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Jeremy Corbyn and the Falkland Islands
'Following the controversial election of Jeremy Corbyn as the new leader of the British Labour Party, the Daily Mail published, on Monday 15th September, the following letter which was written by Patrick Watts who was Head of Falklands Radio 1977-1999 and who was broadcasting at the time of the Argentine Invasion in April 1982.' Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe need to be noticed, outspoken political ideals, there are always a few who will embrace the extremes of politics. Whether he ever considered he would be in the position he finds himself now, we shall never know.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0His role as the 'appeaser' will come back to bite him and his party. It will be interesting to see how much control the Labour party has over him and whether he will be quite so willing to talk with the 'others'. Easy when you are on the fringes of politics to make bold statements, but as the Libs found out, being in government, means you are playing with the grown ups.
'It is strange that this man, who purports to be a strong supporter of Human Rights, appears to steadfastly ignore the desire and rights of the Falkland Islands population who wish to remain British.'...They are white and British citizens, perhaps if they were anything but British and were physically fighting the UK for their independence he would support them. But the fact they want to remain linked with a country that he so despises for it's past/politics/future or what ever it his he seems to have a problem with, he thinks them not worthy.
Hmmm HRH Liz Windsor?
Sep 15th, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Someone should check up on honourifics.
Unless the Queen has been demoted to Princess recently.
Apparently to become a Privy Councilor, as he's agreed to be, Corbyn will have to kneel before the Queen ...... now if there happens to a sword around it would be a pity to miss the opportunity of a good swing :-)
Sep 15th, 2015 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is entitled to his own opinion. Whether he can convince the Labour party remains to be seen. However, he will have to persuade the British electorate before the next election in 4 years time....if he is still in post.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The electorate will decide ....not him.
@3...Skip, it's a screen name......not a factual statement.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it just a coincidence, or did the demise of Paulie Botty Boy, coincide with the rise of Mr Corbyn. You don't think they could be...do you.....same political ideals, insular, inward looking etc etc.
Corbyn is unelectable as Prime Minister. The British Public have rejected the far Left time and again. There will always be supporters of the politics of jealousy and envy, and they appear to be especially vocal. But the majority of the British want to live in an aspirational society where our government is not spending money we don't have.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Having just emerged from a recession we are not going to hand the economy to someone who will mess it up. People vote Tory because the alternative is national suicide, not because they are real Conservatives at heart. There is just no plausible alternative.
The majority of British voters are politically somewhere in the centre with slight leanings left or right. The majority believe a developed society should have a welfare state for the less able but they also want to live in an aspirational society where they can control their own destiny and spend their own money as they choose.
I read an article yesterday calling it not the Labour Party or New Labour but Dead Labour. I think that sums it up. And It is a real shame for British politics because a strong opposition is an important part of the democratic process.
It was interesting that when the new Labour Leader walked into the Commons yesterday there was not the usual cheers of welcome but almost complete silence from both sides of the house.
JC is a “useful idiot” (a term sometimes attributed to Lenin).
Sep 15th, 2015 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Labour Party had plenty of them during the Cold War and I guess Edward Snowden is the most recent case - handing Russia a propaganda coup.
Hey, what's that about an “internationally observed” referendum? Not one single country dispatched “observers”, it was instead only 8 privateers who accepted the full-board invitation sent by the UK. English diplomacy insists on this overwhelming failure? Not one single international forum has recognised this British stunt. Please, c'me on and stop crying over spilt milk!
Sep 15th, 2015 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many observers do you think you need for 2900 people.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from Argentina (who will hardly have a neutral stance on the issue), who else is complaining about the way it was conducted? Certainly not the UNGA
JC has the correct initials because he probably thinks, as all politicians do, that he is 'blessed'.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think he should be anointed with boiling hot tar from a full standard oil barrel, once cold and set he would be comparable to the other 'almost saviour of the Universe' one Han Solo of Star Wars. It makes as much sense as he does.
@8
Sep 15th, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems to me you are the one crying over spilt milk.
What you should be crying over is the deaths of hundreds of British and Argentine soldiers, not to mention all the wounded and those who suffered from PTSD all because of the arrogance of the whole Argentine nation. Please don't pretend it was only the Junta, we've all seen the films of the crowds of jubilant Argentines, though strangely they weren't so jubilant after 14th June although the astounding arrogance remains for all to see
8..Ermmm the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association did in South Africa in 2013...
