Friday, December 27th 2013 - 00:05 UTC

Over 10m Argentines live in poverty conditions, says Catholic University

Over a quarter of the Argentine population live in poverty conditions, with no formal job, poor quality education, dreadful housing and insufficient healthcare, according to the latest paper from the Buenos Aires Catholic University Social Debt Observatory.

One of many shanty towns ('misery villages') in Argentine main cities including downtown Buenos Aires

 The paper, “Structural heterogeneous factors and standing social inequalities” also reveals that from 2004 to 2010 the social gap between life conditions for the middle class and the most vulnerable has increased considerably.

The Social Debt Observatory considered one of the most prestigious and reliable in Argentina says that half of Argentine workers have a precarious job or 'indigence jobs' (i.e. collecting cardboard and paper) and over half of the upcoming adult generations is excluded from the social security system.

Besides three million people are mal nourished, and one in ten houses does not have running water and three out of ten is not connected to sewage network.

Furthermore 37% of young adults has not finished high school and 20% are the 'ni-ni' category of 'no job, no school'; 12% of children aged 5 to 17 are involved in some kind of job and two out of ten need government assistance, with 23.5% needing a program of standing social assistance.

Despite government assistance efforts one out of four of these 500.000 households does not have access to the real value of the basic food basket.

“Structural marginality did not improve in Argentine despite all the years Argentina expanded at 8% annually. Structural poverty has crystallized as has the impossibility of achieving basic levels of social integration and well-being”, according to Agustin Salvia head of the Observatory research.

“Half of the 2002 poor are no longer poor, but the levels previous to the crisis have worsened. Most of the social conflicts have to do with inequality and unsatisfied expectations. Crime, robbery, looting are part of a social decomposition context for people who believe the system does not include them and the distance with the well-off is ever widening”.

Because of inflation poverty is advancing and so is the stagnation of formal employment. “In 2013 it climbed to over 25%”, says Salvia.

In 2003 the poverty rate in Argentina was 50.9% of the population and in 2012 it was down to 24.5% according to the Observatory stats (officially it's down to 5.4%). This means that 30% of Argentines, if we include the 4.9% of indigence, was unable to climb out of the situation despite the strong economic growth of almost a decade. In this context government social assistance was up to 15.3% of GSP in 2012, from 10.3% in 2003.

However even when a significant percentage of those jobless in 2002 rapidly reinserted in the production system, since they had the skills, as factories and corporations again took off. But those who have been unable to integrate are those at the basis of the pyramid with little or no education, no skills and little work habit.

For the report based on figures from another prestigious institution FIEL, the Latin American Economic Research Foundation, a household in Argentina needs 3.900 Pesos (600 dollars) a month to remain just above the poverty line and of which 2.000 Pesos to buy food. This compares with the official and much discredited Indec government stats office, which puts the poverty line at 1.750 Pesos and monthly food purchase at 769 Pesos.

Argentina has a population of 40 million which means that at least 10 million live in poverty and increasingly marginalized as the system allegedly has let them down.

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1 golfcronie (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:02 am Report abuse
I wonder if the Dear Leader ( CFK ) is a little concerned, or will take no notice and hopes it goes away.
2 Zethee (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:11 am Report abuse
I'm sure there will be plenty of the Argie brigade that pop on soon to tell us how completely wrong these numbers are.

Put the picture tells a thousand words.
3 Britworker (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:25 am Report abuse
Never mind, a good Falklands myth will fill their bellies.
4 golfcronie (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 12:33 pm Report abuse
Not many responces from our Argentinian friends, probably agree with what has been said.
5 ChrisR (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 01:02 pm Report abuse
“The Poor are always with us”

Yes, that is a truism as is they are stupid, lazy bastards and will never work at school or get a job to improve their status.

But the Social Inclusion Programme of Uruguay is working to improve their lot by taking money from citizens who DO work to give to the poor and some of the workers are now less well off than if they were in the “Programme”.

