Wednesday, March 19th 2014 - 06:59 UTC

Venezuelan congress wants opposition lawmaker on trial for 'treason'

Venezuela's Congress on Tuesday requested a criminal investigation of opposition deputy Maria Corina Machado for crimes including treason in relation to her involvement in anti-government protests that have left at least 28 dead.

The move against María Corina Machado comes a month after the arrest of opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez

 Machado, a 46-year-old engineer, has been one of the most visible leaders of six weeks of opposition demonstrations against President Nicolas Maduro that have unleashed the country's worst unrest in a decade.

Ruling Socialist Party legislators, who hold a majority of the seats, voted to ask the state prosecutor to investigate Machado for offenses that range from damaging buildings to inciting civil war.

“We will not permit impunity. We will ensure revenge for those deaths. We will ensure these deaths will be paid for,” said legislator Tania Diaz of the ruling Socialist Party. “Anyone who violates the right to life is violating the constitution.”

The move comes a month after the arrest of opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez, who along with Machado launched a national movement at the start of the year under the banner “The Exit” that is meant to help end 15 years of socialist rule.

Tuesday's theatrical session included a slick video of Machado's anti-government activism of the last decade that highlighted her links to the United States, the Venezuelan government's ideological adversary.

A stone-faced Machado shook her head as legislators rattled off accusations, with some legislators chanting “justice, justice.” A Machado aide said she would hold a press conference later in the evening.

Machado cannot be tried without approval from both the state prosecutor and the Supreme Court, and another assembly vote as to whether she should be stripped of her parliamentary immunity, according to a constitutional lawyer.

Decisions by the courts and the state prosecutors' office have frequently been in line with the party, meaning the process could take place quickly.

Machado, elected to Congress in 2010, is frequently pilloried by Chavez supporters as an out-of-touch elitist whose wealthy background makes her incapable of relating to the country's poor.

She rose to prominence in 2003 through an organization that helped the opposition gather signatures for what would ultimately be a failed recall referendum in 2004 against the late socialist leader Hugo Chavez.

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1 zathras (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 08:49 am Report abuse
Nicolas Maduro really has no clue how democracy works.
Freedom of speech allows people with different views to express themselves. Just like this forum, here.
So the Venezuela, don't like what they are hearing, so lets lock up the oppositions.
Of course if you remember illegal invasion of the Falklands by Argentina they suppressed free speech then too. Deporting people they did not like and taking over the radio station at gunpoint.
2 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 09:50 am Report abuse
Maduro really does not understand democracy - or if he does understand it, he rejects it.
He appears to me to be an unstable demagogue, all too ready to eliminate those who might stand against his form of control.
3 Anglotino (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 10:24 am Report abuse
Venezuela's government turns further towards fascism.
4 Mendoza Canadian (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 11:27 am Report abuse
I have said all along that they will eliminate the opposition entirely, and at one point there will be only one name on the ballots. Just like Cuba. And 100% of the people will vote for the winner!!! And everyone will be so happy...and oil will flow in the streets...
5 Klingon (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 12:05 pm Report abuse
So much for democracy.
Unbelievable how the toothless peasants still support him in the hopes of a free handout.
Much like what goes on in Argentina
6 ChrisR (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
MADuro has far more to worry about if current reports are true than a female engineer (she at least HAS a functioning brain).

Perhaps there will be another “shot heard around the world” that heralds independence from the Cubans only this time it won't be fired into the air.
7 GFace (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 01:36 pm Report abuse
@3. “Further?”
8 ElaineB (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 02:18 pm Report abuse
Cuba in controlling Maduro so his methods are predictable. He is a very worried man with every reason to be. All the time he can continue to bribe the military he can stay in power but if the opposition buy them…… So, there can be no opposition.
9 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 03:26 pm Report abuse
I remember her...Very vocal and brave woman

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar5qvetvAZ4
10 Stevie (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
Democracy is what happened in Iraq, remember?