Sep 15th, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This Association recognises the internationally observed Referendum held in the Falkland Islands over the period 10 and 11 March 2013, which sought the electorate’s views on their Political status, as a free and fair expression of Falkland Islanders wishes and their right to Self-Determination.”. Europe does accept it as they accept they are a BOT, except for Spain (but we know why that is, right).
So that makes 80 odd countries. How many have actually said they do not recognise it.
The thing is though Alejomartinez, no one needs to recognise it, how many forums throughout the world recognised the Scottish referendum result. It is an internal UK matter and only the UK need to recognise it. It is no one else's business. Did the UN issue a resolution condemning the referendum, did they issued one one following the Ukraine/Russia referendum.
I will give you a Clue...United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 2014
The picture showing the radio announcer being handed a paper by what looks like a solder but there are children laughing in the background? Is this a real picture? Why are there kids there seemed unafraid of what was going on?
Sep 15th, 2015 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone on the islands care to comment Thx
Everyone rest easy, Corbyn won't be around for long. He is unelectable as a Prime Minister and the main people in the Labour party already know this. There will in the next few weeks maybe months be a concerted effort to get rid of him. At the moment for quite a few younger people who voted for him to be the leader of the party he is s refreshing change. They will see his true intentions very very soon. No wanted to be in his Shadow Cabinet, that is why you now see MPs who you do not recognize or if you do in the case of Abbot who is one of the biggest racists on Gods given earth the penny will drop as to why she and the nobodies are in his Cabinet. What you will see happening is the Labor party members who had to live through the years of the Foot and that other idiot the Welsh windbag where they saw that when election time came they were crushed will clammer for him to be sacked. Its on the cards, he is finnished before he even starts.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, a pair of Garrard 301 transcription turntables in pic. I've got one of those -they have a bit of a cult following and fetch silly money.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is he as unelectable as people on here are saying?
Sep 15th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read a couple of months ago that he would never win the leadership contest.
If you put this particularly emotive matter of the FI to one side and look at some key points that might appeal to the electorate:
Iraq war: he opposed it from the start. With hindsight, much of the electorate might appreciate that.
IRA: he proposed dialogue from the start. In retrospect this is what happened in the end.
Expense scandal: No fraudulent claims submitted. You have to respect that.
EU: He is happy to leave - that is a big one for the UK electorate isn't it?
University fees: how many graduates here had to pay for their university degrees? This might resonate with many.
He seems to be an honest man with integrity. Is that his biggest problem?
@8. You're funny. What does the referendum have to do with you? It was an INTERNAL matter. The Falkland Islands have NEVER been part of argieland. NEVER will be. The observers were invited by the Falkland Islands Government, not the UK. It was made up of 8 independent, international election observers from Brazil, Chile, Mexico, New Zealand, Uruguay and the United States of America. Members included elected officials, civil society leaders, political party representatives and technical election experts. Somewhat more acceptable than the Crimean status so-called referendum. Where the Russian government invited individuals belonging to European far-right, anti-semitic and neo-Nazi parties to serve as observers. Strange how OSCE observers were turned away no less than four times. Equally strange how there are now screeches from some scotch that their referendum was “rigged”.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But let's stick with the Falklands. Do you have the honesty and intelligence to figure out how many Islanders would have voted, had there been no observers, to join with argieland? So how did the observers change anything? Have you noticed the screams of indignation from Islanders because they, and all their friends and neighbours, actually voted to join with argieland? Nope.
Perhaps they aren't impressed by the years spent telling them that they aren't people, that they're illegitimate and that they're squatters.
Just imagine if creepy Commie Jeremy Corbyn had been around during the Second World War. He’d have been down there at Dover, waving his white flag towards Nazi-occupied France and screaming “Let’s negotiate, let’s have a political solution.” Just as this surrender monkey would throw in the towel to Putin. Hamas, Isil and his loathsome crony President Corruptina Kirchner of Argentina. Corbyn is a disaster for the Labour Party.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corbyn is just a caretaker until an electable leader emerges.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This doesn't mean that the tax and waste party will not run him in the next election however,unfortunately for them.
Argentina is one of many rogue non-states which a properly constituted and financed UN would speedily put out of its own and everyone else's misery.
Nothing will come of either of them in the mid term,in the short term they will both provide alternating pain and amusement.
