Friday, March 21st 2014 - 01:20 UTC

Mujica confirms Uruguay will accept Guantanamo prisoners as 'refugees'

President Jose Mujica confirmed that Uruguay has agreed with the United States to accept some prisoners held in the much-criticized detention center at the US military base of Guantanamo Bay, but he also cautioned that “everything has a bill”.

The Uruguayan president made the revelation on Thursday

Secretary of State John Kerry thanked Mujica on the phone and confirmed an invitation to the White House

 The Obama administration, which wants to close the center used to imprison people captured after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, has been talking to several countries about relocating inmates. It was an Obama election pledge to close the Guantanamo base, which for different reasons he has been unable to conclude.

“It's a request for human rights reasons,” Mujica told journalists while attending an unrelated farming event. Apparently the request is for five prisoners for a period of two years. US ambassador in Uruguay Julissa Reynoso described the prisoners as “non dangerous for the Uruguayan society”.

Mujica said Obama “has asked a bunch of countries, some sixty countries if they can take some and I told him yes.”

Guantanamo has been criticized by human rights groups, with some of its prisoners held for a decade or longer without being charged or given a trial. Opened by President George W. Bush in 2002 to hold terrorism suspects rounded up overseas, Guantanamo became a symbol of the excesses of his “war on terror.”

“They are coming as refugees and there will be a place for them in Uruguay if they want to bring their families,” said Mujica, “I was imprisoned for many years and I know how it is”, added the former guerrilla who spent 14 years in prison before and during his country's 1973-1985 dictatorship.

“If they want to make their nests and work in Uruguay, they can remain in the country”

“There are 120 people imprisoned for thirteen years: they have never been sent before a prosecutor, a judge and the US president wants to get this problem off his back. The Senate is demanding sixty things, and then he made the request”, revealed Mujica.

“I constantly hear people complaining about human rights, I'm fed up with them, this is a real human rights issue”, added Mujica in reference to the many compensation demands the Uruguayan state has faced on the issue.

Asked if he had requested the US government something in exchange, Mujica said “I don't do favors free, I pass on the bill”, but he immediately added this “has to be done because it has to be done”.

Finally the Uruguayan leader recalled that a century ago in 1914, when some anarchists were expelled from Buenos Aires the local port authorities in Montevideo didn't let them land. However then president José Batlle y Ordóñez, (the founder of modern Uruguay) got news of what had happened, and when the anarchists had left for the Canary Islands, he had them brought back and invited them to remain in Uruguay“.

US officials confirmed that talks about Guantanamo had taken place with Uruguay, but would not give more details.

”The US government maintains high level conversations with the Uruguayan government on various global affairs,“ the US embassy in Montevideo said in a statement.

”One of those has been the closure of Guantanamo, one of the Obama administration's priorities for its humanitarian implications.“

A US State Department official said that given President Jose Mujica's leadership in the region, ”the United States has engaged the government of Uruguay for help in closing the detention facility as we have engaged a range of governments.“

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said many governments, including the Organization of American States and the Latin American community, ”have called on the United States to close down the detention facility and we look forward to their continued cooperation“.

However the news triggered immediate reaction from the opposition that asked why should Uruguay act as 'jailers of the US', and if these people have committed crimes why have they not been sent to court? and under what legal framework will the operation take place.

Furthermore accepting these terrorist-suspects, only makes Uruguay part of a very serious global conflict, and 'we don't know the consequences or have an idea what this new scenario means”, said Senator Ope Pasquet.

Finally he asked if this was part of President Mujica's negotiations to be invited to the White House and have a picture taken with Obama, apparently sometime next June.

The news of the Guantanamo prisoners was announced by the weekly Búsqueda which has very good information links with President Mujica. In the piece it also mentions that Secretary of State John Kerry was on the phone last Monday to thank Mujica for accepting the proposal and confirming that President Obama will be receiving the Uruguayan president at the White House late May/early June.

Busqueda also mentioned that Mujica consulted on the Obama initiative with Cuba's Raul Castro and other undisclosed Latam presidents during the recent Celac summit in Havana. Apparently Castro agreed with the proposal.

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1 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:31 am Report abuse
No Mujica........................................................................................
2 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:50 am Report abuse
Why not Sweden accepted your scumbag terrorist parents in during the 1970s??
Now Uruguay can take a share too....

Vamos Pepe siempre con la gente
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RxrejRtrbc

eh Stevie??
3 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:54 am Report abuse
I hae no issue in accepting any enemy of he USA, that is not the problem.

The problem is that these people haven't been presented for a judge and now they face 2 years minimum in a country they never asked to go to.

Being a US jailor is sickening...
4 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:58 am Report abuse
1 Stevie

“No,
Mujica...... ”

Ha ha Stevie!

Weren't you just writing about how unfair it was to deem the Guantanamo idealists and heros, terrorists ???

Now, you don't want them in “your” country.

Hypocritical NIMBY. LOL !!
5 Oli (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:51 am Report abuse
3 Stevie

Uruguay won't be a 'U.S. jailer'. They will be free and resettled in Uruguay for a minimum two years. Just like what has occurred in El Salvador, Switzerland and Albania.

Under no circumstances would they be prisoners in Uruguay, even if the Blancos or Colorados were in power.
6 ynsere (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 03:43 am Report abuse
Uruguay has a long and proud history of granting asylum to refugees. This includes European Jews before and during WW2, anti-Peronists and Peronists in the 1950s, even a Brazilian president and many, many others. The only group that was refused asylum were Nazis after WW2 (unlike you-know-who).
Mujica has taken a traditional Uruguayan stance over this, good for him.
7 LEPRecon (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:43 am Report abuse
Poor Stevie.

Frightened because the big bad muslims are coming to Uruguay. Who knows before long it may be renamed Urugistan the new Islamic country. LOL
8 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 06:55 am Report abuse
Being forced to a country against your will and not being allowed to leave it, is to have your freedom taken away from you.

This people haven't been put in front of a judge.

I have no issues in giving them asylum,should that be their wish, but I don't think anybody asked them.

We are talkin about people that have had their freedom taken away based on Bush Jr taking the pill or not and now Uruguay serves as a US jailor to save Obamas face.

