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Argentina's Macri Let's Change coalition “clearly predominant” ahead of Sunday's midterm elections

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There is a “clear predominance” of president Mauricio Macri's “Let's Change” coalition in Argentina and in the crucial Buenos Aires province, ahead of next Sunday's (October 22) midterm elections, according to political analyst Sergio Berensztein. Read full article

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  • Think

    Yeahh... Whatever...
    We speak on Sunday...
    In the meantime... try to figure out...: Where's Crissi...
    http://media.ambito.com/diario/2017/1016/imagenes/img_subida_1016155628.jpg

    Oct 17th, 2017 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • imoyaro

    You mean like they spoke on your Torturer's Tango Duo partner, Kamerad/Komrade Rique's attempt to stick his snout in the public trough yesterday, blackstabber? Bwahahahahahahahahahah!

    https://www.rockyview.ca/Government/Elections/2017Election/2017ElectionResults.aspx

    Meanwhile here's a little reminder of what you murderous torturers stand for...

    http ://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/60807/0x0/nisman-muerto.jpg

    ¡Borracho el traidor! ¡Vos sos el torturador!

    Oct 17th, 2017 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Ridiculous Reekie will be soooo very upset.

    Oct 17th, 2017 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    Interesting. From Enrique's election statement:

    “Some developers financially back candidates who, once elected with hidden agendas, work dutifully for their private sponsors, using the municipal powers and even the County’s credit card.

    We only discovered the extent of this support when the Province mandated disclosure of election contributions for the first time in 2010.”

    And some of the top donors from the previous elections:

    Springbank lands
    590140 Alta Ltd
    Genesis Land
    WRD Borger Construction Ltd
    Amar Developments Ltd.
    Truman Homes 1995 Inc
    Buffalo Hills Development Ltd

    Corruption in Canada? Looks like he has a point.

    Oct 17th, 2017 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Corruption in Canada? Didn't know there were that many argentines there.

    Oct 17th, 2017 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Of course Sr.Massot “has a point”...
    As I have commented in here several times before...
    Corruption in the more controlled parts of the world is the same pigtail... just with one extra twist... or two...
    One of the most common names of such twists is: “ Deferred payments...”
    Want an Engrish example ?..: Tony Blair...
    Want a German example ?...: Gerd Schröder...

    Sometimes though..., the pigtail gets uncomfortably caught somewhere.., somehow..., by someone and then it happens what it recently happened in EU's smallest country...

    Oct 17th, 2017 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    It's not that I doubted him, I wanted to point out that he was right.

    Which action of Blair's are you referring to in particular?

    And I sincerely hope that the same does not happen in the EU's biggest countries. Malta nearly became part of the UK, I wonder if they'd be better or worse off if they had?

    Oct 17th, 2017 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • imoyaro

    Speaking of corruption...

    http://www.thebubble.com/government-officials-celebrate-the-court-ruling-against-julio-de-vido/

    Oct 17th, 2017 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Marti Llazo

    Speaking of corruption.....

    Kirchner is reading the writing on the wall now and it's not so good. If she can't win a seat in the lower house, prison is going to be a real possibility.

    Kirchner gave a great interview yesterday and reminded us of what she really thinks of Argentina:

    CFK: “ I don't want to live in this shit country, because that's what it is, a shit country.”

    (“ Yo no quiero vivir en ese país de mierda porque es un país de mierda ese”)

    Of course, the usual third of the population of Bs As province considers this sort of thing most elegant.

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Oh look. Marti “I hate Argentina” Llazo, the guy who frequently calls Argentina a 'toy country' and likes to compare it unfavourably to places like Angola, is all indignant because CFK called it 'shit'.

    Or did she?

    “ese país de mierda” means “THAT shit country”, not “this shit country”, something the bilingual Marti must know perfectly well.

    I haven't seen the interview, but I can guess that “that shit country” is what CFK thinks Macri has turned Argentina into, and a country run by Cambiemos is one she doesn't want to live in, because it's shit.

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Think

    Gooooooood boy...;-)))

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    I'm not a dog you know!

    In other news, looks like they may have found Santiago Maldonado's body. Do you trust the government to hold the autopsy and be honest about the cause of death?

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Think

    Nope...
    -That's why we insisted on putting those guys & gals on the job...
    https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipo_Argentino_de_Antropología_Forense

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Okay, so you do trust those people to do it. That's good.

    Who did the autopsy on Nisman? There seems to be about 3 conflicting versions of how he died.

