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Brazil's conundrum: Army chief twits “good citizens repudiate impunity and respect the Constitution”

Wednesday, April 4th 2018 - 09:24 UTC
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The commander of Brazil's army added tension on the eve of a Supreme Court decision on whether former President Lula da Silva should be allowed to exhaust his appeals process before being sent to jail for a corruption conviction. Read full article

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  • :o))

    Brazil General THREATENS COUP if Lula doesn't go to Jail:
    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Brazil-General-Threatens-Military-Coup-if-Lula-Doesnt-go-to-Jail-20180403-0026.html

    Apr 04th, 2018 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    “No matter how many roses the mighty kill, they will never manage to stop spring.”

    Lula da Silva after Brazil's top court members voted 6-5 to send him to prison.

    A sad setback for democracy in South America, but not the end of the collective dream of finding true justice.

    Lula's spring will continue to inspire all those who work for a more just society for Brazil and for the poor of this world.

    Apr 05th, 2018 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Once again, the despicable Kamerad/Komrade Rique supports violence against the law...
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-10841416

    Apr 05th, 2018 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @Enrique

    I know little about brazilian politics but, perhaps, you might be able to explain to all of us how is that Lula's son became one of the most richest farmers of Brazil. Comming from a worker's family.....Would you be able to helps us a bit?

    Apr 05th, 2018 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Mr Potato-Head
    “Once again, …supports violence against the law…” I must be missing something but after three reads I can’t see any thing so indicated.
    In a proper functioning democracy General Eduardo Villas Boas would have been fired as Truman did Douglas MacArthur.

    Apr 05th, 2018 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @EM
    “A sad setback for democracy in S.A., but not the end of the collective dream of finding true justice.”
    What drama Reekie ! Screw Lula ! If you embrace the PT's style of democracy, that implies you defend what's going on in the wonderful Bolivarian state of VZ . You're just like the champagne socialists...you never put your money where your mouth is ; problem is, you don't have money.

    @TH, aka Brainless Liar
    In a proper functioning democracy Gen EVB would kick yr ass to kingdom come...commie !

    Going back to a recent post of yrs, in “Lula begins tour of S. Brazil”, wherever did I say I was American? ”Oops Houston”, we have another ‘mistake of fact’ floating around in space.
    But I ‘am’ a Canadian citizen…something you aren’t. You're just an unwelcome ‘implant’. So you “Liar”, 2 'mistakes of fact’.
    The fact I was born in BA implies what, other than I have the right to Argentine citizenship ? you’re the kind of idiot who believes that if a cat is born in an oven, it has to be a biscuit.

    When DT accused you of being “clearly racist and/or xenophobic”, because you called me a “hysterical Argentinian fascist”, what did you reply ? “in your opinion”…does that mean DT has the right to his opinion without the burden of proof ??
    Anyway, if you think that by calling me a “hysterical Argentinian fascist”, offends me, you pissed out the pot. Do you even know the meaning of fascism ? Don’t think you do..but it sounds nice to the lefties, who try to associate fascism with conservatism. You know Terry, you do a bloody good job of proving that you are an idiot, all by yourself, every single day.

    One thing is for sure, the only way to communicate with you, is to keep the conversation at the ‘latrine’ level, which is reinforced by the fact that you insist that all latrines in Brazil have a bin beside them to put poop paper. I’d say you claim to know an awful lot about them, which isn’t surprising, given you spent most of your miserable life around them.

    Apr 05th, 2018 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “In a proper functioning democracy Gen EVB would kick yr ass to kingdom come...commie !”
    What you really mean is if the military where running things. “So you Liar.” I’m neither a liar nor a commie, otherwise you would have prove I was. Whereas it’s a matter of public record that you in fact are proven liar. “…who try to associate fascism with conservatism” Theres no doubt as to what you are as your condemned out of your own mouth.
    JB “Your insistence that I'm a fascist”
    Brazil's corruption scandals reach Lula da Silva: ...
    12 Jack Bauer; “..'Military dictatorship', ..history is showing,.. that it was good for Brazil
    50 Jack Bauer; “Military taking over again, ….. they did it to prevent Brazil from being handed over to the communists. ... the Military , I hope, would be there again to save Brazil
    Brazil remembers the 50th anniversary of the coupe…
    “The only way to communicate with you, is to keep the conversation at the ‘latrine’ level”
    The only thing that conveys is the level that your intellect rises to, which parallel is to the gutter. Which probably is why you are so full of ‘piss and vinegar’

    Apr 05th, 2018 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    “if a cat is born in an oven, it has to be a biscuit.”