Stop using the word, it's too big for your mouths...
11 GFace (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 05:44 pm Report abuse
While you are just peachy keen with your favorite fascist brownshirts with guns shooting anti-Maduro protesters from motorbikes and then being filmed going back into Maduro's military bases. Eh, Stevie.
12 Conqueror (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 06:25 pm Report abuse
Shoot Maduro! And Stevie. (Loud-mouthed little ignorant twat.)
13 ilsen (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 06:33 pm Report abuse
This is a disgusting abuse of power.

This is VeneCuba.

This is a disgrace.

Shame on you.
14 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 07:39 pm Report abuse
In the “democracy” of MADuro, it suffices to express an opinion contrary to the government's, and you'll be arrested and threatened with the firing squad.....
It is YOU Stevie @10, that has it all wrong.....“”Stop using the word, it's too big for your mouths..“”....you poor little chicken shiite....
15 Stevie (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
I do not agree with everything that is happening in Venezuela and I do think Maduro should have treated Things differently, but you lot, defender of Nazis and prepared to accept the hiring of snipers to kill civilians as long as your ideology is protected, aren't anybody to criticise anyone...

Fact is, you all agree with the killing of oppositors in order to impose ones will...
16 ElaineB (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 08:13 pm Report abuse
@15 Oh, stop being so ridiculous and grow up. Who are you referring to when you say “you lot” because it sounds like you hate the world and everything in it. Posters have disparate views so who exactly are you referring to?

You sound more like TTT every day.
17 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 08:16 pm Report abuse
16

Stevie is far worse than TTT...he is a first class hypocrit. Toby says what he thinks and he stands for it. Stevie is a irritating ideological prostitute.
18 Anglotino (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 09:02 pm Report abuse
Stevie lives in the west so is part of us lot and hence part of the problem.
19 ilsen (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 09:04 pm Report abuse
Stevie@bedwetter.com is irritating full stop.
But no more than that. He just seeks attention.
Just treat him as the bluebottle fly that he is.
20 Stevie (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
Elaine, you lot is you lot, posters on MP that defends the Nazi coup makers in Ukraine and the hiring of snipers to kill innocent people.

Why is it you don't condemn this acts? Can it be because it suits your ideological belief?
21 toooldtodieyoung (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
20 Stevie

“Why is it you don't condemn this acts?”

Don't you mean “Why is it you don't condemn THESE acts?”

What's it wiv you Stevie? Why is it that you can't write the proppa English innit?
22 ElaineB (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 09:14 pm Report abuse
@20 Who exactly are you addressing as 'you lot'. You use that expression all the time but aim it randomly.

I thought this thread concerned Venezuela. Keep up.
23 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
@15 Stevie, “”....but you lot, defender of Nazis and prepared to accept the hiring of snipers to kill civilians.....“””
I presume we are all talking about what going on in VZ and nowhere else....In this case , pls clarify :
1) WHO are the Nazis ?? and WHO is defending them ??
2) WHO is hiring snipers to kill civilians ??
Don't you see how ridiculous you sound ?? If anyone is acting like the Nazis, it is your darling MADuro, and he and his corrupt government are the ones hiring thugs to go around shooting civilians...or do you think it is the civilians that hired the thugs to shoot them ??
Wake up, it's MADuro killing the civilians, because he is a mad, raving lunatic...a guy who speaks to a bird on his shoulderr needs to be put away...or go back to driving a bus...
24 Stevie (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
Elaine, this threads are one way traffic.

Try to keep up with the oncoming traffic...

Tool
These acts indeed.
Now, care to condemn?
25 ElaineB (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
@24 I have no idea what you are raving about.

@23 Maduro is not so much mad as seriously out of his depth and terrified. He has no idea what he is doing but takes instruction from Cuba. The economy is shot. It is going to get a lot worse. At the moment the military are taking enough by way of bribes to offer him some protection. (There are some seriously rich military leaders now) But bought loyalty is not real loyalty.
26 ilsen (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
@ ElaineB
Thank you for your posts on this thread. With your succinct comments you have cut to the chase (and saved me a lot of laborious typing!).