Cretinous logic, typical of The Cunt Brown © Jeremy Clarkson 2010.

Argentina of course does not GAF!

Perhaps the RCC should show it’s caring side by opening the doors to the Vatican vaults and give The Poor all the gold, jewels and other assets they have for “The Good Of God”. Most of it given by the “poor” in the hopes of getting into “Heaven” when they croak.

But then the Holy See would be bust and “The Poor would still be with us”.

Form a circle as the “Priests” say to the choirboys.
6 yankeeboy (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 02:24 pm Report abuse
Don't you find it odd that Think disappears just as the chaos starts in BA?

hd.clarin.com/tagged/altas-temperaturas

Thinkaroo if you are out there the Peso is back up to 10/1 even the gov't rate is close to 7.
I don't want you to be left in the dark.
pun intended
7 Conqueror (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
This sounds very good. More than 10 million argies in poverty. Not that they merit anything else. How will things be when it's 20 million? Just a tip, argies, don't ask the UK for aid. Although we might be able to help by reducing your population. You should look to the future. Should we exterminate 30 million of you? I use the word “exterminate” advisedly. The correct thing to do with vermin.
I doubt whether any one here has any “argie” friends. “Argentines”, possibly. But the current contagion must not be allowed to spread. Or continue.
8 axel arg (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS?.
Who said that uca's observatory is one of the most prestigious from the country?, i don't invalid it's figures, but it is the first time i read that it's considered like one of the most prestigious from argentina.
If we talk about statistics, we'll find relevant differences among the different indexes, in fact, uca says that poverty is 24,4%, cifra-cta says it's 20%, indec says it's 4,5%, beside there are also provincial indexes, so, you can choose the one that you preffer.
I don't have the necesssary academic knowledge to affirm whether indec's figures are reliable of false, but what i know is that private polls don't enough infrastructure as indec has, in order to create a reliable index. In my opinion, private polls shouldn't be taken either as the ones which tell the truth about argentina's situation.
If we debate about argentina's progress in the last ten years, it's not necesary to take the numbers of any statistics, because people's progress, and our pendent social debts can be seen in the streets. If argentina didn't have a deep social improvement, embasies would be still the solution for many people, as they used to be for many years, however there is not any massive inmigration of argentines to other countries. On the other hand, if argentina didn't have this progress, rouds wouldn't be full cars with people who go to spend their holidays in the crowed beaches from our coast, beside turistic bussiness men have good expectations for their enterprices every summer, anyway, at the same time, many of them increase the prices of the houses and appartments that people rent.
The other side of our reality, is that we still have a 34% of workers who don't have any social safe in their jobs, they just have the government's help, beside, there is also a number of people who live in very precarious conditions.
9 ron_57 (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 06:21 pm Report abuse
Poverty exists in most countries: the UK has more than 15 millons of people living in poverty. Would you believe Prince Charles navy retirement is only U$S 167.00 per week? Of course, he donate his retirement money to charity.
The USA has 26 millons people living below poverty levels and 47 millons depending in goverment food stamps assistance. Beggers are found in streets in all the USA, but have not seen beggers in certain cities in Argentina except in Bs.As.
10 ChrisR (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 06:51 pm Report abuse
@ 9 ron_57
“Beggers are found in streets in all the USA, but have not seen beggers in certain cities in Argentina except in Bs.As.”

So you have been to the “streets in all the USA”?

Lying bastard.
11 Anglotino (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
It's amazing how quickly and easily people like ron_57 can find poverty statistics for other countries.

Which sort of only bolsters the poverty issues for Argentina which CAN'T seem to produce a clear figure.