    LOL, I like it. But if you're a Canadian citizen then why d'you need a visa to visit the US?

    “You're just like the champagne socialists...problem is, you don't have money.”

    So just an ordinary socialist, then? ;) Do you consider yourself a socialist, EM?

    “does that mean DT has the right to his opinion without the burden of proof ??”

    Of course I have a right to my opinion, and other people have a right to disagree, but don't expect The Liar to recognise it.

    “it sounds nice to the lefties, who try to associate fascism with conservatism.”

    The right do the same with socialism, especially in the US. Any policy they dislike is 'OMG Socialism!!!11!' But evidently you don't think the military government was fascist, so what's the difference?

    Apr 05th, 2018 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “But don't expect The Liar to recognise it.” So you’re libelling me without evidence again. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, especially when I can prove they are a liar.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/03/30/facebook-ordered-to-scrap-fake-news-regarding-slain-brazilian-activist/comments#comment486251

    Apr 05th, 2018 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Pinocchio
    TH: “your bound by the doctrine of fairness”
    TH: “That is a fundamental basis of contract law.”
    DT: “I'm certainly not bound by any of those rules.”
    TH: “I never claimed you did or are.”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/03/20/lula-begins-tour-of-south-brazil-and-meets-mujica-but-it-was-a-bad-day-for-both-leaders/comments#comment486075

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    All wrapped up at the finish.
    “There’s no guessing games you’ve been caught, and revealed as to who and what you are, by the very rule you’ve abused. It just came back bit you, so squirm all want as you are revealed as an abased person.
    Heres an even older one, and completely fitting.” “You reap what you sow”
    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/03/30/facebook-ordered-to-scrap-fake-news-regarding-slain-brazilian-activist/comments#comment486257

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    JB:

    “If you embrace the PT's style of democracy, that implies you defend what's going on in the wonderful Bolivarian state of VZ .”

    Wow. I am impressed by the depth of your argument. Same as used in Argentina by the quick-borrow Macri government. Try something better next time.

    “You're just like the champagne socialists...you never put your money where your mouth is ; problem is, you don't have money.”

    Geee...that's Jack's best!

    So tell us, Jack. Have you put your money where your mouth is? What shape has this taken? A contribution to Sergio Moro's upcoming holidays? Or, have you contributed to buy hay for that general's horse?

    If you say I don't have money and for you that's a measure to value human beings, I hope you have lots of it. Unfortunately, you don't. But you dream of having it, and you ease up your envy by adulation of the wealthy--perhaps they'll spill some leftovers onto you.

    Sordid human being.

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @EM:
    REF: “No matter how many roses the mighty kill, they will never manage to stop spring”
    FUNNY! I thought so too!
    https://zh.rbsdirect.com.br/imagesrc/17949725.jpg?w=700

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @The Liar
    My quote speaks for itself. So does the fact you still won't admit your lies but prefer to libel me. There is no point debating with someone so delusional and dishonest.

    @EM & JB
    You're both blithely assuming things about the other and getting angry on the basis of them. But are they true? EM, what do you really think about VZ? Jack, what did you mean by your money comment?

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    If you read General's words, you'll know he's in Lula's favor. He is in favor of the Constitution.

    Because of the general there was no military coup in Brazil.

    In my poor opinion, Brazil is strengthening at that moment. The Brazilian people are being politicized!

    Great!

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “My quote speaks for itself” Yes your failure to meet your burden of proof is your undoing showing is proven liar after stating
    “We agree on the *definition* of the burden of proof, and we generally agree on who has it”
    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/03/30/facebook-ordered-to-scrap-fake-news-regarding-slain-brazilian-activist/comments#comment486194
    So you can claim black is white until cows come home. But I’m the one who’s proved how untrue your claim is, Mary, Mary quite contrary

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH, Brainless Liar
    “Can't even present a coherent argument”....Oops, where've I heard that before ??? doesn't matter, but you have the nasty habit of calling people Liars when they don't agree with you...and you present no evidence - other than useless quotes - to back your lies. Deny that you're a lying communist all you want ...you can't prove you aren't.

