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Mrs. Kirchner calls UN to force UK to Falklands’ sovereignty negotiations
Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner defended her decision to place stronger controls on navigation and shipping within the Falklands called on the United Nations to force the United Kingdom to come through on negotiations over the sovereignty of that territory. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCristina is not of my sharm, but she has reason in which now, all the Argentinians ,around the world will protest energetically against the violation of our resources and our territory, in Madrid, Paris, New York, Miami, entire Latin America let's protest in all the embassies and British consulates and claim in the UN in order the UK fulfillment of the resolutions that this organisation dictates in a democratic system (not the Uk Dictactorship).
Feb 17th, 2010 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nitro, it's not your nation's territory. You che idiots are truly wasting your time rather dealing with serious issues that is crippling your nation slowly. You truly believe that in Madrid, Paris, NY and Miami they care about you clowns? Get real. We here in the west believe in Freedom, the people of the Falklands (UK) have spoken that they don't belong to the Argies. Second, the Falklands was never under Argentina and not even when it became an independent nation from Spain. That's is the reality.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0cristina means that “” the republic of england “” not uk !!
Feb 17th, 2010 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0already they have no “king” !!
Its surprising how the islands always come up top issue when your opinion poll ratings crash madam. We worry not one litle bit - we have all been down this one before. Nicholas of course speaks the reality of todays world.gdr - what are you one about? England is part of the United Kingdom or Great Britain , the last King died in1952 - get up to date please - and the Queen of Great Britain is also actually Head of State of several other Countries as well
Feb 17th, 2010 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicholas, no need to insult. Following your way of thought: I would say the same thing about you if thinking that being were you are and still believe that you earned those lands would not have this type of missunderstanding with Argentines. It is obvious that you are angry and feel underpressure. As you are asking us to comprehend your “nation”, you need to understand us. This are actions towards UK as a result of the long distance invation of pirates. We are not stupids, what's ours we'll take it in a democratic way. Nothing illegal on it, we are doing what's right to do.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0KELPERS OWNED! HAHAHAHAHA
Feb 17th, 2010 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nitrojuan,
Feb 17th, 2010 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its good to hear that the implanted population of T del F are doing well enough to employ semi-slave labour from other countries. Proibably why there is so much unemployment there.
Countries and businesses look to see who is in de-facto control when they apply to operate in an area. They do not pay lip service to imaginary overlords who only have the power to retrospectively apply sanctions.
Argentina's territorial waters extend 12 miles off its continental coast line. The rest of what it refers to is its imaginary territorial waters.
Living the dream is one thing, but really! Get a life.
Expat Kelper,
Feb 17th, 2010 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Living the dream is one thing, but really! Get a life.”...Wise words, well anyway that's what kelpers do, will they need a life?
SURE!
P.S: Don't explect to have a peacefull life, when you are occupying foreing lands...
Juan, I keep your last phrase “Don't explect to have a peacefull life, when you are occupying foreing lands”. While they still occupied thats lands they will not have peace for generations.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Expat, TDF is a real development state thanks de democratic system and federal royalties, industry and tourism. We havent got slave labour, because chilean/paraguayan/bolivian could have education, health that in their country couldnt have. I have been in Rio Gallegos last week and I can saw the same too, how chilean cross from Pta.Arenas to Argentina to attendance in Arg. Hospitals.
nitro,
Feb 17th, 2010 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have health tourism here too, because it is free no doubt. If you can afford to pay for foreigners thats fine by me.
I have been to Rio Gallegos, dusty old town. Good to pass through. I was also visiting our neighbouring country France last week, they have good hospitals too but I prefer our own. They are neighbours and do things in their own way, though as part of the EU I am entitled to their equivalent health benefits whilst there.
The Falklands and Argentina are neighbours too and each do things in their own way. Why not be satisfied with that? Greed and envy perhaps?
Regarding oil development I saw much evidence of oil in Rio Gallegos so why not develop your own oil fields in your own territory? Perhaps it is because unlike the Falklands and the UK where on the whole business is buisiness, in Argentina business is politics and the top dogs have to have their 'considerations' or nothing happens. Mostly nothing happens.
unfortunately ; the youth of the Republic of England has
Feb 17th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0many “ indigestions ” !
