Wednesday, April 21st 2010 - 03:11 UTC

Argentina and Venezuela announce a “new world order of relationships”

Argentina’s President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner and Venezuela’s leader Hugo Chávez said “the new world requires a new logic to accept a new order of relationships” during a meeting held at the presidential palace of Miraflores in Caracas.

Mrs. Kirchner called for the union of South America

“We are very happy with how our bilateral relationship is proceeding” said Mrs. Kirchner who added that “in South America, we can see the changes of the new order and the new ways of linking countries with each other”.

Argentina and Venezuela signed 25 commerce and cooperation agreements in the framework of President Cristina Kirchner’s visit to Caracas for the Venezuelan bicentenary independence celebrations on Monday.

Mrs Kirchner activity in Caracas began Monday with an official agenda of rallies when she was received by Chávez, along with Cuba's Raúl Castro, Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega, and Bolivian president Evo Morales at the National Pantheon of Caracas, where the leaders made an offering to Venezuela's liberator Simón Bolivar.

Later on Monday, Mrs. Kirchner spoke before the Venezuelan National Assembly in Caracas, and said “my speech during this bicentennial [celebration] is an underserved honour” and added that “the ideas of liberty and equality don't have a nationality, they are universal values that have cut across history, not since 1810, but from before, because they are values that make the human condition.”

She added that “this bicentennial year finds the people of South America in a new stage of transformation that I call a second independence.”

According to Cristina, “ideas are instruments that aid the liberation of peoples and the construction of just and equal societies,” and she said that “ideas that can be shown as results transform into policies and acquire true dimension, that of cultural battles, of transforming history.”

The President compared the last 100 years of the region with the first, “which found us with the consolidation of republics in a model of division of labour, where we provided natural resources that were industrialized far away from these lands.”

She also highlighted that “the men of 1810 thought the exact opposite, because if one analyzes the economic thinking of Manuel Belgrano and Mariano Moreno, they spoke of generating richness in our own countries.”

“During the first 100 years the idea of the founders and liberators had been far removed from the concrete political practices of our societies and of those who had the institutional responsibility of leading our countries,” said the President.

On the other hand, “in this second century we are in a different world,” and she highlighted that “the last century was divided between the East-West contradiction that was imposed in our region by the fierce national security doctrine, which accounted for the disappearance of entire generations and the most formidable economic backwardness ever known.”

According to Mrs. Kirchner “it's necessary, before a world that has once again collapsed in values—such as free trade, that the Government should disappear, and that the market should resolve everything—that those of us who have the historic responsibility in South America to lead by democratic will the countries that we have been chosen to govern, should formulate our own categories of thinking.”

In this sense, she asked to “elaborate our own ideas in economic and political matters, and to interpret history and that which was left by the men of 1810, which was to achieve Latin American unity as a founding objective for the liberation of our peoples”.

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1 Bubba (#) Apr 21st, 2010 - 06:58 am Report abuse
Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off..
2 Christopher UK (#) Apr 21st, 2010 - 08:58 am Report abuse
When the plastic princess Kirchener talks of ”of transforming history.” what she really means is rewriting history!!!
3 LegionNi (#) Apr 21st, 2010 - 03:11 pm Report abuse
“Later on Monday, Mrs. Kirchner spoke before the Venezuelan National Assembly in Caracas, and said “my speech during this bicentennial [celebration] is an underserved honour” and added that “the ideas of liberty and equality don't have a nationality, they are universal values that have cut across history, not since 1810, but from before, because they are values that make the human condition.””

“Liberty” - “Equality” - “they are values that make the human condition” Fine words coming from somebody who would deny the Falkland Islanders these very same things Mrs Kirchner.
4 jorge! (#) Apr 21st, 2010 - 04:31 pm Report abuse
3. No one deny that to islanders, but they live in argentine land and must respect that, till that happens because it will happen, we will act to defend our interests. You will not be able to violate our rights forever, believe me!!!
5 LegionNi (#) Apr 22nd, 2010 - 07:45 am Report abuse
You really don't get it do you jorge. “Liberty” - Your own president uses the word without understanding it as you clearly don't.

“Liberty” meaning Freedom, Independance, emancipation etc.

Your government would deny them the freedom to chose there own destiny, it would deny them their independance. Your President speaks of Liberty but would deny it to others. She is nothing but a hypocrate.

The people of the islands have freely chosen their own destiny. They wish to remain under British sovereignty.

The islands are not and never have been Argentine.They will only ever will be Argentine when/if the people of the islands make the decision to become Argentine. They have the “Liberty”, “Freedom” to make that decision for themselves.
6 Idlehands (#) Apr 22nd, 2010 - 08:26 am Report abuse
Two nobodies on the world stage announce a new world order.

How nice.
7 atk357 (#) Apr 22nd, 2010 - 01:29 pm Report abuse
Well...she is acting as if “delusion” were a virtue! Creativity and insanity are separated by a very fine line!
8 jorge! (#) Apr 23rd, 2010 - 06:21 am Report abuse
“Liberty” meaning Freedom, Independance, emancipation etc.

That's what people in Malvinas had till you invaded, SOB!!!
9 LegionNi (#) Apr 23rd, 2010 - 07:34 am Report abuse
8 Jorge - ““Liberty” meaning Freedom, Independance, emancipation etc.

