Saturday, October 16th 2010 - 01:41 UTC

Chile to insist on extradition from Argentina of terrorist accused of crimes in democracy

Chilean president Sebastián Piñera's administration announced it has decided to file a formal complaint before the National Refugees' Committee (CONARE) as a way of deepening their discontent on the political asylum the body decided to grant to ex guerrilla fighter Sergio Galvarino Apablaza Guerra.

Guerrilla fighter Sergio Galvarino Apablaza Guerra

The Chilean government will tackle the CONARE move and is to request for the decision to be “reconsidered.” This way, Piñera's administration aims at reversing the situation and force Apablaza to be back in his country for him to be tried.

Chilean attorney Gustavo Gené will be in charge of filing the request, as he had been taking the lead in the case and preparing the outlines for the complaint.

The former member of the FPMR Manuel Rodríguez Patriotic Front is wanted by the Chilean justice system for allegedly murdering right-wing senator Jaime Guzmán and kidnapping media businessman Christian Edwards del Río, son of the owner of El Mercurio newspaper, in 1991, when Chile was back in democracy.

Apablaza, who insists he is the victim of political persecution in his native country, went to court to learn details about a request for detention that the Chilean State presented against him.

The former guerrilla leader agreed to not leave the country and present himself before the judge weekly. Bonadío is the same judge who led Apablaza's extradition trial in 2005, when he ruled against the request for extradition.

Mr. Apablaza is married to Paula Chain, who happens to be a member of President Cristina Kirchner press relations office at Government House (Casa Rosada) and usually accompanies the Argentine president whenever she travels overseas, the most recent trip was to Germany.
 

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1 briton (#) Oct 16th, 2010 - 10:53 pm Report abuse
WELL chile noes your chance, go get them boys,,go get them
2 xbarilox (#) Oct 17th, 2010 - 12:31 am Report abuse
@ briton #1 “WELL chile noes your chance, go get them boys, go get them?”
What is that supposed to mean?

Best wishes to Chilean government, it won't be easy guys :(
3 Sergio Vega (#) Oct 17th, 2010 - 02:07 pm Report abuse
How Mrs. K pretend to extradite the muslim terrorist from Iran claiming it at the UN General Meeting some weeks ago and by the other hand dennie the extradition of leftist terrorits to Chile ?
I hope if the CONARE don´t change it desition our Gvt. suit Argentina Gvt. befor international courts for itacts.
Fortunately, Mr. Piñera is getting clear who Mrs. K and husband are, so the distance with them will growth enough to don´t fall in their game as the Uruguayan president did.
4 briton (#) Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:01 pm Report abuse
well as I don’t condone violence, but if Chile feels she has-been insulted, then Argentina must be shown that she can no longer get away with insulting her neighbours
5 xbarilox (#) Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
@ briton # 4
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner insults everyone equaly, she can't stop doing it, so you're not unique. Therefore I tell you, do not worry, be happy!
6 Wireless (#) Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:38 pm Report abuse
There's flawed democracy in action if you ever saw it, a member of the Argentine Government Civil Service, with the ear of the botox queen, herself a corrupt politician, is married to a terrorist.

Argentine democracy is flawed if this is the type of candidate and government the average Argentine citizen has limited options to vote for in an election.

No wonder Argentina is always crying.
7 Rhaurie-Craughwell (#) Oct 17th, 2010 - 11:51 pm Report abuse
I wonder if an effective case could be made to extradite various Argentine leaders from the last 20 years to stand trial in the Falklands on the grounds of “crimes against democracy” based on the fact they repeatedly deny them a say in their future and even had the nerve to go and change the constitution in 1994 without their democratic consent, which reminds me ..... and they call us unilateral?
8 xbarilox (#) Oct 18th, 2010 - 01:02 am Report abuse
Rhaurie-Craughwell #7
Don't be such a drama queen. England is not exactly an example of justice and fairness, not exactly unimpeachable roflol
9 CheGuevara (#) Oct 18th, 2010 - 02:26 am Report abuse
Warmongering... nothing more.
10 Wireless (#) Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:04 am Report abuse
~7 Exactly how do you impeach a Home Nation of the United Kingdom?

