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Argentina upset with Falklands for insisting Darwin cemetery operation should be trilateral

Monday, November 21st 2016 - 08:28 UTC
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The Argentine government is trying to agree with the UK on the humanitarian mission to identify the remains of an estimated eighty Argentine combatants (from 1982) buried in Falklands' Darwin cemetery, but there are still details to reach, more political than technical, since the Falkland Islanders insist in being part of the official documents, something “which is unacceptable for the Argentine foreign ministry”. Read full article

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  • Conqueror

    Poor little argieland. It still doesn't get it. The Falkland Islands are a self-determining and self-governing country that was attacked. The argie corpses are buried in earth that belongs to the Falkland Islanders. They have every right to “demand” that they be formally recognised as a party to this “mission”. If the Islanders permit it to proceed. Argieland should get over itself. It has no “rights” either to any part of the Islands or to have its corpses identified.

    Moreover, it was my understanding that the relatives of all the bodies had to give consent. A condition that argieland has not met.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse +11
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    Ah diddums. They should not have invaded in the first place then this problem wouldn't be happening today. You made your bed Argentina and now you have to lie in it.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse +11
  • Think

    Well..., well..., well...
    Ball's in the Foreign & Colonial Office court now...
    Let's see if the dog wags the tail................. or vice versa...

    http://prensa.cancilleria.gov.ar/dura-negociacion-con-londres-por-el-adn-caidos-en-malvinas

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse -13
  • Brit Bob

    It must be something to do with that so-called usurpation and all of those UN resolutions?

    Time for Argentina to chuck in the towel : https://www.academia.edu/21721198/Falklands_1833_Usurpation_and_UN_Resolutions

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse +11
  • Jo Bloggs

    It will be a shame if the Argentine Government refuse to meet. A shame for the families of the war dead. We just want to see that the families get what they want, handled in a way that is acceptable to us.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • ChrisR

    ”but there are still details to reach, more political than technical, since the Falkland Islanders insist in being part of the official documents, something “which is unacceptable for the Argentine foreign ministry”.

    You could always 'urinate on your way out'.

    Who GAF about the Malvinas Office and this hag?

    If they really haven't got the permission of all the families the FIG should dig them all up and sent them to the mainland and have done with it.

    Playing politics with war dead is the act of an inhuman society, perhaps derived from the 14M Peronist SCUM still infecting The Dark Country.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse +9
  • James Marshall

    '....the purpose of the mission is “only humanitarian and does not affect the Argentine rights over the Malvinas Islands”, so in that case what does it matter if the Islanders are officially part of the documented process. And, I don't think Argentina has a right to dictate what happens, it is not their land and they came in second.

    Maybe the FIG should also make it clear that it would be unacceptable to not be included in the documentation, but then again that would make them as pathetic as the Arg. Gov.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse +9
  • Roger Lorton

    So, only 2/3rds of the families have agreed. As I recall it the ICRC require that 100% of the families do so. Bet I know who'll get blamed when this falls apart because of Argentina's failure to meet the ICRC conditions.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +9
  • GALlamosa

    The wilful refusal of the GoA to understand the constitutional arrangements between the UK and its Overseas Territories is the source of many problems, and much totally erroneous comment.

    The fact is that there is a Falkland Islands Government.

    The fact is that the FIG makes (and implements) its own laws.

    The fact is anything done in the Falkland Islands is done under the law and jurisdiction of the Falkland Islands Government.

    The fact is that the UK cannot interfere in the process of administration of Falkland Islands law.

    The GoA (and many of its citizens) wilful failure to understand this results in the sort of foolish rhetoric we see in this and similar streams. If the Falkland Islands Government is not involved, the identification process cannot begin or be completed, because it must take place under Falkland Islands law. The UK Government cannot (and will not) interfere in this.

    So the GoA has a very clear choice. Make it and stop whining.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +10
  • Marti Llazo

    Argentina is upset.

    esnif esnif

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Islander1

    Think- Firstly you are about as out of date as Christina herself! There is no such thing as the Br Foreign and Colonial Office - that name went many decades ago!!
    Been called the Foreign & Commonwealth Office for decades now - but then you Argentines are such die hard Colonialists I guess its hard for you to move with the times?