Lep
I have no problem with muslims whatsover. Uruguay is a secular nation and all religions are allowed. According to me, you lot are the aggressors against the muslims in your war for resources.
9 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:06 am Report abuse
8

Oh dear... you cant bitch against the americans about Guantánamo without been a part of it...

Would you really want Stevie is that they stay in Guantánamo provided that the US is the “bad guy”. At least Mujica needs and wants something constructive done about the issue.
Phsicology of you lefties is always so basic Stevie..... Well pretty much everything is basic about you
10 Martin Woodhead (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:07 am Report abuse
Well they cant go back to their country of orgin because they will be killed either because they are wanted or guilt by association.
Gitmo has been a disaster with either low level or completely innocent people ending up there and one of the few serious terrorists actually released to continue to murder. so worst of all possible outcomes.
11 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:09 am Report abuse
No Cabeza, either you put them in front of a judge, or you release them as the free men they should be.
If they choose Uruguay as they destination by then, they are very much welcome.
12 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:17 am Report abuse
11

Really?? Under what jurisdiction you want them to be judged ??
If they were such nice people and innocent folk how come nobody wanted them as refugees and keep an eye on them?? Not even in the Middle East?

The reality is the Americans have reasons to keep this people in custody and take information out of them. That is a fact. Now what can we actually do to make their stay more comfortable is send them to Uruguay.
13 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:27 am Report abuse
Stevie being the bright and shining star that you are, please, fill us in on the backround on the Uruguay's new residents? Battlefield boys?
I know you love the concept “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. It's a strong middle eastern way as well. Keep a close eye on them. Ah....but you can't being an ex pat of Uruguay....now can you? South America took the nazi's......why not take the terrorists.

buena suerta steven
14 Mr Ed (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:43 am Report abuse
Nice to see that he is finally concerned about the plight of people imprisoned without due process in Cuba, even if only the small part that remains outside Castro's control.
15 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:58 am Report abuse
If that people has committed any crime,bring them in front of a judge.
If they haven't, they should be released.

It's not that hard to grasp...
16 Mr Ed (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:23 am Report abuse
@ 15: It was for Mujica's mates when they executed a peasant by lethal injection during their terrorist days after they kidnapped him for stumbling across an arms cache.

But your point is correct.
17 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:41 am Report abuse
Yes, the ones responsible were tried and sentenced for killing Baez.

Fact is, the only ones that never paid for crimes commited, are the military who killed and tortured students and ideological opponents. I'm sure they should do time in jail, according to you...
18 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:47 am Report abuse
17. SOunds like you are describing Venezuela right now.

Few more dead students, oh but they are poor rich so it doesn't matter...whatever the f that means in your deluded head.
19 Conqueror (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:49 am Report abuse
@3 Hahahahahahaha. PoWs. No court. No judge. International law.
@5 Simple choice. They can be held in accordance with conditions set by the U.S. Or they can “disappear”. Ask your argie mates. They can tell you how it's done.
@8 They may warrant “asylum”. As in a mental institution. But then, so do you.
@11 Or they “disappear”.
@15 Yes. Release them. The argie way. From 20,000 feet. Through the door marked “Exit”.
20 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 12:21 pm Report abuse
Stevie I agree that they should never have made it to Cuba. I quick battlefield debriefing then a soldiers justice carried out. Unless of course they are high ranking terrorist. Then it would be a prolonged and exaggerated extraction process. Cuba is such gracious hosts for our Caribbean Naval Base.
21 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
Cap, I agree completely. Nobody would have missed them and the world would be better off.

We've missed you! Were you in BA?
22 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 12:39 pm Report abuse
Hey, Captain !!

Everything well, I hope??
23 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 12:58 pm Report abuse
You are not answering my question....under what jurisdiction are the US supposed to judge them??? US military court finds them guilty and where do they jail them??

You think the Americans are bad?? There is hundreds of clandestine prisons in continental China where organs are harvested full of political dissidents that leave Guantanamo in comparison like a 5 star Hotel.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_transplantation_in_China
www.stoporganharvesting.org/
www.prisonplanet.com/red-reign-chinas-horrific-nonconsensual-organ-harvesting-and-religious-oppression-unveiled.html

And why dont you ask the Afghans what the Soviets would have done to the same kind of prisoners, it was shoot first ask questions later. Nearly 2 million people died in that war alone
necrometrics.com/20c1m.htm#Afghanistan
Since 2001 only 20.000 max have died
24 JoseAngeldeMonterrey (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 01:44 pm Report abuse
How about the Cuban dissidents? How about the Venezuelan dissidents? Oh no. Mujica´s nothing but hot air, pure show, window dressing that fits his ideological agenda.
25 ManRod (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
“I have no issue in accepting any enemy of he USA, that is not the problem.”

You'd rather mean:

“I have no issue in supporting any enemy of the USA ,the IMPERIALIIIIISMO and bashing the USA, but when these enemies appear in my home , I cannot deny I have double moral standards and act hipocrite. Kill those btrds with fire!”

Right??? No... don't bother answer and try to justify it, you will of course deny this evident case and intent a fairy tale to make it up to something different.
26 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:01 pm Report abuse
Yankee, Troy greetings. BA is in late spring. Sort of an unexpected uptick on the business front and had some unexpected last minute travels and may be on the road again for an extended period, but all is well. Hopefully the BA trip will not be cancelled.
Not much has changed I see.......Cuntlips up to her old shit.......nothing changes. I was hoping when I checked in they may have Mussolini'ed her my now. I had to chuckled about the grain ship bottomed out in the Parana and a two month consecutive 90% drop in the trade surplus not to mention continued 6% drop in yoy exports. Excellent policies.......just damned excellent.
27 R U Kidding Me (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:05 pm Report abuse
Sounds like Uruguay is playing with fire integrating terrorists and their relatives into Uruguay society. Without merit, USA says they are harmless , but that's because they want to give their problems to someone other than the USA society, which wouldn't accept them. aka “not in my backyard” . Mujica should reconsider and let other countries take their chances with the unknown. Don't sell out Uruguay for this particular political “favor”, you may see future human rights issues redefined and cost Uruguay more than you thought. History repeats itself.
28 yankeeboy (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:28 pm Report abuse
26. Travel has not been easy the last couple of months! I've been delayed many a time.
Hopefully Spring has sprung. I noticed yesterday that the daffodils up here and I am off to the drug store for my allergy meds. That is always the real sign for me that the seasons have changed.
29 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:31 pm Report abuse
40s and better are here to stay though the other day we had wet snow/ice. I hear ya about the allergies......Clartin time of the year is fast approaching
30 Jbrenn (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 02:53 pm Report abuse
The U.S. has a history of exploiting Central and South America. This is no exception. Uruguayans have no idea what they are getting into. Guantanamo is a terrorist factory created to produce jihads for the New World Order.
31 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
I think it would be much better if all the incarcerated went back to their country of origin.
Mr Mujica thinks this is wrong. Why?
32 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 04:40 pm Report abuse
#29 that is the stupidest statement posted on the site and continues to be a stupid statement. You call it exploitation when you SA's can't seem to manage business, negotiations and any deals whatsoever.
Businesses role, and that is not the USA chico it's businesses....corporations. is to make money NOT take care of South American's. If you don't like it have Putin invest in your world. Nevermind.....because he is one step from having Russian create new history.
Learn to take care of your own and stop crying I am being exploited. You cry more that the SA women who were raped by stevie's terrorist daddie and friends.
33 Jbrenn (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 07:29 pm Report abuse
Hey Captain poppy, you smoking opium?

