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Brazilian election: a divided congress but with a powerful decisive “Bullets, Beef and Bible” caucus
All eyes are set on Sunday October 7 presidential election, but Brazilians will also be electing, 27 governors, 54 senators and 513 legislators, and Congress wields considerable power and since 2016 has decided the fate of two presidents: to impeach Dilma Rousseff for juggling with budget numbers and to shield Michel Temer from corruption charges. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesREF: “In 1988, three years after a military dictatorship ended, a well-known chimpanzee named Tiao at Rio de Janeiro zoo received 400,000 votes, finishing third place for mayor”:
Oct 06th, 2018 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why not repeat the performance?
https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/General-votando-no-Bolsonaro.jpg?w=650&ssl=1
The Brazilian public must vote for Bolsonaro and the “Bullet Caucus” if they wish to achieve social justice as Terrence Hill valiantly argues clearly for.
Oct 06th, 2018 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bolsonaro, a former army captain, says he would include generals in his cabinet and encourage police to shoot criminals dead if they are fired at. He has taken an early lead with widespread support for his tough anti-crime and anti-graft stances and has a clean record among an electorate fed up with political corruption.
As Terrence's suggested motto needs to be HOPE AND CHANGE which is a remarkable intellectual idea. ¡Viva Brazil!
Brazil is currently on the correct path to vote for the right, not the idiotic Socialist-Communist left.
“The presidential race is on a knife edge. And even if Mr Bolsonaro wins, there are big question marks about whether he would be willing or able to push through market-friendly reforms,” said Capital Economics.“
Oct 06th, 2018 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -1https://www. ft.com/content/d436a926-c827-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9
”Mr. Bolsonaro has reacted with exasperation when interviewers have pressed him for details on how he would handle the economy, which is only now emerging from the recession.“
“I’m an artillery captain,” he barked during a recent televised interview on the Globo News network. “Why would I talk about the economy?”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/world/americas/brazil-presidential-race-bolsonaro.html
”Jair Bolsonaro is the monstrous product of the country’s silence about the crimes committed by its former dictatorship“
https://www. theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/06/homophobic-mismogynist-racist-brazil-jair-bolsonaro
”In Brazil, the mostly white upper-middle class has felt threatened by the rise of a largely black lower-middle class whose income shot up faster than that of the wealthiest segment of society during more than a decade of leftist Workers’ Party rule starting in 2003.“
https://www. washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/just-like-trump-bolsonaro-leads-brazils-presidential-race-with-right-wing-populist-pitch/2018/10/04/c4ba3728-c65c-11e8-9c0f-2ffaf6d422aa_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9aac9bfe8744
”Jair Bolsonaro is not far-right. It's worse”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/world/americas/brazil-presidential-race-bolsonaro.html
Following the wise observations of Terrence Hill, “The presidential race is on a knife edge and when Mr Bolsonaro wins, there is great optimism he will push through market-friendly reforms,”
Oct 06th, 2018 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terrence also links us to a number of thoughtful articles encouraging us to be optimistic about the former army captain plans who has encouraged his disenfranchised countrymen that he'll bring back law and order to a broken corrupt system that was systematic under the Marxist-Leninist PT government.
This will include generals in his cabinet and encourage police to shoot criminals dead if they are fired at. As mentioned earlier by Terrence is that Bolsonaro has widespread support for his tough anti-crime and anti-graft stances. This with a clean record among an electorate fed up with political corruption makes him the moral correct choice for Brazil
I completely agree with Terrence that Brazilian public need to vote for Bolsonaro and the “Bullet Caucus” if they wish to achieve social justice. HOPE AND CHANGE!
.... ¡Viva Brazil! ...
“when Mr Bolsonaro wins, ... he will push through ...” There's no he, as he is just a puppet without an original idea. Nor independence, as he will produce exactly what his financial backers demand
Oct 06th, 2018 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“For decades, the generation of leaders that oversaw the transition from military dictatorship dominated Brazilian politics. But the establishment of democracy was not about sweeping aside the corrupt institutional landscape that had been created by the dictatorship. Rather, it was an exercise in reconciling popular demand for political openness while upholding the benefits of vested interest groups that had flourished under military rule. ...”
https://www. foreignaffairs.com/articles/brazil/2018-10-01/decline-and-fall-brazils-political-establishment
“Since the Pinochet-praising former paratrooper entered politics three decades ago, he has repeatedly called for a return to the kind of military rule Brazil endured until 1985. “I am in favour of a dictatorship,” he boasted during the first of seven terms as a congressman.”
Terrence Hill carefully illuminates with solid documentation that the “Pinochet-praising former paratrooper” Bolsonaro and the “Bullet Caucus” will achieve social justice: https://www.9marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-9/mswv9_01.htm which intelligently explains that the best path for the Brazilian public to embrace a militant philosophy that sometimes requires the tool of forceful change when so called neo-Marxists fail the proletariat's right for harmony and economic success.
Oct 06th, 2018 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terrence carefully reminds us with the esteemed Freedom Road Socialist Organization, Lula's Partido dos Trabalhadores, PT was a tragic mistake that resulted in the wholesale corruption and crime that Brazil is currently suffering and morally convinces us to embrace radical change when corrupt criminal societies need a responsible leader like Bolsonaro who understands the tool of force.
The Brazilian public needs to enthusiastically embrace a militant philosophy that sometimes requires the tool of forceful change when so called neo-Marxists fail the proletariat's right for harmony and economic success.
HOPE AND CHANGE....... ¡Viva Brazil!