    Now IF as Argentina says this issue is all about the wishes and respect for the families of the fallen - as it should be - then why the fantasy about politics in this? Our side is not raising it- just the simple legal constitutional facts - what ever happens on land in the Islands is 100% in the legal domain of the appropriate Dept of the Falkland Islands Govt.
    and UK cannot- nor would- tell FIG what to do.
    Argentina just needs to at least over this Humanitarian Issue - Grow Up.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +10
  • Jo Bloggs

    Can anyone explain why the Argentine Government needs to be involved? Are they bank-rolling the families or something? Why don't the ICRC, the families, the Argentine War Graves people, the UK Gov't (if they wish to be involved) and FIG just meet and sort it out?

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • EscoSesDoidao

    Oh God, - Here we go.........

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Zaphod

    Perhaps do it another way. British and Falkland Islanders organise things and carry out tests with the Red Cross. Argentinian familys can send in their DNA sample and British funded tests can identify the remains. Families can pay for new coffins. Everyone happy except Argentine Chimpanzees and Malvinista Sepoys.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Outlawcatcher

    It is bad enough that they are dismissive of the Falklands Islanders as a people, a self governing body and the third party in this farce (first party in my opinion). All because of their ill fated claim and the way they clumsily go about it. However my analogy is this; they invaded and those soldiers were killed as the occupying/invading force. Argentina now have the sheer audacity to want to identify the remains of these poor souls without consulting with the legitimate occupiers they invaded in the first place. Forget how upset Argentina is, imagine how upset the islanders are for yet again another gross insult. Either check their DNA and then take them home at the same time or leave them rest in peace!

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +10
  • Swiss Bob

    How unlike the Argentine scum to make political capital of their war dead.

    Sickening.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +10
  • Englander

    This is a matter for the Falkland Islands Government.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +11
  • Faulconbridge

    If this matter is “only humanitarian and does not affect the Argentine rights over the Malvinas Islands” (or the Argentine non-rights, practically speaking), surely the people the Argentine government ought to be consulting are the Falkland Islanders, who are responsible for the cemetery in question.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Livepeanuts

    It is so sad to see Argentina still playing with the bodies of these poor kids, they had a short life, a miserable death as their young lives were placed on the betting table, all because things weren't going well in Argentina.
    Unrepentant Argentina now plays with them after dead! It is so disgusting, and hard to understand and even less possible to believe, which leaves us the obvious question: How low can Argentina go?

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +9
  • chronic

    Perhaps the Falklanders could exhibit a little initiative?

    Disintern the lot of them.

    Collect two DNA samples from each set of remains.

    Submit one set of samples to the Brits and one to rg.

    Cremate the remains and code each of them to the DNA samples.

    Send the ashes to the Red Cross.

    Job over.

    Nov 21st, 2016 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Voice

    Englander
    “This is a matter for the Falkland Islands Government.”

    The Falkland Islands Government didn't exist until 1985...
    It's a matter for HMG and Argentina..it was 1982 when these remains were buried...
    No need for Johnny come lately's desperate for recognition...

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse -16
  • Marti Llazo

    “The Falkland Islands Government didn't exist until 1985...”

    One of the silliest arguments yet to be presented. As if to say since the oil being produced in Neuquen preceded the establishment of the provincial government, they have no right to so much as one centavo's worth of it.

    From the ridiculous to the ridiculous, we can always count on the Voice for a senseless and sarcastic, or shall we say argentine, notion.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +11
  • Voice

    Almost as ridiculous as your argument that appears to comparatively claim that the Argentine remains must belong to the FIG....
    I think the Red Cross might think differently...
    Political posturing by the FIG in a feeble attempt to get recognition from the Argentine Govt...
    At the expense of those families that wish for closure...
    What is their next move....no DNA tests without recognition....pathetic...

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse -15
  • Kanye

    Mr Think/Voice

    Thinking about your “kith and kin”
    lost in a war “far from home”?