Uruguay is one of the safest places in the world to live - doing fine without buying into YOUR hallucinations that if Uruguayans reject a deplorable and illegal torture camp, they are somehow making a bad business decision. You must be high.

Embracing the despotic and criminal behavior of the putrid decaying empire once known as the Unites States, is worse than jumping onto the Titanic with no life boats.
34 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 07:46 pm Report abuse
32

Tell me Stevie, would you accept the Cuban and Venezuelan defectors in Uruguay too ??
35 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 08:30 pm Report abuse
Cabeza
I you expats are accepted, it can't really get worse, can it...?

“You are not answering my question....under what jurisdiction are the US supposed to judge them??? US military court finds them guilty and where do they jail them??”

How about there where they broke the law? If they did so, that is. Hard to tell when they haven't been tried...

Geoff
The US senate has some 60 demands before they are willing to empty the fascist jail called Guantánamo. One of them is that the muslims that were robed of their Liberty can't go anywhere for at least 2 years time.

My hope is indeed that Mujica le meta un dedo en el orto al imperio and release them as soon as they touch Uruguayan soil. From there they are free to stay, or go home all according to their own wishes.
36 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
29 “jbrenn”

“Guantanamo is a terrorist factory created to produce jihads for the New World Order.”

Holy f**k!!
Are you on crack ??!!

Are you really “Stevie”??
37 dab14763 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 09:54 pm Report abuse
“The problem is that these people haven't been presented for a judge and now they face 2 years minimum”

They wouldn't be going as prisoners to serve a 2 year sentence. They'd be going as refugees. I suspect the 2 years simply means that after 2 years their refugee status would be reviewed

“in a country they never asked to go to.”

As refugees presumably they can't return to their home countries and can go only to countries that are willing to accept them. If the countries that have said they are willing to accept them have each placed a limit on how many, then a way has to be found to distribute them among those countries. That will mean many going to countries that are not their first choices.

“I have no issues in giving them asylum,should that be their wish, but I don't think anybody asked them.”

Whether they are going as refugees, temporary immigrants, or permanent immigrants, they still need the consent of the host countries.

“If that people has committed any crime,bring them in front of a judge.
If they haven't, they should be released.

It's not that hard to grasp...”

You miss the point.

Of course they should be released. But released where? They can only be released to countries where they are citizens, or if it's not safe for them to go home, to countries that are willing to accept them.
38 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:04 pm Report abuse
If they don't want to go to Uruguay, who cares, they can stay where they are (maybe ) or go home and face the music, there.

Very generous offer from Uruguay to accept possible criminals, murderers, and terrorists.

They are very fortunate - and dumbass Stevie is concerned their “rights” aren't being respected ?!!

Another ( maybe the same) crackhead, entitled moron!!
39 ChrisR (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:05 pm Report abuse
“but he also cautioned that “everything has a bill”.

And there we have it, ”No Money Pepe” is so desperate for money we are going to be saddled with some Islamist extremists and the bill MAY be heavy, but not to the Yanks but the ordinary Uruguayos.

I was very near the London bombings that were done by Islam extremists of British Nationality! These deluded prats of Islam didn’t care who they murdered and for what? They claim it was because the Brits were abusing and killing Moslems, which we were, and the more Moslems we kill in the field the better as far as I am concerned. As far as I am aware ALL these people were found in the battlefields. If they are innocent WHY were they there?

But, you see “Free energy” Stevie, it is not “we” (you) that will be at risk from random bombings, is it? It will be US, the people in Uruguay and I hope, if the day ever comes that Pepe and his harridan wife will be among the innocent, because HE will be the guilty party and WE (in Uruguay) won’t need to put him on trial, we already know where the blame lies if this poorly thought out action goes ahead.
40 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
Again you are calling me an “expat” you swedish born of a terrorist tupamaro pussy ??? F*ck you...LOL you had to google foul words like ogt and vergas.

Out of your swedish pc bubble you wouldnt last a day out here you retarded wanker.

“How about there where they broke the law? If they did so, that is. Hard to tell when they haven't been tried...”

Really Pakistani law, Afghan law, Somalian law??....Wow you see the problem is that these are failed states. Pakistan is full of islamist extrimist and the west is really aiding the country to existance out of fear they hand over the bomb to Al Qaeda.

The US is at war with Al Qaeda, they are POWs until the war is finished they can keep them as long as they bloody well like. This has being ruled by the US supreme court.
41 La Patria (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:26 pm Report abuse
Tongue in cheek but Like the interns from wwII, they could be put to work on farms.......experience cultivating marijuana is a plus. Maybe mujica has spotted this opportunity to get free skilled labour and turn the country into a huge supplier
42 Stevie (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
Cabeza
You are an expat, at least be a proud one...

Kidnapping people and sending them abroad because of them defending their nation from invaders does not make them a POW.

As little as your rants makes you anything else than an expat...
43 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:00 pm Report abuse
Stevie,

Cabeza is an “expat”????

Please explain. How is he an expat? What makes you think he lives outside of Argieville?

