Mrs. Kirchner calls UN to force UK to Falklands’ sovereignty negotiations
Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner defended her decision to place stronger controls on navigation and shipping within the Falklands called on the United Nations to force the United Kingdom to come through on negotiations over the sovereignty of that territory.
During a rally held in the Buenos Aires neighbourhood of Merlo, the president said that the United Kingdom has “systematically misunderstood” the UN resolutions and that “they have rejected the idea of sitting down” for negotiation.
Mrs. Kirchner promised she will insist “one thousand and one times for the international rights” to be respected, adding that “I am telling all Argentines that we will keep working for our rights in Malvinas”.
This way the Argentine president supported her decision to impede ships from any nationality to operate within the ports in the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Island and the continent, without previous Buenos Aires authorization.
The Argentine official strategy consists of impeding the exploitation of possible hydrocarbon resources within the Falklands, particularly on the eve of an exploratory drilling round scheduled to being next week with the arrival of a rig.
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already they have no “king” !!
Its good to hear that the implanted population of T del F are doing well enough to employ semi-slave labour from other countries. Proibably why there is so much unemployment there.
Countries and businesses look to see who is in de-facto control when they apply to operate in an area. They do not pay lip service to imaginary overlords who only have the power to retrospectively apply sanctions.
Argentina's territorial waters extend 12 miles off its continental coast line. The rest of what it refers to is its imaginary territorial waters.
Living the dream is one thing, but really! Get a life.
“Living the dream is one thing, but really! Get a life.”...Wise words, well anyway that's what kelpers do, will they need a life?
SURE!
P.S: Don't explect to have a peacefull life, when you are occupying foreing lands...
Expat, TDF is a real development state thanks de democratic system and federal royalties, industry and tourism. We havent got slave labour, because chilean/paraguayan/bolivian could have education, health that in their country couldnt have. I have been in Rio Gallegos last week and I can saw the same too, how chilean cross from Pta.Arenas to Argentina to attendance in Arg. Hospitals.
We have health tourism here too, because it is free no doubt. If you can afford to pay for foreigners thats fine by me.
I have been to Rio Gallegos, dusty old town. Good to pass through. I was also visiting our neighbouring country France last week, they have good hospitals too but I prefer our own. They are neighbours and do things in their own way, though as part of the EU I am entitled to their equivalent health benefits whilst there.
The Falklands and Argentina are neighbours too and each do things in their own way. Why not be satisfied with that? Greed and envy perhaps?
Regarding oil development I saw much evidence of oil in Rio Gallegos so why not develop your own oil fields in your own territory? Perhaps it is because unlike the Falklands and the UK where on the whole business is buisiness, in Argentina business is politics and the top dogs have to have their 'considerations' or nothing happens. Mostly nothing happens.
many “ indigestions ” !
we adopt and want the islanders as Argentine citizens gladly ..
UN RESOLUTIONS INVOLVING THE FALKLAND ISLANDS
Background
Chapter XI of the United Nations Charter
Declaration Regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories
Resolution 1514 (XV) - 1960
Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples
Resolution 1654 (XVI) - 1961
Creation of the Decolonisation Committee
Resolution 2065 (XX) - 1965
Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) - 1973
Resolution 31/49 - 1976
Security Council Resolution 502 (3 April 1982)
Security Council Resolution 505 (26 May 1982)
Resolution 37/9 - 1982
Resolution 38/12 - 1983
Resolution 39/6 - 1984
Resolution 40/21 - 1985
Resolution 41/40 - 1986
Resolution 42/19 - 1987
Resolution 43/25 - 1988
Resolution of the Decolonisation Committee - 2004
Press Release from the Decolonisation Committee - 2003
Press Release from the Decolonisation Committee - 2004
Press Release from the Decolonisation Committee - 2005
After introducing the draft resolution, the representative of Chile said he regretted that, despite the time elapsed and the numerous resolutions adopted by the United Nations, it had not been possible to initiate a direct diplomatic negotiation between the parties. Chile, like other Latin American countries, supported Argentina’s rights in the sovereignty dispute, as the upholding of colonial situations in the early twenty-first century was an anachronism that must be brought to an end. There was no valid reason to delay a solution and the parties were urged once again to resume effective negotiations to that end as early as possible.
Uruguay’s representative, speaking on behalf of the Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR), expressed member countries’ support for Argentina’s legitimate rights over the Malvinas Islands, as did other delegates from Latin American countries. Some speakers emphasized that, because of the special circumstances surrounding the colonial situation of the Territory, the principle of territorial integrity superseded that of self-determination, as provided for under paragraph 6 of resolution 1514 (XV) containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.”
