Monday, March 24th 2014 - 07:00 UTC

Venezuela's state prosecutor says security forces have 'committed excesses'

Venezuela's top state prosecutor has affirmed that security forces had committed “excesses” in breaking up nearly two months of opposition protests against the government of President Nicolas Maduro that have left at least 34 dead

Luisa Ortega said that at least 60 investigations have been opened

 Maduro's adversaries have accused the National Guard of brutally repressing the demonstrations, while the president says security forces have in fact been restrained in face of violent disruptions of public order.

“With regards to the violation of human rights, yes, there have been excesses by police, but state prosecutors are investigating this,” said Luisa Ortega, the top state prosecutor, during an interview broadcast today.

Since the start of the demonstrations, state prosecutors have opened 60 investigations into alleged human rights violations and imprisoned 15 officials in connection with those incidents, she said.

Three people have died from gunshot wounds in shootouts linked to the protests, witnesses and local media said yesterday.

Demonstrators have been clashing nearly every day with riot police since the demonstrations began, with security forces firing tear gas and buckshot and the demonstrators responding with rocks and Molotov cocktails.

Opposition activists have shown videos of troops and police beating student demonstrators as evidence of excessive force.

Maduro's sympathizers have shown videos of hooded assailants attacking government offices and say improvised barricades have restricted free transit and caused deaths by preventing the ill from receiving treatment.

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1 Anglotino (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:02 pm Report abuse
This can't be right. I've been assured by Stevie that the Venezuelan government doesn't do anything wrong and that these deaths have been the fault of the protesters.
2 Mendoza Canadian (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
I thought the US was responsible?...or was it fascists, or maybe capitalists, or no, maybe...Kelpers...martians?....
3 golfcronie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 12:45 pm Report abuse
“ committed excesses ” Surely not?
4 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
Anglolatino
Are you illiterate too?
Nowhere does it say that the Venezuelan government has committed excesses. In fact, nowhere does it say that the Venezuelan government has committed anything.

The article says members of the police and security forces have committed excesses.
This is being investigated by state prosecutors, as in representatives from the Venezuelan state.

Try asking your mom to read the articles up for you, or someone that indeed can explain to you what all those random letters actually mean...
5 yankeeboy (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:10 pm Report abuse
Who are the Police and “security forces” whatever that means in a dictatorship I would assume either a Federal Police or the Army. Both are the State aren't the Stevie?
You logic gets all twisted around trying to defend the indefensible.
You must be really tiring to be around
Do you have any friends?
6 Leiard (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:12 pm Report abuse
@4 Stevie

Stop playing such a trolling fool, it gains you nothing but ridicule.
7 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:21 pm Report abuse
Yes, the Venezuelan state would send the police and the security forces to commit “excessive force” and then open an investigation and imprison 15 state officials only to satisfy you lot.

You lot ARE ridiculous...
8 yankeeboy (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
So you are saying the Judiciary is not separate from the Executive branch? It is a true dictatorship?
That's what I have thought for many years.
I'll be so happy when the poliscum are eradicated.
9 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:46 pm Report abuse
It is separated indeed, and together with the Legislative branch they form the Venezuelan state.

Laws are written.
The Congress in Venezuela did not put forward a law that tells police officers or security forces to use excessive violence.

Laws are executed.
The President of Venezuela never told the police or the security forces to use excessive power in order to control the rioters.

Laws are reviewed.
The Courts in Venezuela never said it was ok for the police officers and the security forces to use excessive power .

Which branch are you talking about when you say the “State”?
10 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:48 pm Report abuse
9

You are not even good at spinning, you are just stupid.
11 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:49 pm Report abuse
10
Seems you know when to use commas in English, expat...
12 ChrisR (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:50 pm Report abuse
We should all remember that “Free energy” Stevie is not logical in the normally accepted meaning of the word.

He believes and has stated that he has “invented” a system which gives energy at no cost!

This not only breaks the Law of Conservation of Energy but Entropy seems to be an outdated Law as well.

When you make statements that are patently impossible, never mind untrue, you can expect illogical actions and “truths” to be his forte as well.

I think a Nobel prize in Idiocy might be forthcoming if “No Money Pepe” doesn’t beat him to it.
13 bushpilot (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:51 pm Report abuse
@9

So, if there is an “excess” by a government entity, the perpetrators are automatically not of the “government”.

Whether they condoned it or not, the govt. is responsible for its own people, and is therefore, the entity committing the excesses.

They could incarcerate their own, it would be an act of “damage control”. And the punishment is token.

It takes some pretty seamless english skills to make the above argument considered even for a second.

St., I can't help but noticing, your english is even better than YB's or mine.