Your one link doesn't work and the other one that's missing is yourself. Regardless, it's almost a certainty that it has no relevance to the matter at hand. A quote from the Bible, how does a book of mostly fiction pertain to the facts presented?
Oct 06th, 2018 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That the utterances of Bolsonaro are largely criminal.
”Bolsonaro gave in his way to Brazilian Congress (painful thing is that he was elected over and over again never presenting any project or doing any actual work for the population.)”
http://www.brasilwire.com/bolsonaro-terrorist-by-definition/
The Brazilian public must vote for Bolsonaro and the “Bullet Caucus” if they wish to achieve social justice. I wholeheartedly agree with Terrence Hill's Marxist-Socialist radical values that supports the former army captain, who will include generals in his cabinet and encourage police to shoot criminals dead if they are fired at. Communists have always promoted peace, prosperity and harmony, which represents Terrence's beliefs.
Oct 06th, 2018 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.” Ezekiel 25:17
(per Samuel L. Jackson ... and yes I know the whole story ... Terrence Hill probably never saw “Pulp Fiction”)
¡Viva Brazil!
“the former army captain, who will fight for justice” As an armed person who was robbed of his hand-gun doesn't seem a very likely scenario.
Oct 06th, 2018 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...he had a super duper ultra expensive heavy calibre hand-gun. Which he resplendently wore, holstered on his waist. So while in Rio some armed robber got the drop on him and promptly relieved him of it.”
“he was elected over and over again never presenting any project or doing any actual work for the population.”
http://www. brasilwire.com/bolsonaro-terrorist-by-definition/
“Since the Pinochet-praising former paratrooper entered politics three decades ago, he has repeatedly called for a return to the kind of military rule Brazil endured until 1985. “I am in favour of a dictatorship,” he boasted during the first of seven terms as a congressman.”
https://www. theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-presidential-candidate-trump-parallels
Well that's something you both have in common.
God bless Terrence Hill. As a Socialist-Marxist he excels in defending the Stalinist ideology of barking up the wrong tree. His favorite website: https://marxistleninist.wordpress.com
Oct 07th, 2018 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0A sincere message specifically for Terrence: “The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.” Ezekiel 25:17 per Samuel L. Jackson
¡Viva Brazil!
“he excels in defending the Stalinist ideology” Only problem is you cannot provide any instance, and thus fail to meet your burden of proof. Thus, revealing yourself as a liar, like the 'emperor with no clothes'. Get out of the draft you'll catch a cold. Give it up, as you're unable to even refute any of my posts, so they stand as true.
Oct 07th, 2018 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're reduced to quotes from a book of fiction as you don't have a clue.
Brazil has MANY years of experience to vote for the RIGHT candidate:
Oct 07th, 2018 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Socorro-Brasil.jpg?resize=768%2C590&ssl=1
TH
Oct 07th, 2018 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By your sick rhetoric am I to understand you don't like Bolsonaro ? Just because he is the anti-PT candidate ?
But what makes you think you are qualified to give your opinion - I see that 'now' you have one - if you don't live here, don't speak the language and get all your biased information from leftist sites, like “averdadedelula” ?
You accuse Bolsonaro of being a 'puppet' ??? Really ? who's ? and what is Haddad ? what was Dilma ? other than the convicts puppets ? Boy, you are a sensitive little thing, aren't you Terrykins?
@ Chicureo
keep it up...Terry is becoming more and more frustrated....and nasty....he can't take criticism, nor accept praise, gracefully.
JB
Oct 08th, 2018 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“am I to understand you don't like...” political authoritarian extremists of any political stripe. So as Bolsonaro is an admitted fascist it is difficult to find anything redeeming about him in the public domain. In particular, his commanding officer described him as a man of “... lacking logic, rationality and balance..” He appears to share the same views that you have expressed. When I provide information on him I don't post primarily for other posters. I remit for others that have come to read and gain some insight on the subject.
Those who could not enter by the “front gate”; would enter - definitely - from the back-door:
Oct 08th, 2018 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/10-pack-lies-buying-votes-brazils-poor-181003104853408.html
Jack Bauer
Oct 08th, 2018 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations on the first round of victory for a candidate that certainly has inspired your countrymen to embrace effective social and economic change.
¡Viva Brazil!
JB
Oct 08th, 2018 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You accuse Bolsonaro of being a 'puppet' who's ?” I had already provided an answer from an authoritative source.
“For decades, the generation of leaders that oversaw the transition from military dictatorship dominated Brazilian politics. But the establishment of democracy was not about sweeping aside the corrupt institutional landscape that had been created by the dictatorship. Rather, it was an exercise in reconciling popular demand for political openness WHILE UPHOLDING THE BENEFITS OF VESTED INTEREST GROUPS THAT HAD FLOURISHED UNDER MILITARY RULE. ...”
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/brazil/2018-10-01/decline-and-fall-brazils-political-establishment
Bolsonaro will win!!! Thanks to the support of especially the socialists supporting him on this thread! I celebrate and heartily especially congratulate comrade Socialist-Marxist Terrence Hill in vigorously supporting the pure Communist dreams and determination in rejecting the neo-Stalinist criminal Lula puppet who will be easily defeated by our glorious peace loving and socially progressive candidate of justice. Victory will be Terrence's burden of proof giving the complete conviction of his unselfish work.
Oct 08th, 2018 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To quote the great chairman Mao, “Votes backed with force will be a powerful as AK-47 rifles in the hands of the oppressed workers.”
... ¡Viva Comrade Terrence Hill! ...
