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“Fire and Fury” becomes an instant bestseller despite Trump's threats

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President Donald Trump legal threat aimed at “Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House”” appears to have the effect of making the book an early 2018 hot-selling title. On its first day of release, bookstores in major cities like Washington D.C., New York, and Los Angeles reported selling out of the initial order, and other shops in places like Oxford, Miss., and Shaker Heights, Ohio, also said that buyers quickly snatched up copies of their first batch. Read full article

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  • Chicureo

    If only half of what's written is true, it's certainly unsettling, but to have Clinton as President would be a disaster.

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Seriously? How could she possibly be more of a disaster than Trump?

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Chicureo

    Benghazi and Uranium one are just two reasons...

    Even the left is now putting pressure on Hillary to make her finally go away. She has lusted for the power of the presidency for decades. She almost had it, but it was snatched from her twice. She just absolutely cannot accept that.

    The Democrats wants her gone. She´s poison, a two time loser. But she bought the DNC in 2016 and refuses to give it up. So The Swamp is fighting back.

    If she relinquishes her power and fades away like all other failed candidates in the past then this investigation will die the same quiet death of all the others that have dealt with them before.

    The left needs a new leader to promote issues important to their causes, Clinton is not one of them.

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Benghazi, meh. What is Uranium one, and what is 'this investigation'?

    She sure is a sore loser, but I can't see her having been anything other than a mediocre president, while Trump is already disastrous. It beats me how so many Americans still can't see that he's a total charlatan with no clue what he's doing.

    I agree the left in America needs a new leader. Preferably one who actually is left; the Democrats would be considered a right-of-centre party anywhere else.

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    You and I disagree. The Clinton's are a corrupt political machine with many associated scandals. Obama was clean, but Hillary is crooked.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5202447/New-DOJ-probe-Hillarys-role-Uranium-One-deal.html

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Funny that even the right-wing Daily Mail don't believe Trump; they mention several times he's pushing this to distract from his own Russia scandal.

    I wish I trusted the investigations to be impartial, but it seems that's no longer possible in today's America.

    The article is a good reminder that the US government would still have been dysfunctional to the max even if Hilary had won. With a Dem President and a Repub House and Senate there would have been deadlock, and we'd still have the investigations and accusations. Really it's impressive how little Trump has accomplished when his party controls all branches of the government, but I guess things will soon get worse for the Americans who depend on Obamacare, now they've arranged to kill it off stealthily without replacing it with anything.

    Do you think Bill Clinton's presidency was a disaster for America?

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Think

    Don't worry..., Anglos...
    One of the brightest minds of the Anglosphere has publicly declared today that President Trump is a genius...

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Bill Clinton was an immoral crook that had a very successful term in office. It's sad that he was caught doing what many other presidents were guilty of, like Kennedy.

    THINK

    I'm not worried as the self declared genius has invited Piñera to visit the White House. (Yes, I imagine he'll invite Macri as well...)

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    So what makes you think Hilary Clinton the immoral crook wouldn't have an equally successful term in office?

    Americans can be so puritan, it's funny how easy they are to shock.

    @Think
    Every time I read his tweets I think of that idiocracy film.

    Is Chicureo an Anglo?

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Think

    Hermanito Shileno...

    Maurizio has already been invited by Trump...:
    https://cde.laprensa.e3.pe/ima/0/0/1/6/8/168202.jpg

    The only thing he got out of that visit was a 72% antidumping levy on Argie biodiesel exports to the USofA...
    Some 2,000,000,000 U$D of business lost yearly... for Macri's friends and family...

    Lets hope Huevostian is luckier...

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Judoman0197

    I wish I could live long to read what history has to say about this sad excuse for human life form that resides in the White House. He was always a crook and a snake oil salesmen and he slithered in from New York and his bankrupt casinos in Atlantic City. Now he has made Himself , The Office of President, and the whole Country, the laughing stock of the World. All in just one Year! Till he departs and how he goes, it will be show for ages. UNREAL!

    Jan 06th, 2018 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    Some of the revelations are kind of sad really. Here is a septuagenarian, theoretically at the height of his ( or anyone's ) powers, and he sleeps alone, he locks his bedroom door, he consumes a McDonald's cheeseburger, consults his three TV sets - all set to the 24 hr news cycle- and goes to bed at 6:30 p.m.

    I doubt he has any real friends, just sycophants ( albeit very RICH sycophants ) who listen to his rants, tell him what he wants to hear and then leak the contents to their friends in the press. And women, of course, are there to be used, certainly not trusted. I think he must be rather lonely...

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    I'm a mix of Chilean Anglo - Castilian parentage.
    Bill Clinton did a good job as president, but his wife would be a disaster.
    What I really like about Trump is that he says what he wants and irritates almost everyone. Not your typical politician

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    No reasons then, you just feel that way?

    That does seem to be a common reason to like him, it's just a shame that most of what he wants to say is self-aggrandising lies and insults. Do people mistake offensiveness for honesty, or did they truely elect him out of spite?

    @Think
    I shouldn't laugh, but I am.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse -7
  • imoyaro

    For those who don't really understand how Donald Trump operates...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • YourWorseNightmare

    More anti American limeys spewing their bile. What they do not understand is that we do not care what they think. The only thing that matters is that they shut up and do as they are told!

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • The Voice

    YWN/Chronic, you cannot hide! You may be bigger but you're not better. Our country is not being run by a moron.

    This book has revealed a circus providing the rest of the world with entertainment. You do care which is why you are here saying you dont. You hicks shouldnt have voted for a snake oil salesman.

    Its ludicrous that the richest most technologically advanced nation on earth cannot elect an intelligent honest and capable person as leader, its pathetic.

    You made this film.. https://youtu.be/BBvIweCIgwk Its your future!

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • DemonTree

    I reckon YWN is Hepatia the spammer, not the Chronic dumbass, but if it gets either of their knickers in a twist that's good enough for me.

    She's a fool if she takes insults to Trump personally. And I agree the post is an admission that she does care what we think.

    @TV
    The US will become Idiocracy within 25 years...

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeee...

    And today..., the Torygraph informs us that the whole “Special Relationship” with them Yanks..., depends of that sweet mulatto lass and Harry inviting Trump to their wedding...

    Happy Brexit..., Yank suckers...