    Why don't you and yr buddy, Reekie, defend the ex-S.Korean president, Jacob Zuma and Pablo Kuchinsky, in the same way (as Lula) ? Is it perhaps because they're not commies ?
    You can “claim black is white until the cows come home”.

    And don't forget to explain to us what your definition of “fascism” is...it's OK to consult one of your dictionaries if you don't know.

    @EM
    “Wow. I am impressed by the depth of your argument.”...funny, it wasn't meant to be 'profound', but the fact you think it is, shows how little you understand of the reality here in Brazil...and in VZ.

    “Geee...that's Jack's best!”....tks , but I'll unfortunately have to explain the obvious to you : you 'sound' like the monied people who defend socialist measures, but keep their wonderful 'contribution' limited to their mouth...to look ''good in the photo'. The difference between you and them is that you are not rich (as per yr own admission, some time back, when your profile appeared on here).

    “If you say I don't have money and for you that's a measure to value human beings..”.
    Don't twist my words...one clear measure of a human being to me, is when someones lives lavishly and “only” preaches equality...you.

    @DT
    By my “money” comment, partially explained above, I'm referring to those who live well, in capitalistic countries (because of that), yet they preach utopian equailty for all, without effectively contributing anything, or trying to “make a difference”.

    Being also a Brazilian citizen, it's more convenient to leave/return torazil as a Brazilian. Thus the US visa. But I use my Canadian passport to enter Canada, from the US.

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    I only call those whom can prove are liars like you.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/04/04/brazil-s-conundrum-army-chief-twits-good-citizens-repudiate-impunity-and-respect-the-constitution/comments#comment486481
    Ta-dah
    “Deny that you're a lying communist all you want ...you can't prove you aren’t.”
    Meanwhile as well as proven liar you also engage in the following.
    Burden of proof is often abused in rhetoric and arguments.
    Shifting the burden
    Fallacious shifting of the burden of proof occurs if someone makes a claim that needs justification, then demands that the opponent justify the opposite of the claim. The opponent has no such burden until evidence is presented for the claim.
    h ttp://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    He did try to make a difference though, by standing for election to the local council. Isn't that putting his 'money' (ie time and effort) where his mouth is?

    @Brasileiro
    In Lula's favour? You must be dreaming.

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH the Brain-Less LIAR
    your reactions and lies are as predictable as Lula's...a lot of bravado with no substance....and the contuinual repetition of quotes and “burden of proof”...is that all you know how to write , you lying commie ?

    Still waiting for your defintion of “fascism” and why you implied I had at sometime claimed I was American...C'mon you liar, very simple to answer....unless of course, you can't.

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “You implied I had claimed I was American” I made no such implication.
    “You associate fascism with conservatism” I associate fascism with those whom have given nothing but support for the dictatorship and wished for its return. http://en.mercopress.com/2018/04/04/brazil-s-conundrum-army-chief-twits-good-citizens-repudiate-impunity-and-respect-the-constitution/comments#comment486481
    h ttp://en.mercopress.com/2018/04/05/supreme-court-rejects-lula-s-petition-must-start-prison-term/comments#comment486594

    Apr 06th, 2018 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    REF: “good citizens repudiate impunity and respect the Constitution”

    Yes. OF COURSE! Let's WAIT and [don't] SEE!:
    REF:
    http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/DODIA//tacho.jpg

    Apr 07th, 2018 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    - Amnesty International Brazil director Jurema Werneck said: “It is greatly disturbing that the Army Commander appears to be pressuring and threatening the Brazilian Supreme Court.” https://www.aljazeera.com/.../brazil-court-rejects-president-lula-bid-avoid-prison-1804..
    “United Nations Human Rights Committee in Geneva. It is expected to consider a petition this month claiming that Lula is being denied a fair trial and that Brazil is in breach of international human rights law of which it is a signatory. … ‘What we are seeing is lawfare, a conjunction of war and law which is the misuse and abuse of the law for political persecution’
    ‘Lula was convicted by Judge Sergio Moro in a lower court with no evidence of wrongdoing – indeed overwhelming evidence of his innocence was produced and then ignored,’ say the defence lawyers.
    h ttps://newint.org/features/web-exclusive/2018/01/01/lula-trial-lawfare

    Apr 07th, 2018 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @TH:

    Understood!