It would be nice if some of you guys did your homework before posting nonsense. Obviously Argentin's claim is viewed as legitimate by the UN but , the UK is afraid to sit down at the negotiation table.
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All the UN does is acknowledge that Argentina disputes British sovereignty, it calls for both sides to settle the dispute. That does not mean Argentina's claim is viewed as legitimate by the UN.<br />
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Britain did talk with Argentina but talks were stymied by 2 things. A) Argentina refused to accept anything other than the British transferring sovereignty to Argentina and B) the Islanders refused to become part of Argentina. Given the unstable nature of Argentina, the corrupt military regime and the overtly hostil and racist attitude that Argentina displays toward the islanders the latter is very understandable. Britain has clearly indicated the grounds for any talks and whatever agreements had been reached were torn up by Argentina.<br />
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And why is Argentina bleating at the UN C24, its a body that reminds Argentina it is not capable of mediating a sovereignty dispute. It was a body created for a noble purpose that has allowed itself to be corrupted into a forum for nation states to grand stand irredentist sovereignty claims rather than assisting the people of former colonies as it was intended to.<br />
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The Falklands and other places are no longer colonies, they are collectively more democratic than many of the countries on the UN C24 committee and frankly the UN C24 is now just a waste of space. The UK no longer bothers to attend its annual circus, Gibraltar has indicated it no longer intend to bother with it and I wouldn't mind betting that the Falkland Islands follow suit shortly. When did a C24 delegation ever visit or talk to the islanders?<br />
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Quoting your nearest neighbours, with blood ties, who will mouth sympathetic platitudes doesn't mean squat.<br />
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I also note that half of those resolutions don't mention the Falkland Islands specifically, half aren't resolutions at all but declarations by the C24 dominated by allies of Argentina.<br />
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Now the UK is not afraid to sit down at the negotiating table but negotiations are pointless when one side demands far more than the other side can possibly give. Argentina seems to want something for nothing and its no co-incidence that as the polls slide in Argentina, Christina is ratcheting up the rhetoric.<br />
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You might also care to read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, where self-determination is clearly delineated as a basic right that over-rides all others. And look at the original reasons for the territorial integrity clause, its purpose was to stop colonial territories being broken not to deny basic human rights to the people of dependent territories.<br />
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What Argentina seeks for the Falklands would create a colonial situation, since Argentina seeks to impose an alien culture and to dominate and subjugate a foreign peoples. This is the 21st Century not the 19th, 200 year old claims to territory that was never part of Argentina have no place.<br />
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It would be nice if you did your homework Steve instead of peddling propaganda.
I have never seen any proof in any UN Resolution or even the pap that emanates from the C24 that Argentina's claim is considered legitimate by the UN.
The UN position is very clear, it recognises that a dispute regarding sovereignty exists and simply invites the parties to negotiate with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem and not only that it also invites the parties to negotiate bearing in mind all the decolonisation caveats in the Charter and subsequent resolutions. The matter of territorial integrity to which you refer in this case is the territorial integrity of the colonial countries in question, not the territorial integrity of the metropolitan powers involved.
Yours is the typical self serving interpretation of successive Argentine governments and bears little relation to the facts of the matter. Argentina constantly gets its friends to support is position on sovereignty in the C24 then pretends that such utterances are the will of the United Nations. This is a total nonsensical interpretation of the reality as is your parroting of the Argentine hard line position.
Whilst Argentina maintains the position that the only outcome of negotiations can be a transfer of sovereignty to itself, in contravention of the range of possibilities outlined in the UN resolutions, then the people of the Falkland Islands are very unlikely to agree to to the UK taking part in negotiations on their behalf on such a narrow agenda.
So why not do your own homework before posting such misleading nonsense here. It is surely Argentina who is afraid to negotiate under the terms set out by the UN not the UK or the FIG. It is quite laugable seeing what is supposed to be a mature and responsible country hiding behind such a thin smokescreen of propaganda for its own internal political purposes.
1776 :: Brits leave plaque to assert claim on abondoned colony
1811 :: Spaniards withdraw from colony
1816 :: united Prov of S.Amr' s independence from Spain
1820 :: flag of Unt.Pro.S.Amr(later Argentina) raised on islands
1828 :: Argentine sttlements colony founded
1831 :: US warships destroy this colony
1832 :: Argentina send a governor who killed in mutiny
1833 :: Brits return to islands again.......
The same idiot who studied argentine history to distortion it later. He is obssesed with Argentina. The same idiot who is supported for others idiot who only says “well said” to his post since they are not be able to think on their own way. Obviously, many yaears living in the middle of anywhere!
This idiot call “waste of space” to every body wich does not support his way of thinking, tipically british.
The same idiot and stupid who talks about argentine propaganda when the only proganda is his.
