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Brazilian situation shows division among Unasur members

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Unasur, the Union of South American Nations is divided on how to address the Brazilian situation: while Uruguay, Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia have agreed on a strong statement in support of president Dilma Rousseff, Argentina expressed 'institutional support' and Chile abstained. Read full article

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  • Brasileiro

    This Argentine Government is worthless! Are puppies of North-Americans!

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Very Beautiful (2 words) is the perrito faldero of the yankies. Happy we are going to pay millions of millions to the holdouts supermillonaires.
    The right is coming and they love coups.
    Unasur should be stronger than ever.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    1. Your country is crumbling! 3MM+ protestors wanting impeachment.
    Dilma won't be able to hang on much longer

    I wonder what the military will do?

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Wait till the protests planned for this Sunday!

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    VB and family is and was so corrupt that you can google it and find it easily.
    his friends family ceos working with him now too.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    MadNic is always complaining that other countries are interfering in the hell hole that is Venezuela but, he has no problem opening his trap when it comes to other countries democratic processes doing what they are supposed to do. Maybe the rest of Unasur should pay a little more attention to what Argentina is doing if they want credibility on the international stage.

    Never mind commenting Brasshead...you have nothing to say that is in the least worthwhile.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    I am working to overthrow the coup. I'm doing everything possible and impossible to clarify the Brazilian people over the interests of the ruling class ally of the United States.

    If we can stop the coup we will free all of South America and the Caribbean of the US hegemony in the region. Brazil is the wall of South America and the coup leaders will not win!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j13XYd1E20

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Bras you are one funny bugger I'll give you that - best laugh I've had sinsce Tuesday

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Brazil's problems are of its own making.

    The fact that neighbouring countries are losing respect for Brazil is again of Brazil's own making.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @7 Brasso, I am so pleased that you are working to overthrow the coup, please explain how you are going about this, as in the UK we are not familiar with a coup. We do things democratically not like you and your “ banana countries ”.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Yes we have no baaaaaaannnnnnnaaaaaaannnnnaaaaassssss . . . . but we do have a genuine populist based insurrection wanting to throw the commie bastards out of office - just like in Chauvastan. Problem is that in latam the commie mentality is so multigenerationally rooted in the cultural ethos that half the people love the thieving commie bastards to the exclusion of their own self interest and would rather see the nation in ruins than prosper at the hands of their political rivals the capitalists.

    Viva la revolution! Ieeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Latam sewer rats have nothing that America needs or wants and if we do at some point we'll buy it.

    Lol.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Portugal!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWEuSHjVEYc&ebc=ANyPxKrasQaRxhHXHTo7_O4Al5Bm19qlUsSNpk4NQV_pSO22UJojQ4EmpKnBXuQSVcQVI5Tth0M5nQzKWfHx0aJdK30BbIauxA

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Portugal Brasso? You want to go back to mummy?

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Portugal is very important to us. Los 33 de Lavalleja no!

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    I think the 'Nin Ninny' of Uruguay and the 'Malignant Midget' of Argentina make a superb pairing. Dumb and Dumber springs to mind.

    Given the fact that the PT are the same as The Broad Fraud of Uruguay, a military overthrow would at least be relatively 'legal' unlike the seditious murdering commie bastards known as the Tupas who overthrew a legally elected government that was not suffering the problems that Brazil are facing. THAT resulted in the elected government having to call in the military to 'save' them.

    Just what is it with most LatAm countries?

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Viva Bolsonaro de la República Oriental!

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Brasso, tell us what you are doing to overthrow the coup.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    I'm hosting a GLONASS receiver that finds anything I want.

    Including your current location!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYalh-m6-0c&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=3

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    No to the coup in Brasil.
    Similarly to Argentina, the media and the judiciary are doing all in their power to trump the results of the last election.
    They have a very singular interpretation of what “democracy” means.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Coup?
    By their Supream Court?

    Are you sure about that?

    What a nut.

    Mar 19th, 2016 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Enrique

    Democracy is annoying when it doesn't go your way. The judiciary is together wit the executive and legislative, one of the pillars of Brazil's democracy.

    I know in your warped persecution complex that you can't understand that.

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Enrique,

    You would do well to remember that according to polls, Dilma has 8% or less of support of the Brazilian people. The MAJORITY of the ordinary people of Brazil feel she has betrayed them.

    Likewise, even after the “Won Decade”, 10 years of Kirchener rule and policies, the MAJORITY of Argentines rejected CFK and Scioli, and made Macri the legitimate President of Argentina.

    Like it or not, that is what the PEOPLE want, regardless of the K's and K propaganda.

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    It's funny that a judiciary upholding the law is considered a coup according to Enrique's logic.

    How does he function in Canada? Surely a stable working democracy confuses the feck out of him.

