

Another possiblity is that you simply don't have enough power to supply the demand. In which case the supply company has 3 options 3. Turn off sections of the circuit to reduce demand on the system - result blackouts, 4. Attempt to provide reduced power - result brownouts, or 5. Invest in more power generation capacity.

I don't know the technicalities of choosing between 3 and 4 but I suspect that when things are really bad, 4 isn't an effective option - it will just mean that nobody has effective power rather than the lucky few.

It seems clear that neither 2 or 5 has occured with the inevitable results that you have 1, 3 and 4 as your only options.
74 golfcronie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
@72
Where did I mention “ transformer stations”, I said does Argentina make “transformers”. I am sure that if a transformer is defective, it would be prudent to replace it, it is probably a capital item which may need to be imported, just saying.
75 Leiard (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
Stevie a recap[ on some of your nonsense.

@24 “The problem in Argentina isn't production of electricity, unless they've had old plants pensioned. The problem is distribution.”

@46 “The problem in Argentina is political, has nothing to do with the capacity of the grid.”

@49 “There are two ways for a blackout to continue for many days.
Either there is material damage on the grid, or someone is refusing to change the fuses. ..... You are talking bullocks...”

@57 “Overload indeed causes blackouts, but the remedy is to change a fuse. There is no way it could cause a blackout lasting a week, should people do their job.
And if they don't, they should be charged for every death they could have avoided.”

@60 “I'm saying someone is deliberately keeping the grid down.”
76 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 06:07 pm Report abuse
Zaphod
A transformer station isn't a power supplier, it's a power distributor (in this case) and the do indeed have fuses, although circuit breakers are common as well. Either way, the system is the same, they are dimensioned to cut off in case of an overload to protect the station. (Hence, golfcronie, there will seldom be a need to replace a transformer as they are protected, unless they blow up, that is...)
When the fuse (or circuit breaker) cuts off, the overload is indeed gone, as no machinery will EVER start automatically when power returns, that's just a safety issue. And light bulbs don't count, they have no influence in the overload, we are after all talking about Terawatts...
The fact that you blame the shanty Towns is ridiculous, as the amount of electricity these places consume, in total, is less than any major factory by itself.
77 golfcronie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 06:35 pm Report abuse
@76
So you are saying that transformers can't be defective? And yes sometimes they do blow up. El Chocon supplies hydroelectric power ( 6 turbines ) to BA by way of two transmission lines and if memory serves me correctly there are 3 booster stations between El Chocon in Neuquen province and BA. Now if one of these booster stations were to have a problem, do you think there could be a dire consequences or not. Maybe problems with the turbines, not off the shelf items.
78 A_Voice (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
Mmmm...I know a bit about power supply....a transformer is more a piece of electrical equipment that transfers energy by inductive coupling between its winding circuits than a machine.
Large transformer are cooled some air cooled, some liquid cooled....they do overheat with load and are only good for 10 to 15 years...increased heat and overload will cause problems...
Machinery in a power circuit will automatically start as the grid is designed to trip...power off...then resumes after a few seconds..if it trips again it resumes after so many minutes..it it trips again it goes off and isolates so many poles and as the circuit is a loop the power continues except where the problem is...
High temperatures will cause problems...different from winter because it occurs during peak overload...when it's hottest so it's occurring during peak consumption...daytime not evening....air conditioners etc....
Also increased temperatures causes increased resistance and thermal expansion puts extra strain on components leading to failure...
That's all I know....
79 golfcronie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 07:18 pm Report abuse
Argentina experienced a record requirement for electricity on the 19th dec 2013, that requirement was for 23,334 MW of which Uruguay supplied some 2% namely 500 Mw after being asked by the Argie government to supply everything that was possible. So it seems they knew they had a problem. So what is the problem, as everyone is saying it is the distribution. I suspect it has more to do with the subsidies and consequently the distribution companies find it impossible to invest. Any thoughts or does anyone know the answer?
80 Monkeymagic (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
At last, a thread on electricity.

Stevie can inform us again of his “mission” to revolutionise Uruguays supply, and lead them into a power revolution.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

That is before, as he informed us, he was going to lead Uruguay with his own brand of politics, that only he understands and no country has ever tried....PMSL....hehehehehehehehehehehe

Thanks for reminding me of your ludicrously arrogant posts from a couple of months ago Stevie....the laughs your ridiculously over inflated opinion of yourself give me is a wonderful Christmas gift.

Stevies lifes work....revolutionise Uruguays energy supply....lead a political reformation unseen anywhere in the world.

progress to date: a second rate university project on wind turbines, severe acne, no girlfriend, and confused and angry by the contempt folk hold him.

But I LOVE Stevie...he is hilarious.
81 Faz (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 08:34 pm Report abuse
I am an electrical engineer and I can assure you Stevie hasnt got a clue. The reason why the supply shuts down is to protect the grid, there just isnt enough power. Plonker!
82 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 08:54 pm Report abuse
I remember that in 2009 Brazil and Paraguay had a worse-than-usual blackout.
A power outage occurred throughout much of Brazil and the entirety of Paraguay, on 10/11/ 2009. The blackout affected 60 million people in Brazil alone.

It began about 10pm on Tuesday the 10th and lasted until about 3am on Wednesday in São Paulo, although power was restored gradually in some places from before midnight.

They said that heavy rains and strong winds caused three transformers on a key high-voltage transmission line to short circuit, cutting the line and automatically causing the complete loss of 14 GW of power and the shutdown of the Itaipu Dam for the first time in its 25-year history.

The power cut affected 18 of the country's 26 states, and brought chaos to cities including São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Belo Horizonte, Campo Grande and Vitória.

More recent major outages across Brasil have usually been attributed by the politicians to 'lightning' blowing transformer and distribution complexes. The scale of these outages is often vast.
83 Stevie (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 09:56 pm Report abuse
Geoff
That is quite possible indeed, but that's because there was a short Circuit and broken lines. That's material damage.
This is a heatwave with a supposed overload.
If the power isn't enough to keep people alive, it must mean that something is using the power, or they are merely not producing enough electricity.
It could also be that somebody is taking their time to fix te fuses (or Circuit breakers). Personally, I don't think they don't produce enough electricity to keep people alive but do so to keep the biggest power consumer, the industry, going. You could argue those have their own generators. Fine, but then, where IS the power going, the one they DO produce?
An overload is NOT a reason to have the power off for a week. A transformer station that goes might be, and most definitively fallen wires. But not an overload. Especially not is it's killing people.

Faz
You are an electrical engineer, are you?
Lets try your skills, just for fun.
Which short Circuit current is the one you dimension the fuse after, to make sure the cable that follows it is secured, as in doesn't melt?
That should be an easy one for an electrical engineer...
As for the rest, read my reply to Geoff.
Shame on you!
84 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 11:35 pm Report abuse
Stevie seems to have a lot of intimate knowledge of the condition of Argentine and BA power systems
85 A_Voice (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 11:54 pm Report abuse
84
....maybe he knows more about power systems than you do about importing a car into Canada from the US......

”You need to find out if it qualifies for importation under Transport Canada’s Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) program. There are no restrictions for vehicle that are 15 years old or older. The RIV program ensures that qualifying vehicles imported into Canada are modified, inspected and certified to meet Canadian safety standards.“
”You will also have to pay any customs duty and other import assessments, including taxes that may apply. You then have 45 days to have the necessary changes made to your vehicle and have it inspected. You are responsible for all costs incurred to modify your vehicle in order for it to meet Transport Canada requirements.”

....or you could buy a car in Canada and save yourself all that trouble.....Doh!
86 Faz (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:08 am Report abuse
Stevie, if you can ask your question in intelligible English I might have some idea what you are talking about. FYI fuses are from the ark, modern electric circuits dont use them. But, if you are in the third world you probably wouldnt know that.
87 A_Voice (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:28 am Report abuse
ho hum.....take a look at that Electric meter in your house....see that big thick black wire...see where it disappears into a box sealed by the Electric company..with little wire seals...from there cable goes to your consumer unit....
...take a wild guess what is inside that sealed box....a clue would be it starts with a F and has four letters and it's cylindrical in shape.....:-)))
I would say a household circuit would be described as a modern electric circuit...two or three ring mains and loop in loop out lighting....etc...
88 redp0ll (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:39 am Report abuse
Uruguay supplies electricity to Argentina
I dont pretend to be an electrical engineer, just the thinking man on the bondi
The policy of selling electricity to Argentina without a quid pro quo is suicidal.
Capatanich the new Argentine czar in a recent press conference refused to acknowlege that Uruguay was supplying any power to Argentina at all, but from what other posters say its 500Mw
This represents the entire production of the hydro dams on the Rio Negro.
The water storage resource for generation on those dams is 135 days.There has been very little rain for the past 90 days to replenish the main reservoir, so we have perhaps enough water in the “battery” for only another 95 days generation at a reduced rate because as the head in the turbines falls less electricity is generated
Are we going to get paid? Hmmmmmm...I wonder.
So the whole of our power is produced from expensive imported oil plus a bit that comes from the timber companys like UPM, the paper mill that Argentina protests so much about.
Electricity prices here are horrendous and due to rise another 7% next month.My basic tariff is $44.50per kW -thats over U$D2.and on top of that there is a 22% IVA (value added tax)
Is Argentina going to get charged IVA too? Ha ha
We have had some outages in cities in the interior. Nothing serious, but the folk affected are not happy campers when they have no power because of electricity being transmitted to Argentina
Uruguay is not self sufficient in power.and at times has to import from Brazil and Argentina.
Well if someone else will let me continue I will develope the argument in a further post.
89 A_Voice (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:44 am Report abuse
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90 Stevie (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:51 am Report abuse
Faz
Ok, you are an electrical engineer of modern installations...

redpoll
You forget the next dry period....
91 redp0ll (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:26 am Report abuse
Thank you Voice.
A year or two ago Uruguay contracted to buy the entire power supply from Paraguay of their share of the Yacareti dam. This would have to come through grid lines of Argentina.The charge was so preposterous that the project had to be abandoned. So much for the free movement of goods and services within the Mercosur!
Last winter Uruguay had to import power from Argentina.Talking off the record to some engineers in UTE, Argentina decided to cut the power to Uruguay giving 21 minutes notice and not only that demanded that the Uruguayan generating capacity of Salto should be diverted to the Argentine grid
Unlike most countries our hydro is base load and you cant fire up a thermal station in 20 minutes to cope with the load
Perhaps one good thing thats come out of Argentina draggingits feet out of spite is our governments decision to go it alone on the regasification plant for LNG.
LNG would certainly be more economic to fire a new power station than the diesel plants in operation at present
Slightly off topic I know but ojala that Uruguay should undertake the dredging of the Canal Martin Garcia on their own and to hell with CARU and CARP
92 Stevie (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:39 am Report abuse
redpoll, I agree Argentina has some issues. But look at the World. How do you expect Uruguay to sign any favourable trade deals without anything to trade with? I understand France in its protectionism. They have no intentions in putting their farmers out of work. I agree with that. I agree with a trade bloc that preserves the right to work. Uruguay needs to produce more and import less. That's why I also agree with the regasificadora. Pepes last year will deal with that, the port, the ferrocarril and the mines, the last ones I fully disagree with. You can't say Pepe didn't do great, should he pull that through...

As for Argentina, we need them. And at times, they need us.
93 redp0ll (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 02:00 am Report abuse
Stevie I was talking about electricity generation. I f you want to divert onto agricultural matters thats up to you.
We do export quite a lot you know.Beef? Rice, Wheat? Soya? Timber products? to name but a few.
94 Condorito (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 02:43 am Report abuse
There are some very amusing comments on this thread, mostly from Stevie, which Leiard summarizes nicely @75.

@Stevie, when was the last time Edenor turned a profit?

Exactly, hence the reason they can't invest in the distribution network. They have to beg for subsidies from the government every quarter just to cover costs. You can't expect aging infrastructure to hold up in the current conditions. It is not a matter of changing fuses.

There is also an issue on the generation side, hence the programmed power cuts.
95 Zaphod102 (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:01 am Report abuse
@76 Stevie,

I never said anything about transformers so why you picked up on that is a bit odd. I know exactly how transformers work and they are a component of the distribution system.

The fact remains that there are two potential causes of power cuts:
1. An overloaded distribution system (i.e. cables, transformers, fuses, circuit breakers, light bulbs), or
2. Insufficient power generation (power stations, energy bought from Uruguay etc.).

You can fix either of these by investment.

As Leiard points out in #75 you appear confused and as well as confirming the possibility of 1 you are suggesting a 3rd possibility involving some sort of conspiracy involving politicians, young castrated cattle and other mysterious unexplained forces. If by this you mean that the people in power have created a system where either 1 or 2 can occur on a regular basis then I think you've finally stumbled on the correct cause of Argentina's problems, albeit by an unusual route. Well done. :-)
96 Anglotino (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:04 am Report abuse
Condorito

They just need to but some fuses it would seem and the whole system will work perfectly.
97 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:41 am Report abuse
Now if only asslips kirchner would allow debate like this, maybe ....just maybe Argentina's problems would be solved.
98 ChrisR (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 10:51 am Report abuse
@ 27 Stevie

You have just demonstrated you know nothing about power generation and distribution.

