Thursday, March 31st 2011 - 07:38 UTC

Chavez blasts alliance bombing Libya; signs agreements with Uruguay

Venezuela’s president Hugo Chavez said on Wednesday during a press conference in Montevideo that the Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi “is doing what has to be done, resisting an imperial aggression” and added that “it’s not anticipated that he has plans to leave Libya”.

The Uruguayan president and his Venezuelan peer during a press conference in Government House

“Whether we share or not what Gaddafi does or thinks, Fidel Castro has described it crystal clear: I don’t share what he proposes or does but you can’t respond for what he does in his country. As Pepe Mujica (Uruguayan president) was telling me this morning, not even if the president of a country is the worst scoundrel on earth can you justify that a group of countries begin bombing and killing innocent people in the name of peace”.

While criticizing the international coalition military intervention in Libya, Chavez said that the “empire” was after the resources of the North African country and “robbing it of its 200 billion US dollars in international reserves belonging to the Libyan people”.

“For some I am a tyrant for others even a murderer, but (US President) Obama is a Nobel Peace Prize, and he is ordering the bombings. The same in Iraq, Afghanistan, it was the government of the United States, and now Libya, that is how the world is going. An upside down world”, said Chavez.

When asked if Venezuela was prepared to give asylum to Gaddafi, if he so requests it, Chavez said he spoke twice with the Libyan leader and he has repeatedly stated “that he is not leaving Libya”.

Chavez repeated his proposal (from the very beginning of the conflict) to set up a peace commission to mediate between the opposition forces and Gaddafi's regime as an alternative to the military intervention.

Uruguayan president Jose Mujica defended the “peoples self determination” and underlined that for the Uruguayans it is a matter of principle “not to recognize anybody the right to intervene in another country”.

The Venezuelan leader arrived in Uruguay from Argentina and late evening left for the following leg of his tour of the region in Bolivia.

During his brief visit to Uruguay Chavez who is travelling with a numerous official delegation signed several trade, energy, agriculture and technology agreements.

The energy agreement includes Uruguay’s oil corporation Ancap participation in the development of so called ‘mature’ wells and forming part of the consortium that manages the tar sands of the Orinoco basin considered one of the world’s largest reserves.

More specifically on the bilateral relation, both presidents agreed to promote initiatives to deepen regional integration underlining that the Union of South American Nations (Unasur) must be built on a solid base.

”The organization (Unasur) needs to be “filled with content, to give it shape...as a mechanism of integration” said Chavez.

On his side Mujica urged the Paraguayan Congress to ratify the entry of Venezuela to the Common Market of the South (Mercosur).

Mujica said it is necessary that Venezuela, as an important ally of Uruguay, joins Mercosur in order to contribute to the partnership for the common good of all the countries.

 

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1 Idlehands (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:03 am Report abuse
“you can’t respond for what he does in his country”

This sums it up and gives the game away. It is not “his” country.
2 Forgetit87 (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:21 am Report abuse
It's not NATO's either.
3 yul (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:09 am Report abuse
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4 Idlehands (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 12:18 pm Report abuse
Have NATO claimed to own Libya then? I must have missed that.
5 Forgetit87 (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 12:24 pm Report abuse
Well, Gadaffi cannot attack the rebels in his country because it is actually not his country. But Nato can attack the Gadaffi forces in Libya. I was just following your reasoning.
6 Beef (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 01:04 pm Report abuse
The coalition enforcing the UN Security Council resolution has not killed any civilians which makes such a claim ridiculous. What we have done is prevent a slaughter of innocent people. I suppose Chavez think such a slaughter is acceptable.

What a nice man.
7 Idlehands (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 02:40 pm Report abuse
Your logic and reason have run away with you. I was simply pointing out the anomaly in the thinking that Libya somehow belongs to Gadaffi.
8 Marcos Alejandro (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 05:55 pm Report abuse
NATO, specially Britain and France are bombing Gaddafi to protect their oil deals and gain control over Libyan natural resources, they couldn't care less about the civilians, remember what the americans and Brits did to Iraqi civilians? . Not to mention that until a few weeks ago the British government love this dictator.
9 GeoffWard (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 07:42 pm Report abuse
”not even if the president of a country is the worst scoundrel on earth can you justify that a group of countries begin bombing and killing innocent people in the name of peace” (Mujica).

Is this really what you/people/Mujica/Chavez/Castro think?

Do you really believe that the United Nations Resolution said 'We create a no fly zone . . . but, shhhhh, the real reason is so we can go in there and kill innocent people in the name of peace'.

No, of course not.

But, as usual, it is politically important to locate all your heavy armament - that needed to put down the opposition to Gadaffi -
in school grounds,
next to the hospital A&E,
in the entrance hall of a mosque or church,
next to a treatment centre,
adjacent to foreign embassies,
behind a press hotel,
under a maternity wing,
etc, etc.