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Boy... if I had meant you were a dog..., I would have said...“ Goooood Dog ”...wouldn't I...?

    Anyhow...
    First autopsy in 2015 deeming suicide were those guys ...:
    http://www.csjn.gov.ar/cmfcs/

    Second autopsy in 2017 deeming homicide..., those guys...: gendarmeria.gob.ar/dirpolcie/dirpolcie-criminalistico.html

    Noteworthy is the fact..., that the second autopsy was made by the same police organization accused today of having “dissapeared” and possibly killed Santiago Maldonado...

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    @DT -- I know perfectly well how to translate literally, and also how to translate for an English-reading audience, so that the translation doesn't sound as if it were done by some intern in Venado Tuerto. But do continue to use Google Translate if you must. All the amateurs are doing it. Or perhaps you'd like to hone your own translation skills by understanding the context. You could start by reading things like this morning's “ Cristina y el país de mierda” or perhaps the earlier interview note, ' Entrevista con Gerardo Rozín -
    Cristina Kirchner trató de “idiota” a Mauricio Macri y dijo que no quiere vivir en un “país de mierda.” '

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @ML
    “so that the translation doesn't sound as if it were done by some intern in Venado Tuerto”

    Or a Uruguayan journalist in Montevideo? ;)

    I'm sure you do know how to translate properly, and you also know well how to give facts out of context in order to create a misleading impression. Like quoting CFK without including WHY she things it's a shit country.

    I looked in a few newspapers, and they did not all report exactly the same words, which is strange.

    Here are two versions:

    “¿Cómo es que te van a meter preso hagas lo que hagas? Es el mismo temor que tienen los pibes en el Conurbano que los paran por la cara que portan y yo no quiero vivir en ese país de mierda porque es un país de mierda.”

    “¿Cómo es que te van a meter preso hagas lo que hagas? A los jóvenes los paran para pedirles documento por la cara que portan o porque tienen cara de morochos, yo no quiero vivir en un paí. así, es un país de mierda ese”

    I will leave translating them to you, since you are so good at it, but it sounds to me like she is accusing the police of racism, of arresting people for who they are rather than what they have done, and saying she doesn't want to live in a country like that.

    @Think
    No one would say 'good boy' or 'good girl' to anyone but a dog, or maybe a small child.

    http://www.pixfans.com/%C2%BFquien-es-un-buen-chico/

    Unless it was a very different and more adult scenario...

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Young Mr. DemonTree...

    Or one could use luuuuvely Google to find the oriiiiiginal Youtube video with the unaduuuultered audio file of what Mme. Cristina Elisabet Fernandez de Kirchner actually said...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PAFTn7Bs_Dc

    As ANYBODY can hear... you are completely right...!
    New technology is a Turnip's killing field... That's why they hate it soooo much...
    Continue the gooooooooood work..., boy ;-)

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Heh, you mean as anybody who speaks Spanish can hear. If I tried to transcribe what she said, I guarentee you it would be ten times more wrong than any of the newspapers.

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Verbatim..., (from 1:18)...:
    “Los paran para pedirles documentos..., únicamente por la cara que ”portan“* ...
    Porque tienen cara de ”Gronchos“..., o porque tienen cara de pibes...
    Yo no quiero vivír en ESE país de mierda..., es un país de mierda ESE...
    - *(”Portan“..., como en ”portar armas”...)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PAFTn7Bs_Dc

    My insufficient..., restricted... and wanting Engrish translation would read...:
    They stop them to check their documents..., only because of the faces they “carry”* ...
    Because they have “brownish proletarian slob faces”..., or because they have kids faces...
    I don't want to live in THAT shitty Country..., it's a shitty Country THAT ONE...
    - *(“Carry”..., as in “carry a gun”...)

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    A bit literal in your attempt, tinkle, but you have to translate for the audience. And you forgot to even mention the “who” is stopping the punks on the streets. In the English that most would understand and be familiar with in this sort of context, we would likely say that one is “wearing a face.” ( ....we're not afraid of somebody with a lamb's face; a person wearing a face like that is easily led and walks behind us with no trouble....” ).

    You could be quite literal again in saying “ that country” but CFK is clearly referring to the present conditions of where she is ....presently and promimately.... and the arguably more reasonable translation for an English reader, limiting the potential for ambiguity, would be “this” country.

    Sabiente, my arse.

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Another clip from yesterdays Mme. Cristina Elisabet Fernandez de Kirchner interwiev at an hostile TV channel conducted by an adversarial journaist...