Meanwhile, here is a lovely photo of a lovely venezuelan girl enjoying something her father's 'fellow' Bolivarian revolutionaries will never beable to enjoy.

cloud-1395113520-cache.cdn-cachefront.net/foto-mientras-los-venezolanos-se-hunden-en-la-miseria-la-hija-de-diosdado-se-retrata-en-el-palacio-de-versalles/#.UyibYxNq5xk.twitter

oh the hubris!
27 ElaineB (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 11:20 pm Report abuse
@26 Only this week I was talking to a friend and journalist just back from Venezuela on the Colombian border. My friend had a gun levelled at them by one of the paid thugs in uniform. It is far worse than many of the news channels would have you believe.
28 Stevie (#) Mar 19th, 2014 - 11:53 pm Report abuse
I bet the Brazilian that was murdered by the English police in the tube had a lot of friends as well...
29 GFace (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 01:07 am Report abuse
@27 Well we've seen what happens to news channels that... well sucks... report the news there. The Eason Jordan doctrine is alive and well in Caracas, including the ever lauded Auntie Beeb it seems. Gotta keep the reporter on the ground.. not that they'll be able to report anything and still be allowed on the ground. It's not about journalism, it's about “being there” for the people in marketing.
30 Heisenbergcontext (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 05:41 am Report abuse
I hope Ms Machado avoids the fate of Judge Maria Lourdes Afiuni.
31 ElaineB (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 01:06 pm Report abuse
@28 Randomly spitting bile again. You just hate the world, don't you?
32 Stevie (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 02:57 pm Report abuse
Nah, don't project your flaws on the entire World...
33 ElaineB (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
@32 My personal flaws? Or are holding me personally responsible for everything you don't like in the world, which seems to be a lot?

Take the chip off your shoulder, stand up and try to take responsibility for your own misfortunes. I assume they are plentiful as you are so bitter about everything.
34 ilsen (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
I get a lot of first hand information direct from my family, friends and business contacts within Venezuela.
Yes. It's far worse than what makes the mainstream media.

It's horrendous. Schools and businesses are closed. Extremely restricted public transport. Serious food shortages.

Fear and repression everywhere.
35 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
34 Time for the Michoacan alternative in Venezuela I’m afraid…

You will need to get a vigilante group to defend the community. Have your own vegetable garden and barter clubs. Pay no more taxes and start over from cero again.
36 Stevie (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 08:15 pm Report abuse
Not at all, I just dislike you lot.
Now, don't project that on the rest of the World.

Not its fault.
37 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 08:27 pm Report abuse
34

There is plenty of good WTSHTF literature in the web. You need to stock up on guns, ammunitions, meds, oil, fuel, non perishables, water, etc.

Civilization can actually implode itself back into the Stone age. Thats what might occur in Venezuela and Argentina.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PcaciZean4
38 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 10:30 pm Report abuse
Stevie, why don't you answer the questions in #23..or have you realized that the shit you post makes absolutely no sense ??
Forget Stevie, not worthwhile paying attention to him.
But, back to VZ....I've got a friend who is the president of a large shipping agency, with container depots and cold storage terminals at the main ports....the only way to do business is to keep the military happy...bribes and more bribes,,,,and I wouldn't be surprised if it's not one of these men, getting more powerful by the day, that doesn't eventually get rid of Maduro. Only problem though, it could be tantamount to changing 6 for half-a-dozen...
39 ilsen (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 10:45 pm Report abuse
The ever increasing wealth of the top military echoleons is actually a barrier to political change. A Cuban puppet like Maduro is financially convenient.

No need to get rid of Maduro for these guys.

CURRENTLY!!!!
40 Stevie (#) Mar 20th, 2014 - 11:32 pm Report abuse
Bauer

Here they are the ones you lot defend

www.euronews.com/2014/03/19/ukranian-tv-boss-assaulted-and-forced-to-resign-by-far-right-svoboda-mps/

The man with the ponytail is nobody else than Igor Mirosjnitjenko, vice chairman of the commitee of freedom of opinion.