TH
Oct 08th, 2018 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“By your sick rhetoric am I to understand you don't like Bolsonaro ?” Terrykins, you are so thick you failed to realize that understatement was just to ruffle your feathers....you ARE an idiot.
Sorry to learn you have a 'thing' against fascists....does it have anything to do with what happened to you as a kid ?
The only thing you know that Bolsonaro and I have in common is that we both hate the PT and all it did to Brazil, and what it represents (Bolivarianism)...looks like me and another 67 million, so far....
You claim you try to give 'insight to others'......really ? all you do is support the left, tell the same lies and try to influence idiots, like yourself...
When I asked you to tell me whose puppet Bolsonaro is, you sidestepped the issue.....because you know he isn't anyone's puppet.....but what about Haddad ? he can't even fart without asking for Lula's permission.....first thing he did this morning, after breakfast, was to catch a plane down to Curitiba, to weep on Lula's shoulder and ask him for advice on the runoff ...sounds like a real independent person, just like Dilma, doesn't he Terrykins ?
After seeing him as Minister of Education, under Dilma, and as mayor of São Paulo, let there be no mistake - he is as incomptent as Lula and Dilma were. Being a populist and Lula's puppet does not make him good...
Terrykins, admit you have no idea what you are talking about....spare us all your bullsh*t.
@Chicureo
Brazil is united against the f'g 'petistas'....
Jack Bauer
Oct 08th, 2018 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you know, I lived through the nightmare years of 1969 through 1973 when we had a “Socialist-Marxist paradise” here in Chile. Idiotic Communist idealistic parrots like Terrence and Enrique both deserve a special place in hell. Brazil election results certainly have them upset.
My best regards,
JB
Oct 08th, 2018 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You accuse Bolsonaro of being a 'puppet' who's ?” I had already provided an answer from an authoritative source.
“For decades, the generation of leaders that oversaw the transition from military dictatorship dominated Brazilian politics. But the establishment of democracy was not about sweeping aside the corrupt institutional landscape that had been created by the dictatorship. Rather, it was an exercise in reconciling popular demand for political openness WHILE UPHOLDING THE BENEFITS OF VESTED INTEREST GROUPS THAT HAD FLOURISHED UNDER MILITARY RULE. ...”
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/brazil/2018-10-01/decline-and-fall-brazils-political-establishment
Comrades Terrence Hill and Enrique Massot strongly support the proletarian will of the majority voting for the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle for democracy, as they learned from their idols: Karl Marx and Frederick Engels “The Communist Manifesto (”originally published in 1848)
Oct 08th, 2018 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comrade Terence Hill encourages the Brazilian voter to elect Bolsonaro to stop very cannibalism of the counterrevolution by the ruthless and evil Partido dos Trabalhadores, PT and will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror. Brazil is ready for change, justice, equality and prosperity under the progressive presidency of Bolsonaro.
¡Viva la revolución!
@TH
Oct 08th, 2018 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I had already provided an answer from an authoritative source”.....by any chance is Daniela Abade your “authoritative source” ?? an obscure writer of shitty novels and a frustrated champagne socialist....a “Lula lover”.....if so, in line with your poor judgement, and no surprise you are so easily impressed with such an idiotic figure, and are actually stupid enough to call her an “authoritative source”. Am disappointed with you....as if that were possible...
Re “WHILE UPHOLDING THE BENEFITS OF VESTED INTEREST GROUPS THAT HAD FLOURISHED UNDER MILITARY RULE.”.....
And what did Lula do in 2003 ? when he realized his ignorant, revolutionary rhetoric had caused concern amongst the business elite, he got one of his cronies to write an open letter to the country (because his writing skills were, and still are, very limited), trying to appease everyone, by telling them what a good boy he would be, then proceeded to get into bed with them....he was “their” puppet, but he liked the role as they let him steal as well.
Today, in his 200 sq ft cell, he actually believes he is one of the greatest Statesmen of all time.....deluded and idiotic, like you.
A fact about Bolsonaro, which obviously you don't know, or choose to ignore : he, along with Amoedo, were the only candidates that did not form coalitions with dozens of other parties, therefore, IF elected, he will not have to sell his soul to Congress....
And you believe Haddad does not take orders from Lula ? I suppose he goes to Curitiba once or twice a week, only to take some fresh flies for the toad to eat...
“só voce mesmo seu idiota ! ”
@Chicureo
Can imagine what the Allende years were like. What we we heard of him was all bad. His 'removal' was poetic justice....
Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
Oct 08th, 2018 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Babble on little brook just keep opining your fascist dribble, because in all your many posts there's not that you can hold up as a proven fact.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens
JB
“whose puppet Bolsonaro is, you sidestepped the issue.” No I did not I gave the expert opinion of a US site, The Council on Foreign Affairs this month.
“WHILE UPHOLDING THE BENEFITS OF VESTED INTEREST GROUPS THAT HAD FLOURISHED UNDER MILITARY RULE.” or do you believe their talking about the PT?
http://en.mercopress.com/2018/10/06/brazilian-election-a-divided-congress-but-with-a-powerful-decisive-bullets-beef-and-bible-caucus/comments#comment493124
“His 'removal' was poetic justice....” Thanks for further confirmation that are complete and utter fascist.
Jack Bauer
Oct 08th, 2018 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The kleptomaniac Marxists criminals ran Chile into bankruptcy. Fidel Castro spent a month visiting here celebrating the destruction of my country. Something very similar to what has happened to Venezuela!