I'm not so sure you really are Latino? Were your parents really from Uruguay?
14 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:53 pm Report abuse
In July Montevideo Stevie... ??? Want to see me birth certificate ?? O no... you will be in Sweden of course
15 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:55 pm Report abuse
Of course they are responsible.
They are responsible to put them in front of a judge, which they have done.

“15 officials imprisoned”

Are you all illiterate?
16 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:56 pm Report abuse
15

Do you know what a “perejil” is dumbarse ???
17 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
That would be Perez and you....
18 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:01 pm Report abuse
You dont know dont you ? Hahahaa well you are right on something perhaps ... Mad Burro did not order the police to repress the students and protestors... well yes he did, but the master mind was Raul Castro and the Cuban intelligence who seems to be running things in Caracas lately
19 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:05 pm Report abuse
Yes, the same Cuba you lot declare as a failed state, with no access to global trade, no money and no influence.

Mainly beacause Maduro has an unsatisfiable desire for Habanos...
20 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:10 pm Report abuse
Ohhh Cuba has access to global trade, pity is they have nothing to trade. The country lives of sex turism and remitances of the Cuban comunnity in Miami who you disgusting lefties call “gusaneros” ....That is pretty much a failed state. Yep.

Those cops are perejiles, idiot. Of course you swedish latam wannabe turd would't know how things work in the rest of the world outside your scandinavian politicaly correct bubble.
21 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:12 pm Report abuse
We call them milicos....
22 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:17 pm Report abuse
“milicos”

I had a friend of Miami... his parents were killed by a firing squad under the comand of Che Guevara himself.
He fled Cuba when he was a young kid.

His cousin remaind in Cuba, years later he was sent to fight in Angola, he recalled how blacks were used by both the Cubans and the SADF as cannon meat in Cuito Cuanavale. After the war he returned to Cuba. His house was falling down and there its pretty much free for all. So he went to the streets somehow found a couple of bricks to fix his own shack. He was jailed for 15 years for theft by the regime.
23 yankeeboy (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:18 pm Report abuse
Round and round the twisted answers go
only in your head could they make sense
What a ridiculous fool you are Stevie
a ridiculous fool
24 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:19 pm Report abuse
You should keep away from friends in Miami, what can I say...
25 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:22 pm Report abuse
Yes you are scum... I hope you are there in July. Each time you let the shit you are come out the further i want to break your face
26 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:27 pm Report abuse
I assume there's plenty of things you want, CabezaHueca.

Being an expat wasn't one of them, I'm sure, but what can you do?
27 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 05:32 pm Report abuse
You cant stop projecting you wannabe can you ??

be thankfull that you are alive, and that your cowardly terrorist mother farted you out in Sweden and not in a shithole of a clandestine detention center.
28 Condorito (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
@CD
You have to give Stevie some credit, he is not so stupid as to actually live in Venezuela or Cuba.
29 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
I'm not stupid enough to live in USA and the UK either.

Actually, I'm lucky to live in Uruguay, although we do run out of luck when it comes to the expats...
30 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:00 pm Report abuse
LOL

In fact look at this turd Stevie...

I used the expression “cannon meat” in my post 22 thinking in the equivalent of “Carne de cañón” in spanish which is a military expression to low ranking soldiers used to be disposable troops or “to be sent to the slaughterhouse”.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carne_de_ca%C3%B1%C3%B3n

In English it turnes out it has a far more vulgar and sexual meaning which I was unawere of

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Meat%20Cannon

Now could you have tould the difference?? No you cant, because expressions like “Perejil” and “Carne de cañón” are only used and understood if you live here in Argentina or in Uruguay.
31 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:08 pm Report abuse
Yes, I've noticed you are deliberately misspelling things in order to make anyone believe you are anything else than an expat...

Translate “araca la cana”, pedazo de chanta.

Lets talk in criollo and stop using directly translated phrases from your mother tongue. In English it would be cannon fodder.
32 Leiard (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
@31

Did you manage to complete your sailing course last year ?
33 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:15 pm Report abuse
sailing course?
You mean the license?

I wouldn't know what you are talking about...
34 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:16 pm Report abuse
Ohh common now I will deliberatly make that kind of mistake and I will deliberatly misspell in english....???!!!!!

God you are so stupid and dishonest stevie
35 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:17 pm Report abuse
Come on, expat.
Google away.

“Araca la cana”

Chanta.
36 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:21 pm Report abuse
It basically means “Attention the cops are coming”

you want to have this conversation is spanish??
37 yankeeboy (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:28 pm Report abuse
It is clear Stevie has never been to Uruguay. Didn't you say you lived in “Solimar”.
Was that deliberately misspelled too?

I don't think so.
38 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:31 pm Report abuse
I'd love to, but you can't spell in Spanish and there are a bunch of... caballeros de párrafos... that will most certainly get our conversation removed...