M
@16 In this case you are really not understanding the majority of the voters in the UK. On another thread someone (sorry forgot who) posted the voting statistics of his election within the Labour Party. It amounted to around 250,000 votes within the Labour Party voters. The majority of people that vote for Labour in elections are not members of the Labour party.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no doubt TB is despised for going to war in Iraq but that does not set Corbyn apart. Many people on both sides of the house opposed the war.
People remember the IRA mainland bombings of innocent civilians, his call for dialogue was not an option until 9/11. That changed everything when IRA funding dried up. At that point discussions started.
The expenses scandal? Dealt with and a non-issue now.
EU is a tricky subject but we are going to have a referendum under the current government so this will be a non-issue at the next general election.
University Fees are here to stay. They are already means tested so it does not discriminate against the financially disadvantaged. If he makes this a policy he is likely to alienate more people than win votes. We have just come out of the worst recession in our lifetime and most voters do not want a government that is going to spend, spend, spend.
These left-wing policies were tested at the last general election and roundly rejected by the majority.
His honesty and integrity are not the issue, in my opinion, it is his fitness to run the country. His ideals are completely anathema to the majority of voters. That is the problem with him. He may love kittens in a basket but the British electorate are far more sophisticated than that.
Well. Who would have thought it?
Sep 15th, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some British people do feel different about the convenience of keeping the Islas Malvinas under British flag.
Jeremy Corbyn being one--and a political leader at that--and the people who voted for him being some others.
But no worries, The Major confidently proclaims at #14:
“Everyone rest easy, Corbyn won't be around for long,” he notes.
I wouldn't be so smug.
In politics, the only sure thing is uncertainty.
Sorry, folks.
A Labour Shadow Cabinet would normally consist of a who's who of Labour.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This one consists of a who the hell is that of Labour.
PMQ's should be fun to watch!
Why do you refer to Corbyn's election as 'controversial'? He was elected by the membership of the Labour Party with 59.5% of the vote, easily beating the three other candidates. What is 'controversial' about this? I am afraid that this is yet another example of the 'spin' by powerful people and their media backers who fundamentally opposed to democracy when the outcome does not suit them. You may dislike Corbyn and his views, but please do not denigrate the democratic process that has brought him to power. By doing so, you simply reinforce the view on the left that neo-liberals are so opposed to policies in favour of a more equitable society that they will be prepared to jettison democracy if their class interests are at risk.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 enrique
Sep 15th, 2015 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Conservative party had been free to pick the two Labour MPs they would have most wanted to lead Labour, Jeremy Corbyn and Jack McDonnell are the two people they would have chosen. They are literally the two worst possible candidates for Labour to have any chance in a General Election.
The voting trends in the English marginals have been very clear. With each successive shift to the left Labour has lost vote share in these crucial seats since 1997. The correlation is clear and consistent. The 250,000 people who voted Corbyn in on Saturday represent ~1/60th of the people who voted Tory in May. So feel free to get your hopes raised if you wish, in fact I hope you do, but this will all end in tears for Labour as most of their MPs are aware.
@23 Corbyn was elected by around 250,000 people. Not enough to win an election in the UK.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I absolutely agree that in a democracy it is important to have the full gamut of political views. However, one needs to hold views that the majority agrees with to become Prime Minister.
I am keen to see how this unfolds but regret the demise of a strong opposition.
@21. Oh, dear. Still trying to suggest black is white, are you?
Sep 15th, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course there are British people who think differently. It's a free country. They can think what they like.
Perhaps you should read some of the comments. ElaineB pointed out that he got “elected” by maybe 250,000 people. The Labour party are, of course, desperate. The UK electorate consists of around 29,650,011. Do you get it? Corbyn's “victory” represents the current opinions of around 0.8% of the electorate. Have you read up on his “policies”? The Major is right. He won't last long. The people have seen what Labour does. They thought they'd try a “halfway house” with the Libdems. Found out it was a disaster. I wonder if Corbyn realises he's about to “lead” the Labour party into oblivion? He wants to, once again, borrow, borrow, borrow. A true recipe for disaster. I trust that the British people, less the useless migrants, have realised that you work with what you have. Corbyn's ideas date from the 60s and 70s.