Someone said here “Islanders will not have peace until UK sit down to negotiate”
We don't care if we loose a few jobs or a little of money. We'll make your life as impposible as we can. You are gonna pay hard for all these years of stealing.
Kirchner,
let's build it, launch it and finish this once for all.
“We'll make your lives impossible till you bend to our will”. Always the resort to oppression and the use of force and then you wonder why the islanders don't like Argentina.
And the closed mind who doesn't listen to anyone who happens to contradict the Argentine propaganda, refuses to consider the documentary evidence that shows it to be lies and resorts to empty insults instead.
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And do the words “Too soon” have no meaning in Argentina? It's not even been thirty years since the military invasion that claimed thousands of lives.<br /><br />
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Not only do you want something that the world no longer respects (“Sacred soil owned regardless of the wishes of those living there for generations”), you don't appear to have the basic wisdom necessary to see that pursuing belligerently stands 0% chance of succeeding. <br /><br />
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Talk about “Banana Republic” ... crying over a rock you've never governed instead of your own political system - a system that has failed to what it's supposed to ie provide prosperity, stability and freedom to its citizens.
Added: Saturday, 20 February, 2010, 11:50 GMT 11:50 UK
It's puzzling why you are attracted to clammy, rocky islands, but stocking the islands with Brit invaders so you can claim the majority of 'natives' want British rule is so lame and just typical revolting Brit politics. If you intend to make historical claims on the Malvinas, the US could likewise claim Bermuda as a colony since it began as part of Virginia. Put that in your imperialist pipe and smoke it.
sluggo smiff, Chapel Hill, NC, United States
Added: Saturday, 20 February, 2010, 10:28 GMT 10:28 UK
“As an ex Brit I feel embarrassed by ex country’s self righteous pompous indignation. Pay the resident of that far flung outpost a $1,000, 000 each to move back to the UK. Give the Malvinas back to Argentina.
Clive Smith, Los Angeles”
Added: Saturday, 20 February, 2010, 10:19 GMT 10:19 UK
“The population of the Falklands is 3000, the majority of whom are British settlers. Self determination doesn't apply to this scenario because the settlers were planted by the British to artificially influence the population makeup
Cian, London”
Ah yes, “Settlers” in the same sense that most Argentinians are still “Spanish settlers” (!)
Malvinas settlers are -special trained- English agents !
A terrible thought to comprehend as it begs the question how long does a people have to exist before they cannot be regarded as a colony? By Argentine nationalist logic applied to the Falklands, Argentina is a colony!
by 2033 I kid you not the Argentines will drop their claim as they will be wholly unable to sustain any coherent arguement in regards to length of time......
2008-Farming goes down the plug hole, mass protests by Farmers- suddenly hijacks the 26th Anniversary to Condem the Falklands islands.
2009- Kirchner's party doing badly in polls, May.... raises the falklands again in London put down by Brown.
2010-scandal's in high government, bad financial decisions......lo and behold the current spat.
as you are very well this is not the 17th century, England is not a republic, (they tried that and it went wrong)but is in fact a Unitary state, of Scotland (my name should be a dead give away), England, Wales and Ulster, all countries with a very high level of democracy and multiple representation in the UK parliament, the Eu parliament and their respective devolved regional parliaments.
But this isn't about the UK so lets cut to the chase:
How long does a country or people have to exist before they can be no longer called a colony or “settlers”.....??? I await your response.
as for the Falklands, they already have a prosperous economy, fishing, tourism, farming, they have no need for a country which cannot get it's own finances in order.
sadly the only thing Argentina has offered the islands has been violence, intimidation, warfare, racism, bullying, blockades, rhetoric the list goes on, as some people say you are the neighbour from hell.
The last 26 years have not one positive initiative from Argentina to try and come to a negotiating solution.
republics born as England , Scotland , Wales , N.Irl Republics !!
we don't need UK .....but we need China , Japan , India , Germany
France , Russia , Brazil........
nitro^^^ bravo .. press down .. press down . they are overwhelmed ..
Nitro-
I think you will find that the Islands already have highly advanced level of communication, they have no need for the Argentine carrier Pidgeon service!
Haven't noticed the device you are using to coomunicate right now......have you figured it out yet?.....WELL DONE the internet! They also have telephones, mobiles all these wonderful gadgets.
By 2033, will Argentina get the wireless service is that the big trump card you mean by communication?
As for “Links”, the British govt quite adequately provides an air bridge at very little cost to it's self, it takes about the same amount of time to fly from the UK to the islands than for boat to cross the Falkland straight.
I do agree on Cuba and the Falklands though, both are the subject of blockades from agressive larger neighbours, and both have been the victims of invasion from them!