As to you, we know you're an Argie,fake Uruguayan, yet you have no idea of the hardships of the poor in Argentina really are...
44 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 21st, 2014 - 11:02 pm Report abuse
42

You are just projecting Stevie as always.
You are bleak, dishonest, cowardly and shitty Stevie. Thats why I never liked you.
You are the only person of this forum who I feel a need of beating the shit out of. Next time you are in URU let me know I might just come by and pay you a visit. I will show you my passport if you must see.... But hell you already know Im Argentine

At least you dont deny you are...Hence you are a Swede born from a Tupamaro terrorist pussy.
This is why im so uncomfortanble for you Im a real latin american, you are not and I profundly opposite to your througback views.

They are not defending their homes, they are terrorist and islamic terrorist kill by far more muslims than any other religion or nationality

Most of these “people” are from Yemen a failed state after Saleh was deposed by the Arab spring. Al Qaeda is still battleling in the country wich has fallen apart.
projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/held/page/1

Why were these yemanese in Afghanistan ??
45 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 12:13 am Report abuse
“Everything has a bill”

- just heard on the radio, today, Mujica says he will accept refugees only if USA will release 3 Cuban prisoners in Guatanamo.
46 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 01:31 am Report abuse
#33 why are you and your slags still making it? I know you latinos are stupid and poorly educated but it is STILL called the USA. Go back to pimping out your hija..........
47 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:09 pm Report abuse
Stevie @15 : so for YOU it's a problem “”If that people has committed any crime,bring them in front of a judge.If they haven't, they should be released“””....
The notion that the terrorists locked up in Gitmo could be poor innocent victims, captured randomly by the US military, just because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, is a load of BS.
I think the best solution would be to have them tried in a US Military Court, declared guilty and then shot. The US could dismantle Gitmo and the terroriste would be dead. Problem solved.
48 La Patria (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 07:53 pm Report abuse
At least then they would have had the chance to go to trial. The cornerstone of every democratic, modern society's legal system is 'innocent until proven guilty'. Doing otherwise just questions its integrity. Exporting them questions it even further.
49 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
@48, I agree ON PRINCIPLE, that the right to defence is the cornerstone of a modern democracy's legal system....but sometimes , the perpetrators of heinous crimes, or acts of terror, when caught in the act - in my opinion - do not need to be tried...just executed.....radical ?? maybe, but I believe in an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth....no courtroom shows or legal technicalities to allow mass murderers to get away with it...
Just one question : had the 9-11 terrorists parachuted out of the two planes before impact - presuming it were possible - and captured upon landing, do you believe they should have had the right to a trial ?? I think not....they should have been be interrogated (for obvious reasons) and then executed. And, that is the kind of justice they would be able to expect if they had done their vile deed in their own country.
As far as I'm concerned, the 'right' to a trial is just a 'relative' concept...
50 ChrisR (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
@ 49 Jack Bauer

Well said, sir.
51 Jbrenn (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
#47 Hey you don know no-ting Jack - In fact neither does Captain Ay Papi, Boy Tempest or Ricardo (Dick) Cabeza. You all post like you're in the same family of lemmings.

What Stevie is talking about is due process, which is a natural right recognized by international law. Stevie is absolutely correct.

Why would Uruguay want to be partner in crime with the illegal and immoral behavior of the United States which continues to torture and deny it's Guantanamo captives of their natural rights?
52 La Patria (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 11:24 pm Report abuse
I'm not sticking up for any terrorist scum but I don't know why the rules / system should be different. Nazi criminals were tried in an era of no satellite, Internet, phone tracking and other similar technology to aid the prosecution. Surely now it must be easier than then. Richard Reid, the shoe bomber and terrorist dick, was tried in court. What is the difference between him and the others? And where do you draw the line to say what crimes don't need a trial? I just think it could a slippery slope
53 Jbrenn (#) Mar 22nd, 2014 - 11:58 pm Report abuse
#47 You don know no-ting Jack - in your opinion, terrorists “do not need to be tried...just executed.....radical” ahhh no, ignorant and illegal.

Why not get rid of courts and simply allow international lynch mob justice? No evidence needed. No need to face your accuser. Imagine the savings not having to feed and house those freaking Muslims!

Who defines what a terrorist is? What if YOU or someone in your family is accused of being a terrorist?

If you live in the United States, citizen or not, you can be picked up by a Homeland Security Ford Excursion, thrown into a prison, held indefinitely without any charges, no lawyer, no phone call, you can be tortured, and you can be murdered!

Obama signed the NDAA Bill December 31, 2011 which legalizes just that.
Who IS a terrorist? Likely You are Jack! According to the Department of Homeland Security and FBI, qualifications of a terrorist in the United States include:

Gun owners, limited government conservatives, libertarians and Christians. You are a suspected terrorist if you pay with cash instead of a credit card, are concerned about NSA spying or privacy, complain about tap water. Terrorists are familiar with GMOs and dare to believe they should be labeled or shouldn’t be consumed.

The right to a fair trial is based on natural law which is the foundation of the U.S. Constitution. When you put a criminal government in charge and give that Government the power to kill “terrorists” without due process, you give them the power to kill you.
54 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:12 am Report abuse
53

Ufff yeah whatever...Shut Stevie and keep on chupando
55 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:21 am Report abuse
#54
Don't be upset with Jbrenn, you little expat. Not his fault you lot how a total lack of sense of Justice and use democracy as referee uses a red card...
56 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 07:57 am Report abuse
Stevie

I notice that you and Marcos arrived on different threads, just 4 minutes apart, at the start of the day - same glib derision, too.
Both smarmy, cryptic, and little substance.

Something smells fishy from Denmark...
57 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 08:53 am Report abuse
Troy
I noticed you ,Poppy, Cabeza yanqui and Chris are all equally brainwashed in your approach, regardless of what we talk about.
And you know what? I couldn't care less.
As I don't care what you think of me?

Does Marcos sound like me?
Great!
Marcos must be a good man...
58 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 09:52 am Report abuse
jbrenn #53

I agree that the USA has taken powers greatly in excess of those of a civilised nation and, to some extent, it has gone beyond and way beyond its own Constitution, but if you think that Obama is excessive, the Republicans might be much, much worse.

But I don't think that this justifies in argument the Russians sweeping in and taking over part of a sovereign country; the USA stopped doing that when it took over much of Mexico in their Southern wars of annexation in the 1840s.