    Pl. check my notes here & elsewhere on Mercopress.!
    REF:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DakEqROX7kE/S0hvwvbbPaI/AAAAAAAAAog/rZd1BWCPpfI/s640/charge+ca%C3%A7a+corrupto+zope.jpg

    Apr 07th, 2018 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH, aka Brain-less & ''Memory-less' idiot.

    In the 5th post above, in reply to a recent question of mine (asking why you tried to imply 'I was NOT American [or Canadian]'), you state “I made no such implication”. Just curious, because I never claimed to be (American) ; but since you deny having said that, how about referring to your post of March 29th 09:56 pm (“Lula begins tour of South Brazil..”), where you wrote : “ ‘Numb nuts’ You’re not American or Canadian so it’s not part of your parlance. You’re just a hysterical Argentinian fascist”.
    Ring a bell ? Can you hear it through the layers of senility of your weak brain ?
    In your stupid opinion, are only Americans (or Canadians) supposed to be smart ?

    In the same post above, you quote part of another post of mine, where I wrote “You associate fascism with conservatism”.........and what do you reply ? Instead of something reasonable (too much to expect fm you), you state “I associate fascism with those whom have given nothing but support for the dictatorship and wished for its return”…So you have created your very own specific definition of fascism - which has nothing to do with its classical definition, and you appear to associate fascism to all dictatorships, specifically Brazil’s military regime (presumably because they didn't agree with communism ?) ; so then I ask you, what about the Stalinist dictatorship in the USSR ? Just because it was a communist one, which obviously combines with your sick mind, it was OK ?

    As to your darling Jurema Werneck's concern over the Army Commander's “pressure” on the STF, it was SUCH A THREAT, that all the judges voted according to their conscience. That's why the outcome was pretty predictable....but poor little Terry, you must have felt the 'imagined' pressure as well...did you shed a few tears ?

    And what d'you expect Lula's lawyer's to say ? they are being paid big money (stolen from PB) to defend what has no defence....bunch of idiots.

    Apr 09th, 2018 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @JB:

    REF: ”And what d'you expect Lula's lawyer's to say? they are being paid big money (stolen from PB) to defend what has no defense....bunch of idiots“:

    - The laws necessarily [make a guess - Who's ”necessity“ do you think?] are NOT just black or white but are [intentionally] GREY; with plenty of room for the [intentional] loopholes; giving ample opportunities 1:for the interpretations of the advocates & 2:for the crooks to escape.
    - THAT's what gives the advocates the opportunities to earn the daily braid [& champaigne].
    - Since their daily braid [& champaigne] depends on their knowledge; they keep themselves far better qualified AND far better equipped than the [politically afiliated] judges who earn the fattest possible salaries + benefits + privileges; to say ”yes sir” to their master/s.

    And that too NOT being enough;
    https://static.wixstatic.com/media/7a0c46_7f77dbbe5c4e44829e7449bb41eeeea7~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_437,h_316,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/7a0c46_7f77dbbe5c4e44829e7449bb41eeeea7~mv2.webp

    WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WOULD BE AN OUTCOME?

    Apr 09th, 2018 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    “Extrair propina”.....boa. Exactly what the Brazilian Congress is all about.

    Apr 09th, 2018 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    JB “wherever did I say I was American?” TH “I made no such implication”
    So what are you babbling about?
    Fascism and dictatorships are part a parcel of the package period
    When the head of Brazil’s Amnesty International raises such concerns it begs the question.
    “What d'you expect Lula's lawyer’s” When I independently form the same conclusion, it is only up to the UNHRC for confirmation.

    Apr 09th, 2018 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @TH:

    REF: Amnesty International & United Nations Human Rights Council

    As far as their Brazilan Branches/counterparts are concerned; they could/may be infiltrated by the crooks and their crooked advocates - JUDGING FROM their total disregard towards the misfortunes of the victims and from their EXTREME concern of the well being of the crooks. They speak more about the “Unfairly Treated Crooks” and THEIR rights; rather than the irreparable & irreversible damages caused to the victims and the rights of such victims.

