Tuesday, June 17th 2014 - 06:37 UTC

Argentina pressing Francis over Falklands' dispute, says Vatican expert

Vatican officials are becoming increasingly irritated with the Argentine government after its ambassador to Britain, who is a vocal critic of the UK policy regarding the Falkland Islands, requested a private audience with the Argentine born pontiff, reports a piece by Edward Pentin, published by Newsmax.com.

Ambassador Castro has asked for a private audience with Pope Francis, which was scheduled for last week

Expert Pentin argues that despite all, the Holy See will keep to its neutral line on such sensitive political issues

Furthermore, Pope Francis in a message of condolence on the death of Margaret Thatcher spoke highly of the former PM

 According to the article, ambassador Alicia Castro was scheduled to meet the Pope on Monday of last week, but the audience was canceled at the last minute due to Francis having a “mild indisposition.” The Pope took off most of Monday and all of Tuesday last week to rest.

Mr Pentin, who has a long career reporting on Vatican affairs points out it is highly unusual for an ambassador accredited to another nation to have such an audience with a Pope.

“The Vatican won’t comment on the nature of Castro’s visit, but sources said the audience was most likely part of an overall Argentine strategy to use the Pope’s nationality, and his willingness to see a wide range of his compatriots, including those Popes don’t normally see, to try to keep up pressure on the Falklands issue”.

The British government is unconcerned by the latest possible attempt to manipulate the Pope. “The Vatican has been clear with us at a very senior level, including quite recently, that their long-standing position of neutrality on the Falklands remains in force, whatever Argentinean efforts to misrepresent the established position of the Holy See on this issue,” Britain’s ambassador to the Holy See, Nigel Baker, told Mr. Pentin.

Ambassador Castro, who is a political appointee, with a previous diplomatic experience in Hugo Chavez' Venezuela has been a key figure in pushing Argentina’s sovereignty claim. Pentin recalls that “she publicly ambushed Britain’s Foreign Secretary William Hague over the matter in 2012, asking at a London meeting on human rights if there was a chance for dialogue”.

As Archbishop of Buenos Aires, then-Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio joined his fellow Argentines in calling Britain “usurpers” of the Falklands, and President Cristina Fernandez refers to the Islands as a colonial enclave and its population 'squatters'.

However UK Prime Minister David Cameron simply said Francis was wrong on the issue and referred to the 2013 referendum in which the local population voted overwhelmingly in favor of remaining a British Overseas Territory.

“The white smoke over the Falklands was pretty clear,” Cameron said, a comment ambassador Castro criticized as “dumb” and which betrayed a “foolish” attitude on the part of the prime minister.

Mr. Pentin states that although Francis will probably continue to see a wide range of his compatriots in the future, like previous Popes he will continue to take the Holy See’s neutral line on such sensitive political issues.

He did, however, speak highly of Margaret Thatcher, who ordered British troops to retake the territory in 1982. In a message of condolence on her death last year, he recalled “with appreciation the Christian values which underpinned her commitment to public service and to the promotion of freedom among the family of nations.

”Entrusting her soul to the mercy of God, and assuring her family and the British people of a remembrance in his prayers, the Holy Father invokes upon all whose lives she touched, God's abundant blessings” said pope Francis.

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1 CaptainSilver (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 07:24 am Report abuse
Sorry Castro, Francis is a Thatcher fan, he knew she did the right thing by ejecting the Argentinian colonialists and had a convenient wobbly when you went to visit. You will have to content yourself with the support of your namesakes, Maduro and other midgets. Chicken or beef anyone?
2 Lord Ton (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 08:00 am Report abuse
Have you heard the new catch-phrase at the C24 ??

“Colonializm by consent”

Used by Spain to describe the situation in Gibraltar. Bet it comes to a country near you soon - even if it doesn't actually makes sense :-)
3 Bongo (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 08:55 am Report abuse
If the pope had ended up meeting Castro he'd likely have suffered a “severe indisposition”.
4 LEPRecon (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:06 am Report abuse
I love the timing of this.

Argentina loses in the US court cases regarding repaying their debts, and suddenly they have 'leaked' that they are pressing the Holy See to take a political stand regarding the Falklands.

This is something that he won't do, and indeed can't do, if he wishes to remain Pope.

But it may divert some of the great unwashed brainwashed masses into ignoring the fact that Argentina has lost, and will be forced to pay, or have its overseas assets seized.
5 malicious bloke (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:20 am Report abuse
Scraping the barrel a bit aren't they?