But now, in today's globalised world, we know better and have highly integrated economies.

In the first instance (above) , the USA may say “this is NOT what we voted for; return to the humanitarian standards of democracy embraced by our Constitution ... NOW!”.

In the second instance, the Ukrainians have no such option;
they are once more returned to functional slavery, in thrall to a foreign state [I could say much more].
59 Heisenbergcontext (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:42 am Report abuse
@47 Jack Bauer

Actually a number of inmates held in Guantanamo Bay were, in fact, innocent. The list of those deemed innocent by the Pentagon includes a 12-13 yr old who has been there nearly half his life now, and a fifteen yr 0ld boy. Two boys no older than 13 have been incarcerated along with half a dozen 15 yr olds. Another who was deemed innocent was beaten so badly he has been crippled for life ( by his account ).

In addition a number of detainees have committed suicide - since they were never charged with anything it's impossible for an objective observer to determine whether they were innocent or not.

A number of detainees are Uyghur separatists whose beef is ( was? ) with China, not the U.S. These might be ones who Uruguay have offered to take. they have proved exceedingly difficult to resettle. China wants them back.

Further to your post(s) I would suggest that summary execution of 'enemy combatants' or 'terrorists' would be guaranteed to even further radicalise the jihadist hordes thereby making the lives of American servicemen/women, diplomats and tourists abroad even more perilous than they already are.
60 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:54 am Report abuse
#58
Ukraine has no options?
They just signed an agreement with Europe...

I'd guess they have quite more options than the Palestines are been given, although I guess you wont call what Israel is doing as “annexation”, backed by the USA and Europe.

You call muslims terrorists, then you sell weapons to he most backwards muslim nation in the whole region (read Saudi Arabia). I guess when you lot scream for women right, you are not talking about certain women...

Spare me your hypocrisy...
61 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 12:32 pm Report abuse
Stevie in July I will be in Montevideo... Do you want to see my passport??
62 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 12:36 pm Report abuse
Of course, but you wont be able to use it afterwards though.
Nobody will believe you are the guy on the picture...
63 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 12:42 pm Report abuse
I will make you eat a bloody fotocopy of my birth certificate you silly and retarded moron.
64 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
Would that be a Fédération Cynologique Internationale certificate?
65 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:41 pm Report abuse
64

Callate requetepelotudo que ni en castellano sabes hablar... Tomate el palo a Suecia o a la concha de tu madre antes que me vaya para alla y te re cague bien a trompadas.
66 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:49 pm Report abuse
sabes? Aren't you Argentine? That would be sabés...
alla? That would be allá, even in Castellano...

Who will you “cagar a trompadas”?

Te lleno la cara de dedos, hasta tus nietos salen abollados...
67 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:54 pm
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68 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 01:57 pm Report abuse
común.
querés.
tenés.
sabés.
cagón.
también.
tomó.

Ex-pats never uses acentos, mainly because they never learned it at school...
69 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:02 pm Report abuse
LOL do you think that even a retired old expat would talk like this to you retard ???

Aca nadie escribe con acentos a no ser que tengas el corrector automatico en el teclado. Andate a cualquier foro o chat de la nacion y conta los acentos que faltan pelotudito...Voy a contar cada acento que me falte cada uno va ser una patada en el orto que te voy a meter boludazo..
70 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
Acá.
nación.
contá.

Comma between “falte” and “cada” (bet no one uses those either), alternative a dot and capital letter.

Take it in English, expat.
At least you know how to write in that langage... I'm amazed you didn't go “learnt”...
71 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:17 pm Report abuse
LOL I dont even use commas in english !!! There is hundred of cases here in MP where I dont use them

What has that got to do with anything, do you really think Im going to write a formal letter to you?? You are not even worth it idiot. Have you ever being to a popular of any Argentine clubs ??

Do you know how they wright and how they talk ??
You dont because the only spanish you know about is school or acchademic spanish from Europe, you have never made a living here. You are a fraud a lie. You are more fake than a trannys fanny, stevie

You are just desperate and a pathetic little troll who has lived in Sweden all his life. You are a wanker who believes in all the lies your coward parents told you. I feel sorry for you.

I was born here lived my entire life. I know what it is and how the country works.

But why would I even lie about this ?? Do you really think I would be pissed off as I am if I were an expat?? I would just go back to my own home country or elsewhere and live off my pension.
72 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:20 pm Report abuse
Don't know Cabeza, but I do know your English is better than your Spanish...
73 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:35 pm Report abuse
Thanks I actually take that as a compliment, though that is just your own pathetic self believe.... Because I would at least expect that my english when I bother to write properly and orderly is much better then my swearing Argentine spanish.

im not going to bother write a formal letter in spanish to you lest of all. I would send you to the reconcha de tu madre in spanish.
74 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:47 pm Report abuse
Formal? Acentos and commas in Spanish are formal?

First you accuse me of not knowing how to type in Spanish.
Then, after I literally show you you are the one that can't type in Spanish, you try to convince me the reason for that is that your Spanish is informal and common.

Burro.
75 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
It is informal and common. Go to any chat, forum or public sites. In Youtube you will find in trash music videos even worse writing than the insults I have given you... Go ahead.... And to all this you are the real and only expat. You are boring and dull.
76 Stevie (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
“It is informal and common. Go to any chat, forum or public sites. In Youtube you will find in trash music videos even worse writing than the insults I have given you...”

The phrase “con todo orgullo de bobo”, comes to mind...
77 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 03:04 pm Report abuse
58 Geoff Ward

Well written post.

An official Mexican Government Guide told me once that there was a lot of resentment about California being “stolen” from Mexico in war. However he said most do not realise that the US purchased California from Mexico for $50m, at the time.
78 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
Yes, Putin didn't even offer a 'Purchase', he just took it.
79 Jbrenn (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 06:44 pm Report abuse
#47 You don't know Jack -

The farce on terror at Guantanamo Bay Cuba is a disgrace of historic proportions. In 2008, the US Supreme Court ruled that detainees have the right to a habeas hearing (minimal due process, no lawyer).

Between 2008 and 2010, 50 detainee petitions were heard. After years of being in a cage without charges, 36 of the 50 were found by federal judges to be wrongfully detained!!!