Nice googling, by the way :)
39 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
37

I remember The_Truth_Patroll ( another one, not Toby) already cheaked his IP adress and it was Danish, it was the same IP as Guzz's and British_Kirchnerist.
“Stevie” did not deny any this in that ocassion.

Stevie is as fake as a tranny's fanny...
40 Condorito (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
Stevie,
I thought you said you lived in Denmark?
41 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:40 pm Report abuse
Stevie what does “Merluza” mean (not the fish), words like“Ortiba” “Piedra” “Vigilante”...???
42 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:50 pm Report abuse
Merluza = Terrible pedo
Ortiba = Gusano
Piedra = Vos
Vigilante = Many things, amongst them a Soplón
43 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:56 pm Report abuse
ERRR WROOOOOOOOG

“Merluza” is cocaine
“Ortiba” is a upstuck serious person
“Piedra” is a brick of cocaine
Vigilante is the only one you are ok...because its old lunfardo and anybody can google it.

You see you are a LIE Stevie. That is pretty much late street words that come around
44 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 07:59 pm Report abuse
Are you telling me “merluza” is cocaine in Uruguay?
Chanta!
Are you telling me “ortiba” is an upstuck person in Uruguay?
Chanta!
Are you telling me “piedra” is a brick of cocaine in Uruguay?
Chanta!

You know what I think?
I think your “slang” is nothing but words you and your mates use when dealing with... cocaine...
45 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:04 pm Report abuse
Yep....Its street wording of Argentina as common as hell, you scandinavian FRAUD, you cant pretend that in Uruguay they dont have Cumbia villera of Bs As, because everybody there listens to it. Anybody would have known this..

Hahahaha yeah right those words are soooooo diferent in Uruguay. Te pensas que naci ayer yo??
46 bushpilot (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:06 pm Report abuse
“Actually, I'm lucky to live in Uruguay, although we do run out of luck when it comes to the expats...”

You do not live in Uruguay either!!

Your use of english expressions is perfect, and your use of spanish ones is not.

Maybe you are that Narine “gal” from France.

You could defend communism more effectively if you didn't have to devote so much of your focus on covering your alias.
47 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:17 pm Report abuse
Cabeza, oviously you are more exposed to cocaine than I am, I have no clue whatsoever that crap is called on the streets.

In Uruguay though, all those things you mention means what I told you, with reservation or local differences.

Cumbia villera is nothing we listen to I'm sorry to say. Here we have La Vela, Tabaré and his Agarrate Catalina, NTVG and a Falta.

Murga.

Proper music with proper lyrics.

Bushpilot, stay out of it, you would't know what you are pretendingto talk about...
48 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:24 pm Report abuse
I choose those words to be fair actually, those are street words very common in either side of the River Plate that have being populized by Cumbia Villera that is also listend to in Uruguay.... In Uruguay they dont only listen to Murga Im sorry to say.

You have no excuses Stevie, I know that now you are googling away as we have this conversation. This has a reason because these words haven't being told to you at school in Europe. Its not something you will get to know being a tourist either. Murga is far more politically correct so there is no surprise you know that. But you have no clue of the day to day life on the streets. That is clear to me.
49 Anglotino (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
“Here we have”.....

Those don't sound like Danish words to me.

Stevie's location changes by the post. I don't think I've seen an ex-pat pine so much for his home country.
50 yankeeboy (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:31 pm Report abuse
As I said before Stevie is from where ever it is convenient for him to argue against something.
I doubt he's ever been to Uruguay.
51 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:36 pm Report abuse
NTVG is not murga Cabeza, as little as La vela puerca.
But one thing I can assure you, any more people listen to murga than the Agentine version of reagetón, which is cumbia villera (read catchy monotonous beat with lyrics written by children). As a matter of fact, mor people listens to reagetón than cumbia villera.
Personally, I don't listen to that disturbance.
52 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:45 pm Report abuse
Stevie, everything from Rock, murga, folklore music, pop, cumbia villera comes back and forth each side of the river. You should know this. There is even Uruguayan Cumbia Villera