I some how doubt the poverty rates rates for the US and UK (and Australia) contain such tragic examples such as:
* 7.3% of the population are malnourished
* 10% of house do not have running water
* 30% of house are not connected to sewage network
* 37% of young adults have not finished high school
* 20% of young adults don't have a job or school
* 12% of children aged 5 to 17 are involved in some kind of job
* 125,000 households does not have access to the real value of the basic food basket.
12 ron_57 (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
@10
I reside in the USA and I travel nationwide so is clear that I see poor people begging for food every day! The internet shows poverty all around the USA...so YOU might be the “Lying bastard”.

@11
Poverty has the same meaning and contains the same tragic examples such as lack of nutrition, housing, transportation, communication,etc. See the usa “native americans reservations” still waiting for more assistance: they look very poor.
See Diana Spencer internet videos visiting the homeless people found in the UK streets: they look very poor.
13 Leiard (#) Dec 27th, 2013 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
@12 sussie

Still posting the same old rubbish.
14 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 04:04 am Report abuse
6 Yankeeboy

“Don't you find it odd that Think disappears just as the chaos starts in BA?”

A_Voice is missing too!!

No power, or does ThinksVoiceOver have the holiday week off ?
“Stevie ” seems to be covering for him on all threads.

I see that BK is filling in too, while the staff are off !
15 Anglotino (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 08:03 am Report abuse
Heisenbergcontext is missing.
Aussie_scumshine is missing.
El Capitano is missing.
Dany is missing.
A_Voice is missing.
Marcos is missing.
Alejandro is missing.

Who else is missing?
16 Conqueror (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 11:56 am Report abuse
@8 Go away. Please go away. Go back and sit on someone's dick. Enjoy yourself. Stop trying to “improve” on making a fool of yourself and being a total prat.
@9 Wow, still more, pro rata, poor than us. Tell you what, your glorious leader has US$16 million that she admits to. Then there's the other US$50 million that she doesn't mention. Here in the UK a number of politicians get criticised for being millionaires. In order to avoid such criticism, shouldn't CFK be distributing her US$66 million to the poor and needy? Just think, for one day you could have an extra US$6.60! Bet that's the way she thinks about it. “They'll never notice”.
@12 Oh look, another argie or supporter. Let me note that down. Another one that can't live in The Dark Country. Just how many refugees have we allowed out? Force them back where they “belong”!
@15 We can hope that there have been several unreported murderous riots where the striking “police” said “Sod 'em”. Your list. Gone and easily forgotten. So many others should be gone. “axel_arg”, “BK Whopper”, “Forgotten”, “ron” dabout and the generally applicable “wanker”. As defined by “wikipedia”, wankers mostly reside in a hostile territory located between Bolivia, Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile and Armageddon. “Wankers” are urged to return to where they were extruded. They represent money that is needed but hasn't been stolen. Yet. Easy “crossings” from civilised countries. Although no “transport” is available. However, “wankers” have big mouths so no problem with oxygen supply. Maybe. And if they drown and die? Who cares?
17 A_Voice (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 07:14 pm Report abuse
14/15
Not missing...it's Christmas period...family time.....
Some of us do actually have a life........;-)
18 ron_57 (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 07:19 pm Report abuse
@15
There are not any “argies” posting in Mercopress so there is not any “missing”.
The fact that Mercopress don't post a street address in Uruguay means this is a website for the brits to support the islanders insulting the “argies”.
Mercopress keep repeating the same articles about Argentina: poverty, riots: cacerola noise, and lack of dulce de leche.
Common behavior from the brits: always degrading other nationalities.
19 Anglotino (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 10:57 pm Report abuse
Here fishy fishy fishy!
20 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 28th, 2013 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
17
Enjoy your Family Time,
Stevie and BK have it covered
;-)
21 It's a TrOLL Road (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 04:10 am Report abuse
@15

It's called “enjoying the holidays with your family”. Something long forgotten in the dysfunctional social craphole of Australia. Do you even have families anymore, I've actually never seen an Australian “family”, it's always two or three racist blokes parading up and down Mendoza, or the lone butch-looking aussie girl, escaping whatever miserable existence she had back home.