    You're a patriot, no doubt.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Marti Llazo

    No such suggestion, Mr Tinkle, that the remains belong to anyone. Part of that vapid, whole-cloth-invention imagination, once again. Deserving of another downtick.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse +8
  • chronic

    Alternatively, load those ashes in a howitzer and send them downwind.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Roger Lorton

    Pathetic Voice? How so? The FIG are not trying anything. They ARE the authority for the Islands, and the FI Coroner is the one who must authorise any exhumations. The Coroner's ability to do so is regulated by the laws appertaining to the Islands. In law, a corpse belongs to the ground; and in this case the ground belongs to to the Islanders.

    About time you grew up laddie

    Not that any of it will matter is Argentina cannot get 100% of the families to agree, which is a demand of the ICRC.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Idlehands

    I'm beginning to doubt this will happen at all. It's just returning back to the political merry-go-round.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • The Major

    People should stop pandering to them. Just tell them in no uncertain terms that this is going to happen and just get on with it.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Outlawcatcher

    Quite so RL. Even if HMG wanted to exhume the bodies then even they have to get permission from the FIG coroner.

    To be honest to imply that the FIG is attempting anything with the Arg government is verging on the insane. To imply that just because the FIG only came into being in 1985 and that these corpses were buried in 1982 so it does not count 'is' insane.

    Maybe certain persons don't like the fact that the FIG came into being in 1985 as a result of those corpses being put into the ground in 82 for their illegal occupation in the first place. Wait I can hear it now....it cannot be illegal to invade your own soil!

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • James Marshall

    Or maybe this is just the Arg. Gov. covering it's arse. If they can't get those families to sign up 100%, what better than to play the victim card and blame the failure on the Islanders for having the audacity to be part of the process.

    Voice, I like your logic, next time I have a planning issue with a building older than the introduction the Local Planning Authority, I will tell them that they do not have any authority or jurisdiction as they are a 'Jonny come lately' organisation and I don't have to talk with them. I am sure they will agree......

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse +9
  • Englander

    Tinka
    You need to ask yourselves how important this exercise is.
    Then...if it is important, deal with who we tell you to deal with, which in this case is the Falklands Island Government.
    Then....get on with it.
    If it's not that important and just Argentine politics, that's fine, just keep squabbling amongst yourselves.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    Mr. Lorton...
    As Mr. Voice rightly says..., “Pathetic” indeed...

    1) This pathetic last minute effort from the British “Falklandist” lobby to include the FIG(leaf) in the final document..., against the clear pre-agreement between the ICRC, the British and the Argentinean governments is indeed............... pathetic.

    2) About getting “100% of the families to agree”...
    - Unless you can suggest a practical vay to contact the world beyond..., 100% of the SURVIVING direct families (parents + eventual spouses and children) have been duly contacted...
    - The ICRC has, of course, got all the pertinent documentation long time ago and is perfectly satisfied with it...

    Please lad... inform yourself before writing nonsense...

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse -13
  • GALlamosa

    Poor old Think, way behind the game yet again. From the first day Argentina advised that it had commissioned the ICRC to assist with this process, HMG advised that in any agreed process FIG would be an integral part, since the law which applies to the exhumations and reburials are Falkland Islands law.

    Stop playing politics.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Roger Lorton

    Think - you need to think. There is no “last minute effort” as the inclusion of the FIG has been made plain through the last 2 years. And, as I understand it, the ICRC requires the consent of ALL the surviving relatives. Did they all die out Think?

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    Mr.Lorton...

    1) The full colaboration with the FIG(leaf), the local colonial administration of them Islands, has of course been made plain through the last 2 years by the ICRC..
    - That's the ICRC primary task... To be a neutral facilitating part beween conflicting sides...
    But that has nothing to do with including the British Kelpers as a third party in a bilateral agreement between two nations...