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    There is no 'special relationship' except in the minds of journalists with not enough actual news.

    Maybe they could elope, I think we've had enough royal weddings.

    PS. The 19th century called, they want their racist terminology back.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Elope an Engrish Royal wedding...!

    Are you gone completely bananas..., boy...?

    That would be completely unfair for that nice Mulatto-Ginger couple...

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    They'd get to choose their own guests, and it would save us from endless boring headlines. Win-win.

     https://youtu.be/KVN_0qvuhhw

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • The Voice

    Tinkle...back from leering at babes is bikinis?

    I cannot imagine any so called humble Patagonian horsemeat dealer subscribing £125 pa for an online subscription to the Torygraph!

    But, the Argie Embassy nest of spies and malcontents in Brook Street undoubtably does..

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • ElaineB

    The 'Special Relationship' is purely about intelligence sharing; that's all.

    Trump is a fine example of The Emperor's New Clothes' and how people will believe what they want to believe. The truth is irrelevant to a lot of people. Trump is a charlatan. He never wanted to be President and never expected to win.

    Trump's mental health deterioration is a threat to the whole world, not just the U.S. and as the net closes in on his family's illegal business dealings we will see him get more erratic. It is just a matter of time. They will go down fighting but they will go down.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • darragh

    I can't make my mind up about Trump. He's either a total buffoon or the canniest political operator since Tricky-Dicky and even he got caught with his Watergate's down.

    One thing I will say and that is that the US media needs to be careful because if they overdo the spite and bile they direct at him they may create a martyr and that might, just might get him re-elected.....!!

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ darragh I think his mind will be shredded in 4 years. I know what you mean about the media but we also have to be sure that his behaviour does not become the norm or acceptable. They need to be on his tail because they do speak for the majority.

    Trump is already a martyr to his core supporters. As he said himself he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they would still support him. He knows how dumb they are and manipulates it.

    I totally disagree with the argument that excuses Trump because 'at least it is not Hillary'. What a stupid statement that is.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Elaine

    I'm not against moderate liberal left leaning women leaders. I admire Michelle Bachelet, although I recently voted for Piñera.
    I truly believe Trump won because North Americans had two extreme choices and Trump better appealed to the middle class and poor than a woman many distrusted.
    I truly think he'll win a second term.
    ...And no, I'm not a right wing nut...

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I see that Trump, in proclaiming his own genius, forgot to mention his main characteristic....his modesty.

    YourWorseNightmare ....more like our best joke.

    You have as much chance of that as a Trump supporter having an IQ of 100....you are the prime example of why the USA is sliding downhill. My advice...learn Chinese, you will need it.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Enrique Massot

    Donald Trump has already done a lot to isolate the U.S. and reduce its leadership among “free-world nations” as they used to say, which could become an unexpected perk as it could open the door to a more multipolar, less U.S.-dominated world.

    Certainly Trump's intransigence in relation to the North American Free Trade Agreement is already encouraging Canada to do what it should have started long time ago: look for other partners around the world and reduce its dependence on its neighbour.

    Latin American countries would also greatly benefit from reduced interference on their internal affairs by their northern neighbour.

    So in the end Trump may achieve something akin to viruses that encourage response from an immune system.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Ah, Señor Massot

    Donald Trump has already done a lot to reinvigorate the USA. In business optimism, note the stock market all time high and the tax reductions to corporate business. Trillions of Dollars held abroad are being repatriated because of this as well. Unemployment statistics are at record lows, especially for African Americans and “Hispanics” which surprised the media pundits.

    The USA leadership among “free-world nations” definitely taken a change with a more combative and reactionary position which defines their independence. Cutting aid to Pakistan as well as to the Palestinians actually makes sense. Moving the Embassy to Jerusalem was greatly condemned by the UN, but Trump did what several presidential administrations in the past had promised, but then procrastinated.

    As far as trade, Chile's participation will benefit greatly because we don't compete with North American produced goods. Bio fuel from Argentina does... They say that when the United States has a cold, Canada has pneumonia as they are so dependent, so I doubt they'll do anything but cooperate. Mexico will still have to put up with the indignity of a border wall as well as trade restrictions because they have no alternative.

    And the famous Paris Climate Agreement, and the Canadian oil pipeline reversals clearly shows Trump protecting blue collar jobs which helped him get re-elected. Hillary already declared the coal mining industry dead, which caused huge resentment in several states. She lost on this position alone.

    Certainly I agree that Trump's dismissal of North American policy will be welcomed by Latin American countries who would also greatly benefit from reduced interference on their internal affairs by their northern neighbor. I think Enrique, you'd prefer Venezuela for example, to sink into complete hell with people starving and 3,000 percent inflation. Probably Trump agrees with you.

    Thank God, Nixon and Kissinger interfered in our Marxist-socialist paradise

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    I disagree. Trump hasn't done much so far. He's cut taxes without cutting spending, which is simply the other side of the coin from increasing benefits without raising taxes. Both give the illusion of greater prosperity now by mortgaging the future.

    Nothing else he's done is likely to make much difference in the long run, it's all designed to make a splash in the press and impress his base without really accomplishing anything. Moving the embassy causes some trouble, but accomplishes nothing useful. Employment in the US was already at a record high, and Hillary is still right about the coal industry, although it sucks for the people who depend on it. The wall has not been started after a year, and Mexico will never pay for it.

    The idea that the US needed to define their independence is simply baffling to me. It would be like the Spanish Empire trying to define their independence from their colonies. That's not the way it works.

    And I bet there still haven't been nearly as many people killed in Venezuela as there were in Chile.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    You should be a commentator for the press.

    Trump administration economics is betting on substantial growth with already a surge in gross domestic product which will perhaps increase tax revenues. As far as gross overspending, Bush and certainly Obama are guilty of “mortgaging the future.”

    Moving the embassy has inspired Jews throughout the world and frankly the Palestinians would continue rock throwing wherever the embassy is located. (Not moving the embassy would have resulted in no change of peace talks.)

    Prototypes of the border wall have been completed and probably Mexico will subsidize unwillingly the wall's construction by promised increased tariffs. (My sympathies are with the Mexican people on this, but politically it's a major win for the Trump administration.)