In other words, 72% of Guantanamo detainees who finally were able to obtain just minimal due process (which is what a habeas hearing is) were found not guilty! Extremist jihadist terrorists exist. There are hateful radical Muslim evil doers. But the U.S. hasn't done a good job of finding them or detaining them!

Indefinite confinement without charge, without presenting evidence, without due process is a crime against humanity.
80 ChrisR (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
@ 79 Jbrenn

So what were these people doing in theatre?
81 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:08 pm Report abuse
80 ChrisR

Some of the “undeclared enemy combatants” posing as friendly local civilians, might consider themselves lucky to have gone to Gitmo.

The “spies”, terrorists, and “murderers” captured in combat and handed over to the local authorities or militias, usually ended up dead.
82 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 23rd, 2014 - 11:21 pm Report abuse
@51Jbrenn - ...Looks like you are made of the same stinky clay Stevie is....a perfect turd...; just fyi, I have the right to express my 'opinion', and couldn't care less if you disagree with it. As far as I'm concerned the Law unfortunately is full of loopholes and has proven to be quite ineffective when dealing with certain situations...But you believe that “”What Stevie is talking about is due process, which is a natural right recognized by international law. Stevie is correct.“”....

I did not deny that international law recognizes natural rights, and I'm not talking about common criminals ; and I suppose YOU think that the 20 hijackers on 9-11 recognized the right to life of their 3000 victims....exactly the same way in which suicide bombers respect the rights of THEIR victims....This IS a war, not some f*****g picnic.

Yr @53..here, you appear to be a self-righteous little prick, who likes to preach your politically correct liberal views to others ...quite frankly, people like you...are not worth their weight in sh*t.
But, may I suggest then that both you and Stevie apply for the right to take a Gitmo prisoner into your home....just remember, keep them away from your wife and daughter.....they think women are just pieces of meat to satisfy their needs...lock up your cleaning products...they're pretty handy at making bombs out of almost anything...they will never be your friend, nor will they respect you, simply because you are of a different religion...but if all that is not a problem, go ahead.

@59 Heisenbergcontext...I am aware that there is a possibility that someone could get jailed unjustly, but in a war, that is colateral damage. As to yr last paragraph, “...further radicalise the jihadist hordes”.... I find it hard to believe they could be more radical than they already are...cutting off heads of foreign reporters , televising it etc....how much further can they go ??

@66 Stevie....the English professor ? lol
83 Heisenbergcontext (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 02:55 am Report abuse
@82 Jack

“Collateral damage” is just a cynical euphemism for “oops...we screwed up”. Even when engaged with an enemy that accepts suicide bombings as a legitimate tactic it's still in the U.S.'s interests to have ethical standards when engaged in warfare. Which is why summary execution will never be official policy.
84 Jbrenn (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 03:06 am Report abuse
@58 GeoffWard
You present some interesting points - #1 Your fear the Republicans might be worse – is VALID!

One must look no further the George W. Bush to see what a piece of vomit the Republicans can cough up. The erosion of the Constitution under Clinton, Bush and now the Obamanation, is opening the door to a future autocratic ruler.

But a Zen moment occurs when a voter realizes that the two party system is a false paradigm. It’s rigged…both parties beholden to the same corporate interests and international bankers.

There is some difference in tone, especially on emotionally charged social issues such as abortion, gay rights, gun control etc., which are used to polarize people to join the blue or red gang, a Democrat or a Republican, Crip or a Blood ….. both gangs LOVE big government, debt and military intervention. There is only an illusion of choice.

Be advised – read Carroll Quigley’s book “Tragedy and Hope” (unabridged version) - an insider’s view about the New World Order, which is a decades old plan for a one world autocratic government and a single monetary system. If that notion is new to you, start with the book called “None Dare Call it a Conspiracy” by Gary Allen.

Regarding Crimea, we should congratulate the Russian people for the repatriation of Crimea. If 82% of the people vote, and 97% of those are in favor of joining Russia, it is clear that Crimeans reject joining the EU and the world banking debt Mafia schemes privy to EU members.

In an ideal world, Crimea would certainly be better off in charge of its own destiny by remaining a sovereign state…. but when surrounded by two wolves, they are being forced to choose one and they have spoken.

@82 You know Jack!
Why so angry Jack? You say the “law unfortunately is full of loopholes”….yes most would agree.

The Guantanamo prisoners had NO smooth talking lawyer...NO pandering to a jury. There were just federal judges finding in 72% of the cases the orange suits were NOT terrorists.
85 Leiard (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:03 am Report abuse
Jbrenn sounds like another voice.
86 russmohr (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 01:52 pm Report abuse
Although these guys are supposed to be harmless, they are still sympathetic with terrorist causes. To allow them to roam free in Uruguay and bring their families along as well is courting real trouble for Uruguay. We are now relatively free from terrorism plots but if we are not careful we will have plenty of them to deal with in the near future. I lived in Saudi Arabia for 3 years and I have studied Islam so I am familiar with their mentality.
87 ChrisR (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:25 pm Report abuse
None of this may come to pass if “No Money Pepe’s” previous “claims” are anything to go by:

1) Battery powered buses running throughout the country, ha, ha, ha!

2) Ganga “fields of dreams” seem to be just that. Can’t see any practical progress as yet: perhaps he is so doped up OR just a dope. What a pity he isn’t a “dope on a rope” for those who know what I am on about!

3) “Inflation is under control”! Maybe in his mind but not in Uruguay it isn’t and neve likely to be with the commie bastards in charge of a future assembly.

OK, I have calmed down a bit now. :o)
88 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:27 pm Report abuse
You can always move to another country, expat....
89 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:15 pm Report abuse
Stevie,

You aren't even living in Uruguay, as Chris is.

Don't you remember telling us that you make it to waters offshore, “once a month or so”?
90 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:24 pm Report abuse
Or so.

Many people work offshore, Troy. None of them loose their nationality while doing so.