Note the last paragraph of the earlier article cited by Tovarich Terrence Hill:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/brazil/2018-10-01/decline-and-fall-brazils-political-establishment
“But this crisis also represents an opportunity for reformers to promote a positive agenda, based on strengthening democratic institutions and promoting accountability. Brazilians are ready to move on from the perverse political practices of the past. With the right reforms, Brazil’s democracy could take a different path, delivering much-needed public goods and a route back to economic growth. Real change will come from outside the political establishment. Advocates for reform should seize the moment.”
Our little idiotic Socialist-Marxist parrot provides us with why President Bolsonaro is the right poetic solution desperately needed by his nation.
¡Saludos!
@TH
Oct 08th, 2018 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, your link on the article by Eduardo Mello.
You think that Bolsonaro is a puppet...and I ask again, for whom ?? Mello's article says Bolsonaro is an outsider, an anti-establishment candidate... so whom, in your 'opinion', is controlling him ?
Mello calls the Brazilian political system, dysfunctional....can't say I disagree with him, but since when has it been dysfunctional ? only since Dilma was impeached in 2016 ? is that your take on it ?...as if Mello is not referring to ALL Brazilian governments (civilian) since 1985 ? and this period, 1985 to present day, in case you've forgotten, included 14 'glorious' years of the PT...
Re Mello's below paragraph :
“Permissive regulations allowed incumbents to use the powers of office to raise money in corruption schemes and use the funds in lavish political campaigns and vote-buying. For decades, lax corruption regulation and permissive campaign finance rules allowed them to do so with impunity, making deals with private companies to award lucrative government contracts in exchange for campaign resources”..
I presume you believe that.....and he describes the PT exactly, far more than any other post-military government....while allowing the 'traditional' corruption to carry-on, the PT created the first really ambitious crime organization in the Federal government in Brazilian history....the 'mensalão', the PB scandal, the BNDES scandal are the proof that the PT took corruption to unprecedented levels, and they are just the beginning.
So OK, I think we agree that since 1985, governments have “upheld the benefits of the vested interest groups that flourished under - AND AFTER - military rule”, which as I said above, include the PT, Lula, Dilma. So what's your point ? to try to show us the obvious ?
And, if Bolsonaro is anti-establishment, how can he be the continuation of the sh*t we've been seeing for the last 20 years ? For once, try replying in your OWN words...if not too difficult for you.
Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
Oct 09th, 2018 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“based on strengthening democratic institutions and promoting accountability...provides us with why President Bolsonaro is the right poetic solution”
How so in view his expressed opinion? “Since the Pinochet-praising former paratrooper entered politics three decades ago, he has repeatedly called for a return to the kind of military rule Brazil endured until 1985. “I am in favour of a dictatorship,” he boasted during the first of seven terms as a congressman.” “he was elected over and over again never presenting any project or doing any actual work for the population.” “ But the establishment of democracy was not about sweeping aside the corrupt institutional landscape that had been created by the dictatorship.” “... lacking logic, rationality and balance..”
So we can expect his first act will be to murder 30,000 including former President Cardoso as he has declared.
JB
“says Bolsonaro is an outsider, an anti-establishment candidate” He is in the public perception, but he is not without investors since he certainly doesn't have resources to carry the burden alone. So he going to have to the pay the piper, presumably sectors of the establishment. “when has it been dysfunctiona?” Mello states clearly that it was flawed from its onset, post dictatorship “But the establishment of democracy was not about sweeping aside the corrupt institutional landscape that had been created by the dictatorship.”
Due to lack of justice, there was a total of 56,101 murders in Brazil in 2017. Bolsonaro will directly and aggressively address that problem, so if his police has to shoot dead criminals no one will really care. .“To make an omelette, you have to break some eggs” as chairman Mao was fond of saying...
Oct 09th, 2018 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile Lula rots in prison...
Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
Oct 09th, 2018 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Bolsonaro will directly and aggressively address that problem,”
So we can expect his first act will be to murder 30,000 people including former President Cardoso as he has declared.
Perhaps you could reserve a vacation to Brazil next year...
Oct 09th, 2018 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0...make sure you let us know your flight and time of arrival to arrange someone to greet you personally...
Chicureo aka “the fascista hustler”
Oct 09th, 2018 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“you let us know” Who's us? you're just some nobody fascist bozo from Chile.
Queuing at the Back-Door:
Oct 09th, 2018 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://i0.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Acabou-o-Foro-Privilegiado.jpg?resize=768%2C568&ssl=1
TH
Oct 09th, 2018 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“says Bolsonaro is an outsider, an anti-establishment candidate”. He is in the public perception, but he is not without investors since he certainly doesn't have resources to carry the burden alone“.
Of course he is the public perception....how could he not be ? What resources are you referring to ? Bolsonaro has no one but his party backing him....but I'm sure that ”IF“ he wins, there'll be queue of business owners at his door, trying to convince him that they are his friends.
”when has it been dysfunctional“? Mello states clearly that it was flawed from its onset, post dictatorship “
That's basically what I said above....'flawed from its onset, post-dictatorship'....when the civilians returned to power in 85 they carried on from where they'd left off in 1964....Under the military, certain business groups were favoured - Globo for one - as they needed friends in the right places.....am not going to claim there was no corruption under the military, or even amongst the military...but it was reduced during the military regime. No military presidents left the ”Palacio do Planalto“, rich men. When the military handed back power to the civilians, one of the Generals predicted that it would just be a matter of time before all the shit returned...he was right . In 1985 the politicians returned to their old antics, and that includes ALL governments, including the 14 PT years, until present day .
”But the establishment of democracy was not about sweeping aside the corrupt institutional landscape that had been created by the dictatorship“.....