What's the pope going to do, raise a papal army and sail south for a great crusade against the unbeliever? LOL

I'm also opening a dead pool on which irrelevant bunch of plebs Argtards will go to next to try and get a statement of support. I hear the International Tiddlywinks Federation haven't declared their support either way yet, Alicia Castro should make them her next port of call.
6 Halcyon23 (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:53 am Report abuse
Will this retarded circus ever end.....the Botox Fantasy Wonderland smacks of increasing desperation with every passing week. Clearly the whack job that's sits in the 'Casa Fantazia' has set her sights on leaving a legacy to Argentina as being the 'El Presidente' that recovered the Fantasy Islands.....as the stupid Bitch's reign draws to an anti-climactic and in fact pathetic end (disastrous for the argentine people), even God (don't believe in myths myself) gives a fu*k...
7 zathras (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:10 am Report abuse
Surely next time Alicia Castro attends a public event in the UK we should introduce her to some Falkland Islanders.
I'm sure the Falkland Islanders will have one or two thing to tell her.
Let's she her reaction to being ambushed.
8 Halcyon23 (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:18 am Report abuse
To Maliciousbloke (5)..... The International Tiddlywinks Federation won't to ukc it, but the International Scrabble and Conkers Federations are considering it. Only if they get envelopes stuffed with Dollars and not Arg Pesos.... They may be corrupt but they're not Stupid...!
9 Benson (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:31 am Report abuse
Why don't you appeal to the church of the flying spagetti monster as well.
10 Welsh Wizard (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:52 am Report abuse
@9 they have and the church wasn't interested
11 cheekychulo (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 11:20 am Report abuse
First they try to influence their myth using sport and fall flat on their face and are threatened with disciplinary action then they turn to relgion in another attempt for recognition who rightly so turned their backs on such low tactics
It really is in the UK s interest never to rise to Argentinian behaviour as they have a canny way of shooting themselves in the foot through desperation.
12 Pete Bog (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 11:21 am Report abuse
,” but the audience was canceled at the last minute due to Francis having a “mild indisposition.”

She's too dumb to appreciate the purposes of throwing a 'sicky'

@2 Lord Ton

They don't seem to like the word consent very much-I bet Spain are gagging for a return to the good old days of Franco

@3 Bongo
Even if she was made to wear a veil?

@7 Zathras
Great idea-keep up the pressure on her. After all she wants the Islanders deported to the UK, so to meet Islanders in the UK would be a pleasure for her.

@5

My bet is on the International Society for Tyre Burning as they have a big foothold in Argentina.
13 HansNiesund (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 11:29 am Report abuse
@5, @8, @12

You guys can laugh all you like, but now that the black-browed albatross is on board, how much longer can even the Pope hold out?

www.entornointeligente.com/articulo/2680619/Otra-mirada-sobre-las-islas-16062014
14 AzaUK (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 12:51 pm Report abuse
The pope does not have the political ability to intervene in the matter of the Falklands. he has to remain neutral in matter of politics and wars. regardless of original country of the current pope. lol to you argentina!
15 The_TroLLing_Stone (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 01:05 pm Report abuse
Right, but as we speak the mighty USA and UK are groveling on the floor in front of the Mullahs for help to save-face in neighboring Iraq.

Let's recall Iran is a theocracy. And that not even Russia or China consider themselves “allies” of Iran, nor have they asked for help to them.

Let's also recall the massive hysteria and (fake) indignation when Argentina tried “talking” to Iran and engaging with it. But even Argentina never asked them to be allies.

And here today are the USA and UK, dropping their pants and acquiescing to any Iranian demand as long as they get dirty against ISIS.

This is the greatest humiliation ever. Not only was Iraq a disaster as a policy, not only your armies got humiliated with rag-tags, not only did you make enemies around the world for it... now your only hope for deliverance from further catastrophe is the Ayatollah.

HAHAHAHA. Eat it brits, utter and complete shame.
16 Britworker (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 01:21 pm Report abuse
When will these Argentines understand that Catholocism in the UK is a minority religion. 6 million practicing Catholics in a population if pushing 70 million, what influence do they think that the Pope has in the UK.

The Kirchner regime is coming to an end and next May the political picture in Argentina will completely change. Once the new government takes over and has a look at the finances, I doubt the Falkland Islands will be very high on the agenda for a long time time to come, if at all. All this recent activity is a last ditched attempt at achieving something from nothing.
17 HansNiesund (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 01:24 pm Report abuse
@15

You're right. It's a disaster.