It is good to see gdr still contributes very little to discussion. All I keep hearing is the rights of Argentines...it is strange that they never consider the rights of the Islanders. These are the population of the country they desire, but they seem to ignore all of their rights. Just because it is 3,000 people, Argentina feels they are right to bully a small nation. If the population was 3,000,000, Argentina wouldnt do anything. The rights of the islanders are priority, they come first. There can be no argument. Because if Argentina succeed in this ignorant plea for a fantasy, they will probably start demanding Urguguay because once upon a time they had stationed convicts there. And for Argentina to employ all of these bulley tactics on a small nation, makes them look very foolish and pathetic. It is embarrassing for you. You keep talking about how Argentina will become a powerful nation, but how? They cant even have an influence over small islands, how you going to be authorative over large nations? Again it is another Argentine fantasy that wont become reality. Sort your own country out before you collapse. I am embarrassedf for you Argentines. I am truly am. I sit hear reading the lastest Argentine ploy and read the Argenhtine comments on here, and I have a big smile on my face to see a country of millions reek if pure desperation and weakness.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 00 tolerance to unilateral acts when a sovereignty dispute is open!
Feb 17th, 2010 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0M ;;; please agree, England is finished..why let loose the Malvinas !?
Feb 17th, 2010 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we adopt and want the islanders as Argentine citizens gladly ..
The whole issue is just a smoke bomb to create a distraction that will serve both Brown and Fernandez to hide their actual problems.
Feb 17th, 2010 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina testiclelating again, and Christina wishing....
Feb 17th, 2010 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prsidente Brown wishing for conflict so he can retain pwer like Margaret Thatcher did in 1982
Feb 17th, 2010 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for kelpers... exocet... exocet exocet...!!!!!!
Feb 18th, 2010 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why does Britain snub it's nose at the UN resolutions? They are in good company in this regard with Iraq under Sadam and the current regime in Iran. These countries do the same. If Britain is so confident why have they been dodging the issue for years. I would be frustrated if I was Argentina. Anyone who has done any research knows that this is a big deal to Argentina regardless of political persuasion or economic situation. The prospect of Britain exploring for oil is what has ramped this up, not the Argentine government. They are reacting as any nation would to a perceived infringement on their sovereignty and natural resources. I have come to realize that most British and American Anglophobes have a very jingoistic approach to this conflict. I'm American and try to view this based on the murky facts as historians can best reconstruct them. It amazes me how much misinformation is floating around on these boards. Obviously all these resolutions (UN, OAS, MERCOSUR, RIO Group) show some level of support in regard to looking into Argentina's claim.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey 13M, Bullying a small nation????? They are a British Colony. Very sad commentary on your part towards a whole nation. Where are you from? Hopefully your not American....I would be embarassed and ashamed if you are.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 013M...I think he reeks....wherever he's from. Sounds like a sad character. I hope he's not American, “ I have a big smile on my face to see a country of millions reek if pure desperation and weakness” What a creep. Probably got dumped by some Argentine chick at some point in his life or he's some Brit still pissed about Maradona's Hand of God goal in the 86 World Cup....get over it dude..
Feb 18th, 2010 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whoever wrote exocet, exocet....can we send one 13M's way. What a jerk.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0People....What is Britain afraid of? All these resolutions going back to the 60's and Britain won't negotiate.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN RESOLUTIONS INVOLVING THE FALKLAND ISLANDS
Background
Chapter XI of the United Nations Charter
Declaration Regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories
Resolution 1514 (XV) - 1960
Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples
Resolution 1654 (XVI) - 1961
Creation of the Decolonisation Committee
Resolution 2065 (XX) - 1965
Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) - 1973
Resolution 31/49 - 1976
Security Council Resolution 502 (3 April 1982)
Security Council Resolution 505 (26 May 1982)
Resolution 37/9 - 1982
Resolution 38/12 - 1983
Resolution 39/6 - 1984
Resolution 40/21 - 1985
Resolution 41/40 - 1986
Resolution 42/19 - 1987
Resolution 43/25 - 1988
Resolution of the Decolonisation Committee - 2004
Press Release from the Decolonisation Committee - 2003
Press Release from the Decolonisation Committee - 2004
Press Release from the Decolonisation Committee - 2005
Exerpt from the 2008 UN Resolution. “Member States called for direct negotiations between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom so that a solution to their sovereignty dispute could be found as soon as possible, taking into consideration the interests of the Territory’s inhabitants. They expressedregret that negotiations had not started, despite numerous requests by the Special Committee and the General Assembly.”