You bunch of Nazi lovers...
41 GFace (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 12:06 am Report abuse
@38 Anything Little Stevie Brownshirt can do to distract from his fascist heroes now desperately arresting mayors that got more votes than their “elected” president did even with the CNE in their back pocket.
42 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 12:13 am Report abuse
US lap dogs and Nazi lovers, that sums you lot up...
43 GFace (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 12:30 am Report abuse
Oh you're so cute in your brownshirt and short pants pretending your a man.... with your Cuban supported heroes arresting people who got more votes than they did... Stevie Just a reminder: Ceballos: 67% of the vote. Scarano: 75%..... and your golden boy with the birdy Maduro? a “whole” whopping supermajority of “50.6%.” Have the people behind you? Oppose someone who got way fewer votes? Go to jail. Whose the good little Nazi? yes yes yes.... good boy... Stevie... You keep fetching the ball for them, Stevie, there's no one here to pretend you're a human rights supporter, or even to pat you on your square little fascists head.
44 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:19 am Report abuse
Oh, and here I sat thinking those two were arrested for failing to obey the law and stop the guarimbas that are crippling parts of Venezuela. By Court order.

You really have an issue with democracy, don't you, you little Nazi lover...
45 GFace (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:58 am Report abuse
Oh the little brownshirt cabana boy for Havana is pretending to think. What, did you have to google it to see what your talking points were? How cute. People who get 67% & 75% supporting their people protesting what is now unmistakably a naked dictatorship and their armed motorcycle riding thugs, clamping down on what free press exists still in VZ, and *I* have an issue of democracy.. Each with votes than Maduro can get when in control of the government and they STILL are not “democratic.” While you stroke yourself at the thought of arresting people who disagree with you AND who got more votes than your idols WITH the fixeroo in.... What a sad little fascist looser you are.... And there will be more arrests by your favorite fascists of democratically-elected thought-criminals for the crime of siding with the little-p people rather than the capital-P People in Havana calling the shots. Good little fascist Stevie. Good boy. If there weren't so many shortages in Caracas I'm sure they'd give you a cookie, or a roll of toilet paper.
46 ilsen (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:38 am Report abuse
Stevie Bedwettter just wants attention, knows nothing of Venezuela and only seeks to distract. He will be delighted that I even mentioned him.

on topic I am told that the Mayor of Merida is threatened with arrest now for failing to stop the protests.
The fact that he's with opposition parties has no bearing claimed central Gov.
47 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:59 am Report abuse
Gface
You mean that if you get enough amount of votes as a major, you are allowed to set the law aside? Seems that's not the case in Venezuela...
48 Heisenbergcontext (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:36 am Report abuse
@47 Stevie

Maria Afiuni applied the law when she released a prisoner who had been held on remand for three years. The law says a prisoner cannot be held for more than two without facing court. She was promptly arrested for doing so. Tortured and raped whilst in detention.

How many unsolved homicides occur in Venezuela every year? And you/they're worried about whether a Mayor prevents a protest or not? Interesting set of priorities...
49 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:31 am Report abuse
Personally I don't think we should engage with Stevie - he is too good at trolling.
But he is only a good troll if you let him be.
There are a good many people to whom I rarely respond (y'know, even a regular troll can make the occasional good point).

There is plenty to discuss in each Mercopress topic without resorting to responding to troll-postings.
50 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:35 am Report abuse
Was she tortured and raped?

I didn't know this...

By whom?
51 Leiard (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:41 am Report abuse
@50

“Was she tortured and raped?”

www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/18/joint-icj-hrw-statement-judge-afiuni-human-rights-council
52 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:48 am Report abuse
By inmates...

They should process those inmates for their crimes.

That is NOT i order.
53 Heisenbergcontext (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:35 am Report abuse
@52 Stevie

The director of the prison in which Judge Afiuni was detained, Isobel Gonzalez, called for an investigation into the Judge's claims. She said she hoped to prove the rape claim was false. She also stated her intention to have Maria Afiuni with criminal defamation.

To date, to the best of my knowledge, no investigation has been instigated.