Now please explain how this disaster makes Argentina a better place?
18 Nightingale (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 02:56 pm Report abuse
Cant see the pope wanting to return to argyland any time soon..
19 yankeeboy (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 02:59 pm Report abuse
I am not sure why Rgs think anyone of influence listens to the Pope. Do all of these idiots live in pre-1500s?
Sheesh
Their whole world is in collapse
20 Escoses Doido (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 03:19 pm Report abuse
Lmao! The day the pope takes up the moronic malvanista cause, will be the same day Jesus Christ returns.

And for myself, that means never.
21 Yinzer (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 03:25 pm Report abuse
I would think the Argentines would find it beneath their dignity to try to manipulate the Pope. Apparently, they don't. The Falklands are British, and the Argentine claim is flimsy and groundless. They ought to get on the stick and straighten out their domestic problems instead of stirring up trouble like this. As for referring to the Falklanders as “squatters,” their own Indigenous populations could easily say the same of them. This whole “issue” is nonsense stirred up by a corrupt, inept government in order to distract its people from its sins. As for the US nonsense in Iraq...one more reason to “thank” W. The man was a simpleton, his Vice Pres was Satan Incarnate, and now...Here we are watching those whom they hate, whose philosophy they despise, triumphant in Iraq. As the French would say, “tant pis!” But...we know that we can't even pretend to ask for Papal intervention to absolve us of our sins in Iraq...JPII and BenXVI both condemned us for messing around there.
22 ChrisR (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 05:25 pm Report abuse
Perhaps she thought saying 100 hail Mary's would do the trick!

It never does anyway as far as I am told. :o)
23 Briton (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
When Argentina has to move to the Gutter and act like the infection it is, then the world has to accept CFK finally has her Victory,
the destruction , humiliation and begging bowl of Argentina reduced to gutter begging,
shameful degrading and disgusting,

still,
Her bloggers will follow her to hell..lol
24 Steve-34-uk (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 06:50 pm Report abuse
Latest FI related news...

'Martin McGuiness gave support to Argentina Falklands - Principal deputy Northern Ireland, Martin McGuinness, today gave its support to Argentina's claim to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands
McGuiness, vice president of Sinn Féin, Republican political party devoted to the reunification of Ireland , expressed the support of his party to the rights of Argentina over the Malvinas...'
www.ansa.it/ansalatina/notizie/rubriche/mundo/20140617194435681103.html

'The dimensions of sovereignty • Susana Dieguez'
adnrionegro.com.ar/2014/06/las-dimensiones-de-la-soberania-%E2%80%A2-susana-dieguez/

'Daniela Castro deputy national chairman of the Kuwait Friendship Group ~ ...Kuwait is an important country for Argentina in international forums such as the UN and accompanying Argentina's foreign policy with regard to the claim for Malvinas mode resume negotiations and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and abide by the resolutions in force...'
www.diariolaprovinciasj.com/politica/2014/6/17/diputada-nacional-daniela-castro-presidira-grupo-amistad-kuwait-14578.html

'MADE BY MARATHON PORTEÑA “DIALOGUE AND PEACE” BY MALVINAS ~ ...This is the marathon “Malvinas, heart of my country”, jointly organized by the Secretariat of the Falkland Islands Relating to the Foreign Affairs of the Argentina Confederation of Sports (CAD) and ASE Argentina (Emerging South American Austral) Foundation .
“The marathon is an initiative to get everyone together, regardless of age, gender, religion, ideology or party affiliation, we unite around sport to express the best of ourselves: the solidarity of the Argentine people,” said Secretary Matters Relating to the Falklands, Daniel Filmus...'
www.elcomercial.com.ar/index.php?option=com_telam&view=deauno&idnota=461193&Itemid=116
25 nigelpwsmith (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 07:57 pm Report abuse
It must anger the Pope that Argentine politicians try to involve him in political machinations designed to distract the Argentine population, when there are pressing problems of abject poverty in Argentina. Poverty which the politicians would prefer to ignore, but which the Pope spent his life trying to cure.

Pope Francis is well aware of the cause of that poverty and it has nothing to do with the Falkland Islanders and everything to do with corruption at the top levels of Government. Castro is just the sort of political appointee who climbed the greasy pole, treading on the people below her, parasitically feeding off the public purse and keeping the poor beneath her.