Feb 18th, 2010 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0After introducing the draft resolution, the representative of Chile said he regretted that, despite the time elapsed and the numerous resolutions adopted by the United Nations, it had not been possible to initiate a direct diplomatic negotiation between the parties. Chile, like other Latin American countries, supported Argentina’s rights in the sovereignty dispute, as the upholding of colonial situations in the early twenty-first century was an anachronism that must be brought to an end. There was no valid reason to delay a solution and the parties were urged once again to resume effective negotiations to that end as early as possible.
Uruguay’s representative, speaking on behalf of the Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR), expressed member countries’ support for Argentina’s legitimate rights over the Malvinas Islands, as did other delegates from Latin American countries. Some speakers emphasized that, because of the special circumstances surrounding the colonial situation of the Territory, the principle of territorial integrity superseded that of self-determination, as provided for under paragraph 6 of resolution 1514 (XV) containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.”
It would be nice if some of you guys did your homework before posting nonsense. Obviously Argentin's claim is viewed as legitimate by the UN but , the UK is afraid to sit down at the negotiation table.
UN Resolution 502, the one calling for Argentina to withdraw from the islands, remember that one? Compliance with would have avoided an unnecessary war and the deaths of a 1000 young men. The one Argentina ignored.<br />
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All the UN does is acknowledge that Argentina disputes British sovereignty, it calls for both sides to settle the dispute. That does not mean Argentina's claim is viewed as legitimate by the UN.<br />
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Britain did talk with Argentina but talks were stymied by 2 things. A) Argentina refused to accept anything other than the British transferring sovereignty to Argentina and B) the Islanders refused to become part of Argentina. Given the unstable nature of Argentina, the corrupt military regime and the overtly hostil and racist attitude that Argentina displays toward the islanders the latter is very understandable. Britain has clearly indicated the grounds for any talks and whatever agreements had been reached were torn up by Argentina.<br />
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And why is Argentina bleating at the UN C24, its a body that reminds Argentina it is not capable of mediating a sovereignty dispute. It was a body created for a noble purpose that has allowed itself to be corrupted into a forum for nation states to grand stand irredentist sovereignty claims rather than assisting the people of former colonies as it was intended to.<br />
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The Falklands and other places are no longer colonies, they are collectively more democratic than many of the countries on the UN C24 committee and frankly the UN C24 is now just a waste of space. The UK no longer bothers to attend its annual circus, Gibraltar has indicated it no longer intend to bother with it and I wouldn't mind betting that the Falkland Islands follow suit shortly. When did a C24 delegation ever visit or talk to the islanders?<br />
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Quoting your nearest neighbours, with blood ties, who will mouth sympathetic platitudes doesn't mean squat.<br />
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I also note that half of those resolutions don't mention the Falkland Islands specifically, half aren't resolutions at all but declarations by the C24 dominated by allies of Argentina.<br />
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Now the UK is not afraid to sit down at the negotiating table but negotiations are pointless when one side demands far more than the other side can possibly give. Argentina seems to want something for nothing and its no co-incidence that as the polls slide in Argentina, Christina is ratcheting up the rhetoric.<br />
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You might also care to read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, where self-determination is clearly delineated as a basic right that over-rides all others. And look at the original reasons for the territorial integrity clause, its purpose was to stop colonial territories being broken not to deny basic human rights to the people of dependent territories.<br />
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What Argentina seeks for the Falklands would create a colonial situation, since Argentina seeks to impose an alien culture and to dominate and subjugate a foreign peoples. This is the 21st Century not the 19th, 200 year old claims to territory that was never part of Argentina have no place.<br />
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It would be nice if you did your homework Steve instead of peddling propaganda.
Well said Justin, Steve all those C24 personal member statements you refer to all simply support a transfer of sovereignty to Argentina - our opinion does not count to them - all they are doing is supporting Arg for national political reasons of trade etc. There is no point debating the issue with a Govt that refuses to recognise that we exist as a people and refuses to accept that we have our own valid point of view.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Steve,
Feb 18th, 2010 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have never seen any proof in any UN Resolution or even the pap that emanates from the C24 that Argentina's claim is considered legitimate by the UN.