The words that I brought to you are over a decade old and were popularized by Flor de piedra, pibes chorros and those kind of bands, they were implemented by the bands that originated in the slums of Buenos Aires. Reggeaton dind't even exist in Argentina in the early 2000s. Later on it became much more electronic like it is nowdays. I remember back in early highschool every restaurant, pub, taxi, bus was sophocating with CV and the thematic was far more heavy than nowdays. Its not the music I like either, but you cant say you have never heard of them or know the meanings of those words.
53 Briton (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:46 pm Report abuse
So do you all think, that the military may yet take over and run the place eventually..
54 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:53 pm Report abuse
Cabeza
I've heard of many artists around the world, it doesn't necessarily mean I've listened to their music. Cumbia villera is an annoyance and nothing a person older than 14 years old would listen to by own choice. I have of course heard the tragedy in the radio once or twice, but I can assure you I've never paid attention to the lyrics other than the obvious and blatant disgrace for estribillo.
It's crap music, Cabeza. Really worthless piece of mumbo jumbo.
You seem to think it's worthly of some kind of recognition...
55 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:55 pm Report abuse
Anyway.... you are fraud Stevie. You were braught up in Sweden, and you know I was born in Argentina and braught up here so who are you trying to fool??
56 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
You are an expat that listens to, and is educated in Spanish, by cumbia villera.
That is precisely the reason why you type “informal” Spanish as you do...
57 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:03 pm Report abuse
LOL you are an idiot. An expat that comes to Argentina for business or retirement is obviously not somebody who will know the ways of the street Stevie. I know this because I have known many european old expats who are retired here.
58 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
Obviously you never went to school in Argentina, or you would know how to spell. And not blame your ignorance on informalities...
59 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:15 pm Report abuse
Whatever bufoon. what a pathetic looser you are.

BTW Mr. FRAUD.... You use “Soplon” instead of “Alcahuete” or “alcagüete” as a replacement of “vigilante” .... That is Spanish of Spain. The spanish you would get in a European school.
60 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:20 pm Report abuse
An alcahuete s a chusma, not a soplón.
The alcahuete spreads rumours and kisses arses, the soplón sells you out to the police or your parents.

You should know this...
61 Condorito (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:21 pm Report abuse
An ex-pat would have almost no exposure to Cumbia Villera (and would not understand it anyway) whereas a Uruguayan with two children would have to live in a bubble to avoid it.
62 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
Nope Mr FRAUD. “Alcahuete” is a informer, someone who spreads rumors and distrust and gossyp would be a “cizañero” or the “armar puterio” o “meter pùa”
63 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:27 pm Report abuse
Condorito
“Soy Cordobés, me gusta el vino y la joda y lo tomo sin soda porque así pega más”

For our English readers
”I'm Cordobés (from Cordoba), I like wine and drink it without soda because [like that] it hits harder”

Of course I've been exposed to that disgrace of a disturbance called music. But who on earth takes their time to study the lyrics?

And yes, that part IS an estribillo...
64 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:32 pm Report abuse
63

NOOOOOO. THAT IS NOT CUMBIA VILLERA. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU IDIOT CANT YOU SEE YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND EACH TIME YOU ARE STICKING YOUR FEET EVEN FURTHER????!!!!!!

Stevie GO AWAY
65 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:37 pm Report abuse
It's not? Well, it's the only estribillo I can come up with from sheer memory.
Same crap, isn't it Cabeza?
Crap music with crap lyrics and monotonous rhythm.

Why don't you talk about proper Argentine music, like Copani?
66 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
THAT IS CUARTETO CORDOBES YOU F*CKING FRAUD !!!! AND YOU CANT EVEN TRANSLATE PROPERLY

Geeez what a wannabe. GO AWAY LOOSER. By proud to be Swedish if you are born in Sweden, listen to Abba, Ace of Base, Roxette the kind of stuff you grew up with, but dont pretend to be something you are not.

What a pathetich human being for f*ck sakes.
67 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:48 pm Report abuse
That's Rodrigo, not Cuarteto Cordobés, you expat...
68 Condorito (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
Stevie, what has brought about this change of address?
I don't recall you ever claiming to actually live in Uruguay before.
With your previous nick you said that you lived in Denmark and I had just assumed that you assumed that no one was so stupid as to not know that you were Guzz.

Well if you now live in Uruguay, I congratulate you on returning. You must be happy.
69 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:00 pm Report abuse
I leave and return as I please, Condorito.
Why would I not be happy?
70 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
GEEEZ AND YOU STILL HAVE THE GUTS TO CALL ME AN EXPACT YOU DESPARATE LIAR ............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UNBELIAVABLE

RODRIGO IS CUATETO CORDOBES ANYBODY KNOWS THAT

EVEN IN URUGUAY THE KNOW THIS, IN CHILE...

Hell even anywhere because the first link that comes up when you google cuarteto cordobes is this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp9Zxaxe1aA

Listen RETARD IM CORDOBES myself. And you are calling me an expact and saying that Rodrigo is Cumbia Villera and not Cuarteto Cordobes!!!
I can here my neighbour as Im tyiping listening to cuarteto cordobes.

No no no. Enough is enough, i cant waste any more time with you liar
71 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:06 pm Report abuse
Hahahahaha!!!!

You even have a genre for that crap!!
That is unbelievable indeed!!!!

Hahahahahaha!!!!

I believe you Cabeza, you are Argentine, that's for sure.

No person in the world would know the name of that genre. No one would even believe it even existed....

Me, I'm not Argentine. I'm Uruguayan.

Tell me, Cabeza. In what city did the infamous team “Vaca Azul” play?