    The idea that the US needed to redefine its foreign policy is long overdue. Trump's approach to the Middle East, the Korean nuclear problem and NATO are all rattling the liberal left's tedious lack of action.

    You're ignorantly wrong about Venezula. The homicide rate is one of the highest in the world, with documented starvation and mortality due to lack of medicine appalling. I think the majority of the Venezuelan people would gratefully welcome a coup d'état, but obviously without a lengthy dictatorship which they're suffering.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Naturally they say they are betting on growth, but it's highly irresponsible to rely on it when previous tax cuts have not delivered enough to offset the loss of revenue. Of course, the increased debt won't be their problem to deal with, whereas people will have more money now.

    The last time the US had a balanced budget was under Clinton, and at this rate they may never have one again. Trump did say he was planning on an Argentina-style solution, and he has a lot of experience with bankruptcy after all...

    “Moving the embassy has inspired Jews throughout the world”

    So it's given some people a warm and cosy feeling? How nice. Trump is all showmanship and no substance.

    As for the border wall, if the US is going to screw money out of the Mexicans (while almost certainly damaging themselves in the process), there are better things they could spend it on. Pretty much anything else, in fact. Again, it's something that sounds impressive (and gets bigger each time the story is repeated, like the proverbial 'one that got away'). It may look impressive IF it ever gets built, but does not actually accomplish much. Certainly nothing that couldn't be done cheaper and better in other ways.

    And if you think Trump's policy on NK is a good idea, then frankly you scare me. Maybe since you live in Chile you believe you would survive if they accidentally start a nuclear war? Or perhaps you think that having intervened so successfully in Iraq and Afghanistan, it would be a great idea to try again in a place where the stakes are much, much higher?

    Also, do you mind telling me how Trump's approach to the Middle East is different to Obama's? Cause it looks to me like all the wars that were going on, are still going on, and US involvement is much the same as before.

    I do think what's going on in Venezuela now is pretty appalling. It could be argued the coup in Chile was not necessarily wrong, but murdering and torturing people merely for holding different opinions is inexcusable.

    Jan 07th, 2018 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    The new enormous tax cuts far exceed the previous tax cuts, and as a shortfall have resulted in an invigorated stock market with North American companies making enormous profits. That with repatriated revenues abroad will increase significantly GDP.

    Trump policies will have a brutal impact on environmental issues as well as free trade, which Trump has said should be FAIR trade instead. This I have mixed feelings on, but it doesn't affect my country.

    As you mention, increased debt won't be their problem to deal with, whereas people will have more money now. Populism results in votes for the short term.

    I've already commented that Clinton had a successful administration and his foreign policy was very successful. Trump never said “he was planning on an Argentina-style solution.” You are spreading FAKE news Pinocchio.

    What do you have against Jews? Moving the embassy was promised by the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations to garner fundamentalist Christian and Jewish votes, but then stalled. The new Embassy relocation IS substance.

    I agree the border wall is going to screw money out of the Mexicans and cause a tremendous amount of resentment. Problem is that it's a very popular theme with many North Americans. One of the major promises by Trump.

    Trump's policy on NK is refreshing after both Bush and Obama did little to stop probably one of the most dangerous countries on earth. Iran is another country that Trump is shaking their cage.

    As far as a nuclear war, I would worry for South Korea and Japan, but no one else. North Korea would no longer exist and I think the North Koreans know that.

    the “USA intervened in Iraq” you should research the fact that Trump was publicly completely against the Iraq invasion. Afghanistan had it coming.

    Trump's approach to the Middle East is obviously very different to Obama's. He's very pro-Saudi Arabia, very pro-Israel and very anti-Iran. He's ignored Russia's support of Syria and let the opposi

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    Trump resembles more and more a new Nero...

    His Mar-a-Lago resort is the Domus Aurea of Yankeeland...

    He is chaotic, corrupt and infantile as the last Julio-Claudian Emperor was...

    Like back then..., responsibility lays not sooo much in the fool..., as in the Praetorian Guard...

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice


    He is chaotic, corrupt and infantile as the last Julio-Claudian Emperor was... ”

    Reminds one of Kretina, look what happened to her!

    Thanks Twinkle...

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    Those Praetorians you mention were noted for betraying their emperor from time to time. I have no doubt some of Trump's cohorts have been disloyal as well. Acting as a tyrant I can see a parallel, but at least he didn't murder his mother.

    DemonTree

    To continue: ...the “USA intervened in Iraq” you should research the fact that Trump was publicly completely against the Iraq invasion. Afghanistan had it coming.

    Trump's approach to the Middle East is obviously very different to Obama's. He's very pro-Saudi Arabia, very pro-Israel and very anti-Iran. He's ignored Russia's support of Syria and let the opposition there be largely reduced.

    I completely agree what's going on in Venezuela now is appalling and murdering as well as torturing people is inexcusable. However, as Thomas Jefferson once said, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    If smaller tax cuts didn't pay for themselves, why do you think big ones will? Based on what I have seen, economists think some of the cuts/changes will be good for growth, others are more problematic (taking money away from the states, for example). But very few think they won't increase the deficit.

    I would support fair trade, but all Trump wants is to benefit America and screw everyone else; see his policy on Mexico, and the anti-dumping charge that Think mentioned.

    RE fake news, here's what Trump said:

    “Now we're in a different situation with the country. But I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal. And if the economy was good, it was good. So, therefore, you can't lose.”

    Later he said he wouldn't default, and later still he said it was unnecessary because the US could always print money to pay the debt (hello inflation). So as usual we have no idea what he really means.

    And I have nothing against Jews, I just don't think moving an embassy counts as a substantial change. As you said, it's a way to get votes, the same as the wall. Neither are good policy.

    If you think Trump's opposition to the Iraq war is positive (and I agree), then why do you support his antagonising NK and Iran? Are the people of NK, SK, and Japan acceptable collateral damage if those two 'stable geniuses' decide to start a nuclear war?

    And I should probably let you finish, but “He's very pro-Saudi Arabia, very pro-Israel and very anti-Iran.”

    In other words, the same as US foreign policy since forever.

    @Think
    Who are you casting as his Praetorian guard? The voters? The Republican party? Or the alt-right types like Bannon?

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    IMHO..., Trump is kind of “popular” with a certain kind of insecure people because he gives them an excuse to let their own personall “inner swine” get some air...