    Yes Mr. Lorton...
    Forty DIRECT famlies of the121 unidentified buried men at Darwin have indeed died out...
    (Key word heres direct..Nor the ICRC nor anybody ese is asking about second cousins or similar..)
    Not strange at all if one ”Thinks a bit about it...:
    a) The Malvinas conflict happened ~34.5 years ago...
    b) Almost all of the unidentified were conscrips class 1963.., meaning ~18 years old at the time...
    c) At 18 years of age..., almost none of them were married or had children...
    d) The parents of those boys would today be about 74 years... or older...
    e) with an average life expectancy of ~75 yeas in Argentina..., it is no “magic” that about a third of those parents are dead..

    Anyhing else.... lad?

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -11
  • James Marshall

    Yes just one thing Think, I thought about it also for a while and wondered if there is a one child policy in Argentina, or do you not think that a sibling is direct family. It seems like you are implying that the class of '63 were all from single children families.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip with the various sockpuppets above...

    Nope..., i'm not “implying that the class of '63 were all from single children families....”

    - I am just stating the fact that from 121 unidentified men buried in Malvinas..., it has been impossible, for all the instances associated with this case, to find any living direct relatives for 38 of them...

    Not unusual at all..., considering the elapsed time and the demographics of the deceased ...

    Try to find another straw to clutch to... Turnip...

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -10
  • chronic

    OK, how about this:

    You can use a certain amount of fly ash as a component in concrete with compromising it.

    Form up some sidewalk outside the Globe.

    You can figure out the rest.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Think

    I Think... the Victory's restroom floors would be a more suitably demagogic & press-friendly location under this circumstances....

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -10
  • Marti Llazo

    “..... it has been impossible, for all the instances associated with this case, to find any living direct relatives for 38 of them...”

    Considering the large number of illegitimate and unrecognised children that make up such a large component of argentine demographics, this should hardly be surprising. Even CFK was a bastard. Well, still is but in a different sense.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • James Marshall

    Barasica rapa subsp. rapa above....

    Hey, I see I made it onto your Anglo turnip list, guess you like Voice don't like being corrected for your mistakes, muddled statements and 'Fictual' comments (fiction portrayed as fact).

    Sock puppets....nope I will leave that to you, you seem well versed at it.

    Carry on Think, you haven't run out of straws yet...

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Think

    In his own charming way..., Anglo Turnip Marti Llazo (“Hammer Blow” in spanish) has hit the nails head...

    Those 121 unidentified young dead men buried in Malvinas were predominantly from the poor northeastern provinces of Argentina...

    Most probably, reading the social statistics..., about 10 to 20% of them didn't have any real family already in 1982..

    Only that detail would account for half the “38 missing families” mentioned by the other Anglo Turnips...

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Voice

    The Fig know without a shadow of doubt that Argentina are not going to recognise their government.
    Armed with this knowledge the FIG are still pushing to use this fiasco to achieve a de facto recognition by insisting on a trilateral agreement...
    Why create a situation when it is meaningless and may prevent the DNA testing from progressing....
    Let HMG deal with the matter that involves agreements with Sovereign nations which IS in their remit...
    Give a little... and concentrate on negotiations over fisheries and oil exploration, flights and trade...stuff that is far more important to the FIG....
    It is plain stupidity to cause friction over a minor matter...

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -10
  • Outlawcatcher

    Without a shadow of a doubt if Argentina does not recognise the FIG then the FIG will not recognise the request. Argentina created this fiasco in the first place and it all started with their ill advised mission in 82. Argentina has not given anything since then so if they want this then we know who has to give a little. If anybody wants to DNA test these poor souls you need to talk directly to the undertaker otherwise it is not going to happen!

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Think

    Mr. Voice

    You ask...:
    “Why create a situation when it is meaningless and may prevent the DNA testing from progressing...”

    I say...:
    - IMHO..., the Falklandist wing in Malvinas, that constitutes circa the 100% of their local Legislative Assembly and other county authorities + their local 1% of monied squidllonaires + some Kingpins in London's FCO & BAE are NOT interested in any kind of approachment with Argentina....
    The Status Quo is their dream scenario...
    Only to be bettered if an Argie military agression could be somehow provoked....
    Nothing big..., mind you... Just some dozens dead British soldiers (preferably with a couple of heavily burnt survivors) that could make the “Defence Budget” grow exponentially and guarantee another forty years of Status Quo...