“Cuarteto Cordobés”

Hahahahaha!!!!!
72 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:11 pm Report abuse
You cant tie it out by saying im argentine but you are uruguayan... you cant.

I dont like the music myself. But even an “emo” in Uruguay or in Buenos Aires can tell the difference.

No you cant make that kind of mistake, you have never being in a dance club in Uruguay nor in Argentina....

YOU ARE A FRAUD
73 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:14 pm Report abuse
I'm not Uruguayan because I never heard of the Argentinean genre... let me scroll... “Cuarteto Cordobés”?

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Yes, Cabeza, because every dance Club in Montevideo, Maldonado, Colonia and Rocha pays tribute to the, what did you call it.... let me scroll Again... “Cuarteto Cordobés”.... with a minute of silence.

Hahahahaha!!!!
74 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:23 pm Report abuse
YES THEY DO YOU FRAUD. YOU HAVE NEVER BEING TO A NIGHT CLUB IN URUGUAY !!!!!

LOL

Go away Stevie, im no longer wasting time with you. You have lost completaly any sort of credibility.

Listen Sweed Uruguayan wannabe. They are completaly different genres. Cuarteto is at least half a century old. CV is of the late 1990s. I repeat I dont like this music but its something you have to get by to dance and have to live in a bubble to avoid it.
This is like a wannabie Canadian confusing Jazz and Rock'n Roll to an American.

As much as that you are a SERIOUS FRAUD Stevie. GO AWAY
75 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:28 pm Report abuse
I've heard Rodrigo alright, but I've never heard of.... let me scroll.... “Cuarteto Cordobés” in my life!

“Cuarteto Cordobés”

Hahahahaha!!!

You tell me, Cabeza.
What city in Uruguay is the infamous Vaca Azul from?

You wouldn't know, because you are not Uruguayan.

Simple as that :)

“Cuarteto Cordobés....”

Hahahahahaha!!!
76 ilsen (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:41 pm Report abuse
Stevie@bedwetter.com Discredited

RIP junior expat.
77 Stevie (#) Mar 24th, 2014 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
If you say so ilsen...

:)
78 bushpilot (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 05:50 am Report abuse
“Bushpilot, stay out of it, you would't know what you are pretending to talk about...”

Come on now, who's really the pretender!?
79 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:05 am Report abuse
You really think a bunch of expats views on a right-wing parrot news site will make me more or less Uruguayan?

:)
80 bushpilot (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:46 am Report abuse
It doesn't have anything to do with anyone's “views” Stevie.

You don't live in Uruguay.

It doesn't matter what anyone tells you, you'll keep on swearing up and down that the sky is green.
81 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:49 am Report abuse
I never swear bushpilot.

As little as I care where you think I live...

:)
82 Anglotino (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 07:04 am Report abuse
No one said you weren't Uruguayan. That's why you're an expat.

Just an Uruguayan expat who doesn't live in Uruguay.

Holidaying in a country doesn't mean you live there. There's just no way to twist one to mean the other no matter you try.
83 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 07:09 am Report abuse
If you say so, Anglolatino...

:)
84 BOTINHO (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 08:25 am Report abuse
Now that that is settled, returning to the actual topic of unrest and violence in Venezuela:

The latest victim: Congresswoman Maria Corina Machado
www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26726282

No hearing, no trial, no discussion, for speaking the truth. Summarily punished on orders from Mr. Fofinho Maduro himself.

Mr. Maduro, our former president Lula offered you his help, you say thank you and do exactly nothing. The Cubans are running you and your country into the ground.
85 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:59 am Report abuse
Oh what a sad git

“If you say so, Anglolatino...”
“If you say so ilsen...”
“As little as I care where you think I live...”

No its not that they say so... Its because you have just being proven a TOTAL FRAUD. Everybody can tell you just make things as you go.

You dont know common street words.
You confuse words and like “Alachuete” with “Cizaña” and expressions like “meter pua” or “armar puterio”
And you confuse Cumbia Villera with Cuarteto....You even have the dare to say Rodrigo is not Cuarteto Cordobes.

You can confuse the many genres of Argentine folklore itself (that is also imported in Uruguay) which are very regional and only listened by old people like the Chamamè, Gato, Zamba, Chacarera, milonga, Gato explicado.... But you cant get mixed up with CV and Cuarteto cordobes. They are just far too popular and widespread to confuse. Whether its shitty music its not the point. You are too fake.

That is something you definately just cant get wrong Sweede.

Its so evident that you make it up as you just go along. What a sad moron. !!!!

As someone said to you, if you want to defend communism why dont you admit your true Scandinavian backrounds, why are you going to such a lenght to pretend to be something you are not???
86 Anglotino (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 10:57 am Report abuse
I do say so and you have no comeback.