The UN position is very clear, it recognises that a dispute regarding sovereignty exists and simply invites the parties to negotiate with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem and not only that it also invites the parties to negotiate bearing in mind all the decolonisation caveats in the Charter and subsequent resolutions. The matter of territorial integrity to which you refer in this case is the territorial integrity of the colonial countries in question, not the territorial integrity of the metropolitan powers involved.
Yours is the typical self serving interpretation of successive Argentine governments and bears little relation to the facts of the matter. Argentina constantly gets its friends to support is position on sovereignty in the C24 then pretends that such utterances are the will of the United Nations. This is a total nonsensical interpretation of the reality as is your parroting of the Argentine hard line position.
Whilst Argentina maintains the position that the only outcome of negotiations can be a transfer of sovereignty to itself, in contravention of the range of possibilities outlined in the UN resolutions, then the people of the Falkland Islands are very unlikely to agree to to the UK taking part in negotiations on their behalf on such a narrow agenda.
So why not do your own homework before posting such misleading nonsense here. It is surely Argentina who is afraid to negotiate under the terms set out by the UN not the UK or the FIG. It is quite laugable seeing what is supposed to be a mature and responsible country hiding behind such a thin smokescreen of propaganda for its own internal political purposes.
1774 :: Brits withdrawal from colony
Feb 18th, 2010 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 01776 :: Brits leave plaque to assert claim on abondoned colony
1811 :: Spaniards withdraw from colony
1816 :: united Prov of S.Amr' s independence from Spain
1820 :: flag of Unt.Pro.S.Amr(later Argentina) raised on islands
1828 :: Argentine sttlements colony founded
1831 :: US warships destroy this colony
1832 :: Argentina send a governor who killed in mutiny
1833 :: Brits return to islands again.......
Do you really think it is productive to paste the same thing on multiple pages. As usual it seems swamping debate is preferrable to rational discussion.
Feb 18th, 2010 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#29 outrage and indigestion !!
Feb 18th, 2010 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual the same idiot talking about racism. The only racism came from British/islanders preventing argentines to enter into their own land during 18 years.
Feb 19th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same idiot who studied argentine history to distortion it later. He is obssesed with Argentina. The same idiot who is supported for others idiot who only says “well said” to his post since they are not be able to think on their own way. Obviously, many yaears living in the middle of anywhere!
This idiot call “waste of space” to every body wich does not support his way of thinking, tipically british.
The same idiot and stupid who talks about argentine propaganda when the only proganda is his.
Someone said here “Islanders will not have peace until UK sit down to negotiate”
We don't care if we loose a few jobs or a little of money. We'll make your life as impposible as we can. You are gonna pay hard for all these years of stealing.
Kirchner,
let's build it, launch it and finish this once for all.
Yeah, right so preventing the country that invaded and turned your lives upside down is “racism”. The small island community that despite that, buried the dead you left to rot with due reverance. But apparently denouncing them as untermenschen with no rights whatsoever isn't. You know the sheer hubris and hypocrisy of people like Jorge never ceases to amaze me.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We'll make your lives impossible till you bend to our will”. Always the resort to oppression and the use of force and then you wonder why the islanders don't like Argentina.
And the closed mind who doesn't listen to anyone who happens to contradict the Argentine propaganda, refuses to consider the documentary evidence that shows it to be lies and resorts to empty insults instead.
It's a pretty sad country that has to resort to this kind of nationalistic jingoism to shore up it's own ego, isn't it?<br /><br />
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And do the words “Too soon” have no meaning in Argentina? It's not even been thirty years since the military invasion that claimed thousands of lives.<br /><br />
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Not only do you want something that the world no longer respects (“Sacred soil owned regardless of the wishes of those living there for generations”), you don't appear to have the basic wisdom necessary to see that pursuing belligerently stands 0% chance of succeeding. <br /><br />
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Talk about “Banana Republic” ... crying over a rock you've never governed instead of your own political system - a system that has failed to what it's supposed to ie provide prosperity, stability and freedom to its citizens.
EXCELLENTS COMMENTS FROM BBC.COM !!
