MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
On Columbus Day, “we also pay tribute to the legacy of Native Americans”
Proclamation by Barack Obama - When Christopher Columbus -- a son of Genoa, Italy -- set sail across the Atlantic, no one could imagine the profound and lasting impact he would have on the world. In search of a westward route to Asia, he instead spotted the Bahamas. As dawn broke on October 12, 1492, Columbus's crew set foot on a Caribbean island and changed the course of history. For much of Europe, this marked the discovery of the New World, and it set in motion the more than five centuries that have followed. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGreat...celebrate by giving back the Black Hills of South Dakota to the Sioux Nation....as recommended by the UN....
Oct 11th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hang on a mo,
Oct 11th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0does not the scientist now agree that Columbus did not discover the new world ,
or did I hear it wrong.
The US celebrate Colonisation day
Oct 11th, 2014 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet UK gets moaned at constantly, even though there were no natives on the falklands
Now eating popcorn awaiting typical response probably involving either pirates or some rapist who is a national hero
2. you are correct. I guess that the difference that the White House mentions is in this sentance “no one could imagine the profound and lasting impact he would have on the world. ”
Oct 11th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Vikings never came back, the Polenisians seem to have traded and settled in California and Chile.
Sorry but if they are conmemorating Columbus voyage of 1492, the day of the discovery of america (continent), the real day he arrived for first time to America, wasnt the 13th, it was the 12th of october of 1492. Perhaps in north americans schools they study Columbus arrived one day later, or 13 is a lucky number to arrive to new places, but 13 is not the day. Is it a holiday day too??
Oct 11th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 5 malen
Oct 11th, 2014 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if what you say is true and frankly I don't GAF, how does that compare with the indoctrination of your favourite nation regarding the lies of 'it was ours first' crap?
TDC don't just move a day, they move centuries and STILL get it wrong!
Ha, ha, ha, (you get the idea).
“the Bahamas” ok, first Italian there, and??
Oct 11th, 2014 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Originally inhabited by the Lucayan, a branch of the Arawakan-speaking Taino people, the Bahamas were the site of Conquistador Columbus' first landfall in the New World in 1492. Although the Spanish never colonized the Bahamas, they shipped the native Lucayans to slavery in Hispaniola...............
Nice..... haha! Not!
The Bahamas became a British Crown colony in 1718, when the British clamped down on piracy. After the American War of Independence, thousands of American Loyalists, taking their enslaved Africans, moved to the Bahamas, where the Americans set up a plantation economy. After Britain abolished the international slave trade in 1807, the Royal Navy resettled many free Africans liberated from illegal slave ships in the Bahamas during the 19th century.
Bit better, methinks!
The Bahamas became an independent Commonwealth realm in 1973, retaining Queen Elizabeth II as its monarch.
In terms of gross domestic product per capita, the Bahamas is one of the richest countries in the Americas (following the United States and Canada).
Even better!
The Bahamanians remain loyal to the Commenwealth. Partly out of gratitude for saving them from the nefarious clutches of the Spanish and Italians. Eternally grateful that they are not Argentina!
Bahahahaha!! Go Bahamas!
So when are they getting the heck out of North America, those murderers?
Oct 11th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Oct 11th, 2014 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to whom are you addressing your comment? And for what purpose.
Anyway, here is a reminder about your ancestors.
It is estimated that during the Spanish conquest of the Americas up to eight million indigenous people died, mainly through disease and conquest by war, violent rape and murder.
Yup, you guys did that, your people. Good Show, old chap!
(not!)
Yet you are so quick to criticise the history of other nations.
Fail!
You retarded mentally handicapped fool,
Oct 11th, 2014 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The topic here is the discovery of America.
So how about the Americans meant what they claim to say and get th F-- out?
“You retarded mentally handicapped fool,”
Oct 12th, 2014 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, that's lovely, coming from one who claims never to insult people. Do try and keep up with what your multiple personalities profess.
Who are you today?
Where has that chinese fella gone to? I miss him.
“So how about the Americans meant what they claim to say and get th F-- out?”
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. What do you mean by 'Americans', the USA? Or the North and/or South continents? Or the indigenous peoples?
and what are they 'saying'??
Clarification seriously needed.
Sorry if you are having a bad day. Was it a choice between Internet or buying your meds?
pobrecito, I hope you are okay...
get some rest, there's a good boy!
*wipes TTT's febrile brow*
bless, he is normally such a good little troll, must have caught an infection, or something...
try and be gentle internet people...
@2&4,
Oct 12th, 2014 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0A whole host of parties had been trading with/visiting the entire North and South American continents from both the Pacific, and Atlantic sides for a very long time prior to 1492.
Even the Medieval Welsh, and it looks like the Romans also. (no, not just based on shipwrecks)
@12
Oct 12th, 2014 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I said be gentle! This is far too much information for him to process. Remember that he is on his sick-bed without food. Today is Internet Day, no food or meds!
You are just being cruel. You horrid man.