    Also sprach El Think.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -12
  • lsolde

    Poor old Think.
    All alone except for his amigo Voice.
    Or is that Voice all alone except for his mate, Think?
    Don't be silly, girl.
    They are the same person!
    You're flogging a dead horse, Think. snigger!
    Btw, haven't heard from your girlfriend, Hepatia, for awhile.
    Did she get sacked from the RG Department for Lies & Disinformation?
    Or maybe she was using your Avatar. snigger.
    Just to make your day(or evening)Think.
    Oh, just in case you weren't sure, Tinky-boy, there is no such place as “malvinas”.
    Glad to be of help. l

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Think

    Isolde, dahhhhling....
    Nice having you on board again..., shipmate.
    By the way... When are you goong to put a picture to your name, babykins..?
    As yo can see..., I choose one showing my rigt profile... Makes me look younger...;-)

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -14
  • Voice

    Always suspected that to be the case Mr. Think...
    They don't want Independence as the UK would drop them like a hot coal...(protection gone)
    They don't want Integration with the UK as all the fishing licences and oil would become the property of the Crown....
    They want to remain a burden to the UK forever and the UK owners to keep providing all the goods and services at extortionate prices...
    Trouble will guarantee HMS Clyde keeps patrolling the waters and the fishing licences can be enforced...
    Am I the only one that can smell the coffee...
    Isolde....do you feel better now for adding your downticks....
    Carry on I like them...do you know what is worse...?
    Zero....it denotes an insignificant comment....

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -11
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    Think, Voice and just one or two other Argentine apologists (is there such a beast?); Hepatia makes a more salient point than you do and theirs is a crock of Argentine politics for sure.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    News item from Ushuaia.... argentine colonists have indicated that they wish to remain a low-tax zone and heavily subsidised by public monies paid by the northern provinces and nation at large, which in recent years have helped to cover more than US$600 million each year in deficits. The national government is considering a change to the programme for tax monies supporting the Tierra del Fuego electronics assembly sector, which results in Argentines throughout the country paying up to 30 percent more for consumer and business electronics than in neighboring countries. Colonists in Tierra del Fuego indicate they will interfere with tourism and other industries that do bring dollars to the region, if their demands are not met, and insist on remaining a deficit-producing parasitic burden forever.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Jo Bloggs

    Someone remind me why the Argentine Government needs to be involved with the negotiations. I don't see the need for it.

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Roger Lorton

    Anything else? Yes Think, I forgot to add that in my dictionary, “contact” is not the same as “consent”.

    As to the rest of the nonsense from the Voice/Think duo, IMHO the Islanders would have opted for independence a decade ago if wasn't for the bolshie neighbour, and independence would not preclude a treaty to maintain the military base. After all, the UK has rather a lot of territories to protect down that way - the majority of which the Argies would like to get their thieving hands on. Those territories have a value to the UK, Voice, although you aint much of a patriot.

    And the Islanders do not wish to be absorbed by the UK. Why would they?

    We don't trust Argentina to be a civilised nation, far too much adherence to viveza criolla; so it seems that Argentina will have to learn the hard way. The Islanders will always have a veto over anything that affects them - that makes them a 3rd party, if not actually the 1st party.

    And if your countrymen are so upset about their unidentified dead Think, they can always take them back to Argentina.

    Only that would stop you Argies using them as propaganda material wouldn't it?

    Pot, kettle & black Think, pot, kettle & black

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Marti Llazo

    One has to wonder if there is anyone in Argentistan who believes that the perpetual antagonising of the islanders works in some way to serve Argentistan's devious interests. All of Malacara's empty posturing and vacuous promises about how much Argentistan “would respect” the islanders' way of life is completely undone when they can't even bring themselves to pretend to acknowledge the Falklands government.