    From grabbing chicks pussies without consent to trashing Latinos, Sandniggas and Gooks..., he does an excellent job...

    Yeahhhh...
    Let him nuke North Korea out of the map..., his insecure supporters seem to Think...
    (Forgetting that the hearth of China is just 500 km west..., in the windward direction...)

    Yeahhhh...
    Let him cancel all cooperation with them Paki Muslims, destabilize them and let them fry in their own lard..., his insecure supporters seem to Think...
    (Forgetting the ~200 Atomic bombs that already unstable regime posseses)...

    And there is more..., much more....

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    “Let him cancel all cooperation with them Paki Muslims, destabilize them and let them fry in their own lard”

    Not to mention that Afghanistan is landlocked. How does he plan to keep fighting there with no access? Perhaps he could ask Iran if they would mind letting the US army cross their territory...

    @Chicureo
    Personally I would be happy if you had just jailed the murderers and tyrants like Pinochet. Killing them is unnecessary.

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree
    It will take perhaps a few years to see if Trump's tax reduction scheme will be successful, but in the short term it's being enthusiastically received by investors. Note the NY Stock exchange alone. Democratic “blue” states will probably suffer, but that's the strategy. He's rewarding his voter base and could care less about liberal dominated areas.

    I agree that Trump wants is to benefit America and screw everyone else in his way, he really doesn't care about Mexico. China could be his largest problem as they've become a major power broker in the world. They're the ones staying also awake at night worrying about Kim Jong and Donald's tirades.

    You fail to see the significance of moving their embassy to Jerusalem. Again a enormous assistance to his popularity with fundamental Christians and Jews. The wall promise is perhaps the most important reason for his popularity.

    DemonTree, you're looking at this White House administration from an educated global reasonable point of view. Trump however is supported from a mix of disaffected and resentful blue collar voters base that's especially against traditional leadership. Democracy many times does not equal to a good domestic or foreign policy.

    Speaking of foreign policy, Trump has made a dramatic 180 degree change in its approach to Iran which Obama supported a treaty with, Saudi Arabia, whom he slighted, Israel which he ignored and Iraq, where he's let the military run mayhem with ISIS. Pakistan really gets screwed as their only recourse is to shut down their border access to NATO, which results in even more economic damage to their economy.

    THINK
    Those historic Praetorians you mention were noted for betraying their emperor from time to time. I have no doubt some of Trump's cohorts have been disloyal as well. Acting as a tyrant I can see a parallel, but at least he didn't murder his mother as Nero did.

    By the way, those Pakistani nuclear missiles are for countering India. They're not stupid.

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Twinkle appears to be drooling. Harking back to those halceon days of Galtieri. Not surprising...

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    “DemonTree, you're looking at this White House administration from an educated global reasonable point of view.”

    Yes. And I had assumed you were too, since you are not American and obviously educated.

    “Democracy many times does not equal to a good domestic or foreign policy.”

    Exactly. It can give you communists, or Chavez, or people like Trump who prefer policies that impress his base but achieve little of substance. Not to mention purposely harming his own people if they live in states that support the opposition, which is pretty apalling behaviour for any government.

    I thought we were talking about real achievements. If you want to say moving the embassy, and talking about the wall, will get votes from his supporters, then I agree. They are still bad policy (and neither has happened yet, either.)

    As for Iran, it was Obama who tried a new approach, and Trump who wants to go back to the old status quo where they were busily building nuclear weapons. Which he can't, because other countries will not go along with the US if he breaks the treaty. Also please tell us how Obama slighted the equally evil Saudi Arabia. Last thing I remember was Republicans bitching because he bowed to their king or some such.

    And Pakistan can be less cooperative without banning access entirely. Depends if the deal seems worth it to them.

    @TV
    Ah come on, you actually agree with Think for once. Why not enjoy the brief moment instead of picking a fight? ;)

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -10
  • Think

    Hermanito Shileno...

    You say...:
    “Those historic Praetorians you mention were noted for betraying their emperor from time to time...”

    I say...:
    As a member of a modern Praetorian Guard noted for betraying and inducing the suicide of their Commander in Chief you surely know what you are talking about...

    By the way... , do you remember the name of the Roman Dictator that created the Praetorian Guard...?

    *** AUGUSTO ***, it was...
    Funny coincidence..., huhhh?

    Jan 08th, 2018 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree
    I AM looking at the current White House administration from an educated global and reasonable point of view. I didn't say I AGREE with Trump, but understand instead his apparent style of politics.

    And yes, I prefer Democracy, but “Democracy many times does not equal to a good domestic or foreign policy.” That's why I mention that “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

    “It can give you communists, or Chavez, or people like” ...Allende... Exactly my point... My country suffered because of a Marxist-Socialist government followed by a brutal dictatorship. Compliments of a freely democratic election...

    Yes, Obama who tried a prudent new approach to Iran who happens to be Saudi Arabia'a arch enemy, which DID p*ss off them. Trump has already shown complete disregard for what the rest of the world thinks, a perfect example is the Jerusalem embassy, of which the majority of the UN condemned the decision. He doesn't care.

    I personally had no problem with Obama bowing in front of the Saudi king, but his redneck NRA deer hunting voter base was p*ssed. If you followed the American election gatherings, Trump always was promoting “Lets Make America Great Again” which includes demeaning Obama's administration. And despite the stupidity of going against a needed national health care program, he promised to kill it to cheering crowds. “We're going to build a wall and kill Obama care.” Were a constant theme.

    I suspect that Trump plans to disengage from Afghanistan and declare a victory, leaving the entire area to self destruct. Not good foreign policy, but popular and cost savings.

    According to the current White House administration, Pakistan, the Palestinian authority and a number of other countries will receive severe cuts in USA aide. This action will be cheered by his voter base.

    THINK
    YES I know the story of “Et tu, Brute?” Allende couldn't believe that Pinochet was plotting against him...

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    I understand Trump's style of politics to be populism: do what looks good to his supporters in the short term, and to hell with good policy or what's best for the country. And it has the particularly unpleasant element of encouraging his supporters' worst impulses, as Think said. Impossible not to think badly of the cheering crowds who choose to believe such a message.

    As for Chile, yes I meant to include Allende in communists, but don't blame the voters for the dictatorship. Pinochet could have reestablished democracy at any time, and he chose to murder and torture all those people.