Your posts get shorter when you flounder Stevie.
87 yankeeboy (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 01:13 pm Report abuse
Stevie, The V gov't killed some more citizens yesterday including a pregnant women.
Still agree the poor rich ( Whatever that means) deserve to die?
I love when Socialism/Communism collapses.
I can't wait for it to happen to all the ALBA states!
88 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 06:42 pm Report abuse
About this interrogation of Stevie...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAAOOclzPAA

(No Stevie Im not an expat, its called HBO)
89 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 08:39 pm Report abuse
Cabeza
You are trying to tell me what Words0 Means in Uruguay, particularly slang.
You have no clue, and your only source are your cocaine junkies for friends.

I really don't care what you believe or not.
Keep it up. But try to ask questions relevant to Uruguay when you fish. I'm not Argentine and I don't listen to your crap music.
If you want to talk about Argentine music, try Ignacio Copani, Falú or Cerati. Heck, even us on this side of the coast are waiting “que pase el temblor”...

Anglolatino, I'm not here my to discuss whereabouts, it adds nothing to the discussion. Feel free to talk about me though. I know you love it...
90 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:01 pm Report abuse
Stevie you have no comeback at all... In “your” own night clubs in Uruguay they use this music. I've known Chilean and Uruguayan girls I have danced and being with know this and have being brought up with this.

You have no credibility... Look at the history of this conversation you are completaly roasted. I cant take you seriously.
And you poor thing you first reaction was denial

“That's Rodrigo, not Cuarteto Cordobés, you expat...”
After that never heard of the term “Cuarteto Cordobes”... and you kept on pretending to laugh.

I know your phiscology by now when you have being completaly defeated.

I thought you had a fair degree of contact with Uruguay before hand, but now I realize that Google or the screen of your PC is your main sourse of “Uruguayaness” as I knew this I had to test you on a field you just cant google. And you failed this test roundly due to your own big mouth and pretence. Pathetic really....Its also astonishing that you wanted to brush me as a expact, but we both know this is nothing than your own feeble proojection.

And you do CARE A LOT what we believe, for that EXACTLY is the reason of this conversation. But now its over you have being proven a total FRAUD.

RIP junior (expat?) ( But I believe your mother gave birth to you in Sweeden)
91 ilsen (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:19 pm Report abuse
bedwetter Stevie was originally trying to split hairs between The State and Agents of the State.
Like, who empoloys and regulates Agents of the State?
If not the State, then who?
Massive Stevie Fail.

As for his massive distraction on language/music...
Not really my area of expertise.

Back to politics/economics....

Whereas I do try to contribute in those areas that I do have some knowledge of.
Bedwetter Stevie just rushes in blindly spouting Cold-War polemic where -ever he can.

well, I/we all know he is an expat, supping from the trough of European kindness that has provided for his very existence.
One would expect a little more gratitude and humilty, methinks?
92 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:22 pm Report abuse
No te pases, you've been with no women...

Nobody but you and your neighbours have ever heard of “Cuarteto Cordobés”.
We might have heard of Rodrigo, but the genre is only known to you by name.

The rest of us call it “crap”...

No, I don't care where you believe I come from, Cabeza. It's nothing that keeps me awake at nights. I promise.

But do keep on. And please consider about talking about something relevant to Uruguay hen fishing.

Like Vaca Azul.

The infamos Vaca Azul.

The one you don't know what it is.

Because you're not.... Argentine?

Are you an expat after all? “Cuarteto Cordobés” is googlable....
93 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:23 pm Report abuse
91

“bedwetter Stevie was originally trying to split hairs between The State and Agents of the State”

You have to understand Stevie... Its not that he is a wanker, its his hand that is to blame for it...
94 Anglotino (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:29 pm Report abuse
Stevie

“Anglolatino, I'm not here my to discuss whereabouts, it adds nothing to the discussion. Feel free to talk about me though. I know you love it...”

And yet you keep stating you are in Uruguay. It is you hat keeps discussing your whereabouts.

And of course I love talking about you. I've never claimed otherwise. I love tripping up liars.
95 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:31 pm Report abuse
What is wrong with you lot? Are you ashamed of being expats?
Is it because you are evadiong taxes and feel your arguments loose validity when bending the rules?
Are you ashamed you left your home country you clearly miss?

Personally, I can't leave Uruguay for too long before wanting to return. And so I do. Without your permission, imagine that. I also vote in my country, a right I canonly imagine you lt would love to have...

Don't be upset. Be happy. In time, your kids will be Integrated and be able to call themselves Uruguayans.

What?

You came without your kids? Are you lot feeling lonely?
96 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:41 pm Report abuse
Ohhh Lord Stevie.... I've said I have being with them. You can make whatever conclusion you feel like about that one....What do you want me to give their names number over here so you can ask them??