You are confusing self-protection of the transformers and the downleg distribution with lack of generation and blown fuses FFS!.

The whole thing is woefully underspecified and needs considerable investment in some areas before they DARE turn the power back on (this HAS to be done manually).

Instead of spouting “brotherly love” nonsense and “we” will need them at some fictitious time in the future STFU, you are making yourself look silly as well as the usual hypocrite. Getting through the snow in Sweden are we?
99 Stevie (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 11:16 am Report abuse
You perfect fools...
An overload that lasts a week is NOT an overload, it's a constant load.
If the cause is an increase in demand, it doesn't happen overnight, and they must've veen running near maximum capacity for a while.
If the problem is an overload, how come the power is still off during the night, when consumption is at it lowest?
An overload does NOT harm the power grid and it does NOT take a week to fix.

Regardless what you “modern electrical engineers” have to say...
100 Faz (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:19 pm Report abuse
A-HOLE, you will find a fuse in the plug on your curlers too, but we are talking about the grid. If its been off in RGland in the same area for a week it must be equipment failure, lack of grid resiliance, poor grid planning or gross incompetence....take your pick? In civilised countries when demand cannot be satisfied, power cuts would be rotated and the grids design would allow that. But, if there were lots of illegal hook ups like in the villas that would complicate things. Spanish practices once again.. What a palava!
101 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:27 pm Report abuse
85 ThinkVoice

“....maybe he knows more about power systems than you do about importing a car into Canada from the US......”

I thought u were on 'holidays', or did you get your power back?

Yes, I do know quite a bit about buying and importing cars from the 'States, thanks.
I DO know which cars will be profitable or not, and which ones are eligible.

I am surprised that you went to all that effort to google about importing - all on my behalf. What a pal !

Meanwhile, on topic, does Stevie really know that the Argentinian power grid is in fine shape?
Does he know who exactly is keeping BA in the dark deliberately, and threatening the lives of the poor ?

Could it be BK's delightful Cristina, trying to discredit the private power company, paving the road to 'Nationalisation'?
102 yankeeboy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:41 pm Report abuse
I can't imagine why they would want to nationalize the power companies. They don't have any money, U$Billions need to be spent in upgrades, which the Gov't doesn't have and can't get, plus all of the equipment would be imports so it's a further drain on Reserves. So while all of that is bad the worse part would be the continued outages would all fall on the Gov't.
Macri already said he doesn't want it.
Various outages was one of the main motivations that made me move back to the USA. I couldn't take lights going out, internet out, airlines strikes, road strikes etc etc. All for no reason, light rain, heat, little wind, it was always something and after awhile I just couldn't take it any longer.
BUT I knew a difference I knew blackouts were supposed to be rare not a monthly occurrence. That's the difference when you live in a sh*thole you just don't know any better. You think everyplace is like it is there. You end up expecting things not to work or to be delayed and you happy when they aren't. Totally different way of thinking and another reason why they'll never ever succeed.
I also asked my friends why oh why did Rgs pick Italians or Spanish to do infrastructure. For gosh sakes they have the same problems in EU much less a remote country. Why not pick the USA where we know what we are doing and our lights barely ever go out? He said they don't like the USA and prefer to do business with other latins.
Sheesh
You get what you pay for.
Explains a lot huh?
Day 14, up to 800K users affected.
Continued civil unrest
At least 4 more days of heat
Will this be the spark?
We should know shortly.
103 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
As Yankeeboy says , “ will this be the spark?”

Somehow, I can't see this as deliberate.
The power company is already facing enough animosity, surely they would restore power if they could.
Macri can't be happy to see what is happening to his city and his people. He has refused to take responsibility for the electrical utility, as proposed by CFK.
Do you think he knows what kind of shape it's in, perhaps?

What about Cristina? Could she care so little for Macri's people of BA, that she would prolong their suffering?
Would she want even more unrest when some are already calling for her impeachment ?

Do they need US $ for fuses ?
104 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:59 pm Report abuse
Seems the Minister of Energy has this situation under control as he is out playing gold working on it. And assslips .....asslips comfortably chilling in Calafate.

For those trolls that are ready to pounce on yankee's statement of the US rarely losing power.........don't you morons get your panties twisted over your clit and up your ass and confuse ice storms, hurricanes and tornados.....natural disasters in the same category as general usage. Our grid system needs work also but it is NOWHERE near the decay as in Argentina.
105 ChrisR (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:20 pm Report abuse
@ 99 Stevie

It is you who are mixing terms:

1) Expected (or normal) load: the load that the grid was DESIGNED to carry for most of the time and is typically 50% of the trip loads, it includes periods of normal high loads such as when people go out to make a hot drink in the adverts. The system components operate within their rated values of current and temperature (A & T);

2) Unexpected demand: as it says, loads that would not normally be expected at that time of the 24 hour period. Generators sell electricity at various prices for the time of day. Commercial contracts are usually lower than normal price if the customer accepts disconnection or voltage reduction due to UD. The whole loading is well within the design loading of the system, rated A & T not exceeded;

3) High demand: unusual loading for the time of day. May result in minor A & T rating excesses and will be relatively local to an area. The generator will advise the retail suppliers that if the load continues they may risk disconnection (contractual limits exceeded);

4) Unacceptable demand, large users only: conditions within the users equipment are leading to excessive heating on system components due to phase difference agreements not being adhered to. Real risk of disconnection to protect system integrity. User will need to modify working parameters or use phase control equipment;

5) Excessive demand: this is what is happening in general in The Dark Country at this moment by the look of the problems on the ground. Actual demand is approaching design demand by a large margin and in excess of ED by 50%. Component A & Ts way off specification and the resulting heating of the components is exacerbating the problem.

6) Tripping demand: as 5) but with even more demand: self-disconnection of the system major elements to protect the vital components such as main transformers. Wide area disconnections which the generators dare not reconnect no matter how much the government threatens.
106 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:33 pm Report abuse
Usually some know little bit of everything and some know a lot of a few things. I am amazed by several posters here that know all of everything. Without naming names, those are the ones that ALWAYS comment on every article.......without fail.....be it economics, world trade, national security, USA Constitution, Oil drilling and exploration, world politics and literally.........rocket science.....etc...etc....etc.

At least they have solved the world's woe's, if only they were listened to by those in power.

I really thought that only Argentine's possessed such an ego.
107 yankeeboy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:47 pm Report abuse
Cap, I go by my experiences, I've lived in the same place for 8 years now. We've had hurricanes, ice storms, snow storms, wind storms and not once have my lights even flickered. Not once.
I lived in BA for 5 yrs, I had any number of brownouts and blackouts. All of my electronics were from the USA. Every single one of them was ruined not once but multiple times from brownouts and getting too much electric when it came back on.
I don't know how many U$1000s I had to spend replacing everything.
I used to laugh and call my friends crazy that they unplugged stuff when they went away for a couple days, refrigerators, washing machines, computer etc. Until I learned why they had to do it. They grew up in it.

Can you imagine unplugging your refrigerator and washing machine if you went away for a couple days in the USA? We don;t even turn off a/c! It's a crazy way to live. It's like battered wife syndrome. You just kind of take it and take it no matter how terrible it is because you don't know that life could be better somewhere else.
Crazy.
I am so glad I live in the USA
so glad.
108 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 02:26 pm Report abuse
For the record yankee I was not referring to you. I agree with most of your posts and not with some. Besides, you do not post on every article and seem to “chose your battles” so to speak.

I get a chuckle at those whom are experts in “everything” and usually write a preample in their posts telling us so......lol

At any rate, I seem to be one of the few amateur's here based on posts and I hardly mind saying I am not a rocket scientist, PH.d economist, politician, electrical engineer, constitutional lawyer, national security expert, military strategist (though I must say I possess practical real life experience). Any rate yankee, it was not you and I am very happy to live in the USA as well......debt ridden and all......lol

I am off to take my wife to church.........enjoy the season yankee.
109 yankeeboy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 02:33 pm Report abuse
I didn't think that post was in reference to me. I'm not an expert on anything but what I do for a living. I just observe and see patterns well.

You go to church early I have another hour to get ready! I love this time of year my church is so pretty!

I'll be in your neck of the woods in a couple weeks. I hope the weather cooperates I'm not one to enjoy the cold for too long but I want to check out Boston I've not been there in a long while and I hear the restaurant/nightlife scene is fantastic.
Enjoy the season as well
110 MagnusMaster (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:22 pm Report abuse
@102 “I can't imagine why they would want to nationalize the power companies.”

They are already nationalized in practice, when CFK took the pensions they also put directors in every company the pension funds had shares in, including energy companies. Since then the government is running the energy companies. They are blaming the companies because the people don't read newspapers so they don't know the companies are de facto nationalized but everyone knows it's the government's fault.
Don't worry, soon they will double the rates plus ration fuel and every single imported good until we get enough dollars, if ever.

“Can you imagine unplugging your refrigerator and washing machine if you went away for a couple days in the USA? We don;t even turn off a/c! It's a crazy way to live. It's like battered wife syndrome. You just kind of take it and take it no matter how terrible it is because you don't know that life could be better somewhere else.”

Welcome to the third world. And trust me, we are even lucky to complain about blackouts, some people can't even afford to eat let alone electricity. We know life could be better somewhere else but we also know there isn't room for everyone in the first world. Life is a lottery, some get the jackpot, some get screwed, some get a tiny prize, and if you don't like it, well... “life is unfair, get over it”.
111 redp0ll (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
@90. “you forget the next dry period” Thank you for reinforcing my point so succintly. So we squander our hydraulic resources which we will certainly need next winter to keep the dragon in Buenos Aires from spitting fire at us? Come off it Stevie!
You say the theft of electricity is insignificant but the legal consumer has to pay for it in increased bills
Uruguay has no copper mines but is a major exporter of scrap copper.I think UTE had to replace nearly 100 kilometers of wiring last year. These layabouts not only steal electricity but the copper wiring too.
Even your pinup boy Pepe tried to prohibit copper scrap exports to control the thefts last year. I dont care what your politics are but instead of sniping from Scandahovia, perhaps you should come home and put your pesos worth into helping fix the problems
112 yankeeboy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:31 pm Report abuse
111. He's working on a plan to give everyone free electricity. Give him a couple days though it's not quite done.
Bahahahaa
113 ChrisR (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
@ 108 Captain Poppy

We ALL know who you are on about and I don’t care at all.

I cannot help your lack of drive when you were at school and, because you say you are not 60, YOU must have chosen the military who are not known for educating certain personnel very broadly, if at all.

I on the other hand have ACTUALLY done most of the engineering things here personally or I have been consulted as to how I would do them for large corporations, three of them American. I HAVE been in senior management with the GEC Co. Ltd. and others. At one time I was responsible for 32 brick, tile and concrete products works in the UK.

I was going to join the Royal Electrical Mechanical Engineers (REME) when I first qualified and could have entered as a Second Lieutenant (YES, I know it’s the first rung, but I was only 22 YO) but I met the girl who turned out to be my wife. So, you see, that is why I try to keep reasonably informed to the point where I have signed The Official Secrets Act for my work involving the MoD. I envy your practical experience, whatever it is.

I don’t however enjoy you putting unsubstantiated guesses as to why I left the UK, especially as I have explained the reason on more than one occasion. Is claiming I had to leave and have a criminal record pleasing to you, even though it is lies?

I am also studying Astro-physics at MIT, here is the home page of MITOPENCOURSEWARE:
ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

But I know what really bothers you, don’t I? I have given up believing in the unbelievable and giving money to the kiddie fiddlers. That’s it, isn’t it?

That, as they say, is YOUR problem, not mine.

If you live to be 67 which is my age now you will never be as educated as me and again that’s YOUR problem.

Now you can rant and rave and lie about me, I don’t care but this will be the last time I reply to you, no matter what.
114 redp0ll (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:58 pm Report abuse
Ooops Chris. Astrophysics? Watch out for them black holes! Pozos negros are full of ordure so watch it
115 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 04:38 pm Report abuse
GeoffWard2 (age 67, no criminal record, move countries out of choice),

Somewhat educated, but without language aptitude. Some have it, others don't, but I would trade much of my knowledge for language-ap..
Done Rosetta Stone and classes but memory is my problem. Age?

I would willingly live in Brasil for the rest ... but England's health service is becoming increasingly important - having paid into it for most of a lifetime! Perhaps time to re-pat.
But South America will always be where my heart is.
116 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 05:28 pm Report abuse
Chrissy you did not take redpoll's advise. Your arrogance overwhelms your thought process to think I would waste my efforts on your posts, save for this one response. Come now chrissy, you know I paint broad strokes in all I say as you stated that many times before.
Some people I work with are MIT educated PH.d's and still work there.
Great school for those who can actually attend it. In their words........you should try it.

BTW.....your ramblings senseless rants make my day as I really chuckle.