Before her incarceration Maria Afiuni was an attractive, vibrant looking woman. Much like Maria Corina Machado...

@49 Geoff

That's probably excellent advice, but sometimes I just can't help myself.
54 ilsen (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:08 pm Report abuse
Approximately 20000 unsolved homicides in Venezuela per year.

Chavistas in power for the last 15 years.

No further comment.
55 GFace (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:41 pm Report abuse
@49 The mask is off Stevie and his PSVU fascist heroes, Geoff, the clear glass of chunky milk, gold fish and pledge paddle is out for all to see and he drinks it down like a desperate fratboy desperately looking to “belong” and a chance to make it with a sloppy-drunk passed out sorority girl. Chicks dig angry revolutionaries.

His favorite fascists whose president pretends to have won a “50.6%” (0h yes, of course he did) has criminalized any protest from the opposition (a fundamental human right that of course pro-government protesters will ALWAYS have), paralyzed the free press, deployed brownshirts on bikes with guns, and are arresting elected officials who the fascist PSUV party has been LONG trying rid themselves of AND got WAY more votes than Maduro ever did (even with the CNE fraud) -- and of course the cherry on top: holding fast Putinesque “elections” with the CNE fixers on the scene, and of course we know what campaigning for the oppositions will be seen as by the fascists in Caracas and their masters in Havana who are calling the shots.

Just imagine if G.W. ChumpyBushMcHitlerburten “legally” banned protests in San Francisco and Berkley and then arrested the mayors before they ran for governor like our current batch of VZ arrestees were on track for doing, And that's before our yanqui inept but mythical dorktator closed NPR, CNN, MSNBC, barred Mother Jones, the Nation and the Washiontgon Post from buying press supplies, throttling Twitter feeds, expelling Auntie Beeb and Fox “News.” Stevie would be not-so-law-and-ordery then would he?

...And the whole world is sees them for what they are: goose-stepping step-n-fetchit valets for Havana. And Stevie gets off on it except for the fact that he no longer can pretend to care about “The People”, but as he always has just openly wish he too could jail, beat up and murder people who disagree with him.. But he's too much of a p*ssy. He's just zit-faced Rick from The Young Ones. Nothing more.
56 ilsen (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 03:43 pm Report abuse
Agreed
57 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 03:53 pm Report abuse
@40 Stevie...I am NOT defending any nazi inspired politicians ;
In my#23, I was questioning your obvious confusion and incapacity to express yourself @15, and wanted to see how you'd sneak out the back door to avoid answering..... you started talking about VZ & Maduro, and then, without ANYBODY having mentioned the Ukraine, you swing away from the topic at hand, and without any clear indication, start blabbing about the Nazis in The Ukraine....
@51 Leiard....even after the article in yr#51, Stevie still believes that the OTHER INMATES should be prosecuted ??? WRONG STEVIE ...the SOB's who should be prosecuted are the authorities who threw her in jail, without a valid reason, without a trial and without the minimum safety standards . Hugo Chavez is already dead, so he can't pay for his crimes, but there are many of the culprits still hanging around , holding onto Maduro's short and curlies....It may take some time, but these SOB's WILL pay.
58 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 04:09 pm Report abuse
55 GFace (#)
'@49 The mask is off Stevie and his PSVU fascist heroes, Geoff, the clear glass of chunky milk, gold fish and pledge paddle is out for all to see and he drinks it down like a desperate fratboy desperately looking to “belong” and a chance to make it with a sloppy-drunk passed out sorority girl. Chicks dig angry revolutionaries.'

???
I'm a bit mystified
59 GFace (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 05:21 pm Report abuse
@58 (Well Geoff, we can tell where we each went to college now, can we? :-) Stevie's the stereotypical college radical wannabe. I remember how cool they thought they were always with the latest cause, always with the right talking points to defend communists and aithoritarians when they was wearing red jackboots after labor day and if they spouted anti-western anti-American/British party lines fascists and thugs brown jackboots suddenly became the rage. Always on cue, always on script, and never contrarian to the party line that insisted that boots on the human face are AWESOME if the wearer says Death to the West/America/Britain/Israel no matter what illiberal and thuggish things they do (the latter is a feature, not a fault). No different than the ultimate college establishment: worst of the stereotypical fraternities and sororities with their belonging ceremonies doing whatever it took to stay in the club and get laid every weekend from their associate stock.

