Friday, January 3rd 2014 - 05:56 UTC

Falklands' war Regan/Thatcher fake tape had CIA and MI6 in disarray for months

A fake tape of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher arguing over the Falklands War had the British secret services scrambling to identify the culprits, archive files released Friday showed. The tape, supposedly a telephone recording of then US president Reagan and the British prime minister, was anonymously sent to several Dutch newspapers during the 1983 UK general election.

A clumsy operation to tarnish two strong dedicated allies

 The transcript claimed the US president urged Mrs. Thatcher “to control yourself”, to which the Iron Lady responded: ”We have to use violence (on Argentina). At this moment it is being used to punish them as quickly as possible.“

The staccato exchange allegedly began: ”R: I urge you to control yourself. That's absolutely necessary, for otherwise the area will be devastated.

“T: Listen, our goals are completely different.

”R: Why was the Belgrano destroyed? You gave the orders to do it. The Argentines were leaving at the time.”

The tape was constructed by cutting up and reassembling sound clips of the two leaders.

The British punk-rock band Crass admitted making the tape -- but that was only after it was taken seriously enough that the CIA and Britain's MI6 had sought to establish whether the Soviet Union or Argentina was behind it.

A letter sent by a Foreign Office adviser to Thatcher informed her of the tape and who MI6, (Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, SIS), thought was behind it.

It said the British embassy in The Hague had passed the tape to London.

“This looks like a rather clumsy operation. We have no evidence so far about who is responsible,” it said.

“SIS doubt whether this is a Soviet operation. It is possible that one of the Argentine intelligence services might have been behind it; or alternatively it might be the work of left-wing groups in this country.”

Another Foreign Office briefing, on April 6, 1984 said neither British intelligence or the CIA thought the Soviet Union's KGB secret service was behind it, “but further analysis would have required a disproportionate commitment of resources which even CIA felt unable to contemplate”.

The papers have been declassified after 30 years in the UK National Archives.

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1 Marcos Alejandro (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 06:05 am Report abuse
“The video have been declassified after 30 years in the UK National Archives”
About time.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJh0m0E7Ozg
2 Mr Ed (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 07:22 am Report abuse
Oh the old canard about the sinking of the Belgrano, which, trying to prosecute a Fascist genocide against the harmless Falkland Islanders, met a fate which even the Argentine Navy Chief of Staff admittted it deserved.

www.lanacion.com.ar/700676-cartas-de-lectores
3 GFace (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 01:50 pm Report abuse
No doubt this hoax will be part of tanshirt Axel Org's “careful” “research.” Extra bonus since it includes Thacher and the Malvanazi Goodship Lollipop in a single breath. After all the b**** brought it on herself. She should have “negotiated” with her people's rapist.
4 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 02:11 pm Report abuse
1 Mark Ass

Power restored in your neighbourhood, I see.
5 yankeeboy (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 02:42 pm Report abuse
4. Nah, Toby is on a 13 hr bus ride to the coast so somebody had to take-up the crazy.
Peso is 13.25 in Uruguay!
Lights/Water still off in BA and GBA neighborhoods
K Thugs beating reporters
K Thugs/Minions vacationing with convicted criminals
Lovely place
6 Conqueror (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
@1 How kind of us to wait 30 years to show what toe-rags you are. A useless argie tin can LEGALLY sunk. Warned that anything posing a risk to the Task Force would be attacked wherever it was. Admitted by the Belgrano captain and the argie Defense Ministry before it was taught to lie. What a shame that HMS Conqueror wasn't fast enough to catch and sink the rest of the fleeing argie “fleet”. Little thought. The ROYAL NAVY stayed on station despite its losses. It's called “courage”. A British attribute!
7 Heisenbergcontext (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 03:38 pm Report abuse
How very... crass.
8 Troy Tempest (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 06:03 pm Report abuse
5 Yankeeboy

Stevie put in a lot of overtime this holiday, I suppose the rest of the 'Comical Ali' cadre of posters will be taking their turns now.

It's amusing how they work out their holidays each Christmas, and BK fills in at the office to make sure everything is covered.

Stevie was a bit 'overburdened' this year - I doubt he'll see a next year.
9 rupertbrooks0 (#) Jan 03rd, 2014 - 06:39 pm Report abuse
7 Heisenbergcontext

HaHaHa, Yeah, very good.
10 GeoffWard2 (#) Jan 04th, 2014 - 08:50 am Report abuse
George Berger rehashed this Crass spoof in 2006 to sell his book.
They thought they were doing good-anarchist-things at the time. Steve Ignorant probably still thinks he 'did right'.
Even at the time it was all so terribly amateur.
11 Pete Bog (#) Jan 05th, 2014 - 11:44 am Report abuse
“R: Why was the Belgrano destroyed? You gave the orders to do it. The Argentines were leaving at the time.”

It was a threat to the British task force-interesting that if it had been the US Navy they would have taken out all of the Argentine ships and hit the mainland.

It was a good thing that Casper Weinberger was the one guy in that administration who saw the Argentines for what they were.

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