I really have to ask........no....never mind, I will leave it here. However, if you think you bother me........you could not be farther from reality, in your current assumption of my post. You don't rate as a stone in my shoe. Contain your arrogance, it steals from your brain. As you said of Stevie.......you mom really ruined you.
117 ChrisR (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
@ 114 redp0ll
“Pozos negros are full of ordure so watch it”

Thanks for the advice; I will remember that next time I visit an “event horizon” of my own. :o)
118 redp0ll (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
Well beware of our fellow poster Hiesenberg. He has certain principles that are uncertain!
119 ron_57 (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
....some brits wants to return to their country!... who can survive with a $167 weekly retirement check when the gasoline price is U$S 9.00?
120 Anglotino (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 11:37 pm Report abuse
Probably the same reason you don't live in Argentina Suzie.
121 A_Voice (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 11:57 pm Report abuse
115
Don't head back now....
Oh dear, divine retribution for my sins....
Flooded right now, the Holy Loch has come over it's banks, the rain is torrential, my garden and driveway is under a foot of water. I moved my car to higher ground whilst I still could....the burn can't drain into the Loch and has risen 8 feet...
The only consolation in it all is my neighbour's property is under 3 feet of water and rising...and he's at the pub and doesn't know yet.....we don't get on.....there's always a silver lining...;-))))
122 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:04 am Report abuse
121

Doesn't get on with his neighbour - and wishes him ill.

Now there's a surprise!!
123 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:45 am Report abuse
True colours and all that! LOL
124 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:17 am Report abuse
Look who's talking about true colours... You despise the poor, even though you are a bit further up in the same hole. Siempre cagando pa'bajo...

You know what Anglotino?
I have no problems whatsoever with homosexuals. But you, you have the disadvantage of suffering from the ostrich syndrome and wear your head up your arse just for pleisure...
125 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:21 am Report abuse
Cannot wait for my well earned vacation from the prolific paucity of intellect manifested by monolinguals and anglos in this forum. Excuse the redundancy of that statement.
126 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:27 am Report abuse
125 snotty

Feel free to leave early.

:-)
127 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:03 am Report abuse
Stevie

Another massive FAIL! You stand for nothing. And you are an embarrassment.

Chasing me around this site vainly attacking is only highlighting the paucity of your beliefs and opinions.

You will never be able to back up your statement that I despise the poor. What a stupid thing to say. How could someone even generalise like that is beyond me. Argentina is not poor because they are lazy or lack the ability. They are BECOMING poorer because their system doesn’t work. They vote in politicians that operate under a bankrupt philosophy. Kirchnerism is just the latest variant of economic mismanagement that has taken Argentina from being the economic and social jewel of Latin America to a has-been.

How can countries with similar histories and cultures such as Chile and Colombia be getting it so right. For all their faults, they are at least advancing. For every advancement that Argentina makes it then destroys it. Alleviating poverty is a waste of time when you have 30% inflation. Nurturing manufacturing industry is a waste of time when it is for import substitution; it should be to compete with imports and then export.

Australia being rich is a BYPRODUCT of what makes this country great. The rule of law. Checks and balances. Social inclusion. Economic reform. Taking responsibility for our mistakes and not manufacturing external imaginary enemies.

I despise stupidity. Of which you are one of the main culprits on here, just like Nostrils who is finally pissing off and giving us all a break for 2 weeks. You watch how quickly he races back on here.

The fact that you feel the desire to continually bring up my homosexuality so frequently only shows that you lack the ability to gain traction on any other form of attack. The simple fact that you deliberately misspell my name after a year is proof of how amateur you are at arguing.

I am so under your skin because you are so transparent and morally vacuous.

Bring it on; you’re piss-weak and don’t stand a chance!
128 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:11 am Report abuse
Listen to you, you spoiled little brat.
Who are you to tell an entire nation the definition of wealth?
What makes you think your definition even counts? Stick to, what you assume is, a superior lifestyle, and by all means, keep your head up your arse.
You have travelled, you say... Well, you learnt fuck all.
129 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:59 am Report abuse
Stevie

For Christ's sake lay off the sherry.

Your comebacks are getting weaker and more pathetic as my day (and your night) progresses. Did someone get a divorce for Christmas?

What I have learnt in my life is that pathetic weak-willed individuals, like you, that don't even live by their own creed and beliefs; are a dime a dozen and just as easy to demolish with a well reasoned and thought out argument.

Why am I spoilt? Because I make sacrifices and work for my country while you live half a world away from yours and pontificate from on high. Living a lifestyle that many in your country would aspire to but are unable to especially when following your ideology.

Wealth is more than income. Being rich is more than money. If you actually carefully read before vainly attempting to attack me you would realise that. Wealth is about feeling safe. From crime and from your own government. Wealth is about achieving your aspirations and safeguarding your future. As I said, AUSTRALIA BEING RICH IS A BYPRODUCT from our civil society and government and how they operate.

A superior lifestyle is not having to work if you are a child but being able to go to school. Not having a government lie to you that you are not living in poverty when you can't afford the bare minimum to survive. Not about having your government spend millions on rockets and worthless speeches at the UN on irredentist lies when you don't have running water or sewerage.
130 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:01 am Report abuse
What travel has taught me is there is more than one way to run a country and some methods are more successful than others. Argentina is NOT well run. Argentineans aspire to the same things that Australians aspire to. To earn a living wage. To feel safe in their home. To give their children greater opportunities than they had. And sometimes those aspirations are materialistic but most times they are more basic and close to the heart. Like making sure elderly parents have a comfortable and dignified retirement and not have their savings confiscated by the government nor have them eroded by sky high inflation. Being free to enjoy the fruits of their labour without it being decimated by taxes, inflation or confiscation.

You keep attacking me for the sake of attacking me, not because you offer any alternatives. You just offer platitudes to Argentina. Vacuous sycophantic platitudes that are meaningless.

Not only are you piss-weak, but you keep coming back for more and more and more. Something in your life must be really getting you down for you to keep putting yourself up for this sort of treatment by me again and again.
131 Clyde15 (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 10:31 am Report abuse
#125
We share your sentiments and take an extra few weeks as a present from all here.
I was watching a film about Snow white and the Seven dwarfs last night.
The wicked Queen was consulting the magic mirror....“mirror mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all”. Why did this narcissistic act remind me of you ? By the way she did not get the answer she was expecting !
A piece of medical advice...gratis.
To remove one's head from one's anal orifice a liberal application of petroleum jelly is recommended. This, I have read, is a well known cure for a common Argentine condition.
132 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:49 am Report abuse
“Comeback” and “I best you”...
You see Anglolatino, you argue like a kid and write an essay to put your point across, thinking you are in some kind of competition where you also are the judge.

I'd say I whoop your arse, laughing all the way, but you'd most probably beg for more...

You don't best anybody. You are an upset little brat that, in order to feel good about himself, laughs about other people's misery.
And that doesn't necessarily go for Argentina. A vast majority of the Australian population does not have the means to travel like you flaunt.
You represent no nation, no way of life but your own.
Living in a country that doesn't even let you marry whom you wish, you use it as a foundation to have a go at poor people.
133 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:52 am Report abuse
Hmm.. Dunoon! Bit of a remote spot. Got the ferry there once from Gurock when we missed the Helensburgh one. Had to cycle an additional 50 miles odd all round these lochs past the Atomic submarines. Very rainy grey old place, no wonder that A voice is such a misery.
134 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 12:06 pm Report abuse
Stevie, One of my friends just started dating an former RG commie who's parents also fled to Scandinavia. There must be a whole mess of those people up there.
Funny how none of them returned back to SA when they could.
I wonder why
I think I know
135 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
133
“Got the ferry there once from Gurock when we missed the Helensburgh one. Had to cycle an additional 50 miles odd all round”

Strange....Gourock to Helensburgh by road over the Erskine bridge...3o odd miles.
Dunoon to Helensburgh by road...57 miles.
I take it you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.....
BTW.....perhaps it was rainy and grey...because it was raining, cloudy and grey...Doh!
....First pic...where you got the ferry...Gourock (lowlands)
...Second pic...where you got off the ferry...Dunoon (Highlands)
....Third pic...the road end...the scenery and route you would have enjoyed on your cycle trip...most people would describe the area as dramatic.. picturesque you miserable old fart....
(Hey Clyde there's Beinn Ime in the distance...race you to the top)
thistlegroup.net/holyloch/images/2009_05_02-2948d.JPG
s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/04/91/049147_a0d7b27a.jpg
www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/images/b/b2/Dunoon-rd-end1.jpg
136 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 01:43 pm Report abuse
135. oh for gosh sakes you have proven over and over again you couldn't use a map to find your way out of a cul-de-sac.
137 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 01:46 pm Report abuse
136
....Ranch or Italian Ma'am.....;-))))
Did you get enough Xmas tips for a car yet?
138 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 01:56 pm Report abuse
132 Stevie

“You don't best anybody. You are an upset little brat that, in order to feel good about himself, laughs about other people's misery.”

Give it up, Stevie.
Anglotino gave you a good shellacking, repeatedly.
He answered every one of your accusations and threw them back in your face.
Far from “making fun of poor people”, he condemned the people who prey upon them for gain, and the callous ideologues who support them, like yourself.

You ignore the plight of the Argentinian people and condone the actions of a corrupt regime robbing them blind.
Anglotino was absolutely spot on when he said “Steevie puts ideology before people”.
You yourself, are the most haughty and judgemental poster on MP.

The best you could manage in response were feeble personal insults and bluster that Australia was not perfect and jealous comments about there quality of life.

I can tell you that Australians are well known as world travellers, and furthermore they are well liked wherever they go for their friendliness and lack of pretension.

With their model of government and Rule of Law, they seem to be faring a damn sight better than Argentina - an Argentina with a 'populist' government.
139 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:06 pm Report abuse
#135 Obviously you dont cycle. We were on our way back from Tarbet. Why cycle a shorter route if its so unpleasant, the bridge and that road is bighted with fast traffic? Anyway I had never been through Dunoon. I was interested to see where folk retire to when they have no money. The only impressive thing that day was the Gents toilet on Rothesay.
140 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
139. don't even bother he has no idea what he is talking about. Then he'll claim for 50 posts or so that your don't.
He's a bit of a retard.
141 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
139
You are not making any sense...Tarbet...(Arrochar..Loch Lomond)?
That's just down the road from Helensburgh....
...and...
“The only impressive thing that day was the Gents toilet on Rothesay.”
How the feck could you have done Rothesay on Bute the same day? Where would you get the ferry...how fast do you cycle..are you Bradley Wiggins?
Are you confusing a helicopter with a cycle??
You are making this up....
142 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:22 pm Report abuse
@137. Did you know waiters in good restaurants in the US earn $150,000 per year? You shouldn't use the wages earned as a waiter in Argentina as a reference for your insults because wages are pretty shit there. Argentineans are poor tippers as are Brazilians, you should hear the Chileans complain about them being so cheap.

You know only too well that yankeeboy is not a waiter but what is wrong with being a waiter? It can be a good earner for hard work in the US and is probably why there are so many Argentinean waiters in places like Miami. They are earning a respectable living.
143 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:48 pm Report abuse
Chilenos, Brasileiros, Argentines, Paraguayans, Colombians, Ecuatorianos, Peruvians, Venezolanos, Uruguayans and Bolitas.

All different, all the same.
Some tips good, others can't afford to eat out.

But one thing we do have in common, we don't want the Brits near our homes.

Regardless of what your “friends” say.

You can't divide us, we are all brothers and sisters.
144 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
Ferry from Tarbet to Portavadie, then over to Tignabruich, round the top, over the little ferry to Rothesay. Quick pee in the toilet and ferry to Weyms bay. An easy ride for any decent touring cyclist. Its nothing compared to doing BA to Ushuai. Lazy slobs usually dont know their own back yards.
145 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
142
...how the hell would you know that Yankee is not a waiter?
..and why would you assume he would be earning good money?
Of all the waiters employed in the US what percentage do you think make good money or work in good restaurants?
Most get a crap basic wage because they get tips...
...and why do people usually work as a waiter?
...because they are unskilled and unqualified to do anything else...there are exceptions to the rule....students etc...but the majority....“Would you like your eggs over easy or sunny side up”
Oh yeah...earning a respectable living is a poor excuse for couldn't be arsed at school...
146 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:55 pm Report abuse
#142 Elaine I was always amazed that 10% in Argentina is considered a good tip. As for service.......even in the better restaurants leaves a lot to be desired. In fact.....any kind of service in Argentina is an abstract concept.
147 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:28 pm Report abuse
@143 How would you know? I am pretty sure I spend more time in South AMerica than you do. You may be xenophobic but the majority of South Americans are not.

@145 You miss my point, again. You need to stop using your personal experience as a reference point. Waiting can be a good profession and well paid in good restaurants. Try eating in quality restaurants with good service and you will understand. Sneering at someone working as a waiter for what ever reason is not attractive.

@146 Tipping was effectively suspended after the last crash in Argentina. Restaurants were so grateful for any customers that they did not expect a tip. However, it is more customary to leave some loose change than give a decent tip now. I always tip but many friends from Argentina do not. Chileans tend to tip and they dread Argentinean and Brazilian tourists as they are tight.

As a rule I check the norm for each country I visit and tip accordingly, extra if service has been good.
148 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:29 pm Report abuse
144
Speaking of backyards.....
You are obviously taking about two different days and two different locations...
Tarbet....is on Loch Lomond as the road splits towards Inveraray....Campbeltown..
Tarbert is the one that has the ferry to Portavadie then to Bute...a great cycling route and easily done in a day...how on earth you began at Tarbert...from Oban...Inveraray?...it's way out on a limb.
149 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:30 pm Report abuse
The Argentines I know typically tip about 10%. But again as I said, the service.....any service there is dreadful.
150 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:40 pm Report abuse
143Stevie

“But one thing we do have in common, we don't want the Brits near our homes.