Many expats moves to Uruguay, Troy. Not many of them gains nationality while doing so.
91 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:35 pm Report abuse
@83 Heisenbergcontext : ““Collateral damage” is just a cynical euphemism for “oops...we screwed up”. ...Can't disagree with that definition of collateral damage, the bottom line of which, is then an unintended consequence of some act....but isn't that what happens in a war ?? Today, the ”accepted“ concept of warfare, strangely enough, is one that is supposed to spare civilians ...earlier wars just clobbered everyone that got in the way, regardless of whether they were military or civilian.... That said, I look at the suicide bombers, and other types of terrorist acts, and I don't see them trying to spare civilians...much to the contrary, their targets are, most of the time, just civilians....who, to the terrorists are NOT collateral damage...so, you'll excuse my lack of sympathy for terrorists. I'm aware that summary execution will never be ”official policy” - in civilized countries - but in my opinion, in certain cases, exceptions to the rule are / would be welcome.
92 Jbrenn (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
#91 You Know Jack

You have been brainwashed into believing the “WAR ON TERROR” is real!

A real war has a defined objective and end goal. What is the end goal of the “WAR ON TERROR” ? Is it to kill BIN LADEN? That's been done.

Is it to WIPE OUT ALL TERRORISTS? If you say YES to that - do you think that ambiguous goal is ever attainable?

What is the progress report on that task since September 20, 2001 when George W made that declaration? Not so good.

More than 95 percent of all suicide attacks are in response to foreign occupation, according to The National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START) at University of Maryland.

In the countries the US/NATO have meddled, suicide bombings have skyrocketed. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan ,Libya, etc are all a complete mess of lawlessness.

Do people feel safer globally? Numerous studies show - No.

Overwhelming evidence shows THAT is EXACTLY what the US/Nato wants .... a fearful populace which is easier to control.

The “war on terror” is an exercise in mass brainwashing.
93 russmohr (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:33 pm Report abuse
Yes it is a war, the ideals of Islam as stated in the Qur'an and Hadiths call for the Muslims to conquer the whole world and eliminate all who resist conversion to Islam as directed by Allah (Satan the Devil) through his prophet Mohammad.
94 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:41 pm Report abuse
Jbrenn

“Overwhelming evidence shows THAT is EXACTLY what the US/Nato wants .... a fearful populace which is easier to control. ”

What evidence? Please show us
95 ChrisR (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:50 pm Report abuse
I think it would go a long way to eliminate further Islamist attacks if the whole of Saudi Arabia was turned to glass.

No more money paid to the jihadists, in fact no more Wahabi Jihadists who are the very worst of the trouble makers and no more Saudi “Princes” who actively encourage these attacks.

Now do your best, but ask yourself a question, do I GAF?
96 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
@92, You know Jbrenn :
Your belief that the war on terror is not real, indicates that you have sh*t in yr head instead of a 'brenn'.
You think that we should just sit around and wait for the radical muslims to finish us off ?? good for you, pacifist numbnuts....remember Neville Chamberlin in 1938 ?? “Peace in our time”, and a few months later Hitler just went about his business as usual.....If you want to, just sit on the fence and ignore reality. What is clear in the Qur'an, the holy book of this “peace-loving” religion, or better described as a “way of life”, is that it preaches death to all non-muslims, regardless of 'foreign occupation', or anything else... I presume you think that if all foreign troops left the middle east tomorrow, the radicals would leave us in peace.....I have my doubts.. I presume also that you are the type who believes that if you “love” them, they will “love” you back....how sweet and naive of you. But pls, don't let me stop you....by all means, adopt a couple of these lovely creatures..

And your “A real war has a defined objective and end goal” ? ......This IS a real war....the fact that the objective and the end goal are not as defined as you think they should be, just means it's not a “conventional” war , but still a war.
To wrap this up, gotta concede that it might not be such a bad idea for the USA / NATO to get the hell out of the middle east, but before they do, could leave one, simple promise : “Don't mess with us again or we WILL come back and wipe you off the face of the earth”...see ? a defined objective.
97 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:25 pm Report abuse
At some point it was the Jews.
Then it was the Russians.
Now it's the Muslims.

How stupid do you think the World is?
98 Jbrenn (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 11:13 pm Report abuse
#94 I cannot convince you of how the US uses fear in a paragraph. Fear is the Foundation of EVERY Government’s Power. Governments understand how people react to fear, they exploit it, and cultivate it.

I recommend reading “The Prince” by Machiavelli to understand the use of fear throughout history. “Tragedy and Hope” is excellent by Bill Clinton’s mentor, or “9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA” by Webster Tarpley

U.S. people have been sold the idea that they MUST give up certain rights so they can have MORE security. Since 2001, US Americans have put up with:

• Warrantless surveillance
• Recording of ALL phone calls, and emails
• Color coded risk levels to keep citizens fearful of terrorists
• Pre-emptive invasion of foreign countries
• Committing troops to war without a declaration of war by Congress as mandated in the Constitution
• Assassination of people on kill lists
• Extermination of “suspected” enemies by predator drones
• Cameras and listening devices on public transit & public locations
• Torture in camps outside of the US
• Indefinite detention of US citizens without trial
• The President can now to completely disregard the Constitution and seize private industries
• Drones monitoring activities of US citizens
• Bankers don't get jail time in the 2008 meltdown - they get a $750 billion bailout via taxpayer blackmail
• U.S. cities endure military exercises to condition the masses
• Attempts to control and censor the Internet through SOPA and CISPA
• Using tragic mass murders by nut-jobs on psychotropic drugs to disarm US Americans
• TSA groping citizens using gestapo tactics, treating them like criminals
• Public schools teaching children what to think keeping the masses fearful and pliable
• Government agencies (FBI, ATF) create terror plots, luring dupes, providing bombs, and then announce with great fanfare they have foiled a terrorist plot
• “See something, Say something” government media campaign designed to make citizens paranoid and fearful
99 Troy Tempest (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:35 am Report abuse
Are you sure you don't mean Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador, NorthKorea, and Iran?
100 La Patria (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:26 am Report abuse
@93.....where did you read that bollocks? In the Hillbilly Bible Belt Monthly magazine?
Yes there are radical, brainwashed Muslims, just as there are radical and brainwashed people from every religion, but please don't claim the whole of Islam wants to take over the world.
Some of my Muslim friends are the friendliest, most honest and caring people I know. Respect is the key word.
Don't take everyone to be a terrorist nutjob.
101 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:07 am Report abuse
It has been fed to them daily, what can you expect...
102 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 12:17 pm Report abuse
#100 I wholehearted agree that there are extremists in every religion. However the major difference is I do no see Jews strapping bombs to their chests and blowing voting stations, I do not see Christians stealing jets and dive bombing them in buildings, I do not see Buddhist tossing acid in the faces of women for going to school and I have yet to see Hindu's killing their daughters for being raped.
I have known many Muslims and have coffeed with many families. But.....the impact of radical Muslims are far more reaching than the radicals of all other religions combined.
You have half breed south american's have never been to the other side of the world. Stick to the chip on your shoulders, that is what you half breeds know best.
103 ynsere (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:14 pm Report abuse
Poppy @ 102
“Half breed” is an unpleasant word used by unpleasant people. I suggest you apologise.
104 Jbrenn (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 03:41 pm Report abuse
#102 Ayyyy Poppy! What a small minded post - evidence of your low class upbringing and now ignorant world view.
105 La Patria (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 08:32 pm Report abuse
@102
Yes, radical Muslims are a danger if they try to enforce their ideology on others and yes they are particularly evil when using their modi operandi to kill innocents but I was saying not all Muslims are radical.
As for those that commit atrocities, they are the same scum like any other - be it from Al Qaeda / IRA / UDA / the Lebanese Christian militia in 1985 who killed over 3000 people and carved crosses in the bodies etc.