”created“ by the ”dictatorship” ? that is not true.......the civilians were ALWAYS corrupt, but were more or less kept in line during the military regime...you try to make it sound as if 'before' the military, there civilians were models of honesty....if you lived here at the time, you'd know that's bs...the biggest joke of the last century.
Finally, you gave an opinion....more or less...
JB
Oct 09th, 2018 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What resources are you referring to ?” Capital, what else could it possibly be?
“sweeping aside the corrupt institutional landscape that had been created by the dictatorship...that is not true..” Well the author is an expert and you're not, therefor, his opinion trumps yours. “EDUARDO MELLO is an Assistant Professor of Politics and International Relations at Fundação Getulio Vargas, Brazil.”
“Finally, you gave an opinion..” Based my research of the issue.
TH
Oct 09th, 2018 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, ‘capital’, that's what I thought. But pls detail it : is it what he needs to get elected, or that (if he wins) big business will try to get close to him ‘n corrupt him ?
Note: I did not disqualify Mello’s opinion....just trying to sort out what he really means :
“…the establishment of democracy was not about sweeping aside the corrupt institutional landscape tt had been created by the dictatorship.” :-
I disagree that “the corrupt institutional landscape was created by the dictatorship”, or, the implication that Brazilian politics, pre-1964, were clean. Anyone knows it wasn’t.
Ever heard of Adhemar de Barros, ex-Gov ‘n Mayor of SP ? famous for “Rouba, mas faz”?
When Mello states ”..country’s traditional centrist establishment tt has ruled since the transition from military dictatorship in the 1980s is in decline“, he refers to a “centrist establishment” composed by politicians, many of which were in power pre-64, and confirmed by “For decades, the generation of leaders tt oversaw the transition fm military dictatorship dominated Brazilian politics”.
Referring to Bolsonaro, he says “with the right reforms, country could build a more transparent political system tt would deliver effective governance” but “that”, you conveniently omit.
By “upholding benefits of vested interest groups that flourished under military rule”, he refers to the political groups which “survived” during the military regime…by playing along.
Re ‘post-dictatorship’ (85), includes ALL fed govts, including the PT's :- “Presidents in Brazil control the govt machine tt makes corrupt deals possible, ‘n for decades have used them to manipulate Congress by strategically distributing opportunities for corruption to gain political support” and “…arrangement had been stable for decades, but cracks began to appear with Operation Car Wash”.
”..without meaningful reform of the political system” (‘n others) says it all. I agree 99% with his assessment, so what’s your point ?
JB
Oct 10th, 2018 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0so what’s your point ?
“he is not without investors...So he going to have to the pay the piper”
“without meaningful reform of the political system” This is from a man who cannot pronounce corrupção correctly, he pronounces it as corrupição. Let alone attempt successfully anything more complex.
TH
Oct 10th, 2018 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“he is not without investors...So he going to have to the pay the piper” ...is that your point ? That's all very nice, but you still haven't clarified who these “investors” are supposed to be ...I'm waiting, or is it a State-secret ?
Anyway, unless you are privy to the inside of his campaign, that is just your wishful speculation.....d'you think I only accompanied Alckmin's campaign ? Much against my will, I also listened to Haddad's shit, and it's public knowledge that they have spent millions, in taxpayer funds. Only Amoedo and Bolsonaro haven't.
As to the incorrect pronunciation of words like “corrupção” etc, which is a common flaw amongst Brazilians - even quite a few, supposedly educated journalists - sure, it's wrong. But that does not seem to bother you when it comes out of Lula's piehole, does it ?...not to mention that his diction is so shitty, it sounds like he's speaking through his arse...how about the “triprekis” ?
(For what it's worth, Bolsonaro actually graduated from the Agulhas Negras Military Academy, and Lula ? didn't even finish secondary schooling, reason why he reads and writes like a 6 yr old....)
JB
Oct 10th, 2018 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you still haven't clarified who these “investors” are supposed to be”
All ready asked and answered, so once more.
“ presumably sectors of the establishment.”
“just your wishful speculation...” ditto. You think his campaign didn't cost anything?
“is attracting support across Brazil's farm belt, where …may secure the funding needed for his bid to run Latin America's biggest country. ...his opposition to environmental protections and native land claims are resonating with wealthy landowners in Brazilian farm country. ...In the midwestern farm …Bolsonaro's lead grows to a commanding 10 percentage points, according to pollster Datafolha. While …are less populous than coastal regions, they are home to powerful landowners flush with cash from recent bumper crops, whose political donations may be key to building a nationwide campaign for Bolsonaro. ...Bolsonaro's criticism of environmental licensing rules and state interference in the economy also ”are music to farmers' ears,“ said Endrigo Dalcin, former president of Mato Grosso grain farmers group Aprosoja. ...Ever since Brazil banned corporate donations to political campaigns, candidates have targeted wealthy farmers for financing and Bolsonaro's bid will rely on rural ”
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/brazil-s-wealthy-farm-belt-backs-trump-like-presidential-candidate-10245024
”Ernesto Geisel, the general who presided over Brazil’s dictatorship from 1974 to 1979 —…published in 1997 by the Getulio Vargas Foundation (FGV) academic institution — called Mr Bolsonaro a “bad military man”. ...“His supporters appear willing to ignore his many contradictions, such as how he once praised the leftist Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, and voted for Brazil’s left wing former president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in 2002.”