Regardless of what your “friends” say.

You can't divide us, we are all brothers and sisters.”

Thanks, Stevie!

So there you have it. It all boils down to your personal ethnic prejudice, jealousy, and hate.

You couldn't make a decent logical argument - now it's the 'brotherhood myth'.
You treat each other so well.

BTW, just as you said about Anglotino - you don't represent all South Americans, especially as you live in N. Europe.
151 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
People though I was nutty to tip in Argentina but I never had to wait for a drink!
I heard a lot of business have stopped taking credit cards again. Anyone been lately to confirm?
152 ChrisR (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:52 pm Report abuse
@ 143 Stevie
“But one thing we do have in common, we don't want the Brits near our homes.”

Well I am a Brit and I live in Uruguay so that’s alright as you live in? Oh yes: SWEDEN.

Ha, ha, ha.
153 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:55 pm Report abuse
#140 I had noticed that. He indicates that he lives in a part of our country but has very poor knowledge of the area. Just another troll I think trying to confuse and distract us.
154 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:00 pm Report abuse
Yankee some do and some do not. You get a discount to pay in cash and a larger one in U$ dollars........something stevie would not know about because one would have to be in SA to realize that.
Pay in cash and ask for a receipt......they flip out.
Troy I would venture a guess that he represents very little of SA based on the one's I've met when visiting there.....more than he can say. stevie sure loves his anonymity.
155 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
Did I say Brits? I meant English.
“Brit” is just a way to share the responsability...

Chris, problem with you is that nobody wants you, so you'll have to tag along for now...

Elaine
I spend at least 4 months a year in SA or the waters surrounding it, you think you know SA because you visit the place as a tourist, with your nose in the sky.
“Argentines don't tip as Chileans...”

Utter bollocks!

You speak as if everybody down here eats out, or indeed sees tipping as some kind of measured of wealth.
Only for you, yanqui and Anglolatino, for having your heads up... under your arms...
156 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
I spend at least 4 months a year in SA or the waters surrounding it

And you think you know anything about SA?
Puhleeze

Try living in an ALBA country for 5 yrs and you'll understand what most of us are actually taking about.
Gads what gall.
157 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
153
You are the one with the little knowledge and I am the one that has been pointing out your errors......“ I had noticed that.”.......like hell you did...
Even in the previous post @141 I mentioned...”You are not making any sense...Tarbet...(Arrochar..Loch Lomond)?
That's just down the road from Helensburgh....”
...and you still didn't twig.....you are looking at a map and making stuff up....
...try kidding someone that doesn't know the area...it may work better for you...
You Sir are full of shit and I have caught you out....
....So which did you take on your cycle trip from Dunoon to Helensburgh....Hells Glen through Campbell's Kingdom and out at the top of the Rest or the Road end and past Butterbridge....Yeah it's a loaded question and I'm going to catch you out again...;-)
158 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:22 pm Report abuse
@142

Gotcha. I know TWO people that went to Miami just last month.

I can tell you, they did not see ONE Argentine working as a waiter. Not one. In fact even in the “argentine establishments”, they found almost none.

You have been caught in a boldface lie. Shame on you, especially since you are obviously some sort of evangelical missionary, thus you “travel the world, sleeping next to the smelly poor”, as you once stated.

Never met a protestant missionary that wasn't either totally lunatic, or was a soft-racist, regarding those in need of “salvation” as little animals, and their religion as superior because it has an Anglo component.

Ridiculous people lol
159 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:24 pm
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160 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
You had 2 friends that went to Miami and they confirmed there weren't any Rg waiters?
That's a great sampling!
Bahahahaaaa

I went to Iceland and didn't see any either so I guess there are none in the world.
Gads what an idiot.
161 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:28 pm Report abuse
159
That's not true....
He knows all about salad dressings....“Would that be Ranch or Italian Ma'am...?”
162 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
@155 I don't visit as a tourist, I work there and I have lived there. Depending on the work I am commissioned to do I may be based in one place for months at a time or I may be moving around to several locations. I spend on average 7 months of each year in South America. I like it very much and have a considerable network of friends and contacts built over the years.

I don't see tipping as a measure of wealth though some people do. As I said, I tip according to the custom of the country I am in. Argentineans and Brazilians are notorious for being mean about tipping. Surely you are aware of that.
163 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
#157 You are the one full of shit. Its not my locality. We just followed the route I indicated having cycled around Arran, Islay and made a sortie to Jura. I have a nice photo of myself taking a leak in that toilet. You have to pay a premium and you can get postcards. Weyms Bay station was interesting because the Flying Scotsman was in. It was September 2006 and we did the Islay Jazz festival at the time. Had a nice afternoon at the Bunahabin distillery where BBC RADIO 3 transmitted Jazz Line up live in the afternoon. Stramash featured heavily. Check it out you flabby old dummy. Lets check out your credentials, what nationality are you, and where are you located? And, why are you trolling here, and why so aggressive to everyone, have you got mental problems like Nostril?
164 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
#158 Hey tobi.......I met several protestants IN the missionary that was not lunatics, does that count?
165 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
Let me refresh your feeble memory.“ I get get from JFK, IAD or YYZ to northern PA in 3 hours of driving.”
50 posts later with me and Cap making fun of you and you still think you are right.
“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain
166 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
Elaine
English are notorious for being arrogant and invasive.

Go figure.
167 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
162
Well here's a hot tip for you...you snotty little pretentious cow...
You have already paid for the food ....the waiter is paid a basic wage..you are giving money away and pretending to be a Yank......
...what's worse is you sound like a rep......
God save us from salespersons....
168 redp0ll (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
Stevie @121 Holy Loch is a sea loch so how can it come over its banks? Havent heard of a tsunami or a storm surge or even a high tide, so please explain
169 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:36 pm Report abuse
I once ran into two Mormons walking around in the middle of Las Heras, on the dodgier north side of Mendoza, just a block from the square, coming out of the supermarket on the corner. They stopped me and started their proselytizing, and the conversion attempt (well, in my case nothing to convert me from, that was before I converted to TTTism following the death of the legendary and one-and-only TTT).

I of course shocked them when I responded in fluent English. I asked them what they would think if some argies went up to the USA, and started converting blacks and indians into some sort of argentine-suffused religion. They claimed not to understand so I told them from where I stand, all USA religions trace themselves back to a concept now forgotten called “manifest destiny”. A similar concept existed in Argentina in the 19th century, and was the cause of much suffering for many people.

They responded that “something” out there was trying to confuse me, and that I should attend a gathering with them as I have not seen anything until I have seen God. Reminds me of the Anglos here, confronted with the facts all they can respond is “well, you've traveled nowhere, so you can have no opinions”. lol

Both equally flabbergasted when confronted with my noetic prowess.
170 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
167. It's not pretentious to tip you barbarian oaf it is customary and the proper thing to do.
171 Gordo1 (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:44 pm Report abuse
@119 Ron_57 “...some brits wants to return to their country!... who can survive with a $167 weekly retirement check when the gasoline price is U$S 9.00?”

What do “brits” have to do with weekly pension payments of “$167” and “gasoline price” of U$S9.00? US dollars don't circulate in the UK and we don't use “gasoline” nor, indeed, “nafta” - we use petrol. Ignoramus!

What SH12 are you referring to?
172 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
169.They responded that “something” out there was trying to confuse me

Whew those mormons were spot on.
173 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:59 pm
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174 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:08 pm Report abuse
Voice........Elaine seems neither pretentious nor a cow. She's typing so she obviously does not have hooves. BTW voice.......a tip is not for the food and not all restaurants does one tip. Enlighten yourself and google that. I haven't been insulted in some time by you and I so look forward to a fix seeing your post to Elaine.

tobi, rather than coming to the USA and taking care of the USA indians........how about working with anus-lips and taking care of your indians.........BTW........you are one of them no?

Interesting little blurb to accompany Argentina's energy mess.

abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/argentine-leaders-style-fixing-economy-21334170

It's like a vortex that is gathering speed in Argentina.
175 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
Now they feel insulted...

An insult, Poppy, would be to call you anything else than a disgrace.

An insult to humanity.
176 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
Right on cue......Would you like a bone, a bisquit or a pat on the head? I had a boxer and every time I scratched his belly.........his rear leg would jerk........I loved Brutus......but he was not as trained as you.

Of course......as your hole gets deeper.....in SA......your desperation manifests in the typical ways.
177 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
I admit got a bit upset.
You know, killing women and children around the world in order to steal natural resources and then flaunt the cash telling others their countries are too poor to have them going scuba diving in Indonesia, does't go well with my morals.
You have school shootouts, immigration, poverty, ageing infrastructure and not to mention the national debt to deal with, yet here you are pretending to know how Argentina should form its future. Hyocrites.
All of you a bunch of hyporites, electrical engineers of modern installations, travellers of the World of Gulliver and Economists of a failed economy.
178 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:40 pm Report abuse
Wow all in one breathe........lol here's a bone.

NP if I were an exiled ex pat of????? somewhere in SA, can't return to the fatherland to live your convictions, we all see why you would be upset. It's a good thing Sweden is such a humanitarian. BTW stevie......hows that deal working out with what's his name, oh yeah......assange? At least he pretends to live his convictions.

Here's a tip......give stevie a break.....he needs some down time. You and voice get upset at the same times. Go figure........lol
179 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:42 pm Report abuse
Stevie you may want to look at the video of some sort of electrical crap blowing up on TN.COM.AR
Didn't you tell us yesterday that was impossible?
Yeah ya did.
180 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
Elaine, I see that Voice nutcake is having a go. After hearing where he says he lives I can understand his anger at the world. Dunoon is famous for being cut off. Billy Connellys joke was “ First prize is a week in Dunoon.... and the second prize is.... 2 weeks in Dunoon!” Bahahaha. Its more than 30 miles from a Waitrose! And today is absolutely hosing it down....again. Poor old Voice, he is to be pitied. Doesnt appear to be a Scot, no real appreciation of his surroundings. And, he cant be Think, Googled Dunoons Legion closed in 2010.
I always leave a tip for good service, usually 10%, but in the US they seem to expect more. In Argentina around the BA quays service was good and in Cafes everwhere along my route it was OK although my Spanish isnt great. I always left a few coins if appropriate. Whats the norm in Chile, never been before?
181 Briton (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
Insulting people, will not change their mind or way of life , or opinions for that matter,

Don’t get frustrated, its only a blog,

Nothing we say will change anything,

By the way,
Apparently CFK is nationalizing the candle industry,

4 per family in the coming weeks..lol.

New year,,
Same day .lol

.
182 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
170
You would say that...being a waiter.....
168
The Holy Loch floods....a combination of high tide ..wind and torrential rain...like last night. The many burns (streams) from the surrounding hills that empty into the Loch with heavy rain cannot flow as quickly the outlets being covered with the high tide...they back up start to rise and flood all the lower areas and shore....
It's been storming for a week...ferries off and on....
174
Pops she is.....you are not picking up the subtlety of her snobbish remarks...@147
“You need to stop using your personal experience as a reference point.”
“Try eating in quality restaurants with good service and you will understand.”
...No I'm bang on the money.....she is a pretentious snob...and probably a sales rep....at that...
A tip is a gratuity above the cost of the food ergo a gift and a gift should be earned and not a standard for taking your order and carrying your food and clearing it away....they didn't cook the bloody stuff..they just deliver it....
...they expect it for just doing their job....why not give it to the girl on the till at the supermarket...
I'm not upset Pops...do you now think I'm Stevie?
...I'm just saying that if the silly tart thinks she can insult and get away with it...she's wrong...
183 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:50 pm Report abuse
#180 they do expect more here. 15% is the standard then up or down based on the service. I would prefer 10% myself.....lol
184 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
My guess is he loved at the Red Lobster in Williamsport. Oh look some filthy foreigner whom they can barely understand and then leaves no TIP.
Class all the way.
185 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:56 pm Report abuse
A_voice
I'm you now...

I take that as a compliment, you do make me laugh quite often...
186 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
Bahaha...try eating in a quality restaurant in Dunoon, you would have a very hard task. Deep fried Mars Bar anyone? The only comparison you can make is its rather like deepest Patagonia! In Argentina the lights are out, in Dunoon its flooded because its located on the shore of a Loch with a big sponge behind it and its raining with lots more to come.

Perhaps Dunoon should consider twinning with La Plata?
187 Briton (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
Apparently she asked Brazil for some,
But this was refused on the grounds that they will need them during the world cup,
In case of power cuts,

So they say ??
.
188 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
You should try “el Pulgarcito” in Cerro Norte, Montevideo. Remember to bring plenty of tipping coins for the main show, el Gancho,

...