    And I bet those terrorist groups that eventually arose to fight against the dictatorship saw themselves as patriots trying to shed the blood of tyrants. It wasn't them who ended the dictatorship though, was it? Unlike how it started, it ended without bloodshed.

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Finally you understand Trump's populism. To hell with good global policy.

    As for Chile, I remind you that it was a civil war in 1973 and both sides sought to to shed the blood of tyrants. Actually, Pinochet reestablished democracy in 1989.

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    coup d'état...

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    I always understood that about Trump. I just wasn't expecting you to support his bad global policy in NK.

    How many of the military were killed in 1973 anyway?

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    What on earth is NK? I probably don't support it...

    Overall, roughly the Chilean military regime left over 3,000 dead or missing.

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • El capitano 1

    (( Laughter))..One can only smile at the poor ignorant saps who would give this work of fiction even one minute of their time....Was hlarious watching all those left wing liberal bleeding hearts standing in line to pony up a fist full of dollars for a book that is total horse shit...(Same crowd who just had to have the last Harry Potter book...lol)...But get this...The authour on page ten actually prints a “Disclaimer”....He is on record as saying he has no idea what is true and what is not....Yet they still line up for a work of pure fiction.....lol...I tell ya...you cant make this shit up...!

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    I just figured out in my wine affected mind you're referring to North Korea, which yes I think strong actions, including trade, as approved by the UN Security Council are necessary. Calling Kim a little fatso dictator is Trump's style.

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Yes, and Kim called Trump a dotard and said his behaviour was mentally deranged. If ever there were two people who ought not be armed with so much as a pillow, it's them. The world is in a pretty bad way when we have to reply on *Kim Jong-un's* good sense...

    As for action, there have already been umpteen rounds of sanctions on North Korea, with no effect but to make the people suffer. There are no good options here, that is why successive presidents from both parties did little.

    How many of those 3000 were in the military, and how many were killed early on?

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Think

    Mr.DemonTree...

    You ask Mr. Chicureo...:
    “How many of those 3000 were in the military, and how many were killed early on...?” (In that murderous asymetric engagement between the Shilean Army and the People they swore to defend...)

    I say...:
    Wery few indeed..., but I (and most decent people in Shile) clearly remember two of the loyal Praetorians that stood firmly by their word of honour..., until assessinated...:

    General Carlos Prats González (24 de Febrero 1915 – 30 de Septiembre1974)
    PRESENTE...!

    Brigadier General Alberto Arturo Miguel Bachelet Martínez (27 de Abril 1923 – 13 de Marzo 1974)
    PRESENTE...!

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    El capitano 1

    “...He is on record as saying he has no idea what is true and what is not....Yet they still line up for a work of pure fiction.....lol...” I agree...


    DemonTree

    Sanctions against North Korea were approved by the ENTIRE UN Security counsel, which includes Russia and China. Shooting ICBM missiles over Japan didn't win little Kim any friends, except Iran which has been cooperating with them on nuclear development. The hardship on the North Korean people is self inflicted.

    You had to live during the infamous UP government of Allende to understand why the majority approved of the Chilean military regime taking over in 1973. The aftermath was regrettable. Today we see the poor struggling populace in Venezuela in a similar situation, with a “democratically elected government.”

    What do you think the people should do with Maduro and his supporters? Trump seems to think placing economic sanctions and letting them rot in their hellhole is the solution...

    THINK

    I would respectfully add Jaime Jorge Guzmán Errázuriz
    Assassinated: April 1, 1991

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    I'm sure the book-buyers will get their money's worth in entertainment if nothing else.

    It's rather unfair to say NK's suffering is self-inflicted. *They* have no say in who governs them, or whether they have a nuclear program or not, or whether Donald 'my button is bigger than your button' Trump needs a bigger distraction from the Russia probe one day, and decides to turn them all into glass.

    “You had to live during the infamous UP government of Allende to understand why the majority approved of the Chilean military regime taking over in 1973.”

    What happened to those who disagreed? Something 'regrettable'?

    And did you (and Pinochet?) have to swear an oath to serve in the Navy? If so what was it?

    @Think
    Good for them.

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    “What happened to those who disagreed? Something 'regrettable'?”
    You can read all about the tragedy in detail the result. How about answering about Venezula? And by the way, what would you do about North Korea?

    My oath was to protect my country and defend it with my life as I remember...

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Hermanito Shileno...

    I have told you many times not to drink and write...The result is not nice...
    Here we are talking about some milicos of the 70's and you see fit to throw in a civilian and a lawyer from the 90's...

    I will then..., respectfully..., “retruco” you with a Mapuche from the 00's ...: Matías Valentín Catrileo Quezada... Assassinated: January 3, 2008...

    By the way... your soldiers oath (and Pinochio's) was something like this...:

    Yo, Chicureo juro por Dios y por esta bandera...
    servir fielmente a mi patria, ya sea en mar, en tierra o en cualquier lugar...
    hasta rendir la vida si fuese necesario, cumplir con mis deberes y obligaciones militares...
    *** CONFORME A LAS LEYES Y REGLAMENTOS VIGENTES ***
    obedecer con prontitud y puntualidad las órdenes de mis superiores...
    y poner todo empeño en serun soldado valiente, honrado y amante de mi patria....

    Wasn't it...?

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    Venezuela? Depends which people you mean. What the US is doing now seems pretty reasonable; sanctions on certain individuals and companies but not on the country as a whole, it would just make the people suffer even more. I don't think they should do more.

    For the Venezuelans, I think as their government has abandoned democracy it is no longer legitimate, and they should fight to change it. Non-violent methods are preferable.

    I don't know if other countries in South America could help. VZ has become isolated as many neighbours have moved to the right, and Maduro is unlikely to listen to anyone.

    As for NK, I already said there is no good option, but I would not poke a cornered rat. Putting pressure on China is really the only sensible course; they could probably arrange a coup if they really wanted to.

    @Think
    Ahh. Thank you for jogging his memory.

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    You're talking in circles regarding Venezuela. The United States, notably led by Senator Marco Rubio, is leading a campaign to restrict the financial dealings of the Maduro regime. Chile, like the rest of South America, has several Venezuelans that have escaped the hellhole. The country needs a regime change, but I afraid no one is going to.