Feb 20th, 2010 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Added: Saturday, 20 February, 2010, 11:50 GMT 11:50 UK
It's puzzling why you are attracted to clammy, rocky islands, but stocking the islands with Brit invaders so you can claim the majority of 'natives' want British rule is so lame and just typical revolting Brit politics. If you intend to make historical claims on the Malvinas, the US could likewise claim Bermuda as a colony since it began as part of Virginia. Put that in your imperialist pipe and smoke it.
sluggo smiff, Chapel Hill, NC, United States
Added: Saturday, 20 February, 2010, 10:28 GMT 10:28 UK
“As an ex Brit I feel embarrassed by ex country’s self righteous pompous indignation. Pay the resident of that far flung outpost a $1,000, 000 each to move back to the UK. Give the Malvinas back to Argentina.
Clive Smith, Los Angeles”
Added: Saturday, 20 February, 2010, 10:19 GMT 10:19 UK
“The population of the Falklands is 3000, the majority of whom are British settlers. Self determination doesn't apply to this scenario because the settlers were planted by the British to artificially influence the population makeup
Cian, London”
> The population of the Falklands is 3000, the majority of whom are British settlers.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes, “Settlers” in the same sense that most Argentinians are still “Spanish settlers” (!)
#35 not same ! we are all --once -- immigrants !
Feb 20th, 2010 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas settlers are -special trained- English agents !
Could be could it just be that the nationalist elements in Argentina are getting a tad bit anxious as the 200th centenary of Argentina is but a mere 6 years away, and soon the Islands will be as old as the existence of the Argentine republic?
Feb 20th, 2010 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A terrible thought to comprehend as it begs the question how long does a people have to exist before they cannot be regarded as a colony? By Argentine nationalist logic applied to the Falklands, Argentina is a colony!
by 2033 I kid you not the Argentines will drop their claim as they will be wholly unable to sustain any coherent arguement in regards to length of time......
#37 (large name) Welcome to XXI Century, In 2033 UK will be England Republic, the develpoment of Argentian Malvinas will be high, with a lot of link with their country, educated people, prosperous tourism & resourses exploration (if UK keep anyone), without military (now Cyprus) maybe as an autonomous state in the Federation, people in peace without resentments.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 02007 suitcase scandal-Mrs Kirchner scraps joint Falklands oil deal.....attention divereted.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 02008-Farming goes down the plug hole, mass protests by Farmers- suddenly hijacks the 26th Anniversary to Condem the Falklands islands.
2009- Kirchner's party doing badly in polls, May.... raises the falklands again in London put down by Brown.
2010-scandal's in high government, bad financial decisions......lo and behold the current spat.
Thank you NitroJuan,
Feb 20th, 2010 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as you are very well this is not the 17th century, England is not a republic, (they tried that and it went wrong)but is in fact a Unitary state, of Scotland (my name should be a dead give away), England, Wales and Ulster, all countries with a very high level of democracy and multiple representation in the UK parliament, the Eu parliament and their respective devolved regional parliaments.
But this isn't about the UK so lets cut to the chase:
How long does a country or people have to exist before they can be no longer called a colony or “settlers”.....??? I await your response.
as for the Falklands, they already have a prosperous economy, fishing, tourism, farming, they have no need for a country which cannot get it's own finances in order.
sadly the only thing Argentina has offered the islands has been violence, intimidation, warfare, racism, bullying, blockades, rhetoric the list goes on, as some people say you are the neighbour from hell.
The last 26 years have not one positive initiative from Argentina to try and come to a negotiating solution.
Give that man a prize, see other people can spot the pattern. Fools some of the people all of the time though.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not in 2033...in the between of 2010-2020 the new, modern,dignified
Feb 20th, 2010 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0republics born as England , Scotland , Wales , N.Irl Republics !!
we don't need UK .....but we need China , Japan , India , Germany
France , Russia , Brazil........
Large Name,#39 I dont like Kirchner, i am more PROgressive, but from 2003 we have had a high recover (thanks comodities and strong reserves and financial politics) and the impact of the last crisis didnt came to Argentina.. #40 i said what Malvinas & England WILL be in 2033... The world move in an earth village, with comunications and links (the first element of that integration). I cant image Malvinas like Cuba (if UK continues supporting their stubbornness of keep the rest of its Empire) because the Argentinian politics before recover Malvinas will be of BAN and Blockades.