Bring 10'ers...
189 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
Yankee that was some smoke flowing out that access way.....and WTF with the collapsed roof in Belgrano, did the heat get to the roof also?
190 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
180
WTF is Bahahaha....is it laughing or crying..I've noticed there are only a couple of posters that use that....which one are you?..bit of a giveaway...
You are still full of shit...“We just followed the route I indicated having cycled around Arran, Islay and made a sortie to Jura. ”
...and what route to Arran...you would have had to go along the mainland coast to Ardrossan to get a ferry to Arran....
Now show me the post that says I live in Dunoon....
I noticed you avoided telling me your route to Helensburgh and didn't explain your Tarbet...Tarbert gaffe.....Walter....;-)))
184
So which is it...either I've been to Williamsport or not...make your mind up...
191 Briton (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Good news,

Apparently china will supply candles at one dollar each,
Minimum order 20 million,
Money up front,
CFK can sell em at $3 each..
So they say..?
.
192 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:17 pm Report abuse
And the Chinese are buying the candles from here in Massachusetts.......Yankee Candles.....

hehehehe

The downside to this deal.....they can't find matches and they have no fuel for the lighters.
193 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
186
More of your stupid...never been there gaffes...
“in Dunoon its flooded because its located on the shore of a Loch”
so....tell me which Loch Dunoon is situated on?
Unless you call the Firth of Clyde a loch......
How many times do I have to catch you out?
You tell porkies...;-))).....“Bahahaha”...puppet....
194 Briton (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:24 pm Report abuse
Meanwhile,, lolol
Argentina will continue its quiet decline and pose no meaningful threat to UK interests.

So they say..?
matches
can the argies be trusted with matches,
all those fires lol.
195 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
Voice, you revealed where you live, big mistake! Bet you are wishing you didnt. You got the outward route correct, I liked the old puffer. The Clyde or the loch, who cares. Its still a place the people who cant afford to live in Engand inhabit. My pal in Helensburgh is a multi millionaire, he can access Waitrose. You only have shops like Bells - just right for those incontinent pants! Billy got you summed up correctly and you are on the run. Insuting Elaine will only result in tears. Her intelligent contributions make yours look like the gibbering of a nitwit.
196 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
195
Dunoon...show me where I say this.....but I'm fine with that...I do own property not far from it....also on the Isle of Bute, also in two other countries....what is your point?

Bet you wish you never used Bahaha...puppet...very unusual....you appear and disappear....like you have been taken off the shelf...
it's because you have....
your pal ...multi millionaire you appear to think that unusual...meaning you don't have shit...
Why not reveal yourself....
197 Leiard (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:04 pm Report abuse
Outages continue, the protests and the heat wave

www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Continuan-los-cortes-de-luz-las-protestas-y-la-ola-de-calor-20131230-0075.html

Simple poll
Who is to blame for power outages?
The Government, through the lack of an energy policy - 90.2%
of electricity distribution companies - 7.8%
users, the high consumption - 2.0%
198 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
Voice.....living in Europe.....property in Pennsylvania and in Scotland? or is it just Scotland? Are you a Kirchnerite?

You should have purchased real estate in Massachusetts it's always been a good healthy return. Don't believe them calling it taxachusetts......Connecticut is higher.
199 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Hey Pops....what can I say I like places difficult to get to with a great deal of privacy....that part of PA is off the beaten track in the hills ...I like it...not interested in the return..it's not about money...I like the people.
...and no not just Scotland...
200 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
@167 Gosh, that is some inferiority complex you have there. Stop being embarrassed about where you came from and embrace it. Why not visit Argentina some time, it is not all bad. The economy is shit but the people are very friendly and welcome everyone, including the English.

It is traditional for some workers to be tipped, waiters, hairdressers, taxi drivers, bell staff, to name but a few. Their wages are set at a level where it is expected that they will receive additional money in the form of tips according to the traditions of the country. You may not know it but the basic wage of a waiter will be less than kitchen staff because of the expected tips. So, when you are too mean to keep with the custom of the country and tip, you are depriving the waiter of his earned and expected wages.

I have no respect for people too mean to tip. If you can't afford to tip, don't go to a restaurant with waiter service. There are plenty of McDonalds and other fast food places around.
201 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
Voice...properties elsewhere when your home is in Dunoon! Dont make us larf! You have car that you have to move up the hill. You would be living up there if you could actually afford to. Drive flooded...hows your insurance, orcouldnt you afford it. To be as angry and spiteful as you there has to be a reason...you are a miserable old git, living in a place that is a Scottish joke location. Bet the Missus departed years ago. At odds with your neighbours. Bet any kids shun you too. Made redundant by the MOD, that figures, who wants a trouble maker on the books. Legion shut down, unwelcome at the sailing club, barred at the pub for your big mouth...bitterness at your race the English, kept at arms length bythe locals, jealous of fit slim people, inverted snobbery, you do have the lot. Hurts dont it? Piss off.
202 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:51 pm Report abuse
You know Elaine they really do. And the last time I was there in January/February 2013.....I never seen so many Brits in my like. I was starting to feel that I was in England......lol. Though I must admit.......like the ugly Americans....the one's I seen had worse Spanish language than me and I thought that was impossible......lol.
Whenever I an there I was play a game.....which one is the ugly American.......lol

Voice....Lake Champlain.......on the inland sea.........great views......132 miles of lake. The unofficial 6th Great Lake.
203 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:11 pm Report abuse
201
I can see you didn't like being exposed as a puppet...did you...should have watched your words...one slip is all it takes...
...and your make believe cycle trips...pulled up at all the gaffes...
Hurts?...are you kidding me...I enjoyed making a liar of you...
Problem with me is...I am as described.....I don't flaunt my entrepreneurial successes...I don't tell lies and make stuff up, therefore I can never be caught out..
Unlike you...;-))))
BTW it's homes plural...keeping you right!
..and
....“You have car that you have to move up the hill.”
..the hill... is my hill...I like hills....;-)))......don't you have a hill? Would you like to camp on mine?
204 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
I kinda believe poor ol voice, nobody but nobody would claim to own around Willamsport PA
They must've duped you good old timer.
You obviously don't know any better.
205 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:21 pm Report abuse
Seems that stevie must be on break........lol
206 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:22 pm Report abuse
Voice, you have never revealed anything until now. Its you that has been exposed. You can blather all you want, we know now where you are - Joke town Dunoon. What your angle is who knows? One wonders why you are here ecause you obviously have never visited the places under discussion. Possibly funded by Timerman to supplement your £104 pw...?
207 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:23 pm Report abuse
Headline on TN BUENOS AIRES COLLAPSED
Multiple pickets blocking multiple highways
Whole neighborhoods still without electric or water
Soo glad I don't live there any longer
so glad

Where is my spark? Where is my spark? Here spark spark spark!
208 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:29 pm Report abuse
I read that too yankee......even villa 31 people are complaining about the electricity they steal......lol
209 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
206
I don't know how many times I caught you out in your fictitious trips...on this thread...
So that makes you a liar.....
You have caught me out....where?
...should have picked an area I didn't know.....
204
Not sure what you mean by a)...old timer or b) area around Williamsport...
The creek (crick) at the bottom of the yard looks like this.....
pisceandelusions.org/store/images/trout_run_8515_mb_large.jpg
It's in the sticks...what do you expect it to look like...city boy....a block..a street..an apartment..a duplex.....Jeez...surrounded by four State Parks, State Game lands and State forest...not duped at all.....
210 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 09:08 pm Report abuse
Voice, you may know Dunoon, but you dont know the Southern islands or the ferries or Hopscotch tickets or Rothesay. I have cycled most of them. I cant think of anywhere you have caught me out. When you cycle getting on for 100 miles in a day you dont remember every detail. You can check out the dates and events I described, we were at the 2006 Tarbert music festival too on that same trip. Stayed in the hotel with the very last gig. I guess you are a couch potato warrior with the emphasis on flab.
211 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 09:25 pm Report abuse
Voice, I am sure it is lovely its just not anywhere I would dream of having a home.
I don't like trailer parks either.
but to each his own.
212 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 09:43 pm Report abuse
201 captnSilver

I think you nailed it with our curmudgeonly old git, MacAvoice.

Bahahahaha !!

;-)
213 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
Yankee, hes gone down the Argyll or Sinbads. Seedy bars in Dunoon. Or perhaps to recover his jallopy. Trailer would be a step up for him.
214 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 09:51 pm Report abuse
No the only place I know in Scotland is Edinburgh. It is a lovely city but small and I have no reason to ever travel there again.
215 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
Dunoon is a seedy has been Clydeside town, Edinburgh is a lovely cultured place too nice and too expensive for an English outcast like Voice. In Scotland he is probably an outcast too. Thats probably why he is so noxious. The Hebrides are beautiful islands. He has obviously never explored them...prole. I dont think he appreciates the Billy Conelly put down.
216 A_Voice (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 10:12 pm Report abuse
210
Did you not read my post.....I own a property on Bute, do you not realise Rothesay is on Bute....
I am well aware of the the Cal Mac Islands Hopscotch tickets....
I see you are using the correct spelling of Tarbert now that I pointed out your Gaffe...did you stay in the Tarbert hotel...I know the MacArthurs that own it very well thank you....
I don't have flab old man...all you do is Google and still get it wrong...
I know the pilot of the short Bute Ferry very well ...his claim when he took the job on was I can do the crossing in one minute 90 seconds....he noticeably avoided saying two minutes 30 seconds because it sounded less.
You are just a dreamer....and can't prove otherwise...
Where did you say you live....oh you didn't....I know...on the shelf with the other puppets....
come on...who are you really?...do tell...
Still Googling I see....you haven't got a clue...the Argyll is a hotel...Best Western..not a pub and not seedy.....if you are going to Google get it right...
Soon be time for you to go back on the shelf.....
217 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 10:38 pm Report abuse
Bahahaha..got you rattled. Crumby hotel at Tarbert. Dont know how to spell every Scottish name and dont really care. You have been outed. Time for more enquiries to my pals in the area. Shouldnt be too hard...

Flabby old git
Nasty temper, bad reputation
Lives in Dunoon near a burn
Poor knowledge of the area...
Serial fibber..
218 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 10:58 pm Report abuse
Scotland is a province of England, nothing noteworthy except Speyside.

They could become glorious again and do their ancestors (who spilled blood and died for freedom) a service in September. The fact that they may not shows how well the English have destroyed their identity and how feckless their spirit has become.
219 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:01 pm Report abuse
Toby, you are on holiday. Tell us, when was Scotland glorious? Have you been watching Braveheart, its mostly fiction.
220 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:14 pm Report abuse
When you are FREE, you are glorious.

The fact you are denying people died to be free in your land is quite honestly sickening.
221 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
Having soportado the English for so many centuries, can't be classified as anything but glorious.
And people say we have difficult neighbours...
222 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:31 pm Report abuse
Scotland is free just like England?
223 Clyde15 (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
#217
Far be it for me to defend A_Voice but he does know the Clyde area.
The weather in this region has been atrocious for the past week. Screaming gales and torrential rain. I don't know where he lives as he refuses to say but the Holy Loch can be badly affected when there is a high tide, severe SW gales and continual torrential rain The river Eachaig feeds into the Loch from Loch Eck which is a large deep freshwater loch which itself is filled by numerous burns coming down 1600 feet hills. In certain conditions the wind and tides bottle up the water in the Holy Loch at one end and the fresh water cannot flow out at the other end. The result is flooding in the land next to sea level.
Locally, in Ayr, the river Ayr is about as high as I have seen it in 43 years. Crossing the Auld Brig-600 years old - I was praising the builders who built it and generations who kept it in good repair.
No scientific calculations in those days. Lets make a bridge that is over strong for any eventualities and will stay up.
I suggest you and Voice meet and resolve your differences with Finnan Haddies at dawn at a mutually agreed venue.
And a happy new year to all our readers !
224 ElaineB (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:43 pm Report abuse
The screaming gales and torrential rain has affected the whole of the UK. Just sayin'.

Scotland ASKED to join the UK in return for England paying off their debts. You need to study history a little more. And if Scotland wants to be free of 'English' subsidies no one is going to stand in their way, least of all the English. As it stands about 25% of Scots are in favour of independence which says a lot.
225 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:56 pm Report abuse
Clyde, Voice has been a noxious troll here for a long time bad mouthing everybody. His last suggestion to meet someone involved him threatening violence. Now he has been outed, and we now know where he lives.... He will be identified. He is not Think, but just like him in many ways. He is free to behave in a civilised manner. No-one likes trolls...
226 ElaineB (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:11 am Report abuse
@167. You see the word 'commission' and associate it with a salesperson? The word has other meanings if you care to look it up. I don't sell anything.
227 A_Voice (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:23 am Report abuse
225
....just another bum that likes to call names but daren't back it up..if you are so interested drop by for a coffee...I'm always available....
Yawn...keyboard warriors are so boring....same ole same ole...big talk...lots of make believe....always fannies....
are you a man or a mouse...lattes or cheese....eek..eek...is my guess...
....we all know you won't because it is you that is the troll and a puppet as well...now which one are you....a bit of crossing referencing and elimination is in order I think....
Where did you say you were from again..or reside....Oh you didn't..did you...;-))))
What does Bahahaha mean again is it laughing or crying...is it a Yankee or Canadian expression?