As a Brit, perhaps you can better relate to this? I know Stevie can! Cause we all know chicks dig a People's Poet...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZnnkJxoC8

@57... For his snap “referendum” Putin brought in pantomime observers from a politically “diverse” range of thug organization both Fascist and Marxist in Europe, but if course tyranny is all of off the same plate. Do you want red, brown or green sauce with that club? No matter, it all tastes like sh*t for small-l liberals and ambrosia for fascists like Stevie And of course Putin's Russia is looking more after an Orthodox flavor of fascism. Two words: Pussy Riot. And he calls *us* Nazis. Oh the projection!
60 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 07:01 pm Report abuse
@59, Stevie seems to be some inexperienced idealist that has no notion how the real world works...it's fashionable in these S.America pseudo-democracies, when you have a large bank account (obviously Stevie doesn't, but he'd like to) , to publicly support the leftist presidents , preach to the poor how you sympathize with them, but yet do absolutely nothing for them....Brazil is full of these parasites..mainly, the so-called “artists” and “intellectuals”, who love to give OTHER people's money away...fake liberals. They sucked up to Lula, they still do with Dilma, and do it to remain popular with their ignorant public. Stevie is all that, without the fame, without the money.
61 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
Machado was offered Panamas seat in the OAS to address the view of the ones burning the streets in Venezuela.

3 members voted for (Panamá, USA and Canada?).
22 members voted against.
9 members abstained.
62 Evil Colonialist Pirate (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 11:20 am Report abuse
Democracy at work in a Latin American banana republic.
63 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
““We will not permit impunity. We will ensure revenge for those deaths. We will ensure these deaths will be paid for,” said legislator Tania Diaz of the ruling Socialist Party. “Anyone who violates the right to life is violating the constitution.””
It's the pot calling the kettle black...
Any excuse, no matter how unfounded or ridiculous, is sufficient for Maduro's “democracy” and the Socialist Party to get get rid of opposition.
Even 'thinking' differently is reason enough to be jailed without an accusation.....Definitely a democracy, LATAM style.
64 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:55 pm Report abuse
This is the 'DoubleThink' and 'DoubleSpeak' of Orwell's 1984.
65 Chicureo (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 09:10 pm Report abuse
Economist Milton Friedman once quipped that if Saudi Arabia ever went socialist, there would be a shortage of sand. The same can be said of Venezuela's supply of sugar .
66 ilsen (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 12:02 am Report abuse
Returning to the article above. ....

I am getting reports that MCM (Marina Machado) has returned from her trip to the US etc.
AND THAT SHE HAS BEEN DETAINED AT THE AIRPORT.

The fig leaf of democracy has fallen. Venezuela is a dictatorship.
67 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 10:12 am Report abuse
Of course this opponent to the 'state' is being imprisoned - that's what happens in a dictatorship!
She will eventually be quietly killed, and the streets will be full of people cheering their great leader.

Just be glad that you and I don't live there
- with my outspokenness I would undoubtedly be in the next cell.
68 ilsen (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 10:48 am Report abuse
I do live there! Well, about 3 months of the year and a few years ago we had plans to make it almost permanent. Now we are looking at try to get as many of our extended family out as we can.

Update on Maria (MCM).
Thankfully only briefly detained at CCS airport, BUT to be informed that her parliamentary immunity has been removed.
Then released to rapturous welcome by her supporters.

This is bullying on a grand scale. I give it a week before she is incarcerated on some trumped up charges. Like the two Mayors; without a formal trial.