No doubt he'll jabber a lot. Trying to reverse Britain's policies. But intelligent people can see the realities. In 2013, the whingers refused the proposal for military strikes on Syria. These days the British people want to know why Britain isn't hitting ISIS wherever it is. Why not? Because there are always cowards. Let's think about you, Reekie. Why haven't you returned to argieland and volunteered to lead the assault on the Falkland Islands? Wouldn't you like to die to realise the argie dream? Just imagine the headline, “Journalist Enrique Massot shot down and dies at the water's edge as he leads argie assault on the Falkland Islands. Four thousand other argie troops also killed. Assault force wiped out. Falkland Islanders offered the use of British weapons. No survivors. An unidentified Falkland Islander said, ”Argies aren't welcome here“.
The rest of the report suggested that argie corpses were thrown into the sea”.
As I have said before, I want the UK to have strong opposition and representation of both sides of the political divide. It makes for a fairer society. But extremes to the Left or Right do not sit well with the majority.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently Corbyn entered a conference today to the music of “Big Spender”. How to alienate the voting public coming out of a major recession caused by overspending by the last Labour Party.
An interesting take in The Guardian:
Sep 15th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”...Corbyn-mania (is) infuriating for those politicians and commentators who never saw it coming and are now eager to explain why it’ll soon go away. For this generation, still stuck in what theorist Jeremy Gilbert calls “the long 90s”, the political centre ground is a fixed address you simply plug into Google Maps.”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/14/jeremy-corbyn-austerity-labour-leader-economy?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
But The Guardian is the paper of the left with a circulation of around 185,000 - the second lowest in the country. If that article appeared in one of the mainstream papers with circulations closer to £2m it might carry some weight.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one gives a flying fart about Corbyn,even in places were if a monkey was the labour candidate it would be elected he doesn't seem that popular.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the previous posters have said the British are middle of the road.
Extremists do not get to be elected as prime minister.Argentina should take note.
#21
Sep 15th, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some British people do feel different about the convenience of keeping the Islas Malvinas under British flag.
Jeremy Corbyn being one--and a political leader at that--and the people who voted for him being some others.
You are making the stupid mistake that ALL the people who voted for Corbyn agree with his views on the Falklands. They voted because they wanted a return to left-wing politics. Probably most of the voters don't even know his opinions on the Falklands.
Well. Who would have thought it? One dummy did, YOU !
Ifs and butts , conspiracy theories , hindsight,
Sep 15th, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all very good for selling papers , TV ratings , and labours ego,
but,
as stated before, the British people will decide,
and the British may be many things, but stupid is a title we leave to tin pot dictators,
their would be more at stake than the Falkland
the whole world would change,
it wont happen, it never has happened , and it wont ever happen,
unless you know better than the British people.
It doesn't matter what Mr Corbyn thinks about the Falklands independence: he'll never be Prime Minister, and any British government would commit political suicide to discount the Falklands independence; which is defended in real terms... People died and were injured; some permanently, and their friends and relatives and comrades always remember.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@101 Exactly. Self-determination is the ace card anyway.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see the Pope is complaining in the Argentine press about feeling used by certain people. Hmmmm. Who do we think he means?
Worth remembering that if the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands no longer wished to be a British overseas territory it would be no more part of Argentina than it is now.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact they have a greater claim on sovereignty than Argentina ever will have,as the claim precedesthe Argentina UDI,which has been accepted by the international community merely in the absence of any other pressing claim.
As I said,its acrogue and bankrupt non state and should be split into several smaller parts,some given to Chile,some allowed to self govern and some put under UN oversight until they grow up.
M
they will never defeat this lot,
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The Argentine navy has ordered 5 Chinese corvettes at $50 million each.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Basically a Chinese junk with an old soviet era gun,some crap missiles and a helicopter capability.Assuming they actually have any helicopters!
An old type 22 could blow all 5 out of the water from 80miles away.
The mythical Malvinas class.Probably best stay in port.Come to close at your peril.
They could have bought corbyn for a song..
Sep 15th, 2015 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch out Jeremy, you are making a few fellow countrymen in Malvinas(Argentina) very upset, please read about Royal Marine Alan Addis.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good old Corbyn. His idiocy will make Labour a thing of the past.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0No more left wing nobbo governments in England
#12 and the like. The illegality of the referendum was the very reason why NOBODY recognized this English move as it runs counter to international law and UN mandate on this specific case. The “international observers” were a bunch of privateers invited and cated for by the UK. NOBODY was there in any official capacity whatsoever. Stop lying and distorting facts. UN and world fora paid no attention whatsoever to this stunt as international law prevails
Sep 16th, 2015 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please clearly state the “international law ” that the Falkland referendum ran counter to.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also please show me which “UN mandate” that this referendum was also in breach of.