    North Korea was back at the negotiating table after a two year hiatus and announced they're sending a delegation to the Winter Olympics, so the mad man isn't likely to push his button yet.

    Think doesn't need to jog my memory as I lived through the nightmare.

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    The question seems to be...:

    Is a classist subjectively percieved “Nightmare” enough excuse to break a man's oath...?

    Is the “Nightmare” of owning a Lada instead of a Land Rover enough excuse to break a man's oath...?

    Is the “Nightmare” of eating frozen Russian fish instead of a Big Mac enough excuse to break a man's oath...?

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    “You're talking in circles regarding Venezuela.”

    How so? Do you object to me agreeing with the US sanctions on individuals or agreeing with you that the country needs a regime change?

    Marco Rubio is a Cuban American, no? Perhaps that explains some of his interest.

    “they're sending a delegation to the Winter Olympics”

    Well then, I guess we have a couple of months, at least. :)

    Jan 09th, 2018 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    You have a remarkable memory... Ladas and Russian frozen fish will remain in my memory along with watching my country turn to ruin. History has shown the crimes of the unfortunate period and I'm not blinded by what happened after 1973...

    To the best of my memory, I never broke my oath nor did I participate in any human rights violations. I was a lowly signals corps officer working behind a desk.

    The present question seems to be what you would do with Venezuela?


    DemonTree

    The point is that current actions are not having an effect on changing the Maduro regime. You believe that current sanctions will be successful?

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    No, I don't. Do you think the ones Rubio is proposing will?

    I do think that America's recent attempts at regime change have not gone well. It's not their job to fix Venezuela and they are likely to do more harm than good if they try.

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    Demon Tree

    If you study their history, which reads a telenovela, another Venezuelan coup d'état would be in line for regime change that would probably result in thousands of deaths. Hard decision out of my pay grade.

    Perhaps we should patiently wait for THINK's evaluation of Venezuela...

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    The only hope for Venezuela lies with Venezuela's own people. If they continue to tolerate rule by Maduro or his like they will continue to suffer. There is only one way out and Maduro is pushing the population relentlessly towards it....

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    I suspect that may be a long wait...

    @TV
    I tend to agree that it is up to the Venezuelans. Argentina went back to democracy quick enough after the junta lost all their support.

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    The present question seems to be what you would do with Venezuela?

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    There is an old saying about not just giving thoughts to ones next..., but also teaching them how to think...

    My young, intelligent jewish journalistic acquaintance linked below..., has just compilated some info and opinions about what to do with Venezuela..., that I fully endorse...:
    https://www.nodal.am/2018/01/venezuela-duelo-la-muerte-del-realismo-magico-ano-electoral-alvaro-verzi-rangel/

    The name is Brieger..., Pedro Brieger...

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    Thanks for answering.

    “...una transición política negociada sigue siendo la opción preferida, pero la intervención militar de una coalición de fuerzas regionales puede ser la única manera de terminar una hambruna artificial en peligro millones de vidas, en un claro llamamiento a la intervención extranjera.”

    ”... Aloysio Nunes, le respondió y señaló que la idea de una hipotética intervención militar internacional en Venezuela para solucionar la crisis del país es “puro y simplemente delirio”. “Ni el surrealismo más delirante podría imaginar que el Consejo de Seguridad de Naciones Unidas, con Rusia y China aprobase una acción de esta naturaleza”

    Apparently the prudent solution to the Bolivarian Revolution is to place some restrictions on their leaders and patiently wait... ...like another Cuba USA situation...

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    “El mejor escenario sería elecciones libres y justas para elegir un nuevo gobierno, que se está buscado en las conversaciones que tienen lugar en la República Dominicana. “Pero desafía la credulidad pensar que un régimen dispuesto a morir de hambre millones de personas a permanecer en el poder daría ese poder en elecciones libres.”

    ”Indica que un golpe militar interno es menos apetecible para muchos políticos democráticos, porque temen que los soldados no podrán regresar a sus cuarteles después. “Esto nos deja con una intervención militar internacional, una solución que asusta a la mayoría de los gobiernos latinoamericanos, debido a un historial de las acciones agresivas contra sus intereses soberanos, sobre todo en México y América Central. Pero estos pueden ser las analogías históricas equivocadas”, Haussman insiste.”

    Can't blame them for not wanting outside intervention. There doesn't seem too much chance of getting those free elections though.

    Think, your journalist friend seems very fond of the word señala. Or is it just chance that I haven't seen it used much before?

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Mr.DemonTree...

    Firstly..., Mr.Brieger is not my journalist friend... As I clearly wrote above..., he is just an acquaintance...

    Secondly..., Mr. Brieger is not very fond of the word “señala”... As I clearly wrote above..., he just compilated some info and opinions from a broad spectre of authors about what to do with Venezuela...
    Some of those authors may or may not be very fond of the very common word “señala”...

    Thirdly..., if you are the least interested in some INFORMATION about Venezuela..., I varmly recommend reading Mr. Briegers articles like the following...:
    https://www.nodal.am/2017/12/venezuela-2017-la-violencia-la-politica-pedro-brieger-director-nodal/

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Do you really believe Venezuela is ever going to improve as long as Maduro keeps running the place? Everyone I know in real life who has been there think's it's an utter disaster, people are fleeing the country... it probably will end up like Cuba

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    DT

    (Not that I endorse Communism...)
    There's actually a tremendous difference between the two countries.
    -Sufficient food supplies for all.
    -good health care and medicine for all.
    -a stable monetary system.
    -low unemployment.
    -low crime rate.
    -a more diversified economy
    -a booming tourism industry
    ....there is a major difference....

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Cuba..., Mr. Chicureo self-declared communist nightmare during the seventies...

    -Sufficient food supplies for all...
    -Good health care and medicine for all...
    -A stable monetary system for all...
    -Low unemployment for all...
    -Low crime rate for all...
    -A diversified economy for all...
    - High quality primary, secondary & tertiary education for all...
    -A booming tourism industry...

    An Anticommunist nightmare..., indeed...

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Just makes you wonder how VZ managed to screw it up so badly when they had all that oil, and used to be comparatively stable and prosperous from what I've heard.

    Weren't Cuba given loads of aid by the USSR though?