For all the “money” you tout, its clear your social fabric is non-existent.
22 Anglotino (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 08:14 am Report abuse
Behold Argentina's superior intellect; jealous that Australians can afford to travel to his ghetto. The person that has never been anywhere but thinks he has experienced it anyway.

Seems he is over spending time with his family if he is on here. At least according to his theory.

“I've actually never seen an Australian 'family' ”

Of course you haven't.

You haven't been anywhere!

You haven't swum in the Caribbean, walked around Stonehenge, gazed upon the Mona Lisa, touched the Berlin Wall, climbed the Eiffel Tower or Statue of Liberty, walked the markets of Marrakech, driven across the Nullabor or the Canadian Prairies, haggled in the market in Antigua Guatemala or scuba dived in Indonesia.

So no one is the least surprised that you haven't seen an Australian family. Some things can't be experienced through Google.

And for your information, after opening up my house to a traditional Colombian Christmas on the 24th with dancing (and quite loud annoying singing) until 4am; I then invited 2 Colombian, a Venezuelan and a Queenslander to spend Christmas with my family as they were so far from their own.

Who did your family open their house to?
Who did you extend generosity to?
How did you contribute to the social fabric of your country over this period?

I do believe you called me “a pathetic social racist” on another thread. Why, because I keep besting you at every turn? Because I don't fall for your government's crappy propaganda. Because my country is successful and yours isn't and you have actually stated that yours is a failure more than once?

Speaking of a “dysfunctional social craphole”; which country experienced police strikes, looting, massive blackouts and social unrest all in the last few weeks? Topping off food shortages, 30% inflation, growing malnutrition & poverty levels and child labour.

You will never make my country look bad because yours will always look worse, especially when represented by people such as yourself.

Superior intellect indeed!
23 Leiard (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 12:47 pm Report abuse
“A ”winning decade“ without light and with 10 million poor”

www.clarin.com/edicion-impresa/decada-ganada-luz-millones-pobres_0_1056494418.html
24 Jonaz_BsAs (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:03 pm Report abuse
#22 Anglotino:

Not defending the current Argentinean regime one bit, but that was the most pompous and arrogant post I've probably ever seen, which in itself is an achievement.
25 ChrisR (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
@ 24 Jonaz_BsAs
“Not defending the current Argentinean regime one bit, but that was the most pompous and arrogant post I've probably ever seen, which in itself is an achievement.”

Not really high on achievement then are you?

SO, just WHAT are you doing?

Do you not understand why Anglotino wrote that post?

The idiot known as TTT, et al continually raves utter rubbish due to the fact he has never been anywhere.

Anglotino has, get a grip.
26 yankeeboy (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
Chris, Toby knows other cultures because he can travel a couple hour radius from Mendoza and see them all.
hahaha
27 Anglotino (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
@24 Jonaz_BsAs

Thank you. High praise indeed.

Stick around.
28 Jonaz_BsAs (#) Dec 29th, 2013 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
@Anglotino
It's not helpful to glee over other people´s misfortune. However mismanaged, most people will defend their country when put down by foreigners, thus rendering a comment like yours counterproductive.

Many Argentines haven't been abroad because their governments, all of them, have stolen everything but the kitchen sink. Be glad your governments didn't do the same thing.
29 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 12:17 am Report abuse
Jonaz_BsAs

As I said stick around. Nostrils currently known as It's a TrOLL Road will soon expose you to his “glee over other people's misfortune”.

I can't wait to read your first, second, third and then 100th reply to him.

Argentineans have the country they deserve. They run it, they vote their pathetic populist politicians with easy answers in to power and they are now reaping the rewards. Unlike Nostrils, I don't blame anyone but Argentineans for what they are experiencing.

I don't have to be glad that my government will do the same thing because we know that politicians are untrustworthy and we know that they neither sides knows all the answers or gets it right all the time. We don't accept leaders becoming multi millionaires while in power. We don't accept the removal of checks and balances because the government thinks their right to govern is greater than my right to have those checks and balances.