That's what people in Malvinas had till you invaded, SOB!!! ”

You can't invade what is already yours Jorge. We hadn't given up our sovereignty since we claimed the islands in the 1600's.

Vernet's PRIVATE venture which was given the go ahead after he asked our permission. When Argentina appointed him governor of land you did not own, Britain objected, then removed your military garrison from the islands in 1833, but gave the settlers the “LIBERTY” to decide if they wanted to stay, which all but a few did.
10 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Apr 23rd, 2010 - 10:02 am Report abuse
ha hah ha Jorge talks of rights that Argentina has to LAND? The same rights you had to patagonia, the Chacos?

if that is so then after 180 years, don't you think the Islanders have acquired some very strong titles to the land? I mean Argentina's 4 years inhabitation? Couldn't even get their own house in order and the colonists ran amok killed your own governor, started a war with the US, and were more than glad to leave the islands when offered, yeah that really sounds like people enjoying liberty freedom I don't know about emancipation since by my understanding Vernet and and other governors were appointed?

If the islands are yours, then why isn't the Argentine government able to apply legislation on them? It seems like they are very much not yours! welcome to the real world!
11 gdr (#) Apr 23rd, 2010 - 01:37 pm Report abuse
bubba ! here is not discussion place about your ass !!

christon ! as i said before that Cristina neither Queen nor Princess...
she is a President of an independent country !!
but i take yu as a person who knows all countries have kingdom !

idlehands !? is this your name or your comment about other
commentators ...but i guess you are very hardworker to payback
your country's debts ! on residual time .

legionerNi and Rhaurie( i don't guess he forgot his own language)
are the --los hombres libres-- at these comments serials !!
12 Hoytred (#) Apr 23rd, 2010 - 03:01 pm Report abuse
You've got to love that gdr .... whichever planet he's on :-)
13 jorge! (#) Apr 23rd, 2010 - 10:47 pm Report abuse
no no no y NO!!!!

Malvinas argentinas!!!!
14 Hoytred (#) Apr 24th, 2010 - 02:16 am Report abuse
Still confused jorgyboy?? It's YES,YES,YES and YES ... the Falkland Islands are British ..... I'll give you a clue - it's in the name ... now try and work it out there's a good lad :-)
15 avargas2001 (#) Apr 24th, 2010 - 03:39 pm Report abuse
This is for all the kelpers and british who think they deserve freedom, go back to the motherland as the people from Malvinas where forced to do by the pyrats that came from the british patch of dirt you call England, take your Kelpers home to mama and let them know that even if you stole land it isn't yours, we greant them the freedom to go back home.
16 J.A. Roberts (#) Apr 25th, 2010 - 09:33 am Report abuse
Port Desire is British y punto!

Vargas. Is that a Mapuche or Tehuleche name? No, it's Spanish, so stop telling the Falkland Islanders to go back to their “motherland”. You have no leg to stand on. You Argentines just look like idiots when you say stuff like that...
17 jorge! (#) Apr 25th, 2010 - 03:23 pm Report abuse
and you look like a f*cking pirate archibald!!!!!
18 J.A. Roberts (#) Apr 25th, 2010 - 06:22 pm Report abuse
I'd rather look like a pirate than be an idiot Jorgebobo. It's interesting how you have no counter argument other than a backhanded compliment. Is Vargas not Spanish? Am I not right?
19 jorge! (#) Apr 25th, 2010 - 07:47 pm Report abuse
It doesn't matter, when spaniards came here, there was people inhabiting this terretory. We are a mix from spaniards and indigenous, but islanders are f*cking implanted, they came to expell argentines and then brought more and more of the same crap. They are ARTIFICIALS!!!!!!!!!!
And half of the current inhabitants were born in Britain.

Get the hell out of there unwishables british!!!!
20 avargas2001 (#) Apr 25th, 2010 - 10:55 pm Report abuse
Robert, if I was told by Argentina or Canada to go home I would get my bags and go, aparently I am not a pest or a bother to anyone yet nor am I starting a war for any personal gains, now if you got on a boat to come across the ocean to steal from me I would tell you to get back in your boat and go home, I didn't say the people in Malvinas have to go home they are home if they have their Argentine passports, but I bid anything that none of them have any immigration papers, I am an Argentine in Canada and I had to do them and I never left my continent, what makes you think that British should have any rights, I wonder if racism is really dead or even imperialism for that matter.
21 JustinKuntz (#) Apr 26th, 2010 - 07:44 am Report abuse
avargas2001 are you Mapuche perchance?

No?

Descended from European immigrants to a land ripped from its indigenous people?

Yes?

So how do you have any rights over 9th and 10th generation Falkland Islanders?
22 J.A. Roberts (#) Apr 26th, 2010 - 09:22 am Report abuse
Vargas, you never answered the question. Is “Vargas” an indigenous South American name? I think it's Spanish, no? Correct me if I am wrong...
23 J.A. Roberts (#) Apr 26th, 2010 - 09:24 am Report abuse
No Jorgebobo, the Islanders are not “implanted”. They are descended from people who went there of their own free will, and some are even descended from those Buenos Aires civilians you claim were kicked off.

You just parrot the Argentine government lies, and all that does is make you look stupid.
24 JustinKuntz (#) Apr 26th, 2010 - 04:05 pm Report abuse
If they're “implanted” what is the vast majority of the population of Argentina? Oops, Argentina disappears in the logic of its own making.

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