Feb 20th, 2010 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gdr ^^^ brits kids scared from you ..
Feb 20th, 2010 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nitro^^^ bravo .. press down .. press down . they are overwhelmed ..
Be quiet Ves, the big boys are speaking hear, your opinion is noted, when I get past the rest of the school children, I will answer your queries!
Feb 20th, 2010 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nitro-
I think you will find that the Islands already have highly advanced level of communication, they have no need for the Argentine carrier Pidgeon service!
Haven't noticed the device you are using to coomunicate right now......have you figured it out yet?.....WELL DONE the internet! They also have telephones, mobiles all these wonderful gadgets.
By 2033, will Argentina get the wireless service is that the big trump card you mean by communication?
As for “Links”, the British govt quite adequately provides an air bridge at very little cost to it's self, it takes about the same amount of time to fly from the UK to the islands than for boat to cross the Falkland straight.
I do agree on Cuba and the Falklands though, both are the subject of blockades from agressive larger neighbours, and both have been the victims of invasion from them!
But thanks for still thinking were an empire, it really brings a sense of pride to this old warriors heart ;)
large name, In ushuaia we have optical fiber several years ago (now we will export it to Pta Arenas in Chile), more of 10 daily flights in the best airport in the region, and in a couple of years we will be a WIFI city, in Malvinas they listen the AM of the military service, a weekly flight (on the verge of losing), And the Pinguin News like Alo Legislative Dictadure!. They are more similar to a communist place... Now, Malvinas=Cyprus Later, Malvinas=Cuba. very sad :(
Feb 20th, 2010 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nitrojuan,
Feb 21st, 2010 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you get it from? We listen to a choice of 2 local radio stationshere both FM one local and one civilian run but aimed for the services and their families.There is NO miltary radio station, TV most have up t0 11 or more channels by digital,fibre optic cables are used in business,we have had broadband for a few years now and soon to be nation wide,WIFI in many public areas,THREE International flights per week. and I suggest you folks think twice before you withdraw airspace for the weekly Lan flight as that is YOUR ONLY means of contact with the Islands - without that link no Argentine can visit unless they go to UK first, and none of your war dead families could visit their son/husband,s graves any more- is that what you want? Penguin News is totally editorially independent of the Government and the Legislature -like you we have a free press. Please show me where bans,blockades and economic warfare has made a democratic country give in to the aggressor in recent years?
nitrojuan, Don't you remember Argentina defaulted on $100B? That is why you had a brief recovery. The K's have mismanage the opportunity and are running out of $ and are now trying to steal the pitiful reserves to pay for their next campaign. Also trying to distract the undereducated population with nationalistic furor. UK is better prepared than last time but I am sure that harpy knows it's just empty campaign rhetoric.
Feb 21st, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry islander, that was FM not AM (in falklands.gov.fk says that one of it is from their base) and many WI.FI in public area, and a military airport with three interantional flights per week! Welcome to the First World !! Tomorow a LCD per habitant.. we have factories where make that, ahh and LCD is a wide TV. <br />
Feb 21st, 2010 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Batman, we are the most educated in Latam, perticulary, I can give the worse opinion about our President, but I can admire another things of her, that make inteligent people and not nationalism or closed minds like islanders non educated.
somos un pais joven recien tenemos 200 años y aun no terminamos de pelearnos entre nosotros
Feb 21st, 2010 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0las islas estan en nuestro corazon,no importa si tardamos 100,200 o 300
años mas en recuperarlas,sepanlo vamos a volver no importa cuando ni como,pero vamos avolver y nuestra bamdera flameara para siempre
Gustavo, nos falta muchos años para evolucionar a los argentinos (sacarnos el nacionalismo barato que algunos tienen) pero sabé que a los isleños les falta mas aun por falta de educación y por extremo nacionalismo, tal vez nosotros no lo veamos pero en varios años mas las recuperaremos, de eso quedate completamente seguro.
Feb 21st, 2010 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Desde Ushuaia te mando un abrazo.