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/brazil-s-wealthy-farm-belt-backs-trump-like-presidential-candidate-10245024. com/content/d7df60cc-b7c4-11e8-bbc3-ccd7de085ffe
TH
Oct 10th, 2018 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ presumably sectors of the establishment” ? too vague to take seriously, ‘n ”presumably“ ? sounds like you’re speculating again, without facts. You’ve had several opportunities to name his specific investors, but you can't. So, instead of giving your unfounded opinion, why don’t you admit you don't know.
Neither Amoedo, nor Bolsonaro used funds fm the ”Fundo Partidário“....they used donations from private individuals, not taxpayer money.
”...attracting support across Brazil's farm belt, where …may secure the funding needed...“. As I was saying, NOT from the ”Fundo Partidário” (but donations by private individuals, some of which are wealthy farmers).
“Ever since Brazil banned corporate donations to political campaigns, candidates have targeted wealthy farmers for financing “…. “candidateS (Note: in the ‘plural’) have targeted wealthy farmers for financing”. So why can’t the landowners support Bolsonaro, in the same way other groups (probably) support Haddad (or don’t any) ?
In yr opinion should only Haddad be allowed to receive support fm the various segments of the economy ?
According to you, 21 years ago FGV published Ernest Geisel, calling Bolsonaro a “bad military man”.....while that was only Geisel's personal ‘opinion’, I’m surprised you’d resort to the opinion of a military president to ‘try’ to attack him. Thought you hated the military regime ‘n all it represented.…
...and just fyi, it was Geisel who also said :”Se é a vontade do povo brasileiro eu promoverei a Abertura Política no Brasil. Mas chegará um tempo que o povo sentirá saudade do Regime Militar. Pois muitos desses que lideram o fim do Regime não estão visando o bem do povo, mas sim seus próprios interesses”...he hit the nail on the head.
You still haven’t shown whose puppet Bolsonaro is supposed to be, and continue to ignore that Haddad is Lula’s…as was Dilma.
You know, it’s still not clear what your point is, other than to attack everyone who is ‘anti-petista’.
JB
Oct 10th, 2018 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“too vague to take seriously”
”..will be the powerful farm lobby that endorsed his candidacy this week. The Parliamentary Agricultural Front (FPA) holds more than a third of the lower house and a quarter of Senate seats.“
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/brazil-s-next-president-to-struggle-for-base-in-congress-10793572
”In yr opinion“ Don't try and drag the thread of topic, the issue is his financing. Again he will be beholden to those interests that finance him. Especially the opportunity to receive stolen indigenous land.
”I’m surprised you’d resort to the opinion of a..“ All I can use is what is on the record.
”His commanding officer described him as a man “... lacking logic, rationality and balance...”
TH
Oct 10th, 2018 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know damned well the issue is financing....reason why I insisted you name who...
What YOU don't understand, is that, the fact he is being partially financed (again, by private donors, not with mine and other taxpayers' money, like Haddad...so far R$ 30 million...what they admit to), by the “powerful farm lobby”, which has endorsed him, does not mean (if elected) he will be their 'slave', any more than Haddad would be, of other groups who might (be stupid enough to) endorse him...and which, by the look of it, are getting less by the day.
Regaring the stealing of indigenous land, if that is so important to you, take a look at the country you live in (Canada ?)....do the names Mohawk, Blackfoot, Sioux, Iroquois, and dozens of others, ring a bell in your empty head ?
Here, indigenous tribes (estimated at 896,000 people) are sitting on humongous tracts of land, totalling well over 1.1 million sq kms.
“All I can use is what is on the record”....I can see that, but how come you believe the opinion of a Military president enough, to use it ? you are always contradicting yourself....
But no need to praise the military...NOW, because it suits you.
JB
Oct 10th, 2018 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”the stealing of indigenous land... you live in (Canada)“ No I don't, Mohawk and Iroquois are the only Canadian tribes. Although all indigenous people are free to move between Canada and the US. These two tribes I believe are in good financial shape. To the best of my knowledge there are no plans in North America to deprive the indigenous people of their lands.
”you are always contradicting yourself....“ You are as usual are both proof less and truth less.
”but how come you believe the opinion of a Military president enough“ Because unlike you I having no evidence to the contrary, thats what the record says.
”But no need to praise the military” it has never occurred to me.
TH
Oct 10th, 2018 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for confirming you don't live in Canada. Canadians don't deserve such a useless burden. The Sioux moved north, and had a presence in Canada.
“To the best of my knowledge there are no plans in North America to deprive the indigenous people of their lands”
Well, looks like you know very little, if anything, of America history. You must believe that the indigenous people of North America arrived there after 1500...
A lot of things have never occurred to you.
JB
Oct 10th, 2018 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“looks like you know very little, if anything, of America history.” I don't have to worry about the opining of a revealed compulsive liar, as it merits zero consideration. Well, I know a hell of a lot more than you do.
REF: Chile's President says Bolsonaro's plan is “what Brazil needs”:
Oct 10th, 2018 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right!
But Plan? WHAT plan?
Please be careful what you step-on:
https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/eleitor-na-merda.jpg?resize=580%2C393&ssl=1
TH
Oct 11th, 2018 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typical of Terry, the arrogant liar....when you can't back up yr claims, change the subject, or better, accuse the other side.....you obviously believe “the best method of defense is attack”, even if it'll get you slaughtered. In your case, a great idea.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Oct 11th, 2018 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Typical of Terry, the arrogant liar..”
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens
So still opining and whining. Which in the first instance is devoid of any provable fact, because it's not true.
Whereas, you are the biggest liar on this site, here is but one example of many.