    Listen to the backstage workers reaction when she solidarizes with their ongoing work action...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaAUfpj3uGA

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    “Carry”..., as in “carry a gun”

    Is that a normal expression in Spanish, to say faces they 'carry'? Or was she using it to make a point? I had assumed it was just one those things that doesn't translate well.

    And I guess other people did have trouble hearing what she said, if they thought 'Groncho' was morochos. But what is a Groncho?

    Also maybe you can answer a question; another bit in one of the articles was this:

    “No obstante, aclaró que “no” piensa que “el Gobierno mandó a desaparecer” a Santiago pero advirtió que “sobreactúan la represión, les interesa cuidar los intereses de un estanciero del extranjero y tienen un funcionario como Noceti que dice que va a meter presos hagan lo hagan””

    But I can't work out what 'hagan lo hagan' means, and neither can google translate. The internet wants it to be 'hagan lo que hagan'.

    As for 'this' vs 'that', yes, saying 'this' limits the potential for ambiguity. But that's exactly the problem. The 'that' suggests there is more to the story, it sounds like she is referring to something she said previously, rather than declaring Argentina is shit out of the blue.

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    1) I strongly assume that in Engeland one can get heavily réprimanded for the posession of a weapon...
    As I strongly assume that one can get an even heavier réprimande for the “carrying of a weapon”...
    In times past... the carrying of a “certain type of face” in Argentina could cost you your life...
    Those times are returning with the new administration..., and THAT is the Argentina Mme. Kirchner doesn't want....
    I Think it translates quite well...

    2) As I wrote above..., a “Groncho” is a “brownish proletarian slob”... Ask any Argie..., white or groncho..., if my definition is wrong...

    3) “The internet wants it to be 'hagan lo que hagan”... you say...
    - The Internet is right this time..., says I....

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    I see. But Marti is right that no one would 'carry' a face in English. You'd wear one if anything, so it sounds weird translated literally.

    And why would having the face of a pibe cost someone their life?

    “The Internet is right this time”

    One point for the google hivemind. :)

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Geeee.... boy...
    “Carrying a Face” sounds also “weird” in Spanish....
    Thats precisely the point...! To make one associate..., even Think!
    I thought you said at some point something about having read some books...?

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    Well, why didn't you just say so, since that is what I was asking you? I can see the association to carrying a weapon, but I didn't know how normal or otherwise it sounds in Spanish. Perfectly normal, slightly unusual or really damn weird - it's the latter in English, something I cannot imagine a native speaker ever saying.

    How would one usually say it in Spanish, if not trying to associate with the idea of carrying a weapon?

    By the way, do you understand everything I say? I try to write a little more simply for most of the Spanish speaking posters, but I don't usually bother for you...

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Have you ever heard them Engrish/Frog expressions as...:
    “Play on words, pun, wordplay, double entendre, double meaning, innuendo, witticism, bon mot, jeu de mots; rare paronomasia, equivoque, amphibology, pivot, calembour, carriwitchet, clench, clinch, conundrum, nick, pundigrion, whim, quibble”... ec..., etc..., etc...?

    “Carrying of face” would fall under several of them...
    Quite easy to decode and interpret for those who want to...
    And yes......, I Think I undestand pretty much of what you say...

    Oct 18th, 2017 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    Yes I have, I guess this is just one of those things that gets lost in translation.

    I should try writing in Spanish for practice (and then you probably wouldn't understand me), but that would be against those pesky site rules.

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Yes tinkly you can play with yourself and play with your esoteric words and phrases, but if you might someday wish to participate in simple, direct, effective communication with forum readers, you might consider that “carrying of face” is not going to get you anywhere. And it's just shit as translation.

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Yeahhhhh..... “Carrying of Face” is too difficul for them Anglos to understand...

    Next time I better use...: ”Special Order face”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139350/Fashion-giant-Zara-accused-having-code-word-special-order-profile-black-customers-shoplifters.html

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • imoyaro

    Well, since Gauchito Drink and his stand in tango partner have tried to derail the thread with talk of corruption in Canada 7 years ago, etc, maybe it's time to remind people just how the Narcokleptocrat's house of cards began to fall, back in 2014...

    http://www.newyorkfestivals.com/winners/2014/pieces.php?iid=466089&pid=1

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    But Imoyaro, you brought up the local elections in Canada. Surely, if you are so opposed to corruption in Argentina, you are also opposed to corruption in other countries? Doesn't Paraguay have any problems you'd like to complain about?