The politics of the game - learned from Hammas and Hizbulloh - is to GET PICTURES of collateral people injuries ('suffering' is much better footage than 'dead'), and to then franchise them worldwide via al Jazeera news network with the 'correct' spin and propaganda.

Or perhaps Mujica doesn't know this.
10 Think (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:44 pm Report abuse
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ib6wL55EoM&feature=related
11 Fido Dido (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:05 pm Report abuse
Some people here a born so dumb, you get tired of them explaining how brain dead they are.

franchise them worldwide via al Jazeera news network with the 'correct' spin and propaganda.

Al Jazeera + Qatar = US ally.

Why isn't their a “no fly zone” in Bahrain where they corrupt sunni royal tribe shoots on it's own people who are majority shia?

There is oil there to, but but but Bahrain + US = Ally for The fifth fleet.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Fifth_Fleet

Why does Patty Obozo gives weapons to the “unknown” rebels?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

Is mainstream media finally getting it's act together to stop the spin or just began to spin it more?
12 GeoffWard (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:16 pm Report abuse
#7: “I was simply pointing out the anomaly in the thinking that Libya somehow belongs to Gadaffi.”

Well, this is Arabic North Africa, where historically the countries REALLY DID belong to the ruler or warrior chief that was strong enough to win and hold them.

Gadaffi is one such warrior chief .

That seems an anomaly to 'The West', but it is the rule rather than the exception in the lands where warlords and dynasties of kings, sultans, etc have owned and ruled the physical land and its peoples since before Muhammad, ṣall Allahu ʿalayhi wa-’ālih.

The problem comes when the peoples of such countries/fiefdoms decide they want to live by 'Western' rules involving democracy.
13 briton (#) Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:43 pm Report abuse
You cannot defend the indefensible, of course people are saying [rightly]
why is not the west stopping other dictators from slaughtering its own people, and again we can all argue over that one, and oil will play some part in it, but if you are going to be sheriff then you have to stop all bad countries, not just the ones that you think you should help. as this is not fair on the innocent people of the countries that are not getting help.

But having said that, Britain even before this conflicted arose , had its own problems, and cutbacks, but of course no matter how poor you think you are, there’s always enough money in the kitty to do what politicians’ think we should do, all im saying is half the world thinks we are finished and the other halve think we are stupid to cut back so severely,
yet every time a problem crops up, they ask the British to help [among others]
perhaps we should have said, get on with it, and may the best man win, someone suggested today, that it would again be ironic if we again get military equipment to the rebels, and in a few years time they turn on us, and use them weapons again our troops, this guy quoted the west [including the UK ] arming afghan -Iraq -Iran -Somalia-quiet a few African countries, then years later they use them against either us, or other countries, but that’s only his opinion, mine is not far off, its an internal problem, and a Muslim problem at that,, let other Muslim countries step in and help them.
that just my opinion.
14 Fido Dido (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 01:58 am Report abuse
Uhmm, why did the Federal Reserve (a Private Bank) bailed out a Lybia owned bank?

www.zerohedge.com/article/fed-bailed-out-libya-owned-bank
15 GeoffWard (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 10:53 am Report abuse
We don't want to arm the people,
we don't want to intervene on the ground,
we want Ghaddafi to stop killing his people,
but we promise not to harm Gadhaffi and his family.

Some problems here - not least, collateral damage to civilians by having to protect the population from the air and from a distance.

Why not just ask Gadaffi to stop killing his people?

. . . . . . . . . . With the explicit understanding that, if he does not, he and his family will be killed - not stoned to death, but cleanly shot through the head.
All nice and civilised.

And it opens the way for free and fair elections with UN Observers - an election that Gadaffi may in fact win.
In which case we respect the wishes of the majority.

Pragmatic democracy in action.
16 Zethee (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 11:05 am Report abuse
“Why isn't their a “no fly zone” in Bahrain”

I'm no expert on Bahrain so feel free to correct me if im wrong. But as far as i know, He's not bombing civilians with fighter jets. What exactly would a no fly zone do?

Also isn't the whole reason the riots in Bahrain started because troops from UAE and Saudi Arabia turned up to help?

Would more foreign troops helpthe situation?

As for the libyan troops from al-Qaeda. It's not much of a shock. Same thing happened with lots of the IRA after the troubles. Joined the French foreign legion and are now fighting with the British troops they once fought against.
17 Fido Dido (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 12:20 pm Report abuse
He's not bombing civilians with fighter jets. What exactly would a no fly zone do?

Also isn't the whole reason the riots in Bahrain started because troops from UAE and Saudi Arabia turned up to help?

False, if you did your homework, you would understand that it's for the same reason like in Egypt or Tunesia, riots. People are uppressed by a corrupt royal dictator while the people are starving.