As usual, I doubt that someone with an Argentinean education is capable of providing answers to such easy questions.
Those were the days - taken from a British local newspaper 16/09/2015
Sep 16th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/nostalgia/lord-mayor-welcomes-an-argentine-cruiser-to-portsmouth-1-6959384
Looks like our malvinidiots are having wet dreams over J.Corbyn.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Noooooooooo, malvinistas, Corbyn won't/can't give you the Falklands.
Don't like the look of the fellow, myself.
ICJ or shut up.
Both AlejoMartínez and the juvenile Marquitos Alejandrito are, as always, show their total lack of understanding of the situation.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alejo Martínez is clearly totally unaware of the working of the UN and its committees and, of course, el niño Marquitos Alejandrito introduces a matter which has nothing to do with the Falkland Islands and Argentina's failing efforts to sell its claim to sovereignty of the archipelago.
Marquitos Alejandrito, by the way, has still failed to respond to my request for him to explain some weird remark he made about me in another thread. But, hey, that's the nature of a weirdo!
Three times, in 1947, 1948 and 1955, the United Kingdom told Argentina it would accept mediation over the Falklands by the International Court of Justice. On each occasion Buenos Aires rejected this completely reasonable and generous offer. It is obvious to everyone why Argentina was scared of mediation: it knew it had no legal case for ownership of the islands. After all, Britain settled the Falklands in 1765, before Argentina even existed. But even if Argentina had said it would accept the court’s judgement, it could never be trusted to keep its word. In 1971 Chile and Argentina both agreed to accept binding arbitration in yet another Argentinian sovereignty dispute, over islands in the Beagle Channel. However, when judges from the International Court of Justice decided unanimously in favour of Chile, Argentina rejected it. The corrupt, criminal, bankrupt, lawless Argentine narco-regime of Cretina Kirchner can never be trusted.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not,in the eyes of the international community,a sovereign state.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither are many of the other South American states.
This is because they consistently refuse to adopt even a French level of
Democracy,although some get close to the Italian version.
It's all terribly easy,just ring the FCO and ask how to do it,if you cannot read English on the internet.
There are no short cuts or easy answers,you just work the model.
And when the process produces a Foot,Corbyn or some other loony leftie you just humour them into obscurity.
Today Corbyn refused to acknowledge the National Anthem.
His days will be both unpleasant,painful and numbered.
Just like Argentina's as a state that anyone but other rebel states wish to do business with.
You Argue sympathisers love a good rant,so give me the factual proof that I'm talking bollocks.
Include the date of your submission to the I CJ for The British Falklands,we have all been patiently waiting.........
M
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@47 merlin
Sep 16th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina claims to be a democracy - NEVER in its entire history since 1810 has it ever shown any similarity to what is acknowledged to be a democratic country.
It has varied between government by privileged minorities and military rule.
Alejomartinez....Ermmm which bit of my post didn't you understand, or maybe you are so used to the lies, tat the truth becomes invisible.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You state the 'NOBODY' recognised the referendum (I assume this is what you meant when you said 'English Move', just shows your ignorance), but I have shown you a statement from 53 countries, which recognise the referendum which you clearly state that 'NOBODY' recognises. Please explain that in your myopic world view. Where is proof that nobody recognises the referendum, so far we have just your warped opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
You have just proved you are a liar, a fool, uneducated and ignorant of the facts, well done, I congratulate you on being the most redundant poster on here.
'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.'.....Read and digest you fool, it will stand you in good stead for your next post.
8 & 41 Alejomartinez
Sep 16th, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong, as to the Referendum the UN has stated nothing, and “silence in law is consent”, therefore the UN has given legal approval of the referendum.
Regarding the right of self-determination and the Falkland Islands here it is in simple terms: in 1946 the UN agreed to place the Falkland Islands on the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories. The UN states that the inhabitants of all Non-Self-Governing Territories have a right to self-determination. The Falklands are on the list, so they enjoy the right to self-determination. The Islanders are fully entitled to to “self-determination to wit:
With the completion of the Referendum UK has for filled all it's legal obligations under the Charter, as the Islands are now ”decolonized“. It's therefore irrelevant who doesn't accept the affirmation of international law, as it is not the UK's problem, as there is no legal power on earth to compel them to do anything else. ”UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...“
It was tacitly recognised by Argentina, otherwise she would have applied to the ICJ to have it estopped. Nor is the UNGA invested with any authority to prevent the exercise of a lawful Charter right. Those countries that remained silent are deemed to legally support the referendum.