Spot on Mr.Clyde that is exactly what happens to the Holy Loch you put it better than I could myself....
228 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 01:55 am Report abuse
“Bah- ha ha ha”

English. Sid James, to be precise.
229 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 07:19 am Report abuse
Troy, spot on. Bahahaha
230 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 10:17 am Report abuse
At the same time, concessionary companies Edenor and Edesur say the amount of power is sufficient, but the interconnection system is old and obsolete. The state (Ente Nacional de Regulación Eléctrica) has not maintained or invested in it in the last 20 years, which means that high consumption may cause overload on wires, which explode and cut the supply.
With fixes that are temporary and partial, everything becomes damaged again.

In summary, citizens lit the fire in Argentina that has caused the climate today.
The problem is our traditional “lack of inherent wisdom” to foresee that we were standing above the fire and therefore, set our own trap in this inferno.

voxxi.com/2013/12/30/heat-wave-argentina-protests/
231 Clyde15 (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 11:23 am Report abuse
#224
A simplistic English view of things !
In clarification, Scotland did NOT “ask England to join the UK”.....YOU need to study history. The population of Scotland had no say in the matter. Universal franchise did not exist then in either country. Check on these sources.
rampantscotland.com/know/blknow_union.htm
www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/acts_of_union_01.shtml#three.

The Convention of Royal Burghs also petitioned against the Union and not one petition in favour of an incorporating union was received by the Scottish Parliament. On the day the treaty was signed, the carilloner in St Giles Cathedral, Edinburgh, rang the bells in the tune Why should I be so sad on my wedding day? There were also massive protests in Edinburgh and several other Scottish burghs on the day it was passed by Parliament as threats of widespread civil unrest resulted in Parliament imposing martial law.
Hardly a groundswell of popular approval for the Union !!
232 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 11:26 am Report abuse
Link for Voice... Pissing on your island! Whose the liar now?

i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag462/captainsilver2/Rothesay_zps66e5f1e1.jpg
233 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 11:42 am Report abuse
231. Silly man applying 2010 standards to the 1700s. Those kind of ideals didn't come about until AFTER the little mishap the UK had to the East with the Americans.
Context is important in history.
234 ElaineB (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
@231 Yes, I was offering a simplistic view but when you boil down the facts it still come to the same result. Scotland joined the union and England paid off its considerable debts, it was a willing union.

You didn't comment on the fact that a mere 25% of Scots want independence now. See, we all like to complain about some other country but the truth is Scots benefit more from being part of the union. It is like people whining about the person they are married to but never divorcing.
235 Clyde15 (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:28 pm Report abuse
#233
Did you actually read my post at 231 ?
Do you understand the English language ? Your muddled reply would indicate NOT !
Elaine said at #224 Scotland ASKED to join the UK in return for England paying off their debts,

My reply was rebutting this statement quoting a couple of sources.
I neither said nor inferred ANYTHING about the current debate on Scottish independence.
How could the Union in 1707 have anything to do with your declaration of independence in 1775 ?
Applying 21st century standards to 18th century events. What has this got to do with anything I wrote. Please explain this IN THE CONTEXT OF MY POST !!!
You have sailed off at a tangent by not reading my post CAREFULLY
236 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
Yeah I read your post, don't get your panties in a wad, my problems with your post were:
Hardly a groundswell of popular approval for the Union
and
The population of Scotland had no say in the matter.

Those 2 sentences make your post OUT OF CONTEXT with the 1700s.
If you don't understand why I can't help you.

Next time think before you write and don't get so bent out of shape when someone points out how ridiculous you sound.
237 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:37 pm Report abuse
Yankee our rulers were both myopic and arrogant back in those days. Things really changed with Atlees government immediately after WWII, that was when people power really asserted itself and the Downton Abbey lot faded away. Its odd that people in the US and SA still see the British as haughty and arrogant. 99% of Britons arent like that. Colonialism ceased in the 50s and 60s and as Elaine says the English are fairly indifferent about total Scottish Independence. The only thing that concerns everyone, including the Scots, is disentangling ourselves from each other. Just like in Scotland there are English folk that see Scottish Independence as an opportunity to get rid of the Scottish MPs in Parliament and thus get more sensible market economy policies. Scotland is very left wing generally. A lot of my friends in Scotland say they would leave to live in England if Independence happens. They fear a Peronist type of state where everything gets nationalised becoming inefficient and ruled by dogma. Anyway its up to the people living in Scotland themselves to decide...
238 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:50 pm Report abuse
An Independent Scotland would be a disaster on many levels.

Also I don't think you are correct in thinking US citizens see Brits as haughty and arrogant. For awhile most of my friends would go party in London on long weekends. It is a quicker and easier flight than to LA or SF and in my opinion a lot more fun. Of course that was a few years ago when my gang actually partied! We are now more interested in dining and turning in early! We also tend to gravitate to warmer climates now too. Surprise surprise.
239 Conqueror (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:55 pm Report abuse
@22 Perhaps you could explain how Anglotino's comments from Australia and Captain Poppy's from the United States are “rubbish british comments”? Still, it's nice to see that you are so terrified of US Brits that you have to blame us for everything. Or perhaps Australians and REAL Americans can't be mentioned because it would fault the argie claim that the whole world is on its side. NOT!
@24 Lookee, lookee, the brainless wanker's back!
@27 Stevie, the multilingual, Brazilian/Uruguayan/ argie sycophant electrical engineer. Or “the fart” for short!
@28 You could improve your credibility by becoming “Heinz 57”. “Beanz are fartz”!
@31 Argie staple fare. Shit gobstoppers!
@36 Amazing news, Stevie! Can you prove you have “parents”? Are you a new breed? I've seen no previous suggestion that bacteria have “parents”!
@42 Well done, Stevie girl, took you nearly 3 hours to come up with that gem. All those compatriots to consult, all that research in just 3 hours!
@49 Occam's Razor!
@57 You know how a “body” can bridge an electrical gap? Wouldn't your dick be about the right size? Hang on, do you have a dick? Or is it a plastic, vibrating imitation?
@62 You've forgotten the British SAS sneaking in and connecting up a battery charger.
@86 You have to remember that Stevie's “electrical systems” probably date from the 19th century. Remember who constructed latam's railways? It would be a European nation. Not as though latam would “modernise” anything. who would care if the peasants die?
@87 Ho hum. Very clever. Very erudite. Do you understand the concept of “modern electrical circuits”? And the link between a modern electrical circuit and an aged electrical supply cable would be.....?
@92 Small point. If Uruguay NEEDS argieland, it is at a real low. A bit like a “natural” gas supplier needing a huge pile of horseshit!
240 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
“ Its odd that people in the US and SA still see the British as haughty and arrogant.”

Cap't just one minor adjustment, let's add.....most, many...majority for USA citizens as opposed to all, then I can agree. I think it is because the English.....at least the one's I met and fairly well mannered and it may make some the the cowboyish, blunt Americans feel that way. And, you probably know that the vast majority of Americans are seriously enthralled with English royalty. While the current administration may or may not seem to be, but the country sees England as it's only partner in the world next to Canada.

BTW.......the photo had me cracking up.
241 LEPRecon (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 01:23 pm Report abuse
@231 Clyde 15

You say “The population of Scotland had no say in the matter.” regarding the Union.

I would also like to add that the populations of England and Wales also had no say in the matter either.

That isn't how things worked back then, is it? The ruling classes made all of the decisions, and the ruling classes in Scotland decided that union with England was as way to prevent Scotland (and by extension themselves) from becoming bankrupt. The Union saved Scotland, and you would be naive to belive otherwise.

In fact, Scotland gained far more from the Union than either England or Wales did, and Scotland has been a good partner in the Union, but it is an unequal partnership. Scotland has far more independance, gets more money and benefits than the English, Welsh or Irish do. Yet all the Scottish appear to do is complain about how 'unfair' everything is.

The majority of people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland would vote to give Scotland its independance right now, as they are fed up with the Scottish apparently playing the 'victim' all of the time, when they are, infact, the greatest beneficiaries of the Union.

I myself, believe in the Union, but if Scotland wants to go it alone, then so be it. But if it does happen, then Scotland will truly be alone, the rest of the UK won't be bailing you out a 2nd time. After all, this time the PEOPLE will have a say in the matter, won't they?

However, we digress from the thread, which is Argentina not having much luck right know, especially with power etc... and with increasing civil unrest.
242 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
232 CaptainSilver

Great photo you posted !

youtu.be/Aj7D65SFOhM
243 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 02:19 pm Report abuse
Troy, Captain Poppy, thats in response to Voices claim that I have been lying about my cycle trip through his home town. That toilet at Rothesay is famous, it has won national awards. Its a very fancy marbled Victorian creation. A lady sits in a little booth or something collecting money and selling postcards. My pal and I had cycled the Southern Hebrides islands staying a few days on Islay at the Jazz festival. We diverted via Voices town because we missed a ferry. Of course he refuses to believe that because he is obviously an indolent (probably overweight) motorist that can hardly walk up the high street. I started cycle touring when I retired and now in my 70s I think it makes you at least 10 years younger than you actually are. I have plenty more photos in that set to embarass Voice who doesnt know his own area very well.
244 Heisenbergcontext (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Forgive me for digressing further but, the fireworks having subsided, I can now take the opportunity to wish everyone who reads this a Happy New Year.

May the Schwartz be with you.
245 Joe Bloggs (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 02:27 pm Report abuse
It's funny watching this unfold again. He'll go on for months defending his position and denying that it's him. He's using the same technique as last time; the closer they get to unveiling the truth the harder he attacks. Quite entertaining to watch.

Credibility check anyone?

Chuckle chuckle.
246 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
I Think he has nipped off to Lidl to get a cheap bottle of Cava for tonight. NY is not much fun on £104 a week..
247 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
Didn't Schwartz get fired yesterday? Oops....my bad that was the Detroit Lions Schwartz
248 A_Voice (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 03:10 pm Report abuse
232
Hahahahaha.....PMSL at the photo.....
I hope that's a photo you lifted from Cycling Aspirations Monthly...where people blog about tours they have done....
Surely that's a woman pretending to take a pee.....look at how short the body is with tiny puny shoulders and arms...either that or a freakish Egg on legs....
Humpty friggin Dumpty...;-))))
Oh dear oh dear...egg on legs...I like it....
Now stop messing about and put Troy back on...I think you have developed this character enough....and sit yourself back on the shelf...

......the Laird O' the Loch......;-)))
249 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 03:13 pm Report abuse
NY? He claims Trout Run PA as one of his many vacation homes. Where the avg $/sqft is U$97 for lakefront property.

sounds like a place where most people have nits.

I gotta believe him because nobody would brag about owning in that area
Nobody.
250 A_Voice (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 03:32 pm Report abuse
249
I'm not following.....that's about right....2500 sq feet times 97 dollars a square foot...what did you want me to pay for a holiday cabin as I call it ...that sits in the hills in rural PA.
Fishing, hunting and ski trails on the doorstep...what else do I need?
....tell me..do you have a holiday home in Europe that you use whenever you are in the mood?
Tell me about Edinburgh...how did you get there..where did you go, what did you see, where did you stay....give us a few details....
Let me guess....you were a kid and went with daddy and don't remember much...;-)))
251 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 03:42 pm Report abuse
Bahaha, hes back from Lidl! Http://youtu.be/Aj7D65SFOhM

More Dunoon entertainment.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ruwmeWFqyc

Pissing on Bute

You mean Crazyguyonabike.... yes I am on there. See if you can spot me.
252 Stevie (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 04:15 pm Report abuse
A_voice
I got it now. This lot are the outcasts of their respective societies.
Their pin s that they can't afford what the average Citizen can in their countries.
With their World view, this is a major flaw, hence they come here thinking they can act rich...

Poor deluded fools... in so many levels...
253 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 04:30 pm Report abuse
Try Vermont voice for skiing.....while I really can't ski anymore, Stowe and Killington is some of the best East Coast skiing in the USA. Wildcat in Maine if your an adrenaline junkie, just across from Mt. Washington......some great winter climbing/hiking.
254 A_Voice (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
252
That's about right Stevie....it would be easy for me to exaggerate...pick a deemed affluent area and pretend I paid a million dollars for something...
I just tell it like it is...stick to the truth and try not to delude myself or others...
I can be mistaken, but never caught out in a lie... unlike these embittered dreamers....
...but not all of them, there are some real people...
253
Thanks for the info Pops but I'm not a great skier....I only mentioned it because it's there, though mainly cross country ski trails...nothing dramatic, but winter climbing/hiking...I'm keen...
255 Clyde15 (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 04:52 pm Report abuse
Lets backtrack to the original posts and read what was actually said !
Elaine said
Scotland ASKED to join the UK in return for England paying off their debts
I pointed out that it was a decision by the Scottish parliament - not the people and I also said universal franchise did not exist then in EITHER country which meant ALSO that the population of England and Wales had NO say in the matter.
If she had said the Scottish Parliament instead of Scotland then I would have agreed.
You can take what you will from the other two links I gave.
I also gave you a piece about what the feeling among the Scottish population was AT THAT TIME- they felt they had been sold out by their own Parliament.
Yankee, you still don't understand I AM TALKING IN THE CONTEXT OF THE 1700's!!!

