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Falklands' HMS Illustrious back in Portsmouth for the final time; HMS Ocean to replace her

Wednesday, July 23rd 2014 - 06:30 UTC
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The Royal Navy's helicopter carrier and Falklands' conflict veteran HMS Illustrious has returned to Portsmouth for the final time. Crowds lined the port to welcome the warship, which will retire after 32 years of service. The carrier, which clocked up 898,893 miles on operations, will be replaced by HMS Ocean, which has just received a £65m refit. Read full article

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  • Pete Bog

    Illustrious should be kept on for a few years yet. However we were stupid enough to retire the GR9s 7 years early, and the new build Sea Harrier 2 about 10 years ago.

    Hope another Ocean will be built to complement it and the super carriers.

    HMS Ocean-something we have in common with Argentina, or did whilst 25th de Mayo was still afloat...

    Jul 23rd, 2014 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Nice that she got a fly past. Respectful.

    Jul 23rd, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    A great ship,
    and another great mistake by Cameron...

    Jul 23rd, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero

    To Idiots usurpers must translate the items ...:

    Unanimous decision in favor of Argentina in Malvinas sovereignty over simulated process in Belgium.
    It is a common practice within the university, which aims to familiarize students with the advanced performance of both national and international, as entered the Center for International Law at the Free University of Brussels in their website tribunals .
    The procedure, which involves the preparation and development of a case inspired by the reality-took place in the context of the fiftieth anniversary of the Center for International Law at the University and the court ruled in favor of Argentina consisted of eight advanced students between 23 and 26 years, one Canadian, one French and the other, Belgian.
    “Las Islas Malvinas are subject to the sovereignty Argentine”, unanimously ruled the tribunal formed with course participants on “Settlement of international disputes” under a ruling that is available on their website.
    Under the process, the Argentina position was represented by the Argentine Marcelo Kohen, Professor of International Law, Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva; meanwhile, the British government's position was presented by Professor Michael Waibel University of Cambridge.
    “In its reasoning, the court found that, in 1829, the date of the British protest against the establishment by the Argentina of the Political and Military Command of the Malvinas, Argentina and not Britain had sovereignty over the islands,” Kohen appropriated Telam.
    Also explained that “the court also dismissed the British thesis prescription purchasing and the application of the right of self-determination of peoples to the present inhabitants of the islands.”:

    http://www.elmalvinense.com/malvinas/2014/2453.htm

    Jul 24th, 2014 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    ^ No one cares.

    Jul 24th, 2014 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • YoHoYoHo a Pirates life for me

    4,
    Take your case to the ICJ then!

    Jul 24th, 2014 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @4
    You could have shortened that to “Law students hold mock trial over the Falklands, it favours Argentina”

    Jul 24th, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @4
    You do understand 'simulated process' don't you?

    You can play Call of Duty but it won't make you a soldier.

    However, you do win the title of Most Pointless Post of the Day.
    Well Done!

    Jul 24th, 2014 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    4@
    if you think you are entitled to them, tale em to the ICJ...

    Jul 24th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    4

    Now officially the most stupid post on Mercopress!!

    Have a biscuit!
    Have two! You are a Winner!

    enjoy!

    Jul 24th, 2014 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cognitio

    Jose how desperate are you?
    Is that the best you can come up with?
    I feel so sorry for you.
    How embarrassing!
    The website link is a bit sketchy too. Got a McAfee warning when clicking on it. I guess that tells you all that you need to know.

    Jul 25th, 2014 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    Yup - go to the ICJ then Jose. :-)

    Jul 25th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Nothing to say Jose?
    Just post and run?

    Think we should call him No Say José
    arf!

    Jul 25th, 2014 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    @4 Under the international legal rules of 'Extinctive Prescription' Argentina had 30 years to present its legal case. Since the World court started in 1922 in the form of the PCIJ, Argentina's case ran out in 1952.

    Also, the 4 UN ICJ Advisory Opinions and 1 Judgment that state or confirm, 'that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL NSGTs' means that self-determination rules. This is in line with Article 73 of the UN Charter, Declaration on Non-Self-Governing Territories that states, 'the wishes of the inhabitants are paramount.' Understand 'Paramount.'

    Now concerning your sneaker wearing 'students.' The operative word is student. If you should still not be convinced, the person conducting the UK case was not British. Interesting.

    Still not convinced about Argentina's non-case?

    The New York City Bar Associations Committee for the UN discussed decolonization issues regarding Western Sahara and came up with the following in 2012

    Page 51, ''According to the ICJ, a state must demonstrate ties between itself and the people of a colony as a whole and over a continuous period and in a significant fashion immediately proceeding its colonization in order to overcome the right to self-determination of the inhabitants of that colony. ''

    Has Argentina achieved this with the Falklands? Not so.

    The document was signed by 9 international lawyers (not students).http://www2.nycbar.org/pdf/report/uploads/20072264-WesternSaharaDispute--SelfDeterminationMoroccosLegalClaims.pdf

    Jul 25th, 2014 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    According to the honest CFK,
    the world is corrupt and against them,
    so they will wait until they run the ICJ,
    until then, they will just jaw jaw...lol

    Jul 25th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    I am curious...Jose Malvinero appears to believe sovereignty in 1829 dictates sovereignty in 2014.

    Firstly, Argentine sovereignty of the Falklands in 1829 is highly highly questionable.

    However, Argentine sovereignty of Patagonia in 1829 is not questionable at all.

    So it seems simple, if Argentina wishes to return to its 1829 borders, it should go first.

    No?....thought not?

    Jul 25th, 2014 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Jose Malvinero
    believes in aliens, so what does one expect...lol

    Jul 26th, 2014 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @4

    ““In its reasoning, the court found that, in 1829, the date of the British protest against the establishment by the Argentina of the Political and Military Command of the Malvinas, Argentina and not Britain had sovereignty over the islands,” Kohen appropriated Telam.”

    So explain why Vernet asked permission from the British to have a settlement in the Falklands?

    Go to the ICJ if you believe you have a real case.

    Jul 26th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    To retire HMS Illustrious is nothing more, nothing less, than a horrendous (HORRENDOUS) mistake.

    Philippe

    Jul 27th, 2014 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    It's all very well keeping the ship but unless you can crew her there is no point.

    Jul 27th, 2014 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    “So explain why Vernet asked permission from the British to have a settlement in the Falklands?”
    As far as I have seen no Argentina has ever answered that question on here.

    Jul 28th, 2014 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @21 Benson
    I'm not expecting them to but I would have more respect if they did if only to qualify their arguments.

    The MLA's are doing a lot better, but I wish they would challenge the 'Vernet' the Argies keep unearthing to answer the same question as 'Vernet' seems to go to the UN.

    Something else the Malvanistas have never answered is why Vernet (after failing to get compensation from the USA), sought and got some compensation from the British government rather than seeking it from the United Provinces of the River Plate/later Argentina? Surely if the United Provinces had title over the Falkland Islands, Vernet should have sought compensation from them?

    Jul 30th, 2014 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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