;-))))))))
xx
Fuuuuuuq Columbus
Oct 12th, 2014 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 & 10. You really must try to get rid of this idea that you seem to have that south america, particularly argieland, dictates anything outside your borders. The 'topic' is what the majority decides it is. In this case, there is a 'suggestion' that what some arseholes did is equally relevant.
Oct 12th, 2014 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you an indigene? Then why don't you want the Portuguese, Italian and Spanish to get the F--- out? After all, the British and North Americans created viable nations. Something south america has yet to achieve!
Quote: “Julio Argentino Roca, in contrast to Alsina, believed that the only solution against the Indian threat was to extinguish, subdue or expel them.
Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.
—Julio Argentino Roca,”
Sounds like a real little shit to me. Not too different from Hitler and his Lebensraum. As it happens, the territory he was talking about wasn't part of 'the Republic' except in his tiny little argie mind. As its title (Conquest of the Desert/Conquista del desierto) makes clear, it was a war of conquest. 'Conquest' means taking over something that belongs to someone else. So which particular 'murderers' were you referring to? The British, who made friends with the indigenous people wherever possible as confirmed where the indigenes became allies? The North Americans, who 'confronted' indigenes on a civilian basis? Or the south americans/argies, who went for military murder authorised by a 'state'?
“Sounds like a real little shit to me. Not too different from Hitler and his Lebensraum”
Oct 12th, 2014 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror.
Are you for real ?? I mean I dont care about you wanting to nuke Argieland or the Middle East, but common .... Dont you think twice from where you are talking and what do you say yourself ??
And Roca was right, he did finish with the indian raids for good were Alsina failed.
The generation and the leaders that Argentina produced in those years made the country into a world economic super power by 1900s-
What occured in the Pampas and the Patagonia was not to different to what happened in the US midwest
Well despite the ins and outs, I aint keen on Obama anyway,
Oct 12th, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he tends to sit on to many fences,
bit like the old cattle barons , fence em in, then sit on it..llolol
@15
Oct 13th, 2014 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0What part of this article don't you get? AMERICA, not Argentina, so all those English speakers, get the f--- out and return the lands to the natives (those few that are left).
There is no denying that the Indians in The Americas intregrated better with the Spaniards than the British.The Spaniards married into the Indian tribes while the Brits did not and therefore exterminated the Indians. One has to look at the current map of the USA to see that the remaining Indian are those who were governed by the Spaniards in South West of the USA. Apache/comanche/hopi/havasupai/kiowa/jemez/maricopa/lipan/mohave/navaho/papago/paiute/pecos/panamint//pima/pueblo/shosshoni/tewa /ute/walapai/yavapai/zuni/yuma/..how many existing Indian tribes exist in the 13 British colonies?????
Oct 13th, 2014 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great point, albeit obvious, but these Anglos don't seem to get it.
Oct 13th, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also notice how the Americans today glorify completely irrelevant figures like Pocahontas and Sawakagea or wharever the name was... As if just putting them on an underused coin is somehow going to wash their conscience of what they did to the natives east of the Mississippi, which was a COMPLETE and utter extermination. The ones that were not exterminated, become slaves and were sent on a trail of tears along which most died anyway.
Both natives under French Portuguese British or Spanish onslaught was bound to suffer extermination and their disposal of lands.
Oct 13th, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of all the European nations that came to America you have to consider the Netherlands and Russia as the most benigne to the natives.
That the Spanish mixed up with the indians to form a “Criollo” class was more due to the fact that Imperial Spain was pretty feudal in comparison to capitalist Britain, so the companies of soldiers that went to garrison the enclaves in the new world had very few Spanish colonist females to cross with as colonization was organised by the State. Look up the most common Argentine or latam surnames and they are non Italian nor any other European origin nor indian. They are all Spanish with the “ez” or “es” silable finishing.
The British colonies in contrast were funded by privateers and entrepreneurs and formed companies of families in Europe to be moved over and colonize and fund new settlements. So the British soldiers and militias didn't need to cross with the local women.
But that is all there is to it.
19/20
Oct 13th, 2014 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you may well be right,
but alas , do the Americans, or to you lot, united states of America s official language is English or Spanish,
it seems English had a slight advantage,,
still,
everyman to his/her own,
as for extermination. of the real inhabitants of the land,
Spain is not exempt ,..
but hey, you are what you are, the past is the past, and the future looks bright..
*22 The American Constitution does not have an official language, although English is the predominant language, Spanish is used all over the states.There are more Spanish speakers in the USA than in Spain.......and Spanish is the most taught language in the school as a foreign language
Oct 14th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0#19
Oct 14th, 2014 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should investigate the facts before posting. The Mexicans were even more ruthless in the extermination of the Apaches than the USA.
But again, that would clash with your hate the Gringo philosophy.
*21 and because the English took their families across and there was no need to cross with the local women, they took out their guns and BOOM!! BANG!!
Oct 14th, 2014 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the extra indian women were no more.......
25.
Oct 14th, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the English soldiers were worse and more bad because they didn't rape and take the indian women than the Spaniards??
??????????
Oct 14th, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History=yet depends who is writing it..?