    Actually, this supposedly Mercosur focused site seems strangely biased against reporting news from Paraguay. Maybe they've forgotten it's a member?

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    G................. ...
    :-)

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • imoyaro

    @ Delirium Tremens
    Kamerad/Komrade Rique is one of the most vociferous exponents of K corruption here. His attempt to gain access to the public trough is another example of populist peronist crooks failing. Did you bother to watch the award winning documentary? I thought not. Meanwhile, the recent decision to jail Da Vido bodes well for the same happening to Gauchito Drink's favorite Narcokleptocrat. As for Paraguay, maybe you need to go elsewhere to find real news. Not to mention read a book or 20... :)

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod Beeblebrox

    Will CFK be bothered to vote this time?

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Oooh, another stupid nickname! Did I touch a nerve?

    No, I didn't watch the documentary, it wanted me to install flash and I CBA. And somehow I don't think Enrique was standing as a Peronist in Canada. Even though I disagree with his political views, I'm sure he did just want to see less corruption.

    And sure I can get news of Paraguay elsewhere - judging by the latest your current government are corrupt reactionary bigots - but Paraguay is a member of Mercosur, so why is it so rarely mentioned on this site? Probably because it's landlocked so it's not very relevant to the South Atlantic (Falkland) Islands.

    Oct 19th, 2017 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Diosecito mío...
    Este coso nos gobierna?
    http://www.eldestapeweb.com/en-medio-la-conmocion-maldonado-macri-visito-una-bruja-antes-votar-n34975

    Oct 22nd, 2017 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • imoyaro

    My, my, Eldestape, another K news outlet associated with C5N. More fake news, eh, Gauchito Drink?

    Oct 22nd, 2017 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Early results: with numbers from 45 percent of the polls in, Cambiemos' Bullrich is showing about 43 percent, vs Kirchner with about 36 percent.

    For Bs As - Capital: Cambiemos bloc Carrió at over 50 percent, Kirchnerist Filmus about 21 percent.

    In general, albeit seeing early results, Cambiemos is looking pretty good.

    Oct 23rd, 2017 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Zaphod Beeblebrox

    Marti,

    “In general, albeit seeing early results, Cambiemos is looking pretty good”

    And now, with most votes counted, Cambienos have done very well. In addition, Kirchnerism and Peronism have been all but wiped out with some historic losses.

    Macri hasn't been perfect (but who is?) but has managed to start turning the economy around and it seems that not only have the majority of Argentines apparently recognised this and voted accordingly, they have also rejected CFK.

    I remember Reekie's hysterical reaction when I predicted that CFK would become increasingly irrelevant before the primaries. Oh dear. :-D

    Oct 23rd, 2017 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    “I remember Reekie's hysterical reaction when I predicted that CFK would become increasingly irrelevant before the primaries.”

    It's performances like that that make this venue so entertaining.

    Oct 23rd, 2017 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @ZB: “ I remember Reekie's hysterical reaction when I predicted that CFK would become increasingly irrelevant before the primaries...”

    She still gets the senate seat. But then we're sort of looking forward to the entertainment value of someone who looks a full 116 but acts like a pouty 12-year-old in the senate.

    There are plenty of rivers in Argentina for the rest of these peroncho lemmings to go drown themselves.

    Oct 23rd, 2017 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Sorry to see Enrique lose his election but nice to see him standing, to see one of our best contributors taking political action in real life. Keep it up comrade, the way things are going in the English speaking world your time may yet come =) And nice to see such reasonableness from Demon Tree, who I'm actually coming to like despite some political differences. Imoyaro though, talking bout someone else being hysterical is really a case of pot, kettle, black...

    Think: ”My insufficient..., restricted... and wanting Engrish translation would read...:
    They stop them to check their documents..., only because of the faces they “carry”* ...
    Because they have “brownish proletarian slob faces”..., or because they have kids faces...
    I don't want to live in THAT shitty Country..., it's a shitty Country THAT ONE...
    - *(“Carry”..., as in “carry a gun”...)“

    That's what I love about Cristinita, she may have been ”the highest authority” in her country (and done a better job of it than the current shit) but she's clearly an old anti-authoritarian hippy at heart =)

    Marti (McFlying back to the neoliberal 90s with Cambiembos): “But then we're sort of looking forward to the entertainment value of someone who looks a full 116 but acts like a pouty 12-year-old in the senate.”

    She looks and acts the same age - young and vibrant, with a lovely pout =)

    Oct 26th, 2017 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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