With regards to 'half breed', like I said in my previous comment, respect is the key word, not racism.
PS Lovely morning here in Auckland, New Zealand
106 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:56 am Report abuse
Do not forget the Syrians rebels eating the hearts of their enemy....though I've seen worse. It is more than respect........respect can only get you so far. One thing those in search of respect need to understand, respect is not given......it is earned. As I said.....I've sat and coffeed with many a muslim and never a problem, but the radicals do all the broadcasting and draw their own attention and always will as long as their own people allow them too.
As for half breeds, well, the only ones to get upset at those here that make their painted references of the USA, I can hardly care. As I said, they are the ones with the chips on their shoulders.......ask Stevie. It was the Spaniards that coined Mestizo's. If I got upset at every reference used with “Yanqui” with the intent of an insult.....I suppose I would be as self conscious as they are.
As for apologizng........the ALBA community will rule the world first.
107 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 11:31 am Report abuse
Hi Poppy,

my partner is even 'worse', than your 'half breed' - she is approximately 'third breed'.
Scottish caucasian, mayan, and mandingo - you would find her highly educated, beautiful and entrancing ... as long as you don't call her a 'half breed'.

A lifetime of working with the British army would make crushing your nuts as easy as kissing your cheek, if she heard you even slightly being racist.

Be a bit more careful, even if you feel unable to apologise.
108 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
That's great geoff......your point is? That you are offended by the word? SO FUCKING WHAT! Man up and soldier on rather than pulling a tissue and cry about it.

Working with the British Army means......nothing to me. Like my posts....they are mere words. However it's nice to see you are proud of your mate's national service.

BTW......my wife is a multi-breed as well. What does that mean? Not a fucking thing. I've actually had people that have never threatened me and acted against me so if you feel like saying that your female mate is so tough as to kick my ass......I can only assume that you are attracted to manly man. But who am I to judge. The heart does what the heart wants.

BTW.....I apologize where I feel the need to apologize. Than again.........maybe instead of half breeds I will steal yankee's term of endearment for them so as not to make the non SA 's cry......monkey's.
109 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 01:25 pm Report abuse
Racist AND sexist.
If you can remove it, I suggest you remove the blusher from your neck.

I know from past postings that you can be 'quite nice';
something upsetting you? Your wife?
110 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 03:45 pm Report abuse
Stress...too much traveling to places I do not want to go. Too much dying coming up.

In all honesty.....I really do not consider my word choice half breed a racist.....nor am I a sexist. But from a military POV, I would never want to be on the ground on an extended patrol with a woman. I believe they can fly jets, choppers, trucks.......even lob HE rounds 30 clicks away. But when it comes to close quarter combat, extended patrols (though one seldom sees that anymore) I am a sexist.

Wify is just fine, but that you for asking.

dime Geoff.........I will use the word “African American” so I can be PC, even though as I grew up....they referred to themselves as Black, When African Americans call themselves niggers......are they in fact racist based on word choice.......or do you suppose it is used rhetorically?

BTW......I do not feel insulted being called a redneck, though I am not. I suppose a Bostonian redneck would be a Southie........lol. No one ever accused me of being a Southie. If fact I seldom feel insulted with all the stereo-typical references applied to Americans posted here, but that's a double standard because ....afterall.....it's the USA. Then again.....our government actions garner it, though the people are often stereo-typed...........by the half breeds on this site. Half breeds in SA and mutts in the USA........que sera sera.

A few things I will never be Geoff....PC, a Socialist, a Conservative. When I see a spade......I call it a spade.
111 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 03:59 pm Report abuse
Ok, friend.
No problems. :-)
112 Captain Poppy (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 04:29 pm Report abuse
Prefecto.......many of us seek the same destination, we only take a different route. Some courser than others. I've never claimed to be a polished individual, though I am not are rough as others.
I'll break bread and coffee with anyone until they prove I should not....be they Guaranis (and I have up in Missones and southern Brazil), Muslims, Chinese, Africans. Don't judge me by the words I used than the actions I live by. However, I cannot expect you to know that from the internet and can only opine base on my posts. Anyway.....we are on the same page. As for your mate serving in the military.....I truly do have a prejudice for the people in uniform......positively that is. Even for my past enemy in uniform because it takes a certain gene to be willing to die for a way of life. Radical Muslims I do not see in that same light nor as people in uniform.

I know you are in Uruguay, perhaps one day we will unbeknownst bump into one another.
113 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 07:32 pm Report abuse
Since when is “mestizo” foul language?

Half breed is just a plain dumb thing to say and all in accordance to Poppy's intellect.

There are no half breeds.

Only full breeds of different flavours...
114 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:07 pm Report abuse
@113...'profound'....

There are no Stevies.

Only Stevies (full of cock) of different flavours...
115 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:33 pm Report abuse
Are you thinking about male genitals again, Jack?
116 GeoffWard2 (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 08:55 am Report abuse
'There are no half breeds.

Only full breeds of different flavours...'

Well done, Stevie!
117 Jack Bauer (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 03:48 pm Report abuse
@115....Again ?? I don't usually think about them....but this time, for you, I'll make an exception....but it'll only be for a few seconds - the time it takes for a long-dong to disappear up your pimply anus....bumboy !

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