Australia and Argentina were once equally rich and developed as each other. Then Argentina chose the path of Peronism and has never gotten off. Now they are not even in the same league as us. That is not because we were lucky and they had external problems we didn't face but because we took the difficult path of reform and not the easy path of populism.

Until a leader stands before the Argentine people and tells them the truth that they are broke, that their system doesn't work, that there is no external enemy trying to keep them down, that the way they live and work has to change, that their past wealth and prosperity was the result of a different set of values.... until that happens, Argentineans are doomed to continually repeat their past mistakes and continue their downward slide.

Saying I have glee and am counterproductive because I hold a mirror up to these failings is nothing more than shooting the messenger.

I truly look foward to your replies to Nostrils, they will be educational and entertaining. Why not start with one to his comment 21?
30 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 12:46 am Report abuse
Anglolatino, you poor, miserable thing.
You have nothing with mentioning, what are you on about?
Lets compare, you little worm!!!

So you have scuba dived in Indonesia? Wow!!! What does that make you? An Indonesian scuba diver?

You are a fool. An utter, utter fool...
31 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:26 am Report abuse
Good try Stevie but FAIL!

Actually I lie, that wasn't even a good try!

I've experienced life by doing things, Nostrils experiences them through Google and gloats this is equivalent. You enable him by taking 4 words out of context without a single mention of how skewed his world view is. People like you helped to create the problems in Argentina as you cannot bring yourself to even once admit that you are wrong.

You support all that is wrong with Argentine society and the fact that you never reply to Nostrils to correct his warped world view is proof. You skip past his racism, his generalisations, his errors; his egotistically claims of the superior intellect on here and quickly launch yourself at others.

You ignore 30% inflation because it is the product of an economic system that you prefer. You ignore Argentina travel restrictions because they are the result of standing up to ‘vulture funds’ in your eyes and not the result of an economic system that doesn’t work. You sacrifice your beloved Uruguay at the alter of Argentina as you can’t criticise any action that might denigrate Argentina. You’re a blind fool and know it – because the standard of your commentary has dropped even further and further.

Your first comment on this 3 day old thread that lists such disgusting statistics such as child labour, no access to running water, growing poverty and malnutrition and you can’t bring yourself to comment or analyse because you feel the need to call me names.

By all means, continually attack me as it has no effect. I am not secretive like you & I live by my convictions... again unlike you. I don't espouse an ideology that I won't live under and am open and honest in my opinions. You are nothing but a contrarian that runs around diverting topics and attacking the minutiae of a message.

But supposedly I'm the miserable thing...... and then your comment came along & we could all see exactly what miserable really looks like.

How are them grapes? Nice and sour I bet
32 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:30 am Report abuse
You are useless to the human race, go scuba diving.
33 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:57 am Report abuse
Stevie,

Shot down in flames!!

Nice one Anglo - a good dose of the truth!!
34 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:11 am Report abuse
Behold the comeback.

I would say that took me down a notch, but then I'd be lying.

Without Think and others to back you up, you truly are a miserable failure.

God I hope you stick around for 2014.
35 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 05:19 am Report abuse
Anglolatino
Your problem os that you wish to flaunt your cash.
But you have none.
It's all daddy's.

Because one thing is bloody obvious.

You never had a job in your life...
36 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:47 am Report abuse
Stevie

While you are so simple and transparent, it is obvious that I am the opposite.... at least to you.

First off, I have never ONCE said that I am rich or well off. I was comfortably middle class until I returned to uni and now have made income and lifestyle sacrifices to live that dream. I don't flaunt my cash because I don't have any. I only work 20 hours per week during semester.

Second, I find it impossible to be using my father's cash because he lost everything in bankruptcy including his superannuation.