No wonder he was indisposed to see her. The thought of meeting such a woman, who has caused so much misery must make him physically sick. He probably has to disinfect himself every time he is exposed to CFK!
26 gordo1 (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 08:20 pm Report abuse
I wonder if Alicia Castro is a Catholic or even a Christian of another denomination. Certainly her public behaviour is not atypical of a Christian.
27 Anbar (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 08:38 pm Report abuse
“”“”“”“The white smoke over the Falklands was pretty clear,” Cameron said, a comment ambassador Castro criticized as “dumb” and which betrayed a “foolish” attitude on the part of the prime minister.“”“”“”“””

Well, she is an expert on both things, so.....
28 golfcronie (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:12 pm Report abuse
@24
And the FALKLAND ISLANDS still remains a British Overseas Territory, and long to remain so, just get over it or take it to the International Court Of Justice. Why take poor little Uruguay to the ICJ and not the UK.
29 ilsen (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 09:33 pm Report abuse
is following this story.
30 Jack Bauer (#) Jun 17th, 2014 - 10:52 pm Report abuse
Alicia Castro's stupidity knows no boundaries.......but she too, like CFK, will sooner or later realize that the Pope, although Argentine, will not take sides. To the contrary of Castro, he knows the meaning of diplomacy .
31 BLACK CAT (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 05:42 am Report abuse
Your Holiness, there appears to be an old trolley dolly wishing to seek an audience?
32 golfcronie (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 07:50 am Report abuse
Castro to Pope, “the exits are here, here and here as witnessed by numerous nuns.”
“ Would you like one lump or two?” as she pointed to her breasts.
33 Usurping Pirate (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 08:27 am Report abuse
I wonder if she's there to threaten him with a tax audit , as they do with everyone who refuses to fall into line .
34 Corvus corax (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:30 am Report abuse
Good old Alicia at it again! This woman is just too funny to be taken seriously!

How did she get this job again???
35 GeoffWard2 (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:47 am Report abuse
#1
Maduro and the Midgets ... great name for a Mercosur rock group.

Remember Ray Stevens' Bridget the Midget ... with Strawberry and the Shortcakes. “I dig it, I really dig it”!
36 Briton (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 12:30 pm Report abuse
The pope in his goodness supports the good things and detests the bad things,
probably why he cannot support Argentina CFK .
37 Steve R (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 01:18 pm Report abuse
Just checked Martin McGuinness twitter feed and guess what other than a pic of him with her not a single word about the Falklands, not a single news report that I could find in the Irish press! You do know that he met the Queen so does that mean he now also supports the British?
38 Steve-34-uk (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 07:43 pm Report abuse
Latest FI related news...

'So were incidents between Argentina and Chile - The rivalry between Argentina and Chile added a new chapter of violence, this time on the beaches of Copacabana, in Rio de Janeiro. There, fans from both countries attacked each other for several minutes, but the police managed to contain the situation quickly. It all started with a duel of chants. The Chileans, who rounded the number of Argentines at the scene, began to charge the Argentinians with the Falkland Islands and they responded by alluding to the earthquakes that often suffers the neighboring country...'
www.notiexpress.com.ar/contentFront/internacionales-6/asi-fueron-los-incidentes-entre-argentinos-y-chilenos--193866.html

'The support of the United States and the ghost of Malvinas -
As in war, Argentina waited an American accompaniment that never came. The adverse decision of the Supreme Court of the United States reminds the Falklands War. Saving large and obvious differences, in one case as in the other, many believed that the U.S. would support Argentina and the defeat was not a possible scenario...'
www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/Fondos_buitre-corte-estados_unidos-deuda-default-Malvinas_0_1159084341.html

'Music for Peace: an Argentine musician played on Malvinas'
www.diariocronica.com.ar/112807-musica-por-la-paz-un-musico-argentino-toco-en-malvinas.html

'The Popular Movement Fuegian attached to Massa ~ ... also of importance to us fueguinos regional integration with Chile, the Falklands as a strategic issue and state policy, both nationally and Provincial the port city of Rio Grande...”
opisantacruz.com.ar/home/2014/06/18/el-movimiento-popular-fueguino-unidos-a-massa/21924?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=el-movimiento-popular-fueguino-unidos-a-massa
39 slattzzz (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:06 pm Report abuse
Just found another field in west Falkland...oh well fuck of trolley dolly
40 Leiard (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 09:09 pm Report abuse
@38 Steve

“The national government is like a cesspool of corruption”

opisantacruz.com.ar/home/2014/04/23/el-gobierno-nacional-es-como-una-gran-cloaca-de-corrupcion/20493
41 Joe Bloggs (#) Jun 18th, 2014 - 10:02 pm Report abuse
I just hope they can afford to keep Alicia in London. Otherwise FIG will have to up its foreign affairs budget. Before you deadbeats all bleat that the UK handles our foreign affairs, I know that but we also spend a fair bob on it ourselves.

The pope reminds me of an old chap here years ago who could not stomach his daughter-in-law (for justifiable reasons I might add!). Every time she came round to visit he used to tell his wife to tell her he's having a little nap. He confessed that to me over a beer or two one night in the club.

Chuckle chuckle

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