    Apr 09th, 2018 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    They could/may be infiltrated by the crooks and their crooked advocates” In your desperate unsupported opinion.
    So what have you posted other than your unsupported diatribe .
    “The evidence against Mr. da Silva is far below the standards that would be taken seriously in, for example, the United States’ judicial system.” The New York Times, By Mark Weisbrot Jan. 23, 2018
    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens
    So as you have failed to meet your BoP kit is sufficient for me to say Nada, Nada BS.

    Apr 09th, 2018 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH, the forgetful LIAR
    “what am I babbling about” ?
    Take a look at your post of March 29th, at 9:56, under “Lula begins tour of South Brazil...”
    Are you so f'ing stupid that you can't even do that ? looks like it.

    “When the head of Brazil’s Amnesty International raises such concerns it begs the question...” maybe to you it 'begs'...numb nuts.....typical of all you stupid socialists, always playing the victim. The script is to confront, pretend to be hurt or offended, then play the victim.......the first rule in the socialist's manual....

    ”They could/may be infiltrated by the crooks and their crooked advocates” [posted by :o))]
    Terry's usual reply : “In your desperate unsupported opinion”.

    Idiotic Terry, please note that ”They could/may be infiltrated by the crooks and their crooked advocates” referring to Brazil's A.I. branch, was NOT posted by me (although I agree with it)......You don't even know whose post you are replying to, do you ?...what an idiot !!!
    Will I need to prove it ?

    I think I'll have to say the you have “Nada, nada but BS in your head”....soon you'll be competing with Dilma for the crown of stupidity and brain-lessness.

    Apr 10th, 2018 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “Typical of all you stupid socialists”
    Rather typical of fascists insisting that anyone who doesn’t share their disturbed vision must be some sort of ‘ist’
    Yes, its sometime difficult to tell the idiots apart. Since you like to frequently engage in name calling, as you’re unable to piece together a coherent argument.
    Since you enjoy North American parlance and tried to pass yourself off as Canadian I’ve got great one from Quebec for you, cocksuckure.

    Apr 10th, 2018 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH, aka the “LIAR”
    Still can't find your post of March 29th , 09:56 ??
    And no comments on “”They could/may be infiltrated by the crooks and their crooked advocates”, posted by ”:o))“, not me ??

    ”“Typical of all you stupid socialists”.....
    Exactly you commie.....when you lose the argument (and you're pretty good at it) your last resort is to change the subject or to attack the person's credibility.

    Since you accuse me of name calling, care to explain the meaning of your 'cocksuckure' ? Confess never heard of such a thing....sounds rather like a definition of yourself...you know, like 'Terry the cocksucker' or something similar.

    Anyway, I don't see any reason why I need to “prove” I'm Canadian, least of all to you, you 'implant'.

    Apr 11th, 2018 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “I don't see any reason why I need to “prove” I'm Canadian” Thats because you aren’t, therefore you can’t.
    “explain the meaning of your 'cocksuckure' It’s a mispronouncement of a popular North American English expression. It conveys the perfect rebuttal to ‘numb nuts’ focussing on the same biological area.
    “Exactly you commie.....when you lose the argument ..to attack the person's credibility.”
    You’ve got to be kidding , you don’t have shred credibility since I have proved time again you’re a consummate liar.
    “Look the King has no clothes” ha, ha, ha.

    Apr 11th, 2018 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @TH, aka Brainless LIAR
    And how do you suggest I PROVE I'm a Canadian citizen, short of sending you a photo of page 2 of my passport, or of my identity card (Certificate of Canadian Citizenship) ?
    Your stupidity never ceases to surprise me....not really.
    You ever thought that you are just an immigrant in Canada ? doesn't that piss you off ?

    Apr 11th, 2018 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “And how do you suggest I PROVE I'm a Canadian citizen” I don’t, that’s because you aren’t, therefore, you can’t.
    “You ever thought that you are just an immigrant in Canada ?” No because my parents, my self, and siblings are Canadian.

    Apr 11th, 2018 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    I can photoshop you a genuine* Canadian birth certificate if you like?

    *Genuineness not guaranteed.

    Or if you really want to prove it, just post a picture of the outside of your passport. It's not like every Tomás, Ricardo and Henrique have a Canadian passport lying around.

    PS. Why would being an immigrant piss him off? Does it piss you off that you're 'just' an immigrant in Brazil?