The Dutch, English, Germans etc went to North America to settle and build new societies. Often to escape religious or political persecution at home. Others went to escape poverty and hunger.
Oct 14th, 2014 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Portuguese and Spanish went to South America to rape and pillage the land in order to take the booty back home. Not to build new nations.
Their colonies were bled dry to feed the monarchs and Catholic Church at home.
In both countries the Europeans committed genocide, by both war and new diseases.
That is the history. Now what?
*28 wow !! history teacher flunks history test! let´s go back to class,shall we??!!
Oct 14th, 2014 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) The Spaniards built cities from North America to South America.
2) The oldest continuously European settlement in the USA is ST Augustine (florida)
founded 42 years before the English colony of Virginia.
3) The Palace of Governors in Santa fe New Mexico is the oldest continuouly
occupied public building in the USA again founded by Spaniards.
4) The first printed book in America was in Mexico in 1536.......
5) Santa Fe. New Mexico founded by the Spaniards in 1607.Three years before
the English colony of Virginia.
6) The Spanish Dollar was used before the pound in the USA.
7) The horse,cattle,poultry.pigs and other livestock introduced by Spain into
the USA.
8) First city founded Santo Domingo in 1496 and then all centralAmerica and
most South America and the Phillipines.
SO BEFORE YOU MAKE IGNORANT STATEMENTS LIKE YOU HAVE
DONE ABOVE.DO GET EDUCATED!!!!
29.
Oct 14th, 2014 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting and ironic that the gold and plate that the Spaniards sacked and looted from the Aztecs, Incas and mined from Potosi eventually bankrupted the House of Austrias Empire due to massive influx of precious metal into Spain and its ellites caused cronic inflation as production and output remained stable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig5VQK1BjDg&list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3w
Bad Spain..
Oct 15th, 2014 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 29 spanisharseholee
Oct 15th, 2014 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if we accept that list, ha, ha, ha, WTF does it matter?
America did not develop due to the Spanish but rather as a result of all the nations that hate the Spanish but flooded into what eventually became the US of today:
Britain, the Dutch, the Germans and even the Italians helped make the US, NOT the Spanish.
It’s hilarious that the Spanish influence has come from the poor sods in Mexico trying to get into the US no matter what the cost in lives and money it takes AND still they come.
Is ANYBODY trying to get into Spain? NO, they are all trying to LEAVE, plonker.
And its only plastic off spring is Argentina..
Oct 16th, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While it is true that the Spainish founded some of the oldest areas in the USA, it was the French and English that established and grew those colonies ultimately turning them into what they are today. Of course this will sound racist to the monkey trolls, but I say......fuck'em. Has anyone seen a flourish Spanish based country yet? I mean look at SA as a whole? IS it something in their DNA that pretends them from not making the same mistakes over and over and again? North America is developed and what would you call South America.....work in progress.......after how many years?
Oct 16th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides was it not the brits that made the first Spanish omelette with their navy ...lol
Oct 16th, 2014 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Printed the first book, built the first city yada yada... and then what?
Oct 16th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who printed/built the tenth, the hundredth, the thousandth?
Not the Spanish, that's for sure.
I was making a point about how the two continents developed, how and why. If the Spanish influence was so powerful in the northern continent why did it turn out speaking English?
All the rest, is l guess, just history. ..
;-)
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/10/11/on-columbus-day-we-also-pay-tribute-to-the-legacy-of-native-americans#comment359098: You are right. You do sound racist. That is because you are a racist. And, like most racists, you lack any perception - always willing to rely upon the pseudo science of eugenics to support your ugly prejudices.
Oct 17th, 2014 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol so, then answer the question?
Oct 17th, 2014 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha cant, that might be Contrived as racist..lol
Oct 17th, 2014 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol it seems some some people when you reveal truth and reality and highlight blatant failures, one most be a racist.
Oct 17th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True.
Oct 17th, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/10/11/on-columbus-day-we-also-pay-tribute-to-the-legacy-of-native-americans#comment358757: Plainly you are not a resident of Texas. About 15% to 20% of the population here are descended from the Hispanic settler population. Likewise portions of the populations of NM, AZ, CA and CO have a similar lineage. The rubbish you are peddling is the usual Eurotrash stereotyping of American history.
Oct 18th, 2014 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0And plainly you are not a resident of the USA.
Oct 18th, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hence the high crime and murder rates there.
15% to 20% of the population here are descended from the Hispanic
Oct 18th, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit racist then,,, not mentioning the rest of the worlds population living there...lol
Hepatitis is sometimes USA, used to be Brazilian for a while, but is mostly British (bomber).
Oct 18th, 2014 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't feed the trolls.
He knows to much abt nothing...lol
Oct 18th, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 37 Hepatia
Oct 18th, 2014 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound like an idiot. That is because you are an idiot. And, like most idiots, you lack any perception - always willing to rely upon the pseudo science of bullshit to support your idiocy.
Have a look at yourself for once.
'nuff said.
Oct 19th, 2014 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed..
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