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    DT

    Yes, and when the USSR broke up, Cuba suffered greatly. Generous oil subsidies from Venezuela helped them out.
    One sentence: Castro smart, Maduro bumbling idiot.

    Jan 10th, 2018 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • YourWorseNightmare

    You limeys just don't get it. It doesn't matter if President Trump is re-elected in 2020. It doesn't even matter if he's impeached and removed from office before the end of his term. What's important is that your allies in the United States, the neocons and the others, are now out of power. They will not be returning. It doesn't matter how much you Brits try to interfere in our elections.

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Dear hermanito Shileno...

    Your political incongruences always make me Think about an auld Yank...
    Besides of priding them Yankee nickels and them two dollar bills..., he once wrote...:
    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

    I always wondered...:
    Was that Yank “Tree of Liberty” of his also refreshed by the blood of his many slaves...?
    Was that Yank “Tree of Liberty” of his doused by the blood of his six slave children...?
    Was that Yank “Tree of Liberty” of his used to hang Billie Holiday's Strange Fruit...?
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Web007rzSOI

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    “...Worst...”...

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    YWN

    I thought it was the Russians who interfered in the US elections.

    Please give us your evidence--not irrational prejudices-to back up this ludicrous statement that the UK interferes in the US elections.

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    YWN

    We couldnt care less about your elections. Perhaps some of our hackers did fix your voting machines to elect Trump though, just for a laugh. You are headed in the right direction... https://youtu.be/BBvIweCIgwk

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    “I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.”

    Thomas Jefferson

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. Chicureo...

    Mr. Jefferson could as well had written...:

    - “I never considered a difference of social standing or race as cause for withdrawing from a female slave.”

    Hence the..., at least..., six slave children Mr. Jefferson impregnated slave Sally Hemmings with...

    Don't get me wrong though... I am not critizicing Mr. Jefferson..., a savant man of his time...

    I'm just highlighting that the attempt to use of his militaristic, biblical, blood craving “Tree of Liberty” metaphore in the XXI century is a highpoint of political & ethical inconsistency and incongruence...

    Below... one of me favourites military evergreens...
    Anonimous, consistent and congruent...:
    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57e22423cd0f687b55eff8e4/t/58128cfbe3df2855ef14d1ed/1477618538334/1967+Zippo+Hue+17th+Cav+Killing+for+Peace?format=1500w

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    I'm a fan of Jefferson. The relationship with Sally Hemmings was understandable for the time and the man was a very progressive thinker...

    DemonTree

    Remember your comments regarding tax cuts...?
    Average tax cut to the middle class will exceed $1,000 per WSJ.

    MANY companies have announced bonuses of $1,000 or more...

    The biggest tight wad in the retail industry, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is boosting its starting hourly wage to $11 and delivering bonuses to employees, capitalizing on the U.S. tax overhaul to stay competitive in a tightening labor market.

    The increase takes effect next month and will cost $300 million on top of annual wage hikes that were already planned, the world’s largest retailer said Thursday. The one-time bonus of up to $1,000 is based on seniority and will amount to an additional $400 million. The company is also expanding its maternity and parental leave policy and adding an adoption benefit.

    This will result in some very satisfied voters in the short term...

    His comments about “sh*t hole countries” has outraged liberals, but plays well to his supporters.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    Would you be equally approving if he had handed out the same amount in unfunded benefits to the same people?

    It's funny how much the Republican party were crying about the deficit during Obama's presidency, yet now they couldn't care less.

    “His comments about “sh*t hole countries” has outraged liberals”

    Do you enjoy the unhappiness of these anonymous 'liberals'?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    You still don't get it. It's not that I approve of his actions as I instead understand the motives for what he doing. Those anonymous 'liberals' you speak of didn't vote for him. People with rifle racks in the back of their pickups are pleased.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    TWIMC...

    “Sh*t hole Countries”..., cries happily Trump Jr. ..., conveniently forgetting that his own Großvater arrived to the USA from what..., at the time..., was percieved as a BIIIIG “Sh*t hole Country”...
    Soooo much of a “Sh*t hole Country” it was..., that Trump Sr. and Trump Jr. are on record declaring their family came from...: SWEDEN...!

    “Sh*t hole countries”..., my Shilean hermanito seems to be happy of hearing from the Yank president mouth..., forgetting that..., his own beloved Shile..., ain't no more than a BIIIIG “Sh*t hole Country” for the Yank Rednecks that vote for Mr. Trump...

    Luckily though..., this humble Patagonian and his entire pure Aryan Clan are not exposed to the wrath of that fake Swede..., currently governing the USA..., whilst wet-dreaming of repopulating Gods Own Country with “Norske Jenter”...;-)))

    https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=“norske+jenter”&prmd=ivmn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVy6npy9LYAhUGYZoKHbG3C-0Q_AUIESgB&biw=1280&bih=800

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • YourWorseNightmare

    The British 'MI6' spy agency's attempt to promulgate anti Trump fake news, both during the primaries and the general, has been well documented by the media and others. As you may know the MI6 is the English equivalent of the Russian GRU.

    Of course the English have a long history of trying to influence the United States using fake news. Some of these efforts have resulted in the deaths of over 1 million Americans. In this regard England is worse than Israel!

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    Trump using the term “Sh*t hole countries” reflects his voter base feelings towards the thousands of immigrants that were encouraged into the USA during the Obama administration. And for the record,I don't support his policy, but I do understand his strategy.

    Speaking of race, did you ever realize that Chile attracted a much higher caliber immigrant base than Argentina? Most of our German settlers arrived during the Kaiser period, yours that came were Nazis. Your Italians came from the south of Italy, most of ours came from the north. Even our Mapuches are of far better caliber. Yes, both nations share the same motley mix of Iberians, English, Scots, Irish, Welsh, Croats and Arabs, but they seem to be less quarrelsome as well as corrupt.

    Even the Argentine women have larger feet... Why is that?

    YWN

    When, where and how? Maybe you're referring to WWII...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    “Even the Argentine women have larger feet... Why is that? ”

    Why....? You know the auld truth about Argie chics..., don't ya...? ...:
    Large feet..., large p**s**s
    (Essential to acomodate our very large d*c*s ;-)

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    Your theory may make sense, but those statuesque bipolar Argentina Amazons are known for their extreme passions...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5121113/Woman-chops-40-year-old-lovers-penis-Argentina.html

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    Maybe not you, (but then why do you keep bringing it up?) but for a lot of Trump supporters online, annoying 'liberals' seems to be one of the primary reasons they voted for him. A pathetic reason if true.