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Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The population of the Falklands is 3000, the majority of whom are British settlers. Self determination doesn't apply to this scenario because the settlers were planted by the British to artificially influence the population makeup
Cian, London”
That is an absolute thruth... colonialism is at an end, and this is just an attempt by Gordon Brown to hit the jackpot in a casino... he's not very popular at all, so he wants the oil in the Argentina continental platform to prolong the Brits energy comfort... as the north sea reserves are diminishing rapidly.
Kelpers and others here seem to be convinced that it's finally your day! That London remembered you existed and it's time for population growth and development, maybe a College and a McDonalds right? HA!
This is just a political stunt, and a very irresponsible one at that...
Cheers
Map, settlers - sorry many of us have been more generations born in these islands than millions of Argentinians have in Argentina.Implanted - no more than 2/3rds of your coutry,s population who originated from Europe. Not only that our ancestors populated an empty land - not like yours who persecuted and drove out the natural rightfull indigenous population. Sorry mate we DO have the right of Self Determination as enshrined in the UN Charter on human rights.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0If there is any oil - Gordon brown does NOT get it - it is the property of the Falkland Islands Govt.
Colonialism is at an end - YEs I agree with you on this one. We ceased being a traditional “Colony” several decades ago. Falkland Islands has been planning-publically- this exploration phase for over a year - not a surprise - actually it is your side that is no making political stunts - and very irresponsible ones I agree with you again.
Nitro - glad we appear to have sorted the communications tecnical side - yes widescreen flat TV is all the rage here as well. You seem to have good ideas in Ushuaia - making high value goods that will stand the freight costs of getting them to the population centers to sell. Thats good business!
(# 45 ) yu very correct ,i'm a biology student who makes research
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0about “ exploiter creatures' behaviours ” as thesis ....for this reason that
i follow these forums..i don't care islands..but if there are some rodent
creatures at islands certainly i'll interested in .....
nitrojuan, any development in T de F and Ushuaia has been done on the back of money stolen from foreign investors by your government in 2001 and still not paid back. I hope you are going to agree a schedule of repayments for this. Dont forget that money invested in your country comes from the savings of ordinary people throughout the world. We don't owe you a living but you do owe us repayment.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nitrojuan, any development in T de F and Ushuaia has been done on the back of money stolen from foreign investors by your government in 2001 and still not paid back. I hope you are going to agree a schedule of repayments for this. Dont forget that money invested in your country comes from the savings of ordinary people throughout the world. We don't owe you a living but you do owe us repayment.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, well, well. Expat Kelper, all you say are nonsenses. First, my family has been here for almost 10000 years, or more. I have more rights that you, foreign invader. Get back the land that belongs to us. Second, the money that you, robbers, thieves and pirates have stolen by your occupation of stolen land its so much.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PD: I wrote this with in my indigenous home, with the help of Coco, my loyal monkey. Now I have to go to the city mounted in a horse, becouse we have no roads.
PD: If you comeback to Eurabia, be careful of muslims, they could be yours masters soon.
Pay attention all of you, this is not Kirchner policy to divert people's attention. In 2011, Kirchner will be gone and we'll have another goverment in 2015, 2019 and so on. All of them will claim Malvinas and you know why?????? Because it is the claim of argentine people and goverments reflect that.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Expat Kelper,
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tierra del Fuego has an university, high tech industry, and is visited by hundreds of thousands of turists every year.
Envy is bad.
Argie bargie. If the Islanders were so envious, why are they not trying to join you? Why do they resist becoming part of your apparently wonderful TDF province?
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JAR,<br />
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A particular affirmative is a minor premise and does not imply an universal statement.<br />
If you demonstrate it does; you may revolutionize the last 2300 years of western philosophy.<br />
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IOW, the opinion of one does not have to be the opinion of all.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mirad:
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i46.tinypic.com/29nvx2u.gif
Envy? Trust me you have nothing to envy.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But on the other foot.....
Archibald tiny brain is not processing to much information. Please understand him! He cannot think clearly due to his resentment after being years in argentine school. Apparently he had a hard experience. He was called “nerdy” or “freak” by his partners at the time.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hey ......kelpers estoy podrido de toda esta pelotudez de guerra por tierra que no la han de disfrutar nadie,ni estos boludos que estan escribiendo ni lo que los estan contestando.. el mundo se cae a pedazos y la gente se muere de hambre y todos en esta pagina se pelean por algo que únicamente lo arreglara la diplomacia y la inteligencia , que le parecen si arreglamos un encuentro sexual y terminamos aquí???es mucho mejor hacer el amor que la guerra se los digo por experiencia...saludo a todas las kelpers argentinas!!!!!!!!!