Overview of International Law and Institutions; Sources of International Law
”Nations that remain silent, however, may become bound by the rule, even if they did not expressly support it. Silence, in other words, is considered a form of implicit acceptance.“
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cybersecurity/Ov...
The legal effect of silence on international organizations and nations is as following:
”Customary international law; S
Considering you argies don't know what international law is, and is why you regularly ignore the thing,
Sep 16th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you have no argument on here,
all you want is the same thing you condemn others for
an empire of your own,
other countries next to you should watch their backs.
@50 Terence Hill
Sep 16th, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your link is incomplete and therefore unavailable.
@41
Sep 16th, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The illegality of the referendum was the very reason why NOBODY recognized this English move as it runs counter to international law and UN mandate on this specific case.”
But this was not an 'English' move, or for that matter a UK move.
The referendum was the idea of the Falkland Islands Government.
They sit in Stanley, not London.
Why was the referendum in your opinion illegal?
Does that not make the Scottish in/out referendum illegal too as the people who live in Scotland wanted it?
What UN mandate does the Falklands referendum breach?
The UN define the Islands as a colony (incorrectly) which means that according to the UN, their wishes are for the Independence of all colonies(it's the C24s mandate), and Resolution 2065 deliberately places emphasis on the words 'With regard to the implementing of the Independence of colonial peoples.'
The referendum is another stage to future independence from the UK (although you will be aware of the UN's acceptance of association with the country of choice).
So as the Islanders have through their referendum moved closer to Independence than they were before 2013, they cannot be moving away from the UN mandate, but towards it.
50 Terence Hill continued
Sep 17th, 2015 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The legal effect of silence on international organizations and nations is as following:
“Customary international law; Silence as consent;
Generally, sovereign nations must consent in order to be bound by a particular treaty or legal norm. However, international customary laws are norms that have become pervasive enough internationally that countries need not consent in order to be bound. In these cases, all that is needed is that the state has not objected to the law....”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_international_law
The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Sep 17th, 2015 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@55 Hepatitis
Sep 17th, 2015 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have been saying this for several years now and the Argentine cause does not prosper one iota. So the fact that you keep posting this same message means that you are admitting that the date you forecast will never arrive!
Corbyn is changing his “firmly held beliefs” already.
Sep 17th, 2015 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0How long before he claims Patagonia as UK Sovereign territory.....which of course it is.
@57 Englander,
Sep 17th, 2015 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed, we were there many years before the Argentines.
lts a part of our “Territorial lntegrity”
The Argentines there are “Squatters”.
An “implanted population”.
Despicable people.
#56
Sep 17th, 2015 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have come to the conclusion that “Hep” is an automatic post that is triggered by the Troll commander hoping to annoy or aggravate the opposite camp.
It's just so fatuous a statement that it is better to ignore it instead of reacting.
55 Hepatia
Sep 17th, 2015 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will return the Chaco it stole from Paraguay before anything changes in the Falklands. And when the Chaco is returned to its rightful owners, perhaps its starving people will get the food they deserve. To think that when the Qom aboriginal boy Oscar Sanchez died in the Chaco last week at the age of 14, he weighed 11 kilos. Shame, shame, shame on the corrupt, criminal, bankrupt, murderous Kirchner regime which allows children to starve to death. But, let's face facts, Corruptina is so ignorant and callous she has no concept of shame.
@59 Clyde15,
Sep 17th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l had quite a heated discussion with Hepatia about a year ago.
He/she/it came across as extremely anti-Anglo, didn't even seem to like U.S.Anglos either & was crowing about the high Latino birthrate in the US, & how they would soon take over & the US would be a majority Latino country.
Of course it wouldn't surprise me to find out that she(think its a “she”)is also a puppet. Maybe even one of Think's creations.
l got the impression of an extremely nasty individual. No humour at all.
But who knows?
Found this on YouTube and thought it highlighted Corbin and his so called promises.
Sep 17th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtu.be/tyNI7wmjS6s
Hope you all enjoy.
Gordo1 @ 56
Sep 19th, 2015 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years”.