    And Think is perfectly right about those same people's attitude to Chile. They don't see you as any different to Mexicans, no matter how 'high calibre' your immigrants.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Clyde15

    YWN

    No point trying to give reasoned reply to your post. You are obviously a seriously disturbed individual who needs psychiatric help to rid him of his obsession with conspiracy theories.
    You make outrageous statements without an iota of proof.

    The deaths of 1 million Americans !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolute garbage and “fake news”

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    I'm just reminding you that there is a substantial voter base that is actually in agreement with his outrageous comments.

    The highly educated media dominated by 'liberals' you refer to are the primary reason why Trump won the election. Many people were sick and tired of educated liberals like yourself by saving the world and humanity by reducing fossil fuel dependence and allowing uncontrolled immigration.

    It's all about politics...

    As far as Mexico, I greatly appreciate the people, culture and beaches, but as a country with its corruption, crime and incommensurate social system its absolutely deplorable. We have an unfortunate disparity of social classes in the southern cone of South America, but nothing like Mexico.

    You need to visit Latin America before lecturing us about differences.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Hermanito Shileno...

    I Think our statuesque bipolar Argentinean Amazons are more than entitled to their extreme passions..., considering what viejos momios recalcitrantes like Caho Castaña Think...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgjwYtHnDfc

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    ;)
    Poor DemonTree can't even understand the difference between Argentines and Chileans...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Hermanito Shileno...
    Beside the oversize of Argie d*c*s..., what difference...?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    I'm just reminding you that there is a substantial voter base that couldn't care less about the difference between Chile and Mexico.

    Seriously, you don't have to remind me that Trump voters exist. But you are not one of those people, so you can't actually tell me why they believe as they do. I'm interested in your opinion, not your opinion of their opinion.

    Incidentally, what makes you think I have never visited Latin America?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Chicureo

    THINK

    The difference between Argentina and us?
    ...EGO...

    Besides Argentina having the highest percentage of psychotherapists in Latin America... Cultured, good communicators, assertive. Seriously hot women and legendary steaks. Other than a fabulous tall masted naval ship and superb military club, a dismal military. An incredible capacity for future development.

    Chile is far more “clasista”, pragmatic, conservative, traditional. Very divided politically inside. Less corrupt, melancholic... Outstanding sea food. A serious trained military and arsenal.

    DemonTree

    I'm just happy that he's not my president and I find the political hubris entertaining...

    Your innocence... Have you travelled to Latin America?

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    I am very happy about that too. Our current government is pretty awful but certainly nowhere near Trump's level of dysfunction.

    And I've visited a few central American countries including Mexico, but I haven't been to Chile so I can't compare the two. So far as I know both Chile and Argentina are richer and suffer less crime.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Think

    Hermanito Shileno...

    That EGO diference between our brother folks is rapidly diminishing..., hermanito...
    The Shilean ego has reached almost Argentinean proportions...
    A development that terrifies Perú and Bolivia...

    (Argie feet and d*c*s are still much, much larger... But don't take me word or it... Ask any Shilean lass in Viña... ;-)

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Voice

    Surely your d*c* Mr. Think is a Scandinavian one...
    ...unless of course, being born in Argentina alters ones genetics...;-)

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Mr.Voice...

    Our Sagas tell us that..., when my ancestors arrived to them British Isles in them Loooooong Ships..., the local men run to the hills whilst the women run to the beaches...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRZ0dIvwHY

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • DemonTree

    Ours say your ancestors were a bunch of murderers, thieves and rapists.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • YourWorseNightmare

    So, a few days ago it was reported, on Hannity if I remember correctly, that the Senate Judiciary Committee has instructed the FBI to investigate the English spies. So standby for some limey ass to be roasted. At last we have a Congress and administration that puts America first.

    An article that details a small number of hostile attacks made by the Brits against the United States. http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-history-fake-news-21386
    Nothing new - every American already knows this - but important to be reminded from time to time.

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Clyde15

    Your Congress has ALWAYS put America first.

    Where are the details of the 1,000,000 American deaths attributable to the UK please show

    As to Hannity I had no idea as to what that was so had to Google it.

    FOX NEWS !!!!!!!!! This is where you get all your crap information. It explains all we need to know about you !

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Lowlander...
    At least he watches a (fake) News Channel to get misinformed...
    You, on the other hand, seem to get all your World Info from the Birding Scotland quarterly...

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Clyde15

    Now how would a “supposed Argentinian” in Chubut know about that. I “Think” you are the biggest liar since Tam Lyn - a borderer.

    You seem to have access in detail on every publication and web site. You must have a team of gnomes scurrying away to keep your posts coming from Chubut....HARDLY !!.

    Maybe, just maybe, you are also a purveyor of fake news.

    Anyway, I have stopped believing what you and your cohorts say

    DT
    His lot were eventually kicked out round the first millennium. The Irish kept them contained around Dublin as they were too scared to go inland.
    DNA tests shows that there is almost no Norse DNA in Ireland
    Eventually they were turfed out to Cumbria and Lancs. where they did not last long.
    King Haakon tried his luck on the Clyde and he and his followers got booted out .
    This eventually led to the western isles being incorporated into Scotland.

    All this can be verified in Scottish Birds. This where I get ALL my news and information, especially about military aircraft and archaeology.

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Lowlander...

    If you have stopped believing in what I say...
    ... Why do you so believe what I say about me Viking ancestors...?
    You ain't returning to your silly belief that Mr. Voice and I were the same person... ain't ya...?

    Alba Gu Bràth
    El Think
    ;-)

    Jan 14th, 2018 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    “Why do you so believe what I say about me Viking ancestors...?”

    He read about it in Scottish Birds of course. The migratory ThinkVoice breeds in Norway and migrates to South America; specimens can sometimes be spotted in Scotland when strong winds blow them off course.

    But never mind, modern Scandinavians don't have that reputation at all. They are mostly known for metal bands, crime drama and minimalist furniture.

    Jan 15th, 2018 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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