Maburro running scared and that psychopath Diosdado screaming for heads on platters.
Still no food in the shops..... eventually even the poor will get sick of these Boli-bourguosie gangsters.
69 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
Kind of amazing that the only ones complaining about “no food in the stores” are the poor little rich ones.
One would think they would be the ones most affected by the shortages...
70 Heisenbergcontext (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:43 pm Report abuse
@69 Stevie

Yeah right Stevie. I've seen footage from when Chavez was still around. Queue's round the block. The people complaining about this weren't 'poor little rich ones'. In fact I'd say your own salary would far exceed even well-off Venezuelans for that matter.

“Back in the U.S.S.R. don't know how lucky you are babe...”
71 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:49 pm Report abuse
You mean the people that put him straight back to power after the coup against him?
72 Heisenbergcontext (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 03:37 pm Report abuse
“Don't tell my mother...” hosted by Diego Bunuel ( grandson of Luis Bunuel ). Nice guy. Produced by National Geo. The episode was produced a few years ago. And he didn't ask who they voted for. Didn't have to.
73 ilsen (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
Maybe the poor are more accustomed to the grinding poverty?

They will always vote for who-ever gives a free hand-out.

Chavismo has had 15 years to fix this, along with the highest oil-revenues per barrel the country has ever seen.

So where is the money?

The poor are deliberately kept uneducated lest they turn into 'poor little rich kids'. something the regime could not abide.
It's the economy, stupid!
74 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 05:13 pm Report abuse
Ilsen #68
Fine insight.
All the best; I will continue passing on the messages.
Good luck.
75 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 05:38 pm Report abuse
Here Ilsen

venezuelanalysis.com/news/social-programs?page=10
76 Leiard (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 05:48 pm Report abuse
@75
That wonderful impartial analysis site.
77 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:08 pm Report abuse
A bunch of Americans.

You disqualify every source I give you, even though I choose sources from your side on purpose...
78 Leiard (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
@77

Sounds more like the socialists workers party

Rachael Boothroyd is from Liverpool, Her interests include; alternative models of democracy such as the communes and workers control councils

Chris Carlson is from the United States, He has closely followed events in Venezuela since moving there in 2005, and has published work on Znet, Socialist Worker, Aporrea, and Venezuela Analysis among others

Federico Fuentes edits Bolivia Rising, is part of the Venezuela Analysis team and a regular contributor to the Australian based newspaper Green Left Weekly,

Jan Kühn lives in Berlin, He is also part of the editorial team of amerika21.de, an alternative German news website that focuses on the processes of social change and social movements in Latin America.

Tamara Pearson, previously a member of the Australian Socialist Alliance and collaborator with Green Left Weekly, has been living in Merida, Venezuela, since 2007.


Ewan Robertson is from Scotland, United Kingdom. As a student, he was involved for several years in the anti-public spending cuts and anti-war movements

Gregory Wilpert is one of the two co-founders of venezuelanalysis.com, together with Martin Sánchez, when the site launched in September 2003. Greg is a long-time activist and organizer, mostly around Latin America solidarity,
79 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
So, it would seem that representatves from the whole world agrees in where the Venezuelan oil money goes...
80 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:40 pm Report abuse
@75 Stevie....so in your opinion VZ is one big democracy, with the government giving out millions of handouts......someone has to pay for it, and it sure ain't the two-thirds of the population that live in slums....which you can clearly see at the top of the page of socialist rag Venezuelanalysis.com.....Just hope that the 350.000 kids know what to do with the 350.000 laptops....willl they thinks they are to be eaten ??
I know for a fact, that Chavez (and now, probably MADuro), used to prohibit the discharge of refrigerated containers with beef, exported from Brazil, making them pile up in Caucedo (Dominican Republic) until a couple of weeks before some public event ( an election, perhaps ?), then would let them in, distribute the beef to the starving people - for free - and then “El Presidente” would be hailed as their 'saviour'..... Real democratic concern for the people..
81 ilsen (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:24 am Report abuse
@76 & 78 Leiard
Thanks for the absolute superb come back to junior expat Stevie!
Anyone who knows about Venezuela knows about that Orwellian mouthpiece. Only Stevie would use it as a source. Proves his lack of knowledge regard Venezuela news/politics/economy etc.
Equally to Jack B!
He is so naive he thinks that everyone in any country has the same point of view. He has no concept of 'debate' nor of checking one's sources. Obviously the only education he has received is how to press google search plus prejudices!
No concept of critical analysis nor logical thinking.
Sewer rat expat Stevie. What a f*ckin joke. Nothing to contribute here.