But because I have whupped your arse left, right and centre over the past couple of days....nay months, I now supposedly have never had a job?

I have to wonder how old you think I am. The CBA would be surprised to learn the mortgage they gave me several years ago was to someone unemployed. Doesn't seem possible. How do I pay for that dastardly burden every month?

How did I manage to travel and live through 28 countries over 4 years without working? God I wish my father was that rich because then I would easily fit into some nice little pigeon hole for you. You may have sold your soul for money and a comfortable lifestyle in Europe contrary to all your espoused beliefs but not all of us are so morally bankrupt.

While you are so transparent, it seems I'm not at all.

Over the past week your posts have been pathetic which just goes to show that you are a coward of the finest pedigree who has to gang up with others to bully people. I, on the other hand, can easily stand alone and still run rings around you. It is just easier now while you flail around desperately trying to gain traction with one pathetic line of attack after another.

But soon your friends will be back and while Think and his ilk will have your back, it won't change you from being the morally bankrupt coward that we all see and hear every day.
37 golfcronie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:57 am Report abuse
@35
Stevie, instead of having a pop at Anglotino, why not dispute his claims as anyone with a contrary view would. You come across as a typical little boy that in an arguement just stands there and says NaNaNaNa, and just hopes it will go away. Actually you sound bit like the Argentinian Government.
38 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:32 am Report abuse
Anglolatino
You think you “whoop my arse”?
In a thread full of old fascists your arguments as to why people should think and act like you is because you've been scuba diving in Indonesia and paid la Gioconda a visit...
You are ridiculous and a liar. No middle class family in Australia has the ability to send their 17 old brat of a kid to all those places you mentioned.

Don't want to flaunt that imaginary cash no more?

Brat.
39 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 12:09 pm Report abuse
Ooh Stevie did your feelings get hurt?
Poor simpleton, you use the same arguments and reason( although I hesitate to call it that) against me and the USA.
How sad your life must be
I think Anglolatino hit the nail on the head, did your boyfriend leave you over the holidays?
40 Jonaz_BsAs (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 12:23 pm Report abuse
@ Anglotino:
“As I said stick around. Nostrils currently known as It's a TrOLL Road will soon expose you to his “glee over other people's misfortune”.

I can't wait to read your first, second, third and then 100th reply to him.”

There won't be a first, second or 100th reply; I have a life to live and I know I a fanatic when I see him. For the same reason I don't debate with members of the Scientology church or Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter.

Judging from the live threads, this board has become as useless as an internet discussion board can possibly become; fringe operators trying to get their “got ya” moment while facts have long since been thrown out the window.

Your assertion that “Argentineans have the country they deserve” is not helpful at best and destructively ignorant worst. At least 8-10 million Argentines are as horrified by the current government as you are but what can we do? Start a civil war? You see, alternatives aren’t plentiful and the situation is quite desperate.

Lobbing insults isn’t helpful and in your posts you come along as being ethnocentric or even racist, which probably aren’t your motives. If you want to understand (and perhaps even help) Argentina, you should dig a little deeper and not waste your time debating fanatics. However, if your prime motive is to insult citizens of foreign nations from the comfort of your own home, it seems as if you have found a perfect venue.
41 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 12:54 pm Report abuse
At least 8-10 million Argentines are as horrified by the current government as you are but what can we do?

What a cop out!

8-10Mm Rgs COULD gasp vote out the current crooks and get a new gov't.
The problem is Rgs to too stupid, lazy and corrupt to do it.

Corruption is ingrained, supported and encouraged by your society. You are also lazy and expect to live well without having to work for it.

You'd be better off giving up this failed experiment of democracy and go back to military rule. It is the only thing that will get you a better life over the next generation. Try to find someone like Pinochet to fix the Society and rout out corruption. It will take a generation or two but it will be worth it.
42 Jonaz_BsAs (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
You are as ignorant as they come, yankee, but who could be surprised? A return to military dictatorship is clearly the worst outcome of all, it will only delay the democratisation process with another generation or two. Only a clown would suggest what you just did.