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Coups, oligarchs, NeoLiberals... hackneyed old Communist rhetoric and dogma, Enrique is a snapshot of the Cold War Leftist.

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    I know. Does he realise it's 2016?

    The oligarchs in Venezuela, Brazil and Argentina are the governments or ex-governments that Enrique supports.

    Is corruption better when it comes from the 'left'?

    Why can't people such as Stevie, Enrique and Brasileiro always fail to denounce corruption when it occurs in or under governments they support? I'd be disgusted if a government I supported or voted for stole my tax dollars.

    Every tax dollar stolen is a dollar less spent on me or someone who needs it.

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • L0B0MAU

    Hi, Skip!

    REF: “Every tax dollar stolen is a dollar less spent on me or someone who needs it”:

    True! The bottom-line says it ALL!

    But after the investigations, declarations of the witnesses, the undeniable proofs, etc. are obtained; how to receive these stolen dollars back from the corrupts, is the only problem. ;(

    I understand that so far only a SMALL part has been returned. Besides the 100% recovery of the stolen money, the culprits must PAY the penalties and must also be severely punished as the “common-criminals” - WITHOUT any special privileges & benefits and without any comforts in their “individual cells”. If ever that really happens; THAT's the perfect justice served!

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Skippy:

    do you actually pay any net taxes?

    I'm always chagrinned by this kind of socialist/commie-light dog that when the all in accounting is in receives more than they pay in but wants to posture about budget allotment when they're a net freeloader. This type is the primary client of the left after all. And you dare criticize the poor brasser who wants his pockets filled also. There's only one shade of black - the color of the pot is the same as the pan. You and your ilk are no better.

    (Oh yes: If you are going to lecture and attempt to pontificate - try to get it right. Four legs to the stool - the fourth is a free and independent press which is elusory in much of the world particularly latam.)

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @27 chronic

    In your haste to insult and criticise Skip, or denigrate him as a layabout, you have totally missed the point.

    Misappropriated public funds no longer provide the services they were intended for, whether that be social programs or projects that benefit the whole population.

    I am sure that Skip is not just talking handouts. Try transportation infrastructure, building and funding universities and schools, building hospitals, funding police forces, the armed forces, monitoring and policing resources, funding research, etc.

    If you are wishing to make this personal, reading his posts, Skip
    appears to be better educated and far more measured and professional than you.

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • L0B0MAU

    The Brazilian Economic Crisis began when the Minimum Wages increased instead of lowering of the Cost of Living.

    Increasing the Minimum Wages was more easy [immediate but superficial & illusive] than the Lowering of the Cost of Living [long-term, more realistic and effective].

    Despite the above mentioned facts;
    #1º: The wages - mainly of the poor - were increased.
    #2º: Credit-Facilities were increased, made easier and were extended [making Bankers happier!]
    #3º: Excessive number of jobs were created artificially, needlessly & indiscriminately; mainly in the Public-Setcor.

    The Immediate Results were:
    A:- Creation of an “illusion of boom” and
    B:- Publicising low % of Unemployment.

    Both the tactics worked - SUCCESSFULLY - as an EXCELLENT Political Strategy to gain Popularity & the Sympathy [VOTES] of the MASSES [mainly poor, mostly illiterate, brainwashed, etc.].

    The Policy however failed miserably as an Economic & Commercial Strategy because gradually; EVERYTHING became more expensive due to the higher labour-costs, higher interest-rates and higher taxation.

    Even those who were initially pleased to receive higher salaries; eventually had to spend more due to the still Higher Cost of Living. They eventually realized that they continued to remain poor, ending-up with increased debts - instead of increased bank-balance!

    Unfortunately - besides the scandals & corruption - they still remain brainwashed till today!

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Recent Reuters article suggesting that Dilma doesn't have enough votes in the legislature to defeat the impeachment process.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics-idUSKCN0WM0XK

    “ The senior PMDB source told Reuters that, if the lower house gives the green light for a trial, the ruling coalition lacks the one-half votes in the Senate needed to refuse the request to try her there. That would mean Rousseff would automatically be suspended from office and Vice-President Michel Temer, the leader of the PMDB, would take over for six months during the trial.”

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    All those people along the beach demanding they both go,

    perhaps its time.

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    28. Nice try. Not. Skip is just infinitely further left and naive to the point of delusion. Better luck next time.

    Mar 20th, 2016 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Chronic

    You run around like Luci's poodle and jump on memes without thinking them through. I've lived in 6 different countries and travelled through 30 or so. Yes I pay taxes. I work. I study. Unlike you, it seems I can handle doing more than one thing at a time.

    You don't actually argue a point but instead head straight for the facile troll fallback position of ad hominems. You keep saying I am left.... left of what?

    I mean, come on dude you are supposedly so intelligent and more worldy wise than me.