Hardly a groundswell of popular approval for the Union -IN 1707
and
The population of Scotland had no say in the matter. - again IN 1707
You say:-
Those 2 sentences make your post OUT OF CONTEXT with the 1700's
I think American English and the language I speak must mean something different if you cannot understand what I said.

Anyway, it has given the anti-Scots a chance to get their posts in to remind us up here at how lucky we are to have such a benevolent partner who gives us freely of the country's riches when we are totally undeserving of their altruism. Thank you massa and goodnight !
256 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
The next time you're in the US try the Presidential range in NH. Mt Washington is great. Everyone always goes for Tuckerman's Revine, but Huntington's Revine is a challenge..........kind of a K2 versus Everest comparison on the massive smaller scale. But who can afford those climbs these days with the rates as they are.
Mitchell in NC is another for East Coast anyway.
257 A_Voice (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 05:59 pm Report abuse
256
I'll bear that in mind Pops...as the next time I'm there I'm buying a vehicle..a pick up truck 4x4 or whatever they call it. Being 3 hours from an international airport I always have to hire a 4x4 vehicle for a couple of weeks...expensive...
Then I'll do a bit more exploring New England's a priority....
Well it's Hogmanay...and folk are already celebrating...I'd better get my skates on and get out there...
I will just remind all those people out there that think the Scots have no identity....and no influence on the world.
When it comes to midnight and you all join hands and start to sing.....

Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
and old lang syne
CHORUS:
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we'll take a cup of kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=acxnmaVTlZA

Remember where the song came from....;-)))))
...slàinte mhath
258 Stevie (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 06:05 pm Report abuse
I'ma buy yanqui's house and use his pool as a toilet. 2 years wages should cover it cash...
259 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 06:06 pm Report abuse
But Voice, you said “I am always here” , that was another slip up. You cant be in Dunoon and PA simultaneously. Are you fibbing again?
You are right about one thing, I was a bit of a porker back in 2006, that was my first bike tour and we were only carrying panniers, no camping gear. 40 lbs lighter now. See you off any day.

You should be afraid, Conquerer knows where you are now, if you are actually in the Holy Loch area you will be easy to track down. I think your neighbour will have great pleasure in grassing you up when he sees what you posted. http://http//youtu.be/Aj7D65SFOhM
260 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Stevie....Two years of my wage will buy you a decent house......but not near me......lol
261 Stevie (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
I was thinking 2 years of my own wages, Poppy.
To buy yours and your neighbours... For privacy, you know...
262 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 06:28 pm Report abuse
If you want to buy into mine you will need to be voted in......good luck.
263 A_Voice (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 06:31 pm Report abuse
259
Bloody hell Troy are you still here..get out and get a life...I'm trying to get changed..
I said, “always available”... not here...read again....
Hahaha...it's the English and wannabes that should be afraid....Have you met me...;-)))
Please lord save me from Geriatric keyboard warriors.....
Time and place ...time and place...anyone....;-)))
...egg on legs....eat you for breakfast....get it..get it....oh dear..
..Once a porker always a porker...bit difficult to see your pork I guess....no shame... to show a photo like that....and you had the cheek to talk about flab...
BTW your links don't work
...now how can I put this....oh yeah...piss off and stop trolling.....
264 Stevie (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 06:47 pm Report abuse
Poppy
The vote is the cheapest part of the house...
265 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 07:05 pm Report abuse
If you think so......lol ok....sure it is. Somehow I believe that is the case where you reside.
266 Stevie (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
Poppy, your grandmothers comes with a pricetag, whom are you trying to fool...?
267 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
Whatever that means.....sure okay if you say so.
268 CaptainSilver (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 07:36 pm Report abuse
Thats rich isnt it? One of Mercopress's most poisonous trolls getting ratty because he is getting dished out for once with the same sort of objectionable nonsense that he has been dishing out to legitimate posters for months. Now cosying up to the US posters pretending he has a US bolt bolt hole when he is living in Scotlands equivalent of Margate!
Not only that, where he lives he can easily access the highlands with walking skiing and langlaufing right on the doorstep.
Pull the other one Voice. :-)))
My guess is that his kid has moved to PA to get as far away as possible...
269 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
Yeah why go from a remote hilly poor area to vacation in a remote hilly poor area.
Have a great new year everyone!
270 ElaineB (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
@255 That is a fair point. Scottish Parliament.
271 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 04:18 am Report abuse
So... ruminating in my mind:

Will the UK still exist by the end of THIS year?

Will Spain exist?

Will the USA food belt become a toxic wasteland by the end of the year thanks to oil fracking, and have to beg Argentina for food?

news.yahoo.com/railcars-north-dakota-crude-train-crash-older-less-012822688--sector.html

Will they average more than 5 mass shootings per month as they did in 2013?

Will France collapse economically?

Will Germany see a flair-up in riots due to rampant underemployment?

Will Italy still have the Euro?

Will Chile get out of the first round of the World Cup?

Will England play four games in Brazil?

It will be an interesting year... and another great year for booming Mendoza.

2014.
272 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 06:26 am Report abuse
268 CaptSilver

“Cozy ing up to the US posters... ”

Not really - he did to them what he is doing to you about Dunoon etc.

He stupidly claimed he could get to his “property” in 3 hrs from 3 different airports - and got cut to ribbons.

- Claimed to get through urban traffic congestion and average 75 mph along PA backroads,
- Claimed to fly into Toronto and cross the border at Niagara Fslls, without taking into account traffic congestion en route to the border and the hour + wait at the border - then changed his story.
- would have to rent a car each time, cross a border with it, and then he would be required to keep it and return it to its point of origin and country of origin :-)
- now he says that would be too expensive for him and he would buy a 4x4 pickup truck to run from the airport and back !!
How much would that cost to leave at an airport parking lot until the next visit LOL!!
Not to mention that cars frequently go missing or get stripped, at US and Canadian long-term lots!

He hasn't a clue :-D
273 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 09:46 am Report abuse
“Hasnt a clue” Troy, I'd agree with that. Perhaps he should nip over to Lancaster county for reorientation :-) I drove across PA a few years ago, pretty grim in most parts. Not a location for a vacation spot. But perhaps if your main home is in a joke town....?
274 ElaineB (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 11:04 am Report abuse
Mercopress needs to post some new stories!!!! :)
275 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 11:12 am Report abuse
Elaine, perhaps no news is good news? :-) Happy New Year...
276 ElaineB (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 11:53 am Report abuse
LOL! Indeed. These threads seem to dissolve into nitpicking when there are no new subjects to debate.

There are other publications and, sadly, there is not a lot of good news coming out of Argentina.

Happy New Year to one and all!
277 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 12:29 pm Report abuse
Cheers, Elaine.
278 cornelius (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 02:00 pm Report abuse
Typical of socialist corrupted philosophy blame the private sector.
The socialist dismantle the private industries they are the evil the ones that produce inequality this in turn appeal to the young people, who are mostly ignorant and by manipulating the vote of the ignoramus they keep the corrupt left in power.
If they do not go back to a totalitarian government Argentina will never get out of this down spiral.
Know they do have a totalitarian left in charge.
Chile was an example of how you need to eliminate the left.
279 Stevie (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
And you are an example of a proper fascist.
Great news you lot have 15 years left of life on average...
280 ElaineB (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 02:21 pm Report abuse
@279 “Great news you lot have 15 years left of life on average...” Interesting remark. Care to explain what it means?
281 Stevie (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 02:23 pm Report abuse
You are, in general, old, milady...
282 ElaineB (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 02:38 pm Report abuse
@281. LOL! Am I? News to me. And how long do you think you have to live? Just curious.
283 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
Stevie, if we know how old we are and we have about 15 years or so of life left, its not news is it. And if you think it is good news who is it good news for?
284 cornelius (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
Stevie you are young and ignorant and probably on public assistance.
285 ChrisR (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
Using data from my family tree and incorporating the modern trends into the appropriate statistical equation suggests that I will live to 78 (ish) with a sigma (σ) of 3.2 (ish).

So for a reasonable confidence of 6σ centred on the mean suggests anywhere from 69 (ish) to 87 (ish).

So Stevie 2 years to 20 years.

Or tomorrow.

Never forget that none of us knows what will happen tomorrow, so for all you posters of whatever nationality and age think on that, especially the “young” ones.

I wonder how many will really understand this.

The (ish) is just a way of showing that the sample is substantial it is less than 1,000 and it assumes that the females were truthful about their age. :o)
286 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 03:49 pm Report abuse
279 Stevie

“And you are an example of a proper fascist”

Stevie,
By no stretch of the imagination is your government (Argentine), “by the people, FOR the people”, now is it??

Wait a moment... be truthful.
287 Stevie (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
Tic tac, tic tac, tic tac...

Is that why you lot are so upset?
According to yourselves, you travel the world and are financially superior than most South Americans for the simple reason that your respective nations are so far ahead than ours in every aspect. Again, according to you lot.

That makes me wonder, especially after handling eachother a “saludable ano nuevo”... Why ARE you so butthurt???
288 ElaineB (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 05:41 pm Report abuse
@287 Hang on, who says that? I travel for my work and I have money because I earn it. It has nothing to do with where I come from but my own hard work and application of my abilities. So, why the inferiority complex?
289 Stevie (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 05:45 pm Report abuse
Me?
I earn your wages asleep at the control room, milady...
With all respect.
290 CaptainSilver (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 06:59 pm Report abuse
CorneD beef plant control room?
291 Stevie (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 07:03 pm Report abuse
We got an addict...

I wonder what the Argentines put in that crap, you guys are still talking about it 70 years on...
292 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
Stevie

Avoidance again?
Can't answer my question honestly @286, can you??

”By no stretch of the imagination is your government (Argentine), “by the people, FOR the people”, now is it??”

Never mind, we both know it is only rhetorical :-)

@287
“Butt hurt”???

Weird that you use that term so frequently.
Recurring theme? An odd fascination you have, there.

You seem very immature for a 'noble' Tupa veteran like Pepe.
Just a fantasy life though, right?
Right? C'mon, admit it...

Nah, don't bother, we know.

Butthurt?
Since you ask, no.
That's really a projection of your own inferiority complex.

How is your “Madonna”, doing, the saviour of Argentina??
293 Stevie (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 04:54 am Report abuse
Well Troy... How shall I put it...
It's not me being immature. It's you lot being... rotten....
294 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 10:11 am Report abuse
Troy it's almost a waste of energy with this kid. No matter what.....time is running out for them in SA.

Happy New Year Troy........we are starting ours with an expected .4 meter of snow storm today.......gotta love New England.
295 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 01:54 pm Report abuse
Captain,

So much for the 'noble' Tupamaro' veteran, Stevie!

At least the “Guzz/Stevie” troll has imploded over the past few days and shown his true racist and bigotted self !

His “SA is for Hispanics only” rant and his “English hatred” posts have pretty much knocked him off his self-righteous perch, not to mention the blatant hypocrisy of his Anarchist 'moralising'.

Notice too, that he took great glee in describing a US operative prisoner peeing himself in fear as he was being tortured to death by the Tupas heroes.

No credibility left for this Troll. Just a real asshole.

I just got home last night from the Toronto area where we spent Christmas.
The ice storm caused many blackouts and a State of Emergency should have been called.
We were generally ok, though.
I hope things let up for you down there. I think you got it worse than us in places.
Best of luck in the New Year!
296 Stevie (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:15 pm Report abuse
Troy
Lets see...

“SA for hispanics only” - Did I say that? No, I didn't. That's your selective reading messing with your eyes.

“English hatred” - Not at all. More like “fed up with English arrogance.” I love the English! The further away, the better.

“Took great glea in describing a US operative prisoner. - No, I didn't. I said ”rumours say” and little else. Mitrione wasn't tortured. When the Tupa in charge entered his cell to give Mitrione a pen and paper to write home with, he (the Tupa) did so without covering his face. At this point Mitrione understood what was going to happen and well... rumours say...
297 yankeeboy (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
Whenever Stevie uses “butthurt” it reminds me of the Uruguayan “peacekeepers” in Haiti filming themselves while they gang raped a teenage boy.
298 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
Yes he did meltdown and is true racist side took the best of him. Odd thing is too, at least in Argentina the majority of people are Euro descent and are caucasians.
New Years Eve was great......went to a ball and was seated at a table with a younger couple from Yorkshire........very nice they were. And his wife was of Puerto Rico descent.

That Mitrione story gets the best of him. His values precludes him from hurting and killing but obviously does not preclude him from condoning it. Mitrione was not a field trained operative. Certain people ultimately know their fate and destiny.

Troy have you noticed that when he does speak to someone directly, he always makes statement that individual have never made and tends to talk at them in the broadest of sense. He is inconsistent as well speaking directly at you yet calling you “lot” rotten. I've never in my life felt superior to anyone, but I can say I feel my opportunities far exceed lil stevies.....even though he earns wages as he is asleep in the control room. Explains a lot about SA then........everyone must be asleep in the control room, especially in the electric generation plants. Whats even funnier is to make a statement that he earns more without even knowing what someone earns. More statements without any facts....typical of him.
299 HansNiesund (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:29 pm Report abuse
@296

“SA for Hispanics only” is the logical implication of what you're always saying and what you've just said once more. You just don't have the self-awareness or intellectual honesty necessary to just come out and say it.
300 Stevie (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:30 pm Report abuse
Told you military are useless...

yanqui, what happened to your trains in that big kaboom? I heard you had to evacuate a whole village...