~8 We're testing short range missiles, as we've tested twice yearly the same missiles for the last 28 years, missiles which have a range of six miles, yet you lot are buying armed Patrol Vessels with a range of hundreds of miles, and you have the cheek to tell us we're warmongering? Get a life!
11 Typhoon (#) Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
Hello Chile. Would you like some assistance from, say, the SAS. They could almost certainly snatch him for you, or turn him into a non-event.
12 Dassault Super Étendard (#) Oct 18th, 2010 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
11 Typhoon

Why don't you try it? Do you want to have a few SAS members dead by our special groups?. And I'm not talking about our military forces.

An example:

1.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupo_Especial_de_Operaciones_Federales_(Argentina)

2.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigada_Especial_Operativa_Halc%C3%B3n

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJ_zQQ4TGQ&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQtlfvsYGU&feature=related
13 stick up your junta (#) Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:28 pm Report abuse
@12
Love the high tec training Facilities was it your dads shed

SAS killing house
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvoGef_PfK4
14 fredbdc (#) Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:13 pm Report abuse
DSE, You think 75 Federal Police with negotiators can compete with SAS? Bahahahaa are you an old man who is trying to remember when Argentina actually had a Military? Seriously you obviously know how to use the internet, do some research! You newest fighters are so out of date they sell them on Ebay as collectors items. HAHAHA. You know I have actually seen Federal Police, when they are not taking bribes they are smoking and talking on their cell phones, they looked pretty lazy and untrained to me but what do I know.
15 Zethee (#) Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:53 pm Report abuse
“Do you want to have a few SAS members dead by our special groups?”

Yeah, the SAS are widely regarded as one of if not the best Special forces in the world.

Infact. The SAS have have a higher budget than the entire Argentine armed forces.
16 Hoytred (#) Oct 19th, 2010 - 06:49 am Report abuse
............. and it looks as though they're getting a massive increase in the Defence Review. Not certain the SBS would agree with your comment about SAS supremacy though :-)
17 Zethee (#) Oct 19th, 2010 - 09:44 pm Report abuse
Aye i agree, the SBS often get overlooked. But i've always thought that's something they rather enjoy.

Apparently they want to make the force much bigger. The Americans are very impressed with the SAS & SBS.
18 Dassault Super Étendard (#) Oct 20th, 2010 - 06:10 am Report abuse
Sticky
Let me clear you up something because unfortunately you don't have the ability to see and understand the things.

These training facilities, are built in that way so that the instructor can see how they develop the training. For that reason as you can see, there are maybe four or five instructors in the top of the facilities, to control the time and the way that the special groups develop the training mission.

See?: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJ_zQQ4TGQ&feature=related

Good video from the SAS, they perform counterterrorist missions too.BTW was your dad one of the terrorist killed by the SAS members in the video?

Fredy
Why don't you shut up mexican? They can do a better job more than your poor police forces who are being killed by the drugs dealer. By the way, how many policemen have been killed by smugglers this week? 15? 23?.

Other thing, don't you know that the GEOF constantly trains with special units of other countries like the FBI Hostage Rescue Team, the US Army Green Berets, the Israeli Yamam and numerous SWAT groups?.

Zethee
So why don't you try it? Instead of talking bullshit try it. I'm sick of warmongers. I say again: try it. If they have a higher budget than the entire Argentine armed forces why don't you try it?? Oh, I remember you don't have the balls to do it.

Just in case your boys try to do it, we will be expecting them.

Advice: Be well groomed. :-)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3xMEaUEPio&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-osgEOInC0g&feature=related
19 stick up your junta (#) Oct 20th, 2010 - 11:33 am Report abuse
These training facilities, are built in that way so that the instructor can see how they develop the training. For that reason as you can see, there are maybe four or five instructors in the top of the facilities, to control the time and the way that the special groups develop the training mission

In other words they dont have the budget to train other than in sheds,well if we get a hostages held captive in a shed,they are the boys to call

Nice vids
Snipers, good, bet the Argies can wait for a rifle that can kill 350 miles off

Well impressed with the Benny hill chase, Argie special needs soldiers at their best
20 Pheel (#) Oct 20th, 2010 - 12:22 pm Report abuse
I m surprised of the childish level of this post, as usual started from childish (or beasty) warmongers.
But an intervention from SAS should be welcomed...for two reasons:
1) an opportunity to “welcome” them, as DSE states.
2) example of colonialism, the roar around the world would be fantastic. Do it!
(in the negative side, the Kirchners would be reelected, as Old Thatcher was) :-(
21 Think (#) Oct 20th, 2010 - 03:36 pm Report abuse
Funny….