But, what the hell - this is clearly a board for losers from every side of the argument. I'm out.
43 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Not all Societies are smart enough to have a functioning democracy. Clearly what you call Democracy has failed in Argentina.
If you don't see that you are proving my point.

Look for a Pinochet-type to fix the country it is your only hope.
44 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
Encarcelating people without trials.
Killing children from helicopters.
Torturing people.
Invading sovereign nations for natural resources.
Killing families using drones.
Producing narcotics for own consumption.
Rigged elections where only millionaires can reach the Presidency.

Keep your “democracy”, but keep it far, far away from us...
45 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Us?
Which Scandinavian country would that be?
Returnado means you actually went back home to live
You didn't
46 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland...
You name it.
Each and every one of them an example for your shithole of a nation.
47 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
They're so tiny you can't compare their type of gov't organization to the USA.
What a silly boy
48 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:18 pm
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49 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
45yankeeboy

This is from Stevie, the self-proclaimed “Anarchist”.

No respect governments, laws, societies, institutions.

Happy to tear everything down, as an Anarchist (Stevie - “no no, there were Communists amongst us, but I'm an Anarchist”) he has no alternative plan for an orderly society.

No convictions that he'll stand behind.
What a cop out.
50 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
I'm indeed an anarchist, and I do put morals before law.
That why I don't kill.
That's why I don't steal.
That's why I don't believe in religion.

That's why I don't agree with you lot.
51 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:35 pm Report abuse
That's why you are so sad and a drifter never knowing a home.
I pegged you long ago
I know exactly what you are and what you are doomed to become.
52 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:39 pm Report abuse
Troy what anarchy could stevie possibly deploy in the safe comforts or Sweden?

His philosophies are only as strong as his practices of them. The classic example is his support and some SA countries policies.......all the way over in Europe.
53 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:45 pm Report abuse
50stevie

“I'm indeed an anarchist, and I do put morals before law.
That why I don't kill.
That's why I don't steal.
That's why I don't believe in religion.”

And yet, you contradict yourself by supporting the government of CFK.

I don't think you can explain that one.
54 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
Easy
Just like with most of the subjects you speak up about, you have no clue as to what anarchism is...
55 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 07:23 pm Report abuse
Sure we do stevie.....and look it up.....it says.......“see Somalia, Yemen”

Troy.......we need to democratize this website...........
56 Troy Tempest (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
55 I'll vote for that!

@54
...annnddd Stevie avoids the question.

I know one thing, your own stated principles, “no stealing”, “morals before law” don't jive too well with supporting CFK's government.

Could that just be bullsh!t, you're just a jealous hater of Anglos ??

“...we are all brothers and sisters” in SA

“keep the Brits far away from our homes”
57 Captain Poppy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 09:00 pm Report abuse
Troy.....I say this without any racism, but I think all the troll posters here that hate Anglos, Europeans, North Americans, except Mexicans are Amerindians or at least part. Funny though I met some Guarani's up north in Missiones and they hated on one group and I can tell you it was a group inside Argentina.
58 Stevie (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
I only hate morally depraved people.
You just tend to overrepresent them...

Hate is a strong word though, a laugh in your face is a far better cure...
59 yankeeboy (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
I think it comes from watching Patoruzito while they were growing up.
60 Anglotino (#) Dec 30th, 2013 - 11:04 pm Report abuse
Jonaz_BsAs - another one who has promised to leave and never return.

It is interesting that you complain about the standard of commentary on here but I have failed to notice you contributing to the more than a dozen articles that are open for comment.

For every thread that people like Nostrils and Stevie comment on, I comment on three.

Some of the highlights of your contribution on this single article:
“It's not helpful to glee over other people's misfortune. However mismanaged, most people will defend their country when put down by foreigners, thus rendering a comment like yours counterproductive. ”

“Your assertion that “Argentineans have the country they deserve” is not helpful at best and destructively ignorant worst.”