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Islander1

    Voice- Fair point-to a point - about UK and Arg dealing with issues that affect Sovereign Nations between themselves- but this issue does not -it involves the Falkand Islands. It involves local Laws and Environmental Planning rules and applications etc - all of which are 100% to do with FIG - and 0% to do with HMG.
    Not a new issue with the ICRC- They made that clear back in June- their report after their factfinding mission and feasibility study was sent to the 3 places involved:
    London-Buenos Aires-Stanley.
    This report also made it clear that IF all parties agreed that the process should proceed - then 2 nd stage would be all 3 getting around a table in Geneva with ICRC to discuss details and next moves forward.
    Sound s as if ball in Argentina,s Court.:
    either: grow up and put personal family wishes etc first.
    or - run out of the door in a tantrum squealing.

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Jo Bloggs

    Bravo! Roger Lorton. Very nicely put, sir.

    Nobody applying an ounce of logic could justify denying us a say in this issue. Having said that, my understanding is that ALL of the families must agree to the ID work before it can proceed and that's not a foregone conclusion at this stage.

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Voice

    Lordton

    Nice of you to confirm the Islanders would have opted out of being British a decade ago if they didn't need the British resources and protection...
    We'll stay British as long as it suits us...

    Chancers is the description that is applicable....

    BTW.....The UK doesn't need the islanders permission to keep military bases in the event of independence...it just becomes a sovereign base.....ask Cyprus....Akrotiri and Dhekelia...

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Think

    Mr. Voice..., you are too much...!

    Now, you taxpaying British resident want to colonize them British Colonies..., again...!

    I Think them British Kelpers could count with full Argentinean moral support if such a preposterous British plan came into being...

    ;-)))

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Roger Lorton

    The resources are their own Voice - as stipulated by the United Nations and regularly recognised by successive British Governments. As for the base, I only said that independence would not preclude a defence treaty.

    You a bitter little man, aren't you?

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Kanye

    “little man” to be sure.

    A patriot, too.
    Well somebody's patriot, anyway.

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Voice

    Lordton
    A big man actually....and not fussy on Bitter or Lager truth be told...

    Haha Kanye..it was too tempting wasn't it....?
    You so wanted to call me a wee man...
    ...but folk would remember...your overuse under another name...
    ....having to settle for little man...tut tut...
    It must be awful having to concentrate on not repeating yourself...especially when I remember every word you ever uttered to me....
    Go back to your compromised account...I'm sure it won't be copied again...;-)

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Roger Lorton

    “Little” hasn't got anything to do with size Voice :-)

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Englander

    Anyway.....I see good sense has finally prevailed.

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Voice

    Lord Ton
    I'm sure your last post makes sense to you...but in the real world the word “little” no matter what context one uses it in...relates to size....

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Jo Bloggs

    Correct. He was referring to the size of your brain.

    ;-))))))

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Kanye

    “Lord Ton
    I'm sure your last post makes sense to you...but in the real world the word “little” no matter what context one uses it in...relates to size....”

    In the “real world” everyone but you understands what “little” relates to.

    Insecure much?

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Voice

    Ahh....the name changes, but the MO remains the same...

    What was the name of that poster that that used to dog me with snide and derogatory comments usually on the side of other folks comments....
    It escapes me.......it doesn't...

    Can I use the term dog now...? I'm not referring to carparks....

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Hepatia

    The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Nov 25th, 2016 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Kanye

    “Can I use the term dog now...? I'm not referring to carparks”

    Can I use the term 'bagger? - not referring to the pipes

    Nov 25th, 2016 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Voice

    Is there a pipe bagger...? Or a bagpiper..?

    You don't mean a Piper do you...?
    What a fcukwit....
    ...typical Canadian...

    Nov 25th, 2016 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Kanye

    ___- bagger

    “Think” about it, and then get back to me.

    Nov 25th, 2016 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Voice

    Thought about it...
    Bagger does not refer to pipes....
    The term is Piper...

    Whereas dogging....

    Nov 25th, 2016 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Kanye

    'bagger

    Try again.



    Lol,
    your best response to being grossly insulted is to is lamely mutter about capitalisation.

    Nov 26th, 2016 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Voice

    You call name calling from the safety of your keyboard grossly insulting...?
    Don't be so childish...what are you Seven...?
    I'm sure folk would much rather see you explain how the term bagger refers to pipes...
    Keep digging the hole can only get deeper....
    What a lark...grossly insulted....as if....