    Apr 11th, 2018 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    TH is soon going to say I need to prove I live in Brazil...then, that I exist...can he get any more ridiculous than that ? with an idiot of his calibre, there's no reasonable dialogue.

    As to my claim to Canadian citizenship, I couldn't care less if the “Liar” believes me or not, as it's not important to me that he does. But in the same way the “Liar” claims he and his family are, he tries to pass his word off, as proof.

    Anyway, I called him an 'immigrant' only to provoke him...being the haughty nut-case that he is, I was almost sure he'd come back claiming all sorts of UNprovable BS...which he predictably, did. Being a Canadian does not imply Canada is your place of birth, thus he's back to his ''immigrant” status.

    I'm quite proud to be an immigrant in Brazil (despite having been naturalized 35 years ago), specially nowadays, in view of the fact that there’s little to be proud of. I'm proud of my British origins and make no effort to hide it, which would be useless anyway given my facial features. On the other hand, it's sad, but many good Brazilians are now ashamed of this country. When Brazil was respected internationally, it was different.

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “I’m proud of my British origins and make no effort to hide it” Well you have no aspect of their cultural belief in fair-play. Such a belief seems to be decidedly an Argentinian trait. Considering themselves more European than other Latinos.
    “When Brazil was respected internationally, it was different” That was during Lula’s tenure.
    “I couldn't care less if the “Liar” believes me or not”
    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens“
    When Brazil was respected internationally, it was different” That was during Lula’s tenure.

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    “with an idiot of his calibre, there's no reasonable dialogue.”

    Agree 100%. I've never met anyone else so simulatiously ignorant, arrogant, and idiotic. Most people have some idea of their limitations.

    It's sad if Brazilians are really ashamed of their country, and ironically I think Brazil was most respected during Lula's presidency, when it was on an upward path and won hosting of the World Cup and Olympics. The recession and corruption scandal doesn't really help with that, unfortunately.

    As for Britain, I'm feeling more angry than proud right now. The Cabinet has just given May the go-ahead for strikes on Syria 'to deter further use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime'. Will they never learn? All our other interventions in the Middle East have been unmitigated disasters, and the Syrian Civil War was finally winding down after 7 years. Not to mention that Russia is involved, so there's always the chance of starting WWIII. Why the hell are we ruled by this bunch of clowns?

    Apr 12th, 2018 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “I’ve never met anyone else so simulatiously(sic) ignorant, arrogant, and idiotic”
    So for one who has engaged in sophistry and every unfair tactic imaginable. At the end, has always been bested. In fact that last time we had contact you had your foot firmly stuffed into mouth.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Hypocrite Hill
    ”It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people's grammar were just plain annoying. Now there's evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.“ illinois.edu/blog/view/25/76120
    “Grammar Pedantry Syndrome” is a form of OCD in which sufferers need to correct every grammatical error.” twitter.com/uberfacts/status/218151002707206145
    “A pedant is a person who is excessively concerned with formalism, accuracy, ... Asperger syndrome often have behaviour characterized by pedantic speech.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant

    PS. The only place you can 'best' anyone is inside your own deluded mind. I don't think you even understand that other people have their own minds, with their own knowledge, opinions and beliefs different to yours.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    Originality is not your strong point, stick to what you do best, imitating JB.
    “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”― Oscar Wilde
    “It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation” Herman Melville
    “Almost all absurdity of conduct arises from the imitation of those who we cannot resemble” Samuel Johnson
    “In everything truth surpasses the imitation and copy” Marcus Tullius Cicero

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Your hypocrisy is unbelievable. I spend my time posting my own thoughts and ideas, you spend all your time posting quotes from other people, and not even different quotes but the same ones over and over again. Deny that if you dare.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    Who went is it that around correcting other people's grammar, because I didn’t. But, then truth and originality are not your strong suits.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I see you didn't dare deny your own lack of originality, but tried to change the subject instead. Have you ever had an original thought?

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “Your own lack of originality” You don’t like the support I provide for my claims. Whereas, your opinions without evidence are meaningless.
    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    What I don't like are your lies and hypocrisy. All the things you accuse other people of are things you do yourself, and you are by far the biggest offender for most of them.