    LEFT OF WHAT?

    Why am I left? You keep using these facile political terms thinking they encapsulate someone's entire beliefs but you then fail to actually provide any logic or proof of your supposition.

    Chronic, you don't actually say anything at all. Left this, right that..... if you are a sock puppet then you are failing miserably. If you aren't.... then you are failing miserably.

    So here is some ammunition.... because pretty much everyone is bored with the limited posts you excel at:

    I believe in:
    constitutional monarchy - left or right? Supposedly right!
    government subsidised healthcare with copayments - left or right? Supposedly left!
    user pays for roads - left or right? Supposedly right!
    non-government ownership of businesses - left or right? Supposedly right!
    free trade agreements such as the TPP - left or right? Supposedly right!
    no death penalty - left or right? Supposedly left!
    income redistribution through the tax system - left or right? Supposedly left!
    no subsidies for farmers or businesses - left or right? Supposedly right!

    You believe in? Well pretty much nothing. You prefer to pose a small target for your small intellect.

    Chronic you aren't a challenge and you know it. It is why you keep harking back to a single point.

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    That's your best?

    Sad.

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Way to prove a point Chronic.

    When asked to put up.... you can't!

    How did I know your reply would be so vacuous? Oh I know.....
    “You don't actually argue a point”
    “you don't actually say anything at all.”
    “pretty much everyone is bored with the limited posts you excel at”
    “You prefer to pose a small target for your small intellect.”
    “you aren't a challenge and you know it”

    The proof of my claims..... your reply!

    Priceless. Honestly, you are absolutely priceless!

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • L0B0MAU

    Obviously, the Unasur Members are not sure about the future [near future] of Brazil and rather than taking sides; perhaps prefer to be neutral:

    Governo:
    http://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/OLIVEIRA-210316-Face.jpg?resize=580%2C373

    Dilma quer prender Moro:
    http://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/OLIVEIRA-210316-Face.jpg?resize=580%2C373

    Hora do recreio:
    1: http://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/OLIVEIRA-210316-Face.jpg?resize=580%2C373
    2: http://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/OLIVEIRA-210316-Face.jpg?resize=580%2C373

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    According to reports from YPF published in the Buenos Aries Herald they are producing 50 billion barrels of oil and gas a day ( 50 BILLION BARRELS A DAY ) so Argentina do not need to worry about the payment to the “ vultures ” Christ that knowledge has made my day PMSL Sorry about of thread but couldn't help myself, thought you would all like a laugh this am

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    2016: BRICS Military Alliance as soon as a possible.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kbwvuhf_Eo

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Nostril, shut up.

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    - UNASUR is nothing but a chavist club. I hope Argentina leaves it a soon as possible.

    - I am glad and proud that we are heading back to the civil world after years of chavist-populist BS, leaded by corrupt SOB who praise the left but who can´t stop stealing public money.

    - Welcome Mr. President of the US, this should have always be a friendly country towards the US.

    - Brasileiro & co STFU, I rather be a minor friend with the US than a full partner with chavist venezuela, corrupt brazil, coca-producer bolivia, no-free-speech ecuador, etc.

    - Our regional partners should be Chile, Uruguay and Colombia, and Brazil once they get rid of Dilma.

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #38
    There is more chance of regular snowfalls in Rio than any BRICS military alliance.
    For a start, the Indians do not trust the Chinese and vice versa and neither really trust the Russians. South Africa, what would they have to gain from dissociation with the West? As for Brasil ?-who cares-they are powerless and could not be trusted to keep their hands out of the till.

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Its all a load of nuts really..

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejo

    @38 Brasileiro

    “2016: BRICS Military Alliance as soon as a possible.”

    Haven't you heard? BRICS is no longer viable! The only survivor is India!

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @1 Brasileiro (#)
    Mar 19th, 2016 - 10:48 am
    “This Argentine Government is worthless! Are puppies of North-Americans!”

    But, my dear boy, recently you were saying that these people, (the Argentines), are your brothers/sisters....
    So, which is to be?

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @44
    Brasso is a dwarf who has “ little mans syndrome” so the only thing that he can do is make a lot of noise, not to be listened to.

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @44
    Did you read what I wrote?

    Government...Government...Government

    Write this word 100 times. Maybe then you'll understand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj2GGsxFp9w&index=13&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A

    Mar 21st, 2016 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    A government is constituted and, to a degree, a reflection of its people.

    You can't keep trying to have it both ways Brasileiro. For instance you talk so much about Brazil's constitution and legal processes and yet both Russia and China routinely ignore and restricts their population's rights.

    Brazil's government is almost paralysed with indecision and corruption. How many more corrupt politicians are you willing to support? How much more of your income and wealth are you prepared to give away to rich corrupt politicians?