    Nov 26th, 2016 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Kanye

    ___ - bagger

    “Can I use the term 'bagger? - not referring to the pipes”

    What part of “- not referring to the pipes” don't you understand?


    weak weak weak, Mr. Voice. LOL!!

    Rattle on about capitalization now and Proper Pronouns etc.

    Please fill in the blank for “ ___ - bagger” Get back to me, kid.

    Or perhaps you accept that is what you are??

    You lost this round.

    And I'm laughing at you.

    Nov 26th, 2016 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Voice

    Do you know when folk make a stupid mistake and then prattle on trying to make out it wasn't a mistake...
    ...and everyone else knows it was...
    How does that feel...?

    Please explain the meaning of this term bagger and how it doesn't relate to pipes...I'm curious to know what you are talking about...?
    ...and explain who it is insulting to...

    Nov 26th, 2016 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • downunder

    “Islanders are pressing to be included in the documents as part of the negotiations, , “but this is unacceptable for the Argentine foreign ministry”, said Ms Kralikas”

    It appears that the Argentine foreign ministry has changed its mind and now does not want the identification process to go ahead. As is usual with all issues involving Argentina and the Falklands the propaganda campaign and blame game is about to start. And who are they going to try and blame? The Falkland Islanders of course – the smallest player in the room.

    They use their own war dead to try and make a political point. These people are disgusting, they are the real 'deplorables'.

    Nov 26th, 2016 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Kanye

    Mr. Downunder

    Emotional and Political manipulation at its lowest.

    Nov 27th, 2016 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Lightning

    ”... head of the Malvinas Affairs Office who insists the purpose of the mission is “only humanitarian and does not affect the Argentine rights over the Malvinas Islands”

    I'm puzzled.
    If Argentina says it is a humanitarian mission, why are they objecting on political grounds that could potentially abort the process just as it is getting underway?

    By now, the Red Cross must be used to overcoming this sort of childishness.

    Nov 27th, 2016 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “Trouble strikes on Caribbean tour as Prince Harry's ship breaks down”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/27/disaster-strikes-caribbean-tour-prince-harrys-ship-breaks/

    Nov 27th, 2016 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • darragh

    Marcos

    And this has got what to do with:-

    a) The subject of this thread
    b) The price of cheese

    Nov 27th, 2016 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Kanye

    Mr Darragh

    “Marcos” is just the pariah, Mike Bingham.

    Like “Hepatia”, he makes unrelated or insulting posts, and leaves.

    Nov 28th, 2016 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Voice

    Irony...
    http://en.mercopress.com/2016/11/21/argentina-upset-with-falklands-for-insisting-darwin-cemetery-operation-should-be-trilateral/comments#comment455366

    Nov 28th, 2016 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Lightning

    'bagger

    “Please explain the meaning of this term bagger...”

    Are you sure?

    You mean you haven't guessed?

    Maybe you have, and you are embarrassed?

    Nov 28th, 2016 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kanye

    Voice, the obtuse,

    Allow me to use the verb form of ___ - bagger in a sentence, to help you,

    “Voice laid on his back, ___ - bagging”

    Not referring to a hot beverage.

    Nov 28th, 2016 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Voice

    ????
    Explain what you are talking about, how it doesn't relate to pipes and why you think it is insulting...
    You appear to very interested in this...so I'm assuming you are very familiar and experienced with whatever you are talking about...
    Feel free to share...

    Nov 28th, 2016 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Kanye

    Good of you to back down instead of your usual protracted ranting.

    The good news for you is, you and your lot shall definitely inherit the earth.

    Nov 29th, 2016 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    Easily manipulated....
    I lead you into a position where you cannot answer without either offending someone or exposing whatever prejudices you have...
    It's effortless dealing with snide trolls...

    Nov 29th, 2016 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kanye

    'Bagger

    “It's effortless dealing with snide trolls...”

    You should know

    ;-)

    Nov 29th, 2016 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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