But thanks for still thinking were an empire, it really brings a sense of pride to this old warriors heart ;)
Where do you get it from? We listen to a choice of 2 local radio stationshere both FM one local and one civilian run but aimed for the services and their families.There is NO miltary radio station, TV most have up t0 11 or more channels by digital,fibre optic cables are used in business,we have had broadband for a few years now and soon to be nation wide,WIFI in many public areas,THREE International flights per week. and I suggest you folks think twice before you withdraw airspace for the weekly Lan flight as that is YOUR ONLY means of contact with the Islands - without that link no Argentine can visit unless they go to UK first, and none of your war dead families could visit their son/husband,s graves any more- is that what you want? Penguin News is totally editorially independent of the Government and the Legislature -like you we have a free press. Please show me where bans,blockades and economic warfare has made a democratic country give in to the aggressor in recent years?
Batman, we are the most educated in Latam, perticulary, I can give the worse opinion about our President, but I can admire another things of her, that make inteligent people and not nationalism or closed minds like islanders non educated.
las islas estan en nuestro corazon,no importa si tardamos 100,200 o 300
años mas en recuperarlas,sepanlo vamos a volver no importa cuando ni como,pero vamos avolver y nuestra bamdera flameara para siempre
Desde Ushuaia te mando un abrazo.
“The population of the Falklands is 3000, the majority of whom are British settlers. Self determination doesn't apply to this scenario because the settlers were planted by the British to artificially influence the population makeup
Cian, London”
That is an absolute thruth... colonialism is at an end, and this is just an attempt by Gordon Brown to hit the jackpot in a casino... he's not very popular at all, so he wants the oil in the Argentina continental platform to prolong the Brits energy comfort... as the north sea reserves are diminishing rapidly.
Kelpers and others here seem to be convinced that it's finally your day! That London remembered you existed and it's time for population growth and development, maybe a College and a McDonalds right? HA!
This is just a political stunt, and a very irresponsible one at that...
Cheers
If there is any oil - Gordon brown does NOT get it - it is the property of the Falkland Islands Govt.
Colonialism is at an end - YEs I agree with you on this one. We ceased being a traditional “Colony” several decades ago. Falkland Islands has been planning-publically- this exploration phase for over a year - not a surprise - actually it is your side that is no making political stunts - and very irresponsible ones I agree with you again.
Nitro - glad we appear to have sorted the communications tecnical side - yes widescreen flat TV is all the rage here as well. You seem to have good ideas in Ushuaia - making high value goods that will stand the freight costs of getting them to the population centers to sell. Thats good business!
about “ exploiter creatures' behaviours ” as thesis ....for this reason that
i follow these forums..i don't care islands..but if there are some rodent
creatures at islands certainly i'll interested in .....
PD: I wrote this with in my indigenous home, with the help of Coco, my loyal monkey. Now I have to go to the city mounted in a horse, becouse we have no roads.
PD: If you comeback to Eurabia, be careful of muslims, they could be yours masters soon.
Tierra del Fuego has an university, high tech industry, and is visited by hundreds of thousands of turists every year.
Envy is bad.
A particular affirmative is a minor premise and does not imply an universal statement.<br />
If you demonstrate it does; you may revolutionize the last 2300 years of western philosophy.<br />
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But on the other foot.....
“ exploiter creatures ” yea You are at the right place ..
you can choose who they are easily ...clue ! monarshic ones !!!!!
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Age: 23 aprox.<br />
Nacionalidad: Chileno (chile)<br />
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Remember, I'm not a hacker, but the members of the community are Hackers.
I liked to listened to the Malvinas authem in pinguin-news site!
Deberían hacerlo con sus paginas oficiales, aunque los podrían meter presos por eso.
Saludos
I suppose we can look forward to a Jorge that never insults anyone in future.
To whoever owns & runs penguin news:: you did this. Shame on you, got owned by a bunch of kids.
Cheers
I'll tell you what. Brits are living there now. If you want them out so 'Argentina' can claim its legal and moral right to the Falklands, then we'll give you the islands, but first, ALL OF THE SPANISH DECENDENTS living in Argentina need to hand back the country to its indiginous population, and return to spain and portugal.
Once this act is completed, the British will hand over the Falklands to the remaining pure blooded Argentinian Indians (Assuming they actually want it) and leave them to visit it on their canoes.
Other than that, i cannot for one second see ANY legitimate claim the Argentinians can make over the Falklands. Can you claim it just because you are close to it? Can you claim it because you once owned it? If so, can we have the UN give Britain the USA back, and Australia, and about a dozen other places we populated during our time as an empire?
This is a silly debate over an island no Argie would give a second thought to under normal circumstances. You are all being conned by your failing president because he is desperate to attract your votes.
Wake up and smell what is really going on.
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