    And you do not give support for your claims, what you give are repetitive, often-irrelevant quotes that prove nothing because quotes alone do not make an argument. I know how to put an argument together, point out flaws in other people's evidence, and what those logical fallacies you like to quote really mean. You don't understand logic so you don't truly understand your own quotes; to you they are just magical phrases you can throw at your opponent and then declare you have won the argument.

    And that is all you do, really. Quote people who are vastly more intelligent than you, lose the argument and then declare you have won, and insult everyone else because you're not civilised enough to be polite.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “What I don't like are your lies and hypocrisy…you do not give support for your claims”
    What you don’t like is when you are taken to task over your pontifications and asked to meet your BoP.
    Like now you have made claims, but cannot substantiate them. Therefore, “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens. In other words BS as you don’t know how to make an argument. Argumentation theory. “ Establishing the “burden of proof” – determining who made the initial claim and is thus responsible for providing evidence why his/her position merits acceptance.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentation_theory

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I managed to have a perfectly sensible argument with Roger Lorton in a different thread, with no irrelevant quotes or whining about the burden of proof. That's because RL actually knows what he's talking about, even though he was wrong about the article in question.

    You, on the other hand, would lose a debate with a tub of lard.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    Well bully for you, give yourself a little pat on back, but it doesn’t change the reality one iota.
    Argumentation theory. “ Establishing the “burden of proof” – determining who made the initial claim and is thus responsible for providing evidence why his/her position merits acceptance.” Still takes precedent over the delusional YHO.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    No, and the reality is that you can repeat that quote till the cows come home, but you're either too stupid or too dishonest to admit it the times when it clearly proves YOU have the burden of proof. You even refused to repeat it - your very favourite quote - when you were claiming *I* had to prove you didn't have a wife; evidence enough that you knew you were lying.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    DT “I’ve never met anyone else so simulatiously(sic) ignorant, arrogant, and idiotic”
    Is where this present exchange started. I’m simply the respondent, so there is no onus on me until you as the claimant meet your BoP.
    “When it clearly proves YOU have the burden of proof” What you are attempting is:
    “Fallacious shifting of the burden of proof. It occurs if someone makes a claim that needs justification, then demands that the opponent justify the opposite of the claim. The opponent has no such burden until evidence is presented for the claim.”
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
    So wheres the evidence liar?

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Please learn to read. I said “THE TIMES when it clearly proves you have the burden of proof.” Not right now, but other times. I even gave an example: when you said you had a wife, and then insisted it was my burden to prove you didn't. As textbook an example of shifting the burden of proof as anyone can ask for.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @T Lula H
    LULA LIAR :“Well you have no aspect of their cultural belief in fair-play. Such a belief seems to be decidedly an Argentinian trait. Considering themselves more European than other Latinos”

    Your unsubstantiated opinion....next please...

    JB :“When Brazil was respected internationally, it was different” ;
    LULALIAR :”That was during Lula’s tenure“

    That was during FHC's presidency, and Lula's FIRST ...only.....before it surfaced that he was a crook, involved in the ”Mensalão”, and the shit hit the fan...next please...

    JB : “I couldn't care less if the “Liar” believes me or not”
    LULALIAR : “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens“.....the LIAR asserts he's Canadian. No evidence. Can be dismissed. Christopher Hitchens.

    I really COULDN'T care less, as to me, you are totally irrelevant, a stinking cockroach.


    @DT
    LULALIAR sounds like a silly kid, that realizing he has nothing intelligent to say, decides he'll win the argument by repeating whatever the other kid says...
    Fact is, he can't prove even one thing he has ever claimed...and which he expects everyone else to believe, just because he, the LIAR, says so. He can't even prove he's Canadian, which to him seems more of a big deal than to me. It's so easy to ruffle his feathers.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    Such a belief seems to be decidedly an Argentinian trait
    “Your unsubstantiated opinion….” No it is unaccepted fact that has been commented on frequently, ergo.
    “Argentines have long taken pride in their arrogance, perhaps as a way of covering over their own insecurities about their real identity. They flaunt their European ancestry and culture to their Latin American peers,”
    https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/24/weekinreview/the-world-formerly-arrogant-utterly-argentine.html
    Which is confirmation if you can’t refute some you can’t refute any.

    Apr 13th, 2018 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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