SAS
KSK
Légion étrangère
And many other so called ”Supermen”after him but………
Osama and his forty thieves keep riding towards the sunset in their trusted dromedars, Jolly Humper I to XLI...............

Old veteran Apablaza could easily defeat and capture alive a whole commando group of those elite European turnip sprouts using only a pair of his unwashed socks :-)
22 stick up your junta (#) Oct 20th, 2010 - 04:20 pm Report abuse
The defending force did not engage until the entire raiding party had re-grouped and were preparing to move out. One British soldier was hit and wounded while the raiding party returned fire using small arms and M203 grenade launchers, resulting in the death of the Argentine Commanding Officer (according to British assessments) and the suppression of any defensive effort.

The Argentine version states that their marines remained in shelters during the Glamorgan shelling, so they were unable to face the SAS in combat. The British wounded were the result of shrapnel from exploding charges settled by the Argentines under the airstrip in order to deny its use to the enemy. The blasts were triggered in the belief that the operation was a full-scale assault to take over the air base.

Argies must of used up all their stocks of unwashed socks,still no excuse thet had plenty of sh*t filled pants :-)
23 Typhoon (#) Oct 20th, 2010 - 06:45 pm Report abuse
@12 DSE

Don't be a silly little boy. The SAS wrote the book. And the addenda. and all the revisions.
24 Dassault Super Étendard (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 12:59 am Report abuse
So why don't you try it?. Explain me why don't you try it???

Perhaps Pheel's answer have hit a nerve.
”But an intervention from SAS should be welcomed...for two reasons:
1) an opportunity to “welcome” them, as DSE states.
2) example of colonialism, the roar around the world would be fantastic. Do it!
(in the negative side, the Kirchners would be reelected, as Old Thatcher was)”.
25 Zethee (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:14 pm Report abuse
“Good video from the SAS, they perform counterterrorist missions too”

Yes, the SAS are the ones who invented the majority of the worlds counterterrorism tactics and have at one point or another, trained 90% of the worlds special forces. Down to the “killing house” recreation that your youtube video shows to the stungrenade that is the staple of the worlds special forces. There isn't another special forces group in the world who's record of successfull operations is even half as long as the SAS.

“So why don't you try it? Instead of talking bullshit try it. I'm sick of warmongers. I say again: try it.”

Dumb question is dumb.
26 zethe (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:15 pm Report abuse
It's also another fact that the majority of the worlds special forces are modeled on the SAS from the creation of said units.
27 Think (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:23 pm Report abuse
Yeahhh..... Suuure....

But Osama and his forty thieves till ride towards the sunset in their trusted dromedars, Holly Humper I to XLI...............
28 Dassault Super Étendard (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:29 pm Report abuse
25 Zethee

Is that the best that you can do?. Your brain has been cloudy by the typical british fog. Wow man is a plague. Come on make an effort. Give me a valuable answer.

Oh I see you don't have it. And you started (and your tiny partners) to talk about a SAS operation in my country. 11 Typhoon: “Hello Chile. Would you like some assistance from, say, the SAS. They could almost certainly snatch him for you, or turn him into a non-event.”
29 zethe (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:32 pm Report abuse
“Come on make an effort. Give me a valuable answer.”

An answer to - So why don't you try it?

Answer me: Why should we try it?

Go to war and kill eachother over an internet debate. Dumb question WAS dumb.
30 Zethee (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:34 pm Report abuse
And it still doesn't change the fact that the SAS are widely regarded as the worlds best special forces group.
31 Dassault Super Étendard (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:49 pm Report abuse
So next time, tell your tiny friends that don't say stupid things and don't propose crap like this: 11 Typhoon: “Hello Chile. Would you like some assistance from, say, the SAS. They could almost certainly snatch him for you, or turn him into a non-event.”