Jack Bauer
“Why d'you repeat your silly claims ? it ain't gonna make them true…” The evidence from own post refutes your latest lie bozo as following three independent witness's prove as in this deliberate lie JB “The only reason for receptacles - in 'public' bathrooms - is to throw the bulkier paper hand-towels … If he thinks he's proved I'm a liar - about anything - let him TRY to prove it.”
http://en. mercopress.com/2017/07/12/brazil-former-president-lula-da-silva-found-guilty-of-corruption/comments#comment470703
“In common with most Latin American countries, the sewage system in Brazil can't cope with paper being flushed, so use the bin provided.”
http://www. wheredoiputthepaper.com.
“Where Do I Put my Toilet Paper? ..a trash bin. And, yes, that's where you put the paper after you used it.”
http:// thebrazilbusiness.com/article/going-to-the-toilet-in-brazil
“Living in Brazil..that nasty plastic basket with everyone´s used toilet paper in it. I hate being gross in my blog, but it´s a gross thing, believe me. For some unexplained reason, Brazilian piping and sewage is not compatible with toilet paper so people never flush the toilet paper down their toilets. Instead, they provide little baskets, sometimes with lids and sometimes without, beside the toilet for the toilet paper..”
https:// brazilphenomenon.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/living-in-brazil-electric-showers-toilet-litter-and-other-oddities/
So thanks for giving me the opportunity to provide conclusive evidence of your unmitigated lying.
TH
Oct 12th, 2018 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I miss the continuation of your comments on Bolsonaro's “corrupição', and mine where I mentioned Lula's education and that, amongst dozens of other serious mistakes, he says ”Triprekis”? or did you decide to keep quiet after being shown what a fool you are ?
Here you go again, repeating for the 'n'th time, your rant about toilets, receptacles, bog paper - and you still insist you were not just the lavatory cleaner, while in the RAF (???) - but I think you forgot to post “I hope they DO take over..”....what happened, has it lost it's fun after you were exposed for quoting it out of context ?
Terry, the more you post, the bigger the liar you prove yourself to be.
JB
Oct 12th, 2018 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Here you go again, repeating for the 'n'th time” Specifically showing but one instance out of many, many others where you have been exposed as a deliberate liar.
What ever faults Lula had he accomplished much in government for Brazilians within Brazil, and lifting it to the sixth highest economy in the world. If you want play Monday night quarter-back, they shouldn't have placed all their reliance on the commodities market. But, I don't recall anyone suggesting it was imprudent. But, then he never claimed to be a specialist in international trade, but relied on the advice of those that where.
Whereas, Bolsonaro has done sweet Fanny Adam in sixty-three years
“His supporters appear willing to ignore his many contradictions, such as how he once praised the leftist Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, and voted for Brazil’s left wing former president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in 2002.”
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/brazil-s-wealthy-farm-belt-backs-trump-like-presidential-candidate-10245024. com/content/d7df60cc-b7c4-11e8-bbc3-ccd7de085ffe
”Terry, the more you post, the bigger the liar you prove yourself to be.” Your deluded, since I show and evidence that contradicts you, with the appropriate citation. You know? The thing that shows irrefutably you are a liar.
May a better liar win!
Oct 12th, 2018 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sUr6zjyOy5M/VC8NS5DPXgI/AAAAAAAANAA/NjFSn5RH38Q/s1600/Charge%2B107.jpg
TH
Oct 13th, 2018 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there are SOOO many instances, why keep on wasting everyone's time with the same bs, with which you 'proved' nothing ?… other than - when you supposedly spent some time here - the house or the shack you lived in, had no public sanitation....your toilet must have been really smelly.
“Whatever faults Lula had..” ? is that yr way of avoiding a direct reply about the “triprekis”?
As to his lifting Brazil to the 6th economy in the world, that is bs …let’s get this in context (which we all know is not yr strong point) : in 2002, Brazil’s economy ranked 11th in the world ; in 2010, it rose to 8th place (UK was 6th) ; in 2013, Brazil was really 7 th (UK was 6th), …but if you want to argue Bzl was 6th, then you can’t ignore two facts : 1) the UK was still recovering from the 2008 crisis - which did not affect Brazil in the same way , and 2) Brazil only slipped to 6th (temporarily switching paces with “England”), IF and ONLY IF you consider England alone, not as part of the UK…See how you try to deceive everyone with your bs ?
Only the PT didn’t realize that placing their reliance on the commodities, like the bonanza would never end, was an enormous mistake (like regarding the subsalt oil reserves as the solution to everything)…any ‘competent’ government would have seen the writing on the wall. The PT might’ve, but chose to ignore it, after all, stopping with all the populism wasn’t an option for them. YOU don’t recall, I do ;
”…then he never claimed to be a specialist in international trade” ? sure, but what about all the ‘experts’ Lula hired as his Ministers ? Ah, forgot, there were none - just a lot of corrupt politicians.
Bolsonaro has not been in power before, so how could he have determined govt policy ? B praised Chavez ? yes, in 1999, asa he was elected, and before Chavez started to f*ck VZ (again, you use it out of context).
So easy to show up yr bs...easier than taking candy from a baby.
JB
Oct 14th, 2018 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Any ‘competent’ government would have seen the writing on the wall.”
Hello I don't recall anyone from the political or economic spheres providing any cautions. So the only thing thats conclusive is whoever formed the government would have been caught hopping.
“again, you use it out of context” Again, I just show what the press publishes, so don't blame the messenger.
“So easy to show up yr bs” Till I rebut your self-serving claims, and show where the only bull exists.
TH
Oct 14th, 2018 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there's a lot of shit you don't recall....called “selective memory”.....seems to be a real problem for you idiotic 'petistas'...Sorry, calling 'petistas' idiotic, is redundant.