Go away whilst the adults discuss real world matters.
82 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:31 am Report abuse
Take a look at the murder rates in socialist Uruguay.

I think you are simplifying things a bit...
83 Anglotino (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 06:44 am Report abuse
Wow same comment on 3 different threads. Just plain ran out of comebacks.
84 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:54 am Report abuse
Login fail sent me to another thread, I apologize for the double post.
85 ynsere (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:26 pm Report abuse
Every gov't has to get something right. Hitler built the Autobahns.
86 ilsen (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:42 pm Report abuse
Junior Expat Stevie new fail.

Quite a collection now.
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just in from NTN24 Twitter feed.

m.canalntn24.com/article.php?url=/node/125905

Pregnant woman shot dead in Caracas protests.
Soldier dies in Merida clashes.

I don't care what side of the political fence you sit. How can you justify this disaster?
87 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
You can't.
Hence the responsible ones that don't stop the rioting should e processed.

I think they jailed a few majors who refused to follow Court orders...
88 Leiard (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
@Stevie

So your answer is jail all the opposition and ban all protests.

Such a socialist paradise - a bit like Cuba.
89 ilsen (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:21 pm Report abuse
Stevie@bedwetter.com is incapable of debate. Time waster.

Btw one of these Mayor s was jailed with out trial.
socialist justice anyone?
90 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:31 pm Report abuse
I don't beieve you, but either way, it doesn't sound as socialist Justice.
It sounds more like US capitalism and “Gitmo” Justice...
91 Leiard (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:51 pm Report abuse
@Stevie

So your answer is jail all the opposition and ban all protests.

Such a socialist paradise - a bit like Cuba.
92 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
No Leiard.
Peaceful protests are and should always be allowed.
Protesters that put wires up and decapitates motor cyclists should indeed be jailed...
93 Leiard (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 11:12 pm Report abuse
Stevie

And your source no doubt will be - In Defence of Marxism and Venezuelanalysis.com.
94 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 11:16 pm Report abuse
www.irishtimes.com/news/world/venezuela-deaths-rise-to-8-as-unrest-claims-student-and-biker-1.1701860

www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26525145
95 La Patria (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 02:19 am Report abuse
I can't believe no one has stated the obvious......she's pretty fit!
Sorry, I'll let you get back to the serious debate
96 ilsen (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
Yup!
Very attractive lady. BRAINS and beauty.
Now please try and concentrate La Patria!
You won't see much of her now she is jailed!
Over 230,000 people elected her.
Where is their vote?
Where is their representation?
Focus boy!!
(and yes, she is lovely looking, I agree!)
But really, if you had elected her and then this?
Haven't they just cut your vocal cords out (so to speak?)

You should speak up for her!
97 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:17 am Report abuse
A vote, or 230,000 of them, doesn't give anyone a free pass and permits them not to follow the law...
Asking the international community to intervene in your own country is seen by treason in quite a few nations around.

In USA you only have to tell the truth...
98 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:18 pm Report abuse
@97 “A vote, or 230,000 of them, doesn't give anyone a free pass and permits them not to follow the law...”
OK, then pls explain why Chavez, and now Maduro will not allow the people to express their political opinions ? Don't bother answering.... it's simply because they don't like to see the truth out there , for everyone to see....the first acts of aggression were perpetrated by the Government against the people, who have had enough of an ignorant president who, despite being elected democratically (by a very slim margin) - if you can believe the election wasn't fraudulent - started acting as if he had the 'divine' right to rule...as a dictator...
99 ilsen (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 10:06 am Report abuse
And is currently ruling by decree.
100 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 28th, 2014 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
And whose 'democratic dictatorship' is now protected by the Amended Protocol 'Clause' signed off by the whole of UNASUR.

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