Do you think that in Uruguayan clubs they dance Copani or Ceratti ?? LOL. They dont dance electro and bounce around like they would in those nothern european countries, they bring over Argentine trash music because its catchy and danceble.


You have losts this fairly and squarly, you are completly roasted. Give it up..
There is nothing worth discussing after you make that kind of mistake. You cant even be considered seriously.... No, I really mean it
97 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:45 pm Report abuse
Do you think they sit down and study the pointless lyrics and discuss their meaning? No. People dances in the Clubs.
At least in the Uruguayan ones. I'm sure that in Córdoba you lot are very proud of “Cuarteto Cordobés”, but the rest of the World does not share that emotion. You just have to accept that...
98 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
97

“Do you think they sit down and study the pointless lyrics and discuss their meaning? No. People dances in the Clubs.”

LOL.... Stevie bye bye
99 Stevie (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 09:59 pm Report abuse
Take care...
100 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 25th, 2014 - 10:59 pm Report abuse
May I ask you a couple of questions out of interest ??

Do you understand that the point of having an argument is to actually win it ??
Do you understand that credibility is esential when you are holding a certain position??
Do you understand that consistant denial and retroacusations actually means you have lost??

Are your kids going to grow up to be liars and idiots like thier own father... Are they going to be terrorists like their granfather??
Hope not
101 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 06:05 am Report abuse
I disagree, Cabeza.
The point of having a discussion is not to win it, otherwise a monologue would suffice. The meaning with a discussion is to express ones views and take part of other views. From there one can agree or not. With you, lets just agree we disagree...

You may ask all you want about my kids, I'm just not going to answer...

Didn't you say bye bye? At least your level of consistency is equivalent in every aspect of your delusion, that I give you...
102 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:25 am Report abuse
Yes I did say bye bye. Stevie that discussion is over. You have lost 10-0 to put a football analogy...Its over you are fake as a tranny's fanny since a day ago.

As I have a amateur interest in pyichology, Im now writing an essay.

“Pricipios fundamentales de la psicología del TROLL GOEBBLIANO”

Cabeza Dura 2014

And you are the Guinea pig.

I mean you really are rare a case of study. Why does a person who has being braught up in Scandinavia son of a terrorits exiles need to prove himself so much as being a national of his parents home land??

And even to the extent you think that you think that living expiriance of a someone who you know is local can be supplanted by google. And you have so many Goebblian features like denial and acusation to cover for your own weakness and fakeness.
As well as having a consistant floundering yet the lack of dignity to quit when it is evident you cant carry own having a reasonable debate or even conversation and you are being abused.

Usually people have a position to stand, defend or prove, but you on the other hand say “I dont care where do you think I live” after discussing the hinde leg off ta donkey exactly about that.
So you very much care about it, in fact I suppose that is why you are here for.

Though sad its fascinating really.
103 axel arg (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 04:13 pm Report abuse
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT VENEZUELA, PART II.
I know that some of the reactionary people who often refer to my lectures here, will start insulting me or underestimating me, as they often do, because i don't think like them, sorry guys, but your insults are just one more proof of the low level of debate that you have to discuss about something so complicated like politic.
I have never denied the serious and structural problems that venezuela suffers, in fact, there are objetive reasons to protest against maduro's government, like the high level of delincuence, which becomes caracas into one of the most dangerous cities from south america, beside, there are many denounces of corrupton cases, institutional violence, a dramatic lack of products in the supermarkets, which is a problem that the country sometimes suffers, due to it imports most the products that people buy, because they aren't producers mostly, however beyond the empathy of rejection that anybody can feel for maduro's ideology, i think it would be too misserable to deny or to underestimate the economic war that powerful corporatons are making in the country, producing a hard lack of products, which is something that gets worse a problem that they already had.
On the other hand, it's really pathetic the distortion that some media corporations do, trying to make people believe that most venezuelans are protesting, when actualy the concentrations are in just some cities of the country. However, beyond this expectable distortion, in dicember maduro's party won municipal elections in most venezuela, if it soposes that most people in venezuela are against maduro's government, then how is it posible that his party won the elections in the country.
Opposition must understand that if they want to rule the country, and become venezuela into one more u. s. a's backyard again, they have to wait untill 2016 or 2019, otherwise, all they do, sooner or later will finish in failure, as it has always happened since 2002.
104 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 08:25 pm Report abuse
Cabeza
Your argument that the whole point of a discussion is to win it, serves to proove my point.
Think what you want.
I'm ok with that.
The fact that you know nothing while being convinced of the contrary, is something I can live with...
105 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:18 pm Report abuse
In any debate each side sustains a position or a theory.
Of course I want my position to win.... You thinking otherwise means to say you are just here to troll and convince somebody you are actually a Uruguayan.
106 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:40 pm Report abuse
You want your position to win?
Win what?
You think it's a competition?