You got schooled. :-)
32 Zethee (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
You skipped school?
33 stick up your junta (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:14 pm Report abuse
DSE
Goes to the special school
34 Dassault Super Étendard (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:56 pm Report abuse
This will be my last post in this article. Jaja see? both look so pathetic. Come on, insult me I don't care. Is typical from the british, when you confront their arguments and delete them (showing that they are wrong), they start to insult.

And them they say that we are the bullies.

So next time, tell your tiny friends that don't say stupid things and don't propose crap like this: 11 Typhoon: “Hello Chile. Would you like some assistance from, say, the SAS. They could almost certainly snatch him for you, or turn him into a non-event.”

You got schooled. :-)

Ps: I will wait for a phrase of THINK or Pheel.

Según el gran filósofo Diegus: La tienen adentro.

Saludos
El Dassault Super Étendard.
35 Zethee (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 09:07 pm Report abuse
”Come on, insult me I don't care. Is typical from the british, when you confront their arguments and delete them (showing that they are wrong), they start to insult.“

You never confronted my arguments, you thought that the SAS would be ”schooled“ by your SF. After i provided information proving otherwise you bypassed that fact, quoted someone else, then told me i got ”schooled” because i'm not moderating other british posters.

You was insulted because your post was stupid.
36 stick up your junta (#) Oct 21st, 2010 - 09:17 pm Report abuse
Alright DSE doesnt go to the special school,happy now?
37 Pheel (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 11:46 am Report abuse
About Jolly Jumper and riders: Dalton Bros. are already riding the chopper to the sunset, too!

They need a new source of money for filling the Big Hole. Rest of the World, red level alarm: they are looking for your resources as a source of financing, that´s has been their play for 500 years.

They will send “superior” special forces...survivors from Basra and Helmand “success”. (LTA, yes.)
38 Zethee (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 01:53 pm Report abuse
Survivors? Hardly any SAS have been killed in both iraq and arghanistan and they are doing 3-4 missions a day with amazing success.

Recently took out over 50 taliban commanders in two weeks.
39 Think (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 02:08 pm Report abuse
“Recently took out over 50 taliban commanders in two weeks”

That this number include Women and Children?................
Or is it only those bearded elderly elders......
40 Pheel (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
38 If they have not been killed as you say, they are supposedly “survivors”.

Too bloody for my taste to make jokes about your “successes”...too many deads...but, please, land on earth.

The compass is lost, your goals are as clear as they were in Basra, so the results. As a brit hi-diplomat analyzing Karzai: “we appear to be in the wrong side”. You will give up sooner or later and a bloodbath will come to the area, the same than in Irak.

SAS or SOS can´t change that.
41 stick up your junta (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:01 pm Report abuse
That this number include Women and Children?................
Or is it only those bearded elderly elders......

You Argies can give some advice on the matter
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB77/
42 Zethee (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:11 pm Report abuse
“That this number include Women and Children?”

If the Taliban are being commanded by 12 year olds then possibly.

“If they have not been killed as you say, they are supposedly “survivors”. ”

By that definition the six billion people on this world are all “survivors”.

“You will give up sooner or later and a bloodbath will come to the area, the same than in Irak.”

Yes, we will. Both invasions had planned withdrawals and we plan on leaving Afghanistan in 2015 after the afghan army is trained to defend themselves against the taliban.
43 Pheel (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
Britain suffered defeat in Iraq, says US general
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11419878

“The Americans decided to win. We decided to leave,” says retired senior British Gen Rob Fry.

Or believe what you want, it will not change reality.

Shame for the victims that you continue generating.
44 Zethee (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:33 pm Report abuse
People have oppinions.

Reality was that the withdrawal from iraq was planned for years. Our UN mandate had ran out. Those are the facts.
45 Pheel (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 05:39 pm Report abuse
A third (US Gen. Keane + UK Gen. Fry + this) “opinion”:

“I don't know that you could see the British withdrawal from Basra in 2007 in any light other than a defeat,”

says Col Peter Mansoor, who was executive officer to Gen David Petraeus, the US commander in Iraq.