And here you had me thinking that boarding an Argentine train could be fatal.
Seems like in yanquiland you don't even have to board a train to be in danger...

;)
301 yankeeboy (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
Are you talking about the train full of oil in ND? Er, accidents happen.
It wasn't caused by the gov't denying imports.
What are they up to 6 people dying over gov't malfeasance?
Think CFK will be jailed?
Probably not yet
but soon
302 bushpilot (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 02:51 pm Report abuse
Maybe the blackouts are because the electric started their Christmas holiday to days before Christmas even began and they all just went home and did not worry anymore about what they did.

Then they came in for half a day and flipped a bunch of switches on and off, and after that half day of coming in to work after their extended Christmas holiday. They went back home for their New Year's holiday. Again, never mind the electricity.

Then, maybe they all decided to stay home on January 2nd too. After all, it is “holiday” time. Maybe all those people who are critical of this, need to lighten up and not have such a hard ass mentality. It's the holiday time, lighten up!!

Mercopress is off on holiday for 3 weeks now. Why would there be anything new over the holidays anyway.

Maybe the electric company say that Mercopress got a 3 week holiday from what they do, and they decided they should just be able to go home for 3 weeks too.
303 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:10 pm Report abuse
gma.yahoo.com/reddit-user-posts-55-000-hospital-bill-appendectomy-123853510.html

Hahaha 60.000 dollars for having your apêndix removed, what is nothing but a routine operation even in 4th world countries.

Wow, Americans must be the dumbest people on Earth to get fleeced so brazenly and obviously. That country is doomed.
304 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:11 pm Report abuse
298Captain Poppy

Capt, have no qualms about feeling superior to “Stevie”, you undoubtedly are, as an individual. I never hear ravist remarks from you, nor do I recall you being “arrogant”.
Stevie confirms it every time he opens his yap.
His racist anti-English,/ SA for South American “brothers” only, meltdown gave him away.
I wouldn't say he was a xenophobe, just scared of others, there is an explicit expression of hatred directed at an ethnic group which he identifies as ' not like him', as though that is justification in itself.

He reminds me of the research team that took a group of Rhesus monkeys and coloured one of them green at random - he was viscously attacked and driven away from a community they were an integral part of before.

His hypocrisy and intolerance is obvious as he does his best to villify the Brits (oh, yeah, “English”- because everyone knows they are 'rotten') while his corrupt Argentine government carries on with its lies and thieving.

Stevie is quick to accuse us of “arrogance”, “Imperialism”, and “superiority”.
Sounds like CFK's government to me, reflected in Stevie as an individual.

It's not “English” or English-speaking people's “arrogance”, he seems to have a real inferiority complex, all his own problem.
His country is spirally down to disaster, an economy shattered by a government that steals from its own people.
Meanwhile, our Anglo economies are doing very well in comparison.
Witness how incensed and disbelieving Stevie is, that a middle class Australian can afford to travel widely and scuba dive in foreign countries.

“Stop flaunting your wealth!” - remember that rant??! LOL !!

Then he childishly goes on to brag that he can earn much more, while “sleeping in the Control Room”.

...somehow, I bet he still can't “scuba dive in Indonesia”

It's not Stevie. No, the Anglos are just “not fair”

Capt.,
Reading a good book:
A History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900

By Andrew Roberts (2007)

Refreshingly “non-apologist”
305 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 06:58 pm Report abuse
Yes he really has problems that he does not know where to direct. I really think he hates the cards he was dealt and rather than play the hand he folded in anger. When he resorts to the insults it's obvious he is defeated. When he talks he goes from broad things some others same and then mixes it with some specific things a few say. He is often all over then place. Denouncing the Anglo wars and then proudly stating the execution of Mitrione. He thinks he is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma ( Churchill). At best he is a single cell life.

Sounds like an interesting read. Whether stevie likes the “rotten” (his words) English or not, he should have the intelligence to respect their 2000 years of history and the accomplishments they gave to world. A country does not exist for that long being incompetent. No one is staying in the Commonwealth under duress.

stevie needs to see someone and learn to embrace his heritage rather than resent it. He has a serious inferiority complex.

How does two continents in one hemisphere start a race at the same point and become so far apart? Rhetorical of course.
306 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
So now England IS 2000 years old!

I said that a few months ago and the English chewed me for my supposed ignorance.

Then it is 2000 of CRIMES and MASS MURDERS, of others and of themselves!

And what about before 2000 years ago...

Oh, they were living in peat holes, until the Romans taught them how to take a bath.
307 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
Poppy

Do you think “Stevie” is just another of Nostril's clones?
308 yankeeboy (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
No but clearly they have come from the same poisoned tree.
309 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
306 Snotty Nostril

2000 years ago, you were the performing 'animals' in the Roman Circus.
310 Stevie (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 09:34 pm Report abuse
I called the English rotten? No, that's impossible.

I would never think of rotten and not include yanqui.

Just not possible...
311 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
#307 Troy......no, but I do think they took the same racist and indoctrination classes and read the same book........“How to be Successfully stupid for Dummies”. They certainly have the same provincial thinking and have serious race issues.

Yes titti boi tobi.......England as a country is just over 1000 years old. You win that one.......you have a point. And do you think there were different people on that island before the 10th century?

Yes I can see nostril performing for the Romans before they left. I bet he was a racist to the Romans back then too.
312 HansNiesund (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 10:10 pm Report abuse
@306

Gasp! Surely you're not an admirer of those wicked imperialists the Romans? Or is is that plumbing makes imperialism OK?
313 ElaineB (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 10:54 pm Report abuse
You have to have a little sympathy for TTT and Stevie. They are both so full of self-loathing and burdened with inferiority that they lash out randomly at pretty much anyone they are jealous of. It is misplaced as they should embrace and enjoy the good things they have and stop coveting what everyone else has.

Interesting that other people picked up on Stevie's rage at me for being 'superior' and then flip-flopping to bragging about his earnings.

I would add a little caution to everyone here. I have noticed Stevie is goading people on this and another thread to reveal things about themselves. Tread carefully.
314 mexican hat (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 11:33 pm Report abuse
that @ 308..yanqui idiot ....
posting under so many different screennames..
for what?
315 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 11:46 pm Report abuse
313 ElaineB

As I said, Elaine, Stevie along with Snotty, shows a very obvious streak of jealousy and as you say, self-loathing.

I can't even say, 'frustrated ambition', as I believe they have none - only entitlement.

It's very clear to every poster here now, that Stevie has no credibility and he is only motivated by his government and his own flaws.

Thier comments are just supercilious goading - not worth a response

:-D
316 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 12:17 am Report abuse
They all tend to go through these meltdowns and rant with nothing but insults because the facts are not available. What I got the biggest chuckle over is “he earns more sleeping at the control room”. As I said.....explains a lot.
I've no fears divulging information about me....I even emailed jay....I mean stevie. However, he lacks the bravado he espouses in his posts. I do think he is a bitter young man and angry that he is someone he does not want to be, or the very least not happy he is who he is. He never answers anyones questions, rants about things others post, avoids, evades and diverts. He is afraid to state where he resides, his age and even sex is unknown and this secrecy seems to give him some sort of superiority boost, though most of his ego is fueled by his insults and anger that manifests from his inferiority. He does not see how pathetic he has become over time. He and tobi share the same traits. They also pontificate and rnat about us “monolinguistic” all the while they want an autarkic society. What is the point of be multi-lingual then? As this year unfolds and continues to spiral downward in SA and in particular Argentina, they will implode. They are very sad indeed.
317 Stevie (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 12:20 am Report abuse
Racist, indoctrinated, jealous, self-loathing and stupid. With minority complex..

Was I indoctrinated to be jealous, or to be racist? A jealous racist is kind of useless, it would mean he understands his supposed superior race actually is inferior... Either way, lets say my teachers really messed up and indoctrinated both, would the low self-esteem be a result of my inferioríty complex, or the other way around? Can low self-esteem result in a complex, or is it a natural response to the complex itself?
I got this.... frustrated ambition... to resolve this issue, because something in my brain is stopping me from wasting my time with a bunch of tossers like you lot, but the little devil in me just can't stop laughing....
318 Anglotino (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 03:07 am Report abuse
“Racist, indoctrinated, jealous, self-loathing and stupid. With minority complex.”

Finally Stevie sees himself for what he is!
319 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 03:57 am Report abuse
I told everyone here that the new generation of Argenines will have NO interest in any of you foreigners. I told you but people like Elaine kept saying “you don't speak for all argentines”. All I wanted to do is warn you all that MY generation has no interest in engaging the world, a world that clearly sees us as “sub-human”. Who would want relations with foreigners like that?

Europe, Asia, and North America can wave bye bye to any relations with Argentina for the next 50 years. LAtin America remains to be seen, but the capitalist way they are all going, it is increasingly doubtful.

Bye!!!
320 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 03:58 am Report abuse
Anglo/Poppy/Connor

I think he just ended the effectiveness of this cock ...er sock.

No point in responding to him.
321 cornelius (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 05:36 am Report abuse
Bring the military back you can handle the left dictatorship.
The military did not take care of the montoneros they did a bad job and now they are payng the price.
322 HansNiesund (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 10:12 am Report abuse
@321

Of course! The answer to hatred, violence and intolerance can only be hatred, violence and intolerance. The Latam right and the Latam right sure do deserve each other.
323 yankeeboy (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
Peso is $13.25/ U$ in Uruguay!
And is in free fall in Argentina.

Lights still out in parts of BA and GBA.
Can it get any better!

Yes Yes it can.
324 ElaineB (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 04:14 pm Report abuse
@319 You don't speak for the majority of Argentines and you certainly do not speak for your generation. You are sadly mistaken if you think you are representative of Argentines of any age. Every generation has a small disenfranchised group of malcontents who hate themselves and consequently everyone else. You, TTT, have a huge inferiority complex - most probably because of your unfortunate circumstances - that is revealed in the peculiar language that seeps out of you. “Sub-human”? Who on earth, other than you, has ever called you that?

Your government has failed spectacularly. The people of Argentina will have to live through the difficult years ahead caused by the reckless and feckless K's. But they will get through it because they always do. Why you insist on taking the facts so personally is a mystery.
325 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 05:46 pm Report abuse
With Nostril's indoctrination and blind belief in the K's, he has spent years deriding the English-speaking people and striking at us in his denial.

Now that his government has failed spectacularly, he can't bring himself to say, “you were right”.
Rather, he must still reject us - it is our fault they tried to cheat us and brought the country to ruin by stealing from their own people.

Now he is the little boy stamping his feet, “I'll show you, I'm not going to play with you anymore”

I think we should let him take his marbles and go home.
326 ElaineB (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
TTT just cannot stand any criticism of anything even loosely related to Argentina. He is the product of Nationalism as opposed to Patriotism. It is this Nationalism that allows the K's to get away with their appalling corruption and grand scale theft from the Argentine people. They are brainwashed into not criticising anything Argentine so the government can, and does, do anything it likes. Instead he blames anyone BUT the very people responsible for the terrible state of Argentina.

Still, he is on a night bus (poor sod) to a seaside resort for a family holiday. He would have been better off going to the Vina Del Mar coast as it is closer to Mendoza and has far better beaches than anything Argentina has to offer but I suspect he cannot afford to go out of the country.
327 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 07:54 pm Report abuse
Yes, criticism of the government is treason - in Argentina.

Talk about misguided loyalty!

The Stevie and Snotty youth,
They just don't understand what dupes they are.
328 yankeeboy (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
327. I think Toby is realizing he has been deceived. That's why he has been so angry lately.
Stevie is brainwashed and will never see the error of his ways.
329 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 01:55 pm Report abuse
I agree Troy.....he and they have a hard time complaining about the leaders.

Hell........I haven't have decent leaders in my country for decades........we're on autopilot and I've hated the course for some time!

Yankee they are so indoctrinated and hateful because they collectively are at the helm(most in SA) and are failing miserably and cannot accept the “otherway” is far better off then they are. What's more strange is their concept of pride in lack of integrity by defaulting on debt. Reminds me of the middle east where lying is almost an honor badge.
330 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 04:58 pm Report abuse
329 Poppy

”Yankee they are so indoctrinated and hateful because they collectively are at the helm(most in SA) and are failing miserably and cannot accept the “otherway” is far better off then they are. What's more strange is their concept of pride in lack of integrity by defaulting on debt. Reminds me of the middle east where lying is almost an honor badge.“

When they are backed into a corner, they can never say ” Sorry, we screwed up and we let our government get away with it“.
They think they are saving face and NATIONAL PRIDE by saying, ” yeah, we kept the money, we deceived you because we are so much smarter than you!”

Too bad we can't just 'put them to bed early and no TV'.
331 Captain Poppy (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 10:33 pm Report abuse
As I said many times. Though I never lived there, I've been there often and I have yet to meet anyone like these people. While they are proud people, they are also embarrassed of what has happened to Argentina. Most are like Simone68. There are a few here who want to kill and bomb all which is ludacris. They've never been there nor know the people. I think they watch too much Military Channels......lol. But these trolls here are like a ass pimple from sitting too much.

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