    For me, the answer is ZERO.

    I don't want to give any of my wealth or income to corrupt people. Why do you accept it so placidly?

    Your future currently looks like a couple more years of recession and a lame-duck president that will do anything to protect herself no matter what it costs Brazilian society. I feel sorry for you because you prefer to put someone who doesn't care about you above what is good for your country.

    It is why Brazil keeps failing to reach its potential.

    You guys really should have voted to restore a constitutional monarchy when you had the chance. You could be more like us and heading to a potential election on July 2nd to keep government running efficiently. You can keep limping along until October 2018.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @46 Brassiere

    8% of the Brazilian individual citizens support Dilma, Lula, and the current Brazilian GOVERNMENT.

    That includes YOU, Brassiere.

    The other 92% of the PEOPLE don't approve of that Government.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Your data are outdated! Upgrade yourself.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    How's this for data?

    YoY Growth: -5.9%
    QoQ Growth: -1.4%
    Inflation: 10.36%
    Unemployment: 7.6%
    Budget Deficit: -10.3%
    Government debt: 66.23% of GDP

    68% of people want to impeach Rousseff.
    10% rate Rousseff’s government good or excellent.
    69% rate Rousseff’s government bad or terrible.

    If only Brazil could upgrade itself from your inept politicians.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    http://www.brasil.gov.br/economia-e-emprego/2016/03/economia-ganha-forca-com-inflacao-menor-investimento-estrangeiro-e-exportacoes

    Brazil is BRICS! And 2016 will be a glorious year!

    @50 And Brazil has 30% of GDP in international reserves. And yet we are doing reverse swap to contain the maxi-devaluation of the dollar.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Brazil can be a BRICS all it wants..... NO ONE CARES.

    And 2016 is already 20% gone..... so how's that glorious recession and political instability going?

    Government debt increased by 10% of GDP in just ONE YEAR!

    And your international reserves have starting dropping. Lot of good they have done you so far. Stabilised the real? Stopped the recession? Solved the corruption?

    You obviously missed the “maxi-devaluation” of the real, yuan, rouble and rupiah.... the BRICS just keep devaluing.

    You're so busy concentrating on the unimportant stuff they you are being robbed blind.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Brazil's reserves are so tangled up in cross swaps and forward contracts that there's not much wiggle room if they need liquidity.

    They've reached the end of what's possible with manipulation.

    Until they get rid of the current gov't they'll continue into the abyss.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Inflation began to fall. Will no longer be necessary to maintain the Selic rate at 14.25% per year. The Central Bank will reduce the Selic rate to 7% per year until the end of 2016. This means that there will be no public deficit from 2017, or primary or nominal.

    And most important of all, buddy, all public debt of Brazil (2.7 trillion) is in our own currency. In REAL.

    The name that is sovereignty and independence!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INafDGrtNWs&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=5

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @54.

    It seems that a more skilled operator is using the Brasso persona today, to deliver select propaganda.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Is it not Amazing Troy that on one day.....the Brasshole can barely pick up fragments of the English language to assemble in a post and than on another, write near flawlessly?

    Trolls being Trolls, but honestly, I have not vested interest in Brazil so they can continue on their demise.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    54. Stagflation is an economic phenomenon marked by slow economic growth and rising prices.

    You should get familiar with that term.

    Or just look at Venezuela or to a lesser extent Argentina

    Venezuela is the 21st Century Master.

    Its really hard to do

    Congratulations.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    http://www.infomoney.com.br/mercados/renda-fixa/noticia/4775976/exclusivo-banco-central-deve-comecar-cortar-juros-julho-diz-estudo

    Brazil will cut interest rates sooner than I anticipated.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    58. Too little too late. Like a drunk Brazil needs to hit rock bottom before it can see a recovery.
    A recovery will never happen under this regime.

    Mar 22nd, 2016 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Brasileiro

    You're understanding of economics is woeful especially as you can only parrot the latest article you have read.

    Brazil's economy is so badly run and so in need of reform that any growth sets off inflation. That why, except for an extremely short burst of high growth, Brazil can't harness its demographic dividend and develop.

    Indeed it is going backwards again. Having first world welfare with a third world economy full of corruption went to your head. You thought you'd made it to being a global player but other than China who needs to run any sort of club where someone from the west isn't involved.

    Your recession is going to hurt. And hurt a lot. Inflation might indeed fall this year but only because your growth won't return. Less growth means higher unemployment and hence less wage pressure.

    Brazil had its chance and blew it on welfare and corruption.

    Reign those in and you might have a chance before your population starts to shrink. You've got about 15-20 years.

    Mar 23rd, 2016 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • L0B0MAU

    The “Good News”, is that all the crooks in Brazil are not politicians!

    Mar 24th, 2016 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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