But it's leaders are also killing / shooting it's citizens (Where is the outcry for the “humanitarian” help..but oh wait..they are our ”allies..and yeah..also Saudi Arabia..right?
Get real, the whole thing doesn't make sense at all.
18 Zethee (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 03:02 pm Report abuse
So he's bombing his people, Because i've tried searching for some info on his fighter jets bombing civilians but i can't see to find anything do you have any links?

Ok, so the foreign troops aren't the root of the problem. Are they helping? If not how would us sending troops help?

If they are helping, How would us sending troops help further?

Both my questions are still valid and still stand. I fail to see how troops or even a no fly zone would help.
19 Fido Dido (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 06:53 pm Report abuse
How would us sending troops help further?

Won't help, but only would cost the broke tax payer in Europe and US more money.
QE1, QE2, created this crap, now see where it's going and Mr. Bernanke is already thinking about QE3 when QE2 ends in June.
20 Zethee (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 09:50 pm Report abuse
Fido, it seems awfully like you're avoding my questions.

“Both my questions are still valid and still stand. I fail to see how troops or even a no fly zone would help.”

Also you claimed how i was wrong about him boming his people, atleast you made no distiction between him bombing his people and the foreign troops in his country causing the problem.

Perhaps you could comment more on this, i'll gladly admit when im wrong. Will you?

You've still not answered the questions.
21 Fido Dido (#) Apr 01st, 2011 - 10:37 pm Report abuse
Zethee I did answered one of them that answer most of them and I answered one with a question if you can read.

Zethee, I DID NOT CLAIMED how you were wrong about him boming his people. Here you go again.

Zethee, troops on Libyan ground would be a mistake.
Why? NATO nations don't have the money and some are streched out in Afghanistan. They can afford it with the printing press on, but they won't do it, because for some it's almost election time, while the people are ANGRY (Austerity measures and food inflation if you do not believe the FED, but know they are full of shit)

Zethee, haven't you still figured out the NO FLY ZONE is complete BS?
And since when are you sooo concerned about the people in Libya, huh? watching to much BBC or ITV? Get real, I never cared, still don't because it's our business to be there, it's a civil war, it's THEIR civil war, we should not be there. Second, neither did you or do care. Of course you will type today..ohh of course, but those are poor people and bla bla bla.
Do your homework better and you'll find out yourself that's all about the oil and investments there. Again, why is the so called west quiet about YEMEN, BAHRAIN and find it great, but not a peep about Saudi Arabian troops who shooting on “protestors”. Isn't that strange that we don't hear anything about that in the news?..what about Ivory Coast..(oh wait, there is only coco there, but greedy Sarokozy said something about it, but not concreet if their will be FRENCH troops there..of course not)

Do your homework Zethee..stop playing video games.
22 Paulo_Sullivan (#) Apr 02nd, 2011 - 12:30 am Report abuse
Hello, My name is Paulo, from Sao Paulo, Brasil.
I have a question, what does this have to do with South America?
23 Fido Dido (#) Apr 02nd, 2011 - 01:30 am Report abuse
Oh Zethee, remember, no troops on Libya'n grounds..correct?
www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/05/rebels-capture-oil-port-pro-qaddafi-forces-defending-opposition-held-city/

but of course according to the papers it's only escort a “diplomatic team” that will talk with the rebels. who are those rebels again?
24 briton (#) Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:43 am Report abuse
Hello, My name is Paulo, from Sao Paulo, Brasil.
I have a question, what does this have to do with South America
Paulo_Sullivan //hi paulo
the answer is I have no idea,, welcome to the most least understandable blog in the world, its fame spreading by the day.
25 GeoffWard (#) Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:58 am Report abuse
Hi Paulo & Brit,
these are position statements from Uraguay and Venezuela - similar to those many made by S.A. countries on the recognition of Palestine.
Valid in a Mercopress press release listing, and worthy of blog comment.
26 Zethee (#) Apr 02nd, 2011 - 12:56 pm Report abuse
How would a no fly zone help in Bahrain?
27 briton (#) Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:19 pm Report abuse
Unless you have the resources and full support, then any no fly zone will soon come to an end, and that’s a fact, and as much as i hate to admit it, the UK has neither resources’ or sustained back up ,to last by herself,
28 RICO (#) Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:12 pm Report abuse
OK Bahrain doesn't use fighter planes & bombers against its civilian population but at least if NicoDin gets his no fly zone over Bahrain some civilian passenger jets might get shot down.

We all know Qadaffi likes to see civilian passenger jets downed - he even makes the terrorists who down them national heros.

If it pleases Qadaffi it will presumably please his allies and recipients of the Qadaffi Prize for Human Rights - Chavez (2004), Castro(1998) and NicoDin (2011).

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