“Lobbing insults isn’t helpful and in your posts you come along as being ethnocentric or even racist”

“if your prime motive is to insult citizens of foreign nations from the comfort of your own home, it seems as if you have found a perfect venue.”

Oh sorry I am mistaken you have contributed:
“I am so happy I got my a** out of this poor excuse of a country.”
en.mercopress.com/2013/10/24/parallel-dollar-holiday-in-argentina-until-after-sunday-s-election-is-anticipated#comment282604

“The sun also rises over basket case Argentina.”
en.mercopress.com/2013/10/24/argentina-takes-full-control-of-railway-line-following-a-second-crash-in-18-months#comment282596

Hmm so Argentina to you is a “poor excuse of a country” and a “basket case”

Yes, I can see now that that my comment that Argentineans have the country they deserve was so unhelpful and “destructively ignorant” compared to your constructive and sensitive suggestions.
61 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 10:15 am Report abuse
In summary, citizens lit the fire in Argentina that has caused the climate today.
The problem is our traditional “lack of inherent wisdom” to foresee that we were standing above the fire and therefore, set our own trap in this inferno.

voxxi.com/2013/12/30/heat-wave-argentina-protests/
62 Jonaz_BsAs (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 11:51 am Report abuse
@Anglotino

Since you made such a valiant effort in looking up my former comments (never is a mighty long time ☺ - I actually didn’t say that, but whatever..), I´ll come back for this one comment:

I have spent the majority of my adult life working, living and investing in Argentina. I understand how Argentina works (or doesn’t, rather) and I have the scar tissue to show for it.

What had the potential of being the most interesting English speaking discussion board regarding Argentina has apparently become a place where fanatics from both sides (pro/con Argentina) come to “duke it out”. Several of the commenters seem to have no other motivation when commenting on this board than insulting other commentators, which is an awfully bad place to start if you are want to learn something from interesting discussions.

Argentines who are lamenting the sorry state of their country – like I do – are mostly motivated by the enormous untapped potential and will often display a love/hate relationship with their fatherland. But still it is home, so when foreigners, with apparent shallow knowledge and dubious motivation, turns message boards like this one into a childish “my country is better than yours” competition, I head for the door. Others may opt to defend what really cannot be defended.

Any person with a mental age above 16 knows that you can’t compare Argentina with Western Europe, Australia or USA with regards to human development indices. So why even bother? Does it make yourself feel better when taking a crap on a clearly worse run country than your own? If so, doesn’t that say a whole lot about you?
63 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 12:53 pm Report abuse
the enormous untapped potential

which won't be realized until and unless you wipe the Peronistas off the face of the earth.

Look for the Rg Pinochet my friend it is your only solution.
64 MagnusMaster (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@63 “which won't be realized until and unless you wipe the Peronistas off the face of the earth.”

You know that would be genocide, right?
65 yankeeboy (#) Dec 31st, 2013 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.
Plus Arg did it before just not thorough enough.
66 Stevie (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 02:25 pm Report abuse
yanqui
One could also argue that breaking your skull would be a win for world peace... forget the eggs...
67 ChrisR (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
We are all Chavez now:
voxxi.com/2013/12/09/sara-manuela-daughter-hugo-chavez/

I just love this, especially the comments by his (many) women, even “chicken or beef” gets a look in.
68 Leiard (#) Jan 01st, 2014 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
Another article worth reading

“Heat wave in Argentina, the real new inferno for 2014”

voxxi.com/2013/12/30/heat-wave-argentina-protests/

Veronique ....... She lives since 1996 in Buenos Aires as a single mom with her two young sons.
69 Evil Colonialist Pirate (#) Jan 02nd, 2014 - 07:35 pm Report abuse
Thank goodness the Falkland Islanders don't live in that basket case country...

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