I believe that Hepatia's oft-repeated statement has been lifted from the words of David Scott, under secretary in charge of dependant territories at Whitehall.
He told Beltramino in 1971 that “the islanders would be under an Argentine flag within 25 years”.
@ 63 ynsere
Sep 19th, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see he was as correct about that as he was about Rhodesia.
Bit of a loser to say the least, still he was Knighted for incompetence as usual in the FO.
Chris @ 64
Sep 19th, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Knighted for incompetence”. LOL
@55
Sep 19th, 2015 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will be returning Ushuaia and Santa Cruz to the Falkland Islands within 25 years.
Suck on that.
@63 ynsere
Sep 20th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may well be right! By the way, I prefer to call her/him/it HEPATITIS as that name seems more appropriate - she/he/it is too “yellow” to identify herself/himself/itself!
There are recently published douments that Argentine soldiers where tortured by their officers during the Island war.
Sep 20th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you get rid of the young men, sons of the opposition? I you only could invent a legal war...
If Thatcher knew about this, which I'm sure she did, they sent some 255 British soldiers to their grave, in order to keep the juntas money-making machine alive, just as Corbyn said back then.
And Argentina, well they got rid of 649 kids, sons of the opposition. They got tortured in the process.
#68
Sep 20th, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If Thatcher knew about this, which I'm sure she did,”
So, you have a blinding insight into the situation on 1982 ? Have you seen documents released or stolen from the MOD or the Cabinet. Please supply with authenticated briefings or correspondence.
The great conspiracy theory surfaces again in a new guise. Absolute rubbish !
@ 68 Breakdowns R Us
Sep 20th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're back, let out of the asylum for behaving yourself?
Nevermind, you will soon be gone again if you start your lying and name calling once more.
It seems you have already started!
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201509/119633-archivos-secretos-malvinas-torturas-soldados.html
Sep 20th, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It makes perfect sense.
Wars are money, right?
What do you call the Thatcher-Galtieri deal?
Win-win for both?
There was no deal,and there could not have been,and for many disparate reasons.
Sep 20th, 2015 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are being a conspiracy theorist.
Usually,these are people who like to find a reason for their own inadequacies and underperformance that does not in any way reflect on their own lack of effort or application.
Some call them idle,some intellectually feeble,and some merely intellectually feeble.
I just think that they are irresponsible wastes of space and best composted.
M
#71
Sep 21st, 2015 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Britain entered WW2 for pecuniary advantage ? Explain !
52 gordo1
Sep 21st, 2015 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, the old link doesn't have it anymore, but it can be found here:
Overview of International Law and Institutions, Sources of International Law
“Nations that remain silent, however, may become bound by the rule, even if they did not expressly support it. Silence, in other words, is considered a form of implicit acceptance.”
p. xxv, FOREIGN RELATIONS LAW
https://lawfare.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/staging/s3fs-public/uploads/2013/05/FRLCM_FM.pdf
68 Stevie
Sep 22nd, 2015 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If Thatcher knew about this, which I'm sure she did... ”
Ha ha stevie, change the story to suit your message.. LOL!!
How would be privy to, or KNOW anything, intellectual superiority??
Ha ha ha... yer just a warmed up Marcos-the-dimwit, socialist pawn :-)
Remember when you said Chavism was the SA success story and model of the future...?
I guess you were half right! ja ja ja...
Lets not forget your 80 yo SUPA TUPA, contemporary of Mujica, claims... until you ridiculed 50 yo Capt. Poppy for being an “old man”!
Or your claims of terrorising, torturing, and humiliating a US civilian prisoner... until that met with distaste and disapproval... !
Youi haven't even the confidence of your convictions.
What a spineless whiner
The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Sep 22nd, 2015 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0#76
Sep 22nd, 2015 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0In a parallel universe it may be possible that you could talk sense.
Argentina will return Sta Cruz within the next 25 years.
Sep 22nd, 2015 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 076 Hepatia
Sep 22nd, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.”
...and CFK will suckle the poor to her breast.
Do you see how stupid both those things sound?
*cue Sid James type laughter*
Nobody to return them to as the bankrupt rebel pseudostate known as Argentina never owned them and not other did anyone else who wants them.
Sep 22nd, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Useful place to have though when be become annoyed enough to take back the huge swathes of Argentina that Peron annexed illegally and liberate the rest.
M
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