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( # 54) ves ! you are biology student who research on
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ exploiter creatures ” yea You are at the right place ..
you can choose who they are easily ...clue ! monarshic ones !!!!!
Did you find my questions too difficult to answer Argie Bargie?
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, he just didn't like the too obvious answer.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the hacker of Kelper:<br />
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Name: none<br />
Alias: Peluchin, kaker<br />
Age: 23 aprox.<br />
Nacionalidad: Chileno (chile)<br />
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I'm one of Taringa! Members, I'm not a hacker, but some T! members are hacking Penguin News. They want the Falkland Islands be of Argentina. Don't you believe me?:
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.taringa.net/comunidades/ownednews/
Remember, I'm not a hacker, but the members of the community are Hackers.
I congratulate the hackers! It was very funny.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I liked to listened to the Malvinas authem in pinguin-news site!
I talked about one man, never said the islanders as a whole though that.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Name: Shut your mouth up! ... and besides all, there wasn´t just one member who did this, was a whole comunity... The next hijack will be directly on the prospection platform´s comunication system...
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must do it with the official site of their so-called goverment, even though, I think they could put you in jail for that.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deberían hacerlo con sus paginas oficiales, aunque los podrían meter presos por eso.
Saludos
jorge, distract drunk monarcist kids...distract .! we trust y0u
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rule taringa and do it again peluchín1
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah right, Jorge, I apologise for saying your mum is a lovely thoughtful lady, I didn't realise it was an insult in Argentina. Clearly she is not a thoughtful lovely lady, I will never describe your mum as a thoughtful lovely lady.
Feb 22nd, 2010 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose we can look forward to a Jorge that never insults anyone in future.
You British pirates, opportunistic and invasive, believe themselves entitled to usurp Gibraltar, Hong Kong, the Falklands. Good lesson we gave in 1982. part of its fleet sinking and damaging the HMS invensible the point of hiding for a long time .... PIRATES OF SHIT ... WARMER PLACE TO HAVE THEIR FEET AN ARGENTINE .... IS ABOUT THE BELLY OF AN ENGLISH
Feb 23rd, 2010 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paracelso31, I am reluctant to take part in childish bad language and silly insults but you do need to get your facts right-HMS Invincible was never hit nor damaged in 1982 - she remained here at sea on patrol until about September until relieved. During this time a Spanish TV crew was even flown out to her by the military when they came to film the islands as they had been told you had sunk her! One day she came into Stanley harbour and anchored on the same spot where her ancestor-the battleship HMS Invincible anchored in 1914 after they defeated the german navy here.
Feb 23rd, 2010 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The point in the comment section was lost because this reached the mainstream Argentine internet users (a bunch of dumb kids)
Feb 23rd, 2010 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0To whoever owns & runs penguin news:: you did this. Shame on you, got owned by a bunch of kids.
Cheers
Islander, never knew a Spanish crew had visited Vinny in Port William. Which channel? Do you happen to remember?
Feb 23rd, 2010 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL at some of these comments by the Pro Argentinian side.
Feb 25th, 2010 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll tell you what. Brits are living there now. If you want them out so 'Argentina' can claim its legal and moral right to the Falklands, then we'll give you the islands, but first, ALL OF THE SPANISH DECENDENTS living in Argentina need to hand back the country to its indiginous population, and return to spain and portugal.
Once this act is completed, the British will hand over the Falklands to the remaining pure blooded Argentinian Indians (Assuming they actually want it) and leave them to visit it on their canoes.
Other than that, i cannot for one second see ANY legitimate claim the Argentinians can make over the Falklands. Can you claim it just because you are close to it? Can you claim it because you once owned it? If so, can we have the UN give Britain the USA back, and Australia, and about a dozen other places we populated during our time as an empire?
This is a silly debate over an island no Argie would give a second thought to under normal circumstances. You are all being conned by your failing president because he is desperate to attract your votes.
Wake up and smell what is really going on.
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