If the 'messenger' transmits the message and f*cks off, great, but when he tries to convince you that the message is the truth, then he is no longer just a messenger....but you don't get it, do you Dumb Ass ? the press, despite most of it being leftist, at least 'usually' keeps the sh*t in context....you don't...deliberately....you deceitful Dumb Ass, you !
JB
Oct 14th, 2018 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”called “selective memory” I don't recall, but it's not my burden to prove it. You're the one who made the assertion therefore it's your BoP. “Any ‘competent’ government would have seen the writing on the wall.”
“again, you use it out of context” You're a liar because I included its URL. So click and read the whole article, therefor I have for filled my required obligation. So your full of shit.
@TH:
Oct 15th, 2018 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “whoever formed the government would have been caught hopping”:
https://i0.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Brasileiro-burro.jpg?resize=640%2C480&ssl=1
Your claim that a 'quotation is out of context' is a fallacy as you cannot find any such requirement under the
Oct 15th, 2018 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argumentation theory. Additionally, it is an absurdity “absurda sunt vitanda” (absurdities should be avoided). A citation in support of a quotation, is a sufficiency of proof. Since the party that wishes to challenge a quote, has the same access as the provider of the quote, and is not disadvantaged in any way. If the quote in isolation gives a contrary, intent then challenger can show in what manner.
“add some more ...about Brazil ranking 6th in the world economy”
Brazil claims it is fifth largest economy in world
Joe Leahy in Brasilía MARCH 3, 2011
Brazil has overtaken Britain and France to become the fifth largest economy in the world after reporting 7.5 per cent economic growth in 2010 – the fastest rate since 1986, ....
https://www.ft.com/content/89ad55ba-45d7-11e0-acd8-00144feab49a
@TH
Oct 15th, 2018 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “Brazil has overtaken Britain and France to become the fifth largest economy in the world after reporting 7.5 percent”:
I'm sure that the rising number of unemployed may believe in an Old-Report from the Financial-Times [2'011]
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EsQvZ0hdNtM/WrPm4HrKscI/AAAAAAABDT8/J1zd62RSLnIeX3cCFiHtJVp57lofnoX-gCLcBGAs/s1600/motiva%25C3%25A7%25C3%25A3o.jpg
TH
Oct 15th, 2018 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right, it's never YR burden to prove any of your false crap, because presumably your 'citations' do that.....isn't that it, Numb Nuts. ?
Regarding Joe Leahy's article of March 2011, might do well to take note who gave him the optimistic interview....None other than Dilma's Finance Minister, Guido Mantega, not exactly known for his skills, other than being a fervent 'petista'......plus the fact he is now a defendant in the Lavajato. Not exactly a credible source.
Anyway, getting down to numbers, which speak for themselves :
Brazil's GNP grew : 7,53% in 2010.
2011 = 3,97% ;
2012 = 1,92% ;
2015 = minus 3,77% ;
2016 = minus 3,59%....
showing the REAL tendency under PT/Dilma.
And regarding the 'fantastic' growth of 2010, it only occurred because in 2009, Brazil was still “recovering” from the 2008 crisis, and the GNP growth was negative, falling by 0,13% in relation to 2008....so the fact that in 2010 it grew 7,53 % was just the recovery from a VERY LOW BASE...doesn't mean very much...what does, is the fact that in the TWO years covered by 2009 and 2010, Brazil grew 7,4%, OR, an average of 3,7 % per year.....So, the notion that Brazil passed the UK and France to become the 5th economy of the world, is only partially true, and for a very brief moment, while Brazil peaked in 2010, and the UK and France were still emeging from the crisis which had hit them far harder than Brazil.....
That's the problem of taking only one year to analyze, instead of what came before, and after.....looks like logical reasoning isn't your strong point, but believeing crap that comes from Guido Mantega and Dilma (and why not include Lula ?) is.
JB
Oct 15th, 2018 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“add some more ...about Brazil ranking 6th in the world economy”
You asked and I answered, and you still whine, If you don't like don't ask.
“Anyway, getting down to numbers ...showing the REAL tendency” No as this is not the issue, so put those goal-posts back.
So I've shown a placement claimed even higher, than I originally stated. So you're looking more than a little silly at this point. I have also shown that there is no requirement to meet your false claim as to things being 'out of context.'
TH
Oct 15th, 2018 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JB
“add some more ...about Brazil ranking 6th in the world economy” ?????
I never asked you to “add some more”... about anything......far less about Brazil's ranking amongst the world's economies......why would I ask YOU, an ignoramus who obviously understands very little about economy.... so little, that you prefer to ignore official numbers (from the World Bank) and the reasons behind them.
Brazil's ranking IS exactly the issue...you claimed it was 6th place...then you went on to claim it was 5th...in both instances I showed what the numbers meant - not very much - and the brevity of holding such a position, which in practical terms mean absolutely nothing....it's like running a 100 metre sprint, and being in front for one second, but losing the race....you don't get it do you ?
But when I DO ask you something - has to be very simple otherwise you won't understand - that's when you sidestep the issue....just like when you criticized Bolsonaro for saying “corrupição”, but thinking it's fine when Lula does, as well as the “triprekis”, (and other 'barbaridades'), .....which is exactly what took us to the discussion of Brazil's ranking....when you finally decided to reply, and wrote : “What ever faults Lula had he accomplished much in government for Brazilians within Brazil, and lifting it to the sixth highest economy in the world”....
just a question ...simple one : “...for Brazilians within Brazil...”...and where else would it be, if not 'within' Brazil ?
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