Petraeus..Petraeus...sounds familiar.

Planning next withdrawal ?

Kidding just in order to mutual understatement of what is happening with last INVASIONS of independent countries.

Not a bit of reflection or self-criticism about the role that UK has to abandon in world affairs? Or is it OK?
46 Zethee (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 06:55 pm Report abuse
Don't get me wrong. In NO way was iraq a victory, i would never say that. it was a terrible mistake. We should have never been there and after we found no WMD's no-one wanted to be there, not the government, not the public.

A defeat, however it was not. By it's definition a military defeat is:
the ultimate acceptance of cessation of combat by an armed force brought on through exhaustion of the troops, complete loss of cohesion, lack of weapons and equipment, significant interruption of logistic support or loss of effective military command. It is usually followed by a surrender of forces to the victorious enemy.

This, did not happen.

I am, and always was against the occupation of iraq. Did we decide to leave Iraq? absolutely. Was we forced to leave iraq? no.

Afghanistan, however. I do not feel any remorse over. I was on the Piccadilly line line when that bomb went off, i was lead through the pitch black tunnel with people screaming and crying people covered in blood.

Are we eventually going to leave Afghanistan? Yes. Theres only so much one can do.
47 Think (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 07:24 pm Report abuse
(46) Zethee

Your personal moral justification for the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and its continued destruction till this day is that three British citizens of Pakistani ancestry and one Jamaican guy bombed the London tube in 2005 and you had to walk through a dark tunnel?
Is that it?
48 Zethee (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 07:37 pm Report abuse
Was you there?
49 zethe (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 07:45 pm Report abuse
That's my person reason, yes. it's not the entire reason as you full well know think, you aren't an idiot.

There citizenship is a null point, this is one of the easiest nations in the world to gain one.

The main point we went to war, as you full well know is because of the 9/11 bomings, which had a large ammount of british deaths also.

We've never allowed terrorism, and we never will.
50 Think (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 08:59 pm Report abuse
Young Man

Let me just ask you three questions…………

If you were a young democratic Argentinean lad in the 70’s ....
Which side would you have been on?...... The Military Dictatorship Government or the terrorists?

If you were a black young Southafrican lad in the 80’s ....
Which side would you have been on?.....The White Apartheid Government or the terrorists?

If you were a normal young Afghan lad today.....
Which side would you be on?..... The Karzai Puppet Government or the terrorists?
51 Zethee (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:35 pm Report abuse
it's going to have to wait a couple days, i'm under the influence of booze, will have to wait till sunday.
52 Think (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:49 pm Report abuse
A pitty
The booze had maybe loosen your brainwash a little and allowed you to answer from the hearth................
53 Zethee (#) Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:52 pm Report abuse
heart? always do, never been afraid to admit im wrong when i am.
54 zethe (#) Oct 23rd, 2010 - 01:35 am Report abuse
My mind controll is broken! why have you not asked any questions think?!
55 Zethee (#) Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:49 pm Report abuse
Now that i am slightly sober.

“If you were a young democratic Argentinean lad in the 70’s ....
Which side would you have been on?...... The Military Dictatorship Government or the terrorists?”

Was there a difference think, between either?

“If you were a normal young Afghan lad today.....
Which side would you be on?..... The Karzai Puppet Government or the terrorists?”

By terrorists you obviously mean our troops, fair enough.

What you are asking me is if i would prefer an armed force who provides aid and protection when possible over a force who is willing to mass rape, kill and rob anyone i know, a force who is more then willing to blow anyone up if it makes a point, a force who thinks it's right to openly kill civilians if they can make a point.

Was your question rhetorical?
56 zethe (#) Oct 24th, 2010 - 11:55 pm Report abuse
I think i misread your post, still a bit hungover.

“If you were a normal young Afghan lad today”
Well it would be a choise between a force giving you aid and trying to help you over the taliban who have a direct profit over these farmers and are happy to blow them up or shoot them.

Again, the answer is obvious.

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