I'm not here to convince you on anything.
You may believe me or not, it still doesn't change anything.
Your futile attempts are very amusing though...
107 ilsen (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
Against my better judgement I did read Axle's post. I stopped wasting my time before because he starts making a point and then just loses it in polemic and frequently discounts his own argument.
Sorry Axr, I really don't have time for this.
I have honestly tried to understand you, and have read many of your diatribes, but no more.
You entangle your own self in your own polemic. Perhaps you should be more succinct in future.
Good luck!
108 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 09:58 pm Report abuse
Yes, I want my position and my stance to win, but I would have the decency to accept when I can no longer hold a stance when im proven wrong. Of course I can taka another opinions and accept challenges to my position like occurs in any debate....But that depends a lot in the decency and honesty of ther other side. So that excludes you.

You dont because you are just here to troll around.
If you would say Mujica or Maduro is the best president in the world for X reason but admit that you are doing so from a Scandinavian origin not a local point of view. Hence you have lied all along about.
109 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:03 pm Report abuse
You want your stance to win... and a golden cucurucho is the prize.

You don't accept challanges. I asked you three times if you can tell me where the infamous Vaca Azul is from, and you avoid the question.
Because it's a question that only a Uruguayan could answer.

My point of views have nothing to do with my whereabouts, it's not like I change opinion because I travel...

Are you upset because you can't travel?
Try getting a job...
110 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:36 pm Report abuse
Stevie that doesnt mean a shit. Anybody can randomly google those things. I cant even consider you any seriously..Its like asking you who was the number 2 of peñarol when Enzo debuted in River. It doesnt mean anything Stevie. You cant google your way to uruguayeness. There is bound to find and research things of Sweden your own home country you dont know about just with google. Because for the simple reason you cant know everything. But what you cant make mistakes in wordings expressions and words of the River Plate, you have never being to a night club in your own country. I have. You are total FRAUD, that is too much mistakes, to many flounders that cant be erased and I can just feel it because I have being braught up and lived here.


So your opinion is entirely discredited. And if you want me to travel for business reasons I have told I will be in Montevideo in June.. I will be all to happy to break your face then for trying and attempting to call me a expat, being a Sweedish turd yourself.
111 Stevie (#) Mar 26th, 2014 - 10:48 pm Report abuse
Cabeza, you can't even spell properly in Spanish, much less google where Vaca Azul comes from.

Try it... and I don't mean the spelling, that's out of your league...

By the way, Río de la Plata is not Argentina. You ask me questions about Argentina and Projects those to Uruguay. I have to rpeat myself, we don't study your crap lyrics in depth and no, we don't know your junkie friends.

Before having a go at me, learnhow to spell.

And Google Vaca Azul (which you abviously already have and still can't answer my question...)
112 CabezaDura2 (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 01:04 am Report abuse
Ohh you f*king retard here is a clue....I dont give rats arse about the Vaca Azul, Caca amarilla, Vaca rosa, vaca verde o vaca beige... Do you think I even cared to google that ?? Do you think I even believe you looser wannabe???

You are a FRAUD and here is why...
Enough said

“Merluza = Terrible pedo
Ortiba = Gusano
Piedra = Vos
Vigilante = Many things, amongst them a Soplón”

“An alcahuete s a chusma, not a soplón.
The alcahuete spreads rumours and kisses arses, the soplón sells you out to the police or your parents.”

““Soy Cordobés, me gusta el vino y la joda y lo tomo sin soda porque así pega más””

“That's Rodrigo, not Cuarteto Cordobés, you expat...”
113 Stevie (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 06:00 am Report abuse
You got upset because google didn't work out for you?
114 bushpilot (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 04:57 pm Report abuse
Stevie, you don't vote in Uruguay.

You don't go there at all, let alone often.

It is not the expats' children who are becoming part of Latin America.

You are already a part of the Scandinavian culture. And your children will be even more Scandinavian.

Someday, you will marry a Scandinavian girl, not an Uruguayan girl, or you won't marry at all.

I don't need to know anything about Uruguay to know you haven't been there.

If all your hundreds and hundreds of posts were in Spanish, you'd be able to fool me easily. But you are speaking in plain english.
115 Stevie (#) Mar 27th, 2014 - 10:50 pm Report abuse
Not my fault.

“Comments must be in English”...
116 ilsen (#) Mar 30th, 2014 - 10:56 am Report abuse
High quality article here for those with a genuine interest in 'excesses of the State' in Venezuela.

panampost.com/maria-teresa-romero/2014/03/26/post-chavez-dictatorship-shows-its-face-in-the-national-assembly/

yes, of the State and not just it's agents. ....

so sorry to drag it back on topic. ...
;-)
I also recommend other writing by the highly respected author who knows more about Venezuela and its politics than most posters here!

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